WOW!! That is an incredibly risky move. With that said, I'm glad you didn't toast your Force. I'm also happy for you about the fact that not only did you manage not to destroy your machine while doing the upgrade, but the upgrade itself actually WORKED!!! I was surprised the machine gave no errors and read the new ram chip with ease and without any issues. Bravo!!! Superb job on that, for real!!!!! Now, come over and do my original MPC X and my Force. Do my new MPC KEY-37 too. I'd definitely love for that to have 4GBs of ram, especially as portable as it is. Akai could've done this themselves if they wanted to, and they know it too. They're all about money and profits, just like any other business. I'm not hating on Akai. They gotta make their money too. Perfect example: Providing an option for MPC X owners to upgrade their MPC X to MPC X SE specs would be of no benefit to Akai because it would hinder MPC X SE sales.
You da fuckin' man! I wish I knew how to do this. The Force is most definitely with you! I'll share it, but I also would like to see a follow-up video in the future. Thanks for risking your Force. Peace!
Great videos. Im going to upgrade my Live! You e got a good speaking voice. If you lean into the softness and chat through all of the details, you could even create an ASMR channel. All the best!
Nice video, thank you. It appears that whole board can be swapped out. Do you know the name or pin configuration of that socket. There are module boards out there with faster rockchip cpu's and more ram.. I can't figure out the name of that socket type.
Incredible! Thank you for taking the risk & doing the leg work here. Did you have to use a stencil to put solder balls on the new ram or does it come 'pre-balled' so to speak?
Are you offering this as a service? I really would like to upgrade one of my force machines. How do I contact you direct? Never mind found in the show notes. I like that you found newer chips. The automotive ones actually sound better for this platform since there’s only a heat shield and no other cooling in place.
@kentuckyfriedcaleb using a good hot air station, usually good ones run 200 to 300 USD. I have a quick but atten is also good. Add flux, heat up chip, remove chip, wick off excess, add new chip, add more flux if needed, and heat up till it bonds. Do a tap test to see if the chip moves slightly but stays in place.
"I have found newer chips that will work. These are named. MT41K512M16VRP-107 AIT:P MT41K512M16VRP-107 IT:P The only difference between the two is that AIT is made for automotive and IT is for industrial. automotive chips handle more heat but IT should be good enough. Your choice."
No, the SoM module uses the RK3288 CPU which the max addressable memory is 4GB. If Akai were to put out a next-gen product using the RK3588 then 32GB would be possible.
Is there a much higher RAM CHIP THAT COULD have been used than the generic 4G????More on the side of a 1TB .....PLEASE continue to enhance the FORCE....Thanks
No, there isn’t an option for that and if it was, it would possibly cost about $20,000. RAM (i.e., memory) is different from storage. RAM is used to run the OS, temporarily hold samples, and other miscellaneous OS stuff. The storage would be like SSD, flash drives, or SD cards. It is possible to get 1TB of storage currently, relatively cheap. But an equal amount of RAM, not so much. It’s other technical stuff to consider , like the MPC is ran off of a SBC with predetermined memory amounts. So probably anything more than 8gb RAM is probably not even offered for this particular SBC. Further, if the computer architecture is dated, the MPC OS might not even be able to handle anything more than 4gb RAM.
@@brianpinkins6218 if I'm not mistaken the 3288 which Akai uses is primitive, they need to be at the least 3588 ,Akai's is starving their Loyalist.....
Yes 4gb is as far as it will go. You could probably push it to 8gb or 16gb but it would be a waste of time and the OS would most likely not even handle it properly and thats assuming you can find the modules to push it that far.
Look at the datasheet for this SoC, 4GB is max as you would expect from a 32-bit system opensource.rock-chips.com/images/4/49/Rockchip_RK3288_Datasheet_V2.7-20191227.pdf (page 8)
WOW!! That is an incredibly risky move. With that said, I'm glad you didn't toast your Force. I'm also happy for you about the fact that not only did you manage not to destroy your machine while doing the upgrade, but the upgrade itself actually WORKED!!! I was surprised the machine gave no errors and read the new ram chip with ease and without any issues. Bravo!!! Superb job on that, for real!!!!!
Now, come over and do my original MPC X and my Force. Do my new MPC KEY-37 too. I'd definitely love for that to have 4GBs of ram, especially as portable as it is.
Akai could've done this themselves if they wanted to, and they know it too. They're all about money and profits, just like any other business. I'm not hating on Akai. They gotta make their money too.
Perfect example: Providing an option for MPC X owners to upgrade their MPC X to MPC X SE specs would be of no benefit to Akai because it would hinder MPC X SE sales.
Wow - you are the MAN!
You da fuckin' man!
I wish I knew how to do this.
The Force is most definitely with you!
I'll share it, but I also would like to see a follow-up video in the future.
Thanks for risking your Force.
Peace!
Sick. Kudos, man. You know your way around, thanks for proving this working.
Good music choice Id be anxious and scared if I did this to my FORCE as well.
This is madness. In the best way
Great videos. Im going to upgrade my Live!
You e got a good speaking voice. If you lean into the softness and chat through all of the details, you could even create an ASMR channel.
All the best!
Very well done.
What could be very nice would to to be able to put more than 8 plug-ins or audio tracks after this mod !
You can with mockba mod
@@grcomputertech4139 yep I use it too ;)
Did you notice also better overall navigation fluidity performances as well?
I’am looking that with X-Files theme in background 😅 AKAI should do something to facilitate the upgrade on all models and easily.
wow very neat...!!
and here i thought i was a genius for being able to install a 2TB SSD to my non modded Force hahaha
Very dope I wanna see 16 tho just for kicks
Nice video, thank you.
It appears that whole board can be swapped out. Do you know the name or pin configuration of that socket. There are module boards out there with faster rockchip cpu's and more ram.. I can't figure out the name of that socket type.
Standard MXM connector with dimension 82mm*60mm*4mm
wow!! great!!!
Incredible! Thank you for taking the risk & doing the leg work here. Did you have to use a stencil to put solder balls on the new ram or does it come 'pre-balled' so to speak?
They come pre balled
Very cool, but deep mod, couldn't do that on my own.
Akai should sell the upgrade kits
Nice. Now, if you could only replace the RK3288 with a RK3588.
32 bit architecture, only 4GB is addressed.
May the force be with you..... would.16 gig be pushing it ?
Yeah not possible.
Very cool! Thx to show it actually works! Do you think 8Gb is possiible? Are they any compatible RAM modules for that?
@@Abakhan only 4GB is compatible with the force.
What’s your angle with the music. I’m gonna have nightmares about a ram upgrade.😂
😆
Are you offering this as a service? I really would like to upgrade one of my force machines. How do I contact you direct? Never mind found in the show notes. I like that you found newer chips. The automotive ones actually sound better for this platform since there’s only a heat shield and no other cooling in place.
Mpcramupgrade.com
This is awesome what you charge for this?
220 + shipping
Please Akai :)
Force Mk2 !
Nice work. I was hoping for this. Could this be possible with Akai MPC key models. Is there a max of Ram?
Yes i just uploaded an mpc upgrade only 4gb is possible
Bro, Thanks for manual! Make this in Russia, worked!!!
You're welcome!
Urgh solder balls. I considered doing this until I saw them! Always have a bad time with them. But it didn't look too bad! Maybe I will...
Looks like you used a heat gun the melt the flux, solder wick to remove excess, then added some to reseat. Am I missing something?
@kentuckyfriedcaleb using a good hot air station, usually good ones run 200 to 300 USD. I have a quick but atten is also good. Add flux, heat up chip, remove chip, wick off excess, add new chip, add more flux if needed, and heat up till it bonds. Do a tap test to see if the chip moves slightly but stays in place.
what about 8gb though?
is this SoM off-the-shelf, or custom?
The SoM is off-the-shelf from Radxa but has custom firmware on it.
4-8GB in the LIVE ? 😮
4GB RAM looks to be the limit for this SoC as it’s 32-bit
Outdated hardware and software so its not possible to go above 4gb
what do you charge for this?
220 usd
whats the SMD memory you use? what model&
"I have found newer chips that will work. These are named.
MT41K512M16VRP-107 AIT:P
MT41K512M16VRP-107 IT:P
The only difference between the two is that AIT is made for automotive and IT is for industrial. automotive chips handle more heat but IT should be good enough. Your choice."
@@grcomputertech4139 thanks, bro
Is going beyond 4gb possible?
No, the SoM module uses the RK3288 CPU which the max addressable memory is 4GB. If Akai were to put out a next-gen product using the RK3588 then 32GB would be possible.
Is there a much higher RAM CHIP THAT COULD have been used than the generic 4G????More on the side of a 1TB .....PLEASE continue to enhance the FORCE....Thanks
No, there isn’t an option for that and if it was, it would possibly cost about $20,000. RAM (i.e., memory) is different from storage. RAM is used to run the OS, temporarily hold samples, and other miscellaneous OS stuff. The storage would be like SSD, flash drives, or SD cards. It is possible to get 1TB of storage currently, relatively cheap. But an equal amount of RAM, not so much. It’s other technical stuff to consider , like the MPC is ran off of a SBC with predetermined memory amounts. So probably anything more than 8gb RAM is probably not even offered for this particular SBC. Further, if the computer architecture is dated, the MPC OS might not even be able to handle anything more than 4gb RAM.
@@brianpinkins6218 if I'm not mistaken the 3288 which Akai uses is primitive, they need to be at the least 3588 ,Akai's is starving their Loyalist.....
Yes 4gb is as far as it will go. You could probably push it to 8gb or 16gb but it would be a waste of time and the OS would most likely not even handle it properly and thats assuming you can find the modules to push it that far.
Look at the datasheet for this SoC, 4GB is max as you would expect from a 32-bit system opensource.rock-chips.com/images/4/49/Rockchip_RK3288_Datasheet_V2.7-20191227.pdf (page 8)
Only 4gb is possible.
lol, sp16 8gigs but thats it. sp16 uses its ram as drive etc....
PS3 had 256MB of RAM yet ran full 3D games, then you're saying you need 8-16GB just to make some music? pathetic.
The Terminator 2 soundtrack was done on a Fairlight CMI with 14MB of RAM. Why do you think you need 8GB+?