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- Three rookie WRs were selected in the top 10 of the NFL Draft: Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Nabers, and Rome Odunze. Colin Cowherd and TJ Houshmandzadeh discuss which rookie WR is most likely to succeed, and why TJ has no problem with the Atlanta Falcons drafting Michael Penix Jr. Plus, they discuss if the Chicago Bears are ready for the playoffs with Caleb Williams and Odunze.
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Odunze ‘that type of dude’, ‘No problem’ with Penix pick, Bears a playoff team? | NFL | THE HERD
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Lenox Jr. & Bo. I'm sure were on the waiting list for the Rams.
TJ is always an elite guest. I am begging for Colin to correctly pronounce Rome’s last name. How many ppl have to say it correctly in front of him for him to finally get it
can you help so i get it right
yeah its almost like hes doing it on purpose lol
@@Laotzu819OODDDUUNNZZZEEE
not adunze
OOduuunnzeh
O-dune-zay
Housh is so cool. Just class personified.
As a Bears fan I am stoked we got Rome. I love hearing TJ has worked with him so that should make him even better!
Same... TJ was involved with the predraft passing session Caleb had with DJ Moore, Kenan Allen, and Odunze... He know Cole Kemet too and has said nice things about our squad... I'm just looking forward to Bears fans being able to relax and enjoy Offensive football. We've had such brutal seasons...
I'm not a Bears fan, but I believe that the Bears are killing it...
🐻⬇️🐻⬇️🐻⬇️
Don't be too fast..they still have a lousy coach and a bad owner...
@@amadeusbender3417 Chill... Bears are undefeated right now! We're enjoying what we can, while we can...
Colin “Rome O-done-zay” Cowerd
Drives me nuts! Ugh
Michael Penix literally came on the show and corrected him, and he still can’t get it right… He claims he watched Washington several times and I can’t say Rome’s name correctly? Aggravating.
I will work for free and do the audio lol
I was about to comment on the audio. Thank you.
Make him ur intern immediately. The only thing worse than the audio is jmac
Lol literally. Was fixed for like a week and we're back to super quiet, and then "HI EVERYBODY IT'S ME UNCLE COLIN".
SIGN THIS MAN UP!
Receivers usually have big personalities and big egos - Chicagos got 3 of the best receivers in the league and none of them have that issue! Quite the opposite actually.
Facts
If Caleb is good then Chicago is so deadly because the locker room is so strong
@@johnnychimpo7539The Bears are about to be the story of the NFL all year long. Nobody has a clue what’s really coming, they will finally have a top 5 offense, potentially while the defense will be top 5, if not top 3 imo .
@@OrlandoSoto1111 I think so too. If Caleb and Rome are good..this is the best bears offense ever
The defense is so good and so young. The ceiling is so high. I hope they dominate the league
Keenan has a big personality, but his personality makes him a fan favorite. That's why Charger fans were outraged.
TJ is the reason Odunze showed up at the Williams/Moore/Allen workout prior to the draft
A lot of yall might be too young to understand but TJ was a dawg fr. Loved watching him play, his word is respected almost like Steve concerning wideouts
TJ is a good dude and he was soooo good when he was in the league. Colin you are my favorite radio show to listen to.
The problem isn't drafting Penix. It's signing Cousins and eating up the cap that could surround Penix with talent while Penix is on a rookie contract.
100%
By the time Penix is ready to play, Kirk’s cap hit is won’t really affect their ability to get talent though
@@MrDemo-mr3tu And the rookie contract is gone.
@@PeterDahu last I checked the rookie contract is 5 years and Kirk’s cap hit is only for 2 🤔
@@MrDemo-mr3tu Which kills two good years tp figure out Penix who is older is any good.
👍for TJ's comments. Great guest as always! Listen to his radio show with Plexico on the weekends!
I think you for the videos I appreciate
Colin, you NEED to hear Rome talk. He and Caleb will be the NFC version of the Bengals. Maybe better.
TJ's chin is crazy. Rome is going to be a beast. He's the guy that most challenges Marvin Harrison to me. Nabers could end up being a Ross or Watkins.
Negative. Rome and Nabers will be the two superstars. Nabers is a freak
@@johnnychimpo7539 Nabers is a freak? Pause.
Can you dig it! Because we got the streets suckas!
Lmfaooooo the quick jab then back to objectivity is killing me
@@johnnychimpo7539no diddy
No problem here with the Penix pick. Smart move Atlanta
God TJ is so smart. I’m glad he’s around these kids, but you can’t help but feel he should still be chasing competitive greatness as a NFL coach.
Colin does this weird “ya” sound after his guests make long statements. 😅
It sounds very dimmisive but I think it’s because their segments are timed and tightly structured. It’s not that he doesn’t care what they say but he just can’t elaborate on it😂 Gotta get all the questions in
Colin is from the Seattle area. People do that here. It's like a Scandinavian type thing.
Pros and Cons of drafting Penix:
Pros
1. Have a great backup in case of injury
2. Get your QB of the future (a top position) because you expect to be picking on the 20s next few years
3. Kirk can help Penix develop and strengthen his body for the future
4. Year 3 kirk will be gone and they'll have 3 good years while paying Cousins little in dead cap with a developed and stronger Penix
Cons
1. Could've used that 100 million guaranteed to sure up holes on your teams
2. Could've used that draft pick on Odunze, OL, or best defensive player along with that money to go for a Super Bowl
3. Creates QB controversy if Penix kills it in the preseason or if Cousin's struggles (no clear leader on team)
4. Penix is older than most draft picks and that's two years wasted on a rookie QB to build around
Ultimately only time will tell which side is correct
Thank you
The guys that hate on the penix pick just don’t really understand the sport at all or where it’s headed.
How can they in one segment praise the Bears #9 pick and then in the next say the Falcons didn’t want to reach on someone so they took Penix at #8. You don’t think Kirk Cousins would’ve loved getting Rome Odunze?
Do you honestly think Rome would be the missing piece to a championship team for the falcons, especially when there are other mouths to feed in Pitts, London and Bijan? I think if Penix and Rome both hit their ceiling, Penix opens that championship window much wider than Rome
@@MrDemo-mr3tu no but I don’t think the Falcons are any one piece away from a championship.
@@Puckett. I agree but I think an elite qb makes just about any decent team a championship contender. Kirk is an above average qb but not elite, but the development behind him could allow Penix to become that
@@MrDemo-mr3tu so drafting the QB4 of a class and sitting him for about half his rookie contract is going after the elite QB? Penix is a fine player but if you’re chasing SBs than you’d think they’d target a higher caliber prospect at QB maybe they get lucky but it’ll be 3 years til they find out. The QB4 who most had as the QB5 by the way.
@@Puckett. I mean QB4 by whose metrics? You have the right to your opinion, but reports have come out that he was the falcons QB2 only behind Caleb. I think he was a lot higher on actual team’s draft boards than people think, evidenced by multiple teams trying to trade up into the top 10 to draft him. Also the fact that no talent evaluators have criticized the pick because of Penix himself as a prospect, but just because the signing of Cousins before.
TJ got the juice now. 😎🫡
This guy is awesome
As a Bears fan I still think we’re a year, but a very short year away from being a confident playoff team. Interior OL could be better, would like another DT and Edge with a solidified FS for the future. Kevin Byard is a good fill in but it’s not a long term plan. Right now it feels shakey, but I hope I’m wrong! Can’t wait for this season
Sorry...I can't wait til Caleb is a bust 😂. I do like Rome tho...shame.
@packers12to80 Come back and visit this post, after the Bears beat the packers, lol
@@packers12to80ah yes, “packers12to80” I trust your unbiased and objective analysis😂
@@packers12to80 If Caleb busts then I’m done watching the Bears. This is the most bust proof prospect they’ve ever taken
@@ericp.7550 @packers12to80 won’t visit back to eat his own words. Keyboard warrior wannabe with a team that was slightly better than the Bears last year but thought they still won the Super Bowl.
You yhe best 👌
Let’s gooooo NFL!!!
I also feel like people are overreacting to the pennix pick.
Odunze...Oh-dune-zay
Rome gives me Mike Evans vibes
He's faster
I guess everybody's 'a dawg', 'a good dude', and 'that type of guy'
Agree 100% with TJ.
Can Collin pronounce his damn name right for once
Play style comparison for Rome is Davante Adams. I always loved that one as soon as I heard it.
Not for me! Davante reminds me a bit of T.O. They are more possession receivers with some speed. Rome reminds me of Larry fitzgerald.
DJ Chark to the Chargers I am a bears fan but man that is a smart signing!
I know no one from the show reads the comments. But the audio levels have been off for months. Please fix. The outro is so much louder than the main content
I wished the Bears would have gotten Jim Harbaugh for head coach and made Eberfluse as a Defensive coach that would have been awesome
Love tj
Rome is about to be that dude
Love Oduuuuunze!
How many times do people need to comment about the audio on this channel before you will do anything about it? Does anyone running the show read these comments? You can't be this inept at this level.
Colin, it's Rome Uh-DUNE-zay
TJ a top 3 guest. Make him a once a week guy nfl season
And Marvin is most definitely in the best position
the speech and delivery and signing of kirk to $100 mil was bad planning. its like drafting a kicker in the first rd.
TJ never played for Pete in Seattle.
He was there
Penix may be the one with problems with HIS injury history and NOT Kirk!:
2018: Penix suffered a season-ending ACL tear in his right knee as a true freshman1.
2019: He dislocated the SC joint in his non-throwing shoulder, which also ended his season prematurely1.
2020: Penix re-tore his ACL in the same right knee, cutting his season short once again1.
2021: He experienced a shoulder separation at his AC joint
Good observation regarding Waldron. Most of the media is not talking about Seattle's offensive performance last year. They had weapons and underperformed. Was it his play calling or did Geno take a step back. I don't blame Pete.
I agree. A lot of Seahawks fans were not happy with Waldron last year.
Regarding Penix. The reason why this is a genius move is quite simple. The NFL and their crazed fans are in the era of non-aggressive football. The emphasis is now on building a team with plentiful QB’s, WR’s, and prime protectors on the O-Line. Sadly, the days of the defensive intimidators are a thing of the past. The headhunters on the opposite side of the ball don’t sell video games and tickets, nor does the aggressive nature attract the international audience.
Teams reaching Krazy for QBs
The one argument is having the rookie qb contract. You can build around him having him making very little. Taking him and paying kirk at the same time negates the rookie scale qb contract. That's what they are not talking about.
TJ articulate. Prepared. Complimentary. That’s what I like to watch. I want to get amped about football. I can’t stand all the negative dirt dishing nonsense.
On the Seattle offense point, the interior of the offensive line was objectively terrible, and could not block for the pass or the running game. Add on playing against Aaron Donald, Armstead and the 49ers dline and a defense that couldn't stop a nose bleed, meant basically we were always throwing the ball...With a bad and injured oline...Waldron didn't help but if he learned some lessons from last season, the Bears offense should be a good one.
100% with TJ on Penix. I, too, wonder why people are so fuzzed out by that pick. Makes tons of sense to me (though I believe Penix was the 2nd best QB in this draft, not a Washington Huskies fan, either)
Age. 24 isn't old. But in NFL years as a rookie, it is. If Penix was 21 he goes number 2 maybe even number one. He's the best thrower of the football in this draft and it's no close. His tape is good. His throwing is good. He got better every year he played that's good. But he's 24 and that suddenly was being treated as if he was 40. Sure, he could fail. Every QB drafted this year could end up failures. There's never a sure thing. You keep Penix upright he's doing to be good. Maybe not great but good. He throws it to well not to be good.
@@larrylindgren9484 24 is ancient for a rookie quarterback. In the best timeline by the time he is expected to start he will be older than guys like Jalen Hurts and Jordan Love are now. And that's the first chance they can move on from Cousins without it being devastating from a cap standpoint. More likely, it's 3 seasons before they move on from Cousins which will make Penix older than guys like Tua and Herbert are today. Signing Cousins to a 4 year, $100M deal and drafting a QB at #8 cannot both be good decisions. Once they signed Cousins drafting a QB should have been out of the question. If they wanted Penix they should have signed a guy like Russell Wilson or Justin Fields to be a bridge QB. Doing both just makes both decisions worse. You cannot go all in with Cousins and you cannot fully transition to Penix and take advantage of the rookie contract.
The Falcons are saying that they view this like the Jordan Love selection. The fundamental differences there are Jordan Love being much younger and Jordan Love being picked at the end of the 1st round.
Gee . . . Rome with Caleb, Nabers with Jones, Marvin Jr. With Kyler, Which pair would you pick for a WR QB duo ?
Either Worthy with Mahomes, or Coleman with Allen.
The problem is Penix is already 24 .
You!!!
colin saying penix throws a better deep ball then kirk is wild!!!! lets me know he doesnt watch football
Acting like the Falcons roster, specifically the defense is built to go deep in the playoffs.
oh-doon-zay
Best interview in sports history
There's a problem with the volume on these interviews. Every other youtube video is at a normal volume, then Colin's are hella quiet
Theyre missing the point on the Cousins/Penix situation. Its not that they drafted Penix, its all the $$$$$$$$$$ they gave Cousins, when they couldve traded a 5th for Fields, and had him and Penix battle it out.
bo nix very well could win rookie of the year just cause of his play style and sean payton.
Throwing up, don’t mean nothing always talking about who throws the ball😂😂😂😂
Tj🔥
We won't be a wild card team "we taking the north and never giving it back" 🐻
Only video I have seen defending the Falcons draft pick. They never had a succession plan post Matt Ryan. They tried to get Deshaun, glad it didn’t work out. Mariota is not a starter and Ridder failed to prove he could be the franchise qb. Heinicke was always just a okay backup, certainly better than Ridder. You see Penix is still there, go and take him while you can if you really believe he’s the guy for the next decade.
18:21 this stat exists yet people will stll maintain that Herbert is overrated, completely disregarding some of the worst situational playcalling the sport has ever seen, and a horrible defense, both coming from a defensive minded HC with no feel for the game 😮💨
A few punts here and there (instead of going for it on 4th down in your own territory with a horrible defense), and a few well placed field goals (taking the points you can get rather than leaving so many points on the field, only to lose games by a fewer amount of points you could've had in FG tries), and the narrative surrounding Herbert's name would be completely different. If you don't think so, see Joe Burrow's SB run, where his coach knew when to punt and take the points they could get. Then see how Burrow has an absolutely horrendous first half of the season last year after getting paid and people still has no worries about him as a QB.....
The problem with the Penix pick is, if that was your plan all along, why not just draft and start him? And surround him with $45M more of help? Instead of now having almost $60M of cap space spent on QBs now.
“Throw a WR Open” is the biggest myth in football.
Heard Washington fans say Polk was better than Rome.
Just playin I’m a pats fan so I’m just hoping he will be lol. I like Rome a lot he’s a great dude with a great attitude. Hopefully Caleb lives up to the hype and just won’t be a normal #1 bust like usual. Personally I don’t trust Caleb but he might prove me wrong
Jaylen made some insane catches and he filled in for McMillan (the #2 wr) perfectly. He has hands for days. It's just his route running needs to be polished buts he still balls out.
Dj as well
Don't understand? A team only has so many resources to build the team with. Atlanta just spent twice on the same position. It would be like me buying two cars. I can only drive one at a time, and now I can't afford that vacation. Atlanta just paid top dollar for a used KIA with a rebuilt engine, then went out and bought a new car. Opportunity cost is the REAL cost.
So you think they should play without a backup QB? And Penix only costs them 9 million per year, which is not expensive for a backup QB. BTW, I have two cars, and it is not stupid to do that.
C'mon best WR draft? Better than Julio and A.J Green draft?
I think the bears will challenge the packers for 2nd in division and thats coming from a lions fan
Division going to be a dogfight… i think Lions will challenge Packers for 2 nd 🤷🏻♂️😊 …. but not writing Vikings off either 🐻🔽
I think it was smart also for the Falcons to take Penix. It’s not like they were away from winning in the Super Bowl if they took someone else.😂
Playoffs?,,,,, PLAYOFFS?,,,,, gotta win in the division first!....
“Purdy isn’t really a downfield thrower.”
My guy literally led the league in down field passing and mid field passing, including accuracy / efficiency.
Cringe
COLIN FIX THE AUDIO!!!!
Dooneza not donesa😂
Cus maybe dude is gonna be 27 in 2yrs?. And if Kirk is what Atlanta hopes he is, then it’s the fact you wasted a top 10 pick that could’ve helped you NOW even more. They should’ve drafted McCarthy if the plan was to sit the qb for 2 yrs
I hate hearing this as a packers fan lol. I’m glad the dude is good though.
TJ is a nice guy, but as analyst you can’t say everyone is the best thing ever before losing credibility. He is afraid to say a negative thing about anyone even though the track record of 1st round picks that are actually workout is nowhere close to 100%
Oregon State beavers baller in the house baby
IF YOU LOVED PENIX ENOUGH TO PICK HIM AT 8 YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU SIGNED COUSINS!! Makes no sense to do both!!
Exactly they knew their draft position at the end of December, everyone knew Penix and Nix would fall. So why pay Cousins all that money
Predicting the future is not as easy for some people… let it go!
Well what happened to cousins last year Aaron Rodgers... Older quarterbacks get hurt easier this might turn out to be a great pick... And when is the next chance Atlanta is going to get to pick this high and get a quarterback at this level out of the draft.
I'm guessing this is a good pick that could turn into a great pick
Some people, no matter how things are broken down just don't have the intelligence to understand @@RRR-ox9ud
You are a bird brain. They signed Kirk because THEY KNEW THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP PENIX. KIRK WILL TEACH A QB HOW TO PLAY NFL QB AND LEAD MEN.
The problem is you “passed” on rome…. Like green bay passed on higgins and pitman….. think about the superbowls greenbay would have if they had highins
Stop defending Atlanta . They passed on Odunze or Bowers or the best defensive player in the draft
Doesn't matter.
we're fittin to see the
best of Drake London
Atlanta has plenty of weapons. The top defensive player in the draft was not taken til the teens and probably wont make that big of an impact. Cousins gets hurt guess what you have a first round talent young stud qb who's more athletic and throws the ball better than Cousins and alot of yall want to complain about it... smh
@chrismalik1579 and then they're paying a QB over 100 million for no reason. Smart play!
@chrismalik1579 the move made no sense.
🤡🤡🤡
I hope ppl aren’t shocked and try to slight Caleb if they aren’t quiet as good as ppl want to believe first yr in. I do think he’ll live up to the hype. But all this “they’re gonna win 10 game” from nick wright and some others is kinda crazy to me. They all swear CJ stroud situation is just easy to recreate but if it was every time would do it lol. I like everything the bears did i just think ppl need to slow down.
All these upgrades and won 7 last year …..3 more win’s doesn’t seem a stretch at all to me …. we will see 🐻🔽
Atlanta could have had "that type of dude" to pair with Kyle Pitts and give Cousins more weapons. Instead they have a benchwarmer.
Colin: Purdy can't throw the deep ball.
Reality: Purdy was one of the better deep ball passers last year.
he wasn't. Allen, Herbert, and Mahomes have great deep balls. Having a great deep ball doesn't mean hitting a wide open guy 25+ yards down the field due to Shanny's scheme. It means making throws nobody else can make on a rope. Purdy sucks and he's the reason they lost the SB. That and Shanny not running the ball
@spearofconquest Actually, it generally means just that. People need to stop making stuff up. Most times he's leading a receiver down the field.
Purdy is not a great deep ball threat. He is mediocre at best throwing deep. (to guys that are wide open and he has a clean pocket)
@@paulmartin2348 He led the league in deep balls well into the season. You can spin it however you want but he's an accurate deep ball passer.
Denial runs deep though.
Marvin will eat that dude up😂😂😂😂
Penix will be starting before the 2024 season is over.
All CHICAGO BEARS FANS ARE HOPING FOR IS. THAT CALEB WILLIAMS DOES NOT TURN OUT LIKE FORMER STANDOUT COLLEGE USC QBS'. GREAT IN COLLEGE, BUSTS IN NFL.
GET THE YOUNG MAN SO OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.
AND A COUPLE ON THE DEFENSE LINE. AND THE BEAR SHOULD BE OKAY.
Stupid decision to draft penix.. watched plenty of people say they talked to multiple GM's and all of them said they were shocked and dumfounded
As a bears fan, im double glad falcons took penix. I rather vikings get McCarthy and that pick gave the bears, odunze too. Falcons killed 2 birds with one stone for the Bears
Colin blocked TJs blessing with that coach job
We drafted penix to high
They just jinxed the guy.
I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota won the Superbowl in JJ McCarthy's rookie season.
I like JJ … Chicago guy won a state title at Nazareth Academy. NFC north going to be a dogfight… probably best division in league… but it’s Bears time 🐻🔽
@@kevinruff1451 No sir. Caleb couldn't even win a PAC 12 championship in college. Every Heisman winning QB except for Roger Staubach has been a bust in the NFL. That's not gonna change with Caleb or Jayden.