The teacher even says “you’re not good enough yet” that implies that she believes Rachel will be good enough at some point but Rachel is too narcissistic to understand that.
I like how this season showed that the artistic world is really compatitive and a girl from Ohio who can sing really good may be average or even under average compared to what the world has to over. And then they invited her to the winter showcase (which was already bullshit IMO) AND let her win it. I know she had to go to the winter showcase for Kurt's story line, but still why let her win.
Unitech Software What she did was Brody was unbelievably childish but at the end of the day she was doing her job.She knew she had the potential. Cassandra knew exactly what life was like after her career ended and she didn't want the same thing to happen to Rachel, so she was extra hard because she knew she was a huge star.
First half of the comment is correct. Second half about Rachel isn’t. Yes in general Rachel is self centered but she didn’t realize Cassie had some faith in her not because she was narcissistic but because you can’t suddenly understand that when someone is only trying to bring you down publicly instead of offering you constructive criticism like they’re supposed to.
@@alexandrabrown068 Oh come on, even at the glee club, Rachel believed she deserved all the solos and would literally jump on their neck every time someone asked for the same thing or if Mr. Shue wanted to give it to someone else, just because she didn't like being reminded that she wasn't the only star in that room. She took it literally as a personal offense. No one can say any criticism to her without Rachel taking it the wrong way and if they do she makes faces as if they are physically punishing her. I agree, the attacks against her, like the bullying she suffered, may have made her more defensive and less tolerable with people when it came to something from the choir, but that does not mean that she has the right to believe herself better than others or wanting to trample them to get to the top (such as what she did to Sunshine, which is almost psychopathic) She cannot live closed in on herself all her life, without realizing that she is not as perfect as She believes, also she knows that she is in that class to learn, not to direct others or want to go over her teacher (and she should remember that she was very close to not being there) Also, we're talking about Rachel, isn't she supposed to know that no one there is going to treat her with silk gloves? and that they are going to try to squeeze their talents as far as they can? Did she go there without knowing how is the world of entertainment that she has been dreaming of for so many years or how hard it is?
@Theonetrackedmind Yeah but this is Glee. There wouldn't really be a point in this scene if there was no singing connected in some way shape or form. Either way that was just plain rude AND to a teacher.
Why is Rachel so narcissistic? She was told that she wasn’t good enough YET. She isn’t understanding that sometimes teachers HAVE to be harsh to get through to their students. They’re not being mean. They’re not pushing you down or being degrading. They’re opening your eyes.
Because her parents did not raise her so that she had self-criticism. Even her mother, Idina Menzel, told her that she was really, really good. How could she accept criticism from others other than a personal offense if the most important people in her life always treated her like a star without ever bothering to make her receptive to other points of view? That plus the fact that she considered herself the best voice of the glee club made her deaf to the comments that could get her out of her illusion. So Rachel never got better and just stagnated.
The only one who is mean without needing to be is my sixth grade teacher. One time I was the other side away from the gym and everything was echoing so I couldn’t understand her, then when I tried to do something she said I wasn’t listening! She has done other mean things that would take forever to say.
Because all throughout her childhood she was coddled, praised, and handed everything on a silver platter. In High School with the Glee club and Mr. Schue she could've gotten away with literal murder and still gotten the all the solos and suffer no consequences other than a scolding. This carried over into NYADA where she shouldn't have gotten in at all but Carmen took pity on her for fucking up her audition. The people in Rachel's life can't tell her no when it counts. She cries and/or gets vindictive when she doesn't get her way or when people tell her about herself. Hence why she can't handle people like Santana or Cassandra. She can barely handle people that simply don't have time for her BS (ie Carmen or Sidney)
Literally every time Rachel tries to prove that she’s some amazing dancer she ends up just walking around with all the background dancers carrying her lmao
Except that was actual choreography from Chicago. There was literally part of All That Jazz where Velma gets carried by the background dancers. While I agree that she wasn't a great dancer, she did the proper choreography lmao.
I'm currently rewatching Glee and noticing things binge watching it that you don't notice watching it week by week. My husband was in room when i watched this scene and I literally said same thing to him. Rachel never ever dances in any of the songs, except for a couple of basic moves. Im guessing its cause Lea can't dance. Instead they have everyone around her dancing, lots of face close ups and then pan the camera off her when it needs to be harder dancing, because they have to keep the illusion shes been doing dancing since she was 3. They do similar with Kurt also.
I agree. Although to put things in context, the teacher told her that she won't be good enough for the showcase, and we all know that Rachel is an amazing singer (despite her attitude). The teacher compared her dance ability to a really good dancer for the showcase when it actually can be any form of performance and as someone said once "But If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid"
Actually that makes sense, cause maybe she could be well trained during her childhood as she said in season 1, but It is here when she realised that there's people more talented/prepared or with more training.And it's a clear example of the real competition and hard work in the artistic world.
I cant help but notice that Cassandra does every single dance move that her background dancers do, but Rachel often stands in the center of her background dancers while they do dance moves
I found it ridiculous how rachel was supposed to be the “15 years trained in ballet and jazz” yet Lea was probably one of the worst dancers on the whole cast
@@anabarbosa5453 nah it’s because lea isn’t trained in dancing and the writers wrote her character to be this great dancer who can pull off moves lea the actor can not do herself so they just kinda set that dancing thing aside
I see your point. However this is just a show, and anyone who thinks that this is an actual representation of the theatre world is just fooling themselves.
I mean this is pretty unrealistic show for most part. I’m or saying all of it is but. They talk about how they have no money but yet have all these props for glee club and a costume for every number. Then they just yell hit it and the band knows the song. Yes they could have said something earlier but for every song? You gotta think past the thought of “is this realistic?”
Honestly, this is one of the scenes that really made me dislike Rachel. But I can't put all the blame on her. She was told she was amazing, the best singer in the school, and that no one could beat her. Shu coddled her. She didn't have to put in much effort for her to get the spotlight in McKinley. She was the Big Fish in a tiny pond, so once she got out into the ocean, she wasn't prepared for the sharks and whales. But thanks to Cassandra, instead of backing down and getting eaten, she adapted, and she grew teeth. She got brighter to scare off predators, and she refused to be fodder. Although, she was in the wrong during this. I was in a musical once, and if you stopped in the middle of practice, you were out. She needed to work on her stamina, and Cassandra was not there to coddle her. Cassy was there to make her better, and so that's what she did. Sure, she could have been nicer about it, but then it wouldn't have been as effective. Rachel is the kind of person that takes criticism as more of a challenge or a dare, than something upsetting.
Uncreative Name42 she was told that she was best grudgingly and had to work extra hard to get the spotlight because Mr.Schue gives it to anyone but Rachel during competition who was the star of the club
Uncreative Name42 She was BULLIED BY EVERYONE and constantly told she was shit. I don't know if we're were watching the same show. Everything she's gotten was because of disipline. The reason Rachel is acting this way towards her teacher is because she feels like she's being bullied like in high school.
Finally Rachel is being HUMBLED. She was so use to everyone telling her how talented she was that she got so big headed and did not work on her weaknesses.
She's very talented when it comes to singing and acting, but yes, she's not as good as a dancer compared to the other students in the dance class. However, even after this, when she won the showcase, she still did her Rachel thing and Kurt needed to beat her at singing🤣
Not really, it’s easy to see she is the better singer. That’s the attitude you HAVE to have as a performer or else you are certainly not going to survive the business.
@ツzhane’ No, it's as if you go to a class and fail and say "Well I'm a genius in this class, so no one believes it." You need to prove what you say, because you do not survive in a world just counting on your opinion, although this ridiculous series says otherwise (that's why they made Rachel succeed on Broadway even though she doesn't know how to dance well). There is a world of difference between being narcissistic (thinking like Rachel that your opinion is the only one that counts, because she is the best and that's it, although a qualified teacher with years of experience tries to make her learn something and she is just offended by that. ) and have self-confidence that is having faith in what you do, even having self-criticism.
@@alexandrabrown068 I'm late but, it's a literal dance class. Like bruh, is her voice gonna do the pirouettes for her? Yeah, her voice is good but if you're a literal trash person who's not willing to take any advice to better yourself just because you think you're "good already" is just plain narcissistic. Rachel's ambitious, yeah, that's the attitude you need to survive in the business, but she doesn't listen and that's what gets in the way of her dreams ._.
wig snatched Of course she danced. What I meant to express was that there are certain "levels" of dancing and what she did was really not impressive. If you go to a disco you'll see people swaying a bit on the dancefloor, tap left and right while maybe putting their hands up, that is called dancing too but no one would ever look at it as "wow you are a dancer". But good to know that my reference did not catch on so I hope my explanation helped a bit.
I support Cassandra, she was completely rational. At NYADA, the critically acclaimed best music theater college in New York, you should have enough stamina to progress through a dance class, without getting water despite dehydration.
I'm not exactly coming from theatre (though I performed once, but it wasn't a musical), but Kate Hudson's character was needed there. Cause her is the truth. I remember having to record perfectly a group of dancers in two takes. There were three of us camera operators. We couldn't take any longer than 15minutes, cause we would lose the perfect lightning on the roof. The dancers had almost no time between takes. Only to come back to their positions, and an extra 5 minutes to rehearse one move. It was everything we've gotten. We managed and it turned out amazing, but it was bloody hard
It’s awesome to see Kate perform this song when her mom performed it with Liza Minnelli in their special in 1980. It really comes full circle sometimes 🥺
Shes annoying as hell and did the most simple dance moves in the video. Shes not awful but the other dancers literally carried her throughout the scene or had her do some easy kick line moves.
@@hollisjo4023 it’s the way her character was written. They gave her a character that danced when the actress herself admitted she wasn’t a good dancer
She’s not a dancer though that’s why she literally said at the end you did teach me something. I’m not a great dancer and I’m wasting my time here when I could be perfecting my voice. She’s saying I’m a way better singer so I’m going to be the best singer. The other person might dance better but lots of people dance you can learn to dance it’s harder to learn singing. You have to have raw talent first and build on it.
#1 Rule in Theatre- DON'T ARGUE WITH THE DIRECTOR. If you have a complaint or side note regarding the overall success of the show- take it up with them personally. Suck it up, Rachel. Sidenote: Of course you think your better singer, since you hardly did any choreography that was collateral to Cassandra's; meaning you didn't exert yourself as much as she did.
Are you seriously saying that Kate Hudson is better than Lea Michele at singing? I mean Lea's annoying as piss most of the time but no-one can argue that the girl can sing.
Man, you do realize this is a show... It isn't always realistic. Haters gonna hate. If you don't like this, why watch it and comment hate on it? (You're a bitch.)
Jessica Francis, Catherine Zeta-Jones is the woman who performed “All That Jazz” in “Chicago” (2002). You should Google her and find her performance. You won’t be disappointed.
Hey kids! Just a friendly reminder: Back-talking to your teacher who's trying to make you tougher by criticizing your lack of stamina and your inability to take criticism isnt going to get you to Broadway.
what the hell is that student doing... the teacher's doing splits and singing and everything and all the student is doing is... walk. and she has the audacity to say she can keep up with the teacher lmao
@@undeniablybri9066 we're not talking about Lea were talking about Rachel and how she thought she could keep up when she should've listened to her teacher
@@barbiewasacommunist8061 Rachel is a good dancer, but the teacher is way better, Rachel mostly sings ballads and jazz during the show because that's what she's good at, while the pop dance songs usually went to Santana, Brittany, Blaine, Mike and even Mr. Shue, Mercedes, Kurt and Rachel aren't that great of dancers, but their voices are unique and wonderful
That's a common error. Now that I look at smaller scenes like this, I notice A LOT of continuity editing errors on Glee. So much so that I'm shocked no one in the studio corrected them
Amber Motley Different filming takes they edited together. Usually between takes they fix the actors hair and makeup and stuff so it can change based on how they edit different takes together. It’s usually different when characters are talking to each other because they can’t have a camera behind both of them at the same time
Rachel's 'dancing' wasn't even good compared to the teacher, and she's an okay singer, but not for this song, her voice is way too high for it. The teacher was better at singing and dancing in this. [But they both have nothing on Catherine Zeta-Jones]
@Wendel Brito oh, I checked and you are right. I always thought that she was a mezzo-soprano, because she has a very wide range and she always sings songs meant for mezzos Edit:I've always thought that she is a mezzo because she always sang mezzo's songs in glee. (Well, she sang a lot of songs, but a lot of them were mezzo's range. But it's true that sometimes she sang them in a higher key.
Her dancing wasn’t good because they gave Lea bad choreography on purpose for whatever reason. She’s definitely not an okay singer, she really is an amazing singer. Undeniable. And she’s definitely better than the teacher at singing. Her voice sounds fine for this song but it would’ve sounded better in her lower register like intended. There was probably compromise on the key to fit both Kate and Lea’s voice.
Alexandra Brown Leah has mentioned she is not a god dancer that’s why they have barely show her doing any choreography during the show but at this point they can’t deny it because they introduce Cassandra and the dance class so they always go safe and make her sing instead of dance
4:10 "No one else has to believe it. No one but me." What. No one else has to believe you're good? Professionally? In the entertainment industry? An industry where success is ENTIRELY dependent on other people believing your art is good enough that they spend money on it?
I think it was meant for as a self confidence and believe in yourself moment than a literal take. If you don’t believe in your own talent, who will? There are so many undiscovered gems and talents that you can’t always equate popularity with talent.
Yeah imagine if Rachel was some likable underdog who everyone bullied and no one believed was ever good enough for anything but she didn't care about anyone's opinion and made it on her own, and YOU will be one of the non-believers that gets astonished as she appears on billboards and magazines.
@@Threeleebird she wasn't dumb. She was smart in other ways. Rachel is delusional. She couldn't seem to pick up on the fact that just because she was the "best" in her area of OHIO, that doesn't exactly transfer to BROADWAY... at least not yet. She got into the school on the merit of her talent sure, but it's a SCHOOL, where you TRAIN and GET BETTER, not to already be the best which she never was. She was "trying" and "working hard" but clearly at a level that's not letting her catch up to the rest. Dance-wise everyone in the class was at an expert level and she was on beginner/intermediate. A single rep for an expert equals 10 reps for a beginner/intermediate level. That's the point Cassandra was trying to make. She's not good enough YET, but she will be if she put in at least twice the amount of effort she thought she was.
@@giacherubini249 if you don’t know who Kate Hudson is, you’ve been living under a rock. Or you are definitely too young 😆 Lea is talented. I can give her that. However, Kate is better in every way on this one. This song is not meant for her. Lea over, sings it, screams even and it hurts the performance of it.
Sean Smith I hear auto tune through his whole show... I know most of the actors can sing but they still meddle with the voice in studio I love Lea Michelle though saw her live
I really loved her character because she wasn’t afraid to tell Rachel the truth but they make it seem like she’s targeting her?? it’s called being a freshman in college, she’s literally there to learn tf
A teacher knows how to identify those students who want to learn to be better and those who believe they are better than others. And if Rachel wanted to learn, she would stop complaining so much and listen to the lessons her teacher tries to convey to her.
@@Lara-zb4ok Voice isn't the only thing that's important. Kate won this one. Her stage presence was absolutely fire and all I really wanted to see was her perform this song, rather than Lea sing it. It's Broadway. That's how it overall works. Lmao.
You know, they should have brought back Kate Hudson's character back for Season 6 beginning as somebody to encourage Rachel to get over her failed cancelled show. It would be a wonderful return of her character.
Mostly what she did was made it look like she was dancing, so that she could sing without losing her breath. Broadway stars have to be able to dance, but be able to keep up with signing ,so they dance as little as possible and let most of the set and the actual dancers do most of the theatrics.
Ballet comes in many forms and styles. Since Niyada is a 'Broadway' school it's preparing you for musical theatre. And in most shows character shoes are the go-to. They're using basic ballet steps and exercises but modified for character shoes. I'm sure they do some classes in jazz shoes, (point if they do that) and ballet shoes. And with the hair things, again since it isn't classical ballet their hair not tied back is okay.
I have a theory...just hear me out. What if the reason that not only did Rachel fight so hard to get solo's during Glee club was not only because she wanted to be in the spotlight 24/7, but because she wasn't as strong as a dancer as she was a singer? Think about it every episode for the past three seasons, she has boasted to everyone that she was a prodigy in both dancing and singing but not once did she actually show her dancing in it's prime, it was always her voice that she only wanted to showcase.
There's very specific Fosse choreography for this number, which they are not doing at all. Also it's a solo Velma song, not a duet. Are you talking about the outfits?
@@ljm792 They may be talking about how Velma never did a show without her sister, and it wasnt until her sisters' death that she was forced too. So, i think they're most likely hinting at her line in 'I can't do it alone' which was "Now you have to imagine this with two people. It's swell with two people".
@@ga_lexy Yep and even in the movie version we can see the number start with a spotlight for where Veronica's sister is supposed to be and also in the line "I'm no one's wife." Velma was married (briefly) so I think that line was meant to be sung by her sister
Completely different setting, but I had a teacher like that once. Torts. Georgetown Law School. Heidi Feldblum. One of the most brilliant lawyers I've ever known. She'd push and push, and question and challenge and pounce on any mistake you made. But it wasn't because she wanted you to lose. It was because she wanted to you to learn how to win. For whatever it's worth, I got an A+ in that class. And then won a whole lot of debates that really, really mattered. Thanks, teach. :-D
@Jazzy H I'm afraid you're incorrect. Kate Hudson is a far better dancer, but Lea Michele will always have the better voice which also means Rachel is the better singer. Not only is she just more vocally talented, her technique is better too. And who was the one on Broadway? Lea.
@Jazzy H There's a difference between what I am saying which is fact and an opinion. Lea has better technique, fact. Which literally makes her a better singer even if not by the sound of her voice, also fact. An opinion is stating that KH did better without even having any context as to how or why you think that.
@@someoneodd3329 Better is an opinion. I can have all the technique but my voice itself could still be crap. Therefore it doesn't automatically make me a better singer.
Being able to discuss events and emotional responses to TV shows has been shown to be as effective as counselling in the Americal journal of psychology. It creates a safe space for people to freely express their opinions about behaviours and characteristics without attacking or receiving retribution from any real people in their lives. So, discussing the scene passionately is actually very healthy.
For the teacher to be moving around and singing this good would've been an incredible feat and to still have amazing breath control. If you aren't really going to dance, sure your singing will be better and more focused.
dsc1906 its not just about sounding, Rachel simple didnt perform the piece. She is very limited and her stamina is lacking as well as her presences to command like Cassie did. Overall her performance was lacklustre.
Big Bossy point taken. Her performance definitely needs to improve if she were to be successful in NY and overall. I was just speaking on vocals alone, I think Rachel would outperform her.......Just straight up vocals. In the end of the clip, I think that is what Rachel was trying to say.
I always was mad at the teacher but rewatching the show and even just this scene, I think Rachel really needed this criticism. I almost feel like Cassandra is a foil character for Rachel and needed her to get better. She had never been shown much criticism of her performances (Sue aside) and in order to really improve, you have to believe you can get better than you already are.
Rachel is still a beginner in dancing while Cassandra is an advanced professional. Obviously Cassandra won if you’re talking about dancing. Singing, I would say either a tie or Rachel.
Rachel or either a tie???!!! Did you listen to them? Kate performance won singing and dancing and from every point of view. From my point of view Lea is overrated. There are a lot more good singers in Glee
Rachel said she had been going to ballet classes and dance lessons ever since she was a toddler which meant she was not a beginner and there was no excuse for her dancing to be so terrible
Okay, so when I was younger I remember thinking she owned this performance. Looking back and watching it now…yeahh. Her voice is amazing, we all already knew that though. Her saying “I’m just as good of a singer” she’s right, she’s a better singer, but this is a dance class. To be on Broadway for a long career you need to eventually know how to own a dance number or have good stage presence. Cassie may not have had as good of a voice but she was confident and her dancing was amazing and professional level and it was so much fun to watch her. Whereas with Rachel it was clear that she was mainly concerned with her voice and it kept her from reaching full potential. You could see it on her face, all she was thinking about was “I’ve got a better voice” and not “I am this character right now, I am confidence and flexible and sexy and I know how to own a dance routine”. She was just being plain old high school girl Rachel. She is a beautiful girl but sexiness is about confidence, just look at Santana, she knows she’s hot and has fantastic stage presence that is incredibly fascinating and entertaining to watch. Rachel is obviously still carrying insecurities from high school when she was never the hot girl and is now trying to cover it up with makeup and tiny outfits and professional dancers around her doing the real heavy lifting trying to distract from the fact that she isn’t doing much of anything. I remember when Santana did the Cold Hearted performance and you couldn’t take your eyes off of her, her energy and confidence were infectious. The problem with Rachel is not the way she looks, she’s very pretty, but she does not really believe in herself to be able to carry a performance with more than just her voice. In one of her vocal classes or in a musical like Funny Girl where there is little to no dancing or movement, she can rely on her strong voice and her true personality. But in a DANCE class that is trying to teach you how to tell a story with just your body, you have to be able to demand attention without saying/singing a word. That’s what Cassie was trying to teach her and that’s what Rachel was too stubborn and egotistical to learn. She got frustrated when she couldn’t use smoke and mirrors like she did all throughout high school and she through a fit and blamed it on her PROFESSIONAL PROFESSOR being jealous of her. She has never been told she didn’t have talent or that there were areas she was weak in because Mr. Shue spent so much time kissing her ass and making her think she was better than everyone so when she got into the real world and no one was all that impressed by a girl that can sing (which is a dime a dozen) she was butt hurt about it. Santana is the full package because not only is her voice strong but she demands to be noticed, she is confident that she could carry a performance herself and even if she is in a group she is the one everyone will stare at. Rachel makes you feel things when she is singing her heart out, but so does Santana. Santana can also make you feel things and understand what she is saying by dancing and moving, Rachel can’t do that. She could have learned to if she had been patient and humble and listened to her advisors but she freaked out and ran away. She’d rather live in delusion believing there is nothing imperfect about her talent than to admit she needs to work. The one thing I constantly see when people talk about Rachel is how she had an amazing voice but all of her performances were the same (just stand there and sing and sob) so they skipped them when she’d perform. It’s funny, people used to call Mercedes lazy for not wanting to work on her performances and her craft until it was perfect and all she’d do is stand there and belt and have crazy runs and riffs, but Rachel gave up as soon as she received criticism from someone who knows what they are talking about. Mercedes still had a way of entertaining without having intricate dances.
The way she squatted at 3:57 is a testament to how she's really not cut out for dancing and performance. That squat was in no way sexy or elegant, any other way of getting down would be better than that atrocity. If it was anyone else like Brittany or Santana, they would've full on done the splits.
Am I the only one who truly thinks that Rachel wouldn’t stop for a water break? I mean, she won her first vocal and dance competitions since she was an actual baby.
1 of the best performances of the season. I know a lot of people hate Rachel in this but I like her attitude. Of course I hate that she says the platypus but I love Rachel’s response. Like “same song and dance, different school, how dull/cliche.” But yes KH dances very well and LM is a great singer. They play to their strengths. I love the competition here. And yeah-Cassandra is clearly annoyed but I think she actually enjoys their spats. Rachel doesn’t realize she’s helping her usually until right after every spat. And here’s the thing Rachel Berry is gorgeous. She’s not traditional blonde hair, blue eyes “American or Nazi Germany look” she’s unique. Her skin tone is stunning. Cheekbones, muscles, eyes....LM is damn attractive. Also I really wish she and KH danced together more. Their “I hate you but want your approval” has some undertones.
cassandra was honestly a pretty good teacher. maybe a little mean but she was honestly just trying to humble rachel and prepare her for the real world unlike mr. schuester who coddled her. and cassandra really did see rachel’s talent and potential and tried to make her work to better herself but rachel couldn’t put her pride and her ego aside
cassie was being a teacher. she literally was tough on rachel because she saw the talent rachel had and wanted to break her in this space instead of breaking how cassie broke down and ruined her career. cassie had weird methods but she definitely was a good teacher
If you have a dance teacher you don’t like, work hard, get good, move on, don’t keep communication. Even if they aren’t nice, they are talented and use that to your advantage. Don’t throw a fit during class in real life ever. You are better than no one during class until you are told so. So leave entitlement at the door. Seems like stuff I wouldn’t have to say but you’d be shocked
Ms. July knew that Rachel is good she always knew it. She was extra hard on her because she wanted to make her perfect because she knew she'll be a huge star and wanted to make her flawless.
Is Kate Hudson a professional dancer? Cause she’s incredible ( Lea is very good too but I personally think that Kate is a better dancer and Lea a better singer)
I never seen Rachel do one dance move or take one dance class in all the seasons of Glee up until this point and we're supposed to believe she's gotten good LMAO!
Rachel changed in college. In the early high school seasons, she had a treadmill in her bedroom. She spent hours every day practicing her skillset on her own while being bullied online and at school. But here she is being trained by professional performers who want her to be her best and she isn't working nearly as hard and acts like she's being victimized because she can't handle criticism.
It really says something about your work ethic if you've been doing any athletic activity for THREE months and still haven't built your stamina to where it should be.
This is why Rachel getting a Tony award in the last episode was just laughable to me. She was spoiled and coddled in Lima, always being told how amazing she was and that she was a star. When she got to New York she refused to take feedback and criticism from Carmen and Cassandra and had a major tantrum because she wasn’t being told what she wanted hear: that she’s perfect, talented and a star. Someone like this would NEVER make it on Broadway, one bad review or professional feedback and Rachel would have had a total meltdown 🙄
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The teacher even says “you’re not good enough yet” that implies that she believes Rachel will be good enough at some point but Rachel is too narcissistic to understand that.
I like how this season showed that the artistic world is really compatitive and a girl from Ohio who can sing really good may be average or even under average compared to what the world has to over. And then they invited her to the winter showcase (which was already bullshit IMO) AND let her win it. I know she had to go to the winter showcase for Kurt's story line, but still why let her win.
Unitech Software What she did was Brody was unbelievably childish but at the end of the day she was doing her job.She knew she had the potential. Cassandra knew exactly what life was like after her career ended and she didn't want the same thing to happen to Rachel, so she was extra hard because she knew she was a huge star.
First half of the comment is correct. Second half about Rachel isn’t. Yes in general Rachel is self centered but she didn’t realize Cassie had some faith in her not because she was narcissistic but because you can’t suddenly understand that when someone is only trying to bring you down publicly instead of offering you constructive criticism like they’re supposed to.
@@alexandrabrown068 Oh come on, even at the glee club, Rachel believed she deserved all the solos and would literally jump on their neck every time someone asked for the same thing or if Mr. Shue wanted to give it to someone else, just because she didn't like being reminded that she wasn't the only star in that room. She took it literally as a personal offense. No one can say any criticism to her without Rachel taking it the wrong way and if they do she makes faces as if they are physically punishing her. I agree, the attacks against her, like the bullying she suffered, may have made her more defensive and less tolerable with people when it came to something from the choir, but that does not mean that she has the right to believe herself better than others or wanting to trample them to get to the top (such as what she did to Sunshine, which is almost psychopathic) She cannot live closed in on herself all her life, without realizing that she is not as perfect as She believes, also she knows that she is in that class to learn, not to direct others or want to go over her teacher (and she should remember that she was very close to not being there)
Also, we're talking about Rachel, isn't she supposed to know that no one there is going to treat her with silk gloves? and that they are going to try to squeeze their talents as far as they can?
Did she go there without knowing how is the world of entertainment that she has been dreaming of for so many years or how hard it is?
My God that’s such a good pickup!
"But I'm just as good of a singer" Sweetie this is a dance class not choir 😄
@Theonetrackedmind Yeah but this is Glee. There wouldn't really be a point in this scene if there was no singing connected in some way shape or form. Either way that was just plain rude AND to a teacher.
@@cccccrm4 yeah but rachel quit in the end along with others
rachel, this is target.
ASMR Chubby Friendly won’t necessarily land her a spot on broadway
Anti-climactic Climax exactly
Why is Rachel so narcissistic? She was told that she wasn’t good enough YET. She isn’t understanding that sometimes teachers HAVE to be harsh to get through to their students. They’re not being mean. They’re not pushing you down or being degrading. They’re opening your eyes.
Because her parents did not raise her so that she had self-criticism. Even her mother, Idina Menzel, told her that she was really, really good. How could she accept criticism from others other than a personal offense if the most important people in her life always treated her like a star without ever bothering to make her receptive to other points of view? That plus the fact that she considered herself the best voice of the glee club made her deaf to the comments that could get her out of her illusion. So Rachel never got better and just stagnated.
The only one who is mean without needing to be is my sixth grade teacher. One time I was the other side away from the gym and everything was echoing so I couldn’t understand her, then when I tried to do something she said I wasn’t listening! She has done other mean things that would take forever to say.
DapperJazz she isn’t narcissistic.
@@liuliu4333 Yes, she really is. A lot.
Because all throughout her childhood she was coddled, praised, and handed everything on a silver platter. In High School with the Glee club and Mr. Schue she could've gotten away with literal murder and still gotten the all the solos and suffer no consequences other than a scolding. This carried over into NYADA where she shouldn't have gotten in at all but Carmen took pity on her for fucking up her audition.
The people in Rachel's life can't tell her no when it counts. She cries and/or gets vindictive when she doesn't get her way or when people tell her about herself. Hence why she can't handle people like Santana or Cassandra. She can barely handle people that simply don't have time for her BS (ie Carmen or Sidney)
Literally every time Rachel tries to prove that she’s some amazing dancer she ends up just walking around with all the background dancers carrying her lmao
😂 so true I-
Its funny cus Kate was carrying more time than Lea
She literally doesn't move while she sings I see no improvement lol
Except that was actual choreography from Chicago. There was literally part of All That Jazz where Velma gets carried by the background dancers. While I agree that she wasn't a great dancer, she did the proper choreography lmao.
I'm currently rewatching Glee and noticing things binge watching it that you don't notice watching it week by week. My husband was in room when i watched this scene and I literally said same thing to him. Rachel never ever dances in any of the songs, except for a couple of basic moves. Im guessing its cause Lea can't dance. Instead they have everyone around her dancing, lots of face close ups and then pan the camera off her when it needs to be harder dancing, because they have to keep the illusion shes been doing dancing since she was 3.
They do similar with Kurt also.
The teacher: **twirls and makes pirouettes all over the dance hall**
Rachel: 🤙
HAHHAHA YES
Lmaoo yess
I do not get tired of this comment.
This comment is criminally underrated I can’t stop laughing
-💀💀
“I may not be as good a dancer as you, but I’m just as good a singer”
this is a _dance_ class rachel😃😃😃😃
She's actually just a textbook narcissist in clown college at this point
I agree. Although to put things in context, the teacher told her that she won't be good enough for the showcase, and we all know that Rachel is an amazing singer (despite her attitude). The teacher compared her dance ability to a really good dancer for the showcase when it actually can be any form of performance and as someone said once "But If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid"
Not enough people have liked this.
@@jamesjett6218not enough people hate you
Is funny how in season 1 Rachel always talked about how she was super trained in ballet and won many competitions and in season 4 she did this...
Juanimond YT that’s what I’m thinking I was like I thought you won your first dance competition at like three months or something
Actually that makes sense, cause maybe she could be well trained during her childhood as she said in season 1, but It is here when she realised that there's people more talented/prepared or with more training.And it's a clear example of the real competition and hard work in the artistic world.
it was LIma OH training
that's all true, Rachel is really really good, but Cassandra is just better
thats just the writers being inconsistent again lol
I cant help but notice that Cassandra does every single dance move that her background dancers do, but Rachel often stands in the center of her background dancers while they do dance moves
which is why she came at her and danced with her individually
@@cjdees6798 a pro gamer move
The good old park and bark
Kate Hudson has an excellent voice, she sang her part impressively.
I mean it sounded HEAVILY autotuned
@@C87-q9j Rachel sound extremely auto tuned herself
@@C87-q9j have you heard the actual studio version?
Is she singing?
@@harmony3395yes
I found it ridiculous how rachel was supposed to be the “15 years trained in ballet and jazz” yet Lea was probably one of the worst dancers on the whole cast
Even Artie puts more effort into moving than Rachel. And he has to use twice his strength for his chair and still does it better than her.
That's why it took 15 years... ahahhaha
Time doesn't say it all about your dance skills, but sometimes a year is already enough to overcome a decade.
@@anabarbosa5453 nah it’s because lea isn’t trained in dancing and the writers wrote her character to be this great dancer who can pull off moves lea the actor can not do herself so they just kinda set that dancing thing aside
lea was on broadway so ig she has to have somewhat of basic dance skills but yeah it's so inconsistent of the writers lol
@@chungleanne2690 Yeah I thought so too, aren't Broadway performers supposed to be competent at dancing and singing and acting simultaneously?
No real musical theatre student would EVER talk like this to a (dance) teacher. And NO teacher would let anyone talk like this.
I see your point. However this is just a show, and anyone who thinks that this is an actual representation of the theatre world is just fooling themselves.
BaybyCaykes lol preach, my cousin did theatre school and said no one talked to their teacher like that, but the teacher wasn’t a rat so... hahahhahaha
I mean this is pretty unrealistic show for most part. I’m or saying all of it is but. They talk about how they have no money but yet have all these props for glee club and a costume for every number. Then they just yell hit it and the band knows the song. Yes they could have said something earlier but for every song? You gotta think past the thought of “is this realistic?”
But no theatre teacher is actually like that to a freshmen. Yeah they can be tough but Cassandra is such a caricature.
@@aeris44 agreed. Theatre folks have some sort of line!
Honestly, this is one of the scenes that really made me dislike Rachel. But I can't put all the blame on her. She was told she was amazing, the best singer in the school, and that no one could beat her. Shu coddled her. She didn't have to put in much effort for her to get the spotlight in McKinley. She was the Big Fish in a tiny pond, so once she got out into the ocean, she wasn't prepared for the sharks and whales. But thanks to Cassandra, instead of backing down and getting eaten, she adapted, and she grew teeth. She got brighter to scare off predators, and she refused to be fodder.
Although, she was in the wrong during this. I was in a musical once, and if you stopped in the middle of practice, you were out. She needed to work on her stamina, and Cassandra was not there to coddle her. Cassy was there to make her better, and so that's what she did. Sure, she could have been nicer about it, but then it wouldn't have been as effective. Rachel is the kind of person that takes criticism as more of a challenge or a dare, than something upsetting.
Uncreative Name42 she was told that she was best grudgingly and had to work extra hard to get the spotlight because Mr.Schue gives it to anyone but Rachel during competition who was the star of the club
Uncreative Name42 She was BULLIED BY EVERYONE and constantly told she was shit. I don't know if we're were watching the same show. Everything she's gotten was because of disipline. The reason Rachel is acting this way towards her teacher is because she feels like she's being bullied like in high school.
Uncreative Name42 stfu honey, you don’t even know what the hell you are talking about
She was told to be like that. 😂😂
cammie you need to calm down my guy, taking this to seriously
here to cleanse my ears after the riverdale version
V ❤️
V OMG SAME
V YESSSSSSS
V me too it’s horrible un Riverdale
Riverdale version?????????
Please no
Finally Rachel is being HUMBLED. She was so use to everyone telling her how talented she was that she got so big headed and did not work on her weaknesses.
She's very talented when it comes to singing and acting, but yes, she's not as good as a dancer compared to the other students in the dance class. However, even after this, when she won the showcase, she still did her Rachel thing and Kurt needed to beat her at singing🤣
0:40 respect to those extras, their reaction to Rachel starting to say how she's dehydrated & trying is very realistic
"There's a big difference between self confidence and delusion"
"No one has to believe it, no one except me"
Literally just proven she's delusional
Not really, it’s easy to see she is the better singer. That’s the attitude you HAVE to have as a performer or else you are certainly not going to survive the business.
Nicki Tyler lol you’re stupid if you believe that
@ツzhane’ No, it's as if you go to a class and fail and say "Well I'm a genius in this class, so no one believes it." You need to prove what you say, because you do not survive in a world just counting on your opinion, although this ridiculous series says otherwise (that's why they made Rachel succeed on Broadway even though she doesn't know how to dance well). There is a world of difference between being narcissistic (thinking like Rachel that your opinion is the only one that counts, because she is the best and that's it, although a qualified teacher with years of experience tries to make her learn something and she is just offended by that. ) and have self-confidence that is having faith in what you do, even having self-criticism.
@@alexandrabrown068 I'm late but, it's a literal dance class. Like bruh, is her voice gonna do the pirouettes for her? Yeah, her voice is good but if you're a literal trash person who's not willing to take any advice to better yourself just because you think you're "good already" is just plain narcissistic. Rachel's ambitious, yeah, that's the attitude you need to survive in the business, but she doesn't listen and that's what gets in the way of her dreams ._.
@@suburbia0verture237 it's for the winter show~~
can we talk about how rachel did no actual dancing? oh my god
Clearly you never watched properly
wig snatched She didn’t. What she did is moving but not dancing.
@@Kikiricki11 "what she did was moving not dancing" that's a lot of sense there. I believe she did dance
wig snatched Of course she danced. What I meant to express was that there are certain "levels" of dancing and what she did was really not impressive.
If you go to a disco you'll see people swaying a bit on the dancefloor, tap left and right while maybe putting their hands up, that is called dancing too but no one would ever look at it as "wow you are a dancer".
But good to know that my reference did not catch on so I hope my explanation helped a bit.
@@Kikiricki11 Lols it did thanks. She did dance but what you're saying, not to the song properly
I support Cassandra, she was completely rational. At NYADA, the critically acclaimed best music theater college in New York, you should have enough stamina to progress through a dance class, without getting water despite dehydration.
It’s called drama AND it’s a tv show!
Coming from Theater I actually understand where Kate Hudson’s character is coming from.
Patricia Villegas So did I, but Cassandra is an exaggerated character.
I'm not exactly coming from theatre (though I performed once, but it wasn't a musical), but Kate Hudson's character was needed there. Cause her is the truth. I remember having to record perfectly a group of dancers in two takes. There were three of us camera operators. We couldn't take any longer than 15minutes, cause we would lose the perfect lightning on the roof. The dancers had almost no time between takes. Only to come back to their positions, and an extra 5 minutes to rehearse one move. It was everything we've gotten. We managed and it turned out amazing, but it was bloody hard
I am a dancer and a singer and Cassandra July was absolutely right with what she said to Rachel
It’s awesome to see Kate perform this song when her mom performed it with Liza Minnelli in their special in 1980. It really comes full circle sometimes 🥺
4:01 girl this is a DANCE class, who cares how good of a singer you are
Yes keep that camera moving so we cannot see how bad Rachel is.
dontchu dare hate on my rachel
Shes annoying as hell and did the most simple dance moves in the video. Shes not awful but the other dancers literally carried her throughout the scene or had her do some easy kick line moves.
I think its the contrary bc it look like she did great mouvement when we see only a little
@@hollisjo4023 it’s the way her character was written. They gave her a character that danced when the actress herself admitted she wasn’t a good dancer
Sinshon
Anyone else find it super satisfying to see Rachel be DESTROYED by Cassandra??
Edit (13.06.2020) - 1.8k?!?!
Yep! I hate Rachel so much so I was so happy when Cassandra destroyed her in season 4😍
Emi :3 but Rachel turned out to win a Tony, something she couldn't do ;)
Emi :3 Cassandra is horrible
Um no, Rachel is amazing, tf.
Nah Cassandra's a bitch
rachel didnt even dance wtf
Jessica Deneen she moved, not danced. She looks like someone who’s naturally good at “dancing” (dancing for fun) not dancing like a Broadway star
they both didn't dance tbh
She’s not a dancer though that’s why she literally said at the end you did teach me something. I’m not a great dancer and I’m wasting my time here when I could be perfecting my voice. She’s saying I’m a way better singer so I’m going to be the best singer. The other person might dance better but lots of people dance you can learn to dance it’s harder to learn singing. You have to have raw talent first and build on it.
She did at the beginning when they started singing all that jazz
Jessica Deneen well not really, if you consider what she did “dancing” than you clearly don’t know what dancing is
#1 Rule in Theatre- DON'T ARGUE WITH THE DIRECTOR.
If you have a complaint or side note regarding the overall success of the show- take it up with them personally. Suck it up, Rachel.
Sidenote: Of course you think your better singer, since you hardly did any choreography that was collateral to Cassandra's; meaning you didn't exert yourself as much as she did.
Ora Wolfgram * snap snap *
this is a tv show
Are you seriously saying that Kate Hudson is better than Lea Michele at singing? I mean Lea's annoying as piss most of the time but no-one can argue that the girl can sing.
Man, you do realize this is a show... It isn't always realistic.
Haters gonna hate. If you don't like this, why watch it and comment hate on it?
(You're a bitch.)
iconictvmoments you mean Rachel? Bc lea isn’t really like Rachel
They both did great, but Catherine Zeta-Jones could beat them both, blind-folded and wearing snowshoes!
Professor Pyne obvious
Professor Pyne who the hell is that
Jessica Francis, Catherine Zeta-Jones is the woman who performed “All That Jazz” in “Chicago” (2002). You should Google her and find her performance. You won’t be disappointed.
They say that Catherine was pregnant during the shooting of the film. She wasn't!
flowercy17 even if she was, she still nailed it
Hey kids! Just a friendly reminder: Back-talking to your teacher who's trying to make you tougher by criticizing your lack of stamina and your inability to take criticism isnt going to get you to Broadway.
No serious teacher should behave like this
Absolutely right Martin
what the hell is that student doing... the teacher's doing splits and singing and everything and all the student is doing is... walk. and she has the audacity to say she can keep up with the teacher lmao
Leah isn’t a dancer she’s a singer that’s why her part of the choreography wasn’t extreme just basics.
@@undeniablybri9066 it's a dance class?
@@undeniablybri9066 we're not talking about Lea were talking about Rachel and how she thought she could keep up when she should've listened to her teacher
@@barbiewasacommunist8061 Rachel is a good dancer, but the teacher is way better, Rachel mostly sings ballads and jazz during the show because that's what she's good at, while the pop dance songs usually went to Santana, Brittany, Blaine, Mike and even Mr. Shue, Mercedes, Kurt and Rachel aren't that great of dancers, but their voices are unique and wonderful
@@matheusmenezescordeiro8431 ok why are you telling me what I already know??
anyone else noticed how rachels hair always changed depending on the camera perspective? hahaha
That's a common error. Now that I look at smaller scenes like this, I notice A LOT of continuity editing errors on Glee. So much so that I'm shocked no one in the studio corrected them
How did her hair change?
Amber Motley Different filming takes they edited together. Usually between takes they fix the actors hair and makeup and stuff so it can change based on how they edit different takes together. It’s usually different when characters are talking to each other because they can’t have a camera behind both of them at the same time
juliaa oh shit it's bothering me
juliaa continuity
Kate Hudson is truly a gifted actress and singer!
Rachel's 'dancing' wasn't even good compared to the teacher, and she's an okay singer, but not for this song, her voice is way too high for it. The teacher was better at singing and dancing in this. [But they both have nothing on Catherine Zeta-Jones]
The ‘teacher’ is Kate Hudson of course she’s good
@@stacysmom3825 she is a good singer, but this song is meant to be for a contralto, and Rachel (and lea) is a mezzosoprano.
@Wendel Brito oh, I checked and you are right. I always thought that she was a mezzo-soprano, because she has a very wide range and she always sings songs meant for mezzos
Edit:I've always thought that she is a mezzo because she always sang mezzo's songs in glee. (Well, she sang a lot of songs, but a lot of them were mezzo's range. But it's true that sometimes she sang them in a higher key.
Her dancing wasn’t good because they gave Lea bad choreography on purpose for whatever reason. She’s definitely not an okay singer, she really is an amazing singer. Undeniable. And she’s definitely better than the teacher at singing. Her voice sounds fine for this song but it would’ve sounded better in her lower register like intended. There was probably compromise on the key to fit both Kate and Lea’s voice.
Alexandra Brown Leah has mentioned she is not a god dancer that’s why they have barely show her doing any choreography during the show but at this point they can’t deny it because they introduce Cassandra and the dance class so they always go safe and make her sing instead of dance
4:10 "No one else has to believe it. No one but me." What. No one else has to believe you're good? Professionally? In the entertainment industry? An industry where success is ENTIRELY dependent on other people believing your art is good enough that they spend money on it?
And we thought Brittany was dumb.
I think it was meant for as a self confidence and believe in yourself moment than a literal take. If you don’t believe in your own talent, who will? There are so many undiscovered gems and talents that you can’t always equate popularity with talent.
Yeah imagine if Rachel was some likable underdog who everyone bullied and no one believed was ever good enough for anything but she didn't care about anyone's opinion and made it on her own, and YOU will be one of the non-believers that gets astonished as she appears on billboards and magazines.
@@Threeleebird she wasn't dumb. She was smart in other ways.
Rachel is delusional. She couldn't seem to pick up on the fact that just because she was the "best" in her area of OHIO, that doesn't exactly transfer to BROADWAY... at least not yet. She got into the school on the merit of her talent sure, but it's a SCHOOL, where you TRAIN and GET BETTER, not to already be the best which she never was. She was "trying" and "working hard" but clearly at a level that's not letting her catch up to the rest.
Dance-wise everyone in the class was at an expert level and she was on beginner/intermediate. A single rep for an expert equals 10 reps for a beginner/intermediate level. That's the point Cassandra was trying to make. She's not good enough YET, but she will be if she put in at least twice the amount of effort she thought she was.
Kate Hudson is amazing in this.
kaemincha who’s thta
Way better than Lea. Much more!
@@jalenarango4145who’s Kate Hudson are you kidding do you know anything?!
@@giacherubini249 if you don’t know who Kate Hudson is, you’ve been living under a rock. Or you are definitely too young 😆 Lea is talented. I can give her that. However, Kate is better in every way on this one. This song is not meant for her. Lea over, sings it, screams even and it hurts the performance of it.
i think Rachel's a better singer but not dancer
Sean Smith that's literally what she said :v
PAOLA MONSE_3 lol and I agree with her 😂😂😂
Sean Smithwqwqq
Totes agree
Sean Smith I hear auto tune through his whole show... I know most of the actors can sing but they still meddle with the voice in studio I love Lea Michelle though saw her live
I really loved her character because she wasn’t afraid to tell Rachel the truth but they make it seem like she’s targeting her?? it’s called being a freshman in college, she’s literally there to learn tf
A teacher knows how to identify those students who want to learn to be better and those who believe they are better than others. And if Rachel wanted to learn, she would stop complaining so much and listen to the lessons her teacher tries to convey to her.
@@Tomlavern123 literally
Am I the only one who thought Rachel looked super pretty in this scene?
I like lizards pretty? More like downright sexy
It's the confidence😉
I like lizards iiiii
Who's Rachel
I like lizards Leah's voice is so annoying to me!!! She gives me a headache 🤕
I usually choose Lea Michele in most things, but Kate takes this one!!
Nimue Estelle but Rachel is better singer :v
Manumi her voice didn’t really suit this
@@Lara-zb4ok Voice isn't the only thing that's important. Kate won this one. Her stage presence was absolutely fire and all I really wanted to see was her perform this song, rather than Lea sing it. It's Broadway. That's how it overall works. Lmao.
@@chesecke lea’s voice is terrible for this song
Damn, Rachel is definitely not ready fo Broadway if she can’t take a good old “You’re not good enough yet” 💀
@Ese Uduehi You're a year late lmfao
I haven’t seen this in years, forgot Kate Hudson killed it. That move where the guys are holding her up and slow flip her? AMAZING
You know, they should have brought back Kate Hudson's character back for Season 6 beginning as somebody to encourage Rachel to get over her failed cancelled show. It would be a wonderful return of her character.
yess
For those of you wondering, the piece from the ballet class is Paganini’s Violin Concerto No. 4 in D minor, III. Rondo Galante (Andantido Gaio).
Mostly what she did was made it look like she was dancing, so that she could sing without losing her breath. Broadway stars have to be able to dance, but be able to keep up with signing ,so they dance as little as possible and let most of the set and the actual dancers do most of the theatrics.
The sound of the shoes are SOOOO RELAXING
i LOVE character shoes🤪
Why Are they doing ballet in character shoes? Lol
Lauren Coates and they’re doing ballet class with their hair down and not tied back!
Ballet comes in many forms and styles. Since Niyada is a 'Broadway' school it's preparing you for musical theatre. And in most shows character shoes are the go-to. They're using basic ballet steps and exercises but modified for character shoes. I'm sure they do some classes in jazz shoes, (point if they do that) and ballet shoes. And with the hair things, again since it isn't classical ballet their hair not tied back is okay.
Lauren Coates it's jazz duh
Maybe Because it's jazz???
Sipisapo zone The song is called All That Jazz, but this isn’t jazz dancing 😂
Whos here after riverdale made a cover of this too
Daddy Dweebs glee did it better
jenna yes
Daddy Dweebs omg 😂
@@jennaruiz0922 Camila is a good singer too
Grace Michelle but she can’t match lea’s talent
I have a theory...just hear me out. What if the reason that not only did Rachel fight so hard to get solo's during Glee club was not only because she wanted to be in the spotlight 24/7, but because she wasn't as strong as a dancer as she was a singer? Think about it every episode for the past three seasons, she has boasted to everyone that she was a prodigy in both dancing and singing but not once did she actually show her dancing in it's prime, it was always her voice that she only wanted to showcase.
I just love Kate Hudson!! Never knew she could sing or dance until I saw this particular season of glee ❤
This is pure perfection. Kate is stunning!!!!!!!! Both of the actresses did a impressive job here!
Kate is the best thing to happen on Glee. We need more badass women on film and tv!
I don't think Rachel knows she's studying Musical Theatre...
You know, honey, dance is part of it, whether you like it or not
1:33 I love how Cassandra is like "nah bitch, my class my intro" 😂😂
Oh my. Date Hudson is so freakin’ cute! I’m so glad they included her on Glee. It makes the show even more perfect. (if that’s possible!)
Bob Collins Date Hudson? Was that autocorrect?😂😂😂
Did you mean Kate Hudson or am I just really bad at remembering names?
This was perfection because Rachel is better as a singer, but not as a dancer, but they both killed it!
Cass is by far the NICEST dance teacher I've ever seen.
Did anyone realize that according to the plot of Chicago this is how this number is supposed to be performed?
I thought this number was only made to introduce the characters and not to show Wich one is better
this is definitely not how it’s supposed to be performed...
There's very specific Fosse choreography for this number, which they are not doing at all. Also it's a solo Velma song, not a duet. Are you talking about the outfits?
@@ljm792 They may be talking about how Velma never did a show without her sister, and it wasnt until her sisters' death that she was forced too. So, i think they're most likely hinting at her line in 'I can't do it alone' which was "Now you have to imagine
this with two people. It's swell with two people".
@@ga_lexy Yep and even in the movie version we can see the number start with a spotlight for where Veronica's sister is supposed to be and also in the line "I'm no one's wife." Velma was married (briefly) so I think that line was meant to be sung by her sister
Completely different setting, but I had a teacher like that once. Torts. Georgetown Law School. Heidi Feldblum. One of the most brilliant lawyers I've ever known. She'd push and push, and question and challenge and pounce on any mistake you made. But it wasn't because she wanted you to lose. It was because she wanted to you to learn how to win. For whatever it's worth, I got an A+ in that class. And then won a whole lot of debates that really, really mattered. Thanks, teach. :-D
The teacher danced better than Rachel. Rachel sang better than the teacher.
@Jazzy H Not really no.
@Jazzy H I'm afraid you're incorrect. Kate Hudson is a far better dancer, but Lea Michele will always have the better voice which also means Rachel is the better singer. Not only is she just more vocally talented, her technique is better too. And who was the one on Broadway? Lea.
@Jazzy H There's a difference between what I am saying which is fact and an opinion. Lea has better technique, fact. Which literally makes her a better singer even if not by the sound of her voice, also fact. An opinion is stating that KH did better without even having any context as to how or why you think that.
@@someoneodd3329 Better is an opinion. I can have all the technique but my voice itself could still be crap. Therefore it doesn't automatically make me a better singer.
Kate Hudson's voice is better suited for this song
Can we appreciate for a second that this was the perfect song for this showdown? Thanks Chicago 🙌👏
Everyone is taking this so serious, it’s literally a tv show
Which proves that the series is so good (even when it is stupid) that no one can be indifferent.
EXACTLY thank you 🙏
Right!! Like relax it’s a show
Being able to discuss events and emotional responses to TV shows has been shown to be as effective as counselling in the Americal journal of psychology.
It creates a safe space for people to freely express their opinions about behaviours and characteristics without attacking or receiving retribution from any real people in their lives.
So, discussing the scene passionately is actually very healthy.
AMEN
For the teacher to be moving around and singing this good would've been an incredible feat and to still have amazing breath control. If you aren't really going to dance, sure your singing will be better and more focused.
Yep. Kate out-danced her for sure. She was a wonderful surprise on this show.
Cassandra won this. Rachel cannot dance.
Sarah Ray Idk about that Rachel can dance just not like Cassandra if you see crazy in love/hair performance she did pretty good
I don’t agree with you Sarah
Rachel isn't a better dancer, but in this piece, she definitely sounded better than Cassandra.
dsc1906 its not just about sounding, Rachel simple didnt perform the piece. She is very limited and her stamina is lacking as well as her presences to command like Cassie did. Overall her performance was lacklustre.
Big Bossy point taken. Her performance definitely needs to improve if she were to be successful in NY and overall. I was just speaking on vocals alone, I think Rachel would outperform her.......Just straight up vocals. In the end of the clip, I think that is what Rachel was trying to say.
her pitchy voice doesn’t work in this, the teacher’s voice is smoother and smokier so it sounds way better in this
One of my favorites! I loved GLEE and especially loved the guest stars. Kate Hudson was amazing!
I always was mad at the teacher but rewatching the show and even just this scene, I think Rachel really needed this criticism. I almost feel like Cassandra is a foil character for Rachel and needed her to get better. She had never been shown much criticism of her performances (Sue aside) and in order to really improve, you have to believe you can get better than you already are.
I think for this song Kate was better and here voice was better for this song. It was more sultry and sexy.
Scar Love it’s also meant for her vocal type. Lea should not have sung this. It’s too alto for her voice
Rachel is still a beginner in dancing while Cassandra is an advanced professional. Obviously Cassandra won if you’re talking about dancing. Singing, I would say either a tie or Rachel.
Rachel or either a tie???!!!
Did you listen to them?
Kate performance won singing and dancing and from every point of view.
From my point of view Lea is overrated. There are a lot more good singers in Glee
well it's a dance class
Rachel said she had been going to ballet classes and dance lessons ever since she was a toddler which meant she was not a beginner and there was no excuse for her dancing to be so terrible
Rachel wasn’t really dancing, she was just walking and flipping her hair, like usual
"But I'm just as good of a singer, maybe even better."
"You think anyone in here believes that?"
*Guy* *behind* *Rachel* *bends* *head* *down*
Okay, so when I was younger I remember thinking she owned this performance. Looking back and watching it now…yeahh. Her voice is amazing, we all already knew that though. Her saying “I’m just as good of a singer” she’s right, she’s a better singer, but this is a dance class. To be on Broadway for a long career you need to eventually know how to own a dance number or have good stage presence. Cassie may not have had as good of a voice but she was confident and her dancing was amazing and professional level and it was so much fun to watch her. Whereas with Rachel it was clear that she was mainly concerned with her voice and it kept her from reaching full potential. You could see it on her face, all she was thinking about was “I’ve got a better voice” and not “I am this character right now, I am confidence and flexible and sexy and I know how to own a dance routine”. She was just being plain old high school girl Rachel. She is a beautiful girl but sexiness is about confidence, just look at Santana, she knows she’s hot and has fantastic stage presence that is incredibly fascinating and entertaining to watch. Rachel is obviously still carrying insecurities from high school when she was never the hot girl and is now trying to cover it up with makeup and tiny outfits and professional dancers around her doing the real heavy lifting trying to distract from the fact that she isn’t doing much of anything. I remember when Santana did the Cold Hearted performance and you couldn’t take your eyes off of her, her energy and confidence were infectious. The problem with Rachel is not the way she looks, she’s very pretty, but she does not really believe in herself to be able to carry a performance with more than just her voice. In one of her vocal classes or in a musical like Funny Girl where there is little to no dancing or movement, she can rely on her strong voice and her true personality. But in a DANCE class that is trying to teach you how to tell a story with just your body, you have to be able to demand attention without saying/singing a word. That’s what Cassie was trying to teach her and that’s what Rachel was too stubborn and egotistical to learn. She got frustrated when she couldn’t use smoke and mirrors like she did all throughout high school and she through a fit and blamed it on her PROFESSIONAL PROFESSOR being jealous of her. She has never been told she didn’t have talent or that there were areas she was weak in because Mr. Shue spent so much time kissing her ass and making her think she was better than everyone so when she got into the real world and no one was all that impressed by a girl that can sing (which is a dime a dozen) she was butt hurt about it. Santana is the full package because not only is her voice strong but she demands to be noticed, she is confident that she could carry a performance herself and even if she is in a group she is the one everyone will stare at. Rachel makes you feel things when she is singing her heart out, but so does Santana. Santana can also make you feel things and understand what she is saying by dancing and moving, Rachel can’t do that. She could have learned to if she had been patient and humble and listened to her advisors but she freaked out and ran away. She’d rather live in delusion believing there is nothing imperfect about her talent than to admit she needs to work. The one thing I constantly see when people talk about Rachel is how she had an amazing voice but all of her performances were the same (just stand there and sing and sob) so they skipped them when she’d perform. It’s funny, people used to call Mercedes lazy for not wanting to work on her performances and her craft until it was perfect and all she’d do is stand there and belt and have crazy runs and riffs, but Rachel gave up as soon as she received criticism from someone who knows what they are talking about. Mercedes still had a way of entertaining without having intricate dances.
I'm not reading all that.
@@nimeshsingh4943 I’m 100000000% sure no one asked you to or cares if you do
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The way she squatted at 3:57 is a testament to how she's really not cut out for dancing and performance. That squat was in no way sexy or elegant, any other way of getting down would be better than that atrocity. If it was anyone else like Brittany or Santana, they would've full on done the splits.
“dancing competition”
rachel: i’m a better singer
it bothers me to think they were doing ballet with that hair!!!!!
Paulina Potter Delgado i couldn't help but notice that you have 2 of my favorite things in your profile picture
Cat and TARDIS🙂
Paulina Potter Delgado and that the teacher said toe shoes
I love how Rachel is ready to start singing and the teacher just: "No! This is my territory."
1:03
This is why teachers in glee (except for mr Schuster) are icons
Am I the only one who truly thinks that Rachel wouldn’t stop for a water break? I mean, she won her first vocal and dance competitions since she was an actual baby.
ADDICTED this is so good. One fo the best glee covers!
1 of the best performances of the season. I know a lot of people hate Rachel in this but I like her attitude. Of course I hate that she says the platypus but I love Rachel’s response. Like “same song and dance, different school, how dull/cliche.” But yes KH dances very well and LM is a great singer. They play to their strengths. I love the competition here. And yeah-Cassandra is clearly annoyed but I think she actually enjoys their spats. Rachel doesn’t realize she’s helping her usually until right after every spat. And here’s the thing Rachel Berry is gorgeous. She’s not traditional blonde hair, blue eyes “American or Nazi Germany look” she’s unique. Her skin tone is stunning. Cheekbones, muscles, eyes....LM is damn attractive. Also I really wish she and KH danced together more. Their “I hate you but want your approval” has some undertones.
Hairography for rachel
cassandra was honestly a pretty good teacher. maybe a little mean but she was honestly just trying to humble rachel and prepare her for the real world unlike mr. schuester who coddled her. and cassandra really did see rachel’s talent and potential and tried to make her work to better herself but rachel couldn’t put her pride and her ego aside
I watched this one hundred times and this clip is excellent 😊
cassie was being a teacher. she literally was tough on rachel because she saw the talent rachel had and wanted to break her in this space instead of breaking how cassie broke down and ruined her career. cassie had weird methods but she definitely was a good teacher
Outstanding historical number ever ! Merci beaucoup from Paris France.
Teachers don't stop the whole class to do a dance of with a sassy student 😂
One of the best covers of glee cast. Addicted. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow
when this came out I was mad at the teacher and now I agree with everything she says lol
If you have a dance teacher you don’t like, work hard, get good, move on, don’t keep communication. Even if they aren’t nice, they are talented and use that to your advantage. Don’t throw a fit during class in real life ever. You are better than no one during class until you are told so. So leave entitlement at the door. Seems like stuff I wouldn’t have to say but you’d be shocked
Ms. July knew that Rachel is good she always knew it. She was extra hard on her because she wanted to make her perfect because she knew she'll be a huge star and wanted to make her flawless.
Rachel isn’t even dancing. This proves nothing.
1:57 those moves look like they'd be quite hard to pull off and train for even though they made it look so graceful. Respect!
Is Kate Hudson a professional dancer? Cause she’s incredible ( Lea is very good too but I personally think that Kate is a better dancer and Lea a better singer)
Lea is a very good dancer she just had to tone it down a little
I agree!! and whats funny is Lea Michelle actually admitted that she's not good at the dancing parts in the show. :P
Rachel:But I'm Just as Good of a singer ,maybe even Better...
Me:gUrL wE iN DanCe cLAss,WhO tHe heLl sINgs iN dANcE cLaSs!!!!!
Rachel: I'm not... being a diva, I just...
July: Oh, sorry, we're only looking for divas. NEXT!!!
I never seen Rachel do one dance move or take one dance class in all the seasons of Glee up until this point and we're supposed to believe she's gotten good LMAO!
None of this would ever happen in a real class
Rachel changed in college. In the early high school seasons, she had a treadmill in her bedroom. She spent hours every day practicing her skillset on her own while being bullied online and at school. But here she is being trained by professional performers who want her to be her best and she isn't working nearly as hard and acts like she's being victimized because she can't handle criticism.
It really says something about your work ethic if you've been doing any athletic activity for THREE months and still haven't built your stamina to where it should be.
This is why Rachel getting a Tony award in the last episode was just laughable to me. She was spoiled and coddled in Lima, always being told how amazing she was and that she was a star.
When she got to New York she refused to take feedback and criticism from Carmen and Cassandra and had a major tantrum because she wasn’t being told what she wanted hear: that she’s perfect, talented and a star. Someone like this would NEVER make it on Broadway, one bad review or professional feedback and Rachel would have had a total meltdown 🙄
Maybe screwing herself out of her dream role on Broadway was a wake up call. She realised it was time to be a grown up.
All that jazz was the most beautiful perfomance that they ever did