Why are South Indian temples larger than ones in North? Answer isn’t ‘Islamic invasions’
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- South India’s towering temple gateways and gopurams are among its most iconic architectural features. But why are gopurams not a thing in North India? Why do so few medieval temples survive in the North? Anirudh Kanisetti explains how finances, social behaviour, and invasions shaped South India’s glorious gopurams.
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Dehejia, Vidya. The Thief Who Stole My Heart: The Material Life of Sacred Bronzes from Chola India, 855-1280. The A.W. Mellon Lectures in the Fine Arts 65. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2021.
Heitzman, James. Gifts of Power: Lordship in an Early Indian State. Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2001.
Karashima, Noboru. Ancient to Medieval: South Indian Society in Transition. Oxford Collected Essays. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2009.
Willis, Michael D. “Religious and Royal Patronage in North India.” In Gods, Guardians, and Lovers: Temple Sculptures from North India A.D. 700 - 1200, edited by Vishakha N. Desai, 48-65. Ahmedabad: Mapin Publishing, 1993.
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There are barely any pre-1800 temples in North india. Only some in MP which were under Rajput rule.
very disappointing
the oldest wooden temple in india from 7th century is in himachal
@@mr.rathour6454exactly other than hill North Indian States there are no North Indian temples older than 1800😢
Buddy this guy has given same explanation in his book also which I bought for 800 rs some blatant lies also he loves to push the narrative of North south divide
@@dhavaldesai6202then I love him
7:00 "I think north Indian temples did not survive because they were made of bricks."
But Khajuraho, remains of hindu-jain temples in Qutub Minar complex, earlier Ashok edicts/pillars are all of stone.
Moreover Islamic monuments(which historians agree used material from earlier monuments) that were made just after invasions are all of stone. So where do you get this brick theory?
watch the video again
@@yj9032 read my comment again
This brainless channel has no other work except to appease anti-hindu elements.
They show no care in reading our comments and to change their behaviour. They won't change. Only we have to change. We are increasing the reach of their videos by watching and engaging in their shit videos.
You are cherry picking data. Increase geographic scope by including Kerala, Karnataka, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Odisha and Maharashtra and redo the analysis. I love to see that. To this add the layer of role of Vijayanagara empire (prevention invading forces). My simple explanation is the lack of hard stones(granite) and engineering skills in the Gangetic plain, you see Cholas contribution in Indonesia and Cambodia. History is a science. Use multiple independent evidences to reach conclusions. Don’t read few books and conclude. Best wishes for a detailed comprehensive video.
The @theprint is being incredibly foolish. They're shamelessly trying to manipulate people into believing anti-Hindu commentaries.
They have no shame to even tell
1. Aryan theory is true
2. Mughals taught India civilization
3. Muslims are being attacked in India
4. Hinduism is cruel
Etcetera
6:50 Islamic invasions have not much to do with the destruction of temples in north India because wait..... Pakistani historian say so🤯
Right, brainwashed idiot, unless everything negative has an answer called Islam, you cant jerk yourself off on your hate p*rn ideology....
Muslims ruled south tooo, their temples still exist.North Indians just never made/incapable of making south style temples.
Answer to every wrong is islam, source: every non historian Gobar bhakt.. Happy?
@@MRC325 How dare you speak of any factual or logical argument... Go smoke some gobar so his hate p"rn will make sense.
@@MRC325 Facts are not facts. Blind yourself with enough hate for muslims, everything will make sense. You won't need any logic. Just some political lies and Gobar to smoke. Welcome to the world of Andhbhakt.
Try visiting the national museums in Delhi, Kolkata and abroad the number of sculptures - mostly gods and goddesses will stagger you. But how many temples stand across the North - their fate was worse than Gyanvapi
A good example on how to build a narrative using half-truths and cherrypicked facts
Why does Odisha still have magnificient medieval temples but neighboring much more populous and prosperous Bengal( & Bangladesh) does not ?
The first instance in history writing were primary sources are discarded in order to pander to the thoughts and opinions and biases of modern leftlib secular historians.
Muslim rulers and their court poets and scholars and biographers- we destroyed hundreds of temples of the idol-worshipping polytheists.
Modern historians- they were very nice people they didnt destroy temples> ok they might have destroyed a few but they patronized other temples > ok they destroyed lots of temples but it was economic and political reasons, absolutely nothing to do with their religion.
Simple reason: if the local communities care about that temple, it will thrive or else it will fall after losing royal patronage.
@@rajashashankgutta4334 If the local community for centuries has to pay a tax imposed on them to participate in religious functions and even visit a temple whilst suffering from economic persecution with new elites, patronage of temples from local communities is bound to fall. Reasons for erasure of a culture are never simple.
@@shyamapple9060 didn't Mughals abolish jizya tax? Why didn't locals started reconstruction of their old temples?
@@rajashashankgutta4334 Akbar abolished the jizya tax and Aurangzeb reinstated it during the peak of the Mughal empire. Aurangzeb's reign was also the longest and most polarising in Mughal history with his religious policies being a major factor in rebellions throughout the empire. A major instance is the Martyrdom of Guru Tegh Bahadur who was executed by Aurangzeb alongside his companions for attempting to petition the plight of Kashmiri pandits who were being persecuted. Guru Tegh Bahadur was given the choice to convert as it was Aurangzeb's belief that the Sikhs who were establishing a separate power base in the Punjab would be brought into the fold of the empire however, this backfired as Guru Tegh Bahadur embraced martyrdom instead and saved his faith. Also, the literal event behind the militarization of the Sikhs under Guru Gobind Singh who never forgave this. Thus, Mughal policy that extended persecution to many non-muslim entities Hindu, Sikh, Tribal religions etc. especially during Aurangzeb's rule was a major factor in the collapse of the Mughal state and the ensuing series of wars and changing empires left little time for temple building (save a few from Ahilyabhai Holkar) until the eventual annexation of India by the British.
There is also reason because those temples were built by chola descendants ..
This guy is so far removed from reality. He should have been a lawyer by profession. Why south Indian temples are older than North Indian temples?
Many Central Indian ancient temples and stupas survived to this day because they fell into disuse and neglected thus forgotten by the people. Many other odia and Nepali and other himalayan temples survived because of remote hostile location or lack of proper control. They did manage to invade into Kashmir. Sikandar Shah Miri was called Butshikan meaning an iconoclast (destroyer of icons, here means idols of Hindu Gods).
This guy if teleported to 3000 AD would even come up arguments that would absolve the Talliban from their crimes like destroying Bamiyan Buddha.
From Multan Sun Temple to Matand Temple, many temples in North India and Pakistan was destroyed. How many times was Somnath attacked? None of his arguments fit Somnath. It was destroyed multiple times. It has patronage from locals as well as rulers. Never fell into disuse but if it wasnt written down, I am sure he would have justified its demise too without uttering invasion.
People like him are responsible to push fence sitting Hindus towards BJP.
The guy just totally ignored the temple destruction and cleanup of site. Further he is looking at architectural evidence which has not survived in north india. He should have looked for traveller references to india from 1Ad to 1000Ad.
This video is full of 'evidence' that has been cherry-picked to apologize for medieval muslim rulers. How can you claim that north Indian temples are divorced from communities? Any one can see temples around Pushkar that have been maintained by locals for centuries against heavy odds. Any tourist in Varanasi can see the mosques that have been built over Hindu temples and the attempts of multiple rulers to rebuild at adjacent sites. Similar stories are found across the northern states where generations have struggled to maintain temples.
Why discount the claims of muslim rulers themselves by attributing weakness to them? Why are you so hell-bent on blaming Hindus for the lack of temple architecture?
In what universe was there no Bhakti movement in the north? Vernacular texts such as the hanuman chalisa are still recited regularly in northern temples. Why would the devout who read these texts not contribute to building structures?
Why only pick Srirangam and Chidambaram in the south when practically every village in Tamil Nadu has a grand stone temple? Why pick two out of hundreds of Chola-built temples to prove a contrived point?
You yourself claim that history is messy and complicated. Please stop making silly arguments just to go against the grain. Please acknowledge plain truths.
you are the one who is cherry picking
@@yj9032 cherry picking is when particular facts are taken to prove a larger point which the podcaster did. Mr Ganeshan simply rebutted those points with counter examples. That is not cherry picking in my view.
Its because north indians built big forts by their kings, but not temples. common people worship their kings (slave mindset). In south its opposite , people worshipped god but not their kings.
"please acknowledge plain truths" - hmm 🤔.
Yes, pls acknowledge that muslim invaders aren't the one and only reason that there is minimal temples in North but there are other factors too.
Pls acknowledge that you can't digest that this video didn't fully accuse Muslims as you wished it would be...
@@user-yg5vc7ci4r As with any historical truth, there could be many reasons. I am very happy to explore them. This video does the opposite. It starts by assuming that muslim invasions played a minor role. It then goes to all kinds of lengths to find other reasons, many flimsy.
As a Southie....that too from the Deep-South....and a Dharmic (Hindu) I would like to point out a couple of things worth noting.
The following-
* Kodungalloor masjid (constructed before 650 ACE)
* Keelakarai masjid (constructed before 650 ACE)
* Zeenath Baksh (constructed before 650 ACE)
* Kazimar mosque (1200s ACE)
* Nagore dargah (1600s ACE)
Are among the foremost examples, and the oldest as well, of HINDU Rulers building mosques and dargahs for their muslim subjects. All of these are located in the Deep-South (Kerala Tamilnad Tulunad Coorg). And this Deep-South of India as also the Northeast of India were NEVER under muslim rule.
So Hindu Lords of regions never under muslim rule built scores of such masjids and dargahs for their muslim subjects over the centuries. Whilst the muslim rulers all over the Northern and Western and Eastern zones of India brought down Hindu/Jain/Buddhist/Sikh places of worship in Varanasi Ayodhya Mathura Kurukshetra Somnath Adinath etc.
Will you still say islam is the same as Hinduism or other Dharmic faiths?
I have zero expectations of soiled toilet-paper rags like newsclick wire quint scroll or newslaundry. I, fwiiw, do have much higher regard for the Print.
Religious populace shift , scores of Buddhist and Jain temples were remade into Hindu temples
Muslims of South has different history from the northern counter part as well, most of them were traders and the Hindu king's in places like Kerala or tulunadu had the brain to use these traders for their advantage.i don't know if you know this but in those times, leaving once own land was considered impure so king's in South used Muslim traders to communicate with the world where in place they were given a place to settle down in their region. A win win situation
@@tomorrow. The HINDU MASTERS of the Deep-South were SEAFARERS for millennia before your islam was even born. The Deep-South (Kerala Tamilnad Tulunad Coorg) was collectively called Tamialakam a polity that existed for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before your allah and mohd had come down from the trees.
Hey the Hindus of the Deep-South had all the world's Gold. They were very well-rooted there. They had been sefarers for millenia and had had commercial exchange for millenia with the Mesopotamians Greeks Romans and Jerusalem. King Solomon's Ophir is also widely believed to have been there.
Leaving the land temporarily is "impure"??? Just cook up something eh? That is just garbage. They used to travel in large ships that are called "Dhows". Another kind of raft called catamarans are what a section of the tribals of the South used to get to the Australian continent who later went on to be known as the Aboriginals. Just cuz the truth is inconvenient does not make it an untruth. The difference in Hinduism and islam is also the difference one sees today between India and potystan.
@@tomorrow. The Dharmics of the Deep-South had been seafarers for 1000s of years before islam was even born. They had already traded with Mesopotamians Greeks Romans and Jews for millennia by 600s CE. King Solomon's Ophir is widely believed (even if not complete consensus) to have been there. This sort of "reasoning" (not leaving native lands) is not something I have heard anywhere. They are leaving temporarily not permanently.
@izoldics Liar. Where's your proof?
This guy is funny as hell 😂🤡
Explain what's funny in the video?
It's quite funny to see your understanding of history. You keep comparing 15 century period of North with 9th century South. Your entire motive of creating this video was to just play with distorted facts and celling fictional history of Jnu and Pakistan, but the prime motive was to criticise Hindu of one part of India with other and whitewashing islamic cruelty. 👏👏👏. It requires great will power to abuse own fate, culture and ancestors.
keep crying bhakt,
@@yj9032 and you keep doing chamcha without facts 😂
@@yj9032you have no proper evidence to back except to bloast with false claims. What cry? People who don't even go to temples talk about the history of temples. Shame on you and @theprint.
An extraordinarily mischievous presentation with an openly declared political objective . He has tried to score multiple ideological salvos at once with zero attention to basics. His INCREDIBLE ASSERTIONS : (1) Bhakthi movement actually liberated the South Indian temples from ( unsaid ) brahmin stranglehold. Temples became larger socially only in later times & not before. They then became egalitarian with all classes patronizing their magnificent growth in later centuries . (2) By contrast there was no SOCIAL PATRONAGE for the Temple eco system in the North since it was in the stranglehold / control of minority brahmins with the basis of their priest craft and social control being Sanskrit (3) In the North Hindu kings themselves were responsible for the decay or even destruction of temples built by losing Hindu kings. He alluded to a few unfinished projects (4) Temples ( if any ) were perhaps built of bricks which simply disintegrated or submerged in alluvial gangetic soil. (5) A few Muslim kings may have destroyed some temples in North India but he adds implicitly that there were hardly any temples on hand to be destroyed in the first place …He goes on to question the open admission of vandalism by the conquerors as boastful bragging . (6) He atrociously accuses the laity’s lack of devotion in North India for the neglect of temples and even “lack of devotion” . And then blames that on Brahmin led & influenced social degeneration .. . These are BRASH falsehoods based on flimsy, linear assumptions. The FACTS : (a) First of all there has to be a cross disciplinary project for creation of inventory of all temples in NORTH India. Every conceivable primary source has to be taken into account. Then the question of how many survived and what happened to the rest should be settled. There is damning evidence in the writings and court records of invaders . We have to immediately push for a historical White paper on that (b)The temple eco system is the most composite socio-political-economic ecosystem that has existed and survived in South India since antiquity. (c) This voodoo of Sanskrit being the oppressor cult needs to be historically busted with the empirical evidence of migratory and cultural linkages between all parts of India. Adi Shankara is the supreme example of tour vivid cultural effervescence. The attempt is to glibly state the case for the Leftist theory - “ Brahmin domination of the temple ecosystem having been defeated by the subalterns and that the same brahmin legacy is being sought to be reintroduced” This spurious narrative has be demolished with empirical data. Print should have allowed this only with a proper disclaimer.
What are you trying to whitewash
JNU school of history 😂
has he seen temples in uttarakhand and himanchal where islamic invaders didn't come they are elaborate and very old and continously preserved by kings and community yes they are not big as southern indian temples but that doesn't give excuse to islamic invasions. it was very difficult to built temple in sultanate and mughal period no new temple were allowed built in that area. this was a part of order so don't tell lie in trying to make ur video more nuance.
These people are very cunning they include Maharashtra in south just to increase the economy but never talk about communal tensions there , if BJP wasn't in Gujarat they would have included it too
The poetocer there was.called wali dakhni
Maharashtra is not South, no South Indian ever claims Maharashtra. Only other Indians do this.
@@MRC325 please don't give me Gyan on this , I have done diploma on this and they do it just to increase the economy, the harsh reality is there is no south only some hard-core fan of DMK do these propoganda of dividing India like periyar
@@AtheistIndian2024 South Indians only believe the 5 Dravidian language states are South, the rest of the country is North.
@@MRC325But historically, before the Dravidianism ideology raised, South Indian pundits (intellectuals I mean) used to include Maharashtra in the South.
With the current academically raised knowledge we have today, it's absurd to rely on those West European racialist debunked theories of the nineteenth century.
Many now think that a language shift happened in olden Maharashtra. So, a mainly Dravidian language speaking population gradually adopted an Indo-Aryan Prakrit. And their descendants are now portrayed, often by Indo-European speaking migrants far away children who speak Dravidian language now (far from being limited to Brahmins), as the "Aryans" !
Twisting of these kind are similar in Rwanda or Lanka. Old debunked colonial-era anthropological theories and histories, manipulated by politicians and malicious pseudo-intelectuals who led to genocides !
This distortion is mind-boggling... You quote authors from Pakistan but never the sources ... Conveniently ignore that destroying a temple was never about a building but a mindset to destroy communities dependent on it.
The motive of the video only seems to justify north south divide that south was more community oriented so it survived and north didn't...
Thumbs down
Please see the description. You will find the sources. I think we need to accept the fact that there was a lot of princely states that existed before modern day India and there was no sense of "Bharat" other than in terms of religion. Yes people from the south went to Varanasi and accepted Hinduism but that doesn't mean they simply forgot their differences and thought like Indians. If that were teh case why were rulers in the north fighting both internal and external battles all the time with very little support from the rest of "Bharat".
@@jeevan007037 sources mentioned are mostly books and not peer reviewed papers ... Book sources not based on inscription evidence are subjected to biases of authors opinion and we have had enough of leftist historians in past to prove that that was the norm.
@@jeevan007037 wouldn't buy book based sources, as a trained historian would rather believe inscription based or triangulation based evidence than biased opinions.
@@shreyamukherjee9792 To be honest, I don't find him too bad even though I am not a trained historian. Compared to a lot of right wing, so called, historians, he has a more realistic view of history. There is another video where he simply challenges the Cholas naval might so I dont think he has favouritism towards South Indians.
How dirty this distorian is.......first say the history of muslim rule
😂😂 if what ur make up stories about Muslim rule was true, u wud not be here typing shits...
more than 500 years of rule and u people are still present..it states a lot
first say history of 2000 years of slavery of dalits under sanatan rule
@@yj9032 😂😂😂there is no evidence of 2000 years of dalit oppression...
This is wat Marxist teach..
2000 years ago...entire indian subcontinent had 27 lakh population (including India Pak Bangladesh)...dharma shastras were written in later stages...... indian gdp was No.1 please make note...Brahmins had the hegemony only on Vedas ..not other things...all other people were expertise in other professions.... obviously the population kept increasing....just 500 years ago during Mughal rule 1500 ce .. indian subcontinent population was increased near 10 crore... and 18th century after British industrial revolution, zamindari system, and forcible famine made upper caste very rich in modern times...I mean to say after 17th century...non upper caste lost all their profession because of industries...
After that 1871 British do cencus according to profession and name it as caste...caste is not race like white or black...many say savarna(white) and avarna(black)..but irony is so many scheduled caste in north India are white...in haryana vedic land...all scheduled caste are pure white😂😂😂
See I'm not against reservation...but this nation was ruled 800 years by Islamic rule also..so I want all those Muslims reservation cancel who match their lineage with invaders
Today population is 140 crore
Today population is 140 cr😂😂😂..this is going to be more complicated when population reaches 170 cr
You just believe what udayanidhi stalin said...99% people don't know what is the meaning of sanathan dharma...it is the original vedic root..sanathan dharma is available in Buddhist sikh and jain holy texts also....
Please read Europe Africa other history where clergy class often discriminated the oppressed in Christianity....chola shivaji Vijayanagar gupta Rana pratap yadavas cheras pandyas all are sanatan kings...
Now cholas pandyas landlords are obcs😂wodeyars also obc😂
Vivekananda died in 1932 ..if he were there..then entire india he wud have reformed
@@yj9032 give me evidences
of slavery
I am from South. I can say that this guy does not know South India and temples.
We all agree to you. Print staff watch their own videos. Its s job requitement.Just click repeat playlist.
He is a historian speaking based on evidence not based on your ideology simple
@@tomorrow. . Unless a historian's entire history is exposed or open to the public. His master's ideologies and propaganda is what such historian serve. This is a jain channel. This is not history. This is tasty propaganda you specificaly deserve.
@@jumdas1049 feel free to explain the propoganda here? It's a fact that southern temples were public affairs unlike the northern counter part. So what so propaganda about this?
@@tomorrow. what is the evidence ? Leave your hinduphobic ideology to yourself, not on foreign topics.
Beautiful. I like it when we absolves invaders for any of the historical or cultural problems seen in India during ancient or medieval time. Finding problem only within our own people is a sign of a proud Bhartiya . Great performance.
So in essence entire south is tamilnadu. Second no mention of rashtrakuts, hoysala, kakathiyas, etc .. neither other south temples built super massieve gopuram... no chronological order that is clear .Take for example kailasha temple ajanta ellora doset have one. Just some books name dropping and mix masala type stuffs. At the end dalo gang jamuna tezib tadka .. serve something to public.
Hey Mr, This is an engineered comprehension for your own sake.. Dont add to noise...
Atleast mention sources and author's name's atleast in the background.
Kahan se aate ho bhai 😅
The podcaster takes a little facet of truth and makes it the whole truth. Gopuram style of architecture is not the only style in S India; there is also the thatched roof style found in Kerala, which are smaller. The Jagannath temple in Puri was probably the largest temple in Bharat when built, but as noted in Wikipedia, the temple annals, the Madala Panji, records that the temple was invaded and plundered eighteen times. The same is true for the Somnath Temple, which can rival any S India temple in size and scale, but was repeatedly destroyed by Muslim invaders but repeatedly rebuilt by devotees and royal sponsors. Yes, history is complex, but the general truth is that S India temples suffered much less destruction than N Indian temples during the Muslim rule, and that there are S India temples that are equally impressive as S Indian one. So not really sure what point the podcaster was really trying to make???
DMK history book about north...they don't know about qutub minar history...mathura temple history...Kashi gyanwapi mosque history...don't spread propaganda
Ok... last i checked bhakti movement was expanded in North India too. The only difference relevant here in North and South was North was more susceptible to invasions from foreign cultures in pre maritime expansion age.
Bhakti movement happened much earlier in south than in North.
@@rajashashankgutta4334 ok
1)It is generally not a good idea to listen to a historian when it comes to archaeological sites. 2)8min video doesn't do this topic justice.
3)refrain from using words like 'elite Sanskrit' clearly shows some mixing of biases with facts.
4) please clearly define what north and south India is before starting the discussion.
5) Temples being less elaborate in North India could be due to the fact that kings there were more engaged in warfare and building forts(pretty evident) so they may not have budget left for temple construction.
Typical a**hole leftist anti-hindu narrative peddler
but it is not true there are very elaborate hindu and jain temple in rajasthan which was ruled by hindu kings but this is not the case with the areas which were directly ruled by mughals and sultanate.
Sanskrit was an elite language, language of gentry and refined aristocratic classes. It was an influential force but not a representative of common medieval or ancient Indians
North Indian Royal Temples are very intricately built. What he talked about was that Early Temples and Medieval North Indian Temples were not gigantic society based institutions welcoming people from all walks of life. Same is true for Buddhist Monasteries and Jain Temples in Northern India
Sanskrit was considered an elite language.... That's the fact
So basically if you want to recap the nonsense we had been taught as kids, then waste your time on this video.
Waah.. Waah.. must be a JNU historian.
At least better than any graduate from WhatsApp University!
at least Whatsapp University graduate is not intentionally lying like JNU historian@@akshay_persona
@@AKumar-co7oe If the real facts don't go by your conspiracy theories. Then it becomes lies.
@@akshay_persona real facts from Pakistani historians?
You are better off trusting Whatsapp forwards
@@AKumar-co7oe As expected. BJP voters discussions are incomplete without the intro of Pakistan keyword.
North was under muslim rule...but south was under obc kings...but hatred for 3% brahmins😂😂😂😂
Yes I know two brahmin, One Janou Dhari Rahul and second PANDIT Nehru 😅
😅😅😅😅😅
A sheep or jihadi? Only these two abuse Indian culture.
True. But problem was those 3% were the brain for kings in making decisions,.. like how nagpur is making decisions now… other example is how thanjavur under the control of 3% when periyar party is in the government…😂😂
Dude brahmins are the worst human beings ever...not this generation but the ones who corrupted kings and brought evil policies that would benefit only brahmin heritage
The comments clearly shows the polarization
The Marathas and Vijaya Nagara Emperor Saved South India 🇮🇳 🚩🙏💐
No kings saved south ..it was saved by peoples of south
@@raghuls1515 Come on...Marathas played an important role in saving the temples in the medieval times...Look at Humpi...It razed for 6 months and the temple is in ruins post the fall of Vijay Nagar Temples...I'm from TN...Even the Sambhar is an invention of Marthas during their stay in Madurai; the dish is named after Sambha Ji
@@FreddieMurphy746 yes Marathas were indirectly one of reason for save..but for south they were also invaders ..like plunder of temple wealth in sringeri etc..
@@raghuls1515 Come on...The south was under the rule of Turkic and Persians who were not part of the Subcontinent...In Telugu they are still called Turkollu which means Turkic...Allaudin Khilji's general Mallik gafur defeated the Kakhatiyas and then proceeded to Madurai...He even invaded the Meenakshi temple
@@raghuls1515 People of Subcontinent were not Invaders...By ur logic; multiple kings of Vijaynagara Kingdom were from the Tullu Nadu...Even Naikars like Kattabomman were Telugu ruling Tamilnadu....Chollas conquering the banks of Ganga was also invaders according to u, huh?
Being selective about some information just shows your leanings. Please read about our Mahoba's Shiv temple how did it survived through the turbulent times or read about Bithor temple on the bank of Ganga, These temple have survived because they were either in remote areas, where Muslim invaders didn't attack or were not of consequence for them. When you are talking about some historic context talk about it as it was and if your quoting some source please make sure try to include opposite contemporary thought too.
i am not atall surprised with white washing image of muslim rulers by Print and its associates ! i appreciate it , that you stay true to your self .
how about we also talk about Number of times and number of temples decipated 😂
Mischief.
Why are there no known ancient or mediaeval temples in Delhi?
Forget height simply old temples don't exist.
Which college did you go to bro.. would never send my kids there.. 😅
Who is this guy? Credibility and credentials ?
Particularly incoherent around 6:30
Show me any 800,900,1500year old intact temple in and around delli then I will agree with you that Islam invasion is nothing to do with temples.you can't get a 900,1000year old temple in delli,hariyana Punjab,Kashmir due to destruction of temples by Islamic invaders so when there are no old temple left how can you compere with South temples?
Leftist History zombie, Mr. Kanisetty..
Appreciate the research and readings that has gone into before coming up with this video.
Fact based discouses should be welcomed and not just live in assumptions and hearsays
The biggest paradox of your argument is Kashi Vishwanath and Mathura Temple. Shut up darbari!
This video is based on half and cherry picked facts, there should be a way to report this video
Temples like kashi vishvanath and few others received patronage from not only locals but entire subcontinent but still their survival was non continuous.,
In ancient period, Basically North India was Vedic centric which didnt gave importance to Temple/Idol worship. But South India gave&gives first importance to Idol/Temple worship till now.
As usual you are shying away to put forward uncomfortable facts regarding non existence of big temples in northern part of India.... we have more archaeological data than you are describing here selectively based on only narrative and narrative devoid of hard-core facts...
He is a sincere deciple of irfan habibi the only true historian of India..
poorly researched and flawed analysis ...
Can you tell us why northern indian temples are not in good condition??
We all know Britishers not destroy temples directly and physically
All those islamic writings...he is brushing aside as untrue?
Why?
U all are standing of raja raja cholar. 😂😂That's why got horn on head. 😂😂
Sources: All foreign historians and a Pakistani historian... And Romila Thapar is missing here to conclude the narrative finally 😂...
It is pure truth
The south was never ruled by islamic invaders for a significant time.
Seems like Print going into appeasement mode
1) Nobility and kings may have built temples but inscriptional evidence shows that many communities paid for the upkeep of the temple according to their needs.
2) not all temples belonged to all communities, you ignore the institution of the kula devata that is very important to Hindu Society.
3) The Natha tradition spread from srilanka to bengal to Afghanistan and they used the local language whenever they went for the last 1000 years. Afghan Hindus use Pashto in their religious traditions not Sanskrit.
4) "Their lands and properties were infringed upon and rededicated". The lands were meant for the upkeep, when the invasions happened the ruling Sultans did not give a crap about temple lands. They may have left some for the basic upkeep but would use the revenue from these lands for themselves or for their own religious activities.
5)The fact that various communities were bale to use their wealth for hundreds of years to be able to expand and enhance the temple REQUIRES that the temple for the most part be standing and not destroyed or converted to another structure religious or secular.
6) conveniently used instances of Hindu invasions from Deccan to the north as examples which were few in number and ignores the hundreds if not thousands of instances of destruction of temples by turkic invasions. The bhojesvara linga still stands in an unfinished temple and is not broken and destroyed. the southern hide invader respected the linga.
7) "different in scale" but not "different in concept". The idea of halting a temple construction project due to invasion by a neighbouring kingdom vs destroying a temple and icon, looting its treasury and lands are very different.
8) He says not many inscriptions were found in North Indian temples, South Indian temples survive hence you find the inscriptions of many communities there. Where would you find inscriptions for a temple that exists no longer unless by chance.
9) When you have a horde for an army like the sultans, the large scale destruction of temples is not hard especially when these temples contained great treasures. In the Indian economic system Temples also functioned as banks and therefore were extremely wealthy.
10) The point that strikes me is though it may be hard for archeological evidence to come by pending excavations. There are numerous descriptions of grand temples being describes by travellers, historians, poets etc from the period.
Ex. A fortified Vaikunta (vaishnava) temple on a Hill called Bhimanagara. Built by the Hindu Shahis near the township of Wah, Pakistan. Described as very wealthy and was looted by the Mahmud of the Ghaznavids.
400 Buddist monasteries, 250 Pashupata Temples and hundreds of smaller temples of other devatas from Sindh to Multan. Note: Being a centre for trade I doubt that there were no merchants giving grants to these monasteries and temples.
Kashmir may have had smaller temples by scale but just read the rajatarangini to see the number of temples built by the Kashmiris through their history numbering in the valley alone.
11) Finally, He completely ignores the conversion of many temples to mosques. upon the temples conversion to a mosque many Tempes endowments were give over to them.
Is this the Lords of Deccan guy?
Wasn't there Bhakti movement in North also
It is for both scientific and political reasons. Tamil kingdoms have historically been flooded so they became cautious about the sea level rise and the potential flooding with Tsunami. As they lost their lands - under farming and livable areas - to floods, they moved their capitals from sea ports to safer in lands ex. Pandiyan Kingdom had changed their capital twice - old Madurai which is under water, and Korkai, present day Thoothukudi - as their capital before the current Madurai was built as their capital. One of the measures to save their food and agriculture was by protecting the seed stocks in an airtight, waterproof, radiation safe vessel called Kalasams that stands in the tops of the Tamil temples. These vessels can also float and reach the next land mass when the water level goes over it. So the taller their temples safer the seeds from the enemies and safer as the seed stocks for the future. The Kalassam are placed in Gods view as a protective place - in the front of Gods and People eyes. Even now during every Kumbabhisheham (approx every 12 years) the kalasam’s seeds are refilled with fresh produce. The number of Kalassam, size, types of metals used, etc. all are varied depending on the rich variety of produce and wealth of the king who inaugurate the temple.
Bro... Can u stop joking... U know why.. Because of the mahavishnu temple that vibishana suppose to be bring it towards rawana lanka. Because of that temple involve the God ganesha.. And it involve lord kartikeya
Gangetic plain do not have stone. And if you look on satelite map then it show river of the plain changes courses upto 100 km. So almost every 50 people shift due to changes in river courses. My family have 800 year of recorded history and we changes our villages almost 12 time in that years. I think it is the main reason.
Okay the print also from jnu university ✅
South India is not just Tamilnadu
South is safe heaven Hindus cultural
Islam did wipe out Sanatani/Hindu Mandirs in the North. You can not deny that.
However, your question as to why Mandirs in Dakshin Bharat have very large gopurams and why mandirs in Uttar Bharat do not is valid.
However, I disagree with your reasoning. Devotion and funds were equally present in Uttar Bharat.
Then why didn't the local communities reconstructed their temples after fall of Muslim rule?
@@rajashashankgutta4334 because there was muslim rule throughout, 1192-1526 Delhi Sultanate; 1526-1857 Mughals and local Nawabs; and then too poor under the British to do so(yet some were build). But now they are being build, see Ayodhya, several private bodies building magnificent temples across districts.
@rajashashankgutta4334
They did.
The two best examples are Somnath (which was destroyed some 15 times and rebuilt that many times + 1) and the Ram Mandir in Ayodhya (which as Modi ji keeps saying, was in a tent).
The Sanatanis never gave up. They always maintained a presence. In some cases by just offering water on places adjacent to where the mandirs stood (in pretty much every case a mosque was constructed over the mandir).
A lot has been documented by foreign travelers. Check out Vikram Sampat.
I am from Bangalore and it is clear that Many of these South Indian big temples are maintained because the rulers of the South maintain and renovate them from time to time. Even after the 1000ad there are multiple power Southern kingdoms like cholas and vijaynagar which patronise the local art religion and culture. The दिल्ली सल्तनत and thier vassals control the Southern for very less and same for the mughals
Why?
Because of vijayanagara resistance and later Maratha.
It is impossible to have these legacy under islamic rule. And you people shouldn't downplay it.
Now we have Birla temples popping up all over...and they are money spinning machines.
North is not just haryana Punjab delhi and UP.
The comment section is not at all surprising.
Bhai Sahab, kabhi North Indian sites of destroyed temples ja kar dekha Karo. Secondary references se research kar ke another Romilla Thapar banana ho to alag baat hai
The answer will always be *clear* to you without needing any facts if you just blind yourself with enough hate.
The fact that you dont even have an old temple in north india for comparison pretty uch solidifies that answer is "islamic invasion"
I felt somewhat biased opinion because you are referring architectural evidence which where destroyed and sometimes the stones were transported otherwise people would start worshipping those stones. Second you are not looking for evidences and books of 1Ad to 1000 Ad. You are quoting from some books wrtten 1800 Ad writers. Third a major contradiction would be temples in konark puri and lingraj temple. More important is the fact that north india was devoid of hindu kings for 1000 years whereas south india only suffered for 400 years perhaps after aurangzeb and british. So i think you should remake this with proper reasearch and not just parrot speaking. That's why the dislike to the video
Bullshitting. The style of North Indian temples is difficult to build and cap the shikhar with a hemispherical dome.
South Indian temple sanctum sanctorum is a small structure. The Gate is pyramidal and hence can be tall. It's safe and easy.
The comments to this video are absolutely unhinged.
The ability to appreciate a historical narrative contrary to the one that seems convenient and force fed is so alien.
No ability to appreciate or respect professionalism and expertise in subject matter.
Absolutely!! People are so narrow minded
This looks more like an apologist attempt to whitewash the reality.
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North : no local loyalty, elitist (sanskrit speaking) patronage, lots of infighting, so collapsed along with collapse of dynasty.
South : temples were 'community'affairs. So they thrived despite multiple sorts of adversities.
Turko mongol invasions and disruptions?
Yeah , but.....
meh!!!
Where did i hear all this before??
Please @The Print, start getting some of the new blood from the other schools as well and if you can't at least have them read some RC Dutt, Jadunath Sarkar, Meenakshi Jains and such instead of quoting Pakistani texts.
It is never south and north.in north also nanak kabir tulsi all wrote in local languages.bhakti movement was in same time period.
Bhakthi movement in North was not effective.
Three vedanthas came from South and spreaded till North
Also foreign historians sometimes analyse in their ownway.
Such videos are reasons why I don't contribute to The Print anymore.
Instead of a long monologue on a topic like this, you are better served bringing in someone knowledgeable in a dialogue mode! How about Vikram Sampath…and let’s see your narratives holding water
Quoting all foreign authors and conveniently ignoring temples that did survive in odisha and many parts of North India this is one of the most ill informed videos by the print.
Also tries to water down the horrors of Muslim invasion on Hindu rituals and temples.
Lets down play the northern resistence
Shekhar Gupta laughing in corner 😂
Very superficial knowledge and research. Inaccurate
Stupid journalism.........
I pity your "scholarship"
Bro bro.. Go listen to songs of gantasala sir..
Nice ! Until last phase of election keep talking about temples, invasion, British rule etc etc
Kerala😂 different land. Local hindu kings always love kerala Christians and restricted arab traders settling but friendly with arabs
While claiming that everything did not happen because of Islamic rule. You are showing your bias. Please first delink yourself from the Islamic bias
JNU college history class 😂
Wide-ranging generalizations inciting South Supremacism
Excellent insight
All stupidity, simply blaming Islamic rulers. Yes They have destructed. But none of the temple are great as comparable to especially Tamil Nadu temples. Tamilians were and are and will be the great Architects in the universe. Look at the beaty and majesty of the temples . That is the reason , MODI want to somehow capture the minds of the Tamilians and trying very very hard...But Tamilians know the the crocodile tear within MODI
Cherry picking of history
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New low for print
100% desert religion has destroyed
Northern india temples to dust. Dont fool us, we r fedup with romila
Like historians
lot of unsatisfied souls commenting for this video....
Seriously