‘Historic hurt’ is a modern phrase. Muslims were integral to South Indian gods
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- Politicians and social media claim that Hindus and Muslims have always had animosities - but does history support this at all? Anirudh Kanisetti explains that especially in South India, Hindus and Muslims frequently worshipped the same deities and shared many religious beliefs and traditions.
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Hiltebeitel, Alf. Criminal gods and demon devotees: essays on the guardians of popular Hinduism. SUNY Press, 1989.
Hiltebeitel, Alf. The Cult of Draupadī: Mythologies: from Gingee to Kurukṣetra. Vol. 1. Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, 1991.
Kent, Eliza F., and Tazim R. Kassam, eds. Lines in water: religious boundaries in South Asia. Syracuse University Press, 2013.
Pillai, Manu S. "A Muslim princess in a temple." Mint Lounge. March 30, 2018. lifestyle.livemint.com/news/t...
Teja, Charan. "How the Sufi Dargah culture is an embodiment of communal harmony in Telangana." The NewsMinute. January 22, 2021. www.thenewsminute.com/article...
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Inscriptions cited:
Epigraphia IndoMoslemica 1921-22, 20.
Epigraphia Carnatica, Volume 5, Hassan District no. 53.
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Further reading:
Gilmartin, David, and Bruce B. Lawrence. "Beyond Turk and Hindu: Rethinking Religious Identities in Islamic South Asia." Gainesville: University Press of Florida (2000).
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Many Muslim communities that you had mentioned such as the Teli were converted from Hindus, so it's not surprising that in the earlier days they had incorporated Hindu customs, this applies for most Muslim communities that had converted, I don't know if they were "Integeral" but these rituals, and Orals myths were certainly added later as members of these communities converted to Islam but still had cultural ties to their Hindu roots, The Sabarimala case most probably originated as a way to curb religious tension, they also visit a church I think, it's not hard to see since there are so many local customs and traditions in India that some local village can add these kind of practices later.
Where it is written that they were muslim. till 1970 in mewat the so called muslim used to keep Janeu and Tilak they just keep muslim name so to avoid jizya
Did Kerala minorities vote in 1945-46 to congress or to league ? Did these people participate in 1920 Mopala massacre.
South India as a whole except for north Karnataka and telangana region has never been under muslim rule substantially. I think there was the nawab of arcots period in north Tamil Nadu and the Haider Ali tipu sultan decades in Mysore. But these were brief compared to the centuries of islamic rule of the north. South India was more substantially under British control for a longer period of time so Christianity flourished more than Islam.
Really!? Where is the Nijam kingdom?
that is not the case Mr.Appu,Madras presidency was ruled wholly by Nawab of Arcot from whom East india company took control of the region in 1680s after which the descendants of Nawab were kept as dummies
What you are saying is true about Tamil Nadu, south Kerala.
Whole South India was under Muslim kings' rule for much of the time. Madurai sultanate, Deccan sultanates and others....similarly in North India much of the time was under Hindu kings. Even when Muslim emperors ruled as overlords, the local Hindu kings didn't go away.
@@grapeshottnah. Madurai sultanate was quickly conquered by vijayangar, the former was highly shortlived and destructive. After vijayanagar, there was the period of the poligar chieftains ruling (madurai) and then it was split into several hindu chieftains and maratha possessions in Thanjavur. And the Mysore sultans were shortlived usurpers who were overthrown and its original hindu rulers were restored to the throne. Kerala was fully under Hindu kings.
The difference lies in the way Islam was introduced in Southern India vs. Northern India. The former was introduced to Islam in a gradual, peaceful way by Arab merchants. As opposed to North where it spread after the Turkic conquests and later Mughals with war and demolition of Temples, Stupas and Universities. This creates division in the way Hindu-Muslim relations are seen.
Whatever way it's introduced, Islam and it's impact is same in long term.
Heard of Mappila riot in Kerala?
If you are not aware of history, then just keep quiet. Visit Sri Rangam, Badrachalam, and many other temples in south. You will learn how these Muslims destroyed our temples. Go ask why there are two Idoles of goddess in Sri Rangam, go check why Kanchi Varadarajar temple main diety was kept in temple pond, Go see the museum in Badhrachalam temple. These peacful people have done the same to us in South like what they have done in North
@@bullrideryamaraja5944- heard of the numerous hindu riots everywhere?
The statement that Islam was introduced to South India in a gradual and peaceful way by Arab merchants, while it was introduced to North India through war and conquest by Turkic and Mughal rulers is a gross oversimplification. In North India, Islam was indeed introduced through conquests, but it's essential to note that not all interactions were solely violent, and peaceful interactions with local populations also occurred. Similarly, in Southern India, while some aspects of Islam were introduced peacefully by Arab merchants, there were also instances of conflicts and conquests during the spread of the religion. The historical context of Islam's introduction is multi-faceted, and it's important to consider the diverse interactions that shaped Hindu-Muslim relations in both regions.
Temples and universities back then were also political and financial institutions, attacks on them were political and were not an attack on religion.
@parvadhami980 How stupid this logic is.
Real reason is... Maratha became a shield that protected Southen part from massive destruction that happened in the north. Marathas also stopped further destruction in the north.
typical media article. In India, generally, every type of belief system was accommodated. It's a different story what other belief systems did around the globe. May be author can convince those opposing Varanasi gyanvapi survey to cooperate and let the original worshippers pray at the site
100s of temples in south were also attacked by these peaceful community. Madhuri temple was attacked and they kept on pulling down temple towers for 8 days. Go see Badrachalam temple museum to understand the attacks of this people on Hindu temple
Temples in ancient times were not just places of worship, but also financial institutions and symbols of political legitimacy to local rulers. They were often attacked to loot their wealth and weaken the enemy's morale. However, not all temples were attacked; only those that were seen as marks of legitimacy to the local rulers were targeted. These attacks were not necessarily attacks on the religion itself, but rather political moves.
Even Chanakya, the chief advisor to the Mauryan emperor Chandragupta Maurya, justified attacks on temples as a political move. He argued that it would demoralize the enemy and weaken their resolve to fight. He also believed that it would send a message to other kingdoms that the Mauryan empire was not to be trifled with.
It is important to note that not only Islamic rulers attacked temples in ancient India. Shivite, Jain, and Hindu kings also did so for the same political reasons.
Exactly so it was done for money, political reasons and religious reasons as well. In Islam, idol worship is a sin after all
@@sauravsuresh6388 where chanakya mention that can u give reference second there r in total three instance where hindus attack other temple and in all cases they took moorti to their temple not to desecret it. Don't say false propaganda of romilla thapar
@@dheerajpimoli9539just because you can't agree with it, it doesn't become propaganda. If I'm wrong, confront me with facts.
@@dheerajpimoli9539In his treatise on statecraft, the Arthashastra, Chanakya wrote:
"If a king attacks the enemy's temples, he will destroy their faith and make them lose heart. He will also weaken their resolve to fight, as they will be afraid of losing their gods' blessings. This will make it easier for the king to defeat the enemy."
Thank you for this video, when Western Europe converted to Christianity , they followed their previous belief system alongside. This practice came to an end, when more powerful figure heads/ religious leaders prevented this practice with Law, and lead to the loss of local temples. This feels very similar, having free belief in different faiths (typical of polytheism). Eventually May stop if religions head / laws prevent it.
Europeans stopped celebrating pagan customs, they still celebrate yule tide a pagan Germanic festival they just call it Christmas now, similarly they celebrate Easter with the bunny and all this to is pagan germanic custom
Please also make a detailed video on how Islam and christianity made its entry into both Northern and Southern part of India maybe then people will know why there is huge difference in Integration of Muslims in both parts.
its a good joke ,fellas belonging to south i wish you guys the best trying this dangerous experiment where you indulge in so much equality that you lose your identity in the process.
Exactly islam strictly forbids idol worshipping these secularist are fools
Islam introduced in iran, Zoroastrian changed their religion but their name remains Zoroastrian same goes to turks and many others but in India?? They not only changed their name religion but culture dress and everything. Narrow minded people.
These are only few who hold on their previous religions culture they will also adopt Arabic form in due course of time there is movement going on in India. Ask Muslim their grandmother never worse burka and detailed hijab in fact if you see old pic you see them in saree but now all changed its all about time.
This will also change.
I have same question. what changed them as too radical.
Islam was introduced in Iran by Sword and blood (forced conversion).
Why @kanisetty is taking history of Muslims taking part in Hindus temple festivals etc...Our very own Politicians wear skeleton cap/visit mosque.... will the distance future praise these idiots for communal harmony or pure politics.
If the answer is Politics, so is this video.
Kanisetty is at it again. These are examples of Indians providing accomodation to other faiths, a one sided love affair.
We are not projecting our "current anxiety" into the past, we are learning from our history that there are two faiths that largely refused to accomodate us in moments where our numbers or our politics were not strong enough. The politics of today isnt centralisation, its consolidation.
What was the source of research for the people's words reference you have provided how did they arrive at this. I was particularly curious to know about Draupadi bodyguard I guess you mentioned
First some Cambridge Historian writes conjectures due to his/her limited understanding of Indian languages,failing to get nuances rights from local folklore & then Non Thinking Indian Historians like kaneshetti quote them as if it is some kinda indisputable fact …Utterly Non sensical reading of History …..and @3:48 1703 inscriptions?! Really ?! I mean do u really want the thousands of years of oral and folklore tradition of Khandoba be deduced from modern British India’s vista ?!
You cannot use the term Muslim with out specifying their sects when narrating these folklores. Salafism, Bairalvis, Ahl-e-hadis, Shias, Ismailis etc have different belief system. Each one interprets their scriptures differently and in some cases the Hadits they follow r different too. Which particular school of thought gave them space to follow local practices?
Whenever they use muslim they never mention just because some of us used some Persian Arabic name to accommodate others does not make them muslim. Hindus still go to mazar and dargah but that doesn't change the fact that muslim destroyed temple for which they have written extensively and bombastically and our ancestors like is today were still going for appeasement. These people who are devotee of our God are not muslim we pray to multiple deity they don't because if they do it then they stop being muslim
@@dheerajpimoli9539 Devil lies in the details. Ask him name the sect. He never mentions anything about Deobandi movement, Bairalvi school of thought, Fatwa e Almgiri. Even if we assume that there were inter religious exchanges in the past even then things have changed on that side; Arab-isation of their faith happened a long back. However, I feel that mutual respect can be developed between the two communities through Dialogs
@@FreddieMurphy746 these sects are like covid variants with one interpretation less harmful than other.
Doesn't matter, the country just refers to Muslims so thats fine.
@@desistarktm7270 I don't see it that way. See, they have the right to propagate their faith and you should have a good enough reason to stick to ur faith. They are concentrated and their vote matters when it comes to the power equation. Why is it that you and me fail to create that impact? The squeaky wheel gets the grease, or the Indian version of it " only the crying baby gets the milk"
J Sai Deepak calls this behaviour as residue of Hinduism in converts. In few generations the residue disappears and in 1900s they vote for separate state in majority.
Exactly. These Muslims are outcasts of their own religion. Hindus considers them as Muslims but the Muslim themselves don’t consider them.
Only tiny few were even allowed to vote
Yes it is the Ganga Jamuna Tazeb
We have to correct our past mistakes. Those days our ancestors didn't care to learn Arabic and understand Quran, the Islamic theology.
So they judged Islam by assuming it to be similar to what their belief system is. They tried to be as inclusive as possible. But today with Quran translation we know clearly that peaceful coexistence with Muslims are not sustainable over few decades if demography is tilted in favour of Muslims. So we should curb the attempts of domination of Islamic ideology as much as possible.
Well said.
South India god's?😂
You should make a video on wherever Muslims installed Hindu gods in mosques
Please keep those books around you with Titles visible so that interested people may buy.
What is his name and some introduction of him, if possible
Hindus goto Shrines
Muslim have Hindu Gods in their cultures ?
There are many temples in South India where non-Hindus can't even enter. These rules weren't made 9 years back, they are existing from the time of Mughals. Even in Tirupati, muslim king wanted to capture the shrine and make it a mosque but he couldn't cross seven hills to reach the shrine. There is a local deity worship in Kerala called theiyyam where the deiry attacks the one dressed up as muslim invader, and its believed to be a true story. In North, there is no temple that bans non-Hindus but in South there are many, back then it was to protect from invaders & now to maintain purity & keep disbelievers away.
So stop this nonsense that muslims had some contribution to our South Indian temples, they always wanted to capture & convert our Temples into mosques.
Note - There is only one instance where a Non-Hindu was allowed to worship in a restricted temple, that is Guruvayur Krishna Temple in Kerala. The person who was allowed was the great singer KJ Yesudas, a Christian by birth & Hindu by lifestyle (he didn't convert to Hinduism)
Bharat predominantly practicing Sanatana dharma was always a plural society always accommodating all sorts of people, communities. So your examples are not a great revelation and not anything new. It only gets problematic when non-native communities or so called minorities start changing demographics gradually and go on a missionary mode. For eg: Malappuram in Kerala is a standing live example of demographic change. Another fact I would like to point - all the money that gets collected at Vaavar temple in Sabarimala belongs to the Muslim board which is used only for Muslims, whereas the money collected at main shrine of Ayyappa goes to the Government's Devaswom Board. Thats the unfair story of integration for you!
Truth in isolation and Facts as a whole are very different things. The destruction of temples and the atrocities of Muslim invaders are INDISPUTABLE FACTS. It also happened in Persia and other countries along the same lines as the Crusades. That said, CONFLICTS of the past should NOT INTERFERE with the RECOURSE of the FUTURE. A modern India should be ruled by JUST LAWS and FREE SPEECH/DIAGLOGUES without the fear of reprisal.
Pragmatic view.
Invasion was norm in medieval world
_Hindus of South India simply found more creative ways to reconcile and negotiate the muslim occupation via the deccan sultanates by incorporating muslim characters in to their myths. It was the way Hindus reconciled and healed and those myths therefore does not either take away the truth or hurt of iconoclasm that the Hindus were subjected to.
The title this boy has chosen is an insult to all our ancestors who have suffered unimaginable cruelty under the sword of Islam, shameful!
True
This vavar story is all cooked up as ayyapa is way older than Islam. The whole video is a futile attempt at showing they are peaceful both lives in harmony and lowercaste were supporting them and have good relations etc etc.... ignoring tyrant muslim kings and their crimes you also ignore that most victims of these tyrant rulers are lower castes. And trying to diminish their acts of temple destruction as occasional destruction... Lol what a joke when it is clear that they destroyed thousands and thousands of temples and you call that occasional...
No one claims that the story of Vavar Swamy is real. These myths should be approached in the historical context, and based on that, it is trying to communicate the relationship that Islam had with local cultures. Islam had a major presence in Kerala way back during Prophet Muhammad's lifetime.
The claim that the video is a futile attempt at showing that Muslims and Hindus lived in harmony is also false. The video does not deny that there were instances of conflict between Muslims and Hindus, but it does argue that these instances were the exception rather than the rule. In fact, the video provides evidence to suggest that Muslims and Hindus often coexisted peacefully and even collaborated on projects.
The claim that the video ignores the crimes of Muslim rulers is also false. The video does mention the destruction of temples by Muslim rulers, but it argues that this was not the norm. In fact, the video points out that many Muslim rulers were patrons of Hindu temples and that they often protected Hindus from persecution.
The claim that the video tries to diminish the destruction of temples by Muslim rulers as "occasional" is also false. The video does not deny that the destruction of temples was a serious problem, but it argues that it was not as widespread as some people believe. In fact, the video points out that many temples were spared by Muslim rulers, and that some Muslim rulers even built new temples.
If temples were destroyed, it was because of political reasons, not necessarily an attack on religion. Even Hindu kings attacked temples.
@@sauravsuresh6388 can u provide source man u just copying the argument of narrator in video first of all people having Persian name doesn't make them muslim there is a point of becoming muslim if muslim does idol worship then it is greatest sin
@@dheerajpimoli9539 Our arguments match, but that doesn't mean I'm blindly copying him. Being a history buff I'm well aware of this topic even before I watched this video. You keep asking for sources. Will you believe me if I give you the source? It's as if you've believed Hindu nationalist narratives just because you've verified the sources.
If you're really serious about the sources then you've to check the archives. But it's not over there. You need to analyse the archives, and understand the nuances and complexities.
@@sauravsuresh6388 well I am taking position from source alberuni travel accounts and many traveller's account from that time. these has been given in 'india by its own historian' by elliot and dowson every where the norm same leaving small instances like dara sikho and others
Pure History, nothing else: South Indian culture and it's belief systems (god) were present for several millennium (at least 3k years). The imported religion Islam was never an integral part of South Indian culture. Couple of centuries ago ,They came as invaders, plunderers and imposed this alien religion among Indian. This is how Islam became Integral part of India. (History of Kerala Arab is a different story)
An Indian is an Indian is an Indian, regardless of what caste or religion he/she is. And people who have lived there for hundreds of years cannot be called invaders. Sunak is first generation British yet no one questions that he is British. Otherising people because of religion or caste is a dangerous game played by Politicians who only have their own interests at heart.
"Islamic invasion" was first coined by the British colonial historians and orientalists during the 19th and early 20th centuries. They viewed the arrival of Muslim rulers in India as a foreign and violent intrusion that disrupted the indigenous Hindu civilization. This narrative was used to justify British colonialism as a civilizing force that rescued India from Muslim tyranny.
It is important to note that this narrative is based on a Eurocentric view of history and does not take into account the multi- layered and diverse nature of Indian history and culture. Many modern scholars reject this view and instead emphasize the syncretic nature of Indian society, in which different religious and cultural traditions have coexisted and influenced each other over time.
@@sauravsuresh6388 that makes a lot of sense. After all the Muslims settled and lived in India and became indigenous. Most North Indians will have dna from all over! The British, with their puppets, both Hindu and Muslim, created fault lines as they have everywhere they ruled. Poisoning the waters!
Thank you ! 🥹
Imagine muslim communities in the 70s and 80s, and look at muslim communities today. Do you see a difference? Why? That would answer your question regarding the new found animosity.
It is not that Muslim rulers were accommodating the local Hindu population, it is the forcefully converted Hindus who were holding on to their traditions that created these type of relationships which I think was a great thing. But painting it as Muslim rulers benevolence that so what I call silly and naive and probably a left ideology.
Improved relationships between Hindu Muslim and any other population in India should be celebrated but not by painting one as the force of good and another as a force of evil.
Past mistakes which were made has to be recognized and if possible corrected to an extent which is not diverting us as a nation from the path of progress. That will only bring last longing peace.
I agree with some part of your argument but most of them converted to escape caste based violence. Being tolerant to other religions gives us peace and time to focus on human development indices that are very important for a nation to grow.
every video you claim that you love to hear opinions, yet you dont respond...
Q1. Were muslims integral to all South Indian Deities or are there few specific cases of muslims being involved in the folklore of specific Deities?
Q2. Are there any Deities in South India who have no muslim or islamic influence - how numerous are they compared to the Deities mentioned in this video?
Q3. Does modern "historic hurt" refer to hindus accusing muslims for any sins committed by the ancestors of one on the ancestors of another or does it take the shape of modern hindus criticising the driving force of fanatical intolerant violence - i.e. islam - the same way that anti - caste activists and political movements target various aspects of Hindu literature and history?
Q4. Is this video like most other of kanisettis videos anything but cherrypicking to construct a narrative and project an image of sophistication in the process of doing so?
Q5. Do modern hindus claim that muslims are irredeemable by virtue of being muslims and are condemned to eternal hellfire or is it the other way around?
Q6. Is this complicated relationship between muslims and hindus in medieval India one sided or a relationshipbwhere one sided accomodation happenned?
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Great piece
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History is there you simply are telling the same story that is written in ncert books with different way.
Yet here we are
Goodmrg bro iam frm ap. Bibi nacharamma wasnt his wife but his devotee . Telugu ppl have grt clarity on this. Hope u too get some.
Two points one it’s easy to blame the nationalist but the advent of wahabi culture is what made the nationalists choose the path, secondly most of the rituals and practices you mentioned were followed because they were recent converts those practices died over a period of time and more stringent Islam creeped into the society. Anecdotally see the women wearing burka in India I didn’t see so many growing wearing burka nowadays even kids are wearing it as an identity
After 1938 the sharia was forcibly imposed on Indian Muslim which not there for a millenia
Muslim never worship/respect Hindu Gods ?
Do they do pooja of Hindu God ?
Only Hindu go to Shrines
th-cam.com/video/fANrxXOwxzo/w-d-xo.html. Don't get a narrow opinion on South. It's lot complex than you think.
@@tyrionlannister6847 Tipu forced Persian on South,
Mopla Riots ,
Temple destruction also happened in south
@@aemssw2387So??
@@tyrionlannister6847So what? Does it prove that Muslims worship Hindu Gods? 😂
@@dhruvtyagi7351 I just gave you one example there. Once search about "Doodekula" in Google. We will get to know about some complex social ties of Hindus and Muslims in South India. Don't be ignorant and thinking that your Hindi belt is whole india.
Taking some poems and prayers and extrapolating this into historical evidence is incorrect. We have Gandhi spreading raghupati raghava raja ram, Allah ishwar tere naam. In this song, all Hindus think Ishwar is bigger than Allah in the hierarchy and the reverse for a Muslim.
Other than Gandhi, many accept different beliefs and pray in mosques.
In the same way, Sai Baba devotees sing alla tum ho and yesu tu mu ho,
how many of them go to other religious places and pray? This is a wrong argument.
Everything that is stated in this video is accurate. India is a complex society and like a Rubik's cube with multiple additional layers. However, history has not been something that we Indians use to validate our emotions. I am sure while peasant farmers prayed to Bibi Nancharamma, they also harbored hate for the Bahmani Sultans and fought wars with Muslim armies. This is a sociological dynamic and cannot be simplified into the 'why' question you posed at the end of the episode.
First and most lie which he propound here did all these names he gave were really muslim did anywhere it is said that they were muslim now if u r devotee of a certain deity then u are not muslim and u can ask this from any muslim . If u attach any god with allah is known as the greatest sin according to every authentic sources of islam so this claim that they were muslim is totally false most of these people were converted forcibly or by coercion but they still venerated local deity so they mixed some islamic ritual to our. heck normal hindu also go to mazar so that makes them muslim. Hindus should not fall for this trap because normal muslim don't do that now and beware of this propaganda because u may agree on but not other side. And when these temple were desecreted these so called muslim were not stopping it.
We’re Hindus integral to any Mosques?
When you say that elite Hindu TEMPLES and institutions were attacked and not all hindus held grudge against muslims shows that you don't understand the importance of Ayodhya, Kashi and Mathura to this civilisation and culture. Now replace these places with Mecca and Medina and you will understand the gravity of the statement you made. Unfortunately that is the only analogy you understand because you are so blindfolded by being in an ecosystem.
Dude...so much info to bombarded in this video....little overwhelming...😅 really Appreciate your work and great social message at the end
An interesting story on the peaceful coexistence of Hindus and Muslims.
Shivaji's grandfather, Maloji, did not have children for a long time. He then went to pray at the grave of a Sufi saint, Shah Sharif. Soon after, his sons Shahaji and Sharifji were born. Both were named after the saint.
So Shivaji is the name of the Muslim saint? Give me the reference
Love your way of anchoring.interesting info.❤
1) The idea that Vavar swami was a muslim as we see muslims today is inaccurate. Lavar may have simply belonged to a community which was associated with Islam. He may have been a devotee of Ayyappa and that may have worked in a medieval society where Islam was not as organized as it had become starting 200 years ago int he subcontinent. I can bet money the shrine of Vavar swami was till a couple centuries a modest structure in accordance with Keralite Architecture much like a samadhi as opposed to a monstrous structure we see today built in the persiante style today. He may have been most likely a mappila by Jati associated with Islam but not muslim in belief as we know today.
2) Again Bibi Nachyar was born into the muslim community as was her identity. But her muslimness remains only to the extent that she was born muslim, she upon becoming a devotee of Venkateshwara becomes Vaishnava. Muslim by Jati but Vaishnava.
3) The emergence of Mallan, Mailara and khandoba can be summarized by the merging of the Saura treadition which was popular in the Deccan with the Shaiva.The deities Sanskrit name id Marthanda Bhairava, Martha being the Sun. Bhairava worship is not uncommon as the Deccan was one of the historical centres of the western Tantric tradition.
4) Muharram celebrations or peerula pandaga can be attributed to the Qutub Shahis who were a music dynasty. The festival was not entirely a religious one but was made a national festival for the kingdom. The rituals performed for Muharram in the Telugu states are similar to grama devatas (village deities) as opposed to Muharram celebrations in Lucknow.
5)"Muslim Occupational Groups" were not migrants but rather groups of indigenous people who converted under duress or under the influence of religious leaders, or for economic and political reasons. They still existed in these communities, even if they came from afar they still belonged to local communities. They may have been muslim y name but their religious practices may well have been heretical in accordance with Islam as religious authorities saw it.
6) What you said about "grievances that our ancestor hold" is key. In the past the common muslim suffered as Hindu when an invasion took place. Abdali reduced the city of Lahore to the ground butchering its inhabitants hindus and muslims alike. But modern day Pakistan holds abdali to great esteem in naming their missiles after him. The identity of the Indian muslim has changed drastically over the last 200 years. Most syncretic worship which muslim were a part of 200 years ago, exist no longer. The madrasa educated Indian muslim over the last 200 years does not see himself as the victim alongside the hindu but identifies himself with the conqueror.
7) Your lectures are required in Madrasas but likely you will not be liked. And the muslims you speak of in this video will be considered heretics.
Am amazing young clear thinking historian who bases his views on research.
Make a video about Hindu & Muslim Gujar tribe
Please see how abrahamic religions convert other religions and cultures through different tactics , so u are only a naive guy who thinks that abrahamic religions are really tolerant towards others , for instance see what their top influencers or priests say for instance zakir naik or what their religious scriptures say and how strict they are in following scriptures ...
To keep it simple southern India people are never divided by religion terms.. it was caste based division unfortunately still exists.. but when it comes to religion people share mutual respect to their religion practices and their gods.
It’s not that south wasn’t divided, these customs originated as they were recent converts and also with the advent of wasabism this got complicated
Yeah thts bec south indian muslims are the recent forcefull converts.nd thy still visit their ancestoral god once in a year for the same reason.its an unforgivable sin in the eyes of allah if muslim participates in religious ceremonies of other religions, let alone worship other god.
Content is good, the mastery of language is also very good, but the style of speaking should be improved! Slowing down will help listeners understand better!😢
What content is good in it
Distortians can only talk good English
Man, being a law student I'm always wanting to create content like this. This stuck to me first time when I saw few muslim women in burka waiting in queue line along side us for the darshan for Sri Venkateshwara swamy in Tirupati. Also since childhood we used to occasionally visit dargah near by our house and offer prayers in our way by breaking coconut and also visit Jahangir Peer Dargah(JP Dargah in Telangana) to offer chadaar at the shrine. Just the magic things which we Indians do, where few fellow Indians dont get it. They are stuck at defining what India means rather just look through what we have lived through already. No family law like Hindu scriptures, Shariat law, Quran, bible can define such phenomenon.
Only polytheistic religions accept all other faiths. Anyone's ancestors who converted 3 generations ago, you will NOT see them in temples, unless they committed to the God or are directly involved with the temple.
I don't want to sound that I am talking ill about monotheistic religions. But their religion itself stands on the principle of conversion and denigrating other faith, which makes sense as the religion you follow is always superior.
Even science is a religion. If you go and talk spirituality which doesn't follow the logic of science, you are going to be called superstitious.
Acceptance is beautiful but that doesn't mean I should accept my destruction too.
Anything which promotes intellectual or physical terrorism should NOT be allowed.
You are an idiiot if you believe they are Muslims. These people are not treated as Muslims by their own community and often live as outcasts. They intermarry within their group and neither Muslims or Hindus trust them.
This kanisetti is the new age distortian in the mould of romila thapar and wendy doniger.
I wonder why this otherwise learned Historian always choses topics that sort of tries to tell people that we should all accept and forget what happened in the past.
An attempt to decrease the hate but ends up back firing
@@pulipakasrikiran9307 it backfires because they're angered when confronted with truth
It's a sign of their own insecurity
@@sauravsuresh6388 To be fair he is cherry picking im from the south and these are some cases. There is a lot of hindu muslim divide here as well but caste takes priority most of the time.
He is a distortian on the mould of romila thapar.
@@sauravsuresh6388 Try confronting Muslims with the truth and see if they too display their insecurity in ways they know best or encourage you to do more or not.
Super analysis, needed in the current environment
In islam Biggest sin is idol worship.any person who believe or worship idol as a God he is not Muslim.islamic principal is there is only one God who is created the universe he is ALLAH.
Great work 👍👍
Are you whitewashing the malik kafur invasion which destroyed Srirangam Madurai meenakshi temple and chidambaram
Print plants this article right when Muslims are rioting in mewat of Haryana. Understand the agenda.
You guilt the North Indian Hindus at the same time lull the South Indians to sleep against Islamic fascism.
South Indian Gods? 😡😡😡😡
ये अपनी ही बीन बजाता रहता है | Poor boy doesn't even know that his genre of history is out of currency now. I just came here to drop this comment not really to listen to his smug narration. All my money to Print is going to waste. Its like they don't read the comment section at all.
History is based on evidence and facts. There is no genre.
@@sairadha674 I know. Tell that to Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib's of the world who actually created this genre to build a narrative. This genre gave us wrong heroes, sweetened version of 600 years of slavery and total dissociation from our roots
Good but still Islam and Christianity are increasing in south india so are u trying to say that religious tolerance will one day annihilate all sanatan population, and what is wrong in spreading one religion and converting people of abrahamic religions into sanatan Buddhism Jainism or Sikhism
How C one can be
It means People are leaving islam.
#ExMuslim
though it also true that people from peaceful community destroyed lots of temple in north
Northies also destroy mosques, they still struggle with religious tolerance and hence stay underdeveloped.
In the south too.
even mosqs, tolerance is weak in north.
@@Nateseun except babari there is no case of mosque destruction and even babari wasn't a mosque
U communist have no sense of history citing only small instances but forgetting how much systematic killing were done not in north but south too how temple were desecreted how slavery was done rapes and genocide were committed but no for u its okk when hindus die
Young man, can you also read the KJV Bible and get your insight on this channel
Islam doesn't fit in with other religions, why doesn't this distorian can't grasp that, hindus for hindustan
You aren't even south indian
I would have loved to read the article on this though...
Muslim as bodyguard of draupadi lolssssss
Any Muslim Devoties Worship Hindu God / Godess BEFORE Muslim Festival
Pora pichi puva..
"South Indian gods"😂
South is the beautiful section of India where people visit each others religious sites and celerate each other's cultures without being discriminated against. Much unlike the North.
your pfp explains
says a guy with a fucking commi profile pic
Total bullshit ..😂😂😂😂 Hindus visiting ajmer only happens in North...by the way iam from Kerala.
Which of the two is fact?
1) Hindus in large numbers are offering worship at Islamic religious places.
2) Muslims in large numbers are offering worship at Hindu temples.
If most often only #1 is happening then its a proof of the plurality of Hindu teachings & stupidity of the Hindu population.
If most often only #2 is happening then its a proof of the plurality of Islam teaching & stupidity of the Muslim population.
If Both #1 & #2 are happening then only it can be called "integration" & "assimilation".
When will ecosystem liberals stop whitewashing facts?
Your pfp explains. Go save the Soviets first. Oops they don't exist
Islam never belongs idol worshipping idol is shirk hope one sided love affair of secularism ends give respect and get it which Islam cannot guarantee
No. Fake news but ok.
No they were not. They must leave.
That's why south is where it is and UP is where it is.
Don't say things like that. It creates divisions. Most importantly the ruling elites will conspire like not giving us funds and slow our growth. So please don't do this. We have our own issues to deal with.
Boss we have less muslims if population exceeds 40 you will understand
Lmao. Up becomes #2 gdp holder surpassing kerala. I am rajasthani btw. And vote for congress in state and planning to vote modi in general elections. Now you decide which bad word u will be using against me
This man is slow poison
Fake history. No need to worship some human being at shabrimala
Yes .. two thousand years ago Muslim helped to make all temple of south
Some day this will be the told as truth!!
South India was blessed not to be invaded as in northern India
wonder why most of the incident temples of north India are gone !! But south still do ?
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that statue is Buddha's statue.....😂 not hindus 😂
remove all clothes and jewellery, Buddha will come out
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There's still 20 years validity in South India for Victim card, Caste politics, pseudosecularism and liberalism. But once Kerala becomes an Islamic state after 20yrs which is inevitable going by the yearly census trends, BJP will be booming in rest of South Indian states and All regional and caste parties like DMK, TRS, YSRCP & TDP will be dissolved in bay of bengal.
Do you think after 20 yrs it will still be bjp vs everyone.
bjp might take the so called "psuedo secular view" and congress might go in favour of hindu danger narrative