Andy had talked about these types of Pete drills before, and if they don’t work for you like they didn’t for me, hit up Andy on skillest. He saw something in my swing that we fixed first that then made the Pete stuff work. The more personalized zoom on skillest worked well for me.
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It might just be me and my simple chimp brain, but I must have watched dozens of Pete Cowen videos and I can never understand what he means by what he says. He talks about 'loading the shoulders' and 'natural forces' and 'downward pressure with the hands', but he might as well say 'smell the colour purple' or 'feel what square sounds like'. I always better understand watching other people explain his ideas. I guess it's at least partially deliberate or else why would anyone pay for a lesson with him when it's all on TH-cam? Must have watched James Robinson's lesson a hundred times and still none the wiser what is meant by 'load the shoulders for a fade/draw'...
From a fellow chimp, yes, loading is an unfortunate word, I guess it’s got to mean a feeling of pressure or strain. Imagine saying to Pete… “ hey Pete , could you actually quit all this confusing pyramid, spiral staircase, axe, loading chat and speak normally” How scary would that be 😀😱
He can’t make you feel what you need to feel it’s a progressive change that helps you to get the feel over time and practise. I’m battling with spinning the forearm down and keeping the wrist angle. So hard….
@@stephenbrown8018spinning is an unfortunate word. He just means pivoting it down. At shoulder height, the trail hand points away from target. When you pivot down, the fore arm doesn’t rotate it just straightens (palm is still away from target). Then your body pivot moves the bottom forward so you can apply pressure. So in essence it spins down without rotating towards target. Tricky terminology. I had to watch ten different videos to figure that out…. But once you understand it, watch out!
Thanks for helping me understand, much appreciated. I’ve started working with another coach and he’s working on getting me a better full face compression. Going to revisit this again, everyone teaches in a slightly different way, such a rich variety of methods among coaches, Pete has to be one of, if not the best in the business.
Quality video as always Andy. I’ve got into the habit of feeling my lower body start the backswing, but these drills make a lot of sense. Will definitely try them out!
This is interesting. All the instruction I have seen for a good number of years is based on the lower body starting the down swing which drags the arms down as the upper body follows the lower.
WOW! lower then turn. And amateurs turn then lower. SO TRUE! I just discovered how I was making this mistake. I was hitting weak irons with slices, lots of fat shots. Now I think at the top of the backswing drop your arms instead of lashing out at the ball by turning my shoulders at it. HUGE DIFFERENCE!
The golf swing is indeed a complex move wherein you are always trying to coordinate body turn and arm movement to synchronise and produce that square, open or closed club face….relative to the shot you want to hit (as Peter Cowen would say!)…nice video…thanks Andy.
That “turn first” is killing my driver, occurs usually when I try to put a bit more into it & get a booming slice… this vid makes so much sense & I guess repetitive drills are going to be the main way to cure… any other tips for stopping it?!
We've got .08 of a second from club parallel to impact, so we obviously can't consciously 'wait' till then to turn. I can do Rory's drill all day and get the 'feel', but when I go to hit the ball I'm back with my old 'patterns' (as Tiger would say!) How do you translate the feel of the Rory drill into the proper swing...deliberately hold the hips back from turning?
Great point Ken! I prefer to squat in transition, this load the glutes and the club automatically drops into place. So squat, then rotate with the lower body in that sequence. Works for me.
ive done split hands drill a lot in past (nicked it out of an old leadbetter book) without knowing why! for me it helped body rotation and a right side release. my advice for ordinary golfers like me is to drills off a tee to start with to give u confidence! or like me sponge balls in garage where you cant see where they go!
From what i have seen of PC, this move is inititiated by the left shoulder muscle dropping, not by pulling the hands down. (imho) Its the depth and and direction of the left shoulder (downswing) that is used to shape the ball. least that's how i understood it. there is also another video out there of PC giving another youtuber a lesson on the exact same thing
He talks about loading the shoulders and using this the initiate the downswing. But pulling the hands down also releases the loading of the shoulders down. I deliver the lessons in a way for amateur golfers to understand.
@@andycartergolf spose its all down to an individuals feels, if my hands are the feel i tend not to unload the shoulders, and start pulling accross the path.👍
Great again mate. My flexibility is gone, I can't do a lot of what you teach as my spine is fused. Is there a chance you could teach a swing for flexibility limited golfers, I go ok, play off 12, but can't find a simple swing as rotation is an issue.
Called dropping it into the slot -- the way you arm drops in front of your right hip -- when you throw a ball from third base or short stop to to first base. YOU DROP INTO THE SLOT and then turn.
It remains bent and straightens through the release point of the follow through. However as a drill its good to feel the right arm extend down whilst maintaining wrist hinge as if helps you feel the club in front of your body
Would that early extension fault potentially cause the dreaded shanks? I’ve been playing really nicely recently, however had a case of the shanks at the range today. This drill sorted me right out and actually ended up hitting driver the best I’ve ever hit it! Like absolutely smoking it off the end of the range 😂 thanks for the great videos but this one in particular saved the day!
Early extension can cause the shanks yes… but it seems this vid has helped you fix an issue so happy days. No more shanks, kick on and keel improving bud
Yeah because it promotes a neutral path. But if you’re struggling come for a lesson. Find me on Skillest app and I’ll tell you exactly why you’re struggling
So the spiral staircase drill. Start with left ankle right shin etc then opposite on way down right ankle left shin. But your saying start with hands pulling. Get so confused 🙈
Á transition ‘feel’ is dependent on the players fault in the first place. From experience the majority of ams start the transitions from the shoulders and hips causing an out to in path.
Pete Cowen knows so much about golf… it’s a shame he uses words that don’t translate so easily into swing lessons to many of us. You used the phrase turn the hips and I’ve heard so many state the hips DON’T turn but rather move backward and foward. When watching your tip of getting the arm back down before turning I wonder if you want us to get the weight back on to the lead foot first. You are lucky enough to be talented in golf like Rory you dress alike and probably hit the same kind of ball. Damn you might just be the non Irish Rory in disguise. Liked your video in general. The Pete Cowen comment was a bit tongue in cheek!
It’s my feel but not by 1st lowering the arm or pulling with the arms or hands. Once you’re set into your forward pivotal axis the the core and hips start the downswing and the arms go along for the ride. Otherwise you will impart an external force that will require some sort of compensation. I think you are doing that but the explanation needs some fine tuning. Good stuff though. I’ve been teaching for over 20 yrs and competed at the mini tour level back in the 90’s.
Amateur golfers need a feel. Setting hips into a “forward pivotal axis” means absolutely nothing to 9/10 ams! Most golfers start the swing with a rotation of their hips which causes major issues. I coach in a language amateurs understand.
Andy, imho an explanation about how the right forearm/hand/elbow moves would help ppl. I’m guessing if you tell ppl to pull down, most ppl would pull down vertically like a hand chop which would propel the club head in front of the hands
![GFORCE 7 IRON [Transition & Swing Path Fix]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_lQVGQJuU6I/mqdefault.jpg)
Best ever Cowen transition explanation! THANKS!
Andy had talked about these types of Pete drills before, and if they don’t work for you like they didn’t for me, hit up Andy on skillest. He saw something in my swing that we fixed first that then made the Pete stuff work. The more personalized zoom on skillest worked well for me.
20 yard gains so far Charlie 👊🏽
@@andycartergolf truth. More to come!
How do I do that
@@bm1130 I believe that he has a link to skillest in the description. He has changed my game, I hope it works for you, too @bm
Thank you for breaking down and explaining what you are trying to do with this drill. It is often what’s missing from TH-cam videos.
I'm always trying to do that, so im glad it helps
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It might just be me and my simple chimp brain, but I must have watched dozens of Pete Cowen videos and I can never understand what he means by what he says. He talks about 'loading the shoulders' and 'natural forces' and 'downward pressure with the hands', but he might as well say 'smell the colour purple' or 'feel what square sounds like'. I always better understand watching other people explain his ideas. I guess it's at least partially deliberate or else why would anyone pay for a lesson with him when it's all on TH-cam? Must have watched James Robinson's lesson a hundred times and still none the wiser what is meant by 'load the shoulders for a fade/draw'...
From a fellow chimp, yes, loading is an unfortunate word, I guess it’s got to mean a feeling of pressure or strain.
Imagine saying to Pete… “ hey Pete , could you actually quit all this confusing pyramid, spiral staircase, axe, loading chat and speak normally”
How scary would that be 😀😱
He can’t make you feel what you need to feel it’s a progressive change that helps you to get the feel over time and practise. I’m battling with spinning the forearm down and keeping the wrist angle. So hard….
@@stephenbrown8018spinning is an unfortunate word. He just means pivoting it down. At shoulder height, the trail hand points away from target. When you pivot down, the fore arm doesn’t rotate it just straightens (palm is still away from target). Then your body pivot moves the bottom forward so you can apply pressure. So in essence it spins down without rotating towards target. Tricky terminology. I had to watch ten different videos to figure that out…. But once you understand it, watch out!
Thanks for helping me understand, much appreciated. I’ve started working with another coach and he’s working on getting me a better full face compression. Going to revisit this again, everyone teaches in a slightly different way, such a rich variety of methods among coaches, Pete has to be one of, if not the best in the business.
Actually sometimes wonder if the purpose of this drill is to get a bit more width in the downswing…
Thanks Andy, for the good explanation. After years, finally starting to understand it 😅
Quality video as always Andy. I’ve got into the habit of feeling my lower body start the backswing, but these drills make a lot of sense. Will definitely try them out!
This is interesting. All the instruction I have seen for a good number of years is based on the lower body starting the down swing which drags the arms down as the upper body follows the lower.
Its a great way to control the swing path.
Thanks Andy, for the clear explanation of the golfswing
My pleasure Rob. Glad you understood it
Nice explanation on getting the arms down, then rotating. This should help with my recurring slice. Never know when it will show up.
Remember the slice is often rotate then arms down!
Practice ARMS DOWN 1st
@@andycartergolf Thanks! The trick will be getting my body to listen to my brain!
I have a G-Force 7 iron. Just starting to hit most of them straight. Thanks for the video. Now I know what I am doing right and I can emphasize that.
Looks like a fabulous drill: will certainly give it a go. Thanks for sharing
Awesome, good luck with it and let us know how you’re doing
What a lovely beach. This addresses my main fault very nicely. Thanks for the great explanation and post.
Hi Andy, I really enjoyed this video. It definitely works, thanks.
WOW! lower then turn. And amateurs turn then lower. SO TRUE! I just discovered how I was making this mistake. I was hitting weak irons with slices, lots of fat shots. Now I think at the top of the backswing drop your arms instead of lashing out at the ball by turning my shoulders at it. HUGE DIFFERENCE!
Struggle with flipping, going to use that split hand drill! Thanks. Lost so many balls left last weekend, hopefully that will help!!
Its a great but a bloody frustrating drill ha! Enjoy
It's a good drill but it probably won't necessarily stop you from flipping unless you get your pivot right.
Will try for next few months, thanks
The golf swing is indeed a complex move wherein you are always trying to coordinate body turn and arm movement to synchronise and produce that square, open or closed club face….relative to the shot you want to hit (as Peter Cowen would say!)…nice video…thanks Andy.
Excellent break down! Thanks.
Great video !! Especially your total honesty is very refreshing to see on these training videos!! Keep it up please !
Honesty is the best policy!
@@andycartergolf Does this apply for drivers too, or just irons?
Looking forward to trying this one.
It works!
What a great video! I love Cowen but find him confusing.
That “turn first” is killing my driver, occurs usually when I try to put a bit more into it & get a booming slice… this vid makes so much sense & I guess repetitive drills are going to be the main way to cure… any other tips for stopping it?!
Yes I will see if I am doing this at the range....if not I will try it
Absolutely gold; thank you
We've got .08 of a second from club parallel to impact, so we obviously can't consciously 'wait' till then to turn. I can do Rory's drill all day and get the 'feel', but when I go to hit the ball I'm back with my old 'patterns' (as Tiger would say!) How do you translate the feel of the Rory drill into the proper swing...deliberately hold the hips back from turning?
Great point Ken! I prefer to squat in transition, this load the glutes and the club automatically drops into place. So squat, then rotate with the lower body in that sequence. Works for me.
Thanks, will try this! Pete tells Matsuyama that he can only practice it in the gym. Would be interesting to see a video showing the drills there.
ive done split hands drill a lot in past (nicked it out of an old leadbetter book) without knowing why! for me it helped body rotation and a right side release.
my advice for ordinary golfers like me is to drills off a tee to start with to give u confidence! or like me sponge balls in garage where you cant see where they go!
Perfect advise 🙌🏽
Great stuff Andy - solid instructional vlog and well delivered
Cheers
Great Advice teaching tips
Thx, Carter, for the great explanation and demonstration of Pete's lesson! btw, I hope you're avoiding the UK's extreme heat!
There was extreme heat?
Andy very well explained
Thanks! This is good quality content. Rgds Olle
Great video! Just wondering if this method will slow down the swing speed or if there is way to see how the swing speed won’t be decreased?
This video changed my life
Glad its helped bud
From what i have seen of PC, this move is inititiated by the left shoulder muscle dropping, not by pulling the hands down. (imho)
Its the depth and and direction of the left shoulder (downswing) that is used to shape the ball. least that's how i understood it. there is also another video out there of PC giving another youtuber a lesson on the exact same thing
He talks about loading the shoulders and using this the initiate the downswing.
But pulling the hands down also releases the loading of the shoulders down.
I deliver the lessons in a way for amateur golfers to understand.
@@andycartergolf spose its all down to an individuals feels, if my hands are the feel i tend not to unload the shoulders, and start pulling accross the path.👍
Is it suitable for a beginner who has just started playing golf to go to the driving range?
Of course. You’re in s perfect position to learn it.
Great again mate. My flexibility is gone, I can't do a lot of what you teach as my spine is fused. Is there a chance you could teach a swing for flexibility limited golfers, I go ok, play off 12, but can't find a simple swing as rotation is an issue.
Yes I have some cool vids coming out I think you’ll like and appreciate. Stay tuned
@@andycartergolf can't wait, thanks mate, hope your ladies are doing well 👍
Called dropping it into the slot -- the way you arm drops in front of your right hip -- when you throw a ball from third base or short stop to to first base. YOU DROP INTO THE SLOT and then turn.
Can this transition be apply on the driver too..
Yes absolutely. There’s a video all about driver transition that I released this week. Give that a watch
Andy, great vid. Does the right arm straighten when coming down or does it remain bent then straighten after impact.
It remains bent and straightens through the release point of the follow through.
However as a drill its good to feel the right arm extend down whilst maintaining wrist hinge as if helps you feel the club in front of your body
Wow, that place looks completely burned out. And yes the downswing, so important to do this to crunch it.
Thanks
Great video and explanation on whats going on! Are you doing any in person lessons while your back in Manchester?
I’m not sure exactly when I’m back in Manchester yet to be honest. I will be doing but it may be September
Would that early extension fault potentially cause the dreaded shanks? I’ve been playing really nicely recently, however had a case of the shanks at the range today. This drill sorted me right out and actually ended up hitting driver the best I’ve ever hit it! Like absolutely smoking it off the end of the range 😂 thanks for the great videos but this one in particular saved the day!
Early extension can cause the shanks yes… but it seems this vid has helped you fix an issue so happy days. No more shanks, kick on and keel improving bud
@@andycartergolf absolutely, thank you!
Andy, thanks for "showing" me how to stop coming over the top.
I am so sorry. I didn’t know this was one of your vids. Thumbnail threw me. Headed to the course in a few, I’ll try this on the range.
You are forgiven!
Does this work with the driver? I cannot stop pull/ hooking the ball 😪just don't know what to do anymore 😪
Yeah because it promotes a neutral path.
But if you’re struggling come for a lesson. Find me on Skillest app and I’ll tell you exactly why you’re struggling
Won’t pulling the club down result in an extended lead wrist and open clubface?
Only if you open the face as you do it. But it won’t directly lead to an open face
Where do we get help if we live in Tampa Florida?
skillest.app.link/profile?u=g93yTpGrdMJBCMDST
I coach online. We can even do live zooms. Its a really good app
Mmmm, yeah, this is absolutely brilliant lesson! Even for me, thanks a lot, Andy! Cheers from Russia 🇷🇺
My pleasure. Glad it has helped
All the best
So the spiral staircase drill. Start with left ankle right shin etc then opposite on way down right ankle left shin. But your saying start with hands pulling. Get so confused 🙈
Á transition ‘feel’ is dependent on the players fault in the first place.
From experience the majority of ams start the transitions from the shoulders and hips causing an out to in path.
"Overhand Golf" has a similar transition
Some outstanding graphics, as well.
This is proof golf is hard
split hand grip's rory's tip
Andy are you the first golfer on the moon
Yes 👍🏽
This is the move why pro are consistent vs the amateur.
Minimal wrist movement.
Mark Evershed
Pete Cowen knows so much about golf… it’s a shame he uses words that don’t translate so easily into swing lessons to many of us. You used the phrase turn the hips and I’ve heard so many state the hips DON’T turn but rather move backward and foward. When watching your tip of getting the arm back down before turning I wonder if you want us to get the weight back on to the lead foot first. You are lucky enough to be talented in golf like Rory you dress alike and probably hit the same kind of ball. Damn you might just be the non Irish Rory in disguise. Liked your video in general. The Pete Cowen comment was a bit tongue in cheek!
Probably too much info for most mates... I see heads spinning 😂
If i was vague some people would say theres not enough info 😂
Pulling the club? Don’t think so.
If its not your feel that’s ok.
For me it is mine & for other too
It’s my feel but not by 1st lowering the arm or pulling with the arms or hands. Once you’re set into your forward pivotal axis the the core and hips start the downswing and the arms go along for the ride. Otherwise you will impart an external force that will require some sort of compensation. I think you are doing that but the explanation needs some fine tuning. Good stuff though. I’ve been teaching for over 20 yrs and competed at the mini tour level back in the 90’s.
Amateur golfers need a feel.
Setting hips into a “forward pivotal axis” means absolutely nothing to 9/10 ams!
Most golfers start the swing with a rotation of their hips which causes major issues.
I coach in a language amateurs understand.
You talked too much!
You talk too much 😂
Andy, imho an explanation about how the right forearm/hand/elbow moves would help ppl.
I’m guessing if you tell ppl to pull down, most ppl would pull down vertically like a hand chop which would propel the club head in front of the hands
Not necessarily, but it depends on the player. Its hard to make a generic golf tip personalised to all possible outcomes
@@andycartergolf that’s a fair point.