I'd love to see the sequel, the Sassanid invasions, Justinian, Belisarius, the fall of Britannia, the Arabs, and even the Vikings invading Roman France
Justinian would have no needs for conquest as Rome would already exist and they would still be on good terms most likely, although maybe with some tensions over Illyria, most likely Belisarius would be sent to conquer the remnants of the Balkans before being sent to Persia in one of their many wars. Sassanid war of 602-628 would probably not be as draining, as most likely Western Rome would come to the Eastern Empire's aid, meaning it either ends earlier in a Roman victory, or a return to status quo much earlier, meaning, both the ERE and Sassanids would be less drained, probably having a decade more to rebuild themselves until the Islamic invasions, which would see either minor territories lost for both sides (ERE losing most of Arabia Petra and Sassanids losing their Arabian holdings) creating a much weaker, but still powerful, Islamic caliphate, but Zoroastrianism and Christianity would still be the dominant religions of the middle east. Britannia would most likely be mostly forgetten about, considering that it was just a massive expense which most likely just drained the empire over its 400ish years of control, probably being left alone, although trade would still happen between the kingdoms of Brittania and Rome, possibly speeding up its exit out of the dark age by some time Arabs, As said before, most likely would be an isolated religion to the Arabian peninsula, maybe even slowly dying out as it is replaced by Christianity and Zoroastrianism, Viking invasions would probably go mostly the same, with the Romans seeing coastline monasteries and towns being raided by Vikings, although the Normans would never come into existence in the same form as we saw it in our timeline, probably becoming the Western Empire's version of the Varangian guard. Assuming that the Roman empire's existence doesnt fundamentally alter everything, possibly even causing certain wars or people to just....not exist
@@bossy1496 cool analysis, I would just like to point out that the Muslim religion is very resilient and would probably spread to Africa, Indonesia, or India. Becoming a minor religion, but no less important
@xaropy Islam only took off in Indonesia in the 16th century no? Also the early caliphs did have a fear of water no? That's why id think islam wouldn't expand much, assuming iran still collapses and is overrun, india would definitely be majority islam, but Africa would be nearly entirely Christian, maybe more along the lines of the Ethiopian and Coptic churches rather than Christian and Protestant. Again this doesnt assume that somehow major figures are never born, somehow Muhammad for example is just never born or never creates islam. Major changes will have major impacts
“If only. Those must be the two saddest words in the world.”― Mercedes Lackey. “There was once a dream that was Rome. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish.” -- Marcus Aurelius. Thanks !
We cannot change the past, but we can affect the future. It might not be much, but as long as it is something then we have done all we can. We can't all be heroes, but doing our duty to our allies and our country is one of the highest of the Roman Virtues!
Probably, if things had worked as they did in this timeline, there would not have been several national identities (Italian, Spanish, Tunisian, French....) but only one: ROMAN. Even today, many European Latins continue to identify themselves as Romans and dream (secretly) of forming one great Latin nation. Perhaps we need a new Majorian to make it happen.
You know even in Romes day they still called Italy, Italy so Italian wouldn’t be none existent just they’d be calling themselves Roman first and foremost and the rest? Is an absolute win the Spanish where clowns and destroyed all kinds of historic structures in the Americas, The French ? a nation of clowns.
You should do a video on Eastern generals and Emperors such as Leo III, John Kourkouas, Nikephoras Phokas, John I Tzimiskes, Basil II, Maurice, Heraclius etc.
So many expectations and hopes beaten down and left to die. Late Roma is fascinating and painful to study. To think the Empire could have survived and prospered into the middle age. We can only dream
A bit late to the party. But there was a major outbreak of plague in the mid 6th century that could absolutely derail the course of the Western Roman Empire. And there's also the growing cultural drift between West and East that could cause a major conflict to emerge between them at some point. And 3rdly, there's the next big wave of nomads, with the Avars coming and the Turks pushing them.
@@ldubt4494arabs barely beat eastern romans when Romans were tired of fighting Persians for 25 years non-stop. Arabs just came in at right time or these nomads were no match for Romans. And considering western Rome is alive and prospering arabs will be beaten back to their deserts quickly
The alternativ history path for Majorian has been very beutifully been made, if I could at least now I would support this channel by donation, keep up the good work.
You literally are my favourite ancient roman TH-camr rn. You are making me dream at night about alternative timelines of ancient rome surviving thank you so much!
22:45 I think it would have been much smarter for Majorian, in this hypothetical Timeline, to keep the old tribal Kings intact. Subordinate, but intact. I think that, given the fact that the tribes that are now living in Gaul and Spain comprise a substantial percentage of the Populations of their respective regions, it would be wiser to share Power with these subordinate kings, return to a system somewhat similar to the system established under Augustas and Vespasian, where power was shared with local elites.
Needs to be a sequel to where Majorians son leads the Romans to finally conquer Germania once and for all. Also they are still missing a bit of mainland territory. Specifically the provinces of Noricum, Pannonia and Raetia.
I want to think that Majorian would have also restored Britannia. The Britons still had a decent military power and wanted Rome back, the arrival of Majorian's troops could have tipped balance against the invading Saxons.
The Britons had groaned that the Picts and Scots were attacking them, and had asked Aetius to take them over. Unfortunately he was fighting Attila at that time, so he was unable to help. By 454 he was dead. Rome had intervened in the 430s when St Germanus of Auxerre had rallied the Britons in the Hallelujah Victiry while negotiating with the British leader Agricola.
@@Joanna-il2ur By Majorian's time, the Picts and Scots had already been beaten back... And replaced as invaders by the Saxons. Though the Britons were still strong enough that they contributed troops to Anthemius' ill-fated campaign against the Visigoths.
@@lordMartiya when St Patrick wrote his Confessio to his metropolitan in Britain, he made no mention of any invasion there. Bishop Faustus of Riez was a Briton and probably grandson of Vortigern. He wrote many letters and took part in the delegation which surrendered the Auvergne to Euric, as condemned by Sidonius. He never in his literature (unlike Synesius on the invasion of Cyrene) mentions any invasion. There is nothing in the archaeology which illustrates an invasion.
@@lordMartiya And what evidence would you like to present to support that assertion? Gildas is unreliable and may relate to an earlier, or even a later, period. And as the Picts were in Pictland and the Irish were in the. north west, how useful would the Saxons have been in the south east?
Just imagine that in this timeline, we end up seeing the Roman Empire having a worldwide Cold War with China, Great Britain, and an alternate version of the United States of America.
Rome wouldn’t have a cold war. And probably the US would actually have been a Roman Province had Rome not fell. As mostly of the americas. You would be speaking Latin or Greek, depending of the part of the empire upon which the colonists where drafted. In a Roman world Britain would not have been dominant
Love your awesome work And yeah the algorith is not being any help, though my friends have shared this video on the alternatehistory forum when we were also talking about Majorian
Great video This is awesome timeline I feel like Majorian (if he lived long enough) would have abolish Magister Millitum since the system brings civil war and it was used by mostly barbarian leaders especially Ricimer
He was one of the few Western emperors after Theodosius that matter. Otherwise it was the Patricians that actually did anything. Some, like Stilicho and Aetius, were important. Ricimer was as Roman as anyone else, but he was a psychopath. As Ricimer was grandson of Wallia, via his mother, he was a Roman citizen from birth and not a barbarian. If Zeno was a Roman, so was Ricimer.
Well, this is the dream of every late Western roman empire fan :D. I'm writing right now a thesis on Ricimer for my master degree in roman history (circa, coz in italy there are no specific "Roman" degree or whichever)....and I hate him on every page I write...every one...
Summary 0:00: 🏛 이 비디오는 황제 마요리아누스의 서로마 제국 구원 시도에 실패한 사실을 논의하며, 역사가 다르게 전개되었다면 어떻게 됐을지 탐구합니다. 4:06: 🏛 새로운 타임라인에서, 마요리아누스의 신중한 계획으로 서부 로마 제국의 성공적인 복원이 이루어진다. 8:57: 🏛 반달족에 대한 마요리아누스의 승리와 서로마 제국의 복구에 대한 상세한 설명. 12:59: 🏛 마요리아누스이 로마에서의 승리와 정치적 도전의 역사적 여정. 16:52: 🏛 서서히 자신의 제국을 견고히 하기 위해 서부 로마 황제 마요리아누스은 반역자 림르를 물리치다. 20:11: 🏛 마요리아누스 황제 아래 서부 로마 제국의 복원과 로마에 안정과 번영의 회복. 24:39: 🏛 영상에서는 서양 로마 제국이 500년대에 부활하고 강해질 수 있는 잠재력에 대해 논의합니다. Recapped using Tammy AI
This isn't the first version of this Timeline I've seen. There's another Late Roman Revival Alternate history that uses Romulus Augustulus as the point of divergence. If you do make this a series (And you really should, as lots of Alternate history scenarios don't get the time they need to really shine), I encourage you to be creative with the pieces on the board.
Ah yes Chadjorian...Hero of all time. Edit: Before watching this channel, I used to think that Majorian was simply a failed footnote in history. I no longer think this.
I guess one of the fascinating aspects of Roman History is that.... despite its whole hoast of misshaps and bad rulers... only one such event less and it migth have just been able to hold on. Until Rome itself fell for good it seems there was never a clear point you could point to and say "Here it was absolutly over." Hell I guess some people migth argue it wasnt realy over until Konstantinople fell almost another 1000 years later.
Wich pretty muhc continued the old ROman tradition of "One competent Emperor followed by multiple generations of absolute idiots" Wich I guess is the best Argument against a Monarchy. Sure you migth get that once in a century greater then life leader who basicly fixes everything and restores society at large... but you also get the 20 RUlers before and after that tearing it down again with speed.
My guess - Majorian makes someone who isn't his son emperor and chooses them for competency. Perhaps Marcellinus or Nepotianus, or if they are dead, he maybe chooses Julius Nepos. Or maybe that will cause his actual children to be jealous and cause a civil war, and THAT is how the empire dies.
Maybe Majoiran lessens the power of The Emperor and chooses his sons anyways, but by the time his Children take power, the generals have all the power, and use it to expand the Empire.
Would be great to have a follow up to this that continues down the alternate timeline. Discuss how the Roman Empire could have gone if the dude only made the right decision ^w^
Always played this in my head. Even after the burn of the fleet. He does not disband the army, but blames the Vandals, Visigoths and Suebi, just to keep the army united. Attacks the Suebi and Visigoths and plots Frank Alemani and Burguands against each other. Completely destroys all three foederati, and makes alliance with Armorica and Basque. After some territorial corrections with the Franks and Alemany and Rugi, together with Marcellinus and the East destroys the Ostrogoths and takes more land. Success after success make people forget about the Vandals, for the moment. His image cemented, he, understanding Ricimer's plot, attacks him. After a brief civil war, Majorian is free. Clean up operations againstbevery barbarian entity not on the border and than, the united attack with the East on the vandals.....just some stupid man thinking 😂..... In your scenario, would attacking the Ostrogoths before dealing with Ricimer be better to cement his aura and remove mos Ricimer's supporters? Franks we 'good' allies and Allemmani were far away for the moment. What do you think? I could be completely wrong
Wonderful video of a possibility of what could have been. Rip to the Roman Empire. The greatest empire of them all. P.S. Could you make a what if the Romans fortified Italy and kept out the barbarian invasions maintaining,Latin rule over Italy? The rest of the western empire would still fall.
I love this alternative story though I'm afraid it's a bit too optimistic. The Romans were quite prone to civil war, and an emperor being a really good one was no guarantee that his son would be so as well, as seen in case of Marcus Aurelius.
Would’ve been interesting if Maiorianus wanted to parade Geiseric through Rome in a Triumph before exile or more likely execution. Then Ricimer would’ve either made his move in northern Italia or waited until he could reach Geiseric himself. As long as he fixed the succession problem nothing can stand in their way.
Overall a great video and I’d love to see more! But personally I don’t think ricimer was the James Bond villain you and others make him out to be. His actions weren’t good but I don’t think he did it with the purpose to destroy Rome and I do think he fought for Rome, he did Afterall fight off some vandal incursions years prior and later dealt with the Alans. I think his actions against Majorian were not because of evil plotting but desperation. When Majorian was defeated he’d already had issues iirc with the senate and ruling class so once he was defeated and had to disband his army it was clear he was done and so ricimer abandoned his ally and betrayed him. If Majorian had one he’d be squarely in his camp and stayed his ally. I also don’t think Majorian had to be more distrustful either, something like the burning of his fleet is hard to avoid without hindsight or luck. Majorian was already successful and just needed the one thing to go differently to allow his victory. Also I don’t think geinseric would’ve been executed in Carthage. There’s no way Majorian doesn’t execute him in Rome during his triumph. Also, I don’t think he’d marry the eastern emperor’s daughter. Eudoxia. Daughter of emperor Valentinian III, who’s sister placidia had almost been married to Majorian, would make a far better choice. For she had the blood of the theodosian and valentian dynasties in her veins. Which no other women could boast. Marry her would give him the last bit of legitimacy he lacked.
Wow, amazing and moving video towards the end. Has WRE survived, the ERE would not have lost lost Syria and Egypt for good, as they'd have the support of the West. Islam would not have spread, the Mediterranean would look radically different
I think it possible that Majorian II and his heirs would look to keep the stability of the Empire while growing in power to reconquer Britian. How long it would take to build the strentgh necessary to do so is questionable. But while in our timeline the Normans invaded Anglo-Saxon Britian, in this timeline it would be a Roman invasion, and several centuries earlier than our timeline. Even if an invasion of Britian does or does not take place, the next major problem facing this rebuilt Western Roman Empire would be what plagued the Europeans in our timeline: the North Men, Norsemen, or Vikings as we now call them. However, I think a united, Roman Europe and North Africa could have dealt with the Vikings much better than the fragmented kingdoms of Europe in our own timeline, with much bigger armies, navies, and resources than any of the fragmented kingdoms of Europe could ever bring against the Vikings. Shoud the Vikings be dealt with, who knows what the next challenge could be to this rebuilt Western Roman Empire.
Majorian, Justinian/Belisarius, Heraclius, Charlemagnus, Arturius, Alfred, Basil, William, the Cid, Barbarossus, Baldwin, Richard.... all under one banner
This is a pretty good what if video about an amazing character of his time. I believe without the backstabbing of his friend he would definitely have ruled a resurgent empire. I wonder could you do the same scenario for Theodric The Great if his family line had not fallen apart, perhaps even scenario of the golf becoming more integrated with Rome and becoming Catholic. After all, I always thought, what would it be like if his golden age in Italy, had grown into a Gothic Roman empire fusion.
I do know. Every great dynasty begins with a Caesar (like this alternative Maiorian) but ends end with a Nero (or maybe alternative Moiorian's successors, just like Theodosius the "Great" Western successors Honorius and Valentinian III). Any Imperial system's weakness is its dependence on the quality of its leader, the Emperor. Just witness, the later history of the East Roman Empire's Macedonian dynasty (mighty Basil II) which eventually lead to treachery by Alexios III and 1204 sack of Constantinople (from which it never recovered).
Reading Dr Michael Hudson's "...and forgive them their debts; Lending, Foreclosure and Redemption From Bronze Age Finance to the Jubilee Year", on page 237 I found this bit of information about Maiorianus which I thought I might share with you: "Attempts to tighten imperial tax collection were bound to alienate these officials, and especially the large landholders, who backed military warlords against emperors strong enough to restrain their grabbing. They overthrew Emperor Majorian (457-461), a former general, when in 458 he assigned tax collection to governors instead of local administrators as one of his first acts, his Novel No. 2, "On the Remission of Past Due Accounts," despite proclaiming an amnesty for land-tax arrears." You probably already knew about this, but on the off chance you weren't familiar with this I thought I would drop a few words. Excellent channel you have!
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Can you do a Scenario where Khalid Ibn-Al Walid never converts to Islam.
The images and drawings in the video are gorgeous. How do you get them?
I keep asking him.
Part 2 to this pls!!!!!!
I'd love to see the sequel, the Sassanid invasions, Justinian, Belisarius, the fall of Britannia, the Arabs, and even the Vikings invading Roman France
Justinian would have no needs for conquest as Rome would already exist and they would still be on good terms most likely, although maybe with some tensions over Illyria, most likely Belisarius would be sent to conquer the remnants of the Balkans before being sent to Persia in one of their many wars.
Sassanid war of 602-628 would probably not be as draining, as most likely Western Rome would come to the Eastern Empire's aid, meaning it either ends earlier in a Roman victory, or a return to status quo much earlier, meaning, both the ERE and Sassanids would be less drained, probably having a decade more to rebuild themselves until the Islamic invasions, which would see either minor territories lost for both sides (ERE losing most of Arabia Petra and Sassanids losing their Arabian holdings) creating a much weaker, but still powerful, Islamic caliphate, but Zoroastrianism and Christianity would still be the dominant religions of the middle east.
Britannia would most likely be mostly forgetten about, considering that it was just a massive expense which most likely just drained the empire over its 400ish years of control, probably being left alone, although trade would still happen between the kingdoms of Brittania and Rome, possibly speeding up its exit out of the dark age by some time
Arabs, As said before, most likely would be an isolated religion to the Arabian peninsula, maybe even slowly dying out as it is replaced by Christianity and Zoroastrianism,
Viking invasions would probably go mostly the same, with the Romans seeing coastline monasteries and towns being raided by Vikings, although the Normans would never come into existence in the same form as we saw it in our timeline, probably becoming the Western Empire's version of the Varangian guard.
Assuming that the Roman empire's existence doesnt fundamentally alter everything, possibly even causing certain wars or people to just....not exist
@@bossy1496 cool analysis, I would just like to point out that the Muslim religion is very resilient and would probably spread to Africa, Indonesia, or India. Becoming a minor religion, but no less important
@xaropy Islam only took off in Indonesia in the 16th century no? Also the early caliphs did have a fear of water no? That's why id think islam wouldn't expand much, assuming iran still collapses and is overrun, india would definitely be majority islam, but Africa would be nearly entirely Christian, maybe more along the lines of the Ethiopian and Coptic churches rather than Christian and Protestant.
Again this doesnt assume that somehow major figures are never born, somehow Muhammad for example is just never born or never creates islam. Major changes will have major impacts
@@bossy1496 islamc traders Go far as the Philippines, why couldn't they reach Indonesia?
“If only. Those must be the two saddest words in the world.”― Mercedes Lackey.
“There was once a dream that was Rome. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish.” -- Marcus Aurelius. Thanks !
Majorian : *trying to save the empire
Ricimer : "I'm gonna end this man whole career"
I’m not even European and that shit pisses me off
Same happened with Stilicho and Aetius
Not just his career, but any chance of the Empire ever rising again.
Reimer the greatest argument against diversity
Literally what's happening right now, and again... Due to the tyranny of destruction of civilizations by those Germans...
Would love to see a series on this timeline. The 600’s and the Great Persian war in the east
More importantly, wars against the Arabs. Perhaps more successful than in our timeline.
Agree!
Maybe arabs conquest in levant. In 636AD/CE. Maybe help of the western Roman
Yes i agree to, i want a whole series of the western roman empire living in this alternate universe untill its fall
I wonder whether the Islamic conquests would be as succesful as in our timeline with a Western & Eastern Roman Empire working together.
Damn you Ricimer...... Majorian may you rest in peace!!! ☹️
Made me shed a little tear of joy (and grief as well, because it was just a dream).
We cannot change the past, but we can affect the future. It might not be much, but as long as it is something then we have done all we can. We can't all be heroes, but doing our duty to our allies and our country is one of the highest of the Roman Virtues!
If this timeline were real, you wouldn't be alive to shed a tear 😅
@@schoolofgrowthhacking speak for yourself
@@schoolofgrowthhackingeven if so, I would gladly not be for the Imperium to live on
The Dream of Rome will never die.
I really want a part two imagining how the empire and his children would go on
I agree
Maiorianus: Was I a good Imperator?
*Iesu Christi: No. You are of the Best.*
Probably, if things had worked as they did in this timeline, there would not have been several national identities (Italian, Spanish, Tunisian, French....) but only one: ROMAN.
Even today, many European Latins continue to identify themselves as Romans and dream (secretly) of forming one great Latin nation. Perhaps we need a new Majorian to make it happen.
You know even in Romes day they still called Italy, Italy so Italian wouldn’t be none existent just they’d be calling themselves Roman first and foremost and the rest? Is an absolute win the Spanish where clowns and destroyed all kinds of historic structures in the Americas, The French ? a nation of clowns.
It will never happen.
@@GaiusJuliusCaesar. damn I thought you where dead all this time sir! What are your orders.
Only by unifying old and new philosophy will a new Roma be created
A Latin Confederation would be more realistic
You should do a video on Eastern generals and Emperors such as Leo III, John Kourkouas, Nikephoras Phokas, John I Tzimiskes, Basil II, Maurice, Heraclius etc.
Byzantine emperors are mostly very mediocre. Basil II is the only one worth a video.
@@doublem1975x John I Tzimiskes was amazing and died too early, it fits the theme of his channel.
What's a "Byzantine"?@@doublem1975x
The 2 greatest ones are the ones of Illyrian descent such as Juatinian the Grest and his predecessor Anastasius from Durres.
Basil II comes after them
That's belong to greek history tho. Especially from Heraclius onwards.
Everything about this was so cathartic to watch 😌✨ I love explorations of alt-timelines that give historical figures the endings they deserved!
So many expectations and hopes beaten down and left to die. Late Roma is fascinating and painful to study.
To think the Empire could have survived and prospered into the middle age. We can only dream
Theres another thing: The Arab expansion.
A bit late to the party. But there was a major outbreak of plague in the mid 6th century that could absolutely derail the course of the Western Roman Empire. And there's also the growing cultural drift between West and East that could cause a major conflict to emerge between them at some point. And 3rdly, there's the next big wave of nomads, with the Avars coming and the Turks pushing them.
@@ldubt4494Easy peasy.
@@ldubt4494arabs barely beat eastern romans when Romans were tired of fighting Persians for 25 years non-stop. Arabs just came in at right time or these nomads were no match for Romans. And considering western Rome is alive and prospering arabs will be beaten back to their deserts quickly
Neighbors: Why are you crying so damned loud?!
Me: Poor Majorian...poor Maurice...
The alternativ history path for Majorian has been very beutifully been made, if I could at least now I would support this channel by donation, keep up the good work.
Majorian will always be a legend in my book
He deserves a Big time Hollywood movie.
@@timothylee2772I'll make that after my 5 season Diadochi HBO series comes out
Beautiful video, it would be great if you'll continue this timeline
I have waited for this video for a long time and I'm very happy to see it.
A very plausible scenario, loved the video. Ave Majorianus. 👌
Please make a part 2 for this video I love it!!
I agree
Back to Britain!
Ave Majorian !
You literally are my favourite ancient roman TH-camr rn. You are making me dream at night about alternative timelines of ancient rome surviving thank you so much!
1:10 LET'S GOOO ELCHE MENTIONED but also Portus Illicitanus is modern day Santa Pola, not Elche
There was once a dream called Rome and it was absolutely beautiful
Masterly put together video! Well done good sir.
Thanks!
Hi Jason, thanks a lot for your kind donation :) I really appreciate it a lot !
Maiorianus the Restorer!
Awesome video can you make a what if video in which the Eastern Roman Empire survived.
This is my favourite kind of fan fiction.
This alternate history format would be great for a scenario on a Britanno-roman successor state (enter King Arthur).
It s so sad, you made us realize that the empire really did NOT need to fall there and then
Thanks!
And than you friend, for your kind donation, I really appreciate it :) This channel is made possible by people like you.
From beginning till the end of the events of this video, i feel satisfied❤
Hey Maiorianus, I'm very interested in both your work and Schwerpunkt's, have you guys ever thought about a coop?
I read it as coup at first and thought how apt for a channel obsessed with the late stages of the Roman Empire to engage in a coup.😂
A continuation to this would be really cool!
22:45 I think it would have been much smarter for Majorian, in this hypothetical Timeline, to keep the old tribal Kings intact. Subordinate, but intact. I think that, given the fact that the tribes that are now living in Gaul and Spain comprise a substantial percentage of the Populations of their respective regions, it would be wiser to share Power with these subordinate kings, return to a system somewhat similar to the system established under Augustas and Vespasian, where power was shared with local elites.
Needs to be a sequel to where Majorians son leads the Romans to finally conquer Germania once and for all. Also they are still missing a bit of mainland territory. Specifically the provinces of Noricum, Pannonia and Raetia.
and Dacia Traiana, enlarged from the Dniester to the Tissa and Danube.
Rome absorbs the Franks and Alemanni and Huns, and Saxons,Angles, Lombards, Bulgars
I want to think that Majorian would have also restored Britannia. The Britons still had a decent military power and wanted Rome back, the arrival of Majorian's troops could have tipped balance against the invading Saxons.
The Britons had groaned that the Picts and Scots were attacking them, and had asked Aetius to take them over. Unfortunately he was fighting Attila at that time, so he was unable to help. By 454 he was dead. Rome had intervened in the 430s when St Germanus of Auxerre had rallied the Britons in the Hallelujah Victiry while negotiating with the British leader Agricola.
@@Joanna-il2ur By Majorian's time, the Picts and Scots had already been beaten back... And replaced as invaders by the Saxons. Though the Britons were still strong enough that they contributed troops to Anthemius' ill-fated campaign against the Visigoths.
@@lordMartiya when St Patrick wrote his Confessio to his metropolitan in Britain, he made no mention of any invasion there. Bishop Faustus of Riez was a Briton and probably grandson of Vortigern. He wrote many letters and took part in the delegation which surrendered the Auvergne to Euric, as condemned by Sidonius. He never in his literature (unlike Synesius on the invasion of Cyrene) mentions any invasion. There is nothing in the archaeology which illustrates an invasion.
@@Joanna-il2ur Nothing except the Saxons already fighting the Britons in Majorian's time.
@@lordMartiya And what evidence would you like to present to support that assertion? Gildas is unreliable and may relate to an earlier, or even a later, period. And as the Picts were in Pictland and the Irish were in the. north west, how useful would the Saxons have been in the south east?
This is a great video man! 🙂👍
Thanks,Very Much.
Just imagine that in this timeline, we end up seeing the Roman Empire having a worldwide Cold War with China, Great Britain, and an alternate version of the United States of America.
No, let's not.
Hmm no thanks
Rome wouldn’t have a cold war. And probably the US would actually have been a Roman Province had Rome not fell. As mostly of the americas. You would be speaking Latin or Greek, depending of the part of the empire upon which the colonists where drafted. In a Roman world Britain would not have been dominant
Fascinating idea :)
@@lorenzogumier7646 yup
Love this!
Was A Magnificent Vídeo.
Great video!
Love your awesome work
And yeah the algorith is not being any help, though my friends have shared this video on the alternatehistory forum when we were also talking about Majorian
Too bad Majorian didn’t figure out Ricimer’s plot
Great video
This is awesome timeline
I feel like Majorian (if he lived long enough) would have abolish Magister Millitum since the system brings civil war and it was used by mostly barbarian leaders especially Ricimer
He was one of the few Western emperors after Theodosius that matter. Otherwise it was the Patricians that actually did anything. Some, like Stilicho and Aetius, were important. Ricimer was as Roman as anyone else, but he was a psychopath. As Ricimer was grandson of Wallia, via his mother, he was a Roman citizen from birth and not a barbarian. If Zeno was a Roman, so was Ricimer.
Mesmerizing, yet again. And the best part? I have significantly increased my knowledge of Roman history and still have a long way to go.
Then somebody else would have trigger a civil war after Majorian's peacefull death.
I wonder how the renaissance would play out, since the Western Roman Empire survived longer.
the things i'd do to be born a Roman on its peak days 😭😭
Only the western portion collapsed, but the eastern Roman Empire continued for hundreds of years.
Well, this is the dream of every late Western roman empire fan :D. I'm writing right now a thesis on Ricimer for my master degree in roman history (circa, coz in italy there are no specific "Roman" degree or whichever)....and I hate him on every page I write...every one...
To save the Roman Empire, you'll need to tell Marcus Aurelius not to allow Commudus to sit on the throne.
Summary
0:00: 🏛 이 비디오는 황제 마요리아누스의 서로마 제국 구원 시도에 실패한 사실을 논의하며, 역사가 다르게 전개되었다면 어떻게 됐을지 탐구합니다.
4:06: 🏛 새로운 타임라인에서, 마요리아누스의 신중한 계획으로 서부 로마 제국의 성공적인 복원이 이루어진다.
8:57: 🏛 반달족에 대한 마요리아누스의 승리와 서로마 제국의 복구에 대한 상세한 설명.
12:59: 🏛 마요리아누스이 로마에서의 승리와 정치적 도전의 역사적 여정.
16:52: 🏛 서서히 자신의 제국을 견고히 하기 위해 서부 로마 황제 마요리아누스은 반역자 림르를 물리치다.
20:11: 🏛 마요리아누스 황제 아래 서부 로마 제국의 복원과 로마에 안정과 번영의 회복.
24:39: 🏛 영상에서는 서양 로마 제국이 500년대에 부활하고 강해질 수 있는 잠재력에 대해 논의합니다.
Recapped using Tammy AI
22:46 Eh, no big loss. It was a money hole at that point
If only this could be, funnily enough, I was thinking of what names Majorian would give his sons and I too came to the conclusion of Marcellus
Let’s gooooo another video !!!
God Bless The Enclave
@@Kiddo5010 amén to that
How much was the recovered territory under Romes control? I ask, because almost as soon as he died, they were lost again.
Far better time line 💪
I’m Majorian your videos.
Majorian sounds like a lot like General Grant. A superb general but too trusting to make a good politician.
Finally, inner peace
This should be a movie
This isn't the first version of this Timeline I've seen. There's another Late Roman Revival Alternate history that uses Romulus Augustulus as the point of divergence. If you do make this a series (And you really should, as lots of Alternate history scenarios don't get the time they need to really shine), I encourage you to be creative with the pieces on the board.
Man i love this
Ah yes Chadjorian...Hero of all time. Edit: Before watching this channel, I used to think that Majorian was simply a failed footnote in history. I no longer think this.
fleets and ships are moored at port, not really parked. Parked is mostly for cars 😉😉
Do a mini series!
3:12 for people that want to get straight to the point
I guess one of the fascinating aspects of Roman History is that.... despite its whole hoast of misshaps and bad rulers... only one such event less and it migth have just been able to hold on. Until Rome itself fell for good it seems there was never a clear point you could point to and say "Here it was absolutly over." Hell I guess some people migth argue it wasnt realy over until Konstantinople fell almost another 1000 years later.
Wich pretty muhc continued the old ROman tradition of "One competent Emperor followed by multiple generations of absolute idiots" Wich I guess is the best Argument against a Monarchy. Sure you migth get that once in a century greater then life leader who basicly fixes everything and restores society at large... but you also get the 20 RUlers before and after that tearing it down again with speed.
Everybody should know about Majorian, Ricimer, Geiseric, etc
My guess - Majorian makes someone who isn't his son emperor and chooses them for competency. Perhaps Marcellinus or Nepotianus, or if they are dead, he maybe chooses Julius Nepos.
Or maybe that will cause his actual children to be jealous and cause a civil war, and THAT is how the empire dies.
Maybe Majoiran lessens the power of The Emperor and chooses his sons anyways, but by the time his Children take power, the generals have all the power, and use it to expand the Empire.
@@orrorsaness5942thats literally what caused the decline of rome in the first place
I LIKE THIS TIMELINE!! AVE IMPERATOR CAESAR MAIORIANUS INVICTUS RESTITUTOR AUGUSTUS!!!!
Would be great to have a follow up to this that continues down the alternate timeline.
Discuss how the Roman Empire could have gone if the dude only made the right decision ^w^
There was an episode of Star Trek where, in an alternate time-line, Kirk and Spock find themselves in the Roman Empire in the 23rd century. 😊
How do you make the art
We need more of the Majorian timeline
Always played this in my head. Even after the burn of the fleet. He does not disband the army, but blames the Vandals, Visigoths and Suebi, just to keep the army united. Attacks the Suebi and Visigoths and plots Frank Alemani and Burguands against each other. Completely destroys all three foederati, and makes alliance with Armorica and Basque. After some territorial corrections with the Franks and Alemany and Rugi, together with Marcellinus and the East destroys the Ostrogoths and takes more land. Success after success make people forget about the Vandals, for the moment. His image cemented, he, understanding Ricimer's plot, attacks him. After a brief civil war, Majorian is free. Clean up operations againstbevery barbarian entity not on the border and than, the united attack with the East on the vandals.....just some stupid man thinking 😂..... In your scenario, would attacking the Ostrogoths before dealing with Ricimer be better to cement his aura and remove mos Ricimer's supporters? Franks we 'good' allies and Allemmani were far away for the moment. What do you think? I could be completely wrong
Wonderful video of a possibility of what could have been. Rip to the Roman Empire. The greatest empire of them all.
P.S. Could you make a what if the Romans fortified Italy and kept out the barbarian invasions maintaining,Latin rule over Italy?
The rest of the western empire would still fall.
"The greatest empire" then why is your comment in English?
@@precariousworlds3029 Rome inspired the Empires of Europe in the future. Rome brought civilization to Europe. Britannia was a colony of Rome.
Can you please do a video on Marcellinus of dalmatia I want to know more about him.
I love this alternative story though I'm afraid it's a bit too optimistic. The Romans were quite prone to civil war, and an emperor being a really good one was no guarantee that his son would be so as well, as seen in case of Marcus Aurelius.
a good successor is not too optimistic .
Would’ve been interesting if Maiorianus wanted to parade Geiseric through Rome in a Triumph before exile or more likely execution. Then Ricimer would’ve either made his move in northern Italia or waited until he could reach Geiseric himself.
As long as he fixed the succession problem nothing can stand in their way.
Ricimer, Henry Kissinger of Roman Empire
No Kissinger was not a traitor a monster yes but not a traitor.
This got my heart racing and my eyes wet!
Overall a great video and I’d love to see more!
But personally I don’t think ricimer was the James Bond villain you and others make him out to be. His actions weren’t good but I don’t think he did it with the purpose to destroy Rome and I do think he fought for Rome, he did Afterall fight off some vandal incursions years prior and later dealt with the Alans. I think his actions against Majorian were not because of evil plotting but desperation. When Majorian was defeated he’d already had issues iirc with the senate and ruling class so once he was defeated and had to disband his army it was clear he was done and so ricimer abandoned his ally and betrayed him. If Majorian had one he’d be squarely in his camp and stayed his ally.
I also don’t think Majorian had to be more distrustful either, something like the burning of his fleet is hard to avoid without hindsight or luck. Majorian was already successful and just needed the one thing to go differently to allow his victory.
Also I don’t think geinseric would’ve been executed in Carthage. There’s no way Majorian doesn’t execute him in Rome during his triumph.
Also, I don’t think he’d marry the eastern emperor’s daughter. Eudoxia. Daughter of emperor Valentinian III, who’s sister placidia had almost been married to Majorian, would make a far better choice. For she had the blood of the theodosian and valentian dynasties in her veins. Which no other women could boast. Marry her would give him the last bit of legitimacy he lacked.
no ricimer was a shitbag he is right.
Wow, amazing and moving video towards the end.
Has WRE survived, the ERE would not have lost lost Syria and Egypt for good, as they'd have the support of the West. Islam would not have spread, the Mediterranean would look radically different
I think it possible that Majorian II and his heirs would look to keep the stability of the Empire while growing in power to reconquer Britian. How long it would take to build the strentgh necessary to do so is questionable. But while in our timeline the Normans invaded Anglo-Saxon Britian, in this timeline it would be a Roman invasion, and several centuries earlier than our timeline. Even if an invasion of Britian does or does not take place, the next major problem facing this rebuilt Western Roman Empire would be what plagued the Europeans in our timeline: the North Men, Norsemen, or Vikings as we now call them. However, I think a united, Roman Europe and North Africa could have dealt with the Vikings much better than the fragmented kingdoms of Europe in our own timeline, with much bigger armies, navies, and resources than any of the fragmented kingdoms of Europe could ever bring against the Vikings. Shoud the Vikings be dealt with, who knows what the next challenge could be to this rebuilt Western Roman Empire.
Majorian the second story with need it!
U need to continue this timeline to at least the year 1,000
By the Gods I wish this was the reality
Majorian, Justinian/Belisarius, Heraclius, Charlemagnus, Arturius, Alfred, Basil, William, the Cid, Barbarossus, Baldwin, Richard.... all under one banner
Lombards, Bulgars, Muslims, Vikings, Turks, Mongols following in footsteps of Huns, Vandals, Sassanids, Parthians, Illyrians, Gauls, Samnites....
This is a pretty good what if video about an amazing character of his time. I believe without the backstabbing of his friend he would definitely have ruled a resurgent empire.
I wonder could you do the same scenario for Theodric The Great if his family line had not fallen apart, perhaps even scenario of the golf becoming more integrated with Rome and becoming Catholic. After all, I always thought, what would it be like if his golden age in Italy, had grown into a Gothic Roman empire fusion.
Can you make a video about GALLIENVS restore the empire? (Alternative History)
One Thing intrigues Me How The Basilisk Tried Ti Become Emperor Afeter All That Tragedy in Cab Bon.
I do know. Every great dynasty begins with a Caesar (like this alternative Maiorian) but ends end with a Nero (or maybe alternative Moiorian's successors, just like Theodosius the "Great" Western successors Honorius and Valentinian III). Any Imperial system's weakness is its dependence on the quality of its leader, the Emperor. Just witness, the later history of the East Roman Empire's Macedonian dynasty (mighty Basil II) which eventually lead to treachery by Alexios III and 1204 sack of Constantinople (from which it never recovered).
Reading Dr Michael Hudson's "...and forgive them their debts; Lending, Foreclosure and Redemption From Bronze Age Finance to the Jubilee Year", on page 237 I found this bit of information about Maiorianus which I thought I might share with you: "Attempts to tighten imperial tax collection were bound to alienate these officials, and especially the large landholders, who backed military warlords against emperors strong enough to restrain their grabbing. They overthrew Emperor Majorian (457-461), a former general, when in 458 he assigned tax collection to governors instead of local administrators as one of his first acts, his Novel No. 2, "On the Remission of Past Due Accounts," despite proclaiming an amnesty for land-tax arrears." You probably already knew about this, but on the off chance you weren't familiar with this I thought I would drop a few words. Excellent channel you have!
Be honest, you _really_ enjoyed scratching your head for this video 😂
If unbiased history has taught me anything
Majorian sons would immediately try to kill each other
With the worst option succeeding 🤣
currently, trying to save my Western Empire in Attila TW.. those hordes are inadequate, they dont really know what they even want