In old Chinese tales people who are exceptionally strong willed could overcome any toxins thanks to meditation. Those tales might've been the inspiration behind the interaction between psychic and poison types
@@GelatinCoffee I'm from central Europe and somehow know many legends from the rest of the continent -_- Japan and China were really close culturally many centuries ago and shared a lot of legends and folk tales.
@@OverlordParadox we don't get taught like, anything about the outside world in American schools 😅. Sorry, besides WW1 & WW2. You have to learn about it yourself over here
I've always assumed the physic being strong against poison was a "mind over matter" thing. You could get sick, but with a strong enough will power you can continue going through life as if you weren't.
It could also be that psychic is the "mental" power, as in intelligence, and intelligence has created antidotes. Also, it could be related to the "purging" your body of toxins -thing.
I think it has to do with poison being kind of an "unseen enemy"/assassin thing. The whole idea seems to be that psychics can detect assassins. While the Dark type took over this role in some respects from gen 2 onward, they seem to be specifically anti-psychic assassins, which is why they're weak to fighting. So poison type implies physical assassin whereas dark type implies psychic assassin.
Yeah pure power and huge power (they are literally the same abillity) are easily some of the best abillities in the series right behind wonder guard. It's why azumarilll becomes such a beast in later gens.
@@N12015 Yea, but you'd rarely let Machamp or any fighting type fight a grass type, especially when theyre part Poison type. It's really only a double edge sword if the opponent is a fast Pokémon and has the right moves to one-shot you.
I've always figured that Ground-type can filter out and separate poisons and toxins. (Like filtering water with different types of dirt) And Poison weak against Psychic gave me a mind over matter type of vibe. Princess Bride - The Battle of Wits (4min)
I agree with you there. Between the body and the mind, the body is the one doing the brute work when someone gets poisoned. But in this case it's a fortitude thing.@@epicfailscmback1184
Ironically, it would be the opposite. Pollution is a pretty big issue for soil and wetlands. If anything, Poison should be super effective against both ground and water.
If you think about Psychic type as "Mind type" or "soul type" and Fighting type as "Body type" then the two's relations with bug and poison start to make more sense. If poison is a substance which destroys the body, it wouldn't be very affective against the mind/soul of a person. Bugs on the other hard are piddly and inconsequential when it comes to hurting the body of a human or animal of similar size, but they are quite terrifying, destroying the mind's concentration, rendering psychic type a poor match for bugs.
@@arkdraellhelldrake4079Perhaps they intended it like an assassin tank matchup in RPGs neither are good against the other one. Or just went with RNG assigning weakness and resistances lol.
@@arkdraellhelldrake4079 A person who is very highly trained would be in great shape and likely better at resisting the effects of poison (even if it does damage the body)
My theory of why Psychic is super effective against Poison is, that back in Gen. 1 the Psychic Type may have been intended to be something of a Light Type, countering Poison, which was in part a stand-in for the yet nonexistent Dark Type. The Marsh Badge's Japanese name means "Gold Badge" probably because gold as a color is sometimes associated with psychic powers. Then in Gen. 2 they appear to have changed their mind on that, making Dark immune against Psychic.
Relying on Psychic so much made this run way harder for you All you needed was: -Brick Break -Shadow Ball/Rock Slide -Bulk Up -Recover There are so many mons you can set up on for free and just win. Lance's Gyarados legit can't kill you barring a crit once you set up.
I did a Meditite run in Emerald not too long ago and I had that exact move set. It was either sweep or be swept. But every fight was very easy once I had that move set. Just remembered I never did the Steven fight. Might do another one and try the postgame fight as well.
The first time I ever managed to successfully completed a monotype nuzlocke without whiping once was a psychic run in Scarlet and that was thanks almost entirely to my medicham smacking everything harder than anyone else. Pure/huge power is monstrous, especially on a pokemon with coverage for days. Carry on the spirit, Medichop, I believe in you.
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I was always see Psychic as also being related to humans, which is why it’s weaknesses are the three of the most common fears. As for the Psychic’s strengths: brain over brawn (fighting) and humans coming up with antidotes (poison)
Pure Power is an AWESOME ability! I remember doing this kind of run in Emerald. While it was hard. Once I got Brick Break, Bulk Up and Shadow Ball. It was game over for most of the major fights. Physical Shadow Ball with Bulk Up on a Pokémon with Pure Power trivialized almost every fight. I did struggle with Roxanne, Tate & Liza and the Elite Four but once I set up, it was just a straight up knockout spree. Thanks for doing this challenge, wonder if it'll be any harder in the Gen 4 games with the physical special split? MDBAMA: Aside from the Nancy Drew and Pokémon Stadium lets plays, what was the best and funniest lets play you did?
A lot of the early generation poison types like Grimer or Koffing were more toxic than poisonous so maybe it's the ability to move toxic substances without touching it that gives psychic types that advantage?
I always assumed psychic had the edge over poison as you wouldn't be able to poison someone with psychic abilities as they'd know you was trying to poison them or something lol
MDBAMA I've always thought it was weird that it says "The water is dyed a deep blue..." So they dyed the entire ocean. So my question is "What color do you think water normally is in the pokeverse?
I always treated Psychic beating Poison as "stronger will to survive". As for ground, I assumed it was "rub some dirt in it" for when you get hurt and use that to just... Feel better
Psychic vs Poison in universe explanation: just a shot in the dark, but I think tai chi practictioners can use chi to expel toxins from their bodies. I dunno 🤷♂️
MDBAMA: After the Metronome Challenge what would you say is the worst Pokemon Challenge in your mind that you have ever done and by that I mean the one that was the least fun to do.
I think he's answered this in the most recent video in his Vlogs playlist, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but. I think he said that Magikarp was rough, but that metronome was not so much rough as it was boring. Since it wasn't so much grinding and awful stats as it was waiting for good moves
Yeah so, when I did this run I took rock slide from rock tunnel. And I think that might have been really important I guess. A trivialized basically every flying type. And it was pretty good damage against psychic types. I didn't even use Shadow Ball but I did pick up the TM to keep in my back pocket
@@Buddy26420 oh, yeah I let it evolve. I want doing an exact copy of this challenge. I figured that since medicham learned it, so did meditite did too. Weird that it's THAT different.
One of the earliest Taoist works is the I Ching, the Book of Changes. It is a Divination manual that has been used as an influence for a lot of in game mechanics, one of which is elemental type charts. Psychic beating Poison is probably an interpretation from that.
I am with you on that, nothing turns me away from a pokemon quite like being able to 2 shot it with decent moves from a decent attacker and not even super effective, and then wild pokemon around it surviving better. Also taking almost no damage in return. Big no in my books
Reasons why I love MDB: Random tangent about type advantages making no sense in the middle of a Pokemon challenge 🤣 Seriously though MandJTV has a video explaining all the type matchups that I may need to watch after this one
The fact that you didnt know that pure power is an op ability allready is a huge part of why i like your content. your just a guy that likes some pokemans
MDBAMA: your rules allow you to use held items, but I don't think you mention them in your videos much. Do you switch up held items during your runs, e.g. berries to combat predictable status conditions from some gyms, type-boosting items for particularly vital moves, or do you tend to keep them pretty consistent during the run? Great video! I thought it was really interesting how Aerodactyl's move patterns changed. I wonder if it was because you had more speed or if it was because you had more hp.
12:32 I discovered this chanel when MandJTV did reaction to one of your challenges. I then promptly went over your backlog and watched every single one of your Pokemon challenges, and I'm continuing to do so.
MDBAMA I hope you’re feeling well MDB! I was curious on whether or not you would attempt something Gen 6 or later and what your thoughts were on that? Maybe something like Honedge only? 🤔
I'm sure there have been other hard Pokemon Tower Rival fights, at some point in gamer history. The reason that fight is seen as super easy is that you can't progress in the tower until you get the Silph Scope from Celadon City, so most players go there first, but the Rival's team is balanced around the player facing him as soon as they reach Lavender Town, which makes him a lot weaker. Also, No Guard only comes with Gen 4, Machop line only has Guts in Gen 3. Lots of people have difficulty remembering the various changes between the generations. This was an incredible video, though. Great effort on your part, particularly with getting past Lance. Hope you've let your nerves rest a bit.
No, it's because they're young and used to later games. No Guard literally doesn't exist in Generation 3; Guts was the Machop line's only ability this generation.
I tend to think that ground being good against poison is akin to charcoal biscuits and the like... The poison is like an upset stomach "damaging" you and some powder dirt will fix that... Kinda weird, but it lets me remember and kinda makes sense, which is often the best that you can hope for :)
I have some ideas for a challenge run; Pokémon Platinum with only a Magby Pokémon Platinum with only TM moves Pokémon Platinum with only a Stunky Pokémon Black with only gift Pokémon Pokémon Black with only a Roggenrola Pokémon Red with only TMs and HMs
Tip for future runs where you need to grind just outside the starting town, you can return to your house and talk to your Mom to have her heal your pokemon faster than a pokemon center will on top of being closer. This applies to most games from what I remember.
I think it's possible that you could have beaten this at a lower level with +6 Calm Mind and Psychic. All about timing the setup. Moveset of Calm Mind, Psychic, Recover, and Brick Break.
He’s surprised by Pure Power, just wait until he sees Huge Power. XD Thank you for your hard work. Looking forward to the HeartGold Munchlax, whenever it might be. Hope you enjoyed your meal.
Psychic in the Pokémon games is a manifestation of the mind (people are afraid of ghosts, bugs, and the dark). Poison can be cured by science, ie. the mind, ie. psychic types.
In medieval Europe, there was a popular form of poison cure called “terra sigilata”, or sealed earth. Essentially, it was a baked clay biscuit with a stamp on it that supposedly imbued it with anti-poison powers. They actually did work against an ingested poison if someone ate it soon after: much like activated charcoal today, the clay would absorb the posion in the stomach and let it pass through without absorbing into the bloodstream.
Okay, I'm no linguist, but Bulbapedia says the Japanese psychic type translates more accurately to "Esper," or "ESPer" I think, which is someone that has "extrasensory perception." I think the reasoning for psychic being strong against poison is that an ESPer would sense someone sneaky with a poisoned weapon coming after them or be able to perceive the poison in a poisoned food/drink item and thus be able to stop the poisoning before it happens. Just look at Espeon: it’s not just the Psychic Eevee, it’s quite literally the ESP Eevee.
To answer your questions about poison types strengths and weaknesses: Poison vs Ground. Sand filters are used to isolate and remove toxic substances from water. Poison vs Psychic. A lot of people will say "Mind over Matter" though this is a bit misleading because psychic doesn't resist poison, it's just super effective against it. Still a good short hand though. That being said, the better explanation would probably be that psychics are able to detect and neutralize the poison before they have a chance to infect something. Poison vs Normal. The true answer to this is likely just that GF wanted to have a type that was just general overall with basically no weaknesses and strengths. You could make an argument for basically every type having a reason for being super effective against Normal. For that reason, if you're weak to everything, you're weak to nothing except for stronger Normals (aka, Fighting) XD.
I have been summoned with questions about poison type matchups. I don't remember where I heard this but supposedly, psychic is strong against poison because the mind is stronger than what can affect the body. Poison is weak against ground because hazardous wastes (which make up part of the poison type) are buried underground to neutralize them (even though the ground itself isn't stopping them, they're put in sealed barrels).
To your type question: Psychic types put up barriers and manipulate over distance, so it's obviously good against smog, acid etc. Ground negates poison, it sucks it up and it slowly vanishes. Over the contamination course the ground can't grow plants. The other type interactions that you mentioned aren't picked for balance reasons. It makes sense, that flying should also be strong against poison and weak against psychic, but they are really picky with their type balance. Don't overthink that part too much.
For the question about poison and psychic relation my best guess is that people can train to become immune to poison and you need the willpower to do so.
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I saw the whole psychic vs poison matchup like this. If you're going to get assassinated your killer might poison your food or something like that Hitman style but if you're a psychic you'd see it coming before it happens.
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Psychic has a few theories: it can "foresee" the poison to avoid it, mind over body, psychic shield, or it "knows" how to detox it. Ground = charcoal, which is the original antidote to many poisons (I think there was an interview where they confirmed that).
Go little Meditite, go!! Kick all the butt, hell yah!!! I've also never heard of that ability before, and I did look it up, and it seems to be exclusive to the Meditite family. Neat! Good for them.
My theory with Psychic type being strong against Poison was because during conception, Psychic types possess mystic and curative powers. Most Pokémon that learned Recover were Psychic types (or evolve into one) in Gen I and II. And Rest is a Psychic type move as well. I kinda understand how Ground RESIST Poison, but I don't get how they hit them Super Effectively.
Seen a couple people answer but in regards to the type matchups: Ground is strong against poison because sand/graphite filters can be used to remove toxins from water and even the human body. (Many accidental poison consumptions are treated with graphite pills that help to absorb and insulare the toxins so your body doesnt absorb them) Psychic is strong against poison because of "mind over matter" philosophy. If i remember correctly a more literal translation of psychic type from the Japanese is "mystic" which is why its used for everything from ESP to Wizard themes (Alakazam vs Braixen). Aesetic Hermits and Darmas were said to be able to cure and filter poisons from their body simply by being so intune with their own body they could choose not to digest or absorb them.
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My take on the „psychic/poison“ thing was the idea of overcoming a poison or disease with sheer will power. That kind of thing. In „Dungeons and Dragons“, monks get resistances to poison eventually, because their extreme mindfulness allows them to just overcome this kind of stuff through their strong will. I think that‘s kinda the justification.
The explanation of psychic and poison interaction is that with knowledge and study (which are the characteristics of psychic type) you can discover antidotes to poisons
2:56 I think of it as sort of the same reason that Psychic is strong against Fighting (brains over brawn). If you take Psychic to be the "smart" type, then Psychic-types would have more knowledge than most Pokemon about what something should or shouldn't smell or taste like, so they would be more able to detect poison in their surroundings or food. Also, Psychic-types can mostly read minds, so they would be able to spot someone thinking of poisoning them from a mile away.
It's funny you mention that about poison. In Temtem, poison is super effective against water types due to the contamination reason. That is an interesting question though. I like Hazama's explanation on it. They say "mind over matter". Now, when I think of Psychic, I think of normal people in real life with abilities like reading minds, seeing into the future and being able to commune with ghosts. This is to explain why dark and ghost are super effective to them. I can't forget about bug though. Maybe they're weak to parasites?
My theory when it comes to ground being strong against poison is what elderly people said to you when you got a cut/ infection, “ just rub some dirt into it”.
This man forgot ghost is physical in gen 3 and smashed his head against various psychic types when he coulda had Shadow ball the ENTIRE time, only slotting it onto his moveset by Lorelie and even THEN not noticing the damage bump till Agatha...never change bread man
I always thought that Psychic and Poison interacted the way they did because of the whole "Mind over body" thing. Allowing you to neutralize the poison when it enters your body by sheer force of will.
@3:15 I believe that the logic behind "Psychic beats Poison" is that Psychic is the power of the mind, and stories of things like the placebo effect reducing the detriments of minor poisonings. Either that, or it's supposed to be that the Psychic Power manipulates the poison in the Poison Type's body to attack themselves, which is also reasonable.
I have always been curious how many trys those fights take. How about you Just add a Counter to the top right were we see how many trys Ur in ? I think That would be awesome! Keep it up always Love Ur videos on saturday!
You mentioned about Bruno's Machamp having the No Guard ability. In Generation 3, it only has the Guts ability. Gen 4 and onward, Machamp can get the No Guard ability, Guts ability, and it's hidden ability, Steadfast.
I have been watching these for so long, every single episode, that last week I actually had to stop and think of the name Gyrados. I wanted to say Water Onix. It literally took me almost half a minute to remember the name Gyrados.
So video is not over yet, I might complain too early but: How did you not get Return far earlier and have a hard hitting physical attack that is not fighting type?!? You never forget to get the Return TM... This could have made fights like Rival fival waaay easier Edit: also all the other rival fights after that and maybe even Lance? Anyway, as always a great video and I really enjoy watching your content!
In hindsight, you may have wanted to use the moves Brick Break, (Or high jump kick with wide lens), Shadow Ball, Meditate, and Recover. The limiting factor to this move set would’ve been an opponent you could set up against, and while tough, you probably could have set up against lances Gyrados earlier using this method. That does remove the psychic against Agatha, so I’m not sure how effective shadow ball would’ve been against Arbok and Golbat, but it would still have likely worked in your favor. Still, you won regardless. Congrats.
1. Shadow Ball is a Physical Attack in Gen III, so that means you could have basically used it to rip through the Alakazam every time you face it once you get it in Celadon City. Buggy early games were buggy lol 2. Psychic beats Poison I believe because it takes great cleverness to outwit and heal or will out a Poison, hence why a Psychic type could easily overwhelm it. No idea why Ground does though, lol
Ah man this "what is poison in pokémon canon?" Talk brings me back to Lockstin's explaining every single move in existence series xd Man I had forgotten about that channel. I don't even see him on twitter anymore.
Hey MDB, great Challenge again. I have two ideas for some challenges. How about a Vulpix only run, this one in gen 4. It can learn some decent moves and fire is decently strong in Sinnoh. I think, you might get an interesting run out of it. The second one would be an Eeveelution run. Not to hard i guess, but you need some easier runs from time to time as well. If you want a harder one, you should go for gen 2. You get at maximum 5 and in crystal you should be able to evolve all before the league. The easiest should be gen 4 in Sinnoh. You can get 7 in total with a wide variety.
Pure Power/Huge Power definitely are great abilities, but to get the most out of them, you have to intentionally EV-train in Attack, and you probably want to also reset for good Attack IVs. What makes the ability so broken is that it doubles not just your base Attack stat, but also all the extra points in Attack that you get from EVs and IVs. And yeah, Bruno's Machamp doesn't have No Guard... because No Guard was introduced in Gen 4.
As a poison type fanatic, I can tell you that Psychic being good against poison is because they interpret Psychic as a “mind” type and it’s like meditating/having a healthy and strong mind can dampen a poison in your body. It’s kinda weird to explain, but that’s how I’d explain it. Also poison should 100% be good against Normal and Water, the type needs the buff
My Explanation to Poison and its weaknesses would be that Poison is based on a Poisoned drink or food A psychic could detect the poison with some kind of futuresight or dangersense and spilling the drink on the ground would also make the poison disapear
Lol all this time and I just realized the guy blocking your path to Saffron City just wanted to spill the tea (gossip) kinda like schmoozing someone to distract and get past them 😂😂
One theory about psychic being super effective to poison. Is that being a psychic you have to clear your mind, which poison can be intrusive thoughts, something to muddy the mind.
The bit describing Pure Power makes me love how vague some of the gen3 abilities are. My favorite is still Guts saying "Ups attack if suffering." I thought it was useless as a kid because I had no idea what the game qualified as "suffering." Like was my Pokémon supposed to be low HP? Was it supposed to hate me?
i always figured psychic was strong against poison because of the whole fantasy book trope of having a riddle that if you get wrong you drink poison but if your smart you get through the riddle alive....or at least that is what my friends and i came up with when we were younger
I always assumed psychic representing the mind, hence why things people are scared of are super effective (ghosts, the dark, bugs) meanwhile it is strong against poison because the mind is what finds cures to poisons and diseases, it is also strong against fighting because brain > brawn and that sort of thing.
7:28 "So ready in fact that they never hit us"
*Gets hit by Water Pulse like a boss*
I was about to comment this
I noticed that too.
Pfft, it's just a training Waterfall, that's not a hit, that's just a freshener.
Nothing wrong with padding that resume.
Yeah, I just got to that part of the video 😂
In old Chinese tales people who are exceptionally strong willed could overcome any toxins thanks to meditation. Those tales might've been the inspiration behind the interaction between psychic and poison types
But pokemon is Japanese not Chinese
@@GelatinCoffee I'm from central Europe and somehow know many legends from the rest of the continent -_-
Japan and China were really close culturally many centuries ago and shared a lot of legends and folk tales.
@@OverlordParadox we don't get taught like, anything about the outside world in American schools 😅. Sorry, besides WW1 & WW2. You have to learn about it yourself over here
Reminds me of 神农尝百草
@@GelatinCoffee just like many other things in Japanese culture, like ramen, dumplings, and their entire writing system =P
I've always assumed the physic being strong against poison was a "mind over matter" thing. You could get sick, but with a strong enough will power you can continue going through life as if you weren't.
Also, if you're psychic, you can detect poison.
It could also be that psychic is the "mental" power, as in intelligence, and intelligence has created antidotes.
Also, it could be related to the "purging" your body of toxins -thing.
i figured it was maybe a psychic healer type thing
I think it has to do with poison being kind of an "unseen enemy"/assassin thing. The whole idea seems to be that psychics can detect assassins. While the Dark type took over this role in some respects from gen 2 onward, they seem to be specifically anti-psychic assassins, which is why they're weak to fighting.
So poison type implies physical assassin whereas dark type implies psychic assassin.
I heard it interpreted as "your own weapon against you" kind of deal
“I see every failed attempt. You see almost none of the failed attempts.”
That gave me a good laugh 😂
Yeah pure power and huge power (they are literally the same abillity) are easily some of the best abillities in the series right behind wonder guard. It's why azumarilll becomes such a beast in later gens.
And why you're best bet when facing a Mega Mawile, is to not let it attack
No Guard is up there too on the best abilities. Makes Machamp a beast.
@@connorfour Nah, it's good but also a double edge sword. You don't wan't 100% accurate hydro pumps and sleep powders against you.
Truant is best because it holds back the beast slaking from using 100% of his true power
@@N12015 Yea, but you'd rarely let Machamp or any fighting type fight a grass type, especially when theyre part Poison type. It's really only a double edge sword if the opponent is a fast Pokémon and has the right moves to one-shot you.
To get an idea of how good Pure Power and Huge Power are, Azumarill has effectively the same attack as Groudon.
With 252 EVs and Adamant nature btw. It is exactly 2 Attack off from matching Groudon's.
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Pokemon black with one zorua and you might want a zorua in the back to negate illusion
No, wait. Allow him to use illusion during the run by selectively picking pokemon to have in the back.
Counter: gen 7 or above so no hm mons are needed and the run can really be 1 zorua
I think illusions should be the center point of such challenge, otherwise you just a week special attacker run
Not quite sure what the point is in a run where Illusion isn't used and abused as Zorua. Illusion is free content.
dude u sugest that to often in discord
but i like it
I've always figured that Ground-type can filter out and separate poisons and toxins. (Like filtering water with different types of dirt)
And Poison weak against Psychic gave me a mind over matter type of vibe. Princess Bride - The Battle of Wits (4min)
mind over matter is more vs fighting type but you can resist some drugs with a very good mental health like alcoholadiction
I agree with you there. Between the body and the mind, the body is the one doing the brute work when someone gets poisoned. But in this case it's a fortitude thing.@@epicfailscmback1184
Ironically, it would be the opposite. Pollution is a pretty big issue for soil and wetlands. If anything, Poison should be super effective against both ground and water.
@@FraserSouris ye thats right but poison would be so OP xD
If you think about Psychic type as "Mind type" or "soul type" and Fighting type as "Body type" then the two's relations with bug and poison start to make more sense. If poison is a substance which destroys the body, it wouldn't be very affective against the mind/soul of a person. Bugs on the other hard are piddly and inconsequential when it comes to hurting the body of a human or animal of similar size, but they are quite terrifying, destroying the mind's concentration, rendering psychic type a poor match for bugs.
But poison is also weak against fighting
@@arkdraellhelldrake4079doesn't poison resist fighting?
@@connoromalley4004 Yeah, but is also weak AGAINST it as fighting also resists poison
@@arkdraellhelldrake4079Perhaps they intended it like an assassin tank matchup in RPGs neither are good against the other one.
Or just went with RNG assigning weakness and resistances lol.
@@arkdraellhelldrake4079 A person who is very highly trained would be in great shape and likely better at resisting the effects of poison (even if it does damage the body)
My theory of why Psychic is super effective against Poison is, that back in Gen. 1 the Psychic Type may have been intended to be something of a Light Type, countering Poison, which was in part a stand-in for the yet nonexistent Dark Type. The Marsh Badge's Japanese name means "Gold Badge" probably because gold as a color is sometimes associated with psychic powers.
Then in Gen. 2 they appear to have changed their mind on that, making Dark immune against Psychic.
Relying on Psychic so much made this run way harder for you
All you needed was:
-Brick Break
-Shadow Ball/Rock Slide
-Bulk Up
-Recover
There are so many mons you can set up on for free and just win. Lance's Gyarados legit can't kill you barring a crit once you set up.
I did a Meditite run in Emerald not too long ago and I had that exact move set. It was either sweep or be swept. But every fight was very easy once I had that move set. Just remembered I never did the Steven fight. Might do another one and try the postgame fight as well.
@@Gobl_943 Yeah, Bulk Up + Recover makes Gen 3 runs with Meditite very easy.
Also the meditite must have had TERRIBLE Atk DVs and EVs to have such low attack at level 73.
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I've always wondered: If you were a gym leader, what would your team consist of?
Yeah that is actually interesting
Super interesting, considering that gym leaders tend to have a specific type and his favorite pokemon is drowzee but his favorite type is poison
He’d definitely have the helix fossil. For algorithm purposes that is…
That would be an awesome conversation for grinding!
@@GelatinCoffeewhat about blue
The first time I ever managed to successfully completed a monotype nuzlocke without whiping once was a psychic run in Scarlet and that was thanks almost entirely to my medicham smacking everything harder than anyone else. Pure/huge power is monstrous, especially on a pokemon with coverage for days.
Carry on the spirit, Medichop, I believe in you.
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I was always see Psychic as also being related to humans, which is why it’s weaknesses are the three of the most common fears. As for the Psychic’s strengths: brain over brawn (fighting) and humans coming up with antidotes (poison)
Maybe why psychic is good against poison is because you might know something has poison in it so I guess
Pure Power is an AWESOME ability! I remember doing this kind of run in Emerald. While it was hard. Once I got Brick Break, Bulk Up and Shadow Ball. It was game over for most of the major fights. Physical Shadow Ball with Bulk Up on a Pokémon with Pure Power trivialized almost every fight. I did struggle with Roxanne, Tate & Liza and the Elite Four but once I set up, it was just a straight up knockout spree. Thanks for doing this challenge, wonder if it'll be any harder in the Gen 4 games with the physical special split?
MDBAMA: Aside from the Nancy Drew and Pokémon Stadium lets plays, what was the best and funniest lets play you did?
I was working myself up over why MDB didn't use shadow ball. Would've made all the Alakazam fights against the rival and Sabrina so much more trivial
A lot of the early generation poison types like Grimer or Koffing were more toxic than poisonous so maybe it's the ability to move toxic substances without touching it that gives psychic types that advantage?
I always assumed psychic had the edge over poison as you wouldn't be able to poison someone with psychic abilities as they'd know you was trying to poison them or something lol
MDBAMA I've always thought it was weird that it says "The water is dyed a deep blue..." So they dyed the entire ocean. So my question is "What color do you think water normally is in the pokeverse?
This made me burst out laughing
I always treated Psychic beating Poison as "stronger will to survive". As for ground, I assumed it was "rub some dirt in it" for when you get hurt and use that to just... Feel better
Imagine MDB saying he's getting helix fossil, but in reality taking doom, ekhm... Dome fossil. It would be hilarious
Or put in completely unrelated footage of getting the egg from a different game
@@GelatinCoffeeI think he did that once as a joke sometime ago.... Cant remember for sure tho, could be mandela effect
It is said that someone with a strong mind is able to purge poison and ground actually is used to store toxic waste until it is no longer dangerous.
Psychic vs Poison in universe explanation: just a shot in the dark, but I think tai chi practictioners can use chi to expel toxins from their bodies.
I dunno 🤷♂️
MDBAMA: After the Metronome Challenge what would you say is the worst Pokemon Challenge in your mind that you have ever done and by that I mean the one that was the least fun to do.
I think he's answered this in the most recent video in his Vlogs playlist, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but. I think he said that Magikarp was rough, but that metronome was not so much rough as it was boring. Since it wasn't so much grinding and awful stats as it was waiting for good moves
@@GelatinCoffee When I am referring to worst I meant one he had the least fun doing
Yeah so, when I did this run I took rock slide from rock tunnel. And I think that might have been really important I guess.
A trivialized basically every flying type. And it was pretty good damage against psychic types. I didn't even use Shadow Ball but I did pick up the TM to keep in my back pocket
I don't see Rock Slide on Meditite's Gen 3 move list
Your sure you weren't using Medicham?
@@Buddy26420 oh, yeah I let it evolve. I want doing an exact copy of this challenge. I figured that since medicham learned it, so did meditite did too. Weird that it's THAT different.
One of the earliest Taoist works is the I Ching, the Book of Changes. It is a Divination manual that has been used as an influence for a lot of in game mechanics, one of which is elemental type charts. Psychic beating Poison is probably an interpretation from that.
Meditite is one of those Pokémon I don't think I have ever used.
Never know if you boost attack OR boost defense with it.
I am with you on that, nothing turns me away from a pokemon quite like being able to 2 shot it with decent moves from a decent attacker and not even super effective, and then wild pokemon around it surviving better. Also taking almost no damage in return. Big no in my books
Oh, I thought you said that meditate was a move you never used before, not the pokemon.
"They never hit us in the water gym" *gets hit by Starmie*
Reasons why I love MDB: Random tangent about type advantages making no sense in the middle of a Pokemon challenge 🤣 Seriously though MandJTV has a video explaining all the type matchups that I may need to watch after this one
The fact that you didnt know that pure power is an op ability allready is a huge part of why i like your content. your just a guy that likes some pokemans
MDBAMA: your rules allow you to use held items, but I don't think you mention them in your videos much. Do you switch up held items during your runs, e.g. berries to combat predictable status conditions from some gyms, type-boosting items for particularly vital moves, or do you tend to keep them pretty consistent during the run?
Great video! I thought it was really interesting how Aerodactyl's move patterns changed. I wonder if it was because you had more speed or if it was because you had more hp.
12:32 I discovered this chanel when MandJTV did reaction to one of your challenges.
I then promptly went over your backlog and watched every single one of your Pokemon challenges, and I'm continuing to do so.
Yoooooo, I JUST did this yesterday! (Not planned)
Fighting Psychic is super good in Kanto. Mine was a modest nature though. It was... not optimal.
At least the Psychic is going to hit a little harder... 🥲
I haven’t slept. Saw a new mah-dry-bread video. Immediately watched video not caring about my sleep deprivation. Worth it.
MDBAMA
I hope you’re feeling well MDB! I was curious on whether or not you would attempt something Gen 6 or later and what your thoughts were on that? Maybe something like Honedge only? 🤔
4:00 poison is absorbed and mitigated by the ground, and as for psychic, a strong mind overcomes a toxic mind? i guess? yea. symbolism and things
MDBAMA: Aside from Pokemon, Elder Scrolls and Fallout, are there any other game franchises you've thought about doing challenge runs for?
I'm sure there have been other hard Pokemon Tower Rival fights, at some point in gamer history.
The reason that fight is seen as super easy is that you can't progress in the tower until you get the Silph Scope from Celadon City, so most players go there first, but the Rival's team is balanced around the player facing him as soon as they reach Lavender Town, which makes him a lot weaker.
Also, No Guard only comes with Gen 4, Machop line only has Guts in Gen 3. Lots of people have difficulty remembering the various changes between the generations.
This was an incredible video, though. Great effort on your part, particularly with getting past Lance. Hope you've let your nerves rest a bit.
I think the reason no one knew what ability Bruno's Machamp had is because normally it gets ko'd in one hit in normal playthroughs
No, it's because they're young and used to later games. No Guard literally doesn't exist in Generation 3; Guts was the Machop line's only ability this generation.
I tend to think that ground being good against poison is akin to charcoal biscuits and the like... The poison is like an upset stomach "damaging" you and some powder dirt will fix that... Kinda weird, but it lets me remember and kinda makes sense, which is often the best that you can hope for :)
I have some ideas for a challenge run;
Pokémon Platinum with only a Magby
Pokémon Platinum with only TM moves
Pokémon Platinum with only a Stunky
Pokémon Black with only gift Pokémon
Pokémon Black with only a Roggenrola
Pokémon Red with only TMs and HMs
Tip for future runs where you need to grind just outside the starting town, you can return to your house and talk to your Mom to have her heal your pokemon faster than a pokemon center will on top of being closer.
This applies to most games from what I remember.
Can you please do Lotad only 🙏
He did already, but he saw that lotad really sucks so he added in seedot for help
10:17 "was that the first hard rival fight....ever?"
And i literally just rewatched the Krilin video
I think it's possible that you could have beaten this at a lower level with +6 Calm Mind and Psychic. All about timing the setup. Moveset of Calm Mind, Psychic, Recover, and Brick Break.
He’s surprised by Pure Power, just wait until he sees Huge Power. XD
Thank you for your hard work. Looking forward to the HeartGold Munchlax, whenever it might be. Hope you enjoyed your meal.
Psychic in the Pokémon games is a manifestation of the mind (people are afraid of ghosts, bugs, and the dark). Poison can be cured by science, ie. the mind, ie. psychic types.
Maybe the reason Psychic is strong against Poison is because willpower can help overcome dire circumstances?
In medieval Europe, there was a popular form of poison cure called “terra sigilata”, or sealed earth. Essentially, it was a baked clay biscuit with a stamp on it that supposedly imbued it with anti-poison powers. They actually did work against an ingested poison if someone ate it soon after: much like activated charcoal today, the clay would absorb the posion in the stomach and let it pass through without absorbing into the bloodstream.
Okay, I'm no linguist, but Bulbapedia says the Japanese psychic type translates more accurately to "Esper," or "ESPer" I think, which is someone that has "extrasensory perception." I think the reasoning for psychic being strong against poison is that an ESPer would sense someone sneaky with a poisoned weapon coming after them or be able to perceive the poison in a poisoned food/drink item and thus be able to stop the poisoning before it happens.
Just look at Espeon: it’s not just the Psychic Eevee, it’s quite literally the ESP Eevee.
To answer your questions about poison types strengths and weaknesses:
Poison vs Ground. Sand filters are used to isolate and remove toxic substances from water.
Poison vs Psychic. A lot of people will say "Mind over Matter" though this is a bit misleading because psychic doesn't resist poison, it's just super effective against it. Still a good short hand though. That being said, the better explanation would probably be that psychics are able to detect and neutralize the poison before they have a chance to infect something.
Poison vs Normal. The true answer to this is likely just that GF wanted to have a type that was just general overall with basically no weaknesses and strengths. You could make an argument for basically every type having a reason for being super effective against Normal. For that reason, if you're weak to everything, you're weak to nothing except for stronger Normals (aka, Fighting) XD.
I have been summoned with questions about poison type matchups. I don't remember where I heard this but supposedly, psychic is strong against poison because the mind is stronger than what can affect the body. Poison is weak against ground because hazardous wastes (which make up part of the poison type) are buried underground to neutralize them (even though the ground itself isn't stopping them, they're put in sealed barrels).
To your type question:
Psychic types put up barriers and manipulate over distance, so it's obviously good against smog, acid etc.
Ground negates poison, it sucks it up and it slowly vanishes. Over the contamination course the ground can't grow plants.
The other type interactions that you mentioned aren't picked for balance reasons. It makes sense, that flying should also be strong against poison and weak against psychic, but they are really picky with their type balance. Don't overthink that part too much.
For the question about poison and psychic relation my best guess is that people can train to become immune to poison and you need the willpower to do so.
MDB: *Questioning the purpose of Poison*
Gamefreak: He's asking too many questions. Take him out.
I didn't expect this challenge to give me an existential chrisis about poison types, but here we are
Just subbed to celebrate your 420k subscribers! After watching Scott and Jrose for years, I think it's finally time I join the Dry Bread gang too just to complete the trifecta.
Please do a collab/race/something video with Scott's Thoughts someday if you're up for it! He's mentioned before that he'd be down for it I think.
I saw the whole psychic vs poison matchup like this. If you're going to get assassinated your killer might poison your food or something like that Hitman style but if you're a psychic you'd see it coming before it happens.
I love that mah dry bread and jrose have 0 beef amongst each other. Reason being, if you watch one of their videos then the other person gets recommended based on the algorithm. Everyone wins~
The reason is because I like him, not because our videos promote each other unintentionally
We'd be just as nice to each other if we did different genres
Psychic has a few theories: it can "foresee" the poison to avoid it, mind over body, psychic shield, or it "knows" how to detox it. Ground = charcoal, which is the original antidote to many poisons (I think there was an interview where they confirmed that).
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Psychic is good against Poison because of the "Mind over matter" idea: using mental fortitude and willpower to overcome being sick.
Go little Meditite, go!! Kick all the butt, hell yah!!!
I've also never heard of that ability before, and I did look it up, and it seems to be exclusive to the Meditite family. Neat! Good for them.
My theory with Psychic type being strong against Poison was because during conception, Psychic types possess mystic and curative powers. Most Pokémon that learned Recover were Psychic types (or evolve into one) in Gen I and II. And Rest is a Psychic type move as well. I kinda understand how Ground RESIST Poison, but I don't get how they hit them Super Effectively.
Seen a couple people answer but in regards to the type matchups:
Ground is strong against poison because sand/graphite filters can be used to remove toxins from water and even the human body. (Many accidental poison consumptions are treated with graphite pills that help to absorb and insulare the toxins so your body doesnt absorb them)
Psychic is strong against poison because of "mind over matter" philosophy. If i remember correctly a more literal translation of psychic type from the Japanese is "mystic" which is why its used for everything from ESP to Wizard themes (Alakazam vs Braixen). Aesetic Hermits and Darmas were said to be able to cure and filter poisons from their body simply by being so intune with their own body they could choose not to digest or absorb them.
MandJ does a pretty good job explaining every type in one of his videos.
One day he will tell us what fossil he chose. Until then, I’ll continue to ask what fossil he chose.
MDBAMA: do you prefer the weird pokemon challenges (only x type, only one pokemon, etc) or the weird move challenges (only starting moves, only HMs, etc)? is one usually easier than the other?
love your videos btw! your voice is honestly kind of soothing and sometimes i use your pokemon playlist to go to sleep lol. not sure if that'll be received as a compliment or an insult but i promise i mean it as a compliment!!!
My take on the „psychic/poison“ thing was the idea of overcoming a poison or disease with sheer will power. That kind of thing.
In „Dungeons and Dragons“, monks get resistances to poison eventually, because their extreme mindfulness allows them to just overcome this kind of stuff through their strong will.
I think that‘s kinda the justification.
The explanation of psychic and poison interaction is that with knowledge and study (which are the characteristics of psychic type) you can discover antidotes to poisons
2:56 I think of it as sort of the same reason that Psychic is strong against Fighting (brains over brawn). If you take Psychic to be the "smart" type, then Psychic-types would have more knowledge than most Pokemon about what something should or shouldn't smell or taste like, so they would be more able to detect poison in their surroundings or food. Also, Psychic-types can mostly read minds, so they would be able to spot someone thinking of poisoning them from a mile away.
It's funny you mention that about poison. In Temtem, poison is super effective against water types due to the contamination reason. That is an interesting question though. I like Hazama's explanation on it. They say "mind over matter". Now, when I think of Psychic, I think of normal people in real life with abilities like reading minds, seeing into the future and being able to commune with ghosts. This is to explain why dark and ghost are super effective to them. I can't forget about bug though. Maybe they're weak to parasites?
My theory when it comes to ground being strong against poison is what elderly people said to you when you got a cut/ infection, “ just rub some dirt into it”.
My theory about psychic vs poison is that psychic also stands for mind and knowledge. Knowledge helps to get an antidote for poison
This man forgot ghost is physical in gen 3 and smashed his head against various psychic types when he coulda had Shadow ball the ENTIRE time, only slotting it onto his moveset by Lorelie and even THEN not noticing the damage bump till Agatha...never change bread man
I always thought that Psychic and Poison interacted the way they did because of the whole "Mind over body" thing. Allowing you to neutralize the poison when it enters your body by sheer force of will.
@3:15 I believe that the logic behind "Psychic beats Poison" is that Psychic is the power of the mind, and stories of things like the placebo effect reducing the detriments of minor poisonings. Either that, or it's supposed to be that the Psychic Power manipulates the poison in the Poison Type's body to attack themselves, which is also reasonable.
I have always been curious how many trys those fights take. How about you Just add a Counter to the top right were we see how many trys Ur in ? I think That would be awesome!
Keep it up always Love Ur videos on saturday!
You mentioned about Bruno's Machamp having the No Guard ability. In Generation 3, it only has the Guts ability. Gen 4 and onward, Machamp can get the No Guard ability, Guts ability, and it's hidden ability, Steadfast.
I have thought about Poison being super effective against Normal type way more than it's healthy, and I'm glad someone else had the same crisis.
I always thought about ground being super effective against poison in a "rub some dirt in it" sense.
20:30 Machap's ability in this generation is Guts. No Guard isn't an ability until Sword/Shield
I have been watching these for so long, every single episode, that last week I actually had to stop and think of the name Gyrados. I wanted to say Water Onix. It literally took me almost half a minute to remember the name Gyrados.
So video is not over yet, I might complain too early but: How did you not get Return far earlier and have a hard hitting physical attack that is not fighting type?!? You never forget to get the Return TM... This could have made fights like Rival fival waaay easier
Edit: also all the other rival fights after that and maybe even Lance?
Anyway, as always a great video and I really enjoy watching your content!
For Psychic > Poison, I've always thought it was because scientists (so smart people) come up with antidotes and medicine and stuff.
In hindsight, you may have wanted to use the moves Brick Break, (Or high jump kick with wide lens), Shadow Ball, Meditate, and Recover. The limiting factor to this move set would’ve been an opponent you could set up against, and while tough, you probably could have set up against lances Gyrados earlier using this method.
That does remove the psychic against Agatha, so I’m not sure how effective shadow ball would’ve been against Arbok and Golbat, but it would still have likely worked in your favor.
Still, you won regardless. Congrats.
1. Shadow Ball is a Physical Attack in Gen III, so that means you could have basically used it to rip through the Alakazam every time you face it once you get it in Celadon City. Buggy early games were buggy lol
2. Psychic beats Poison I believe because it takes great cleverness to outwit and heal or will out a Poison, hence why a Psychic type could easily overwhelm it. No idea why Ground does though, lol
Someone’s actually made a video explaining why types are effective or not very, and it’s pretty cool.
Psychic is super effective against poison because it's mind over matter. Just like with fighting is Brains beats brawn.
Ah man this "what is poison in pokémon canon?" Talk brings me back to Lockstin's explaining every single move in existence series xd
Man I had forgotten about that channel.
I don't even see him on twitter anymore.
Hey MDB, great Challenge again.
I have two ideas for some challenges. How about a Vulpix only run, this one in gen 4. It can learn some decent moves and fire is decently strong in Sinnoh. I think, you might get an interesting run out of it. The second one would be an Eeveelution run. Not to hard i guess, but you need some easier runs from time to time as well. If you want a harder one, you should go for gen 2. You get at maximum 5 and in crystal you should be able to evolve all before the league. The easiest should be gen 4 in Sinnoh. You can get 7 in total with a wide variety.
I think the psychic thing makes sense as poison has to touch you to hurt you, so psychic lets you attack without being hit which is good
From my understanding, Ground is Super Effective against Poison because clay can be used to neutralize poisons.
Pure Power/Huge Power definitely are great abilities, but to get the most out of them, you have to intentionally EV-train in Attack, and you probably want to also reset for good Attack IVs. What makes the ability so broken is that it doubles not just your base Attack stat, but also all the extra points in Attack that you get from EVs and IVs.
And yeah, Bruno's Machamp doesn't have No Guard... because No Guard was introduced in Gen 4.
As a poison type fanatic, I can tell you that Psychic being good against poison is because they interpret Psychic as a “mind” type and it’s like meditating/having a healthy and strong mind can dampen a poison in your body. It’s kinda weird to explain, but that’s how I’d explain it. Also poison should 100% be good against Normal and Water, the type needs the buff
My Explanation to Poison and its weaknesses would be that Poison is based on a Poisoned drink or food
A psychic could detect the poison with some kind of futuresight or dangersense and spilling the drink on the ground would also make the poison disapear
Lol all this time and I just realized the guy blocking your path to Saffron City just wanted to spill the tea (gossip) kinda like schmoozing someone to distract and get past them 😂😂
One theory about psychic being super effective to poison. Is that being a psychic you have to clear your mind, which poison can be intrusive thoughts, something to muddy the mind.
The bit describing Pure Power makes me love how vague some of the gen3 abilities are. My favorite is still Guts saying "Ups attack if suffering." I thought it was useless as a kid because I had no idea what the game qualified as "suffering." Like was my Pokémon supposed to be low HP? Was it supposed to hate me?
i always figured psychic was strong against poison because of the whole fantasy book trope of having a riddle that if you get wrong you drink poison but if your smart you get through the riddle alive....or at least that is what my friends and i came up with when we were younger
I always assumed psychic representing the mind, hence why things people are scared of are super effective (ghosts, the dark, bugs) meanwhile it is strong against poison because the mind is what finds cures to poisons and diseases, it is also strong against fighting because brain > brawn and that sort of thing.