The King of 120mm Fans: Phanteks T30 Review

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  • @4Leka
    @4Leka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Some motherboards push the fans at 100% rpm on boot no matter what. So it absolutely makes sense to be able to limit a 3000 rpm monster fan to a lower max rpm.

    • @Fishifyed
      @Fishifyed 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then based on your synopsis:
      More rpms = quicker start up 😅 why complain

    • @4Leka
      @4Leka 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Fishifyed You drunk mate? The noise of 3-6 fans at 3000 rpm is not the same as them going at 2000 rpm.

    • @Iam....--..
      @Iam....--.. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Fishifyed that is not even close to his synopsis; did we even read the same thing?
      He said that on startup some motherboards will turn on the fans to their maximum possible rpm (how fast they spin; the faster they spin the louder they are)
      The speed of the fans on startup has little to nothing to do with how fast the computer boots up

  • @CntBckt
    @CntBckt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I got a triple pack of these recently. The packaging and included accessories alone made it feel like a nex-level experience. :D

  • @mlwg9317
    @mlwg9317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Your results are suspect. So...the Noctua wins by 4 degrees with both at 2kish, and blows other fans out of the water by 15 degrees+? Also the T30 is laughably bad overall when db adjusted? So from multiple other unrestricted, radiator and db adjusted tests the T30 wins...but somehow blowing through a case unless it's running at the speed no one will ever run it at...2k-3k its worse than almost any fan you could buy?
    So either everyone else's results are WAY off...or your test using them in a way no one will literally ever use them shows some weird flaw with the T30s to where unrestricted = King, Heavily restricted by rad = King, but lightly restricted by case installation = Looses to waving paper.
    Sorry but I have to call BS on this one.

  • @Torulv
    @Torulv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    not sure if i missed it, but how are you testing these, cant find it described in the video.
    no way phanteks t30 is 25C hotter than NF-A12x25 at 40db. or p12 35c hotter at certain noise levels... something is way off with your measurements.

    • @charonme
      @charonme 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah that area of the graph seems incredibly suspicious. All other tests I've seen so far put the T30 very close to NF-A12x25

  • @24879067marshall
    @24879067marshall 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glad I found your review as your the only guy to point out the extra long screws to allow the Halos to be mounted. Good job STS

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @michaelnager6059
    @michaelnager6059 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't know what you are doing to get your numbers. This is not meant in a nasty manner as I will explain.
    I swapped out the three Noctua A12x25 fans I had on my Arctic Liquid Freezer II using the offset mount on my 5950X with three Phanteks T30 fans. The first thing that I noticed was that the T30 fans, when the system was running at idle, were spinning at a lower RPM for the same amount of cooling (I used the same fan profile for both).
    Limiting the T30 fans to 2000 RPM I then did testing on CineBench R20 running on a loop - where both the Noctua and the Phanteks fans would max out. Again the T30 fans kept the CPU significantly cooler.
    I then let them run up to the full 3000 RPM and although louder, I wouldn't call them unbearable. I would not even call them annoying, because the sound is lower pitched than the A12x25 fans running at 2000 RPM.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Everything’s alright, nothing taken in a bad way.
      You’re referring solely to radiator performance in your case.
      Somewhere here in the comments, I’ve explained how we benchmark to get these numbers, to put it short, we try to create a single hybrid number that tests both the fan's airflow and static pressure capabilities with a slight tilt towards pressure.
      We do this because otherwise, a fan with extreme static pressure will be amazing, while case fans will lose against me swinging a sheet of paper.
      I believe that the ‘radiator’ category is something that should be treated completely separately.
      At some point we will make a radiator only test where the t30 will most probably even win due to its static pressure.
      However, most reviews I’ve seen out there about fans (especially t30) are only focusing on radiator performance.
      If you only look at those numbers, you’ll get into a situation where you believe that the t30 is generally the absolute best fan out there.
      But that’s only for radiator situations.
      And sure, if you’re testing a fan specifically build for radiators, this test is perfectly fine.
      But both the T30 and A12x25 are ‘hybrid’/do whatever you want fans. And comparing them and every other fan using only a rad will neglect the fact that maybe one of them is better at moving a lot of air than the other one.
      So, I’m sure that in your specific case, a T30 will be better for what you need it for. But this might not be for every other existing situation, and my weird test tries to group all of them into a single number

    • @michaelnager6059
      @michaelnager6059 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STSYT I have only watched that one video of yours because with regard to the T30 fans I am still in the "Too good to be true" phase, even though I have had them for a few months now.
      I keep asking myself, "So what's wrong with them" and I have been watching and reading periodically to see if someone has found an Achilles heel with regard to the T30.
      Your explanation does make sense, and it does clear up my confusion. Thank you for the answer.

    • @TheDessel
      @TheDessel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@STSYT I’m sorry. This still looks odd to me. You run this very specific and unique test, because theoretically the T30 is sold as an “hybrid” fan, and yet in your graphs compare it to the likes of the P12 which is essentially a “pressure” focused fan? Sorry, I believe you are well intended, but this methodology sounds fishy as it gets. No wonder no one else out there uses it. You should really reconsider it. That said, it was an entertaining video. Kudos!

  • @chopchop708
    @chopchop708 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'd love to see other companies play around with thicker fans. There are thinner fans for space-constrained applications (e.g. SFF), but oddly enough there aren't many thicker fans for the opposite scenario. It's not uncommon to see much thicker fans in servers. More comparisons between different fan dimensions (thickness and diameter) would be nice to help demonstrate the pros and cons of each.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely!
      Unfortunately, the only thicker fans we are able to find are ultra-high speed mining fans

  • @sojirou
    @sojirou 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It's quite interesting that your results show the T30 worse at every noise level compared to NF-A12s. Was the tests done on a heatsink instead of AIO? Based on others' tests it shouldn't be such a huge disparity. However, that said, I don't like the T30s because of their sound profile above 1400RPM and had to replace it with NF-A12s for my entire system instead.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Our benchmarks are not made on an Aio, but
      in a sort of hybrid test where we use 2 fans in the front and one in the back as exhaust.
      Then there’s a be quiet! Pure rock 2 on the cpu without any fan.
      Due to the lack of ‘real’ cpu fan, the whole work is done by the tested fans. That creates kind of a hybrid test where the front fans need to provide the air while the back fan needs to be able to pull it through the heatsink.
      That being said, due to how we’re testing, our benchmakr numbers are extremely ‘exxagerated’. A 1c real-world difference becomes 5c in our numbers. Therefore it’s easier for us to see a difference between different fans.
      I hope this explains everything :)

    • @jeffkuzzen
      @jeffkuzzen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@STSYT you should consider rethinking that test method. it's very strange and misleading.
      the t30 is most definitely the best 120mm fan on the market.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Stein Mauer We will release a video called "How we benchmark Fans" on May 6th. Hopefully this will clear things up!

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@jeffkuzzen We will release a video explaining how we benchmark fan on May 6th. Hopefully this will clear things up!

    • @jeffkuzzen
      @jeffkuzzen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@STSYT i know how you benchmark them... but you shouldnt do it like that, is what im saying:-)

  • @aaronfriedman8201
    @aaronfriedman8201 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your results are contrary to what I have seen on other reviews. Noise normalized the T30 moves the most air from at least 35db and up.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's because most other reviews are using radiators to determine Fan's performance. We use an amplified case-fan setup th-cam.com/video/oZHn5UbGrLc/w-d-xo.html

  • @NGreedia
    @NGreedia ปีที่แล้ว +1

    something seems off with the charts. no way the nf-a12x25 is 5 degrees lower than the T30 when both are running at 2000rpms. the T30 should be a step ahead.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's an inflated value for case-fan usage. th-cam.com/video/oZHn5UbGrLc/w-d-xo.html This should explain why there's a difference

  • @michaelthompson9798
    @michaelthompson9798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Impressive fans. 3k rpm …. Jet engines of all planes in an airport going at one time 🤕🤯. Interesting that the new style for fans is the 3D printer DIY look.

  • @Argooh
    @Argooh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Slim Arctic fans silently spinning away next to me... Temperatures low... Still considering buying these because they are 'the King'.

  • @Mintor94
    @Mintor94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't think this 5mm extra thickness isn't a problem, and it doesn't have anything to do with case price. It may be just to much in some sff cases, and in bigger ones if you consider mounting them to thicker radiators. It may be just enough to hit the mobos rads. I also have a feeling that making a fan thicker is a "cheap" way getting more performance out of it. If noctua or arctic or any other company made thicker fans without changing their design much, they'd also perform better. The fact that despite it being thiccer, made with something better than a standard plastic and still not beating NF-A12x25 when it comes to performance-noise ratio makes Noctua product even more impressive for me.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      On the sff topic, sure, no doubt there.
      But i’ve come across cases that have ‘radiator’ support, but only by a damn mm.
      Like if your vrm heatsink is too thick, that thing won’t go in there.
      Any case that passes a ‘normal’ amount of testing will fit those 5 extra.
      On the rest, it would be interessting to see other fans like ones you’ve mentioned with those extra 5mm, just to compare.

    • @tuomashautamaki2258
      @tuomashautamaki2258 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      These "benchmarks" don't mean anything, because he doesn't tell how he use these fans. If you want better comparison between Noctua and Phanteks (with real data) check Optimum Tech's video. Phanteks is better in performance-noise wise.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's another comment here where I explain how we benchmark all of the fans. I stopped explaining it in every Review as it became a repetitive 1-minute section that nobody wanted to see.
      I know Optimum Tech's video. Although I think he did a great job with it, his video is focused on Radiator applications of a T30 vs A12x25. This video is meant to cover the fan as a whole, which is also why we stick to our 'generalized' benchmark test that measures kind-of-a middle ground in-between airflow and static pressure-focused applications.

    • @tuomashautamaki2258
      @tuomashautamaki2258 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@STSYT Thanks for reply. I understand that, but if you didn't refer in the video or in the description where that information can be found, these benchmarks in the video are irrelevant. I know that people who watch many of your videos doesn't want to see that part, but that information should be always accessible somehow for people like me who doesn't watch lot of your videos.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Tuomas Hautamäki
      You're right there, I should be leaving some information about this available somewhere.
      I think the best approach would be an explanation video in which I go over how and why we do how we do it. That way I can always reference it in the description in case anybody really wants to see it.
      I'll try to get the video ready asap so that these types of questions can be prevented in the future.
      Thanks for the hint :)

  • @jonmaster2143
    @jonmaster2143 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just a noob question, just which wind direction is this blinking phantek t30 fans? Just purchased a triple fan but NO arrow direction of wind direction. Any idea?

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  ปีที่แล้ว

      You see the metal piece in the middle (the one in the thumbnail), that’s the front, that’s where the air is going in.
      General rule that applies to 99% of fans. The pretty side is the front. The ugly side is the one where the air is coming out of

  • @slims2503
    @slims2503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think this test is rather strange. This is the only test putting the T30`s at 2000rpm under noctua. Now i am a Noctua fan but the phanteks simply beat them with this iteration of fan. Being 30mm simply puts them ahead. I don`t understand how these are tested to be honest as your chart is off to other testers so somehow not very convincing.

  • @luckyowl10
    @luckyowl10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think those 5mm extra thickness might make problems in some SFF chases where everything barely has enough space. That advanced mode 3000rpm is truly crazy, T30 outperforms 140mm fans, but at that price I expect a quiet fan that cools my PC, not a jet engine launching my PC into outer space like some laptops do.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's actually true. We just finished recording a Watercooled build inside the Nouvolo Borg. We used the thinnest 120mm Rad possible and wanted to pair it with a T30, but that thing just wouldn't go inside, no matter what I tried. In 'normal' cases though, these 5mm shouldn't create any problems

    • @teemuvesala9575
      @teemuvesala9575 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STSYT You just need bit longer screws...

    • @theGoodTheBradAndTheUgly
      @theGoodTheBradAndTheUgly ปีที่แล้ว

      @@teemuvesala9575 I think he means they physically don't fit with certain clearances like where the mobo and graphics card are, when the case is small enough

  • @IcyyX_
    @IcyyX_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    whats the lowest rpm you would go with these fans

  • @jvidia
    @jvidia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    T30 loses to the F12x25 at 2000rpm? What?

    • @PerfectionHunter
      @PerfectionHunter ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's false. He just had a brain fart. The Phanteks 30mm thickness makes it move more air, at any RPM, than standard 25mm fans. So it simply wins out by cooler preformance by several degrees. It even outpreforms most 140mm fans today, which is kinda crazy tbh.

  • @JagoTFC
    @JagoTFC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    T30's are about high fin rads/heatsinks. They overpower any restriction. I'm pairing this with a Alpenföhn Black Ridge and it has to intake so much air that the whole system has to be overpressure. I like overpressure.
    Oh, I'm also putting this inside an NES case. Shame they only sell in triplets and a single is rare and can cost you 40€ without shipping on other shops

    • @marksulloway5669
      @marksulloway5669 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In my own testing I noted the T30 was quieter than the A12x25 when placed directly against the Blackridge cooler at 1500-2000 RPM. The noise levels reversed with the Noctua being quieter when the 2 fans were installed on a Noctua L12 Ghost Edition with no bottom fan. It seems the T30 makes less noise with the tighter cooler fin spacing of the Blackridge while the Noctua better matches its own cooler with slightly wider fin spacing.

  • @linndoria
    @linndoria ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there a Phanteks M25-120 and the 140 with and without aRGB/d-ARGB fan review coming soon? Good on an AIO Rad and as an intake fan?

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Requested but waiting for a reply. Hopefully soon

  • @NGreedia
    @NGreedia ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for this. I picked one up. While it's "loud" at 3000rpm, it's due to the amount of air being moved and not so much motor noise so it's perfectly normal.
    Wondering if you might consider testing the Thermaltake Tough Fan 14 as it seems to be the only 140mm fan that has that similar blade design to the NF-A12x25 and it runs at a whopping 2000rpm and since there's no T30 140mm either

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It has been on the list for a while, I'll try my best to include it sooner than later

  • @three36ixx
    @three36ixx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    P14 ARGB video coming soon?

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, feb 27

    • @three36ixx
      @three36ixx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@STSYT is it going to make me return all of the P14s i just bought? hahaha

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends on if you mind having rgb 😅

    • @three36ixx
      @three36ixx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STSYT it was just interesting to see they beat the P14 @ max rpm by 5°C even though they have a lower CF/M rating! But you didn't show the p14 argb on the temp vs noise graph!

  • @justinpatterson5291
    @justinpatterson5291 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want to use a couple packs to cool Hephaestus' Forge, an ITX packing a 5800X3D under a Jiushark JF13K. Cozied up to a 7900 XT and a 750W Plat grade brick.

  • @marcusohrvall3710
    @marcusohrvall3710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great review! I ghetto modded my gpu with 2 of those fans. Hooolyy molyy the cooling is real! :)

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thanks!
      Actually a nice idea. If your GPU starts to sag, just turn the fan speed up, the T30's will keep it straight ^^

    • @marcusohrvall3710
      @marcusohrvall3710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@STSYT hahaha, i would just be worried about being hit. By my hovering test bench :D

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had a bunch of bricks on the P500 I did the benchmarks in. Just in case

    • @zhila5958
      @zhila5958 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      did you deshroud your GPU? planning on doing something familiar

  • @MissMan666
    @MissMan666 ปีที่แล้ว

    all i need to know is, do the T30 push more air at sub 1000RPM, AND are they equally quiet compared to noctua X12x25 at below 1000 rpm

    • @FlawlessWorldAces
      @FlawlessWorldAces 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why do you need to normalize by RPM?

  • @locolama
    @locolama 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    But how do they perform for case cooling? Like in front of a case, as intakes behind mesh or obstructed shrouds like on the Fractal Define style cases?

    • @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh
      @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      if you have enough money to use them as case fans (front intake in a Meshify C or Lancool ll for example) this are still the best fans in the market but only by a little bit, they really shine as radiator fans.

  • @TheBorkka
    @TheBorkka ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel most reviews of this fan talk too much about the 3000 rpm.

  • @Zombie101
    @Zombie101 ปีที่แล้ว

    when you daisy chain is it optional to connect the cable from mobo fan header to the first or last fan in the daisy chain?

    • @Deleteyourself83
      @Deleteyourself83 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It makes no difference. Do whatever makes cable management easiest for your installation

  • @fabrb26
    @fabrb26 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Noctua should launch a 35mm 120mm fan just for the sake ok it.

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  ปีที่แล้ว

      Or 140, who know what sill happen

    • @klipk7296
      @klipk7296 ปีที่แล้ว

      It would be funny to see all the fan manufacturers just keep one upping each other with fatter and fatter fans each month

    • @Violet-ui
      @Violet-ui 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would be too innovative. It would take Noctua at least 30 years to release that. It took them 4 years just to make a black version of their fan

  • @yuseimoriguchi4928
    @yuseimoriguchi4928 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a question should I use the phanteks T130 as a intake or exhaust fan??

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  ปีที่แล้ว

      Whatever you want to use it. Better to use it as intake as it matters more
      But generally, t30s are better on rads

  • @dewanehill1435
    @dewanehill1435 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 11:55 it would be nice if the Bequite fan was included in the DB Chart

  • @muhahaha153
    @muhahaha153 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cant decide if i should go with the arctic p14 pwm pst or with the noctua a12. I just want it be quiet

    • @Zombie101
      @Zombie101 ปีที่แล้ว

      noctua is the best of the best

    • @muhahaha153
      @muhahaha153 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Zombie101 i decided to buy the arctic p14 pwm pst and they are soooo quiet and good. For the price they cost, its insane. The noctuas are a little better yes but almost 4 times as expensive

    • @Zombie101
      @Zombie101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@muhahaha153 interesting! Yeah ATM I have 1xa12 2xaf-14 and 1xnf-a20 noctua. Looking to change my case that can take 9 fans so if I went for X5 more a12s I'd be looking at £150 lol!! so I've started to look at artic and phantec T30s. Artic certainly looks like a cheaper option but then I'll have redundant noctuas! Which would be a shame

    • @muhahaha153
      @muhahaha153 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Zombie101 you could try to sell them. Noctua products dont lose much value

  • @QueckSilber87
    @QueckSilber87 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the different to mp version?

  • @jerryg3652
    @jerryg3652 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The limiter is great. My Asus motherboard forces 100% fan speed if the CPU reaches 80C

  • @aykuthasanov
    @aykuthasanov 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yo can u daisy chain them and run both of them in advanced mod 3000rpm?

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure, no problem

  • @marcosad2
    @marcosad2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    who is the king of 140mm fans?

  • @JGoose-oy9qo
    @JGoose-oy9qo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So you consider every small ITX case a cheap case...

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No I absolutely don’t. The most expensive cases we had a look at are actualy miniITX.
      I’m not even sure how you could come up with that conclusion.

  • @techandrey
    @techandrey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You rock. thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @morgan3625
    @morgan3625 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    these benchmarks are comedy how can you be so inaccurate jfc

    • @Violet-ui
      @Violet-ui 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, his old testing wasn't good
      In reality the T30 beats the A12x25 by a big margin noise normalized and doesn't lose as shown here. It's correct in his newer testing

  • @Zohar-Modifier
    @Zohar-Modifier 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    King Lionel Messi !!!

  • @Zohar-Modifier
    @Zohar-Modifier 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stiffer Bigger Thicker Longer Wider Longer Lasting :) Stronger !

  • @jujikiki
    @jujikiki ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gg

  • @K4rgo
    @K4rgo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whats up with your teeth???

    • @STSYT
      @STSYT  ปีที่แล้ว

      Okay

    • @K4rgo
      @K4rgo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STSYT ?

    • @tradingn9668
      @tradingn9668 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dude 😂