What if BRITAIN Remained ROMAN ? | Alternate History

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  • The Roman provinces in Britain are often considered to be the least developed ones in the of the Empire. It is no so suprise that Britannia as it was called by the Romans was the first part of the Roman Empire to fall to foreign invaders. Was this fall inevitable and what would have occured if it never happened? We will explore that in this alternative history vIdeo.
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  • @historyrhymes1701
    @historyrhymes1701  2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    New video here : th-cam.com/video/x-7N0dMVUd8/w-d-xo.html

    • @NeveroOn
      @NeveroOn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      what if Justinian named Belisarius West Roman emperor when the goths offered him kingship? Man probably could've managed it if his rule was hands off, and the Byzantine's still could've recalled their forces to deal with Darius.

    • @asgard5968
      @asgard5968 ปีที่แล้ว

      Britain never really was 'Roman' only in a small portion and partially administratively. It was a propaganda exercise to say: " we conquered Britain" - many archaeologists agree that a lot of so called 'Roman remains' are likely 'Briton' ie there was a sophisticated culture that existed prior which was affected by a comet. This is one reason why there is a black hole in history, as many artefacts and texts were destroyed. Geologists with modern techniques back this up.
      In fact, the only people who do not officially credit this era as valid, is the official British history museums and trusts. This is even a topic that many schools are able to talk about - yet the public large museums and so on, do not. It needs totally revising and will be in the coming years.
      British history is not "barbarians that were civilised by Romans" or " Anglo-Saxons that invaded and slaughtered" there was a sophisticated culture that existed before with a rich history and knowledge. The Romans had a few small towns in the south east of England with retired Romans and that is about it. The re-purposed old abandoned structures, after a comet affected Britain.
      There is also solid genetic evidence to give credible evidence to the fact that while 'Romans' were there, continental 'Anglo-Frisian' speakers, Gaelic and Briton speakers all lived alongside eachother, relatively peacefully and co-operatively also. Many people were bi or tri lingual and traded all over Europe.
      Many so called 'Romans' were actually Britons who adopted a Roman lifestyle in the south east of England.
      Please research your videos instead of just repeating the old stories

    • @Fatherofheroesandheroines
      @Fatherofheroesandheroines 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@asgard5968 where on Earth did you hear this?

    • @guilepesto
      @guilepesto หลายเดือนก่อน

      In my scenario, Romans abandoned Britania, causing many picts and saxons invasions. Picts sacked Eboraco (York) and made brigantes vassals. However, a former roman legionary that rule a celtic kingdom in actual Kent unite the breton-latin kingdons and defeated picts with the help of brigantes, forming the Kingdom of Brittania. Later, the latin-brigante aliance is destroyed and a war start, with the help of saxons, latins annex the brigante territory. Later, the latins made a campaign to the north to reconquer the territories until Adrian Walls. Then, the breton-latins invade Wales and Dunmonia, reforming the former territories of the Roman Brittania. Many saxons migrate to Brittania and they are latinized, the same happened to the breton population. The catholicism spread in Brittania and the country became rich. Brittania use its wealth to bring the roman past to Brittania. This works, and the Brittanian rulers left the celtic political system to adopt the roman political system, causing the formation of the Empire of Brittania

  • @MartyBones
    @MartyBones 2 ปีที่แล้ว +344

    A world with a civilized Britannia sounds pretty cool. I can't imagine the tension between the 2 Romes and the "HRE"

    • @KertPerteson
      @KertPerteson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      That sounds interesting as hell

    • @Schlorb-Lord-of-Schlirb
      @Schlorb-Lord-of-Schlirb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      The time of the 3 Romes

    • @dragnarok4286
      @dragnarok4286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      @@Schlorb-Lord-of-Schlirb lmao europe would have its own three kingdoms era

    • @elite4702
      @elite4702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Britannia had a growing celto-roman culture so
      plus im welsh :trollface:

    • @thomashenebry8269
      @thomashenebry8269 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Delusion is strong in this one.

  • @internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77
    @internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +261

    I've always wanted to see such a scenario, so thanks for making it. If Basil really did recognize Brittano-Gallia as the most legitimate claimant to the West Roman title, and they managed to hold off the norse better than in our timeline (likely hastening their Christianization due to the faith and it's adherents not seeming quite as weak) I can see them adopting their own form of the Varangian guard. Any Norsemen who proved themselves to have strength of arms and were willing to accept baptism could essentially act as new auxiliaries, frontline shock-troopers that saw the worst of the fighting but perhaps had the first rights to looting and quicker naturalization as citizens compared to the old imperial system.

  • @emperorofnothing1
    @emperorofnothing1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    The Western Roman Empire, The Holy Roman Empire, and The Eastern Roman Empire? wow what a weird world.

    • @xano2921
      @xano2921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@karloslapsusadregem4434 only 2 would be true Rome

    • @anadaere6861
      @anadaere6861 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Aurelian: *rises from his grave* World restoring time

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And a Western Roman Empire whose capital is --London-- Londinium.

    • @edgareliseev1773
      @edgareliseev1773 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Happend in our time as well. Austria, Germany, Russia, and Turkey claimed to be the heirs to Rome

    • @SethACook
      @SethACook 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@edgareliseev1773the weakest claims

  • @Autconscipatheonive
    @Autconscipatheonive 2 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    What if Mithraism became the dominant religion of Rome?
    What if the Rus' Vikings Scandinavianised Russia?
    What if the Gothic empire idea was actually achieved?
    What if the Visigoths repelled the Muslims?
    What if the Kievan Rus' adopted islam instead of Christianity?
    What if Norse Paganism remained dominant in Scandinavia?
    What if the Seljuk Turks converted to orthodoxy?

    • @HappyBazinga
      @HappyBazinga 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      All of these scenarios are great

    • @georgeptolemy7260
      @georgeptolemy7260 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      These are great ideas

    • @andreamarino6010
      @andreamarino6010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Bad ending
      Idc ending
      Idc ending
      Good ending
      Bad ending
      Bad ending
      Good ending

    • @BlueTigerTheLion
      @BlueTigerTheLion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      If the seljuks Turks would be orthodox, theyd be more widely accepted as the third Rome

    • @hawkevick9184
      @hawkevick9184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@andreamarino6010 somebody like Jesus.

  • @Kingofportals
    @Kingofportals 2 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    Britannia being the last holdout of Western Rome is a cool idea!

    • @showgo254
      @showgo254 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Would have been very likely if they had had a more ambitious governor at that time who did not allow the legions (mostly local britains at that time) to go to the mainland. It was a rich province

    • @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
      @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Like the american movie: The Last Legion, 2007.
      Where Romulus Augustulus becomes Uther Pendragon, father of the Legendary British King: Arthur Pendragon

  • @wargamesmaster
    @wargamesmaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    I already want a part II of this video. :)

    • @internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77
      @internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Assuming the Norse Christianized a bit quicker in the face of more stalwart British resistance, and essentially pulled the same Varangian guard schtick a lot of their best and brightest did in the East, I can see them uniting Scotland and Ireland that much quicker and with a bit more autonomy to decrease resentment compared to our timeline. Iceland was also first settled (albeit very sparsely) by Irish monks. Assuming the island either doesn't fall to invasion or is quickly reconquered in our timeline, this could feasibly also be a "what if Rome discovered America" theory. If the Byzantines could secure trade to the East, and West Rome to the west in the form of the colonial game and maybe reclaiming the straight of Gibraltar, they could use their economic strangle-hold to fund campaigns to re-establish the old imperial borders. What happens when they meet in the middle is anyone's guess.

    • @wargamesmaster
      @wargamesmaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77 Yeah, but you forgot to take two things into account, the Mongols invasions and the Ottomans.
      Unless by the time the Ottomans decided to attack Constantinople Western Rome reconquered enough lost territories to be able to help their Eastern brothers, Western Rome will not be able to prevent the rise of the Ottoman empire.
      By the way, since Western Rome is still alive in that scenario (thanks Bulgaria Empire Mapping :) ), I wonder how they will deal with the Islamic invasions of the Caliphate. Will they do their own "Reconquista" and get back the entire Iberian peninsula?

  • @lord_quasar
    @lord_quasar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Great now we have an Eastern Roman Empire, a Holy Roman Empire and a Western Roman Empire at the same time, it sounds somewhat chaotic that would lead to great wars!

  • @eastromangaming1033
    @eastromangaming1033 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Basil the second and his new British allies would do a little trolling in the “holy” “Roman” “empire”

  • @TheoneandonlyVaken
    @TheoneandonlyVaken 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Byzantium: “no I’m Rome!”
    British Rome: “NO IM ROME!”
    *Repeat with both sides growing louder.*

    • @mariaisabelfonseca6098
      @mariaisabelfonseca6098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Calm down , now calm down, WHO GETS TO ROME FIRST GETS TO BE ROME

    • @sadiqahmed4143
      @sadiqahmed4143 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@karloslapsusadregem4434 Both reach Rome at Exactly the same time
      Britannia:- I AM ROME
      BYZANTIUM:-I AM ROME

  • @hobohabsburg8447
    @hobohabsburg8447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    We need *MOAR* from this scenario. Pt 2!

  • @byzantineempire4636
    @byzantineempire4636 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    A Roman Dual Monarchy with the title of the Western Empire, that is one hell of a time line.

  • @degamegang8262
    @degamegang8262 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Honestly if the Western romans only saw how good defendible britain was they could have easily survived they would just have to move the capital from Rome to Londinium build up a good navy and take the rest of the island by force but sadly they never saw that big potential 😔

    • @anondescriptbullet
      @anondescriptbullet ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The main problem would be enforcing control over italy and Africa, but that could be avoided by simply handing Italy to the ERE.
      The ideal division (IMO) would be a Britannia centralized west of Hispania and Gaul, an east comprising of Italy, Greece Anatolia and the Levant, and a third empire controlling all of the African territories, likely based in either cartage or Alexandria.

    • @degamegang8262
      @degamegang8262 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@anondescriptbullet agreed 👍

    • @TlatoaniMontezuma
      @TlatoaniMontezuma ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@anondescriptbullet the problem with that is the Roman world was extremely interconnected. Rome, Constantinople, and other large cities required massive amounts of grain, from both Egypt and Africa Proconsularis, and if someone else controlled those territories they could’ve easily cut off the supply for the others. Antony did something similar to Octavian before the empire even existed, so it wasn’t really realistic. The thing is, Africa and Egypt weren’t even the problem provinces that needed more imperial attention. They were incredibly wealthy and relatively safe compared to other places like Gaul or the Balkan provinces, but they were the Achilles heal to the empire. The Western Empire fell and the East was permanently weakened after losing these critical provinces.

    • @paulfri1569
      @paulfri1569 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indeed 💯

  • @Goldenslayer
    @Goldenslayer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ah, it's my lucky day, hehe. Well done, another quality video, and this time, on a rarely covered topic.

  • @orjelmort2330
    @orjelmort2330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    What if nepos survived, his dynasty then retook the west together with Justinian but then lost the Italian lands from the longobards and having the western Roman Empire remaining in the Balkans surviving the avars and defeating and assimilating the Slavic invaders

    • @historyrhymes1701
      @historyrhymes1701  2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Actually worked on such a scenario with mr Z The video is called "Alternative Roman states"

    • @drinmaliqi9531
      @drinmaliqi9531 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@historyrhymes1701 skandeg was half albanian and half bulgarian . He was not half serb . Even our historian telld that her mother was bulgarian not serbian

    • @mariaisabelfonseca6098
      @mariaisabelfonseca6098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@historyrhymes1701 hey can you do a what if on asturias being one of the last holdouts for the romans, many things in that timeline should've been changed like having loyal generals like aegidius to guarantee atleast a decade worth of time when the western roman empire fell and the germanic teuton invasions of the late republic period

  • @ethancash8870
    @ethancash8870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That was more glorious than I thought

  • @LegateLynx
    @LegateLynx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I think Roman Britain would at least still be syncretic with British Celtic culture as it was to a degree in Gaul. In real life, there was the sub Roman period, in which the Welsh and Romans persisted for a time in late Rome and after the fall of Western Rome but before the Anglo-Saxons. They defended against the Anglo-Saxons at Badon mount. King Arthur is sometimes identified with Constantine III iirc.
    The exonym Welsh is also interesting because it is related to the Old High German Welsch referring to Italians. One tribe the Germans fought were called the Volcae by the Romans, and this term by extension became any foreigner but specifically Romans. For living among the Romans the Gothic kings of Italy were called the Valagothi. The synonym for Romanian, Wallachian comes from the same root. The Romans who were not assimilated but the Anglo-Saxons likely assimilated to Welsh culture.
    A better-conserved Roman Britain would likely speak a patois of Latin and Brythonic. Insular Celtic is quite different from latin whereas the Continental Celtic at least had vague intelligibility to Greek and Latin. I imagine it would sound Latin with some french silent terminal consonants. It would have significant lexical influence from Highland Gaelic, Irish, and especially Welsh.
    Even during the Roman period, there was Gallic Religious syncretism with Cernunnos and Lugnus as with Serapis in Egypt and Mithraic mysteries. This was true of the Seleucids, Ptolemaic Dynasty, and Ancient Greece has a significant cultural imprint from the Scythians who bordered their Pontic emporia.
    The point is the Romans in Britain would be like Mozarabic Latins in Andalusia, or 7th century Italians who weren’t quite clearly distinct from Romans or Italian cultures. The Celtic Byzantines idea is pretty accurate.

  • @jerome6848
    @jerome6848 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Was looking for a scenario like this for a long time. Looking forward if you decide to continue this

  • @superpangamer
    @superpangamer ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A part 2 would be epic

  • @fatboibrian9047
    @fatboibrian9047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video! really hope we get a part 2

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A very interesting timeline for sure, you sure love these roman alternate histories

  • @jamesmolloy9254
    @jamesmolloy9254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job! I see a lot of potential!

  • @andrefarfan4372
    @andrefarfan4372 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice video.

  • @FilipSrbin
    @FilipSrbin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Damn bro you're such an underrated channel

  • @ianreynolds6845
    @ianreynolds6845 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always thought provoking. Thank you .

  • @teodorbabic8007
    @teodorbabic8007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting !

  • @mperorsimonthegreat3920
    @mperorsimonthegreat3920 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    A Romance Speaking British empire is a sight worth seeing

    • @jaypab
      @jaypab 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe English would actually make sense as a language 🤣

  • @KertPerteson
    @KertPerteson ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We need a part 2 badly

  • @jacksonbrown1174
    @jacksonbrown1174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PART II THIS IS AWESOME!!!!

  • @johnamells1676
    @johnamells1676 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this would have a nice part 2.

  • @SUDMONEYBAGS
    @SUDMONEYBAGS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    More please!

  • @NeveroOn
    @NeveroOn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    @Bulgarian Empire Mapping What if Justinian named Belisarius West Roman emperor when the goths offered him kingship? Man probably could've managed it if his rule was hands off, and the Byzantine's still could've recalled their forces to deal with Darius.

    • @speedracer1004
      @speedracer1004 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Very very very true, sadly enough it’s just to hard to tell if Justinian could have ever truly made such a crucial decision during such turbulent times. I’m guessing Justinian was more under the mindset that there should only be one ☝🏻 Roman state under one Basileus (Emperor).
      Asuming Justinian finds such foresight within him. Eastern Roman forces could be slowly but surely withdrawn from Italy and Carthage to reinforce the East. Meanwhile Belisarius would retain his most loyal soldiers and body guard and rebuild the western army as a force to replace the Eastern Roman expeditionary forces.
      It’d also be a very strategic move for Belisarius to convert to Latin Christianity. So then if we’re under the assumption that Justinian can counter attack the Iranians in the East before any significant damage would be done. It is then likely that Khosrow would seek to reestablish the treaty of eternal peace.
      And finally it would actually be a reasonable treaty again as Justinian wouldn’t become a greater ever lemming threat to Iran. As the Balance of power isn’t shifted to drastically. At least not in the East.
      In the west however, I foresee a possible Frankish invasion of Northern Italy as I can guarantee the Frankish King wouldn’t want this successor of a state his predecessors had already destroyed. But as we all know the alps still exist and this is Belisarius we’re talking about here. So after a disaster of an invasion Belisarius’ rule over Italy would be recognized by the Frankish King in exchange for peace.
      Given all of this there is a possibility that once trouble in the East is cleared up, it might be possible for Justinian and Belisarius to collaborate towards the end of their reigns to coordinate their armies for a successful reconquest of Hispania and Gaulia. And at last restoring Mare Nostrum and Belisarius and Justinian would have a massive dual celebration in Rome before they return to their respective palaces to rest in peace knowing that they ensured the eternity of Rome.

  • @NihilSineRex1881
    @NihilSineRex1881 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool video. When do you do a video about the Dacian Kingdom?

  • @unclesam5230
    @unclesam5230 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What if the Sassanid Empire won the great Roman Persian War of 602-627?

    • @micahistory
      @micahistory 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      good idea

    • @theodore6288
      @theodore6288 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Muslims still invade and win

  • @ri3850
    @ri3850 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this is one of my favorite roman alt history

  • @alter4565
    @alter4565 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like Bulgarian Empire Mapping said this:
    4:04 = "However, I like to believe that nothing is impossible in History."

  • @kaanberk6577
    @kaanberk6577 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good video

  • @bfmtrooper5454
    @bfmtrooper5454 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm personally curious about how Britainnia was governed and if it changed. If he's already done a video on this, could someone let me know? Or recommend a video? I'm interested in learning more in general about roman britannia and this guy is great.

  • @ari3903
    @ari3903 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What if Mongol invasion never occured? I'd love a video on that.

  • @daniels7907
    @daniels7907 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Roman military culture and practices would have been better suited to dealing with Viking raids. The Vikings were hit-and-run attackers with little skill at siege warfare. They preferred to avoid fortified targets in favor of softer civilian ones like villages and monasteries. This would likely see a trend very much like what Alfred the Great would undertake later, where increased fortification would have favored urban centers and larger communities. The best way to escape Vikings was to hide behind strong walls and force them to decide how long they could hang around before your legions arrived.

  • @KertPerteson
    @KertPerteson ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this idea

  • @mariaisabelfonseca6098
    @mariaisabelfonseca6098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You should do a what if about asturias being the last holdout of rome, but the timeline would have to have a bit more modifications like iberia being conquered sooner or like what happened to roman gaul having loyal generals like augedius or the region experiencing raids more since the germanic invasions on the republican period werent fend off that early and were more fortified or a mix of them

  • @clarkstrange2142
    @clarkstrange2142 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Part 2 please!

  • @ikengaspirit3063
    @ikengaspirit3063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    One thing I'll say is Britain was never well Romanized, so much so that those that fled from Britain ended up linguistically Celticiizing Britanny instead of continuing its latinization.
    I don't think Rome recruited from Britain and the population even in the south was stills significantly celtic so I think in short order after like 2 generations independent Roman Britain would collapse to Celtic tribes asserting themselves.
    Or at the very least, Roman Britain would become Feudal to pay the large soldier base needed to control the Island, these Feudal soldier class would eventually have to recruit a largely Celtic base who would in turn bring Celtic tribal ideas into the Army. So Tribe based revolts will occur and would in time collapse Roman Britain by gradual decentralization if a foreign force doesn't force them to unite in which case, they united as a Celticized Kingdom with the ruler of one of those tribes, still expressing themselves in the army's organization, taking over.

    • @fabiancarrascalsalazar5793
      @fabiancarrascalsalazar5793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That's kinda solved by the fact that throughtout the 400s Lots of Gallo-romans would likely move to Britannia from central and northern gaul as the germanic tribes seize roman territories. with such an increase in population identifying as romans and speaking vulgar latin, it's likely that they'd have enough resources to field the armies needed for the defense and control of the island, plus asserting a thorough romanization of the island even in the rural areas with time. they'd be the last roman government in the west and would likely attract lots of roman free men from all over the west as the germanics take over. if they keep the bureacracy and suppress tribal uprisings, roman britannia would likely prevail at least until the vikings. after that it would depend on if they are able to stop viking raidings from taking hold over sufficient lands to allow future land based invasions.

  • @jefferyhanderson7849
    @jefferyhanderson7849 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An alternate Hundred years' war breaks out for the succession of West Frankia(France) between the Holy Roman Empire and the 2nd Western Roman Empire. The latter loses the hundred years war and is forced to forfeit all mainland holdings.
    West Rome, now only known as the Kingdom of Britannia, focuses their rebuilt strength on uniting the British Isles under the Eagle Standard, proclaiming the third Empire of the Western Romans, the Empire of Britannia. The new Empire is like our Britain, focusing their expansions overseas and trying to keep the 'balance' in Western & central Europe.

  • @richardseaby9661
    @richardseaby9661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you should make a part 2

  • @MBP1918
    @MBP1918 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Incredible idea

  • @lasqueiralasco1523
    @lasqueiralasco1523 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Make an part 2 please

  • @reidtanner5978
    @reidtanner5978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Part 2 plz.

  • @mappingshaman5280
    @mappingshaman5280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That one guy on Monsieur Z's channel: *Finally my life goal is fulfilled*

  • @morsecode980
    @morsecode980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What if the Despotate of Morea became an Ottoman Principality under Demetrios Palaiologos, and survived all the way to the 19th century, thus causing the Greek’s Roman identity to never fade?

  • @DrumToTheBassWoop
    @DrumToTheBassWoop ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The year is 2022, and the Roman Senate of Britannica is called upon to elect its new First Citizen of Rome.

  • @arianjafari-tadi5953
    @arianjafari-tadi5953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Alternate history idea: What if Napoleon's invasion of Russia was successful?

  • @joshuaturpin7612
    @joshuaturpin7612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    part 2 please

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Would the Union between Britannia and Francia as the new WRE survive the following centuries in the ATL?

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Nice video, now I want to see what would happen if France stayed Roman. What would happen if the Franks couldn't conquer Gaul completely? Would Gaul become a Kingdom of Gallia maybe? Love your video?

    • @germanicrealm1261
      @germanicrealm1261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      France did remain Roman... the vast majority of modern French descent from Gallo-Romans rather than Franks.

    • @TheHatersarebad
      @TheHatersarebad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@germanicrealm1261 I'm more talking about what if the Franks didn't get to create Francia, what would come out of it? We could see something entirely different.

    • @KertPerteson
      @KertPerteson 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      French would sound a lot more like Italian and Spanish if this become true lol instead of the Germanic sounding one it is today

    • @felicepompa1702
      @felicepompa1702 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KertPerteson french is not germanic sounding wtf, it's actually really close to northern italian, in fact languages like lombard and piedmontese share the same sub branch. Then italian is definitely not close in sound to spanish nor portuguese and french has that sound because of a lack of spelling corrections (written french is the same since the 17th century while spoken french has evolved a lotbut not by adopting a kore german pronounciation, they just tried to simplify and shorten words without touching how they were written (the same way for example italian is doing with the word for "guys" which is "ragazzi" its not being pronounced in many ways like "raga" "ragà" "rega" "regaz" and more with some time this new expressions will find a standardized form) , just go see some videos about baroque french opera or something to see what it did sound like)

    • @KertPerteson
      @KertPerteson 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@felicepompa1702 oh shit alright i guess it isnt then

  • @Joleyn-Joy
    @Joleyn-Joy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is basically an EU4 campaign I had in extended timeline, but I played as Soissons and invaded Britain.

  • @jameskpolkastronomyhistory5984
    @jameskpolkastronomyhistory5984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I Enjoy Alternative History

  • @RealEyesRealiseRealLies
    @RealEyesRealiseRealLies ปีที่แล้ว

    Pleaseee someone tell me how I can make this sort of videos

  • @Jack-0-lantern
    @Jack-0-lantern ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sequel please 🙏 😭

  • @Deailon
    @Deailon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aegidius mentioned, you get a like :)

  • @fetus9280
    @fetus9280 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what is song at 6:00

  • @Jrobidy2
    @Jrobidy2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What if Belasarius crushed Persia and the gothic wars never happened

    • @internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77
      @internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Alternatively, what if Justinian named Belisarius West Roman emperor when the goths offered him kingship? Man probably could've managed it if his rule was hands off, and the Byzantine's still could've recalled their forces to deal with Darius.

    • @NeveroOn
      @NeveroOn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77 Please that!

  • @Knappa22
    @Knappa22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Welsh + Italians. Imagine the singing!

  • @juansanchez5001
    @juansanchez5001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hispana was Rome's best Providence silver, tin it made Rome rich.

  • @AidanC850
    @AidanC850 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I made an alternate map of a roman Britain where this exact concept happened where during the constant attacks in mainland Rome, a good chunk of the city of Rome and parts of the roman army fled escaping across the channel. In my scenario Rome in the mainland falls far more quickly only surviving in Britain. A few 100,000 Romans had fled to Britain settling in the already established roman cities. The island still getting raids from the sea but didn't have to constantly worry thanks to there being a sea.
    After a few decades of life in the new Rome surviving I had the Anglo Saxons still pushing in hard and taking most Roman territory which Rome only managed to barely hold off.. at least long enough for the Vikings to turn up in Northumbria which allowed the Romano Britons to have time to plan, prepare and then attack after endless attacks from the Anglo Saxons. The Romans ended up taking out the Anglo saxon kingdoms and dividing the land between the Scandinavians and themselves reconquering alot of the land taken from the Anglo Saxons, they still have a big germanic population though in my timeline as the Anglo Saxons and Romans have been fighting for close to 200 years so many germanic people came over during that time although not as many as in our timeline.
    But there's a very east and west divide at this time.
    There's the western part which is genetically more Romano Briton and shares alot more Mediterranean dna. The east coast is more Romano Saxon holding more Germanic dna but still holding a fair amount of Mediterranean dna..
    The Scandinavians would still settle the north like normal but the Romans do end up reconquering their northern land eventually having 3 distinct groups of people.
    Romano Britons
    Romano Saxons
    Scandinavian Britons
    The Romans after conquering would experience stability and by the late 700s AD began conquering the Pictish lands and the lowlands would becoming a big settlement building area seeing new roman cities being built with mostly Scandinavian Britons settling there although Romano Britons and Romano Saxons still moved up there too..
    The same thing happens in Ireland by 820AD when the whole island was occupied and the first settler Colonies began in what is now ulster and down in leinster whilst the rest of Ireland was like the wild West that no roman dared explore.
    By 1078 the lowlands was entirely romanised.. all of the East of Ireland was also romanised creating a distinct group of people called Eire Romanos, they often come from mostly Irish families who settled down in Roman cities and intermixed with Romans.
    A Romano civil war would break out after there being challenge between leadership and 4 Generals declared war on eachother..
    A general would be Romano Briton
    Another was Romano Saxon
    The other was a Scandinavian Briton
    And the Eire Romanos joined in also but only in 1080. The civil war would last from 1078 to 1125 after many decades of fighting the Romano Britons would manage to conquer all of the island and Ireland. Many centuries later these differences between the Romano Britons, Saxons and Scandinavian Britons became less noticeable as the civil war caused the Romano Britons to hold complete authority over the east and northern Britain.. Many of the Romano Saxon and Scandinavian Britons who fought would end up either executed, forced to fight in tournaments and earn the respect and hopefully impress the Romano Briton elites who watched them. Those who ended up winning tournaments would get special privileges and marry into the Romano Briton elite, this was to crush any possible chance of Revolt if the future offspring would become mixed blood between east and west creating a bond which would end up glueing both sides together. The Eastern elites became Romano Britons just like the west although many of the lower class were still Romano Saxons...
    The north took longer to pacify but by 1400 everywhere from the south of Britain to what is Glasgow in our timeline was permanently culturally unified becoming one single entity whilst the Scots still exist in the Highlands but occupied by the Romans. So what would be Scotland wouldn't include the lowlands... Scotland would only be from Glasgow to the Shetland islands.
    What is Edinburgh in our timeline would be a part of this Romano Briton kingdom.
    The Eire Romanos didn't suffer the cultural conversion thanks to the sea, the eire Romanos weren't as much of a threat so although many soldiers end up either executed or used as slave labour they managed to keep their culture, this culture would end up spreading through Ireland as more Roman settlements are built and by 1500 Ireland is pretty much mostly Eire Romano.
    By 1500 the Romans have actually existed in Britain longer than the Roman empire in our timeline.
    The Romans are often just seen as in Britain instead of in Italy but its just taught that they migrated from Italy just like how we see Hungary where it is today but they migrated from where Russia is today.
    So the average Romano Briton would look fairly olive skinned, most would have darker features but many also would appear more lighter if you go towards Londonium..
    Western Britain is more likely to have dark hair and dark eyes with olive skin looking fairly Italian whilst the east is pretty similar except their skin is more lighter.
    The north is pretty complex as Scandinavian genes still remains fairly strong but the region has seen alot of intermixing over the many many centuries so although having blue eyes is more common up north many can also end up having olive to more Mediterranean looking features.

  • @gavank4525
    @gavank4525 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Make a second episode please

  • @angelopueyygarcia43
    @angelopueyygarcia43 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is epic as fuck. I Imagine in the future when this Roman Britain colonizes the new world. The US as we know it would claim the title of the Roman Republic.

  • @bensonfang1868
    @bensonfang1868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This Latin welsh superpower seems pretty cool

  • @bensonfang1868
    @bensonfang1868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    People who say that Roman britain would have fallen just like Soissons forget that britain has lots of natural barriers

  • @maxwalker1159
    @maxwalker1159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool

  • @Venus-hh2ki
    @Venus-hh2ki 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vídeo altamente ofensivo!

  • @desertfox2117
    @desertfox2117 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Continue

  • @nobledictator2906
    @nobledictator2906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    4th comment, nice video

  • @alessandrogini5283
    @alessandrogini5283 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You could started with a septimius severus living longer/Agrippa could had finished the job..this Maybe 80 % granted a Roman Scotland and Ireland,this means less usurpations and more Manpower and resources

  • @ValidIsCool
    @ValidIsCool 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I do not think Londinium would have been the capital. I thought it would either be Bath or Camelodunum

  • @badwolf66
    @badwolf66 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's possible to keep Britainnia as Roman but on Total War: Barbarian Invasion.

  • @christopherspence6459
    @christopherspence6459 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    THE PICTS NEVER RAN SCOTLAND WHILST THE ROMANS WERE THERE!

  • @wild8074
    @wild8074 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess that the whole world could speaks Romano-British instead that English as the most important spoken language today

  • @celdur4635
    @celdur4635 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the best, realistic way was for the complete conquest and romanization of Britain to be actually carried out, and not aborted. With finally secure borders, and another island, Ireland, as an even more secure and remote roman province, there would've been enough of a hinterland to reconquer what is now England from any tribal invader that was temporarily successful.
    There were a couple of times where Scotland was conquered, but not settled because the general in charge was recalled to Rome.

  • @JOGA_Wills
    @JOGA_Wills 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It never falls if you never take it....

  • @soroushtorabi98
    @soroushtorabi98 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if Constantinople fell to the Persians in 626 or 622 A.D .
    I can also really help you with the info and references

  • @EgonSupreme
    @EgonSupreme 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if Sertorius had won his war against Rome?

  • @frankkelio4010
    @frankkelio4010 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pt 2

  • @marshallmadrid1471
    @marshallmadrid1471 ปีที่แล้ว

    The flame still burn...

  • @JaEDLanc
    @JaEDLanc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s not that hard to imagine, we was part of the new Roman Empire or the fourth reich, the EU is still the Roman Empire! It wasn’t called the treaty of Rome for nothing!
    We ain’t roman and we’ve been fight insurgents since 55bc!

  • @quartztemplar3676
    @quartztemplar3676 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Next just do one where Saxons didn't invade

  • @sadiqahmed4143
    @sadiqahmed4143 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1022 A.D
    Emperor Flavius Aegidius
    Launches a pre emptive campaign against the H.R.E a message is sent to Constantinople
    1023 a Two pronged Attack on the HRE begins Roman Invasion forces from The east ,South,West begin an attack on the H.R.E
    Using this chaos

  • @EASYTIGER10
    @EASYTIGER10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Secretum revelatum est: Hoc est quod factum est...

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please do a part 2 of this video.

  • @RedPawner
    @RedPawner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I hate Theodosius

    • @historyrhymes1701
      @historyrhymes1701  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I mean many do because of his fanatical religiosity, but still, the guy left a massive legacy, be it more negative in the long run

    • @zyanego3170
      @zyanego3170 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Based.

    • @kevwhufc8640
      @kevwhufc8640 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bishop Ambrose of Milan excommunicated Theodosius in 390 ad .
      Because of his violent actions in Greece.

  • @jamesanderson3633
    @jamesanderson3633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    PRO GLORIA ROMAE!!!!

  • @MrMirville
    @MrMirville ปีที่แล้ว

    It would have been a Roman state by design but an Anglo-Celtic society in reality with the Angles and Saxons fancying themselves as the best Roman legions while the Celts would have specialized in priesthood and monastery management.

  • @mattstakeontheancients7594
    @mattstakeontheancients7594 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if the Eastern Roman and Sassanid Empire had peace before the advent of Islam or if they combined to fight against its spread.
    What if Julian the apostate had a full reign, would Christianity become the juggernaut in the Roman Empire.

  • @paulfri1569
    @paulfri1569 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No dark age's?

  • @cynfaelalek-walker7003
    @cynfaelalek-walker7003 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bold of you to show Scotland as a part of Roman Britain.

  • @santiagoparra242
    @santiagoparra242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wat if spain conquier england

  • @bensilk6431
    @bensilk6431 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if rome restored the Republic and ended all the civil wars, but also kept the economics which kept the poor fed preventing the troubles of the first Republic from re occurring?
    What if rome abolished slavery earlier and without replacing it with serfdom?

  • @eoachan9304
    @eoachan9304 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perhaps the Western Roman emperor could arrange a marriage with a HRE lady to ally with the HRE, keeping the peace?

  • @blackheartedshamanjr.7457
    @blackheartedshamanjr.7457 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just an idea but is wholly possible as well. What if The Byzantines held off the Islamic invasions by the Rashidun caliphate.

    • @KertPerteson
      @KertPerteson 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      With north Africa Byzantium would probably be able to fully reconquer western rome