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Ford Mondeo Mk5, Dead as Door Nail Steering Rack
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ม.ค. 2019
- Ford Mondeo Mk5, Dead as Door Nail Steering Rack.
The first electronic power steering rack on a mk5 for mondeo to fail at 162k miles.
fitted a used rack rather than buy a new one and was unable to find a control module as it seems the rack comes with the motor and control module as one unit.
Well done for dodging the stealership Alan. 👍👍
Really enjoy your video Alan. keep them coming.
Always enjoy your fixing videos Alan 😄👍🏻
Only recently discovered this channel. Love it! 👍
Brilliant Videos Alan , great unique style and very informative
cheers
Another brilliant vid 👍
Hi, just to update you i own a 64 plate titanium with 84k on it i have just got the car back today with a new rack fitted from a Ford dealer as the bolts snapped on the old one and the motor dropped out, it was replaced FOC as it shows up as a recall on the ford ETIS site so dont let them fog you off, Alan keep up the good work as i would not of known of of this had it not been of your posts, cheers
Just happened to mine. Recall still outstanding, confirmed with ford. Did you manage to drive with it or took it to the garage straight away? How long did you wait for dealer to replace it?
Another good vid l left the trade 10 years ago and I’m a little rusty but after melting a cam bearing on my focus your zetec cam belt vid helped a lot now the bloody rack has died hopefully it’s not going to be a mission with the fault codes
cheers andrew
What's Monica's favourite musical instrument.................the HARmonica of course !!!!
lol.. i will ask her later
@@alan4x ...if she doesn't like "blowing" things, does she like playing with the "organ" and when she hits the right "note" you could say, can't you play the "organ" faster faster faster !!!!! 😉😉😉
You are a gift from God my good man , My moms 2014 has same problem , thanx for helping me understand better , churz mate
Nice one. I've withdrawn my question about mileage - RWOTFS!
best car video out there
very very good and interesting videos, i have always been driving volvos with the d5 and now i want to try something else and are looking for a ford mondeo mk4 2011-12 with the 140 or 200hp Tdci engine with powershift gearbox. so these videos helps me alot about finding out problems.. too bad you dont have any information about the powershift.
yes no power shift models here, i really wish i did
they have a lot more problems that the volvo !
So now we know that the steering is electric, not just an electric pump powering a normal rack. At least you will not get it leaking fluid :)
Do I look like I born tomorrow, love it. She's a peach and your a genius!!
🤣😂
I agree that whole assembly of that steering rack is properly complicated and not cheap to replace. But at least there's no such a thing like Audi 'component protection'. Otherwise swap wouldn't be possible.
Went to RockAuto's website here in U.S. and (apparently?) the same part is the same price that Mo was quoted, here in the 'states if you go to a discount auto parts store. I imagine the cost at a dealership is a few hundred higher ....plus installation if you don't want to do it yourself. Not sure what it would cost used.
Hi Alan,
Do you know what the casing of the power steering motor is made of please... My bolts are steel ones and are magnetic but if the casing is aluminium would there still be a problem with galvanic corrosion...
Love your vids by the way.
Hi Alan, mk5 2.0 2015 diesel owner, have noticed a hiss and a spit when turning, also on full lock it goes to the point and then more after a second or too without the tyres moving! How long have a got before a fail realistically no lights on dash etc thanks for all yours videos
Monika z Polski pozdrawiamy, przywioze kwiaty kiedyś przejazdem
Hey Alan! Any long milage mk4.5 that never had steering wrack issues? I'm starting to see a lot of people complaining about them too. I want to hope it won't be the case for mine very soon. Mine's got 180k km, and service said once that it has a bit of play, but normal for the milage. Steering is spot on when driving.
How come the control unit can't be replaced? What a waste or natural resources.
its sealed onto the motor assembly, looks like they only want to sell the whole lot together
Of course, but it's a huge profit for the Ford. "What's good for Ford is good for America" (c) President Wilson. Also, Tesla motors doesn't sell replacement parts at all.
Ford really have dropped a bollock with these compared to the mk4
Do these need programming to the car if you fit a second part, I have Mondeo's and Ford Galaxy's on my fleet
Kind regards
Imagine a Ford main dealer quote to do this... remortgage time 😧😧
Is this a common issue with ford? I read a lot of complaints about the Mondeo and S max
I like your films Alan great job , and I'm still thinking, is it worth to change my MK4 to MK5 hmmmmmm .
lol
Well Alan, I have to tell you this problem is STILL showing up. My Moneo has developed the fault with the steering rack, and I have been trying to source a replacement since before Christmas 2023. The list price of a Ford New Part is around £2,500 I am told. I have tried to get the rack reconditioned by a firm in Bristol but they are returning it without a fix. (Long story) Apart from this issue, a replacement starter motor £400 - worth! just for the motor, and numerous flat battery problems due to an unidentified current drain, it's been a great car. I cant believe that I may have to scrap the thing, If there is any advice you can give I would be most appreciative. It seems there is a better chance of finding hens' teeth and rocking horse poo-poo than one of these. Incidentally the mileage is 39,000 miles on a 2016 reg Mondeo Eco
hi, yes a new rack is very expensive, I have always sourced a used one from eBay but were getting very hard to find, might be worth searching eBay for people scrapping mondeos or dismantling rather than search for a rack, you might get lucky
Right hand drive rack from Lithuania..... How odd? 🤔
Hahahah Stolly parts or whaat
Why old steering rack went to the trush? Should be reconditioned and sold. By the way I've got question how long it take to remove steering rack? Is this all Day job?
I have seen a focus do this with the exact same fault codes. But once I cleared the fault codes the rack just started working again and hasn’t had a problem since. It was like a glitch in some sort of safe mode. Did your fault codes just come straight back on when you cleared them ?
hi, yes i cleared them multiple times, disconnected the battery etc but the fault codes were permanent..as soon as ignition on...codes were there
Hi Alan, have you heard anything about the MK5 steering rack motor bolts shearing off due to corrosion (3 bolts) and requiring a new rack @ £1500 a throw. Apparently in the US Ford have issued a recall on their Mondeo (Fusion) to replace the bolts and apply anti corrosion coating. In the UK Ford are saying there is no issue, but lots of people have had it happen over here and Ford won't help out. I just wondered if you had come across it on your fleet, apparently it is possible to replace the bolts, but I'm not sure if it's a DIY job or not. Thanks for all your videos, they are a great help.
I had the same question. Alan, can you please comment? Any additional problems with steering rack in your fleet? Thanx.
A year late but there is now a recall for this and mine is going in shortly to get fixed. I never received a letter but found it on the Ford website
For a country where they drive on the right hand side of the road they have a lot of left hand drive parts.
Eh?
Quite pricing new steering rack. They should take longer than that. How many miles car have?
Nuno Oliveira
This car had done 162k miles when the rack failed
Saved £750 by buying a secondhand part of unknown origin, but had the car off the road for 2 weeks. I'm sure the car would have made more than £750 in those two weeks which it was off the road for... I'm sure you have your reasons. Keep the videos coming.
good question...this cars rack failed between xmas and the new year when there were about 15 taxis parked up doing nothing as a lot of drivers were on holiday so i thought we go for a used unit to save money and take a chance...the car was finished and back on the road by around 9th january as was 80% of this video done, this video was then shelved until 29 jan where i finished a few clips, but usually any other time of the year when all cars are on the road it would have been a new rack,and get the job done asap,
@@alan4x Nice one, makes sense. :)
@Dan iel, their boss bills the costs of the replacement parts towards their bonus payments, to they are incentivized to look for less cost-intensive options to repair those cars.
Another good one.... I'm sure you are aware of the issue with the snapping bolts on the power steering motor? They are a recall in the U.S. but not in the UK. Any chance of a short Vlog on how to check they are the later bolts (not the ones that need replacing) and how to change them if they are the dome type? Loads of people have suffered failures and at £1500 a time its expensive!
i have only ever has one car with the motor snapped clean off the rack...not one of the taxis here and never knew there was an issue but i do now, will have to find out more information first
@@alan4x This is the recall in the US but Ford in the UK have not recognised it... some FB group members have written to the DVSA asking for a recall but as you do not lose control they say they are not going to issue a safety recall. The replacement bolts are the same for the water pump apparently! ford.oemdtc.com/1684/15s14-steering-gear-motor-bolt-corrosion-2013-2015-ford-fusion-lincoln-mkz-2015-ford-edge-2?fbclid=IwAR3FyMwpslOKb4FRlmoJ9VrMsnhI3LX2PwaElbIczHm8xlH4TkEdHmjVajA
@@Badger66 there is a recall now
Hi Alan, greetings from www.mondeo-mk5.de! Many of us are watching your funny and interesting videos. I like your trash can...
cheers
I've just checked my shoes not a module in sight, phew!
lol
I'm about to tackle the exact same job! I'm assuming you never had to code or reprogram the replacement module it was just plug and play?????????
yes thats right no coding needed, it will just work
Alan,great trash scene,and the mileage to ruination of the rack ?
cheers, the mileage is 162k miles
@@alan4x Good to know that mileage figure Alan............BTW did you give Monika a bonus for saving you £750.
We have a customer with a 50k miles, 2016 Mondeo with a failed steering rack. It will cost him well on the way to £3000 to sort that out with a new Ford rack. Not good.
Does anyone know what happens if it fails well your driving.
the steering will be really heavy but you can still steer the car...just need strong arms lol
Money light lit up a good 'un here
My Prius Catalytic Converter was Stolen , probably in Romania now ( how do I know, because the idiots had RO number plates)!
Do you think theres a Ford mondeo owner missing a steering rack somewhere? Like stuff from Lithuania has such a reliable reputation 🤣🤣
Don't think you should be chucking your mechanics bonus in the general waste
Are you worried that having a fleet of these mk5 common fault
Interesting to know milage of failure and how long this donor rack will perform
its ok, i fished it back out and will sell to the scrap man lol
What was the mileage on that car?
hi, 162k miles
Thanks for replying, great vids by the way.
Ford UK and Ireland will shortly announce a recall to check and then either replace the bolts or the rack.
Any chance of this happening soon under the current circumstances?
At 1:57 i stopped caring about the stupid mk5 mondeo :P
Monica...Monica :p
1.57.........the shape of it........Lawdy Lawdy.....!!! :-)))
Isn’t Lithuania a LHD country? And they are breaking RHD cars?
don't know, thats where it came from, could not find a rack in the uk with matching part numbers
@@alan4x Here in Lithuania all types of cars are breaking.
Daivaras Simanavičius wondering how RHD vehicles are ending up being broken in LIthuania.
By driving them from UK first. Thats's common practice in Baltic states- buy second hand/crashed/flooded wrecks in UK, deliver to Latvia/Lithuania, dismantle and sell spare parts all over the world. That's in the best case. In the worst case- repair them/ collect one from two-three pieces, arrange fake docs and sell as little used :)
@@Clicksystems We all know how RHD cars end up being broken for parts in Lithuania...
“EXCELLENT” hehehe
Big Clive might be interested in the old control board as he has done tear downs of OBD2 stuff th-cam.com/video/zx8fywphQp0/w-d-xo.html
Can't for the life of me understand why you went for a "run" round the block ? You can't have run far or fast as you weren't sweaty 🤣🤣🤣
ok, ok lol
Ok got it don't buy a Ford Mondeo Mk5, do you mind if i ask were does Monica's beauitful accent come from.
charles mclachlan
Hi, yes Monika is from the Czech Republic
Other makes also use electric steering such as Vauxhall, seems to be the trend :(
And Honda - for decades. . .without any issues.
Ur some boy...250£ when she says 750£
Just spent 420£ for a 2nd hand one,hope it works,otherwise...it will work will 200ml of petrol and a match as i had enough of this Mondeo...they are nae good at a ehh...
unfortunately plenty goes wrong with the mk5 and expensive to repair
@@alan4x ur the only one that has more clue about theese cars than any tech from UK Ford Main Dealer.
Steering rack fitted now...but i have a feel that it ain't gonna work just because i got a bad update on my software from TrustFordAberdeen wich doesn't comply with the car specs...worked 8 hours,spent enough and now this to come up...dealers are useless,just useless...they ask for 168£+VAT just for a diagnose...straight rip-off.
@@MrDavos87yes I have had my share of dealers wasting time and changing a fortune for it. Hope it does all work out. Once the rack is fitted it should just work without having to do anything else
@alan4x
Got it working for 50 miles,a wee bit stiff tbh...and at the MOT station it failed and no power steering,left it there,went back to get my Diagnose tool and it comes up with BCM not properly programed like and a fault on fuel pressure sensor(the one from the injection pump).
Cleared the faults,droved over and rev it more than 3500 rpm's it cut out...no abs,power steering,engine malfunction and same sensor camed back on,cleared the faults and droved back with no problems but no more than 3000rpm between changing gears...so now i have 1 year and 3 months with this car to fix it but it just comes to put it on fire,spent 2.5k just on parts,ain't gonna put my labour on top.any suggestions before i'll throw it on Ebay for parts??
I'm out of my mind with it
@@MrDavos87sounds like a software issue with that bcm fault. If you rev the engine over 3500 rpm and it goes into limp mode that points towards low fuel pressure. I would have a fuel pressure leak test done on the injectors and quite possibly a proper software update but it’s hard for me to really say without seeing the car first. You really need a decent mechanic who knows what to look for more than anything
What i cant understand is why oh why do people buy these cars? Afterall your vids prove there absolute poo.
lol
The problem is, the others are also poo, even worse at times.
Alan these new cars are utter rubbish. Full of chinese crap. Im sticking with my just run in vw t4. Its only done 347,000 miles. Bloody wipers need doing.
lol
They sure don't make them like they used to! My favorite car era is the 70's, 80's and 90's!
This is a shit job to do
Lithuania lol. Probably stolen in the first place