A classic Dorn moment that's so often referred to in terms of which Primarch is the strongest but I don't see it mentioned quite as often in the list of brutally emotional moments. I feel it captures the Heresy incredibly well, the tragedy of the whole thing. I am uncertain about the voice for Alpharius but, on that front, I could do a different voice for him in each video and it would be just as accurate! Like, Comment and Subscribe if you enjoyed! The usual youtube things! and, my thanks for watching!
Obviously my voice would fit him best, for I am Alpharius. Or my dog, who is also secretly Alpharius. Or my boss at work, who is *also* Alpharius. Or you, who has actually been Alpharius this whole time.
This is epic and I like the you get any voice is alparesu( I'm drunk not even trying atm my bad) this I think is the perfect fight I mean why would he thing dorn would do anything else but this was the point or human and I love it
@@deathclaw1001 I fully agree. As much as I love the AL, Alpharius had a thousand chances beforehand to play his cards right, instead he took the third option and lost his head. And arms. And chest.
I think this is one of the best fights the BL has written, not so much for the fight itself, but for how well it represents the combatants. Only Alpharius would have had the conceit to trap another primarch, much less Dorn, and try to talk to him. Only Dorn would have given his brother absolutely no deference and fought without hearing or even arguing against him. Unless I'm mistaken, we haven't heard from Alpharius for a while. He may well have figured out something real, something that might actually have been able to avert the inevitable. Nobody will ever know because Dorn was obviously having none of that. It was a great way for the writers to kick off the Solar War proper.
I don't think Alpharius figured anything out, I think he believed that the big E wanted chaos destroyed above everything, and he saw in the future that this would happen if Horus won. Because he knew that if the traitors won, chaos would fade within a millenia, so why else fight for them?
@@anguswaterhouse9255 An Alien Cabal showed Alpharius that Chaos would starve if Humanity destroys itself and he thought that this is the Emperors Goal. So he sided with Horus to help the Emperor with that, which is just stupid. So he (at least thought he) was loyal to the Emperor but he betrayed Humanity, which is even worse.
I recall it was the traitor twin that died here, the other Omegon staying with Horus as Alpharius. Either way it was a really and I mean REALLY dumb idea to: Step 1: Attack, harass and troll Rogal. Step 2: CHALLENGE Dorn to a fight. Step 3: kill his sons and capture his Arkemis. Step 4: “Brother I wanna talk” not even I’m not a traitor just you don’t understand why I attacked you. Step 5:……Profit! Step 6: defeat Horus or the Emperor?????
Alpharius: Stabs Dorn in the shoulder. Dorn: You jump to it, and you can’t go through it, and you can’t knock it down. You know that you’ve found, THE WALL!!!!
When Sigismund is given the black sword, its like he's been given a fraction of Dorn's absolute certainty and fortitude. Where it makes no odds what their opposition is saying (or trying to say), there is only one thing Dorn or Sigismund wants to say, they say it with their blades edge and their enemies blood.
Ngl I always saw him as a fool who took the word of the Cabal and was too blind to know that Dorn was there to kill him Omegon> got my respect because that’s one tough situation to deal with and he still stayed somewhat Loyal to Big E
Yes. He is without doubt the most useless primarch. He had foreknowledge of the heresy. He could have gone to the emperor. But he thought he was too smart.
@@bengeorge9063not quite Take it from the perspective. If it was the first founding… well, he would’ve known the full history. If it was the second found later- he would have not had full context. So… In summary if this is the 1st it is a dumb move. If it is the 2nd it is an attempt to talk to Dorn and show that it isn’t working, his way is better. In summary an attempt to out do his brother who had longer history with the emporium . So yeah, them not sharing every story for pretty obvious reasons would lead to one of their deaths. Imagine having a twin. Now your best friend who is still mad that you’ve ruined his marriage by sleeping with his wife while drunk has your twin meeting him after a few years… at the hardware store. “Oh hey me and Dorn have bad blood or he thinks we do, so he won’t really listen if you do work around him” -not really an important detail as that really isn’t going to be the case because of said bad blood or the refusal to work together… add to the fact the heresy is underway.
@@silent_stalker3687 I believe Omegon (who was secretly the last primarch found and was a traitor, but also sought to destroy Chaos) was the one who died on Pluto, masquerading as Alpharius. Alpharius (who was secretly the first primarch found, and was a loyalist), who had masqueraded as Omegon up to this point, was forced to take/re-take Omegon's place as Alpharius when he sensed Omegon was killed.
@@brianpj5860After Alpharius died Alpharius sensed the death of Alpharius so Alpharius remained as Alpharius to keep the understanding that Alpharius lived on but was actually not Alpharius but is still Alpharius.
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Man that's actually pretty sad, alpha legion is all about espionage and he kept trying to tell Dorn something but he wouldn't listen, what if he was actually a loyalist spy the whole time?
It’s quite likely that at least one of the twins - if not both - were carrying out some kind of plan of the Emperor’s. What this plan is, what it could still be, or what state it is in can’t be known, but several hints point to it. First and most obvious is the last interaction the Emperor and Malcador have before the duel with Horus. The Emperor and Malcador are playing a game, and Malcador appears to be about to win with no play for the Emperor to make. However, the Emperor holds up a card of the Twins and suggests that everything rests on them. It is a clear allusion to the choice the Twins make, which will either win the game or lose it - the Imperium succeeds or it dies. Further circumstantial evidence is the existence of Alpha legionaries in stasis below the Imperial Palace. Guarded by Custodes, these legionaries can be awoken with a pass phrase. More revealing, these legionaries can be made loyalist, traitor, or no loyalty whatsoever with the right pass phrase. Why would the Emperor create legionaries that can be made to be traitors to him? To act against his interests? It only makes sense if they are used as a form of double agent in some greater plan. Of course, this is the Alpha legion. Secrets, spying, misdirection, and lies are their bread and butter. We know next to nothing about what Alpharius or Omegon were tasked with by the Emperor. But it is quite strange to me that Alpharius would attempt to parley with the only brother that almost certainly wouldn’t hear him out, and do so after openly waging war on the Imperium. Alpharius was not a great warrior by Primarch standards, and would certainly lose to Dorn. He was far too intelligent to believe he could lure Dorn into a confrontation and be able to talk it out. If Alpharius didn’t want to confront Dorn, he could certainly disappear easily. If Alpharius merely had information to give Dorn, he could do it a 1000 different ways than face to face. No, there was intention here. Alpharius had to die by Dorn’s hand in order to carry out whatever plan the Emperor gave him.
I like the conversation Dorn has with Alpharius earlier in the book after a compliance. The Alpha Legion, acting independently, had essentially completely dismantled the planet's ruling class through espionage and assassinations creating widespread disorder throughout the hives and Dorn thinks it had cost them true compliance. It almost makes me think that the Alpharius' entire motivation throughout the Praetorian of Dorn is just petty revenge because Rogal once threw a better version of the Alpha Legion's strategy right into his face just ruin Alpharius' victory. "Impressive but you coulda done it better". Edit/Request: Please narrate Curze and The Lion parlay from Savage Weapons.
Alpharius thought that he was so smart & tricky... Dorn was very open about the fact that he could always tell who Alpharius was, Alpharius never believed him which is why he thought that trick would work to allow a conversation. Dorn wasn't interested in a conversation and just slaughtered Alpharius like it wasn't really that big of deal... let Alpharius play his tricks thinking it is winning, then catching the haft of the spear to cut off Alpharius hands before chopping him up further.
Leman Russ also knew who alpharius and omegon truly were, some primarchs knew but others truly didn’t, that’s why omegon is probably the loyalist, probably impersonating cypher, alpharius was just way to arrogant and thought he could do this to show them this is what chaos is going to be doing
@Blackdynamite41 Omegon only stayed "loyalist" to Alpharius "traitor" as a counterbalance... I mean Omegon foiled some major Alpha Legion operations before Alpharius was executed. But after that then Omegon slipped into being Alpharius & adopted those positions once he felt his twins death.
@maltheri9833 Alpharius was committed to having Chaos "win" since he was totally sold on The Cabal plan of sacrificing humanity as a means to burn the unnatural Chaos corruption out of the Warp. Alpharius was NEVER a Loyalist since he was by far the biggest traitor of them all... none of the others wanted to wipe out humanity, that alone was Alpharius then by extension Omegon when he took on the Alpharius role following Alpharius execution.
I'm still on the opinion that the fallen twin is Omegon, especially due to the nature how the fight with Dorn went verbally. During the Great Crusade Omegon was scrutinized by Dorn and Guilliman of his conquests as too easy or as too heavy casualty numbers, regarding which was the previous complaint. As far as I remember, we don't have scene where Aplharius and Omegon would had changed their identities back, meaning that Omegon would be Alpharius. Considering what he says to Dorn while the fight foes on, knowing that he's wearing Omegon's custom armor and his spear, I would say it's at leasst somewhat reasonable assumption to make. That would leave Omegon (the actual Alpharius) being left alone, falsifying his death (as she bright flash Primarch's death results, was never mentioned unlike at Pluto station) and scattering his Legion until it's his time to return. We know there is Alpha legionnaired under the Imperial Palace in Terra, whom only needs an activation code to be either loyal or traitor. Alpharius's reason of existence was to be the contingency plan were the Empire fall and was raised in total secrecy. Now that Lion and Guilliman are back and Harrowmaster is doing his thing as modern Alpha legionnaire, I just strongly feel that it is time for Alpharius to return, activate those Heresy- era legionnaires and start to wreak havok on Harrowmaster. We need that espionage style of approach to the setting more, especially now that Alpha legion has got much more lore around them that could be basis for the return of the Loyal Alpha Primarch. But that's just my crackpot Hydra Dominatus mind going full throttle, hoping and possibly coping for the proper return of my favorite Legion/faction or whatever you choose to call them.
You are not alone in thinking this , I am pretty certain this is Omegon that dorn has slain. Alpharius would never go 1 on 1 with Dorn unless he knew he would win with 100% certainty. This is Omegon not Alpharius. Guillimon killed a Alpha Legionnaire that’s why there was no white flash when he died… Alpharius lives!
Jesus christ, you dumb alpha legion fanboys are STILL on this. It was explicitly stated by the author that Alpharius is dead. It was even shown later that Omegon feels and senses Alpharius’ death. Alpharius is dead, get over it.
I just find it stupid that Alpharius was meant to be so smart, well educated etc, and he just takes the Cabals plan with really no proper deliberation. Eldrad destroyed the Cabal because their plan of genociding an entire species was asinine, surely Alpharius should've been capable of the same conclusion.
One of the better heresy books tbf. The opening where all the alpha legion cells are coming online, being dug up etc is amazing. Dips a bit when it mainly goes to follow the 2 imperial fists with the personality’s of a bowl of porridge
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Not too far-fetched an idea. Alpharius played a version of the Blood Games with the Custodes while he was raised by Big E on Terra. He succeeded in at least a couple of his play-attempts to assassinate the Emperor, proving himself quite capable with misdirection and espionage. For context, Alpharius was secretly the first primarch to be found, whose pod (which had functionally been split in half during the Chaos Gods' attempted theft when they and Big E played tug of war with this last pod, hence Omegon incidentally coming into existence when the other half of Alpharius' Warp essence cultivated into a form of his own upon landing on his own world) had landed in the mountains just outside the location of Emp's lab.
I know people are saying it was omegaon, but out of all the siblings, i think dorn would know his siblings the most, so i believe omegon is still out there and alpharius is dead
Not quite true, Alpharius never introduced himself as Primarch during the Unification war, even when facing Lion el'johnson he assigned himself as a high rank astartes instead of a primarch, and funnily... the Lion believed this. On the XXth Primarch official public announcement, it was Omegon who showed himself to the public as Alpharius Omegon. This was a mutual agreement from the twin that Omegon will keep Alpharius as a secret from everyone in the imperium. That includes any other Primarch. So Rogal Dorn knew to detail exactly the face of Alpharius (which was actually Omegon's face all along) but he never actually met Alpharius. Only Valdor, Malcador, Emperor, Lion (without realizing), Russ (without realizing) has actually seen the true Alpharius.
@Hagrovreka what? The unifaction wars were on terra after that is the great crusade and then the horus heresy, unless gw facked up the lore again with this then no dorn would have met alpharius and omegon
@@theenderdestruction2362 right, my mistake. let me correct this, in the great crusade Alpharius was first found even before Horus (mentioned in Head of The Hydra book). His arrival wasn't publicly told, rather he was kept secret by Emperor and Malcador himself. Alpharius mentioned that he was present (along with the Emperor) in almost every discovery of lost Primarchs BUT never as a Primarch himself, rather disguised as a Legionnaire. He continues to do this even in the Rang-Dan third war, where him and the Lion met face to face, Alpharius introduced himself with his real name but not his title as Primarch, and Lion believed that he was just a common high rank legionnaire. Regarding the public reveal of XXth Primarch that was found by Horus Lupercal, the twin agreed that Omegon would take Alpharius name and become the face of Alpha Legion, keeping Alpharius original objective as "sword of darkness" for the empire. Alpharius has been absent ever since, hiding in plain sight.
@Hagrovreka the alpharius book is something i would consider not to be trusted, its more of a unreliable narrator then anything concrete after all alpharius and omegon are not exactly the most trustowrthy of people so i take everything the book has to say with a moutain of salt as alpharius most famous thing is litterly him saying "i am alpharius, this is a lie" not something someone trust worthy would say, so even then its kinda hard to not know how a primarch aura is even for the less psycicly gifted as im sure the lion would have felt this "astartes" having a comeplelty different aura then a normal one
@@theenderdestruction2362 The book is comprehensive if you're understand the flow of it's deception. the first phrase of the book "I am Alpharius, this is a lie" interconnected with the last phrase of the book itself "I am Alpharius, this was a lie". This was said because the first chapter and the last was narrated by Omegon. The rest of the middle part was narrated both by the Alpharius and Omegon. If you can't make sure which, Omegon's part always begins with an Alpha legion sigil but without title, those are addition of Omegon while the chapters with title are Alpharius's (excluding Prologue and Epilogue) I myself am Alpharius, but such a name does not matter, only our function matters.
@joesheridan9451 Alpha Legion & Night Lords... where do you think all this Alpharius stuff comes from? (Which is a very recent phenomenon much like the Custodes hardons everyone seems to have lately.)
@@nationalsocialism3504 Your talking absoloute shite. In the nightlords books they are constantly getting beat up and on the backfoot and he shows that they are the most cowardly legion with the least honour... And despite that he made tons of people still like them. That's the absolute opposite of Matt Ward you clown. And I'm pretty sure ADB has not written a single book about the alpha legion lol...
Alpharius is the Primarch of the alpha legion, the legion of schemes, lies and treachery. He had already declared himself follower of Horus. Rogal Dorn is the primach of the imperial Fists, pretorian of terra, the most loyal and honest of all the Primarchs. He hate all lies, and everything that is honorless. Now you put the traitor master of lies against the loyalist master of truth and honor and you expect Rogal to listen to the guy that is litteraly made out of lies when he say after killing many loyalists "don't worry man, i'm on your side trust me !". What would you do ?
He did not enjoy doing this . He is ashamed that his brothers turned and he was forced to kill one . He just did what needed to be done and doesn't want to talk about it . Dorn barely ever talks unless absolutely necessary . He didn't even speak to his own legion when they first met . So him not talking about it fits perfectly with his personality
@@commissaryarrick9670 it was a damn important information to keep for himself alone though, they were in the middle of a war there and even after the Heresy the secret of Alpharius' death might had had some consequences, for example if the Battle of Eskrador was an actual event it would had been extremely important for Guilliman to know that Alpharius was dead and someone else must had been leading the Alpha Legion there.
It was Omegon Dorn killed..I am Alpharius...WE ARE ALPHARIUS...when Dorn pointed his finger at ALPHARIUS 👉 he never realized 3 finger were pointing back at himself....
@@joshley1320did you read the primarch book? Omegon was posing as alpharius. It’s the alpha legion nothing is face value. Omegon sided with Horus and alpharius eventually decides against his brother, and goes with the option where the emperor wins but slowly dies. Alpharius was the first to be found on terra, while omegon was found on that world with the Hrud and last to be found. He’s loyal to the throne but his legion is largely not.
@@cottermcg123 I believe Omegon was indeed part of the traitors, but was opposing Big E for the purposes of ending Chaos, as the Cabal had explained to him, whether the concept coming to fruition could be proven real or not. And wasn't it slaugth, not hrud? I could be mistaken there.
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@@joshley1320 I mean a bit more than that. He responded to Fulgrim saying he wanted to kill Horus but would settle for Fulgrim. How he knew about the plan set up by Abbadon and the others. While on the other hand Alpharius is at face value goading him playing off his anger to try to get him to strike but at the same time telling him the only reason he attacked where he did was to show Dorn where the weaknesses in the Sol System defenses were. After being able to stew on it my personal opinion is now that he didn’t respond or really listen as I think his anger got the better of him in this instance.
@@DocLeQuack that is probably the reasons dorn has a habit of just not talking whilst fighting because he doesn’t really want to kill his brothers and listening to them might make him stutter so he just turns of everything and kills
No he actually did. When a primarch dies, the result is often a thunderous explosion of bright light as the warp god used to make them escapes back into the Warp. That’s what happened here, so Alpharius is _very_ much dead. You can’t exactly fake something like that
A classic Dorn moment that's so often referred to in terms of which Primarch is the strongest but I don't see it mentioned quite as often in the list of brutally emotional moments. I feel it captures the Heresy incredibly well, the tragedy of the whole thing.
I am uncertain about the voice for Alpharius but, on that front, I could do a different voice for him in each video and it would be just as accurate!
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Obviously my voice would fit him best, for I am Alpharius. Or my dog, who is also secretly Alpharius. Or my boss at work, who is *also* Alpharius. Or you, who has actually been Alpharius this whole time.
This is epic and I like the you get any voice is alparesu( I'm drunk not even trying atm my bad) this I think is the perfect fight I mean why would he thing dorn would do anything else but this was the point or human and I love it
@bobbilly3606 would have started as I blank would of course.....add here......and here.....and here ..here oh!.. here and here
Dorn's actual superpower: Immunity to monologuing
Well said
literally based
Alpharius : hey dorn lets talk
Rogal Dorn : sorry i cant hear you over storms teeth
“WHAT?!”
“I sa-“
(Disemboweled)
Alpharius: 'hey brother I have important information for you!'
Dorn: 'TOO MANY YEARS TOO LATE FUCKASS'
Fuckass is my new favourite term
Well, Alpharius and his legion are known liars, Dorn couldnt take that chance
@@deathclaw1001 I fully agree. As much as I love the AL, Alpharius had a thousand chances beforehand to play his cards right, instead he took the third option and lost his head. And arms. And chest.
Alpharius: Dorn let's talk this out.
Dorn: No.
No, your actions speak louder than Storm's teeth
I think this is one of the best fights the BL has written, not so much for the fight itself, but for how well it represents the combatants. Only Alpharius would have had the conceit to trap another primarch, much less Dorn, and try to talk to him. Only Dorn would have given his brother absolutely no deference and fought without hearing or even arguing against him. Unless I'm mistaken, we haven't heard from Alpharius for a while. He may well have figured out something real, something that might actually have been able to avert the inevitable. Nobody will ever know because Dorn was obviously having none of that. It was a great way for the writers to kick off the Solar War proper.
You haven't heard from Alpharius because he died on pluto leaving his twin alone
I don't think Alpharius figured anything out, I think he believed that the big E wanted chaos destroyed above everything, and he saw in the future that this would happen if Horus won.
Because he knew that if the traitors won, chaos would fade within a millenia, so why else fight for them?
Because hes dead and omegon is the only one alive
Died? I don't remember dying...
I am Alpharius.
@@anguswaterhouse9255 An Alien Cabal showed Alpharius that Chaos would starve if Humanity destroys itself and he thought that this is the Emperors Goal. So he sided with Horus to help the Emperor with that, which is just stupid.
So he (at least thought he) was loyal to the Emperor but he betrayed Humanity, which is even worse.
The tragedy is that this might have been Alpharius legitimately telling the truth as the twin that wanted to kill Chaos, and he died here for it
I recall it was the traitor twin that died here, the other Omegon staying with Horus as Alpharius. Either way it was a really and I mean REALLY dumb idea to:
Step 1: Attack, harass and troll Rogal.
Step 2: CHALLENGE Dorn to a fight.
Step 3: kill his sons and capture his Arkemis.
Step 4: “Brother I wanna talk” not even I’m not a traitor just you don’t understand why I attacked you.
Step 5:……Profit!
Step 6: defeat Horus or the Emperor?????
While that may be true, i think they were both corrupted by Tzeench.
@@jeftecoutinho Honestly that would make perfect sense.
Alpharius: Stabs Dorn in the shoulder.
Dorn: You jump to it, and you can’t go through it, and you can’t knock it down. You know that you’ve found, THE WALL!!!!
When Sigismund is given the black sword, its like he's been given a fraction of Dorn's absolute certainty and fortitude. Where it makes no odds what their opposition is saying (or trying to say), there is only one thing Dorn or Sigismund wants to say, they say it with their blades edge and their enemies blood.
Ngl I always saw him as a fool who took the word of the Cabal and was too blind to know that Dorn was there to kill him Omegon> got my respect because that’s one tough situation to deal with and he still stayed somewhat Loyal to Big E
Yes. He is without doubt the most useless primarch. He had foreknowledge of the heresy. He could have gone to the emperor. But he thought he was too smart.
@@bengeorge9063not quite
Take it from the perspective.
If it was the first founding… well, he would’ve known the full history.
If it was the second found later- he would have not had full context.
So…
In summary if this is the 1st it is a dumb move.
If it is the 2nd it is an attempt to talk to Dorn and show that it isn’t working, his way is better.
In summary an attempt to out do his brother who had longer history with the emporium .
So yeah, them not sharing every story for pretty obvious reasons would lead to one of their deaths.
Imagine having a twin.
Now your best friend who is still mad that you’ve ruined his marriage by sleeping with his wife while drunk has your twin meeting him after a few years… at the hardware store.
“Oh hey me and Dorn have bad blood or he thinks we do, so he won’t really listen if you do work around him”
-not really an important detail as that really isn’t going to be the case because of said bad blood or the refusal to work together… add to the fact the heresy is underway.
@@silent_stalker3687 I believe Omegon (who was secretly the last primarch found and was a traitor, but also sought to destroy Chaos) was the one who died on Pluto, masquerading as Alpharius.
Alpharius (who was secretly the first primarch found, and was a loyalist), who had masqueraded as Omegon up to this point, was forced to take/re-take Omegon's place as Alpharius when he sensed Omegon was killed.
@@HelghastTrooperthat is pretty much how most people see it. But its nice that they left such things open for interpretation.
@@brianpj5860After Alpharius died Alpharius sensed the death of Alpharius so Alpharius remained as Alpharius to keep the understanding that Alpharius lived on but was actually not Alpharius but is still Alpharius.
Your voice for Alpharius is exquisite.
i swear id listen to an entire audible book of you reading, got a good story telling voice
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Oh no Dorn can't hear him he has airpods in!
Alpharius really picked the wrong brother for a chat.
Man that's actually pretty sad, alpha legion is all about espionage and he kept trying to tell Dorn something but he wouldn't listen, what if he was actually a loyalist spy the whole time?
Then he should have known better than to approach dorn of all people with his info,
@@ianharrison5758right
Dorn may be one of the colder Primarchs but when his blood is up he ain’t having any words from his enemies
You realize that the opening of the novel is the Alpha Legion orchestrating a 9/11 within the walls of the Sanctum Imperialis?
Didn't matter anymore he crossed so many lines he may have well been chaos.
It’s quite likely that at least one of the twins - if not both - were carrying out some kind of plan of the Emperor’s. What this plan is, what it could still be, or what state it is in can’t be known, but several hints point to it. First and most obvious is the last interaction the Emperor and Malcador have before the duel with Horus. The Emperor and Malcador are playing a game, and Malcador appears to be about to win with no play for the Emperor to make. However, the Emperor holds up a card of the Twins and suggests that everything rests on them. It is a clear allusion to the choice the Twins make, which will either win the game or lose it - the Imperium succeeds or it dies.
Further circumstantial evidence is the existence of Alpha legionaries in stasis below the Imperial Palace. Guarded by Custodes, these legionaries can be awoken with a pass phrase. More revealing, these legionaries can be made loyalist, traitor, or no loyalty whatsoever with the right pass phrase. Why would the Emperor create legionaries that can be made to be traitors to him? To act against his interests? It only makes sense if they are used as a form of double agent in some greater plan.
Of course, this is the Alpha legion. Secrets, spying, misdirection, and lies are their bread and butter. We know next to nothing about what Alpharius or Omegon were tasked with by the Emperor. But it is quite strange to me that Alpharius would attempt to parley with the only brother that almost certainly wouldn’t hear him out, and do so after openly waging war on the Imperium. Alpharius was not a great warrior by Primarch standards, and would certainly lose to Dorn. He was far too intelligent to believe he could lure Dorn into a confrontation and be able to talk it out. If Alpharius didn’t want to confront Dorn, he could certainly disappear easily. If Alpharius merely had information to give Dorn, he could do it a 1000 different ways than face to face. No, there was intention here. Alpharius had to die by Dorn’s hand in order to carry out whatever plan the Emperor gave him.
I like the conversation Dorn has with Alpharius earlier in the book after a compliance. The Alpha Legion, acting independently, had essentially completely dismantled the planet's ruling class through espionage and assassinations creating widespread disorder throughout the hives and Dorn thinks it had cost them true compliance. It almost makes me think that the Alpharius' entire motivation throughout the Praetorian of Dorn is just petty revenge because Rogal once threw a better version of the Alpha Legion's strategy right into his face just ruin Alpharius' victory. "Impressive but you coulda done it better".
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Alpharius thought that he was so smart & tricky... Dorn was very open about the fact that he could always tell who Alpharius was, Alpharius never believed him which is why he thought that trick would work to allow a conversation. Dorn wasn't interested in a conversation and just slaughtered Alpharius like it wasn't really that big of deal... let Alpharius play his tricks thinking it is winning, then catching the haft of the spear to cut off Alpharius hands before chopping him up further.
Leman Russ also knew who alpharius and omegon truly were, some primarchs knew but others truly didn’t, that’s why omegon is probably the loyalist, probably impersonating cypher, alpharius was just way to arrogant and thought he could do this to show them this is what chaos is going to be doing
@Blackdynamite41 Omegon only stayed "loyalist" to Alpharius "traitor" as a counterbalance... I mean Omegon foiled some major Alpha Legion operations before Alpharius was executed. But after that then Omegon slipped into being Alpharius & adopted those positions once he felt his twins death.
@maltheri9833 Alpharius was committed to having Chaos "win" since he was totally sold on The Cabal plan of sacrificing humanity as a means to burn the unnatural Chaos corruption out of the Warp. Alpharius was NEVER a Loyalist since he was by far the biggest traitor of them all... none of the others wanted to wipe out humanity, that alone was Alpharius then by extension Omegon when he took on the Alpharius role following Alpharius execution.
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I'm still on the opinion that the fallen twin is Omegon, especially due to the nature how the fight with Dorn went verbally.
During the Great Crusade Omegon was scrutinized by Dorn and Guilliman of his conquests as too easy or as too heavy casualty numbers, regarding which was the previous complaint.
As far as I remember, we don't have scene where Aplharius and Omegon would had changed their identities back, meaning that Omegon would be Alpharius.
Considering what he says to Dorn while the fight foes on, knowing that he's wearing Omegon's custom armor and his spear, I would say it's at leasst somewhat reasonable assumption to make. That would leave Omegon (the actual Alpharius) being left alone, falsifying his death (as she bright flash Primarch's death results, was never mentioned unlike at Pluto station) and scattering his Legion until it's his time to return.
We know there is Alpha legionnaired under the Imperial Palace in Terra, whom only needs an activation code to be either loyal or traitor. Alpharius's reason of existence was to be the contingency plan were the Empire fall and was raised in total secrecy.
Now that Lion and Guilliman are back and Harrowmaster is doing his thing as modern Alpha legionnaire, I just strongly feel that it is time for Alpharius to return, activate those Heresy- era legionnaires and start to wreak havok on Harrowmaster.
We need that espionage style of approach to the setting more, especially now that Alpha legion has got much more lore around them that could be basis for the return of the Loyal Alpha Primarch.
But that's just my crackpot Hydra Dominatus mind going full throttle, hoping and possibly coping for the proper return of my favorite Legion/faction or whatever you choose to call them.
You are not alone in thinking this , I am pretty certain this is Omegon that dorn has slain. Alpharius would never go 1 on 1 with Dorn unless he knew he would win with 100% certainty. This is Omegon not Alpharius. Guillimon killed a Alpha Legionnaire that’s why there was no white flash when he died… Alpharius lives!
Jesus christ, you dumb alpha legion fanboys are STILL on this. It was explicitly stated by the author that Alpharius is dead. It was even shown later that Omegon feels and senses Alpharius’ death. Alpharius is dead, get over it.
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Love that he was still talking. What did he say? What was his true message.
I mean, do any of us think this was his final ruse?
I just find it stupid that Alpharius was meant to be so smart, well educated etc, and he just takes the Cabals plan with really no proper deliberation. Eldrad destroyed the Cabal because their plan of genociding an entire species was asinine, surely Alpharius should've been capable of the same conclusion.
One of the better heresy books tbf. The opening where all the alpha legion cells are coming online, being dug up etc is amazing. Dips a bit when it mainly goes to follow the 2 imperial fists with the personality’s of a bowl of porridge
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Wouldn’t surprise me of Alpharius was the first leader of the order of assassins for the imperium.
Not too far-fetched an idea. Alpharius played a version of the Blood Games with the Custodes while he was raised by Big E on Terra. He succeeded in at least a couple of his play-attempts to assassinate the Emperor, proving himself quite capable with misdirection and espionage.
For context, Alpharius was secretly the first primarch to be found, whose pod (which had functionally been split in half during the Chaos Gods' attempted theft when they and Big E played tug of war with this last pod, hence Omegon incidentally coming into existence when the other half of Alpharius' Warp essence cultivated into a form of his own upon landing on his own world) had landed in the mountains just outside the location of Emp's lab.
I know people are saying it was omegaon, but out of all the siblings, i think dorn would know his siblings the most, so i believe omegon is still out there and alpharius is dead
Not quite true,
Alpharius never introduced himself as Primarch during the Unification war, even when facing Lion el'johnson he assigned himself as a high rank astartes instead of a primarch, and funnily... the Lion believed this.
On the XXth Primarch official public announcement, it was Omegon who showed himself to the public as Alpharius Omegon. This was a mutual agreement from the twin that Omegon will keep Alpharius as a secret from everyone in the imperium. That includes any other Primarch.
So Rogal Dorn knew to detail exactly the face of Alpharius (which was actually Omegon's face all along) but he never actually met Alpharius. Only Valdor, Malcador, Emperor, Lion (without realizing), Russ (without realizing) has actually seen the true Alpharius.
@Hagrovreka what? The unifaction wars were on terra after that is the great crusade and then the horus heresy, unless gw facked up the lore again with this then no dorn would have met alpharius and omegon
@@theenderdestruction2362 right, my mistake. let me correct this, in the great crusade Alpharius was first found even before Horus (mentioned in Head of The Hydra book). His arrival wasn't publicly told, rather he was kept secret by Emperor and Malcador himself. Alpharius mentioned that he was present (along with the Emperor) in almost every discovery of lost Primarchs BUT never as a Primarch himself, rather disguised as a Legionnaire. He continues to do this even in the Rang-Dan third war, where him and the Lion met face to face, Alpharius introduced himself with his real name but not his title as Primarch, and Lion believed that he was just a common high rank legionnaire. Regarding the public reveal of XXth Primarch that was found by Horus Lupercal, the twin agreed that Omegon would take Alpharius name and become the face of Alpha Legion, keeping Alpharius original objective as "sword of darkness" for the empire. Alpharius has been absent ever since, hiding in plain sight.
@Hagrovreka the alpharius book is something i would consider not to be trusted, its more of a unreliable narrator then anything concrete after all alpharius and omegon are not exactly the most trustowrthy of people so i take everything the book has to say with a moutain of salt as alpharius most famous thing is litterly him saying "i am alpharius, this is a lie" not something someone trust worthy would say, so even then its kinda hard to not know how a primarch aura is even for the less psycicly gifted as im sure the lion would have felt this "astartes" having a comeplelty different aura then a normal one
@@theenderdestruction2362
The book is comprehensive if you're understand the flow of it's deception.
the first phrase of the book "I am Alpharius, this is a lie" interconnected with the last phrase of the book itself "I am Alpharius, this was a lie". This was said because the first chapter and the last was narrated by Omegon.
The rest of the middle part was narrated both by the Alpharius and Omegon. If you can't make sure which, Omegon's part always begins with an Alpha legion sigil but without title, those are addition of Omegon while the chapters with title are Alpharius's (excluding Prologue and Epilogue)
I myself am Alpharius, but such a name does not matter, only our function matters.
Don't believe in that lies, citizen.....because I'm Alpharius
Yes. The most useless Primarch.
@@bengeorge9063You mean Lorgar.
I'm a huge fan of the Alfa legion, but I'd have to agree that they self sabotage themselves or overshoot more often than not
I heard some people grumble that John French is like Matt Ward for the Imperial Fists yet somehow gets away with it.
TBH he does actually make the IF Look cool which is a feat unto itself.
French is solid... it's ADB that's the successor to Ward which is the fact that everyone really seems to hate is true
Who does ABD make into Mary sues though?
@joesheridan9451 Alpha Legion & Night Lords... where do you think all this Alpharius stuff comes from? (Which is a very recent phenomenon much like the Custodes hardons everyone seems to have lately.)
@@nationalsocialism3504 Your talking absoloute shite. In the nightlords books they are constantly getting beat up and on the backfoot and he shows that they are the most cowardly legion with the least honour... And despite that he made tons of people still like them. That's the absolute opposite of Matt Ward you clown.
And I'm pretty sure ADB has not written a single book about the alpha legion lol...
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-Dorn to Big E
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"IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE 42ND MILLENNIUM. THERE CAN BE NO VICTOR."
Brother, i have something to tell you. _I am omegon._
That's not true. I am Alpharius
I am Alpharius
If Alpharius was wanting to help Dorn end the war against Horus then why didn't he accept his help?
Alpharius is the Primarch of the alpha legion, the legion of schemes, lies and treachery. He had already declared himself follower of Horus. Rogal Dorn is the primach of the imperial Fists, pretorian of terra, the most loyal and honest of all the Primarchs. He hate all lies, and everything that is honorless.
Now you put the traitor master of lies against the loyalist master of truth and honor and you expect Rogal to listen to the guy that is litteraly made out of lies when he say after killing many loyalists "don't worry man, i'm on your side trust me !". What would you do ?
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I never understood why dorn didn't tell his brothers about this
Shame, regret. A combination of both.
because thats what alpharius wants.
He did not enjoy doing this . He is ashamed that his brothers turned and he was forced to kill one . He just did what needed to be done and doesn't want to talk about it . Dorn barely ever talks unless absolutely necessary . He didn't even speak to his own legion when they first met . So him not talking about it fits perfectly with his personality
@@commissaryarrick9670 it was a damn important information to keep for himself alone though, they were in the middle of a war there and even after the Heresy the secret of Alpharius' death might had had some consequences, for example if the Battle of Eskrador was an actual event it would had been extremely important for Guilliman to know that Alpharius was dead and someone else must had been leading the Alpha Legion there.
It was Omegon Dorn killed..I am Alpharius...WE ARE ALPHARIUS...when Dorn pointed his finger at ALPHARIUS 👉 he never realized 3 finger were pointing back at himself....
apparently alpharius is alive and omegon dies here instead. alpharius is alive in 40k!
Hard to tell since Alpharius died several times during the heresy
@@tzeentchlordoffates9268 the alpha legion book set out there lore pretty straight forward!
Other way around
@@joshley1320did you read the primarch book? Omegon was posing as alpharius. It’s the alpha legion nothing is face value. Omegon sided with Horus and alpharius eventually decides against his brother, and goes with the option where the emperor wins but slowly dies. Alpharius was the first to be found on terra, while omegon was found on that world with the Hrud and last to be found. He’s loyal to the throne but his legion is largely not.
@@cottermcg123 I believe Omegon was indeed part of the traitors, but was opposing Big E for the purposes of ending Chaos, as the Cabal had explained to him, whether the concept coming to fruition could be proven real or not. And wasn't it slaugth, not hrud? I could be mistaken there.
Im Am Alpharius and this is a Lie.
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Ah but did he truly kill the real alpharius?
Ya.. But did he actually kill Alpharius?
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@danielquintonvo That was who I really referring to. You sound a *lot* like him.
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@@koholintisland2167 That is a DEEP cut, loved the books, loved the 2nd movie so much
@@richmondvand147 This guy sounds JUST like him
It was a decoy! That wasn't the REAL Alpharius!
I always wondered why Dorn wouldn’t listen to Alpharius but he was willing to respond to Fulgrim?
He hated him and knew he was a liar plus all he said to fulgrim was “no” wasn’t it
@@joshley1320 I mean a bit more than that. He responded to Fulgrim saying he wanted to kill Horus but would settle for Fulgrim. How he knew about the plan set up by Abbadon and the others. While on the other hand Alpharius is at face value goading him playing off his anger to try to get him to strike but at the same time telling him the only reason he attacked where he did was to show Dorn where the weaknesses in the Sol System defenses were. After being able to stew on it my personal opinion is now that he didn’t respond or really listen as I think his anger got the better of him in this instance.
@@DocLeQuack oh okay sorry my friend
@@DocLeQuack that is probably the reasons dorn has a habit of just not talking whilst fighting because he doesn’t really want to kill his brothers and listening to them might make him stutter so he just turns of everything and kills
ur crazy, Dorn insulted and humiliated Fulgrim.
How; for I am alpharious
That was Omegon, not Alpharius
I wanna just state this:
Dorn ALLEGEDLY kills Alpharius.*
No he actually did. When a primarch dies, the result is often a thunderous explosion of bright light as the warp god used to make them escapes back into the Warp. That’s what happened here, so Alpharius is _very_ much dead. You can’t exactly fake something like that
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Not gonna lie….pretty underwhelming
Alpha legion are trash