I tried this flight in Microsoft FSX in a DC-3, with almost identical results. It's doubtful that any recip-powered passenger aircraft of the Martin's generation could have climbed out of that canyon after enterering at a ridiculously low altitude.
Nicely done. I flew Hueys in the Colorado mountains and had a great respect for the challenges in flying safely. Planning was key and not carrying more weight than was required for the mission plus a fuel reserve. Thank you.
Football players are big guys. 40 of them weigh quite a bit. If it's a hot day in the Rockies, then the density altitude would be really high, and with a plane flying heavy, it likely just couldn't fly.
It crashed because by the time they realized they could not climb out they also could not turn around. The thing is though, that plane should not even have been flying OVER the mountains. The reason why, is because if they were flying above the mountains and lost and engine, the plane would not be able to maintain enough altitude to avoid impact. "Mr. Skipper, by his own testimony, was aware of the "drift down" safety practice employed by airlines and most operators of large aircraft when operating over mountainous terrain. Notwithstanding, he flew the aircraft in the mountain valley below the mountaintops at an altitude higher than the aircraft was capable of maintaining in the event of an engine failure." -Case Study: Martin 404 N464M The correct choice was to fly the route the other aircraft took, which landed safely.
Speaking of flying into a box canyon, a Cessna 150 flew into the large meteor crater outside Flagstaff Arizona, and couldn't get out. Its remains are still on the side of the crater. Also, the planes pictured here are nothing like the plane that crashed. It was a very old Martin 404 that hadn't been flown for several months. It was originally a late-40s airliner similar to the DC-3.
Early '50s actually, and the 404 had quite good performance for its time and it was Not a DC-3 equivalent, it was a much more modern successor with twice the horsepower, was considerably faster, and was pressurized. The majority of them entered service with Eastern and TWA in 1952, followed by most of TWA's 404s being sold to Piedmont about 10 years later, who flew them up through 1970. Mohawk, Allegheny, Southern and some others also flew 404s which eventually would be sold off and went on to fly with a variety of smaller regional carriers, and with private owners. Only a couple or so remain airworthy today and to my knowledge these don't fly anymore (too expensive to operate without deep pockets), and are static displays now. Shame, they make "airplane music" on take-off, marvelous sounds. The 404 is my favorite airliner.
I am very impressed with your channel and how you describe the background of the accident and what went on before and after. I was surprised in this video that you used a Beech 99 for a Martin 404. Now I love the Beech 99 and was very happy to watch it fly around in this video. The 404 was a 40 pax aircraft and the 99 held 15 in normal seating.
Thanks maa’m. And you are correct! I used the Beech for this video as the Martin 404 is not available in the new Microsoft Flight Simulator. Which I wanted to use for this video with its incredible scenery.
@@3Greens I figured there was a very good reason. Sorry I hope you didn't take it the wrong way. You are very good at what you do and have quickly became one of my go to youtube channels for how well you tell the complex stories about aviation accidents. Your telling of the Delta crash at Logan made me finally understand all of what was going on in the cockpit that reading just could not make sense to me. Thank you again for all your hard work. If your are going to sub an aircraft you cant go wrong with the B99
5,000 lbs. overweight and flying in mountains, a recipe for disaster. If I were an informed passenger, no way I’m getting on that plane, even taking the “safer” route!
AOPA Safety Institute just put out a video about a private plane that crashed in the Rockies due to similar lack of planning and being too heavy to climb effectively. Mountain flying is no Sunday stroll!
I've been watching the past few months, and it's been lovely to see you grow. Your videos always have some amazing production value behind them, and hearing your narration get more confident over time has really been a joy. Keep it up! I'm excited to see where you are this time next year :D
Like your presentation, at the school of infantry at Warminster we were introduced to the seven P's. Prior preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance.
Great account of a sad incident; RIP the lads......but...the old adage; 'There are old pilots and there are bold pilots; there are no old bold pilots'.
I read about death in the mountains and WW2 OTU's when I first got fascinated by aviation in the 80s. Even hills and mountains of very moderate height can pull an aircraft out of the sky and inexperienced crews & their low powered, fairly obsolete aircraft were totally overwhelmed by unexpected downdraughts. The Rockies are the real thing, and no place to be sight seeing at low level, in an overweight aeroplane.
So 40 passengers, the starters, coaches, boosters, and luggage and fuel sounds about right to be 5000 over. It makes me wonder if the originally planned DC-6B would have been able to fit the whole team, not be overweight and be able to get to Utah safely however
Seems the inexperienced unqualified owner Crossed too many boundaries. The real pilot should’ve said no You are not flying up here unqualified with me He should’ve put his foot down. He might of got fired But he would be alive As may many others.
you're a poet and don't know it _It seems the unqualified owner_ _Crossed a dangerous boundary._ _The captain should've said, "No sir,_ _You're not flying up here with me."_
I always look forward to your high quality videos. Thank you and Happy Holidays! I wish you and your channel onwards and upwards in the New Year! (Wish I could say the same for the planes in these videos).
Totally unnecessary. The Captain had a very cavalier attitude towards safety which was seen even before they left the runway when he failed to properly monitor the weight of the aircraft before taking off. He must have felt how sluggish the climb rate was as a result, and even the tower noticed it. With that known about the reduced climbing performance of the airplane, who in their right mind would risk the lives of all on board by flying into an unknown mountainous region and without proper navigational information to alert them of the geography.
That is mental decided to watch your full listing and you post the DHL hard landing 4/10/23 12.55 .... Its late lunch time here so you must be burning the midnight oil and im posting this in your today my tomorrow I believe ... Great minds and all that... There are three channels on aviation accidents I watch regular you are one of them.
This is the third video I watched from this channel. I thought the other two were excellent. After watching this one, however, I suggest for your future videos that you spend more time checking your facts and writing your narration more carefully. You state that the Martin 4-0-4 was "only briefly produced in the '50s to be used by the Coast Guard and the Navy, before becoming obsolete." This is misleading. And, hopefully, not intentionally in order to add drama to your video by implying the 4-0-4 was quickly taken out of service by the Coast Guard due to a flawed design. Eastern Airlines purchased 60 Martin 4-0-4's, and TWA purchased 40 of them. Only two were purchased by the Coast Guard for use as "executive transports". The Coast Guard used theirs until 1969, when they were transferred to the Navy, and then retired the following year. It is true that Martin did not continue making 4-0-4's after their initial production. Eastern Airlines and TWA operated their planes from the early '50s until the early '60s, when turbine-powered aircraft replaced them. The Martin 4-0-4's were sold and remained in service until about the mid-'80s. They were operated by 11 other U.S. airlines and 7 other countries. The 4-0-4 was known as a strong, sturdy aircraft. Captain Eddie Rickenbacker, WWI Ace and first CEO of Eastern Airlines, is reported to have said that the 4-0-4 was the best airliner available. Eastern lost only three of its sixty 4-0-4's during those ten years of operation, all due to pilot error and with no fatalities. From the data I found, it appears that TWA also lost three 4-0-4's during its ten years of operation, two involving fatalities. Two of the losses involved pilot error as the primary cause. The other plane changed course for unknown reasons and crashed into a mountain. (Sources: Wikipedia and The Mid-Atlantic Air Museum). You could have found this information easily. The Wikipedia articles I read were well-documented with many references. I looked at several other sources that corroborated what I read on Wikipedia. Another point is that you could have made the purpose of the use of the photos of the two planes that were not Martin 4-0-4's, more clear. I did not notice the on-screen text about their use for simulation purposes until, after a shot of the interior, I went back to reconcile how 40 passengers could possibly fit in a plane that looked capable of seating only half that many. It would have been better to make mention of this in your narration. Overall, from what little I have seen, the channel has much promise. However, if I start to suspect that errors and confusing information are used to draw comments and extend "minutes watched" for the purpose of padding TH-cam stats, I will bail on this channel in a heartbeat.
@@KristenDETW I am calm. You, however, sound triggered. Your qualification that, "...it's TH-cam", also gives latitude to me, and so you should follow your own advice to "Calm down".
Oh FFS - at 2.12 a text appears (can't miss it!!) stating that the Beechcraft was used as a simulation of the real aircraft. You seem to have not watched this video closely enough.
Yes, that is disappointing. It was noted, though, with a blurb at the bottom of the screen. Still, using the wrong aircraft really should be considered an inexcusable flaw.
I have no idea why the Martin 404 was not pictured for the flight. The substitution of the Beech 99 is a disservice to the viewer. If they can computer generate the Beech they can generate the Martin, far as I am concerned. We ought be seeing climb per minute capabilities of the aircraft at MSL and AGL at whatever temperature was the case On the Day.
A typical CFIT accident due to losing altitude during a high banking turn, especially with their already questionable climb performance. Had they closely favoured one side of the valley they may have been safely able to execute a backtracking circuit, but if close proximity high terrain caught them by surprise unless they had the power to perform a steep climb they were doomed, entirely on account of appalling airmanship and a complete absence of flight planning with an effective briefing. The unqualified non-endorsed company CEO had ZERO business being on the flight deck much less as an operating crew member. That in and of itself highlights his extreme arrogance combined with his total ignorance of aviation safety exacerbated by his portentously cavalier attitude. Mountain flying is extremely perilous under the best circumstances let alone blindly buzzing about valleys with lamentable climb performance. Illustrating even further their aviation safety ignorance. Within proximity to elevated terrain weather changes rapidly without indication quickly becoming remarkably treacherous, invisible air current phenomenon are just two of a myriad of considerations for mountain flying which is amongst, if not the most challenging aviation operations of all. There was an extremely steep flight deck gradient in the opposite direction of capability vs authority. Despite CRM not being conceived at that time this is an example of its total absence and demonstrates its vital importance. This accident is similar to to a 2004 CFIT accident in Afghanistan that claimed the lives of all 6 occupants onboard a CASA C-212 aircraft, as a consequence of civilian charter pilots flying a non-standard route through unfamiliar mountain valleys 'for fun' while operating on behalf of the US military ferrying military personnel and equipment out of Bagram Air Base. The CASA C-212 aircraft involved was one of a couple on charter from Presidential Airways in the United States. There are innumerable GA examples of mountain flying CFIT accidents particularly due to rotors that roll down with tremendous forces involved, along with flying centrally up an unknown valley discovering higher than expected terrain with insufficient climb performance, ultimately complicated by flying centrally through the valley rather than safely preferring one side or the other to facilitate an effective turning circuit to backtrack.
I am really struggling with this visualisation given the Beech model used and how vastly different it is to the accident aircraft, surely there’s more comparable aircraft available for this sim? I actually tuned in because of the thumbnail which highlights the Beech aircraft which for anyone who follows aviation accidents would raise a question since the model you chose is well known for being involved in very few fatal crashes. The 404 however has a less impressive safety record. It is inaccurate and misleading for a channel professing to report accurately on incidents and events in aviation - with respect.
I would have preferred some sort of notice saying that there was a substitution since the aircraft are quite different. I believe a Convair 240 would have been comparable, though in that case they are still right different with the Martin having required a replaced wing after some significant crashes if I remember correctly. The substitution did bother me throughout the video.
Looks like you've got alot of viewers. Personally, I'm just not into watching "aviation cartoons". I usually click away as fast as I can and feel Baited. Wish you would do more video clips (etc..) in your presentations, if you dont already. Jus my two cents.
I tried this flight in Microsoft FSX in a DC-3, with almost identical results. It's doubtful that any recip-powered passenger aircraft of the Martin's generation could have climbed out of that canyon after enterering at a ridiculously low altitude.
Nicely done. I flew Hueys in the Colorado mountains and had a great respect for the challenges in flying safely. Planning was key and not carrying more
weight than was required for the mission plus a fuel reserve. Thank you.
So Skipper wasn't the skipper, but because he was Skipper and skipper of the company, he really was the skipper?
Pilots say to never fly anywhere that your brain hasn't been 5 minutes before.
Being overweight with density altitude sounds dangerous already. But there were nine crash survivors; gratitude for that. Great video! 💛🙏🏼
They got too careless. It's like how we forget how dangerous driving is.
Football players are big guys. 40 of them weigh quite a bit. If it's a hot day in the Rockies, then the density altitude would be really high, and with a plane flying heavy, it likely just couldn't fly.
It crashed because by the time they realized they could not climb out they also could not turn around.
The thing is though, that plane should not even have been flying OVER the mountains. The reason why, is because if they were flying above the mountains and lost and engine, the plane would not be able to maintain enough altitude to avoid impact.
"Mr. Skipper, by his own testimony, was aware of the "drift down" safety practice employed by airlines and most operators of large aircraft when operating over mountainous terrain. Notwithstanding, he flew the aircraft in the mountain valley below the mountaintops at an altitude higher than the aircraft was capable of maintaining in the event of an engine failure." -Case Study: Martin 404 N464M
The correct choice was to fly the route the other aircraft took, which landed safely.
Speaking of flying into a box canyon, a Cessna 150 flew into the large meteor crater outside Flagstaff Arizona, and couldn't get out. Its remains are still on the side of the crater. Also, the planes pictured here are nothing like the plane that crashed. It was a very old Martin 404 that hadn't been flown for several months. It was originally a late-40s airliner similar to the DC-3.
He does actually say that. The 404 is shown in an inset screen but the Beechcraft was required for the simulation.
Early '50s actually, and the 404 had quite good performance for its time and it was Not a DC-3 equivalent, it was a much more modern successor with twice the horsepower, was considerably faster, and was pressurized. The majority of them entered service with Eastern and TWA in 1952, followed by most of TWA's 404s being sold to Piedmont about 10 years later, who flew them up through 1970. Mohawk, Allegheny, Southern and some others also flew 404s which eventually would be sold off and went on to fly with a variety of smaller regional carriers, and with private owners. Only a couple or so remain airworthy today and to my knowledge these don't fly anymore (too expensive to operate without deep pockets), and are static displays now. Shame, they make "airplane music" on take-off, marvelous sounds. The 404 is my favorite airliner.
So horribly sad, so easily avoidable. This crash should never have happened.
Mind boggling that anyone claimed the University with no AOC was the operator of the flight! Thanks again for the video
And what would AOC mean sir
@@hzmicide1738 aeronautical operations certification
@@hzmicide1738 air operator certificate
The second u said “football team”
My thought was over loaded
Skipper was only 34 years old and was president/ceo of an airline? What the hell did I do wrong with my life 😞
You were born in the wrong place without a silver spoon.
That or you're a lazy fuck, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Apparently he wasn’t a very good one so don’t feel too bad about it
I am very impressed with your channel and how you describe the background of the accident and what went on before and after. I was surprised in this video that you used a Beech 99 for a Martin 404. Now I love the Beech 99 and was very happy to watch it fly around in this video. The 404 was a 40 pax aircraft and the 99 held 15 in normal seating.
Thanks maa’m. And you are correct! I used the Beech for this video as the Martin 404 is not available in the new Microsoft Flight Simulator. Which I wanted to use for this video with its incredible scenery.
@@3Greens I figured there was a very good reason. Sorry I hope you didn't take it the wrong way. You are very good at what you do and have quickly became one of my go to youtube channels for how well you tell the complex stories about aviation accidents. Your telling of the Delta crash at Logan made me finally understand all of what was going on in the cockpit that reading just could not make sense to me. Thank you again for all your hard work. If your are going to sub an aircraft you cant go wrong with the B99
@@karenbaisch2868 Didn't take it the wrong way at all! Thanks for your kind words and support :)
I flew a Beech 99 as a cargo-version in the 80s in Germany. No there are only a few serviceable.
@@3Greens doesn’t MFS have something of a similar size, perhaps the ATR42?
My mom was good friends with Randy Jackson, one of the players who survived the accident. He ended up being my moms school coach at her school
5,000 lbs. overweight and flying in mountains, a recipe for disaster. If I were an informed passenger, no way I’m getting on that plane, even taking the “safer” route!
In that same season, and only six weeks after this crash, the Marshall football team's plane crashed.
Once again a well documented videos with great explenations. Thank you for all the video this year. I hope it will keep on for 2022!
PILOT: We gunna take the scenic route
DENSITY ALTITUDE: You were saying?
AOPA Safety Institute just put out a video about a private plane that crashed in the Rockies due to similar lack of planning and being too heavy to climb effectively. Mountain flying is no Sunday stroll!
Yep I saw that video too. And as you say, it's remarkable how similar that crash was to this one.
I've been watching the past few months, and it's been lovely to see you grow. Your videos always have some amazing production value behind them, and hearing your narration get more confident over time has really been a joy. Keep it up! I'm excited to see where you are this time next year :D
Your videos keep getting better! This channel is about to blow up
No NO! It's the 6-P's. Prior, Planning, Prevents, Piss, Poor, Performance.
or, "it's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the sky, than to be in the sky wishing you were on the ground".
"Overconfident captain ignores the rules and causes a crash" -- Sadly, this seems to be the major theme of these accidents.
Overloaded and flying through the mountains. What can go wrong?
yep, you can't fix stupid.
Like your presentation, at the school of infantry at Warminster we were introduced to the seven P's. Prior preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance.
We learned it as 'Prior planning plus preparation prevents piss poor performance'.
@@MrTruckerf That's eight P's. The British are only allowed seven.
5000 pounds overweight in a medium sized plane in a high altitude environment is really, really bad ...
You have a new sub for this unknown case. Aviation enthusiast here, quality video yours!
Great account of a sad incident; RIP the lads......but...the old adage; 'There are old pilots and there are bold pilots; there are no old bold pilots'.
Love your voice . Your channel is awesome 🍿💯⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I read about death in the mountains and WW2 OTU's when I first got fascinated by aviation in the 80s. Even hills and mountains of very moderate height can pull an aircraft out of the sky and inexperienced crews & their low powered, fairly obsolete aircraft were totally overwhelmed by unexpected downdraughts. The Rockies are the real thing, and no place to be sight seeing at low level, in an overweight aeroplane.
Unrelated to the crash, Wichita State discontinued its football program in 1986. They still have a pretty good basketball team though.
NCAA Div. I, American Conference, for thoe who might not be familiar with the program
Wow, very well done! I just discovered your channel and your productions are excellent!
From Logan
Lived near Loveland Pass. Been to Witchita. Loved the video.
I'm not a pilot. How the heck do you not know what's ahead of you? It just seems like common sense.
So 40 passengers, the starters, coaches, boosters, and luggage and fuel sounds about right to be 5000 over. It makes me wonder if the originally planned DC-6B would have been able to fit the whole team, not be overweight and be able to get to Utah safely however
Regardless of civil liability, why did Skipper not go to prison for, at least, criminally negligent homicide?
Seems the inexperienced unqualified owner
Crossed too many boundaries.
The real pilot should’ve said no
You are not flying up here unqualified with me
He should’ve put his foot down.
He might of got fired
But he would be alive
As may many others.
Allah will also teach us and can use those gone before us for our learning.
might have
you're a poet and don't know it
_It seems the unqualified owner_
_Crossed a dangerous boundary._
_The captain should've said, "No sir,_
_You're not flying up here with me."_
This makes me think of the Marshall crash that killed their entire football team, the Thundering Herd.
Holy smokes 13,000 feet is like the height you would skydive from at sea level. There's freakin rock up there in Colorado.
Love your work
I like your videos. I hope you continue making them and get better and better. Thank-you.
Another excellent video!
Excellent well produced video!
I always look forward to your high quality videos. Thank you and Happy Holidays! I wish you and your channel onwards and upwards in the New Year! (Wish I could say the same for the planes in these videos).
I love the voice action, sounds exactly like npc's from Skyrim :D
Totally unnecessary. The Captain had a very cavalier attitude towards safety which was seen even before they left the runway when he failed to properly monitor the weight of the aircraft before taking off. He must have felt how sluggish the climb rate was as a result, and even the tower noticed it. With that known about the reduced climbing performance of the airplane, who in their right mind would risk the lives of all on board by flying into an unknown mountainous region and without proper navigational information to alert them of the geography.
That is mental decided to watch your full listing and you post the DHL hard landing 4/10/23 12.55 .... Its late lunch time here so you must be burning the midnight oil and im posting this in your today my tomorrow I believe ... Great minds and all that... There are three channels on aviation accidents I watch regular you are one of them.
A) Fly as high as possible over mountains! Basic logic.
Well done. Just subscribed. All the best.
Climb performance is a major issue.
So all first first string was killed? Dam they definitely lost that game on Sunday.
This is the third video I watched from this channel. I thought the other two were excellent. After watching this one, however, I suggest for your future videos that you spend more time checking your facts and writing your narration more carefully. You state that the Martin 4-0-4 was "only briefly produced in the '50s to be used by the Coast Guard and the Navy, before becoming obsolete." This is misleading. And, hopefully, not intentionally in order to add drama to your video by implying the 4-0-4 was quickly taken out of service by the Coast Guard due to a flawed design. Eastern Airlines purchased 60 Martin 4-0-4's, and TWA purchased 40 of them. Only two were purchased by the Coast Guard for use as "executive transports". The Coast Guard used theirs until 1969, when they were transferred to the Navy, and then retired the following year. It is true that Martin did not continue making 4-0-4's after their initial production. Eastern Airlines and TWA operated their planes from the early '50s until the early '60s, when turbine-powered aircraft replaced them. The Martin 4-0-4's were sold and remained in service until about the mid-'80s. They were operated by 11 other U.S. airlines and 7 other countries. The 4-0-4 was known as a strong, sturdy aircraft. Captain Eddie Rickenbacker, WWI Ace and first CEO of Eastern Airlines, is reported to have said that the 4-0-4 was the best airliner available. Eastern lost only three of its sixty 4-0-4's during those ten years of operation, all due to pilot error and with no fatalities. From the data I found, it appears that TWA also lost three 4-0-4's during its ten years of operation, two involving fatalities. Two of the losses involved pilot error as the primary cause. The other plane changed course for unknown reasons and crashed into a mountain. (Sources: Wikipedia and The Mid-Atlantic Air Museum). You could have found this information easily. The Wikipedia articles I read were well-documented with many references. I looked at several other sources that corroborated what I read on Wikipedia. Another point is that you could have made the purpose of the use of the photos of the two planes that were not Martin 4-0-4's, more clear. I did not notice the on-screen text about their use for simulation purposes until, after a shot of the interior, I went back to reconcile how 40 passengers could possibly fit in a plane that looked capable of seating only half that many. It would have been better to make mention of this in your narration. Overall, from what little I have seen, the channel has much promise. However, if I start to suspect that errors and confusing information are used to draw comments and extend "minutes watched" for the purpose of padding TH-cam stats, I will bail on this channel in a heartbeat.
Thanks for the info and feedback mate.
Thanks for all that information, James.
@@3Greens it was well said but I did like the production of your video over many others. Like any other profession, always keep improving.
Jesus Christ, it's TH-cam. Calm down.
@@KristenDETW I am calm. You, however, sound triggered. Your qualification that, "...it's TH-cam", also gives latitude to me, and so you should follow your own advice to "Calm down".
First time through, i missed seeing that you were substituting a Beechcraft for the Martin.
Conspiracy theory:,
Modest Pelican Gaming and 3 Greens are the same person
Why did you use a beech king air , calling it a Martin 404 for your vid
If you put your thinking cap on, you can probably figure it out
Yeah, he was more interested in covering a sensational story than in waiting until he could tell (or show) it accurately.
The political structure of this deal which contributed to This Disaster sounds eerily similar to the politics surrounding the Lynyrd Skynyrd crash
How was so many people squeezed onto that little ass plane😰
That "little ass plane" is bigger than it seems
Maybe they just have smaller booties 🤷♂️
the sim didn't have the 40 seat Martin 404s actually used. 3G chose a Beech 99 with just 18 seats.
Hadn’t flown since 1967? Great idea
Maybe the pilot rooted for the other ream? 😬
DC-3 would be a better stand in for the Martin 404
Finally new video 😎☺️
You missed a P. Piss Poor Performance.
The one I Know is, "Pre-planning and preparation prevents piss poor performance".
Good content.
That small turboprop will NOT hold 40 people......Maybe 10...........AND NO type rating is required to fly a small turboprop,.........Paul
If Boeing was smart they would move every last nut and bolt to Wichita.
Good point... their product would doubtless improve.
step 1: set cc to auto-translate to english
step 2: skip to 1:48
result: "defend your nuts"
Why does it seem like thr more coulpable pilot lives while the other dies?
No offense, but I've done well in my life not putting whether i live or die in the hands of someone who willing goes by "Skipper"
What a .. shocker
What about a Piracicaba Beechcraft King Air Crash?
I try and never fly with mountains level with my line of site.
Low pass of the Rockies! Even better
5000lbs overweight?? Seems a bit far fetched.
Agree
very irresponsible airmanship ....
Chime in... Full flaps and full power and try and do a level wing or slightly bank U turn.
The airplane in your animation is NOT a Martin 404, it is a Beech 99.
Oh FFS - at 2.12 a text appears (can't miss it!!) stating that the Beechcraft was used as a simulation of the real aircraft. You seem to have not watched this video closely enough.
5000 lbs. sounds like an awful lot even on a larger vehicle.
No music please
Good video. Algorithm comment.
Skipper, by name and by nature...
The seven P's are prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance.
Those are Beechcraft 99’s depicted.
Yes, that is disappointing. It was noted, though, with a blurb at the bottom of the screen. Still, using the wrong aircraft really should be considered an inexcusable flaw.
@@sludge4125 The sim he was using doesn't have that aircraft available........It's not a big deal really
@@xeldinn86 You are right. 👍👍👍
I have no idea why the Martin 404 was not pictured for the flight. The substitution of the Beech 99 is a disservice to the viewer. If they can computer generate the Beech they can generate the Martin, far as I am concerned. We ought be seeing climb per minute capabilities of the aircraft at MSL and AGL at whatever temperature was the case On the Day.
Obsolete types generally only get simmed if they're famous. The Martin airliners are anything but.
@@RatPfink66 Then they should have used another larger type which looks something like a Martin 404. (Convair 580, Saab 340, etc)
How about YOU make the animation and donate it if it's so easy?
@@RatPfink66 Don't be dissing the 404. It's a fine aircraft.
Irresponsible idiots taking a risk like that with people’s lives.
A typical CFIT accident due to losing altitude during a high banking turn, especially with their already questionable climb performance. Had they closely favoured one side of the valley they may have been safely able to execute a backtracking circuit, but if close proximity high terrain caught them by surprise unless they had the power to perform a steep climb they were doomed, entirely on account of appalling airmanship and a complete absence of flight planning with an effective briefing.
The unqualified non-endorsed company CEO had ZERO business being on the flight deck much less as an operating crew member.
That in and of itself highlights his extreme arrogance combined with his total ignorance of aviation safety exacerbated by his portentously cavalier attitude.
Mountain flying is extremely perilous under the best circumstances let alone blindly buzzing about valleys with lamentable climb performance. Illustrating even further their aviation safety ignorance.
Within proximity to elevated terrain weather changes rapidly without indication quickly becoming remarkably treacherous, invisible air current phenomenon are just two of a myriad of considerations for mountain flying which is amongst, if not the most challenging aviation operations of all.
There was an extremely steep flight deck gradient in the opposite direction of capability vs authority.
Despite CRM not being conceived at that time this is an example of its total absence and demonstrates its vital importance.
This accident is similar to to a 2004 CFIT accident in Afghanistan that claimed the lives of all 6 occupants onboard a CASA C-212 aircraft, as a consequence of civilian charter pilots flying a non-standard route through unfamiliar mountain valleys 'for fun' while operating on behalf of the US military ferrying military personnel and equipment out of Bagram Air Base.
The CASA C-212 aircraft involved was one of a couple on charter from Presidential Airways in the United States.
There are innumerable GA examples of mountain flying CFIT accidents particularly due to rotors that roll down with tremendous forces involved, along with flying centrally up an unknown valley discovering higher than expected terrain with insufficient climb performance, ultimately complicated by flying centrally through the valley rather than safely preferring one side or the other to facilitate an effective turning circuit to backtrack.
What's up with the accent?
"WHAT'S WITH THE BEECHCRAFT QUEEN AIRS."
He couldn’t find a sample of the real plane.
You showed only a Beech Queen Air but yet say it’s a Martin 404?? Way off there
again... it states clearly in the video that the beech is used to represent the martin. not everybody has amazing models of every aircraft....
Um, it wasn't VERY clearly stated.
Stop calling people by their last names. Call them by their first names.
Wow disaster waiting to happen, cause pilot can't correct his boss copilot.
I am really struggling with this visualisation given the Beech model used and how vastly different it is to the accident aircraft, surely there’s more comparable aircraft available for this sim? I actually tuned in because of the thumbnail which highlights the Beech aircraft which for anyone who follows aviation accidents would raise a question since the model you chose is well known for being involved in very few fatal crashes. The 404 however has a less impressive safety record. It is inaccurate and misleading for a channel professing to report accurately on incidents and events in aviation - with respect.
I would have preferred some sort of notice saying that there was a substitution since the aircraft are quite different. I believe a Convair 240 would have been comparable, though in that case they are still right different with the Martin having required a replaced wing after some significant crashes if I remember correctly. The substitution did bother me throughout the video.
@@TranscendianIntendor There ... was notice of the substitution near the beginning of the video
You don't "rent out". You "lease".
Edit:
Also, not "less crashes" but "fewer crashes".
Utterly reckless
It’s a turbine engine and their running it a little rich ? 🤣🥴
Sounds like they should have paid for a better pilot
People should only buy vtol planes.
Pilot error.
Looks like you've got alot of viewers. Personally, I'm just not into watching "aviation cartoons". I usually click away as fast as I can and feel Baited. Wish you would do more video clips (etc..) in your presentations, if you dont already. Jus my two cents.
fly donkey ears stretch long with 2 stamock attack to long ears
Donkeys have more sense than to travel by plane.
The guys voice is irritating