Andrei Soldatov and Julia Ioffe: Putin and Prigozhin
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ม.ค. 2025
- "Prigozhin, who is happy to play the role of jester, while he's happy to provide Putin with options, he's attacking these people sending a message that look you cannot be completely safe & nobody has any guarantee in this new Russian system,"
Andrei Soldatov and Julia Ioffe speak to Fareed Zakaria on CNN
Julia is the best Russian commentator there is, I hope the Governments are consulting her.
She needs to do some reading...
Julia immigrated from Russia with her family when she was 7 years old . She was going to be a doctor,like her parents and siblings but she loved political science in college. But she’s probably one of the most knowledgeable people in the world about Russian/European politics. She’s a great analyst too.
@@TennesseeHomesteadUSA I think you need little more ...
@@janstapaj9689 Probably because I have been at this many years before she was.
@@TennesseeHomesteadUSA Yours is not a recognizable name. What have you achieved?
I think if Putin though he COULD safely take out Prigozhin, he would have done so. A key point in this discussion is that Prigozhin has his own army. And you can bet he has a very strong security team--not so easy to poison or defenestrate. And with Putin's distrust of the regular army, he has to rely on his own "Praetorian Guard". Is it bigger than Prigozhin's army? Not sure--but I don't think Putin wants to put it to the test with a civil war. If he tries to take down Prigozhin and it becomes an open war between factions, I can easily see the army siding with Prigozhin, and then it's all over for Putin for sure.
Naa, putin just needs to find some evidence of western collusion, raid his offices and announce him as enemy of the state. He would be eliminated in days or seek refuge in some Middle East country - like most warlords and ex presidents do.
I think that Putin still needs Prigozhin and so tolerates him. Prigozhin has delivered the only "victory" in over 450 days of fighting whereas the big Russian army is stuck in the mud. But Russia is over 50 BILLION in debt. How much longer can Russia afford to keep the war going while its income dwindles? I think Putin does not want to admit defeat and hopes he can somehow win the war before Russia goes bankrupt. I believe that soon Putin will be forced out of office to save Russia from bankruptcy.
May they eat their own flesh and drink their own blood and allow Ukraine alone.
I don't think so. The Rosgvardia have 340,000 thugs. They are structured to keep the domestic "peace". The military isn't structured to assault targets inside Russia, especially since Shoigu and Gerasimov are very loyal to Putin. That's why they're still around despite displaying epic levels of incompetence.
I thibk Prigozan doesnt have enough soldiers left in his army in Ukraine to start a civil war. He would need to bring soldiers back from Africa to pull a civil war off.
Julia, you could say "stupidity" a thousand times and it wouldn't be enough. Love your work Julia, have learned a lot from you about russia.
A wink at “Blazing Saddles”.😁
“You said rape twice.”
“I like rape.”
🤣
@@cindymaceda2999 lol, what a great movie.
Awesome interview 👏👏👏🔝🙌
Julia loffe is brilliant
'What happens when the junkyard dog gets off hs chain?' Priceless image.
This has aged well!
Make no mistake, Prigozhin is sending Putin's messages.
INTERESTING TAKE!!!! Maybe! I never gave that angle a thought.
Putin is many things one of them is a student of history. He knows how Starlin played his generals off against each other with very satisfactory results
Stalin did not face this level of corruption in his generals
A great joy to behold! Keep it up.Adore you Major.
What a beautiful woman... 💕 💞 🌎
SHAME ABOUT THAT NOSE....
@@24hourjukebox55 Oww poor baby, show us where they touched you.
@@markuss4133 But he's got a peace sign so it's ok. The amount of antisemitism...
God bless Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇺🇦🇺🇦❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
God bless bless bless Russia and Putin
If you want to understand Putin then listen to Julia Ioffe and Andrei Soldatov!
I saw three big cracks in the Russian empire monolith. Pregozhin, the incursion at Belgorod and the call for not voting for Putin on Russia state TV.
They could grow fast. really fast to everyone surprise.
The expert guests are totally wrong here. Prigozhin's remarks are obviously choreographed by the Kremlin to give the appearance of a semblance of open society, while at the same time keeping the Russian military commanders on their toes and ready to show Putin that Prigozhin is wrong and that they can get the job done. Would not be surprised if Putin wrote out Prigozhin's text himself. Hitler had much the same approach with his top leadership - pitting one against the other - all to his advantage. To think that the Kremlin would allow this type of open criticism otherwise is totally absurd.
I spoke to two 30 year old Russians today in Goa and asked what it was like in Russia becuz news channels are unreliable. According to them they thought the war was good, that Ukraine was their land, and were satisfied with how things were going. Totally different to how we are led to believe what they are thinking by our media. Sanctions against Russia have been ineffective and whilst official Russian data sources suggest that sanctions are working, it's not impossible for the sources to be telling us what we want to hear in order to limit how hard we attempt to enforce sanctions. Russia has not struggled to keep firing very expensive rocket's every day for more than a year or to recruit and equip 3 armies of 2-300,000 troops during this time.
Why is Prigozhin being so outspoken? Maybe Prigozhin is saying exactly what Putin himself would like to say, but can't because it would make him look weak. Maybe Prigozhin and Putin are playing a game of good cop/bad cop. This is the simplest explanation that fits all the facts.
Unbelievable a American that can actually think..well done
It seems that Prigozhin was victorious in capturing Bakhmut. Or did the Ukrainian army let him take Bakhmut? At the start of the clash over Bakhmut Prigozhin controlled about 50 km of the front line. But when he finally did grab Bakhmut he controlled less than 5 km of the front line. The clash has cost Prigozhin enormously. Did the Ukrainian army seriously deplete the Wagner forces such that they can more easily be defeated when the Ukrainian army launches its big counter offense? Meanwhile Prigozhin likes to think he captured Bakhmut and delivered a victory to Putin. But this is the only "victory" that Putin has in over 450 days of fighting and losing so many thousands of soldiers and so much equipment. The Russian economy will soon be bankrupt if Putin continues with his war. So, Putin still needs Prigozhin and the Wagner forces. Hence he tolerates Prigozhin. Prigozhin like to think he is a great military commander and is trumpeting his success. But Russia is now more than 50 BILLION in debt and the war continues to cost the Russian economy dearly. So to save Russia from bankruptcy Putin must be forcibly removed from office. I believe it will happen soon because Russia's income has dwindled but its debt has ballooned enormously. The Russian economy is approaching its tipping pooint.
Lol....rest in pieces ukriane...🤡💯
Everything you say is based on Russia losing militarily and there is absolutely no sign of that except in Western media.
Is a victory with some many youg lives lost a victory,? suppose if you are a Russian billionaire it is. Russia is finished even if it takes Ukraine.
I too understsand that there have been tons of reports in the US, that Bakhmut cost Prigozan tens iof thiousands of soldiers. Ukraine pulled out b/c of their giant losses. the issue I struggle with is WHY WAS BAKHMUT so important? I’m an old lady but I don’t see any clear military benefit of conquering Bakhumt except to tell the russians they finally won something. In reality, I think that Crimea is a better winning strategy for Ukraine. Russian military officers and russian people are leaving Crimea in droves. Perhaps this is where the huge countrer offensive should take place……forget eastern Ukraine right now. Capture the entire Crimea and the war is over?????
@@deborahdonnelly8423 The roads near and around Bakhmut were of importance. These are supply routes. So whoever controls Bakhmut controls the supply routes. Now the Russians are exhausted.
😂😂😂
Details: Total combat losses of the Russian forces between 24 February and 29 April 2023 are estimated to be as follows [figures in parentheses represent the latest losses - ed.]:
190,040 (+580) military personnel,
3,697 (+3) tanks,
7,184 (+3) armoured combat vehicles,
2,908 (+3) artillery systems,
543 (+0) multiple-launch rocket systems,
294 (+0) air defence systems,
308 (+0) aircraft,
294 (+0) helicopters,
2,471 (+4) operational-tactical UAVs,
932 (+21) cruise missiles,
18 (+0) ships/boats,
5,836 (+17) vehicles and tankers,
355 (+2) special vehicles.
Estimated by whom. The Kiev regime which isvreally know for its honesty...tell me where did all these Russians die, help me i want to believe you, what battle ?
@@samsungtap4183 so I guess you belive by Russia estimated only around 5to 10 thusends die .Let me see your mathematics, when war start Russia has around 180 to 200 thusends solders at Ukrainian borders so if only around 10 thusends dies why in hell Putin called for partial mobilization at all if only around 10 thusends die next why Russian army is pulling old tanks and equipment from storage older than I'm. Why they ask Iranian for help or North Korea or China or India if are so well stuck up with any loss. Why in hell Russia have so much plans but do not establish air superiority at all ...and just show me exactly when last time Russia or piece of shit Putin or USSR was telling truth at all !!
If the English is not better, just use pure captions. That guy was REALLY hard to understand. Had to go back and listen again. And of course, it certainly is important material we want to understand well.
Julia ioffe is magnificent!!
Looks like Gollum.
Too short.
I love tht frase junk yard dog frm this very intelligent attractive woman .Thts so cool Thts exactly what he is 👌
Glory to Ukraine !!!
If I were to be Prygozhin I would stay clear of windows, cars, and after shaves.
It tells us that Putin never hears a single word of Pregohzins rants
Andrei can do what he wants.
Prigozhin doesn't have any big army left. 80% are dead by now.
I still don't understand where Prigozhin's financing is coming from. Stealing recourses from Africa? Who then is buying that stuff? Paying for the Wagner Group, in other words....
The Kremlin and oligarchs. Buy diamonds and precious metals from Wagner. Then sell them in on world markets 💰 💎
His Kremlin catering contracts are worth billions. Even after paying putins 60 percent tax, he is doing well without his mining spoils.
Putin confusing the western imperialist 🙂 soon the Ukies will respect their big brother
Really? Why is mighty Russia take so long to do it ? You should be comedian!!
@@janstapaj9689 😄Mighty wagner slaughtered Ukies and Nato mercenaries in Bakhmut 🙂You and Zenleskyy are the only known comedians 🙂🤣
Julia 😍
Imagine - poor old chef, Prigozhin can never go upstairs where there's a window again...
Don't worry, they can help old men climb steps
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three substantially identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994, to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT).
The three memoranda were originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. The United Kingdom and the United States guaranteed that Ukraine would be a sovereign independent nation for giving up its nuclear weapons for world peace. Russia had no right to ever have annexed Crimea. The United Kingdom and the United States had the right to protect Ukraine.
Slavo Ukraine
In 1917 Russian soldiers threw their rifles away and walked home. An army of conscripts has to believe in what they’re doing. Did someone mention Vietnam? Afghanistan?
Prigozhin has pulled back to refit and rearm... Anybody want to bet that he plans to redeploy Wagner forces to Moscow??
I'd take your bet and make you a poor man. Whoops someone is banging on the door, i said the no word "MAN"
You clearly have no idear...Wagner forces are light infantry the battle of Bakhmut was won largely by the absolutely brilliant Russian artillery. They were using artillery pieces like sniper rifles. Every building a Soviet built concret bunker. Unbelievale feat of arms and all you get from the western media is how hopless the Russians are...very very funny !
How safe will Pergozon be if he pulls Wagner out of Ukraine? Dead man walking, I think.
Can he pull them out, the Chechnya army may force them to die just to try and weaken Ukraine. So it is easier for them.
I would take him more seriously if he wasn't himself a butcher.
גם אני
@@ragged_claws_scuttling וגם אני
Why warn people with houses all over the world, that Russia might rebel against the rich?
I'm seriously surprised that Putin hasn't iced this Dude yet.
the Romanovs never went away, yeknow
they are both finished - GLORY TO UKRAINE!!!!!
What's Prigozhin drinking? Blood or coffee?
Yum YUM.
What do assassinations of journalists say about a regime?
It didnt end well for Prigozhin. He was a wild card, and Putin with stealth kills them off.
So far, Prigoshian has been right. So ...
Prigozhin, I mean.
Wagner did NOT "...deliver Bakhmut to Putin...". She needs to do some reading. Ukraine has Bakhmut almost surrounded on the flanks for the offensive.
First if Wagner are not there .Regular Russian army be get wiped in the week ...
Did ya see that guy’s couch?! LOL!
Shows his excellent taste. 😋
You have someone on from FOX? Really? What a joke!
CNN has always had people from both the Left and the Right - hosts, pundits and guests. It is good to hear a variety of opinions, even if (especially if) you don't agree with them.
Юлия не Российский комментатор! Американский!
What's he drinking? Blood or coffee?
Julia Ioffe looks different.
I think Putin’s Chef wants to be the next Putin. 🤫
The decisive moments in history of Russia (1917, 1964 Cuban crisis and 1986 Chernobyl disaster) all was decided by secondary line of ranking officers, all you must understand that these military officers got their opinion but no options to act. Prigozhin is a clown, useful fool but has no merit to argue with professional (high ranking) officers, come back to another case history re: 1991 an military cup attempt against Yelchin , you may observe that professional Russian generals kept their distance and managed to settle the situation without causing a nuclear disaster for post soviets Russia...I would be very cautious about speculation that privertes warlords like Prigozhin can influence Kreml elite decisions, Putin can be poison or disposed otherwise, but with whom(?) you'll be taking if not educated and professional military staff? Soberly thanks for reading it ☝
Russia can't win the war and they can't finish the war ! What to do now ? I don't think they have a clou !!!
Zakharia saying about Russia "we thought it was very tightly knit" reflects that unfortunate loss of US expertise on Russia that lead to this moment. Now, it still continues with the White House "we can't let Russia lose" that Ioffe reported on.
Well, a lot of those comments sound pretty stupid by now.
Russians can't even defeat Moose & Squirrel.
Enimigo ma grande tuiter
So none have a clue
Well well look who is coming back. Our tempramental cook leader of Shovel Brigade is back to the office whereas zalunyhi has been missing for few days leaves Zelensky on world begar tour
Russia: Stupidity. Check and check.
American always have time to talk about others . Mostly CNN .
the insane Russian Tzars reincarnate.
I hope Andrei Soldatov is not a tea drinker....
Tuitet yebo platico libing ponerlo china
Future new Stalin
Napoleon -- Borodino. Putin -- Bakhmut.
You - comments
Next discussion " Inside Bidens America " hahaha
wow, what a credible propaganda!
Bloke he is nobody nobody bucko
Ура-а-а-а-а-а!!! 🚩🇷🇺 Слава Армии России! 🚩🇷🇺 победа будет за нами! 🚩🇷🇺 Бог помогает России: ядерное облако от поставок оружия с обеднённым ураном из Англии уже в Польше. Ждём, когда оно накроет саму Англию😂😂😂!!!
Боже, храни Россию от путинского безумия. -> God save Russia from Putin's madness.
@@wendigo53 Да здравствует Путин, защищающий Россию от Дьявола!!! Да здравствует Россия - Русь! Да здравствует Армия России! Да здравствует народ России! Родушка, помоги Руси в годы тяжких испытаний и вражеского нашествия НАТО!
@@ЛадаЛосева-щ9й После ухода Путина Россия будет процветать вместе со своими соседями. -> After Putin's departure, Russia will prosper along with its neighbors.
@@wendigo53 Это ваше мнение. Мы же считаем, что Путин спасает Русь от коричневой чумы - фашизма и сатанизма. Как сказал слепой донбасский провидец Николай Иванович, "рогатый в Англии уже родился, и скоро его коронуют". И все наши святые старцы говорили, что при Антихристе Россия будет самым сильным царством, а русского царя (правителя) будет бояться даже Антихрист. Россия - единственная страна, которая будет жить нормальной жизнью. А вот все другие страны испытают на себе все беды и горести от правления Антихриста.
So called experts
Prigozhin has given Putin some kind of victory. Putin likely still needs him and so will have to tolerate him.
Bhamut is probably the most successful trap ever created in a military history. Ultimately, the Russian managed to turn Bhamut the graveyard of the Ukrainian Army. Atleast, 60,000 Ukrainian soldiers were killed & many more wounded. It's nothing but a complete disaster. Zelensky obsessed over Bhamut where Hitler obsessed with a Stalingrad. And Ukrainian had to pay a terrible price. The Russian 🇷🇺 now waiting one more burst of energy out of Ukrainian which they will annihilate another massive offensive that goes nowhere & then they're going to move to take Odessa & Karkov. This is exactly what is going on right now.
Ой! Какой вы! Спасибо за правильную оценку! Россия Калининград.
Ukraine won Bakhmut. Oh wait, no they didn't . 😂😂😂😂😂😂
ZOV FOR THE WIN......R.I.P. NATO...LOL
Cheering for Z fascists 🤦♂️
NATO is bigger and better than ever dumb ORC
Propaganda.
Did Prigozhin really conquer Bakhmut or did the Ukrainian army let him have what is left of Bakhmut? At this time the Wagner forces had been seriously depleted and controlled less than 5 KM of the front line - it was 50 KM. So the Wagner forces leave and the Russian army takes over. But the Russian army is not as capable and now is getting pushed back by the Ukrainian army.
Prigozhin likes to think the gave Putin a victory. Putin can not end the war. His ego will not let him give up. Hence he will soon be forcibly removed from office just before Russia goes bankrupt. Everything else is like what you said: Propaganda.
@@sparky7915 This is a severe case of being delusional and wishful thinking on your part.
Junk yard dog off his chain RUNS AWAY! This won't end well for Russia!
Propaganda ok a part of war
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_Order_No._00447