Cambodians started worshiping Shiva through Hindu preachers, monks & market forces
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In the medieval world, many royals in Southeast Asia worshiped gods who originated in India, such as Shiva and Vishnu. But why? Anirudh Kanisetti explains the dynamics involved in this process, including the activities of Pashupata missionaries and the ambitions of emerging states in Cambodia.
Sources:
Cecil, Elizabeth A. Mapping the Pāśupata Landscape: Narrative, Place, and the Śaiva Imaginary in Early Medieval North India. Brill, 2020.
Chandler, David. A History of Cambodia. Routledge, 2018.
Nandi, Ramendra Nath. Religious Institutions and Cults in the Deccan, c. AD 600-AD 1000. Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, 1973.
Sanderson, Alexis. "The Śaiva Religion Among the Khmers Part I." Bulletin de l'École française d'Extrême-Orient (2003): 349-462.
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Brilliant!!! You very deftly separated our inherent need to satisfy our nationalistic pride from the real reasons for the spread of the religion and how the religion adapted to the local needs
That is the reason this people are hired for in the first place.
Whatever the reason maybe for the spread of our religion it was done “peacefully”
Just one objective analysis of history. People call you as pesudo intellectual, left leaning, western influence, brainwashed.. Wow!
I think you are on right track. Yours is perfect anecdote for too much of over hype going on.
Dear VishwaMitran, I consider him a pseudo intellectual. Have you seen any videos of this guy talking about the greatness of the native culture and traditions of this land of India? If so without adding a handful of some salt in the form of some riders or contradictions at the end? Now, check the title again. Take a moment. Let me tell you, believe it or not, He is a gentle intellectual terrorist against the Hindu community part of a group that is mandated to work on us at the psychological level. Motivated to justify the injustices and atrocities that are in progress against a passive Hindu population and preparing the ground and justification for what will come next. He wants you believe you that once upon a time your religion was spread by preaching and destroyed the cultures and traditions of those communities and it is righteous justice that your community here should be converted and you should abandon your links to your forefathers and mutely watch your community being cornered, diluted and harassed finally and obliterated. He is nothing but a soldier in an army that has been developed to work on your mind. And many of us applause at what he is saying not realizing that he is spitting on us and we are dancing and licking and celebrating the spit.
Pride in the real achievements of the Indic schools of thought and learning is often undermined by the nonsensical claims of exaggerated achievements or conspiratorially imagined fears that are probably due to inferiority complexes or nationalistic fantasies of supremacy both of which confound a clear and sensible discourse. Thanks to the narrator for his insistence on sticking to the factual perspective and leaving room for complexity in the narrative.
very illuminating .. Sharp, incisive and succinct.. Thoroughly enjoyed the lecture.. I really look forward to each edition.. Congratulation on brilliant work being done to educate us on lesser known aspects of our history
Angur Watt is dedicated to Vishnu not Shiva
Also there is no temples in North India that adheres to the "Agamas" except for South Indian temples & South east Asian hindu temples.
Does this not mean the Agamas were defined in south India that were later translated to sanskrit
Also Linking Lakulisha to Skanda Purana is not clear. There is a debate that Skanda(of North India) is different from Murugan (of South India).
By virtue of south india's culture , Murugan has different back story in Tamil that was later adapted into Sanskrit literature by scholars. Same as the case of adopting Shiva's story.
Rig Veda (Oldest of sanskrit literature) has no references to Shiva as "Shiva or Pasupathi". Rudra references are made with respect to god of fire (agni). Indra was the principal god.
The interlacation of sanskrit literature with the story of native gods of south india has obfuscated the interpretation of history. Need more research & proofs
Sir, you are bringing out great stuff
Anirudh,
Only you are claiming that Indians taught SE Asians everything.
Not rest of the Indians. Stop painting your prejudices on the rest of your countrymen and women 😜
Exactly, this shithead thinks his stereotypes of some people are true and goes on to narrate a story to somehow show the imaginary people as stupid, in the process making himself stupid!
Not really. Most Indians think that indians taught everything to the world.
@@yj9032 Do you have any tangible proofs like survey data? Otherwise, it's just a stereotype based on one's limited anecdotal experience.
Other than that, there is tangible evidence of Indian contribution to humanity in many field's. By painting everyone as saying they believe Indians taught 'Everything' to the world negates tangible contributions. Example - First surgery of the human nose in the world described in Sushruta Samhita but many people believe this is false. So should i say people like Kanni boy believe Indian's didn't contribute anything to humanity?
No, that would be wrong. So overbearing generalisation in social studies is wrong.
@@yj9032 na... we only call ourselves Viswaguru. Nothing else... otherwise we are pious, humble self 😌
@6:11 - Is the ritual same as the Hiranyagarbha Dana?
Good would be better without ur wry comments about how we were trying to be missionaries
Very informative indeed. I have visited Cambodia and Indonesia. years ago. I was under the impression south Indian prince Jaya Varman/Surya Varman married a local princess and established Hindu rule. Angkor vat is 3 times the size of vatican.
false. suryavarman was khmer. cambodia was indians in the 1st century AD. 1000 years before angkor suryavarmans reign
Exceptional!
Cholas the king of Indian Ocean 👑....from Ganges to maldives from north to south and lakshadweep to Phillipines from west to east is the chola sphere of influence ...most powerful empire of their times
some people can't digest the idea of peaceful cultural expansion. lol Dharma doesn't do "missionary work", it doesn't need to
'peaceful cultural expansion'? 😂. You seem to live in a fantasy land.
If you can't digest the truth then please don't come on internet.
Exactly, this man is trying to attach these terms like, Conversion and missionary to Hinduism which has been the notorious acts of Christianity and Islam.
there literary were buddhist missionaries like boddhidharma or padmasambhava. stop trying to pretend indians did not send missionaries.
i like your work Mr.aniruth,,, try to provide long lectures weekly once,,,(1 hour or so,,,)
Very interesting, I like your take on it, I really like this segment on the Print, keep it up.
Such awesome work man!
Please dont make it an opinion piece. Talk about unbiased history. Selectively picking up and showing what suits your narrative is not history.
He has the right to talk whatever he wants, as long as he backs it up with knowledge and evidence. If you don’t want to watch, just go. You don’t leave unnecessary comments. I love Shiva and everyone loves him, what’s wrong with you? Do you HATE Shiva?
Good one....
The problem with this view of history is that every single thing that occurs in history is due to economic, class, military factors, etc; its all about power. But in reality, individuals and huge groups gravitate towards different spiritual movements all the time, which often have huge impacts. Look at the Shaivite temple in Hawaii, for example. Its just thousands of people who enjoy that specific theology, metaphysics, worldview and spiritual practice. Yet has a massive impact.
Some parts are hard to comprehend Anirudh. You should give some examples to clarify. It is disappointing that we have to quote some unknown so called experts from the west to understand our own history.
What exactly is disappointing? Experts are hardly ever celebrities and thus usually unknown. Unbiased expertise should be valuable even if it comes from the west. Just like the Cambodians were not hesitant to take from India, their "western" neighbor.
Why are you saying Hindu missionaries.
We know what Christian missionaries did to the world.
Can't it be?
@@alraziosmany Yes.He is anti hindu.
What's your problem?
Missionary and conversion words are entitled to Christianity and Islam. This pseudo-historian is trying to attach these words to Hinduism. There is no concept of conversion or even missionary establishment in Sanatan Dharma. Later, Buddhists adopted this, but with not the sick mentality like western and middle-east religions.
@@alraziosmany tell me what's the origin of the word "Missionary" & then tell me how a religion pre-dating Christianity can be Missionary in nature. These are not fancy loose words to use wherever we feel so. Nearly 2 centuries of physical & mental colonisation along with Christian missionary campaigns have their deep rooted adverse affects in our society, then why to look at something so Indic in nature with western colonial lense?
Narrative building through selective citations has done its toll of damage in this society for too long, it won't be tolerated anymore
You have carefully selected authors to push your own narrative and whitewashed the ancient religion as mere missionary work, great! Also, add some more authors from the west as references so that we can learn more about our religion.
So what if hindus were missionary? Your statement has exposed your extremist/fundamentalist mindset.
@@yj9032 Check where the word 'missionary' originated before becoming the judge, jury, and executioner. 'Extremist/fundamentalist mindset' where do you come up with these words and took upon the authority to label people?
@@yj9032 these rss historians are making up a history where hinduism was always present in cambodia. seriously they should read the story of kaundinya.
Its build by mahayan buddhism the architecture represent mahayana buddist architecture you clearly see this information in a combodia government.
This author is heavily left influenced, very difficult to change his views.
Quoting only select western historians, who have a completely different views on how Indians worship the divine.
Indian historians and hindutva historians spread fake history to appease hindu vote bank politics.
They have Whitewashed hindus and show them are good to appease egos of hindus like you.
I'm enjoying the Hindu extremists crying in comments on your usage of words like 'missionary' and 'conversion'.
Keep up the good work buddy.
I am enjoying your desperation! Such loose manipulation is caught so easily that a common people finds this false narrative.
YJ, Watch ex muslim Sahil , Sachwala, Sameer, Adam Seeker and others on TH-cam. Your majhabi problem would be solved.
And yet here you are crying about "Hindu Extremists" in the comments crying about the usage of the words "missionary" and "conversion". 😂 It takes two to tango.
Ur wording of missionary, conversion are unwarranted...It's clearly shows ur growing up with left lectured ideas.
They are not had words. your statement clearly shows your extremist mindset.
Yes. it is clearly visible, Kiran. He is so young but perfectly brainwashed by his left circle. Such pity to see our youngsters are becoming pseudo-intellectual.
@@yj9032 Words are not bad. They are just words. It is the intentions of missionaries and conversion factories that are evil. Conversion and missionaries are intolerance at their core. Intolerance towards the existence of the "other". A missionary converts Hindus and persuades them to abandon their culture and traditions because he hates to see that existence of Hindu values, traditions and culture and people. So conversion by thought word deed and idea is violence, clothed in nice words and white robes.
Just because you don't find it favourable, you frame it as left leaning.
You can continue preferring Keerthi History 😜
@@sauravsuresh6388 These are not just left leaning. But vicious lies. anti Bharati. Anti me. Its time every bharati gets the Kshatra spirit. The spirit of war. Why should I tolerate people and institutions that are against me? Time to hound them in the real world. The digital trolling is not enough. The trolling should happen to them in the society where they walk. Because they have the audacity to shit on the society that nourished them. The tolerance that accepted a little hatred and sabotage as human tendencies. Enough.
Issue is all the references are about european historians... are there no indian historians who studied deep about india/indian religious history? Or all of them are politically inclined like romila thapper(extremely left wing) or any right wing?
First in which place worshipping siva strated
Sanatana Dharma wasn't born by someone or one day so pin pointing place of 1000s of old worshipping is impossible .. jyotirlinga, Shakti pitha exist all over India..
@@jaymabharti982 i mean Rama was born Ayodhya where did siva born then which Kingdom starting worshipping siva that's my question
@@swaroopadapa51 it's not like Rama worship started from ayodhya or Krishna from gujrat .. that's not how it happens .. this things are 1000s years old so exact pin point thing won't work here .. Rama, krishna, Mahabharata is a part of historical scriptures and Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma is the main Trinity.. so it's a little difficult to say .. we have main shiv temples, Shakti temples all over India .. they aren't local god ..
@@swaroopadapa51 Shiva didn't born he is swayambhu that means self created , Shiva doesn't have any parentage he first appeared in upper part of Himalayas near kailasa and manasarovar, Saptha Rishis are his first 7 decipiles , who initiated civilizations throughout the world , where Shiva worship first started if that is the question then answer is Tibet (modern day part of China ) , Yogi sitting in padmasana with snakes and animals around seal was found during indus valley excavation he was named as pasupathi so Shiva worship started way back in pre Vedic era ( Aryan migration happened between 8000 to 11000 years ago as new proofs ) Shiva comes from the age even before that
@@swaroopadapa51 Rama , Krishna , Arjuna , Aswwthama , Ravana everyone worshipped Shiva you are hero or villain or divine or devil everyone worshiped Shiva as Mahadeva ( great god ) and pasupathi (lord of all life forms )
Cambodia was multi-religious and there are other austroasiatic group that are cousin to the Khmer that did not follow hinduism most were animalist.
animist not animalist lol
Cambodian now day believe on two religion, Buddha 97% and 65% believe Hindu too. focus on God Visnu, Brahma, Shiva, Indra, God Vishnu Cambodian call Preah Noreay mean Narayna.
97% buddist and 65% hindu= 162%. how bro!
@@jaymabharti982 I mean Cambodian hold both religion
@@Sastrakhmer yeah, buddists stole the world's largest hindu temple ..
@@jaymabharti982 And some in India crying about that thing Hindu forced Buddist to leave Buddhism. Buddhism it self is a religion of thief 😂😂😂👍
@@ratri6110 yeah, sab chori kar kar k baithe hai ।। Budda was against marriage but now you will see buddist marriage ।। Just read tripitak ।। Your thinking of buddism will change for Ever ।। Casteism, misogyny var var k dala hua hai ..
which FORCES were responsible for your birth ?
Why are you crying? 😂
When Irfan Habib and Romila Thapar are mixed, Anirudh appears to take forward their legacy of manipulation.
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Your clipped accent cannot further obfuscate the sanghi biased view kanisetti kiddo!
Although you sprinkle _India_ all over in your speech and refuse to acknowledge, it was the *millenial old Tamil reigns of cholas, pandiyas and later pallavas* had commerical and military ties with south east Asian nations throughout history. Karaikkal ammaiyar travelled to Cambodia as early as 4th century. Pallava kings had marital ties with cambodian kings in 6th century. Infact mehendravarman 3 was a cambodian prince on his fathers side.
A next generation of historians like Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib is ready to take forward the legacy of historical-manipulation using selective citations and words. This time, Mr. Anirudh is attaching the terms like, "Missionary", "Conversion" with Hinduism that has been the notorious act of Christianity and Islam. Sorry, I am much aware than you think and would never buy your misinformations.
Thank you M90 Art. Not many are able to see through the intellectual subversion being carried out on them.
@@randa9958 Thank you! Yes, but now there is counter and many of us counter them strongly. I'm happy for that.
All architectural structures and iconography depict clearly is a Buddhist monastery. And Nepal all Hindu temple is of Buddhist just refer to Japanese scholars research on 108 forms of Budhisavtta avalokitesharva. Fake propaganda
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Why you are against our heritage and pride. Every cultural pride comes out of market forces
It is a disease that comes with swallowing the pill of Marxism. These fools think they are being cool by making such BS remarks. Unlike the west, from where this ideology has been slavishly mindlessly adopted by some spineless Indians, India was not a powerful coloniser country of the last few centuries that destroyed and impoverished its colonies. India itself was a colony and it was ravaged and plundered thoroughly and its people left totally destitute and famished. We cannot therefore apply western lens to understand our ancient past. We have to take pride in the achievements of our ancient past as that helps in inspiring young Indians who are rising out of centuries of poverty. But these fools don’t have that foresight unfortunately.
Saivism
Just another “white” influenced historian
Mr.aniruth Your theory have so many lies and not based on facts so kindly visit Rational World channel to clarify and stop spreading half baked truth
Are you nuts
No one said, we "colonised" Cambodia or anything like that. You are making your own prejudice allegation to push your story as a counter. Just say what you have.
5:22 Again, false assumption
"national pride", "national pride", "national pride"? WTF dude. When did we assume Hinduism in south east Asia as "national pride". If anything, that is Hindu pride or Dharmic pride. Nepal has Hindus, so? Is it "national pride" ?
Nepalese, Cambodians, Indonesians, Thai, Burmese, Vietnamese, they have as much claim on Hinduism as India. They have contributed to it. They own it.
You have a point but Bhagawat ji uses Hindu and Indian synonymously as our national identity, shouldn’t we take national pride then in Hindu societies and their achievements of the past. Your protest against taking national pride suggests that you’re confusing nation with state. Happy to be corrected brother.
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Shaivism originated from Kashmir by Brahmins. Not from Tamil Nadu or South India.
Yes bro but lord Shiva is for every Sanatani Hindus🕉️🚩
There is variant of shaivism followed in Kashmir that doesn't mean shaivism started in Kashmir , it was started in Tibet when Shiva first appeared to saptha rishis , Sage Augustya took it to down of vindhyas that was his assignment there it grew to new heights and later Kumara(Karthikeya ) went to south and he made that as his homeland and left his body standing at kumara parvatha in Karnataka
Thennanadudiye sivaney potri.meaning Shiva is south origin .
@Abhishek Iyer bullshit .Shiva is never considered an Aryan he is swayambu no race no parentage no birth .the reason why people associate with him to the south and why shaivism is strong in south india.is becus he ruled pandya Nadu in ancient times alongside Meenakshi Amman which is why most significant temples of Sivan are in the south .
Whatever u shout ...nothing changes truth ...shiva is a tamil god of south india...