Great !! Glad to hear that. Sometimes it takes a while to get around to this one or that one, but eventually.....maybe I'll get to ALL of them. Actually I've decided to move a few down the highway. Thanks for taking a looksee !!
Oh I'm gonna break the streak with the next one...its a pretty B L U E !! LOL. Then maybe back to red or something orange or yellow....just don't know yet !! I'm glad to see your firewood bundles selling like hot cakes buddy !!
SHE LIVES! Nicely done! Mice can do more damage than people could ever imagine to a sitting vehicle or piece of equipment. Luckily old iron has very few wires on it. haha I'm mostly a Massey guy to but all old iron has some sort of story and sentimental value to it so I don't care what name is on it...love seeing them brought back to life!
I agree with each of your statements above. Some of the tractors here I have very special connection to and some I do not. This one, I surely do !! Wait until I get around to the Allis's. LOL. There may be an interesting story on one or two there as well. I'm like you...mainly a Massey guy. I've got my Dad's favorite tractor in the other shed. A '41 101 Super. Its got a SUPER story that goes with it. LOL. Its not original, but that's part of the story...
Hi Wendell! Once again you’ve brought a long-sleeping old tractor back to life. 24 years is a long time and yet you didn’t have to do a whole lot of work to get it running. And the work light came on too! Very nice job, my friend!
This WAS surprisingly easy for one having sat idle for so long. The best answer was that its location had to be just the perfect conditions minimizing the drawing of condensation inside the cylinders. On the other hand I have had monstrous problems in some that had sat only a few years. Conditions in their surroundings while sitting makes or breaks an easy resurrection !!
When I was 18 I had a job skidding tie cut loags out of the woods out into the field where a guy with a 52 chevy with a homebrew side loader could get to them. The tractor was a JD 50.
Hahahahaha....then I assume the sound of that motor rung a familiar bell didn't it ?!! We loaded tons of logs onto the log wagon with a tractor....but no loader. We used the tractor in reverse and a cable hooked in the shape of a "V" to roll them up ramps. We backed up because the operator (me) could see the action of the log easier while the old man cut 'em this way or that with a cant hook to keep them going straight up the ramps. Good comment about the logging Randall...don't you kinda wish there was these fancy I-phones and TH-cam to upload to waaaaaay back then...?? Thanks for the comment and have a great weekend !!
@@tractorman4461 The side loader had two arms that dropped down on the ground and using cant hook the logs where rolled up on them. they where made from a drag type breaking plow beams. had two cables that lifted them up and catapulted the log up on the truck had a log bunk to catch them.. the cables where winched by a car rear end, the trucks PTO was hooked where the driveshaft was on the car rearend . he had a master cyl hooked to each brake. he would lock one brake and the other axle spun and wound up the cable. and he had a throttle and was expert at giving it the correct amount of gas to make the log land where he wanted. the other master cyl locked the brake that powered the cable drum and controlled the speed that it returned to the ground. And It was amazingly fast. He had a trip on the far side log bunk to unload the logs. I was really interested in that contraption.
@@thecollectoronthecorner7061 Man...that sounds like one heck of a creation !! Wouldn't it be nice if somehow it could have been filmed back in the day. There are some amazing things that come out of a home shop and this sounds like one of them. A rig like that can only be run that smooth by the guy that built it !! Great story Randall. We too have an old home made winch that operates similar to the one you describe here. Only one master cylinder and hand lever though and it stops the one drum. With the axle housing cut out and a pipe reel welded to it, the opposing axle becomes the cable drum. I just used it about 6 years ago when a neighbor ran a 4000 Ford loader tractor and 12' bush hog into his lagoon. It was sunken in to the top of the transmission housing and the bush hog became a huge suction cup !! But the old winch pulled him out. Nasty smelly job though....
Well...I've never claimed to be a big JD guy and haven't in 60+ years of working with tractors had the opportunity to work with either JD's or tractors with hand clutches to any extent at all. It makes sense to disengage the hand clutch just like you automatically disengage the foot clutch. I've not even driven this 50 yet either. Waiting on a radiator and a re-wiring. Thanks Jeff for the input.
You know it’s a legit first start video when stuff comes flying out of the engine when it first starts great video glad you got another two cylinder running
You should have seen the hay chaff, stems and dust accumulation blow off once we got out on the blacktop when we hauled it home !! Heck, I've been beaned by mud daubers nests coming off fan blades as well as having smoking acorns blow out of the exhaust pipe and red hot pieces of carbon drop on my head in the past !! LOL...its all good though. Thanks for watching and commenting !!
Great story 💚 I'm too late but the first thing you do is READ the Owner's Manual. Its a repair manual showing every maintenance job that you should do yearly. Alot of Condinsation collects in the cast iron cases. You'll find A LOT of water in the trans/diff, engine, powr-trol, and side gear case that the clutch is mounted. Remove the lower coolent hose and you'll find a ton of rust and dirt collected there. Air filter oil bath is always a treat when you drain that cup. Get the Owners Manual!!!! God bless 2 cylinder John Deeres 💛💚✌️
The clutch should always be engaged and spinning when running to save the bearing inside the clutch. It should be cleaned and repacked with wheel bearing grease every year per the owners manual. Change and flush all the oils. A ton of condensation builds up in those cast iron cases, even if it has just been sitting.
Well, its not as sharp or quite as modern as yours, but its a good starting platform for me....and I couldn't beat the price either. Thanks Steve for the taking the time for conversation.
If you have power to the distributer the points should be able to fire. Of course the condensor is the weakest part of the circuit. But oxidation on the points surface creates a lot of issues too. Good luck with the project !! Thank you for the cool comment.
I strongly suspected it would've been stuck from sitting so long. Condensation internal of the cylinders is hard to avoid, but the old barn was loose enough that it didn't create a big difference in temp between the outside air temp and the temp of the cast iron of the tractor. No extreme differential means no sweating and that's what superb ventilation does. At least that's MY suspicion. But hey...I was wrong before !! But no matter, it wasn't stuck and that DOES matter !!
Hahahaha...I'm not sure about the 'cool' factor, but thank you for the fun comment. Good luck with your B. I just recently sold a '39 A and it's now totally restored: th-cam.com/video/UNhIvzsCSes/w-d-xo.html
Wendell, that old 50 sounded pretty good, and as mentioned in a few previous comments here, it amazing didn't take a lot to get it going after sitting for 24 years. There is a 50 and an A just south of that Kubota dealership you visited a few weeks back. They're sitting at the 4 way intersection where 32 heads back east towards St. Gen, at a car dealership. BTW, the JD 50 was made from 1952 to 1956.
That's good to know. I wrote the serial number down but haven't checked into it yet to find out what year it is but I figured mid-50s. I know where that dealership is and didn't notice them there the last time I passed through. We took the scenic tour and went past all the wineries and came in the back way. About the start...so much has to do with where a tractor is left set. I drove a smooth running MH 30 into a lean-to after it was picked up very reasonably. It sat there 10 years so I thought it'd be an easy start because after all, I DROVE it to its parking place....ended up it was seriously locked up from a roof leak that went straight down the exhaust pipe for years !! A TOTAL engine rebuild later, it is one of the better smooth running 30's now...but...its throw out bearing is going bad... Oh well. See you later Terry. Be Safe and stay warm !!
That tractor was 12 volt when new and was positive ground. It is incorrect to say that any 12 volt tractor is negative ground. They generally switched to negative ground when they started using alternators. Most 12 volt tractors from all brands with generators were positive ground.
Yes, I found out quickly that I misspoke in the video but I immediately corrected the statement in the first line of the description. I've never been into the JD line very heavy and I just did not research before I made the improper comment. Thanks for the clarity.
Oil pressure to seidment bowel is a emergey shut off , if you roll the tractor. If you pop the little round cover off the big fly cover. You can start the tractor by hand.
Good to know. I'm not a big JD guy. Heck I even thought this was a negative ground at first. I got factory wiring diagram and found that its a positive ground. But no matter, I'll change it all over because one of the relatives of the PO had installed the battery backwards at one time or another and burnt up the wiring anyway. Smoked 'em !!
Wow...!! I had forgotten all about that....seeing new tractors and machinery at the local county fair !! See Peter...you took ME down memory lane with that one. Take Care my friend !!
nice to hear new type or style from the 1950 Your friend may get the chance to drive it around after all . He sure will be happy it is being put to good use
Oh yeah, I'll invite him out in the spring or I may just drive it to town to his business location. Its only about 10 miles. Yes Richard, I'm sure he will enjoy his 'second' drive better than his first. Thanks for the visit this evening.
I sure like the look of the tractor with the old generator, I know you can make that work. Would the right amount of stop leak be worth a try?? I'm surprised the oil pressure fuel shut off still works. Have fun.
The leak is in the middle of the radiator. I think it froze and swelled the run. It's a pretty large burst and to get in to it to solder it, I'd have to remove at least an inch of fin or more. I may do that and keep it as a spare, but I was lucky to find a good radiator cheap enough. Thanks for the thoughts though. I appreciate the input. Yes, it is surprising that the diaphragm isn't dry rotted away for sure !!
One of my oldest friends gave this tractor to me about 20 years after his dad passed away. He told me his dad would be happier knowing it went to me instead of being sold to someone. So I am going to keep it and pass it on to my son or grandson to add to the history. Thank you for watching and also for your interest in the old popper.
When I was a kid, you know how long ago that was, my Dad had an MT John Deere. It was only produced in 1949-1950 OR 1950 -1051, I can not remember. We had a 6" sickle mower for it and a two-row cultivar for it that we used all the time. My Dad used it until he quit farmed that was until about 1972 or 1973. Good little tractor.
I've seen MT's at shows, but the closest I've been to running one was a JD 330. They look to be a great all around utility tractor. I'm thinking the reason you like the old two cylinder JD's is because they have a lot in common with that Harley you're so fond of. LOL Thanks Dave for the visit this morning sir.
I have the JD Model 50. The carb bowl is giving me grief. I found that the bowl was missing its gasket (part # R-10171-R); that is, the gasket that seals the bowl to the carb. I have cut a new gasket from a gasket sheet. But it seems impossible to keep the gasket centered properly when remounting the bowl to the carb. The bowl has a rather thin lip and the mating surface on the carb is about 1/8". I suppose I could take off the carb and get the gasket properly set- but it is such a pain to remove this carb. Any ideas? Also, when remounting the bowl, the locking nut has a slight shoulder- which side of the nut is supposed to be up when installing the bowl? What might be the purpose of such a shoulder on the nut?
Is there a chance the original gasket was made of cork ? It's a much thicker material and most all my old tractors have that as a gasket material on the sediment bowls. I just do not remember specifically what was on the JD. Usually the flared out side of the nut, (the shoulder) goes towards the indention in the bottom of the sediment bowl. It's supposed to spread the pressure of the nut to a larger area of the glass bowl. Make sense ? On securing the gasket during assembly a small amount of grease should do the trick of just holding it flat and in place for the few seconds it takes. If that fails for you just apply a thin ring of Form-a-Gasket. It'll be tacky and do the same thing, but know that it will probably cause the gasket to be destroyed the next time it has to come apart. And with today's blended and oxygenated fuels with a little ethynol added, it WILL have to come apart again....especially if it has to sit a few months between use. Of course that is my opinion based on my own experiences. Good luck and thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on the video. Btw, I admitted to a few others that picked up on it, but the JD 50 came out 12v POSITIVE ground and not negative ground as I indicated in the video.
That sounded damn good. Love seeing the old girls running again. The starts that you had from sitting are unreal. You don't have to be good when you're lucky. Lol. Another awesome video. Many thanks.
Hahahahahaha....like I say, even a blind squirrel can find a nut ever now and then.... LOL. Same concept huh. Thanks Bill for the chuckle this evening. Have a great weekend !!
Well, it was a gift to me from one of my best friends. He told me his Dad would probably rather see me have it instead of selling it away from the family. So the old 50 is going to get a little work and become a daily driver for me in the near future. Then eventually it will go to either my son or one of the grandsons.
Hello Wendell, I have the same tractor at home i can't get to run. Does it need a resistor between the coil and the points? Somebody has changed it to 12vdc already.
I'd check and see what voltage you have on the distributor, then work backwards until you find where the voltage has stopped. It'll be a bad wire or faulty connection I bet. Also check the polarity. I mistakenly said in the video that this tractor was negative ground from the factory but it was actually positive ground from the factory. Oh, and if its this same model, they came out with two six volt batteries in series to give a 12 volt electrical system. I think the actual wiring diagram is available on the internet. That's how I found out I was wrong about the negative ground. So to answer your question, it probably never had a resistor if it is still original. It did come with a 12v generator and not an alternator though. Another thing...you can start at the battery and work forward in the circuit until you find where it stops just as easy as working backwards from the distributor. And if you don't have a meter, you can use a 12v auto taillight/plug with two wires on it. Ground one on the frame and just touch the other end to the wires to follow the 12v to where it stops. Hope this helped you Tom !! Harbor Freight has a 2 or 3 dollar Chinese made digital voltmeter that works quite well too.
Good evening Sir very nice to see you in summer time ! Great technical explanation ! Great little point file ! Great success Sir on the field mechanic repair ! Yes basic ( fuel, compression, ect,,, ) Can't wait to see the next video Sir ! Have a great week and keep warm Cheers !!!
Good evening Dave....good to hear from you. Man I just looked at Joe's 'new' tractor !! Another beast isn't it !! Thank you for the complimentary comment mon ami.
@@tractorman4461 You very welcome !!! Yes that ( New Tractor ) is for Chef Céline !!! LOL Joe want to put a snow plow into it !!! LOL keep warm Sir Cheers !!!
Oh my, how lucky you are to have these old tractors to tinker with! Of course there is no farming ( to speak of ) around here where I live, so tractors generally, are 'rare birds' in my neck-o-the-woods! Thanks very much for this one.
Wow...!! Thats kinda sad....how do old guys spend their time if there are no tractors to occupy their time !! LOL. That's something I NEVER heard of....no tractors...Heck, I think I'm in shock !! Dang Reg....
@@tractorman4461 Yeah, it's a bit of a 'let down',... but us 'old guys' spend their time watching young fellows working with their tractors I guess! hahahaha! I do have a 'new' tractor though, well, I bought my Kioti CK20S in 2007,..so it's on it's way to be 'old' I suppose LOL. Then I spend some of my time making implements for it, Like a P.T.O. driven log splitter, and a set of forks, things like this. I get some of my ideas from an 'old buddy' I met here on TH-cam, then when it comes time to paint it I watch the 'expert there in Quebec,...... he's a 'specialist with black and yellow paint! ( I'm laughing away to myself here now! ,.. sorry Dave! )
@@regsparkes6507 I remember talking about your Kioti back when you were wondering if it'd handle a buzz saw.... Remember I confirmed that my 16 hp Kubota runs away with it...?? 2007...?? Heck, my B7100 was bought new in '82. ONLY new tractor I ever bought. I'm chuckling right along with you....ol Dave must've been a bumble bee in a prior existence... One thing for sure though is he can really apply the paint and is just as handsome as the devil doing it too !! LOL !! (I wonder if his ears are burning about now....) I'm still drawing a blank on who it is you could possibly be getting an attachment idea from..... Stay Warm don't work too hard Reg.
Cool !! Thanks for watching. I recently picked up a new used radiator for it so hopefully it will make it into the shop this winter for the repair and alternator conversion.
Good video sir. You mentioned you were less familiar with the old JD two cylinders. In case you didn’t know, it is good practice to engage the clutch (pop handle forward) with transmission in neutral when you are sitting around idling the engine. Looking forward to more. Keep up the great work. I have a JD A and JD B, among others in my collection.
You know, just the other day, while running my brothers '37 Massey Harris Challanger he told me that that was a good idea and I've just got to commit that to memory. Thanks for reminding me. The only hand clutch I have is the old '39 A so I'm going to set both of them like that this morning. I just started the A for the first time in 8 years a few months ago so that tells you how much I use them. This 50 though is going to become one of the daily drivers as soon as I get all the bugs out and figure out the radiator issue. Thanks again Hans....I do think I need to find a operators manual for this 50 and a drawbar too. May just make one of those but I'll have to find a pic on the internet first. Thanks again!
Well it was a good day for sure....but I sure was WRONG about it being negative ground from the factory. It is 12v POSITIVE ground from the factory. I corrected the mis-spoke statement in the description box so hopefully I don't mis lead too many people.
Boy, they sure do, don't they. I need to point out I mistakenly said this was a negative ground tractor...its not...its originally positive ground. Thanks Ed for the comment !!
Mine is at least 25 years old and has been drug through hundreds of sets of points. Here's Amazon's offer: www.amazon.com/Cal-Van-Tools-693-Ignition-Point/dp/B0067YFPBC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=35XQRXBXDBS5R&keywords=ignition+points+file&qid=1686708797&sprefix=ignition+points+file%2Caps%2C153&sr=8-1
My father's 41 B is positive ground. I had no clue. Battery would constantly discharge. Mechanic at the local dealership told me.Owners manual said nothing about it.
Yeah Bob, I was wrong while recording the video. I said it appeared to be negative ground. But a John Deere enthusiast corrected me. I downloaded the wiring diagram and followed out the wiring and proved that it is in fact positive ground. But none of that is going to matter, because I am going to put either a one wire Delco or a three wire Delco 12 V negative ground charging system on it.
@@tractorman4461 I had an owners manual for my father's model 60, not sure of the year though.........mid 50s. Dad had written in the manual, 'positive ground' so apparently all the two cylinders were! My model B battery would go dead after awhile, never figured out why, till they told me to swap battery cables :) PS love your videos!!!
@@bobpeckinpaugh2550 awesome !! I’m glad you enjoy them. The theory behind positive ground was that it gave a bigger and hotter spark on the older six volt systems. Most manufacturers changed to negative ground when production went to 12v but I guess John Deere was holding out on the change. Automotive systems went to 12v negative ground pretty much across the board in ‘56.
Thanks Jan...the tractor sure has a personal connection and it is going to stay here for a mighty long time. I just have to get deeper into the radiator leak to see if its repairable or not. One thing I may not have mentioned, my buddy also gave me a John Deere pedal tractor to go along with the 50 that his dad bought for him when he was just four years old. I have it hanging high inside the shed !!
@@tractorman4461 That is very nice, please slip the camera over it one day, would like to see it. I have my Son's that I bought for him on his first birthday, he is now 29, I saved it all the time.
The beer can could be there to act as a brake for the throttle to keep it from moving. Beware of the diaphragm in the sediment bowl. When, (not, if) they go bad, gas ends up in the oil. Wixs makes a fuel filter that will fit in the sediment bowl, number 33039. That way you don't have to have an in line filter. But the best investment I've ever made in my distributor type tractors is an electronic ignition.
I love the Petronix electronics for the old tractors. The last one I did was a '72 2000 Ford three cylinder. Best improvement ever....especially starting in sub freezing weather. I use the matched Flamethrower coils too and suppression wires. Best thing ever !! Thanks for the tip on the fuel filter inside the sediment bowl. Good idea, thanks for the tip. Good point on the beer can too...I'll keep that in mind. Right now I'm in the need for a radiator for the old JD.
@@tractorman4461 if you didn't know already, they are rebuild able. Just replace the core. Watch what you get for a replacement, some only have to two or three rows of tubes. The guy that made the core for my 60 put five rows in. Takes a lot of time and patience to get them part and have the drill and tap set ready.
@@danw6014 Yes, I have had them recored in the past. But within the last 10 years or so the third of three local radiator shops closed their doors. Mostly due to the change in automotive radiators going to composites and aluminum materials. Kinda leaves us tractor-guys holding the bag.
I was glad to see her kick off. They spin at such a slow revolution with the starter...but it just needed a little gas under the plugs to get her to fire off. Thanks for watching Gator !!
Willie's back! LOL! Man, that was almost as good as watching a mystery whodunnit - anticipation, intrigue, suspense and the cliff hanger at the end! - but I knew you would get her fired up, T! I think we should call you the tractor whisperer. :)) Very cool to see you spark some life into these old gals! Cheers!
Hahahahahaha...everybody enjoys a mystery huh. I got the rag tag 'look' of Willie down pat so now if I could just figure out how to imitate his wealth I'd be set !! LOL. Always good for a chuckle GP, thank you my friend for stopping by and visiting this morning. But now I'm....On The Road Again..... LOL
Tractor man 44 I'm suffering from lach lack of YOUR SHEET METAL VIDEOS. PLEASE FILL THE PRESCRIPTION WITH SOME COMPLICATED TRANSITION OR EVEN A SIMPLE OFF SET.
OMG...!! That's hilarious.... Well I guess the proper response would've been that I'm sorry for your suffering and anguish. LOL Well...how about just a simple refresher on simple square duct then a small air handler installation for some quick relief....Think that may help you in your recovery...?? Thanks Tom and man o man you get the gold star for making me laugh out loud !! Dang...we made the jump from a John Deere to duct...just....like....that....!! Now, how was THAT for a simple 'transition'..... LOL
@@tomwalker9184 Thank you Tom for the awesome compliment. I really DO have two videos in holding pattern waiting to be edited. I'll get to them just for you sir !! Have a wonderful week my friend....
I probably got up a bit before you did this morning and of course, I tipped me first cuppaJO your way! So if you felt a burst of JO Faerie energy, you now know why. And imagine my delight when I saw this John Deer 44 Adventure come up on the notices! So I ate,,,,,,,for some reason, a few paragraphs didn't show up?.. Good I checked! But y t has been weird of late anyway. I think they've been taken over by recovering nasty elves,,,,,,recovering from what? I do know but I wish they would recover! I was saying that you should have a tv show called, Dr.TM44 eat your heart out Dr.Kildare! This title would pull em in fer fer! Anyway, I need to sharpen my chain cuz my saw is cutting like a rasp. This means I must find all me sharpening stuff at my workbench. I think it's possible so I'll make an attempt! But first I must plan my day or at least the rest of the morning, which will take some ideas, drawings, mind control and another cuppaJO,which will be tilted your way. Sayin juice in your battery, I'd better charge mine! WAIT! This would require more planning so I'd better stick to one thing at a time instead of thinking and planning too much that it squelches my ideas that would ruin everything. So it's off to me pot but not on pot and I do refer to JO and not the old outhouse out back, which I have not! Anyway, my best to all at 44Ranch and give me best to the Missus! I am waiting for the new tractor calendar that you will find one day I your box of mail by the side of the road. So this is DaveyJO and I outta here and off rocketing off into another exciting adventure as soon as I think about which adventure I want to do this day. But after writing so much I may need some more nourishment besides oat meal. But now I have to plan for this and I must got!
I don't know why...but sometimes you remind me of playing pinball when I was a kid... LOL. That's not a bad thing.....its just that you are the 'man' when it comes to packing a lot int a little package....but you cover the territory to get it all packed in !! Talking chainsaws.....I hit a chunk of CONCRETE in the middle of a chunk of oak yesterday. I only shined up the concrete a little bit, but it sure played a tune on about ten teeth all in a row !! Thanks in advance for the 2021 calendar DaveyJO!! Hey man, gotta go and add some more answers and I'm editing another on at the same time.....I'll tip one and toast you and Alice in the morning ol' buddy !!
@@tractorman4461 just picking them off one at a time they are all great . i often wonder if you were a neighbor what in the world would we be making next john
@@fricknjeep Well John....I think there's just some guys that just ain't supposed to get into things together if for no other reason, for the sake of those around them! LOL. God only knows what would happen.... (-: Take Care and make a little smoke today...keep warm.
Thank you Don...glad to hear you enjoyed it. One thing another viewer brought to my attention...he told me this one is positive ground. Not being a JD guy I don't know for sure. But it seems to me all the wires attached to the one battery cable should be the positive because no one runs grounds back to the battery....that I know of. They would just ground the other end of their circuits to the frame whether it was positive or negative ground. But like I replied to that viewers reply it really doesn't matter to me because I will change it to negative ground alternator set up anyway. Thank you for such a kind comment and feel free to comment on any of the videos....I'll respond eventually.
One other thing to look for if it's positive ground or negative ground is on top post batteries the positive post is always larger diameter than negative post. Just saying
Well I am not a John Deere guy at all and as a result I found I made a wrong assumption that it was negative ground. It is definitely positive ground. I strongly suspect the relatives of the gentleman that owned this mistakenly hooked up a battery reversed and that's what melted the wiring off the generator. It's going to be changed to an alternator and changed to negative ground permanently. I'm not even going to check out the generator...its probably toast anyway. Thanks Brenda for the input.
Awesome !! All there is to do then, is go ahead and bring old Putt-Putt back to life !! One thing though I have to point out...it was originally positive ground, not negative ground as I indicated in the video. Good luck and post back, if you would, the successful results of your work.
If everything is juuuuusssssst right I think starting with old ones with the flywheel isn't too bad. But lazy guys like me prefer a starter....LOL. My old '39 A is like that, but its a little rough. Thanks for watching !!
I can't wait to get this old gal into the shop. She sure runs good, but needs a bit of work so I can use her as a daily driver. The big issue will be repairing the radiator leak, if possible. If not, that expense will be painful !! Heck, if you liked this one, when you have the time, check out this playlist John: th-cam.com/video/8tyUG0eqcW0/w-d-xo.html Thanks for watching and have a nice day !!
Thank you Roger for the kind compliment. I gotta admit though I DO ramble on a bit on some videos. I have to point out to you that I was totally wrong about the polarity. This one was originally positive ground. The occasional cuss word slips out but that is not what I want to promote, so when it does, they are edited out. Its not too often though.
This story runs perfectly parellel with mine. Friends dad had a 50 then died of cancer 10 years or so ago. Tractor beens sitting since then in a shed. I bought her and was surprised to find the engine still loose and juice still in the battery. Havent started her yet but will soon.
Dang Levi, I think there are a lot similar situations out there. You're lucky with a little juice still in the battery !! I didn't get so lucky, but this one sat from '96, nice and dry inside a shed. I've still got to get into the leak in the radiator before this one goes back to work. But soon.... Thanks for the story and thanbks for watching !!
I went through an old 1972 2000 that sat in a lean-to for almost 20 years. Electronic ignition, Delco conversion, made my own dash pod with conventonal gauges, Holly rebuild....now I need at least one new rear rim. I don't even have ALL the videos edited yet. Hopefully you've seen the ones uploaded so far. Thanks for the complimentary comment David.
This one will become a nice daily driver to compete with the little Massey's I now use most of the time. I'm glad to have brought a memory or two back of working with your old 50.
Thank you for the comment....but I gotta come clean and tell you I was 100% wrong about it being negative ground. It was originally positive ground, 12Volt. If you enjoy these kinds of videos, I do have a playlist up top labeled 'first starts': th-cam.com/play/PLk72G9DTzZ1uWqQ2hDCRVubPve9JlLzhw.html There's a lot of them to choose from.
Cool to get the old thing up and running again. Hopefully it was inside and out of the elements. I need a radiator for this 50 plus I need to correct all the wiring. Good luck with your project !! Thanks for the comment.
@@tractorman4461 Yes it has been stored indoors or under a shed most of its life.Needs tires and little TLC but overall nice old tractor th-cam.com/video/5FD-nT0Dr-I/w-d-xo.html This is a video of one of the last times I used it before it was put in storage Plan on doing some work on it start using it little more often to keep it up and running good
Love John Deere 50s' The first tractor I ever drove. Michelob Ultralight didn't exist in the 90s. Michelob Ultra was first introduced in 2002....as a bottle Cans didn't come out until early 2003 and ultralight came after that.
That's funny...you can tell I'm not a beer drinker. After working on the old gal a bit AND finding out what you said about the particular beer, my bet is that it might even have been a leftover from some of the family trying to get it running at one time because I found the wires off the generator all melted together. I know the tractor wouldn't have been left like that by my buddy's dad. I don't even think he even drank beer anyway. Thanks Jack for watching and commenting....that's whats cool about TH-cam...its amazing what a fellow learns from viewers !!
I am here because you have a great youtube channel. I should be the one thanking you for the things I've learned here. Thank you! Please keep up the great work.
@@jackkottwitz5236 Now I didn't expect such an awesome reply Jack. Thank you sir for such supportive words. Things like this small conversation is one of the reasons why I go to the trouble to make videos about the things that consume my time.
I got my 520 in 1972 and still have it they were all built as positive ground My experience is changing them to negative ground didnt work as well they usually like to start lean, as soon as it hits give it some choke my two like full choke at that point then half till they warm a bit On my tractors if they rollover 4 times 8 revs and dont hit they are not going to start, check the points and plugs fuel is usually not a issue unless you are using the wrong lead substitute (see below) they were built with 6 volt coils with a 12volt by pass from the starter so on start they have 12 volts at the coil ( there is a resistor under the dash to drop the voltage) A sliver of emery cloth works as good a points file, some times better you can short the points with the screw driver to makes sure you have spark and by pass the points when testing be careful with lead substitute the grey stuff can plug/gum up the whole fuel system
A bunch of good tips there. I have since found a manual on the 50 and the first thing I did was check the wiring diagram. It was originally wired like you described above. When I go back to fix the radiator I’m going to correct my thoughts about the wiring sometime in that new video. Thanks for watching and for the great tips on these old gals.
@@tractorman4461 Like I said I have had a 520 for 50 years and a 620 for 40 (used to have 2 620s) so if you get stuck let me know, both mine still run and can go to work, we just don't drive them much as the parts are getting harder to find and the newer diesels are easier on fuel. one of the things you will want to do before using a lot is replace the 90w in the gear case and first reduction gear. it gets water in it and lots of use can cause it to foam and get in to the breaks or clutch. in the breaks it can make them grabby and break either the break spindle housing or teeth of the brake shaft that runs against the bull gear, those broken teeth can if they fall right knock a hole in the gear case if they get between the bull gear and the case. another thing I would do is find the lowest point in the fly wheel cover sheet metal and drill a small drain hole in it. those old tractors can leak water into that space and if it starts to fill with water it can mess up the starter
@@derfvader6951 Great !! Thanks for the additional tips. I've never been big into JD's though I never turn them down. I still have the old '39 A, this 50 and an old LA, but i traded a '50's A for a Massey 101 Junior and another '50's A for a '58 Dodge 4wd Power Wagon a long time ago, but that was back when old tractors could be bought for almost nothing. I think I traded labor for the twin A's back in the late 70's maybe early 80's. (Wish I still had them)LOL. The Power Wagon has gone down the road too.... I will take heed of your good advice above and I thank you sir for your time.
When the tractor is just sitting there in neutral running always engage the clutch. Its hard on the bushing in the belt pulley on the crank not too and wears your bushing out a lot faster.
Not being a big JD guy...yet....that is good information. The other day when I was running his '37 Massey Harris Challenger back in the woods he informed me of that. I will adapt my routine. Thanks Kenny I appreciate the input.
@@kennycriswell141 Thank you Kenny, that's good to know. I grew up on Massey Harris tractors and all four of those were foot clutch models from 1939 to the early 50's. This 50 and the old '39 A are the only two hand clutch models I have. Well, I have a MH33 and an Allis CA that have hand and foot clutches, but the hand clutches on those only disengage the right final drive so the pto can stay in operation. They really aren't a true 'hand' clutch. This old 50 is going to be put to work as soon as I get the radiator problem straightened out. I found out AFTER I got it running that the tractor is 12 Positive ground instead of my thinking in the video that it was Negative ground. But that tid bit of information explains the melted wiring off the generator if one of the old guys family hooked up a battery backwards. Thanks again for the comment and if I run into an issue I can't figure out I'll holler for help !!
Like I said, I'm not a big Deere guy, but that might explain the wires on the 12v generator being smoked before I started on it...that's why I disconnected those wires before I put in the battery. I'll have to ask my buddy if someone tried to get it fired up back in '96 when it was relocated 30 miles away because then that would explain the melted wires on the generator. But no matter, because that's all going to go away anyway when either a Denso or a Delco one wire alternator is going to go back on and I'll maintain the now negative ground. Thanks Michael for the heads up.
@@tractorman4461 If you go to Neg ground dont overlook having the coil properly polarized. The main reason is a properly polarized coil produces a Negative voltage pulse going to the plug center electrode. So the spark jumps from the center electrode to the outer electrode. The hotter center electrode emits electrons much more freely than the colder outer electrode so that you get a better spark.
@@michaelcates9042 That's great information. I knew the steps required for the change, but didn't really know why. I know a lot of purists argue against any changes beyond original, but I like to keep all the ones around here the same, because there's more than one guy using them. Replacing the battery with them all wired for negative ground minimizes the potential for damage due to improperly connecting a battery. Thanks Michael for the more technical input.
Thank Byron. I really though I'd get this one in the shop over the winter, but I just didn't make it. At least it'll be an easy one to get back for use as a daily driver once I solve the radiator leak.
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Have to say I was pulling for you up here to get it started. It was just a matter of time :) Always enjoy the videos.
Great !! Glad to hear that. Sometimes it takes a while to get around to this one or that one, but eventually.....maybe I'll get to ALL of them. Actually I've decided to move a few down the highway. Thanks for taking a looksee !!
Good job Wendell getting the old Deere back to life. Two green tractors in a row do I see a trend developing? Take care brother
Oh I'm gonna break the streak with the next one...its a pretty B L U E !! LOL. Then maybe back to red or something orange or yellow....just don't know yet !! I'm glad to see your firewood bundles selling like hot cakes buddy !!
SHE LIVES! Nicely done! Mice can do more damage than people could ever imagine to a sitting vehicle or piece of equipment. Luckily old iron has very few wires on it. haha I'm mostly a Massey guy to but all old iron has some sort of story and sentimental value to it so I don't care what name is on it...love seeing them brought back to life!
I agree with each of your statements above. Some of the tractors here I have very special connection to and some I do not. This one, I surely do !! Wait until I get around to the Allis's. LOL. There may be an interesting story on one or two there as well. I'm like you...mainly a Massey guy. I've got my Dad's favorite tractor in the other shed. A '41 101 Super. Its got a SUPER story that goes with it. LOL. Its not original, but that's part of the story...
Hi Wendell! Once again you’ve brought a long-sleeping old tractor back to life. 24 years is a long time and yet you didn’t have to do a whole lot of work to get it running. And the work light came on too! Very nice job, my friend!
This WAS surprisingly easy for one having sat idle for so long. The best answer was that its location had to be just the perfect conditions minimizing the drawing of condensation inside the cylinders. On the other hand I have had monstrous problems in some that had sat only a few years. Conditions in their surroundings while sitting makes or breaks an easy resurrection !!
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👏 awesome you got that old girl up and running again 😁
Thank you for the comment. It was about time, its been sitting here at least a year maybe two.
When I was 18 I had a job skidding tie cut loags out of the woods out into the field where a guy with a 52 chevy with a homebrew side loader could get to them. The tractor was a JD 50.
Hahahahaha....then I assume the sound of that motor rung a familiar bell didn't it ?!! We loaded tons of logs onto the log wagon with a tractor....but no loader. We used the tractor in reverse and a cable hooked in the shape of a "V" to roll them up ramps. We backed up because the operator (me) could see the action of the log easier while the old man cut 'em this way or that with a cant hook to keep them going straight up the ramps. Good comment about the logging Randall...don't you kinda wish there was these fancy I-phones and TH-cam to upload to waaaaaay back then...?? Thanks for the comment and have a great weekend !!
@@tractorman4461 The side loader had two arms that dropped down on the ground and using cant hook the logs where rolled up on them. they where made from a drag type breaking plow beams. had two cables that lifted them up and catapulted the log up on the truck had a log bunk to catch them.. the cables where winched by a car rear end, the trucks PTO was hooked where the driveshaft was on the car rearend . he had a master cyl hooked to each brake. he would lock one brake and the other axle spun and wound up the cable. and he had a throttle and was expert at giving it the correct amount of gas to make the log land where he wanted. the other master cyl locked the brake that powered the cable drum and controlled the speed that it returned to the ground. And It was amazingly fast. He had a trip on the far side log bunk to unload the logs. I was really interested in that contraption.
@@thecollectoronthecorner7061 Man...that sounds like one heck of a creation !! Wouldn't it be nice if somehow it could have been filmed back in the day. There are some amazing things that come out of a home shop and this sounds like one of them. A rig like that can only be run that smooth by the guy that built it !! Great story Randall.
We too have an old home made winch that operates similar to the one you describe here. Only one master cylinder and hand lever though and it stops the one drum. With the axle housing cut out and a pipe reel welded to it, the opposing axle becomes the cable drum. I just used it about 6 years ago when a neighbor ran a 4000 Ford loader tractor and 12' bush hog into his lagoon. It was sunken in to the top of the transmission housing and the bush hog became a huge suction cup !! But the old winch pulled him out. Nasty smelly job though....
YOU need to push clutch handle forward that sets clutch free less frection on clutch to start engine
Well...I've never claimed to be a big JD guy and haven't in 60+ years of working with tractors had the opportunity to work with either JD's or tractors with hand clutches to any extent at all. It makes sense to disengage the hand clutch just like you automatically disengage the foot clutch. I've not even driven this 50 yet either. Waiting on a radiator and a re-wiring. Thanks Jeff for the input.
You know it’s a legit first start video when stuff comes flying out of the engine when it first starts great video glad you got another two cylinder running
You should have seen the hay chaff, stems and dust accumulation blow off once we got out on the blacktop when we hauled it home !! Heck, I've been beaned by mud daubers nests coming off fan blades as well as having smoking acorns blow out of the exhaust pipe and red hot pieces of carbon drop on my head in the past !! LOL...its all good though. Thanks for watching and commenting !!
Great story 💚
I'm too late but the first thing you do is READ the Owner's Manual. Its a repair manual showing every maintenance job that you should do yearly. Alot of Condinsation collects in the cast iron cases. You'll find A LOT of water in the trans/diff, engine, powr-trol, and side gear case that the clutch is mounted. Remove the lower coolent hose and you'll find a ton of rust and dirt collected there.
Air filter oil bath is always a treat when you drain that cup. Get the Owners Manual!!!!
God bless 2 cylinder John Deeres 💛💚✌️
The clutch should always be engaged and spinning when running to save the bearing inside the clutch.
It should be cleaned and repacked with wheel bearing grease every year per the owners manual.
Change and flush all the oils. A ton of condensation builds up in those cast iron cases, even if it has just been sitting.
Nice history! They are a great tractor, thanks for sharing!
Well, its not as sharp or quite as modern as yours, but its a good starting platform for me....and I couldn't beat the price either. Thanks Steve for the taking the time for conversation.
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Thanks for the thumbs up !! Awesome....Thanks for taking the time to watch too !!
Really good information good ol boy w good ol information got my uncles 60 cranking but no fire yet work in progress ol son
If you have power to the distributer the points should be able to fire. Of course the condensor is the weakest part of the circuit. But oxidation on the points surface creates a lot of issues too. Good luck with the project !! Thank you for the cool comment.
I had zero doubt about it running, or you working on it, it just like every other old tractor... needs a little lovin’!
Yep....yet another old tractors can be compared to women !! Thanks Pat for the confidence... Take Care and stay warm !!
Very cool video. 👍👍👍
Thank you for watching and by the three thumbs up I should be safe in assuming you enjoyed it !! Take care and I'll see you later...
Enjoyed watching the process of getting the old girl fired up!
I strongly suspected it would've been stuck from sitting so long. Condensation internal of the cylinders is hard to avoid, but the old barn was loose enough that it didn't create a big difference in temp between the outside air temp and the temp of the cast iron of the tractor. No extreme differential means no sweating and that's what superb ventilation does. At least that's MY suspicion. But hey...I was wrong before !! But no matter, it wasn't stuck and that DOES matter !!
I’m 27 and I hope to be half as cool as you when I’m your age. I’ve got a ‘39 hand throw B enjoyed watching you get the ol girl fired up!
Hahahaha...I'm not sure about the 'cool' factor, but thank you for the fun comment. Good luck with your B. I just recently sold a '39 A and it's now totally restored: th-cam.com/video/UNhIvzsCSes/w-d-xo.html
Wendell, that old 50 sounded pretty good, and as mentioned in a few previous comments here, it amazing didn't take a lot to get it going after sitting for 24 years. There is a 50 and an A just south of that Kubota dealership you visited a few weeks back. They're sitting at the 4 way intersection where 32 heads back east towards St. Gen, at a car dealership. BTW, the JD 50 was made from 1952 to 1956.
That's good to know. I wrote the serial number down but haven't checked into it yet to find out what year it is but I figured mid-50s. I know where that dealership is and didn't notice them there the last time I passed through. We took the scenic tour and went past all the wineries and came in the back way.
About the start...so much has to do with where a tractor is left set. I drove a smooth running MH 30 into a lean-to after it was picked up very reasonably. It sat there 10 years so I thought it'd be an easy start because after all, I DROVE it to its parking place....ended up it was seriously locked up from a roof leak that went straight down the exhaust pipe for years !! A TOTAL engine rebuild later, it is one of the better smooth running 30's now...but...its throw out bearing is going bad... Oh well. See you later Terry. Be Safe and stay warm !!
That tractor was 12 volt when new and was positive ground. It is incorrect to say that any 12 volt tractor is negative ground. They generally switched to negative ground when they started using alternators. Most 12 volt tractors from all brands with generators were positive ground.
Yes, I found out quickly that I misspoke in the video but I immediately corrected the statement in the first line of the description. I've never been into the JD line very heavy and I just did not research before I made the improper comment. Thanks for the clarity.
Oil pressure to seidment bowel is a emergey shut off , if you roll the tractor. If you pop the little round cover off the big fly cover. You can start the tractor by hand.
Good to know. I'm not a big JD guy. Heck I even thought this was a negative ground at first. I got factory wiring diagram and found that its a positive ground. But no matter, I'll change it all over because one of the relatives of the PO had installed the battery backwards at one time or another and burnt up the wiring anyway. Smoked 'em !!
Cool to see your trouble shooting process. That old tractor sounds dang good.
Yes, much smoother than the '39 A. From a distance it even sounds a bit better!! Not nearly as noisy for sure. Glad to see you enjoyed it Wild Bill.
44 good job we remember when they were new look at them a county fair
God Bless All
PaK
Wow...!! I had forgotten all about that....seeing new tractors and machinery at the local county fair !! See Peter...you took ME down memory lane with that one. Take Care my friend !!
Those two lungers are COOL. Sounds good.
Yes they are, but they just sound like they are missing something....like two more cylinders !! LOL. Take Care.
nice to hear new type or style from the 1950 Your friend may get the chance to drive it around after all . He sure will be happy it is being put to good use
Oh yeah, I'll invite him out in the spring or I may just drive it to town to his business location. Its only about 10 miles. Yes Richard, I'm sure he will enjoy his 'second' drive better than his first. Thanks for the visit this evening.
I sure like the look of the tractor with the old generator, I know you can make that work. Would the right amount of stop leak be worth a try?? I'm surprised the oil pressure fuel shut off still works. Have fun.
The leak is in the middle of the radiator. I think it froze and swelled the run. It's a pretty large burst and to get in to it to solder it, I'd have to remove at least an inch of fin or more. I may do that and keep it as a spare, but I was lucky to find a good radiator cheap enough. Thanks for the thoughts though. I appreciate the input. Yes, it is surprising that the diaphragm isn't dry rotted away for sure !!
Is this Model 50 for sale? I've been looking for an old John Deere tractor but with an existing history to purchase. Please let me know. Thank you.
One of my oldest friends gave this tractor to me about 20 years after his dad passed away. He told me his dad would be happier knowing it went to me instead of being sold to someone. So I am going to keep it and pass it on to my son or grandson to add to the history. Thank you for watching and also for your interest in the old popper.
When I was a kid, you know how long ago that was, my Dad had an MT John Deere. It was only produced in 1949-1950 OR 1950 -1051, I can not remember. We had a 6" sickle mower for it and a two-row cultivar for it that we used all the time. My Dad used it until he quit farmed that was until about 1972 or 1973. Good little tractor.
I've seen MT's at shows, but the closest I've been to running one was a JD 330. They look to be a great all around utility tractor. I'm thinking the reason you like the old two cylinder JD's is because they have a lot in common with that Harley you're so fond of. LOL Thanks Dave for the visit this morning sir.
I have the JD Model 50. The carb bowl is giving me grief. I found that the bowl was missing its gasket (part # R-10171-R); that is, the gasket that seals the bowl to the carb. I have cut a new gasket from a gasket sheet. But it seems impossible to keep the gasket centered properly when remounting the bowl to the carb. The bowl has a rather thin lip and the mating surface on the carb is about 1/8". I suppose I could take off the carb and get the gasket properly set- but it is such a pain to remove this carb. Any ideas? Also, when remounting the bowl, the locking nut has a slight shoulder- which side of the nut is supposed to be up when installing the bowl? What might be the purpose of such a shoulder on the nut?
Is there a chance the original gasket was made of cork ? It's a much thicker material and most all my old tractors have that as a gasket material on the sediment bowls. I just do not remember specifically what was on the JD. Usually the flared out side of the nut, (the shoulder) goes towards the indention in the bottom of the sediment bowl. It's supposed to spread the pressure of the nut to a larger area of the glass bowl. Make sense ? On securing the gasket during assembly a small amount of grease should do the trick of just holding it flat and in place for the few seconds it takes. If that fails for you just apply a thin ring of Form-a-Gasket. It'll be tacky and do the same thing, but know that it will probably cause the gasket to be destroyed the next time it has to come apart. And with today's blended and oxygenated fuels with a little ethynol added, it WILL have to come apart again....especially if it has to sit a few months between use. Of course that is my opinion based on my own experiences. Good luck and thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on the video. Btw, I admitted to a few others that picked up on it, but the JD 50 came out 12v POSITIVE ground and not negative ground as I indicated in the video.
That sounded damn good. Love seeing the old girls running again. The starts that you had from sitting are unreal. You don't have to be good when you're lucky. Lol.
Another awesome video. Many thanks.
Hahahahahaha....like I say, even a blind squirrel can find a nut ever now and then.... LOL. Same concept huh. Thanks Bill for the chuckle this evening. Have a great weekend !!
For some reason, this old John Deere 50 cross my mind yesterday. What are the plans for this tractor? Or do you still have it? Just curious.
Well, it was a gift to me from one of my best friends. He told me his Dad would probably rather see me have it instead of selling it away from the family. So the old 50 is going to get a little work and become a daily driver for me in the near future. Then eventually it will go to either my son or one of the grandsons.
Hello Wendell, I have the same tractor at home i can't get to run. Does it need a resistor between the coil and the points? Somebody has changed it to 12vdc already.
I'd check and see what voltage you have on the distributor, then work backwards until you find where the voltage has stopped. It'll be a bad wire or faulty connection I bet. Also check the polarity. I mistakenly said in the video that this tractor was negative ground from the factory but it was actually positive ground from the factory. Oh, and if its this same model, they came out with two six volt batteries in series to give a 12 volt electrical system. I think the actual wiring diagram is available on the internet. That's how I found out I was wrong about the negative ground. So to answer your question, it probably never had a resistor if it is still original. It did come with a 12v generator and not an alternator though.
Another thing...you can start at the battery and work forward in the circuit until you find where it stops just as easy as working backwards from the distributor. And if you don't have a meter, you can use a 12v auto taillight/plug with two wires on it. Ground one on the frame and just touch the other end to the wires to follow the 12v to where it stops.
Hope this helped you Tom !! Harbor Freight has a 2 or 3 dollar Chinese made digital voltmeter that works quite well too.
Good evening Sir very nice to see you in summer time ! Great technical explanation ! Great little point file ! Great success Sir on the field mechanic repair ! Yes basic ( fuel, compression, ect,,, ) Can't wait to see the next video Sir ! Have a great week and keep warm Cheers !!!
Good evening Dave....good to hear from you. Man I just looked at Joe's 'new' tractor !! Another beast isn't it !! Thank you for the complimentary comment mon ami.
@@tractorman4461 You very welcome !!! Yes that ( New Tractor ) is for Chef Céline !!! LOL Joe want to put a snow plow into it !!! LOL keep warm Sir Cheers !!!
Oh my, how lucky you are to have these old tractors to tinker with!
Of course there is no farming ( to speak of ) around here where I live, so tractors generally, are 'rare birds' in my neck-o-the-woods!
Thanks very much for this one.
Wow...!! Thats kinda sad....how do old guys spend their time if there are no tractors to occupy their time !! LOL. That's something I NEVER heard of....no tractors...Heck, I think I'm in shock !! Dang Reg....
@@tractorman4461 Yeah, it's a bit of a 'let down',... but us 'old guys' spend their time watching young fellows working with their tractors I guess! hahahaha!
I do have a 'new' tractor though, well, I bought my Kioti CK20S in 2007,..so it's on it's way to be 'old' I suppose LOL.
Then I spend some of my time making implements for it, Like a P.T.O. driven log splitter, and a set of forks, things like this.
I get some of my ideas from an 'old buddy' I met here on TH-cam, then when it comes time to paint it I watch the 'expert there in Quebec,...... he's a 'specialist with
black and yellow paint! ( I'm laughing away to myself here now! ,.. sorry Dave! )
@@regsparkes6507 I remember talking about your Kioti back when you were wondering if it'd handle a buzz saw.... Remember I confirmed that my 16 hp Kubota runs away with it...?? 2007...?? Heck, my B7100 was bought new in '82. ONLY new tractor I ever bought.
I'm chuckling right along with you....ol Dave must've been a bumble bee in a prior existence... One thing for sure though is he can really apply the paint and is just as handsome as the devil doing it too !! LOL !! (I wonder if his ears are burning about now....) I'm still drawing a blank on who it is you could possibly be getting an attachment idea from..... Stay Warm don't work too hard Reg.
Thank you that was fun been there and done that.
Cool !! Thanks for watching. I recently picked up a new used radiator for it so hopefully it will make it into the shop this winter for the repair and alternator conversion.
Good video sir. You mentioned you were less familiar with the old JD two cylinders. In case you didn’t know, it is good practice to engage the clutch (pop handle forward) with transmission in neutral when you are sitting around idling the engine. Looking forward to more. Keep up the great work. I have a JD A and JD B, among others in my collection.
You know, just the other day, while running my brothers '37 Massey Harris Challanger he told me that that was a good idea and I've just got to commit that to memory. Thanks for reminding me. The only hand clutch I have is the old '39 A so I'm going to set both of them like that this morning. I just started the A for the first time in 8 years a few months ago so that tells you how much I use them. This 50 though is going to become one of the daily drivers as soon as I get all the bugs out and figure out the radiator issue. Thanks again Hans....I do think I need to find a operators manual for this 50 and a drawbar too. May just make one of those but I'll have to find a pic on the internet first. Thanks again!
Thanks for your video.
Well it was a good day for sure....but I sure was WRONG about it being negative ground from the factory. It is 12v POSITIVE ground from the factory. I corrected the mis-spoke statement in the description box so hopefully I don't mis lead too many people.
Great job boy those starters all sound the same
Boy, they sure do, don't they. I need to point out I mistakenly said this was a negative ground tractor...its not...its originally positive ground. Thanks Ed for the comment !!
Awesome.i am going to get a points file.
Mine is at least 25 years old and has been drug through hundreds of sets of points. Here's Amazon's offer: www.amazon.com/Cal-Van-Tools-693-Ignition-Point/dp/B0067YFPBC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=35XQRXBXDBS5R&keywords=ignition+points+file&qid=1686708797&sprefix=ignition+points+file%2Caps%2C153&sr=8-1
And at the right time.😊
Yeah Buddy !!
My father's 41 B is positive ground. I had no clue. Battery would constantly discharge. Mechanic at the local dealership told me.Owners manual said nothing about it.
Yeah Bob, I was wrong while recording the video. I said it appeared to be negative ground. But a John Deere enthusiast corrected me. I downloaded the wiring diagram and followed out the wiring and proved that it is in fact positive ground. But none of that is going to matter, because I am going to put either a one wire Delco or a three wire Delco 12 V negative ground charging system on it.
@@tractorman4461 I had an owners manual for my father's model 60, not sure of the year though.........mid 50s. Dad had written in the manual, 'positive ground' so apparently all the two cylinders were! My model B battery would go dead after awhile, never figured out why, till they told me to swap battery cables :) PS love your videos!!!
@@bobpeckinpaugh2550 awesome !! I’m glad you enjoy them. The theory behind positive ground was that it gave a bigger and hotter spark on the older six volt systems. Most manufacturers changed to negative ground when production went to 12v but I guess John Deere was holding out on the change. Automotive systems went to 12v negative ground pretty much across the board in ‘56.
I enjoyed this video so much,
Thanks Jan...the tractor sure has a personal connection and it is going to stay here for a mighty long time. I just have to get deeper into the radiator leak to see if its repairable or not. One thing I may not have mentioned, my buddy also gave me a John Deere pedal tractor to go along with the 50 that his dad bought for him when he was just four years old. I have it hanging high inside the shed !!
@@tractorman4461 That is very nice, please slip the camera over it one day, would like to see it. I have my Son's that I bought for him on his first birthday, he is now 29, I saved it all the time.
The beer can could be there to act as a brake for the throttle to keep it from moving. Beware of the diaphragm in the sediment bowl. When, (not, if) they go bad, gas ends up in the oil. Wixs makes a fuel filter that will fit in the sediment bowl, number 33039. That way you don't have to have an in line filter. But the best investment I've ever made in my distributor type tractors is an electronic ignition.
I love the Petronix electronics for the old tractors. The last one I did was a '72 2000 Ford three cylinder. Best improvement ever....especially starting in sub freezing weather. I use the matched Flamethrower coils too and suppression wires. Best thing ever !! Thanks for the tip on the fuel filter inside the sediment bowl. Good idea, thanks for the tip. Good point on the beer can too...I'll keep that in mind. Right now I'm in the need for a radiator for the old JD.
@@tractorman4461 if you didn't know already, they are rebuild able. Just replace the core. Watch what you get for a replacement, some only have to two or three rows of tubes. The guy that made the core for my 60 put five rows in. Takes a lot of time and patience to get them part and have the drill and tap set ready.
@@danw6014 Yes, I have had them recored in the past. But within the last 10 years or so the third of three local radiator shops closed their doors. Mostly due to the change in automotive radiators going to composites and aluminum materials. Kinda leaves us tractor-guys holding the bag.
I would call that one a good start....went through all the things it needed and then away she went....sounds good....CHEERS
I was glad to see her kick off. They spin at such a slow revolution with the starter...but it just needed a little gas under the plugs to get her to fire off. Thanks for watching Gator !!
Love. It!
Cool, glad to see you like old John Deere's !! This thing runs pretty darn good. I still need a radiator for it though.
Willie's back! LOL! Man, that was almost as good as watching a mystery whodunnit - anticipation, intrigue, suspense and the cliff hanger at the end! - but I knew you would get her fired up, T! I think we should call you the tractor whisperer. :)) Very cool to see you spark some life into these old gals! Cheers!
Hahahahahaha...everybody enjoys a mystery huh. I got the rag tag 'look' of Willie down pat so now if I could just figure out how to imitate his wealth I'd be set !! LOL. Always good for a chuckle GP, thank you my friend for stopping by and visiting this morning. But now I'm....On The Road Again..... LOL
LOL! Just start singing T! The money will start rolling in...:))
@@GPOutdoors hahahahaha......if I was to sing, it may make it to Funniest Home Videos...LOL
Nice video
Thanks Jay. But I made a mistake when I said it was negative ground.... it is POSITIVE ground. I spoke in haste.
Tractor man 44
I'm suffering from lach lack of YOUR SHEET METAL VIDEOS.
PLEASE FILL THE PRESCRIPTION WITH SOME COMPLICATED TRANSITION OR EVEN A SIMPLE OFF SET.
OMG...!! That's hilarious.... Well I guess the proper response would've been that I'm sorry for your suffering and anguish. LOL Well...how about just a simple refresher on simple square duct then a small air handler installation for some quick relief....Think that may help you in your recovery...?? Thanks Tom and man o man you get the gold star for making me laugh out loud !! Dang...we made the jump from a John Deere to duct...just....like....that....!! Now, how was THAT for a simple 'transition'..... LOL
@@tractorman4461 well Mr Wendell anything you do is to say the least Is quiet GENIUS, as you are a Master in all you endeavor to tackle.
@@tomwalker9184 Thank you Tom for the awesome compliment. I really DO have two videos in holding pattern waiting to be edited. I'll get to them just for you sir !! Have a wonderful week my friend....
@@tractorman4461 Mr. Wendell that sir would be like giving your sheet metal fans a Great Christmas gift.
Thank you
I probably got up a bit before you did this morning and of course, I tipped me first cuppaJO your way! So if you felt a burst of JO Faerie energy, you now know why. And imagine my delight when I saw this John Deer 44 Adventure come up on the notices! So I ate,,,,,,,for some reason, a few paragraphs didn't show up?.. Good I checked! But y t has been weird of late anyway. I think they've been taken over by recovering nasty elves,,,,,,recovering from what? I do know but I wish they would recover! I was saying that you should have a tv show called, Dr.TM44 eat your heart out Dr.Kildare! This title would pull em in fer fer! Anyway, I need to sharpen my chain cuz my saw is cutting like a rasp. This means I must find all me sharpening stuff at my workbench. I think it's possible so I'll make an attempt! But first I must plan my day or at least the rest of the morning, which will take some ideas, drawings, mind control and another cuppaJO,which will be tilted your way. Sayin juice in your battery, I'd better charge mine! WAIT! This would require more planning so I'd better stick to one thing at a time instead of thinking and planning too much that it squelches my ideas that would ruin everything. So it's off to me pot but not on pot and I do refer to JO and not the old outhouse out back, which I have not! Anyway, my best to all at 44Ranch and give me best to the Missus! I am waiting for the new tractor calendar that you will find one day I your box of mail by the side of the road. So this is DaveyJO and I outta here and off rocketing off into another exciting adventure as soon as I think about which adventure I want to do this day. But after writing so much I may need some more nourishment besides oat meal. But now I have to plan for this and I must got!
I don't know why...but sometimes you remind me of playing pinball when I was a kid... LOL. That's not a bad thing.....its just that you are the 'man' when it comes to packing a lot int a little package....but you cover the territory to get it all packed in !! Talking chainsaws.....I hit a chunk of
CONCRETE in the middle of a chunk of oak yesterday. I only shined up the concrete a little bit, but it sure played a tune on about ten teeth all in a row !! Thanks in advance for the 2021 calendar DaveyJO!! Hey man, gotta go and add some more answers and I'm editing another on at the same time.....I'll tip one and toast you and Alice in the morning ol' buddy !!
hi again i was always messy . i use to have a JD A wide front . real good on your order of sequence . john
Yeah, me too...I think messy is my middle name. LOL. Thanks John for taking the time to watch and comment.
@@tractorman4461 just picking them off one at a time they are all great . i often wonder if you were a neighbor what in the world would we be making next john
@@fricknjeep Well John....I think there's just some guys that just ain't supposed to get into things together if for no other reason, for the sake of those around them! LOL. God only knows what would happen.... (-: Take Care and make a little smoke today...keep warm.
I have learned more from you about a 50 then anybody else now I want one nice video I also subscribed immediately after watching your video 😎👍👍🇺🇸
Thank you Don...glad to hear you enjoyed it. One thing another viewer brought to my attention...he told me this one is positive ground. Not being a JD guy I don't know for sure. But it seems to me all the wires attached to the one battery cable should be the positive because no one runs grounds back to the battery....that I know of. They would just ground the other end of their circuits to the frame whether it was positive or negative ground. But like I replied to that viewers reply it really doesn't matter to me because I will change it to negative ground alternator set up anyway. Thank you for such a kind comment and feel free to comment on any of the videos....I'll respond eventually.
One other thing to look for if it's positive ground or negative ground is on top post batteries the positive post is always larger diameter than negative post. Just saying
Well I am not a John Deere guy at all and as a result I found I made a wrong assumption that it was negative ground. It is definitely positive ground. I strongly suspect the relatives of the gentleman that owned this mistakenly hooked up a battery reversed and that's what melted the wiring off the generator. It's going to be changed to an alternator and changed to negative ground permanently. I'm not even going to check out the generator...its probably toast anyway. Thanks Brenda for the input.
I have one of these in my barn and I want to say thank you for this video. I feel confident about getting mine running. We called her "Putt Putt"
Awesome !! All there is to do then, is go ahead and bring old Putt-Putt back to life !! One thing though I have to point out...it was originally positive ground, not negative ground as I indicated in the video. Good luck and post back, if you would, the successful results of your work.
I grew up haying on a John Deere “A” & “B”. The “A” had a hand start by spinning the fly wheel. Brings back some good days. Thanks
If everything is juuuuusssssst right I think starting with old ones with the flywheel isn't too bad. But lazy guys like me prefer a starter....LOL. My old '39 A is like that, but its a little rough. Thanks for watching !!
Out standing I hope my JD never has sit that long. Good job learned a bit.
I can't wait to get this old gal into the shop. She sure runs good, but needs a bit of work so I can use her as a daily driver. The big issue will be repairing the radiator leak, if possible. If not, that expense will be painful !! Heck, if you liked this one, when you have the time, check out this playlist John: th-cam.com/video/8tyUG0eqcW0/w-d-xo.html Thanks for watching and have a nice day !!
Great video, my compliments to you for your easy going, down to earth nature. You are very informative, to the point, and no cussing.
God Bless.
Thank you Roger for the kind compliment. I gotta admit though I DO ramble on a bit on some videos. I have to point out to you that I was totally wrong about the polarity. This one was originally positive ground. The occasional cuss word slips out but that is not what I want to promote, so when it does, they are edited out. Its not too often though.
This story runs perfectly parellel with mine. Friends dad had a 50 then died of cancer 10 years or so ago. Tractor beens sitting since then in a shed. I bought her and was surprised to find the engine still loose and juice still in the battery. Havent started her yet but will soon.
Dang Levi, I think there are a lot similar situations out there. You're lucky with a little juice still in the battery !! I didn't get so lucky, but this one sat from '96, nice and dry inside a shed. I've still got to get into the leak in the radiator before this one goes back to work. But soon.... Thanks for the story and thanbks for watching !!
You always do a great job like your video got my old ford 2000 going and new rubbor sure feels good to make something run
I went through an old 1972 2000 that sat in a lean-to for almost 20 years. Electronic ignition, Delco conversion, made my own dash pod with conventonal gauges, Holly rebuild....now I need at least one new rear rim. I don't even have ALL the videos edited yet. Hopefully you've seen the ones uploaded so far.
Thanks for the complimentary comment David.
What a great tractor. I drove a 50 on the farm for quite a while, we did hay work with it alot.
This one will become a nice daily driver to compete with the little Massey's I now use most of the time. I'm glad to have brought a memory or two back of working with your old 50.
I like your approach. Nice work.
Thank you for the comment....but I gotta come clean and tell you I was 100% wrong about it being negative ground. It was originally positive ground, 12Volt. If you enjoy these kinds of videos, I do have a playlist up top labeled 'first starts': th-cam.com/play/PLk72G9DTzZ1uWqQ2hDCRVubPve9JlLzhw.html There's a lot of them to choose from.
I just got my Father-in-Laws 1959 JD 530 going this week.It has been sitting for about 5 years.
Cool to get the old thing up and running again. Hopefully it was inside and out of the elements. I need a radiator for this 50 plus I need to correct all the wiring. Good luck with your project !! Thanks for the comment.
@@tractorman4461 Yes it has been stored indoors or under a shed most of its life.Needs tires and little TLC but overall nice old tractor
th-cam.com/video/5FD-nT0Dr-I/w-d-xo.html
This is a video of one of the last times I used it before it was put in storage
Plan on doing some work on it start using it little more often to keep it up and running good
Good job and nice tractor.
Thanks Harold, for the comment...the old gal needs just a little TLC to make her really sweet !!
Love John Deere 50s' The first tractor I ever drove.
Michelob Ultralight didn't exist in the 90s. Michelob Ultra was first introduced in 2002....as a bottle Cans didn't come out until early 2003 and ultralight came after that.
That's funny...you can tell I'm not a beer drinker. After working on the old gal a bit AND finding out what you said about the particular beer, my bet is that it might even have been a leftover from some of the family trying to get it running at one time because I found the wires off the generator all melted together. I know the tractor wouldn't have been left like that by my buddy's dad. I don't even think he even drank beer anyway. Thanks Jack for watching and commenting....that's whats cool about TH-cam...its amazing what a fellow learns from viewers !!
I am here because you have a great youtube channel. I should be the one thanking you for the things I've learned here. Thank you! Please keep up the great work.
@@jackkottwitz5236 Now I didn't expect such an awesome reply Jack. Thank you sir for such supportive words. Things like this small conversation is one of the reasons why I go to the trouble to make videos about the things that consume my time.
I got my 520 in 1972 and still have it
they were all built as positive ground
My experience is changing them to negative ground didnt work as well
they usually like to start lean, as soon as it hits give it some choke my two like full choke at that point then half till they warm a bit
On my tractors if they rollover 4 times 8 revs and dont hit they are not going to start, check the points and plugs fuel is usually not a issue unless you are using the wrong lead substitute (see below)
they were built with 6 volt coils with a 12volt by pass from the starter so on start they have 12 volts at the coil ( there is a resistor under the dash to drop the voltage)
A sliver of emery cloth works as good a points file, some times better
you can short the points with the screw driver to makes sure you have spark and by pass the points when testing
be careful with lead substitute the grey stuff can plug/gum up the whole fuel system
A bunch of good tips there. I have since found a manual on the 50 and the first thing I did was check the wiring diagram. It was originally wired like you described above. When I go back to fix the radiator I’m going to correct my thoughts about the wiring sometime in that new video. Thanks for watching and for the great tips on these old gals.
@@tractorman4461 Like I said I have had a 520 for 50 years and a 620 for 40 (used to have 2 620s) so if you get stuck let me know, both mine still run and can go to work, we just don't drive them much as the parts are getting harder to find and the newer diesels are easier on fuel. one of the things you will want to do before using a lot is replace the 90w in the gear case and first reduction gear. it gets water in it and lots of use can cause it to foam and get in to the breaks or clutch. in the breaks it can make them grabby and break either the break spindle housing or teeth of the brake shaft that runs against the bull gear, those broken teeth can if they fall right knock a hole in the gear case if they get between the bull gear and the case.
another thing I would do is find the lowest point in the fly wheel cover sheet metal and drill a small drain hole in it. those old tractors can leak water into that space and if it starts to fill with water it can mess up the starter
@@derfvader6951 Great !! Thanks for the additional tips. I've never been big into JD's though I never turn them down. I still have the old '39 A, this 50 and an old LA, but i traded a '50's A for a Massey 101 Junior and another '50's A for a '58 Dodge 4wd Power Wagon a long time ago, but that was back when old tractors could be bought for almost nothing. I think I traded labor for the twin A's back in the late 70's maybe early 80's. (Wish I still had them)LOL. The Power Wagon has gone down the road too....
I will take heed of your good advice above and I thank you sir for your time.
When the tractor is just sitting there in neutral running always engage the clutch. Its hard on the bushing in the belt pulley on the crank not too and wears your bushing out a lot faster.
Not being a big JD guy...yet....that is good information. The other day when I was running his '37 Massey Harris Challenger back in the woods he informed me of that. I will adapt my routine. Thanks Kenny I appreciate the input.
@@tractorman4461I grew up on them old heifers. Learned a thing or 12 the hard way. Lol. You have any questions feel free to ask brother.
@@kennycriswell141 Thank you Kenny, that's good to know. I grew up on Massey Harris tractors and all four of those were foot clutch models from 1939 to the early 50's. This 50 and the old '39 A are the only two hand clutch models I have. Well, I have a MH33 and an Allis CA that have hand and foot clutches, but the hand clutches on those only disengage the right final drive so the pto can stay in operation. They really aren't a true 'hand' clutch. This old 50 is going to be put to work as soon as I get the radiator problem straightened out. I found out AFTER I got it running that the tractor is 12 Positive ground instead of my thinking in the video that it was Negative ground. But that tid bit of information explains the melted wiring off the generator if one of the old guys family hooked up a battery backwards. Thanks again for the comment and if I run into an issue I can't figure out I'll holler for help !!
note: that tractor is a positive ground.
Like I said, I'm not a big Deere guy, but that might explain the wires on the 12v generator being smoked before I started on it...that's why I disconnected those wires before I put in the battery. I'll have to ask my buddy if someone tried to get it fired up back in '96 when it was relocated 30 miles away because then that would explain the melted wires on the generator. But no matter, because that's all going to go away anyway when either a Denso or a Delco one wire alternator is going to go back on and I'll maintain the now negative ground. Thanks Michael for the heads up.
@@tractorman4461 If you go to Neg ground dont overlook having the coil properly
polarized. The main reason is a properly
polarized coil produces a Negative voltage
pulse going to the plug center electrode.
So the spark jumps from the center electrode to the outer electrode. The
hotter center electrode emits electrons
much more freely than the colder outer
electrode so that you get a better spark.
@@michaelcates9042 That's great information. I knew the steps required for the change, but didn't really know why. I know a lot of purists argue against any changes beyond original, but I like to keep all the ones around here the same, because there's more than one guy using them. Replacing the battery with them all wired for negative ground minimizes the potential for damage due to improperly connecting a battery. Thanks Michael for the more technical input.
that’s pretty cool
Thank Byron. I really though I'd get this one in the shop over the winter, but I just didn't make it. At least it'll be an easy one to get back for use as a daily driver once I solve the radiator leak.