@MrML4L Don't dream, if Akai had wanted to provide a RAM upgrade via a slotted SODIMM it would have been possible! When you are equipped to solder CMS and you master it, it's not very complicated!
While I'm technically savvy, I'll admit when it comes to teardowns like this and working with electronic components...just wow. You make it look like a simple-ish procedure but there's no way I'd be able to do that with my skills. Very impressive! From what I can tell about the parts, it looks like 4GB is the upper limit for the MPCs, right? Would be pretty cool to see how far one could push it.
@GR Computer Tech hi GR, did you had to modify the code, or the mpc software accept it without code intervention ? Thanks a lot in advance for your answer ;) Cheers from Belgium
So, no messing with. the bios anymore? Also great job, you give us mpc live 1 users hope! Please take my money. i Need to run in live setup two multi drums instances and three or more plugins..
Dope video you should charge people to upgrade their RAM you would make so much money. Or do a better explanation video of the Ram upgrade i see some people had questions
@@grcomputertech4139 well that red cable, on the breakout board does it just plug into a SATA connector or is it hardwired or a different type of connector? The only thing I’ve read about is some sort of. Empty IDC 21 pin connector inside the 37.
Great video, big up for your smd skills. I was looking for a version B of the whole radxa rock2 board but they're really discontinued. I wish I had a smd hot air gun.
Would this have an effect on the stability per chance? I definitely want to do this because I'm constantly running into RAM limitations in my live performance projects, I cant really afford a crash mid set on stage though :o. Thankfully Akai allows for streaming from disk now (FINALLY) so my longer samples don't have to take up nearly as much RAM but this would be such a game changer giving me more headroom for all the plugins! Thanks for Pioneering this, you're a total legend!
Oh also I just wanted to double check as well it looks like the chips you put in the description are 8gb? With the limit being 4gb is it just using only 4gb of the 8 then? Also only 1 chip needs to be replaced right?
Sadly not possible unless mpc makes a 64bit os and someone designs a custom rock2 som. You have a better chance of akai releasing something new or someone competing with akai with better 64 bit hardware.
Awsome video ... and a really great idea putting the upgrade on market 👌🏽.. just out of curiosity ..Do you think pushing it to 8gb is possible ? . I imagine they'll be plenty of people wanting this upgrade in MPC land 👍🏽👍🏽
@@grcomputertech4139 ahhh. Never mind .. 4gb is ample 😊👌🏽.. I'll be upgrading my old X to 4gb in near future no doubt .. thanks for clearing that up 👍🏽
Ok but 8 is already the maximum slots for internal plugins? If it wasn't the stage piano but another plugin could you exceed the 8 and do more plugins? or will it still be limited to 8 plugins? Is it possible for you to try 16gb would be more interesting.
Anything else you have to do after you’ve installed the 4new gigabit chips ?? The video looks like you just replaced the ram chips then put it back together and it worked??
Ok, the video is going too fast, , what did you do to remove the old memory chip and what did you do to install the new one.? Where can I buy the ram chips from ? Which chip did you replace. ? This video is a bit fast that is why I am asking. I don't want to make any wrong steps doing this upgrade. Do you have any instructions ?
People that have enough experience to do this can see exactly what is involved at this speed and can get an idea for how tricky it will be. If it isn't clear from this video, it's best to get somebody more experienced to do it.
Very nice! Just wondering, if the original Live 1 has 2GB ram, with 1GB used by the MPC software/linux etc (i.e. ~1GB free ram), changing to 4GB ram should treble, not double the available ram (i.e. now there should be 3GB free ram, with 1GB used by the software/linux). Shouldn't the test project be using around 28% after the ram upgrade? Have you tried installing on of the SSH modded firmwares so you can run some ram tests on this?
what location is the memory that you have to remove and replace i see similar chips. wish you would have zoomed out a bit so we can see the location better
Simply put no. Technically it can but not worth the hassle figuring that out cause it would most likely make the system unstable or it may not even read the 8gb
Is it possible to switch the sata connector to be able to use a M.2 NVME enclosure (B+M edge connector) for a modern nvme drive w/higher read write speeds?
If someone can figure out how to hook into the pci express lane of the thing and then make a pcb for that it can be possible. But the level of work it would require, no one would wanna get it done or do it themselves as it would be expensive. Assuming this thing can handle nvme speeds cause i believe it only uses a usb host like the poster above said.
Bro, how do I get in touch with you for this mod information? I have an electrician that can help me with the installation. I’m down here by Palm Beach. But he has a shop & everything he does my breadboards (mine) when I screw up my 2000 XL or something scratching my connections or something like that.😂 I could put some Tact switches in and then I can break the breadboard also! But no for real bro I want to get in touch with you. I want to do this to my MPC.
@@dh74254gb. All the modern MPC standalone decices are based on the same ARM 32-bit architecture which, in the hardware Akai uses, has a max ram of 4gb.
So it would take them 2-4 dollars more to double the memory on each of the devices. I do understand that when you're making a batch of 10 000 of them, it's a lot of money. But then again, is it . . really.
@@grcomputertech4139 Uhuh, OEM price is likely the same for both parts. Usually companies are looking to sell their stuff, as a result they don’t really care what the changes they do to their hardware does to the value of their old stuff. But, considering MPC is more of a studio rather than a live instrument, not sure if there actually is much benefit to be had from the extra ram. My MPC 1000 has 128mb and I’ve never ran out of it 🤷♂️😁
Hi, very well done and thanks for getting back on why it didn't work the first time. Is this the same MPC live you used last time? May I ask what temperature you are running on the nozzle, Diameter of nozzle and what brand or kind of flux you use. Would be great to know.
Yes it was the same mpc. I stay at about 380 to 400 Celcius for my second attempt i used a preheater but i dont think it helped much. Air i keep at the max for removal and for installation i lower it to about 70 until i see it move a little then turn air up to max to make sure its flowed into place and running circles around the chip to make sure i see it wiggle. I used amtech flux and as far as the nozzle not sure it just has to be wide enough to cover the majority of the chip. You can also remove the nozzle all together. Which i refrained from trying the second time due to being afraid that i would burn the cpu but if you put some kind of heatsink on cpu (I used a large 10 peso coin) then it would be ok.
@@grcomputertech4139 Wow, thanks for the great insights, I will sure need to practice a lot on scrap boards anyhow before I have the guts to go where you. Amazing to see what's possible though. 👍
@@grcomputertech4139could the os still use larger ram and use 4 out of say 16gb then in the future use more? I suspect the mpc x will get an OS mode which will really expand it's capabilities because that rockchip has already been well exceeded
Could you please post a link to buy the 1gb Ram chips you used? I am trying to look them up but can only find 8gb chip kits of 512mb kits Why would you post a 512mb chip if you say you used 1gb chips? Makes no sense.
Wouldn’t it be easier to contact the CPU board manufacturer to make a plug compatible board with the CPU, RAM and storage desired for a lot of a couple thousand for resale? I buy a couple….
I dont have that kinda money but i guess it could be possible. There would be contracts involved though. And seeing how there isnt high demand for this at the moment i dont see why risk buying thousands before knowing people will buy. Also there would have to be a way to get the original OS installed on the new modules. Plus again im not wealthy 😆
@grcomputertech4139 i think once word has spread that you have upgraded your mpc live to 4gb I'm sure alot of people would pay for something like this. I would do this before I did a black lion converter mod for sure! Great work by the way
As long as you dont blast hot air directly to cpu it will be fine. You can also add some heat resistant tape or a heatsink of some kind to suck up most the heat. I used a large 10 peso coin 😅
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You're wild for this, I opened the video thinking it was just a sodimm upgrade. No thank you!
@MrML4L Don't dream, if Akai had wanted to provide a RAM upgrade via a slotted SODIMM it would have been possible! When you are equipped to solder CMS and you master it, it's not very complicated!
@@sagea1107 it's rare for anyone to wanna flow new chips like that. Good on ya, I'm level or two below you on mods. Lol
Some real pc service should have no problem with it, no?
If they advertise PCB repair then yes I'd imagine so.
@@MrML4L 😂😂😂
Another phenomenal upgrade, man!
If he can do it they could've.
if he can do it we can do it too
Money is the reason
My palms got sweaty watching this haha. Very cool!
I was all in until he pulled out the heat gun! I'm good. This is not my laptop or desktop. Good job though. Subscribed!
😂 Me too. I said so far so good this is doable then he went out of my league 😂😂
You wild thumbs way up 👍
While I'm technically savvy, I'll admit when it comes to teardowns like this and working with electronic components...just wow. You make it look like a simple-ish procedure but there's no way I'd be able to do that with my skills. Very impressive!
From what I can tell about the parts, it looks like 4GB is the upper limit for the MPCs, right? Would be pretty cool to see how far one could push it.
4GB is the limit
@@grcomputertech4139 I had wondered, just commented on it thank you
@@grcomputertech4139 that answered my question.
Super impressionnant, vidéo super instructive, bravo c était courageux de votre part. Pari réussi
This is absolutely amazing, awesome skills. Is this possible at the Akai MPC One Plus?
so cool, nice skill to learn
Brilliant Work!
@GR Computer Tech hi GR, did you had to modify the code, or the mpc software accept it without code intervention ? Thanks a lot in advance for your answer ;) Cheers from Belgium
GOAT!!!!!
to bad I’m I don’t have the balls to try this lol
That's dope!! ❤❤
that's dope bro
So, no messing with. the bios anymore? Also great job, you give us mpc live 1 users hope! Please take my money. i Need to run in live setup two multi drums instances and three or more plugins..
Dope video you should charge people to upgrade their RAM you would make so much money. Or do a better explanation video of the Ram upgrade i see some people had questions
Im sure once demand is shown a lot of people will start offering this service. I offer this service at the moment but not seeing much demand.
@@grcomputertech4139where are you located. I’m interested
@@grcomputertech4139cont me in as a customer. 👍🏽 MPC One user
@@grcomputertech4139Dude how much and where is the link? 🤩
@@grcomputertech4139 How much do you charge?? I have a mpc live 2 and would like to get it upgraded asap??
Por qué no permiten expandirle la ram que a uno se le antoje? 😢
Top work 😎👍🔥
What does that SATA port connect to? I noticed that the MPC key 37 doesn’t have an expansion, but I’m wondering if it could be retrofitted
Maybe i could look into that if i ever get a hold of one.
@@grcomputertech4139 well that red cable, on the breakout board does it just plug into a SATA connector or is it hardwired or a different type of connector? The only thing I’ve read about is some sort of. Empty IDC 21 pin connector inside the 37.
Great video, big up for your smd skills. I was looking for a version B of the whole radxa rock2 board but they're really discontinued. I wish I had a smd hot air gun.
If I was able to find this board, would it be a drop in replacement? Or would I need to install some files to get it to work with the MPC?
So I liked and subscribed
Brilliant 🔥🔥🔥
you do this with a mpc x and your goated.
Might do a video if i ever get a hold of one but im certain this same upgrade can be applied to the mpc x as well.
@@grcomputertech4139 you can borrow mine 😂
Hmmm. Rk3588 + 32g ram would be quite nice. A Super X. With those specs it could run vst natively.
Muito bom obrigado. Très bien Merci.
Dude you rock
Would this have an effect on the stability per chance? I definitely want to do this because I'm constantly running into RAM limitations in my live performance projects, I cant really afford a crash mid set on stage though :o. Thankfully Akai allows for streaming from disk now (FINALLY) so my longer samples don't have to take up nearly as much RAM but this would be such a game changer giving me more headroom for all the plugins! Thanks for Pioneering this, you're a total legend!
Oh also I just wanted to double check as well it looks like the chips you put in the description are 8gb? With the limit being 4gb is it just using only 4gb of the 8 then? Also only 1 chip needs to be replaced right?
Ive performed live with this upgrade and no crashes.
Theyre 8Gbit chips not 8GB all 4 need replacing.
@@grcomputertech4139 you're awesome, thanks for the quick reply. Imma give it a shot this weekend, wish me luck 🤞
Would this work for Denon DJ players? It's same platform.
Quite possibly.
Just waiting for that RK3588 upgrade.
Sadly not possible unless mpc makes a 64bit os and someone designs a custom rock2 som. You have a better chance of akai releasing something new or someone competing with akai with better 64 bit hardware.
@@grcomputertech4139 Thanks for the insight. One of the sites I was looking at incorrectly listed the 3288 as 64-bit.
I wonder if you could upgrade ram on an m2 macbook air?
I'd be too nervous to attempt this
I was nervous too 😬
I really want to try this! Would I need solder balls for something like this??
Awsome video ... and a really great idea putting the upgrade on market 👌🏽.. just out of curiosity ..Do you think pushing it to 8gb is possible ? . I imagine they'll be plenty of people wanting this upgrade in MPC land 👍🏽👍🏽
8gb would not be read by the machine. I havent been able to find any chips for it that large either.
@@grcomputertech4139 ahhh. Never mind .. 4gb is ample 😊👌🏽.. I'll be upgrading my old X to 4gb in near future no doubt .. thanks for clearing that up 👍🏽
dude i watched your video closely and you actually used a heat gun very interesting.
Awesome!
Ok but 8 is already the maximum slots for internal plugins? If it wasn't the stage piano but another plugin could you exceed the 8 and do more plugins? or will it still be limited to 8 plugins? Is it possible for you to try 16gb would be more interesting.
16gb is not possible. You can bypass the 8 plugin limit if you have an akai force.
@@grcomputertech4139 I have the live 2... Wish they would just sell these ram chips.
Anything else you have to do after you’ve installed the 4new gigabit chips ?? The video looks like you just replaced the ram chips then put it back together and it worked??
Thats correct
Do the MPC ONE PLUS Next 🎉
✅ Gonna do it
Can you make it 8? 16? 32?
Great work!
one question. Even though 4gb is the limit, Are the Ram chips you are using 8gb?
The modules are 8gbit which equal to 1 gigabyte each.
awesome 👍
Ok, the video is going too fast, , what did you do to remove the old memory chip and what did you do to install the new one.? Where can I buy the ram chips from ? Which chip did you replace. ? This video is a bit fast that is why I am asking. I don't want to make any wrong steps doing this upgrade. Do you have any instructions ?
Looks like he's using a heat gun to remove the existing RAM chip.
Look in the description of the video for the chip types he used
Used a quick hot air station to install. Chips are in description. If you have no experience micro soldering, its it's best you hire someone.
People that have enough experience to do this can see exactly what is involved at this speed and can get an idea for how tricky it will be. If it isn't clear from this video, it's best to get somebody more experienced to do it.
I wonder if Akai would consider doing an upgrade
Maybe if they release a new product.
Looks dope, but I'm not bold enough to risk it lol
Try to do the same on Push3 please!, bigger battery and better processor 🙏🏾
Maybe if i ever own one ill experiment
How much for this service? Because I'm not doin that myself lol
220 USD plus shipping
Very nice! Just wondering, if the original Live 1 has 2GB ram, with 1GB used by the MPC software/linux etc (i.e. ~1GB free ram), changing to 4GB ram should treble, not double the available ram (i.e. now there should be 3GB free ram, with 1GB used by the software/linux). Shouldn't the test project be using around 28% after the ram upgrade? Have you tried installing on of the SSH modded firmwares so you can run some ram tests on this?
I dont think the os uses 1gb ram entirely as its always at below 10% when starting a new project.
what location is the memory that you have to remove and replace i see similar chips. wish you would have zoomed out a bit so we can see the location better
I zoom in on the ram chips. The ones labeled hynix theres 4 of them.
@@grcomputertech4139 ok so did you change four of them or a certain one of the four? thats my question
@@grcomputertech4139 ok so did you change four of them or a certain one of the four? thats my question
Wow tons of comments good job is it possible on the MPC one ?
Wow, not sure how I could find a technician in Australia that could do that.
Is there a way to get 64 gigs of memory on it like a laptop?
No only 4gb
i wonder if anyone has done an intermal battery mod for mpc one/+... :3
How do you know 4gb is the limit? Is it because there are no larger capacity chips with the same footprint?
Thats one problem but if you can find them then the operating system wont read the 8gb
Just bought a Key 37, is it basically the same for that too?
Yes indeed.
Bro i installed a 1tb in my liveII,shouldnt it recognize it in standalone?or only controller mode.THANKS GREAT VIDEO
I dont think so? Because its only acting as a controller for your daw on pc. But i dont own an mpc so cant be much help with that
You have to format it exfat first.
@@_thevaporz i did,it shows in controller mode
Hey @grcomputertech thanks for the vid.... so do I need to order 1 or 2 of these chips???
4
Can you do this on the Mpc X to bring it to par with the Mpc X se
Yes
Can you do this with the one plus?
Yes
Can this be done to an MPC One ?
Id also would like to know
Yes ill add some info in description
Can't the moc handle more ram?
Simply put no. Technically it can but not worth the hassle figuring that out cause it would most likely make the system unstable or it may not even read the 8gb
damn i need this for my keys 37!!! would be bless to go between X SE and 37 and not have to sweat bouncing plugs to audio
mpcramupgrade.com
awesome!!!! Did you have to tin the pads before flowing the new chips?
Nah i just wick them
I would like to upgrade my mpc live 2...how do I get in touch with you to get this service done? seriously
Contact@grcomputertech.com
Quick question the Ram Chips used on your Akai Force are????THANKS a whole lot....
The chips in the description of this video will work on all the current standalones. Including force
Where can I get this done?
My email is in the description
What happens if you put 16gb
Nothing. 16gb not supported.
@@grcomputertech4139 oh, thanks. What about 8?
Only 4gb is supported
Is it possible to switch the sata connector to be able to use a M.2 NVME enclosure (B+M edge connector) for a modern nvme drive w/higher read write speeds?
It would go to waste as the interface goes through a USB hub.
If someone can figure out how to hook into the pci express lane of the thing and then make a pcb for that it can be possible. But the level of work it would require, no one would wanna get it done or do it themselves as it would be expensive. Assuming this thing can handle nvme speeds cause i believe it only uses a usb host like the poster above said.
Hi,
Is there any soldering? I’m almost blind and I can’t see what you’re doing on the video!
Yes theres microsoldering involved
Bro, how do I get in touch with you for this mod information? I have an electrician that can help me with the installation. I’m down here by Palm Beach. But he has a shop & everything he does my breadboards (mine) when I screw up my 2000 XL or something scratching my connections or something like that.😂 I could put some Tact switches in and then I can break the breadboard also! But no for real bro I want to get in touch with you. I want to do this to my MPC.
Information is in the description. As well as my email if you need to contact me.
Is the ram u used 8gb? When I look online to order it I'm only finding the 8gb chip
No the chips are 1GB each but they label the chips by Gbits 8Gbits equals 1GB
@@grcomputertech4139 why not use 2GB each for 8GB total
Will this also work with the MPC Live I ?
Only if it also uses the same rock som module that the rest of the mpc line has. It would need to be opened to check.
Is it possible more than 4?
No
Why stop at just 4 gigs?
Because the OS won’t support any more
Yup only 4gb is supported since the hardware is outdated.
What is max you could put in original mpcX
@@dh7425 4gb
@@dh74254gb. All the modern MPC standalone decices are based on the same ARM 32-bit architecture which, in the hardware Akai uses, has a max ram of 4gb.
What about 8 or 16 gb?
Too much for the software to read
So it would take them 2-4 dollars more to double the memory on each of the devices. I do understand that when you're making a batch of 10 000 of them, it's a lot of money. But then again, is it . . really.
Im sure they can get a deal on bulk orders of ram they dont want to devalue their mpc x se, xl and keys 61 is my belief.
@@grcomputertech4139 Uhuh, OEM price is likely the same for both parts. Usually companies are looking to sell their stuff, as a result they don’t really care what the changes they do to their hardware does to the value of their old stuff. But, considering MPC is more of a studio rather than a live instrument, not sure if there actually is much benefit to be had from the extra ram. My MPC 1000 has 128mb and I’ve never ran out of it 🤷♂️😁
@@grcomputertech4139 facts
I would leave that to Lousi Rossmann.
Hi, very well done and thanks for getting back on why it didn't work the first time. Is this the same MPC live you used last time? May I ask what temperature you are running on the nozzle, Diameter of nozzle and what brand or kind of flux you use. Would be great to know.
Yes it was the same mpc. I stay at about 380 to 400 Celcius for my second attempt i used a preheater but i dont think it helped much. Air i keep at the max for removal and for installation i lower it to about 70 until i see it move a little then turn air up to max to make sure its flowed into place and running circles around the chip to make sure i see it wiggle. I used amtech flux and as far as the nozzle not sure it just has to be wide enough to cover the majority of the chip. You can also remove the nozzle all together. Which i refrained from trying the second time due to being afraid that i would burn the cpu but if you put some kind of heatsink on cpu (I used a large 10 peso coin) then it would be ok.
@@grcomputertech4139 Wow, thanks for the great insights, I will sure need to practice a lot on scrap boards anyhow before I have the guts to go where you. Amazing to see what's possible though. 👍
Will this work on the live 1?
In theory yes it should work
I’ll send you mines.
Can this work on the Key 37?
Yes
Can you do this for the MPC X, and how much would you charge?
Yes, shoot me an email, info in description.
It's possible to go up to 8GB?
Sadly no.
Chips and dip.
Will this work on the MPC Key 37?
Yes
@@grcomputertech4139What tools u used?
Very, interesting is 8 or more gigs possible?
Os wont read it
@@grcomputertech4139 hit me up on the details on you updating my MPC X
@@grcomputertech4139could the os still use larger ram and use 4 out of say 16gb then in the future use more? I suspect the mpc x will get an OS mode which will really expand it's capabilities because that rockchip has already been well exceeded
Can the MPC Key 61 ram be upgraded? I haven’t did nun that advanced to say I need it. I just would like to max it out.
Key 61 already has 4gb ram
You used 8gb chips? Because the ones you posted here are 8gb not 1gb.
They're 8Gbit, which is equal to 1Gigabyte each.
@@grcomputertech4139 just say then,
1 Gigabyte your confusing people that don't know how to do the conversion from bit to giga
Could you please post a link to buy the 1gb Ram chips you used? I am trying to look them up but can only find 8gb chip kits of 512mb kits
Why would you post a 512mb chip if you say you used 1gb chips? Makes no sense.
Ive explained this in the description
Cool, but impossible for my skill level. So when are you open for business😅
Check bio for info! 😁
@@grcomputertech4139 Oh Nice : )).
What that black guy say when someone can’t sing… It’s a no from me DOG !
There is no way for me to do that
Wouldn’t it be easier to contact the CPU board manufacturer to make a plug compatible board with the CPU, RAM and storage desired for a lot of a couple thousand for resale? I buy a couple….
I dont have that kinda money but i guess it could be possible. There would be contracts involved though. And seeing how there isnt high demand for this at the moment i dont see why risk buying thousands before knowing people will buy. Also there would have to be a way to get the original OS installed on the new modules. Plus again im not wealthy 😆
@grcomputertech4139 i think once word has spread that you have upgraded your mpc live to 4gb I'm sure alot of people would pay for something like this. I would do this before I did a black lion converter mod for sure! Great work by the way
Youre in business if you offer people to send you their ram block for upgrade for a fee ;)
I do offer this service, actually, but no clients as of yet.
@@grcomputertech4139 How does it work, do you have a website or similar? Im sure lots of MPC users are interested in this but is not aware of this ...
@@grcomputertech4139 how much do you charge for the service ?
@@grcomputertech4139 how much would it cost?
This is going to overheat your cpu man.
As long as you dont blast hot air directly to cpu it will be fine. You can also add some heat resistant tape or a heatsink of some kind to suck up most the heat. I used a large 10 peso coin 😅
It would cost them 25 cents to give you 4gb……😂😂😂 there lying to you…….
The MPC Live 2 should've come out with 6 gigs or 8 gigs ram. With the options to add more. But no, the fascist gatekeepers at Akai forbids it.🙄
Only way this would be possible is if they make the software 64bit and upgrade the cpu
🫨 this is crazy