Well, look at it this way. In the original game, Sans says you oughta do the right thing if you're a time traveler. He might not be aware of this in TS!Underswap, but the same principle applies. Why get your hands dirty if you know there's another way?
@@ProtonSpriter Why should i go out of my way and also suffer just to do something right by someone ? If monsters want to live,they should take a hint and become spareable when their hp is low...
Mf is simping for Muffet at this point lmao Edit: fr tho, at some point in the fight, after she told to sans « Keep that attitude up, and you'lI become a Pastry yourself~ » he responded « sounds like fun. » There is NO way sans doesn’t simp for her
Finally, A version of sans that actually tries to save other monsters as much as he can. Even in geno he delays you from killing most of the monsters. A very fun and interesting take rather than depressed/outright edgy sans.
now the muffet part I find kind of dumb. "I expected nothing less of a human" bro you literally just kidnapped a child and two of their protectors, tried to kill them and bake them into treats and now you're mad because that kid wants you dead? and how Papyrus says they weren't in any real danger- wasn't sans trying to, y'know, kill them? sure they're recording a bit but it's still hurting them
I think monsters just aren't aware of how weak human children can be. Like in base Undertale, none of them really comment ahout how they're about to kill you (in pacifist). Even Toriel only realizes what she's done AFTER she kills you (her expression in a split second).
@@kachosuffer7 that can excuse papyrus, but muffet was 100% set on killing the human that was the entire point of kidnapping them, no? kill and bake? how can anyone defend that -
@@girosvaldodeskate2214 not like she knows that. for all she cares and knows you just fall like a sack of bricks when you die. the point is she wants to kill chara
this makes me really think of crossbones as just sans if he wasn't sad, and decide not to give up like in undertale, here he really trays to make us a good person, rather then sans who just keeps watching us and does nothing, + crossbones seem to get as much sleep as he needs unlike, sans who just overworks himself.
@@jasan9973 Are you sure he talks about it alot in the Genocide Route he even mentions the Surface like he has been there and that would tie in with Deltarune.
@@Ostr0 He doesn't know what happens in other timelines. He only knows that they EXIST because of research he did. Deltarune isn't another timeline but a different universe. And lastly, Sans never says that he knows what the surface is like, he only says that getting there doesn't really appeal to him.
To be fair, he apparently holds the child to a higher standard. Probably cause he’s still aware of their reset ability. And because their power is far stronger then any one monster alone. He even says in the evacuation route fight, that he feels as if Chara has a bigger responsibility to do the right thing first instead of monsters. Great power comes great responsibility or something like that. With his own justified, albeit not completely full-proof arguments.
@@cantmakeacreativename2072His defense of muffet is debunked by the fact that only he knows that you might have resetting, as far as muffet knew she was going to kill and bake you and you wouldn't come back.
@@cantmakeacreativename2072His defense of muffet is debunked by the fact that only he knows that you might have resetting, as far as muffet knew she was going to kill and bake you and you wouldn't come back.
@@ScuffedWarden sure. Again I never said it was a fool-proof argument. However it is one that Sans clearly stands by for his own reasons. And to his credit, it does have some merit to it.
That's why, I imagine, so many fangames are left unfinished. When your making a demo it's way easier to put a ton of care and detail, but once you start to get farther in development it becomes nigh impossible to keep track of. Team Switched seems pretty dedicated, and Undertale Yellow proves it's possible, so I think they'll manage it eventually.
seems like they'll all merge into neutral, like UT. except maybe evacuation route? if you dont cook with muffet or dont hangout with sans it'll probably lock you into neutral. Just dialogue and maybe some interactions may change, which undertale had a LOT so im not worried seeing the size of the team compared to og UT.
@@dumbpro555It just gonna take atleast half amount of time it took for Undertale Yellow to pull it off,which is quite alot but its worth it honestly Need someone to make Underfell like that
@@aasdkoaskdasddad6515 id imagine they would all have the same final boss, prob Temmie or Flowey, and in pacifist Monster Kid, (also I think the person alongside sans and papyrus in the booth in the festival is Asriel, in og underswap Asriel and MK switch) Edit: nvm I forgot about Flowey, this is really confusing, unless MK is flowey, honestly for some reason I trust flowey here but I feel like I will be tricked, he helps you no matter the route
@@aasdkoaskdasddad6515You seem disapointed by neutral in Undertale, but those ending are very diverse, you don't need specific boss and name to diverse good neutral paths.
I definitely still think that OG Sans doesn't intervene in Undertale is because he is still bound to his job as the "Judge". He doesn't really have this restriction in this universe, so that's why he can intervene more freely.
@@rogueemperor5142 Also, in Undertale, he's aware you can reset and come back, so instead of trying, he guilt trips you for every bad thing you do in judgement hall and the phone call. In genocide, he knows he can't guilt trip us, so he makes us rage quit.
In Undertale it's not because of his role as a "judge", but instead that he promised Toriel to not hurt you, and because of that, he can't make any attempts to stop you. But here he never made a promise, so he is fully capable of stopping you earlier if he needs to, or at the very least, trying to help others.
I get why sans doesnt want you to fight, but for muffet it doesn't make any sense. She literally tries to kill you, an innocent child, and then she has the audacity to call you a bad person for fighting back!
@@Senkerly_senkerson In Undertale Sans won't care much who you kill, unless it's his brother he'll be upset, from then on he won't blame you for almost anything, even if you abort the pacifist route by killing Asgore, what happens is that many fan mades do sans a kind of morality fighter when his role is only to be a judge of your actions
@@Elpato568 I mean yeah but shouldn’t the same logic apply to muffet? he doesn’t care that muffet got killed in undertale, nor any enemies in this game
i was doing neutral and before sparing koffin decided to see what happens if you kill him. i tried to deal the final blow in some different scenarios (before and after checking on him) and sans still just picks him up but instead of "really?" says "miss me?", then the following dialogue is the same. honestly pretty sad this game doesnt give you many choices of who to kill or not...
iirc, if you are on neutral (not evac route) and have a high lv (I had 7 lv), he would be mad and say that children that may be in the wheel are very impressionable and you set a very bad example fot them
Sans seems much more. . . Aware of us resetting in this AU, as opposed to normal Undertale where he tells by your expression and his secret codeword. I have my own problems with that sort of interpretation of him anyway, but that's probably the only reason I can think of for why he'd grill us for attempting to Kill Muffet, since this is about as Self-defencey as you can get. You don't see him holding her accountable for anything she did, like her tying up and trying to kill a child. Or even her succeeding at that multiple times. It's all about their responsibility to reset and do the right thing. "I didn't think you had it in you" as if every fight hadn't been a fight to the death up to that point in the aisles anyway. I'd use oppression from humans as an excuse, but Muffet is literally a cannibal who would eat her fellow monster if it was convenient for her and is singlehandedly the reason hotland's and core's Genocide route is possible in the main universe. I don't like Muffet, and Sans being preachy about it isn't working. He clearly picks and chooses who he wants to save and Chara clearly ain't on that list. I like that he does at least do more to help in the ruthless route though. That was something I always held against him in the OG game. They clean up his act in that route, but sorta make him insufferable otherwise
"Do you think even the worst person can change? That they can be a better person, if they just try?" -Sans, Undertale He probably also believed you would change, like papyrus believed, and he also had a promise to keep, his only promise in probably a long time Also I'd say they did a good job evacuating in geno, when they realized what was happening everyone in town hid, in waterfall I'm sure undyne evacuated the most she could, in hotland and core they had a lot of people inside the true lab, the only safe place in the only path from the beginning to the barrier, but couldn't evacuate the 40 monsters left because of Muffet, monsters are kind, they won't leave anyone behind, and u already mentioned what happened
That doesn't really answer my question. Because at least mid pacifist there's nothing for Chara to change for. He's all like "I didn't think you'd try to kill her" when he admits to assisting in manufacturing this false sense of danger himself. I'm not saying he should've let Muffet die, "A hero saves everyone, even the villains", I'm just saying that was entirely on him. He shouldn't have been surprised about it, and Muffet is still an awful person.
@@hellotherechap1784 Honestly I think he only said that out of frustration (he says no matter what you did in "the past" aka other playthroughs he only tolerates you for others). I don't think it's actually true or else he wouldn't invite you to hang out in his lair, he would be trying to push you away as soon as possible. Iirc he says that if you "kill" crossbones and come back
@@hellotherechap1784 Yuup that one too. I half wonder how true that is since you hang out with him and everything in pacifist, but even then if you don't do anything wrong in the OG game he still threatens you in the resort. So maybe he does know what he's talking about
@void8027 Maybe i would if they would just back down when neccessary instead of keeping trying to murder me in cold blood Weakest race my ass, it doesnt matter if they still are ones who trying to kill me in first place
@void8027 Очевидно что если от получения определенного количества урона в душу ты умираешь, то естественно ты будешь чувствовать боль от таких попаданий Я то не страдают, а вот Чара от каждой атаки в лицо страдает более чем т.к они не марионетка как ясно из некоторых диалогов и в большей степени в руте Эвакуации Возможность загрузиться это ни разу не оправдание тому что я якобы должен пытаться быть паинькой и давать меня безнаказанно избивать Я то могу пощадить, только пусть монстры для этого будут столь добры и свалят с моего пути по добру по здорову, а если пара тройка ударов не убедительны, то их смерть это их вина т.к уже было достаточно показано что монстры МОГУТ пощадить на низком хп когда им это захочется, включая мини боссов
@void8027 Я называют его лицемером потому что как меня убивают так все окей, а как только я бью в ответ я сразу злодей, хотя он прекрасно знает если бы я хотел таковым быть я бы старался гораздо лучше Игнорируя факт что даже с связанными Сансом и Папсом ты более чем можешь умереть в бою с Маффет и Санс даже костью не пошевелит
@void8027 Проблема TS Свап Санса в том что он судит меня за малейшие проступки как будто я маньяк какой-то, а не убил Азгора чтобы доказать что я могу пройти дальше, убил Догамми и Догарессу ибо тупые они(Догго я пощадил, убить его в субмарине нельзя а в не субмарины он драться не настроен) и малого пса тоже ибо тупой как пробка По итогу я мудак и вообще как так можно У обычного Санса с низким LV претензий нет, ты убил нескольких монстров, бывает, ты самозащищаешься и иногда приходится или случайно переступаешь грань, это нормально, проходи, а TS Свап строит из этого сраную трагедию и мыльную оперу хотя я уверен что оба знают монстров в своем мире в одинаковой степени хорошо Поэтому я и называют TS Свапа лицемером
@void8027 И поэтому я и говорю Они делают свою работу, а я хочу сбежать из этого места, они не отступают, значит смерть, все просто Я более чем уверен по факту что их никто не осудит и их вины не будет если их пересилит человек и они будут вынуждены спасаться, но они решили стоять до концы С малым псом там ситуация что у него буквально интеллект собачий так что умом он то уж точно не блещет
Yeah er,i get that he's a super hero and must defense his kind and all but I don't think the dialogue about self defense works as well with muffet of all people. Edit:seen people saying that crossbones is talking to the player instead of chara and yeah,that added way more context behind his word
2:20 i tried to do the same thing with koffin-k to, but i did it after he turned his back and got a different dialouge, the detail in this game is incredible.
This was actually the first thing I tried on my first playthrough. I was so curious of what Sans and Papyrus' reactions would be if I killed Muffet (yes i'm a psychopath).
Makes sense sans isn’t gonna let you kill someone in front of him and his brother. He knows you’re a time traveller and he knows that you can beat muffet without killing, especially since humans are canonically wayyy stronger then monsters
For some reason I can't get it out of my head the urge to kill him, just... To see what he'd say or do, truly facing death. I don't know why it bothers me that he's untouchable, no matter the route He's my favorite too
I think people forget Superheroes usually don't kill their villains or enemies. Which perfectly fits into Crossbones' character and how even if it's a bit hypocritical, heroes do have to save everyone. Even if they're the villains. It's not an action of "logic". It's an action of one's belief. And that is Crossbones' character. Although same can't be said for Sans
probably the only thing i dislike about this fangame is just how stupidly powerful sans is literally the only monsters we know are stronger are flowey and the temmies, thats it! not even asgore compares to the stupidly strong super-powered skeleton! edit: what i mean is that he is entirely untouchable, and prevents you from defending yourself he literally just ignores damage in the neutral fight! overly long reasons why i think he is OP 1. Entirely untouchable. Sans in UT can't just stop time and place a cardboard cutout in front of him in the time it takes to attack! 2. Sans saves Muffet and Koffin K, but not Chara in either of these fights. Sans claims kids were watching during the second fight, and he just lets Chara die. What a hero, relying on powers he doesn't know exist. (He is lucky Chara can reset) 3. Isn't the human supposed to be stronger than EVERY SINGLE MONSTER COMBINED!? Sans easily tosses the human around in the start of the Ruthless fight. UT Sans doesn't instantly send you flying out of judgement hall, does he? 4. He has literally no weaknesses. UT Sans could tire out, Crossbones, however? Practically nothing until Ruthless, and even then he still put up the cutout at the end. You can disagree with me, but I do in fact think that TS!Underswap Sans is OP. (I love literally everything else about the fangame, this is just a small issue to me) I probably went overboard... Oh well.
I mean that's kind of always been the case with Sans, his fight is the hardest in Undertale for a reason. But in Undertale he's depressed, listless, and bound by a promise, so he has no interest in intervening, unlike Superhero Sans.
Strong-willed? Yes. Steadfast? Yes. But he isn’t **strong** in the typical sense. His physical strength doesn’t carry his character, it’s his confidence and willpower to actively help others.
@@aasdkoaskdasddad6515 he just doesnt show up until one fight, dodges for 20 or so turns and then dies though i do think the regular sans fight is far harder than all crossbones fights combined, weirdly enough
I'm sorry sans I guess I should be more considerate after A 1000 FOOT DROP, POSSIBLE CONCUSSION, EVERYBODY BEING AFTER MY SOUL, THE FACT IVE D I E D BEFORE TO THESE MONSTERS, but oooooh fighting back is bad and killing them is bad SHUT YOUR MOUTH SANS THEY STRUCK FIRST AND THAT ONE WANTS TO BAKE ME INTO A MUFFIN AND THAT ONE KIDNAPPED ME
Before you start raging even more, I'll tell you something sans tries to explain to you in the main undertale You have the power to survive to them, you're strongest than every being in the fucking planet because of that, you have a power that people can only DREAM about. Don't you think you have the responsibility to use that power for the greater good? specially knowing that you KNOW you can spare them and end everything peacefully? think about it.
@@ShyGhost_69 I mean I guess, but dying still hurts and monsters getting butthurt about you attacking back while they’re trying to kill you is stupid because *theyre* the one after your soul in the first place
@@mrmeepbeep4239 They don't complain about getting hurt back, in fact, they don't react at it at all and you can even spare them at low health. They complain at you wanting to kill them, something that already crosses the line of self defense, and now take in account what I told you earlier. Do you see it now?
Sans is just hypocrite here. When muffet kills chara 10 times oh its OKEY, he won't intervene, but when you kill muffet he immedeatly does! If you didn't wanted chara to kill muffet, HOW ABOUT HELPING THEM, UH, YOU HYPOCRITE?
Funniest fact that muffet is ready to kill us and will do it when she can but if we try to do it after getting beaten up she says "as expected from a human"
@@AliceEyler alright 1. Everyone except a selected few characters know about your saving power.If you die a thousand times you can still try again. In this fangame, I can only think of three. 2.Simple really, sans knows you're invincible, so why bother even saving you? Also, do you realize that sans is simply choosing a fellow monster rather than a human he met five minutes ago.
Honestly, this Muffet fight gave me a lot of food for thought (long text ahead, sorry). Some people are having discussions on the comments about morality and if you have the right to act in self defense if you can't die, but I feel like they're taking it in a very generalized level. Notice how Muffet (and specifically this fight from TS, not the one from UT) is the ONLY one causing this resentment. Usually this kind of discussion doesn't even happen in regards to Undertale, which is also weird on itself given how violence against enemies who are trying to kill you usually feels natural in other games. It can't just be the whole time traveller argument. There's something in the Undertale formula that makes being a pacifist feel easy and rewarding, and it isn't present in this fight. And there is a formula. Frisk has barely any characterization or feelings, so you can't get attached to the one being attacked. The monsters feel silly and humanized, so you don't get threatened. The battle themes are such a vibe and don't give the fighting for your life feeling. And all of that changes when you're confronting Flowey or Asriel, causing dread and anger on the player like a switch, who does so happens to be the true antagonist of the game, indicating Toby knew what he was doing. The same happens in this game, all of the characters feel friendly and when the tension does rise up, the enemy is either someone you care about (Asgore) or the real antagonists (the Temmies). But in this fight, despite it seemingly not having that much relevance in the overall game, gets the same treatment that would raise the stakes. Muffet feels malicious and sadistic, which makes you feel threatened, the fact Muffet is trying to bake an actual person is given much more weight, Chara has personality and feels like an actual child with feelings, the skelebros literally react to you dying and there isn't any lesson about "giving mercy gets you mercy in return" cause Muffet does NOT actually spare you. If you're someone who gets easily emotionally invested in games, it might just feel wrong, specially with Sans straight up shaming you and acting like you dying is no big deal. It really feels like they did this in purpose. I wonder why.
The "you have infinite lives" argument doesn't make sense anyway if Chara doesn't know they can revive. If you haven't died by this point (very easy to do) then Chara has no idea that they will survive if they are killed. So Sans just looks dumb trying to say this to a kid in danger (and no, sans has never shown any sign that he knows there's a player involved). What he describes (killing someone who is actively trying to kill you) is literally self defense word for word
People keep talking about muffet part. Ok, lets get this straight. Muffet deal is to kill human to: 1. keep the bakery up. 2. sell his soul to "somebody" (probably temmie, but it doesnt matter). First of all, monsters still need one last soul to break the barrier, dont forget about undertale canon. every monster in undertale attack you to send your soul to asgore (toriel in ts!us). they literally HAVE to kill you no matter what. There is no toriel to ask sans to watch over child. there is a damn asgore who's friends with papyrus (like toriel friends with sans), thats why, basically, PAPYRUS has to be the one who watch over the child and NOT let muffet kill him. Noone asked SANS to defend the child.So if muffet kills chara, *BOOM* happy ending for monsters and freedom. Anyway, as sans says, he just wanted to see how chara actually act when she is attacked. Its just like trying to kill froggit at the start of ruined home. Asgore saves froggit (btw if you attack froggit poorly he wont actually defend him, just say that human is scared by froggit,and as i seen, weakest attack deals ~10 damage, which was half of froggit hp. Strongest attack could literally one shot froggit) and sans saves muffet from literal death.
Actually, not all monsters in Undertale can tell you're a human. The rabbit shopkeeper can't tell you're a human since in the pacifist epilogue, she says she heard a human was the reason they were free and says she'll give them a hero's welcome completely unaware that is you, Bratty and Catty are also unaware you're a human as they say they are totally hyped for the destruction of humanity and in the pacifist epilogue you can tell them you're a human they act suprised and claim that when they said they were hyped for the destruction of humanity, they were joking. Also, Burgerpants mentions that if Asgore gets one more soul, he will have a chance of achieving his dream of acting on the surface and given how desperate and unhinged Burgerpants is, he most likely doesn't know you're a human or he would probably try to tear your soul out himself or something like that.
Can you still hang out with sans even if you beat up the greasers, mettacrit, muffet, harry & larry and koffin k? As long as you dont finish crossbones's fight by attacking him?
I Honestly wouldn't be surprised, as you never really level Up your LOVE and fighting is not really making your fights easier. (In fact, crossbone's fight is harder if you attack as ACTing actually helps you survive)
I know the greasers are just like the enemies in Deltarune,mettacrit might count though but possibly not and depending on how Larry and Harry work you probably can't if it's like the genocide route
@@masterblaster38Spared mettacrit because they are smartest mini boss to actually put on yellow name when they are low hp lol Im literally LV 7 neutral only because i crit too much or minibosses refuse to let me spare them
if you fight mettacrit at the right time it doesnt end pacifist, when he's hinting at you to give him a twist, the twist can be you "killing" him which ends the fight sooner but also acts as a spare
I swear the way crossbones teleports into the battle with that giant "MISS" plastered over the screen makes it feel like I'm watching an analog horror and some kinda monster will jump out at me😭
Lo de sans seria valido de no ser porque básicamente hablamos de alguien aparentemente peligrosa con 3 rehenes, entre ellos un superheroe, y trata de deshacerse de uno de ellos con ninguna culpa Que si, que le preocupan sus arañas, pero si no fuera por la determinacion dime tu que sería de Chara
It would go more like this: -Since you're way stronger than Muffet, not only because of you being a human yourself, but because of you having power everybody else can only imagine having. you have the responsibility of use your power for good, that means, not killing Muffet.
@@Rubentemira If she stopped fighting when injured, then you would have a point. But she doesn't stop. If the other person keeps fighting even when they are about to die, then it is still self defense.
The question: what if we will try to kill harry and larry in Pacifist i mean in genocide they have infinite snacks for healing which is forces us to push larry right at the cliff but since in Pacificst we fight them in koffin k's office then i am curious does that mean we can do a betrayal kill against them or not
As far as I know, fighting them in pacifist just results in knocking them out no matter how hard you try. I got that in my pacifist playthrough. Im 99 percent sure you cant betray kill them in that fight, since the fight doesn't even end with a prompt to spare
hmmm i dont know, this level of dialogue needs some rework. Sans's logic doesnt make sense here, Muffet *did* tried to kill us, Self Defense is everything important at this point, even if it costs their own death
He literally stop you from killing Muffet despite the fact that SHE IS TRYING TO KILL YOU. Lil bro is Steven Universe thinking that everyone can be forgiven😭😭😭
Also, flower wanted to go straight to Asgore and so did clover up till the wild East I’d argue by comparison Chara in under swap, at least, form my reading, seems more compelled by the player to move forward, then by their own volition therefore, having more time for what I’d consider smelling the roses(ie sticking around and hanging out)
This can be seen in all routes, however, only in the genocide route is it completed in all others clover has priorities change choosing to give up their soul, finally confront Asgore or stay in the underground
don’t see why muffets a victim, when in reality, she follows her undertale counterpart, running a business, of spiders and for spiders, just because she consumes people doesn’t make her any different, plus, YOU’RE A HUMAN, the entire goal of the monsters is to kill you! and sure, she’s fucked up, but still, people simp for ashley in tcoaal.
late comment, but there's some dialogue you missed *muffet:* if this is done on neutral or late evacuation (started in starlight isles), sans and papyrus will know you're a threat to muffet and see if you can change. if you don't, you're left alone in the room with sans. he goes dark in the eyes and says "get out of here", you're teleported outside and can't interact with muffet any further *harry and larry:* if you attack and defeat them, they'll be knocked unconscious and the fight will end in koffin's room rather than outdoors. when one falls, the other will attempt to avenge them unless you turned them against one another beforehand, in which they'll start laughing *koffin-k:* actually a really in-depth fight when it comes to endings. i believe your result was from having attacked muffet before. if you're on true compassion and attack koffin, sans will ask what exactly that was supposed to be, then drop the question and proceed normally. i'm not sure of the nature behind this, but i did a max exp non-evacuation neutral run and *didn't* betray koffin, attacked upfront. he actually realized that i was trying to kill him and was in shock. sans put him away and had a speech about how there were children on the crowl jewel watching the fight. koffin's character sheet changed to "status: protected" and ended with "that last look he gave me...". out of curiosity i got a game over in the crossbones fight as that's the only way to see him again (can't date sans on neutral), unfortunately they didn't account for that
@@Cats4life777 Yes, but the other humans didn't have that opportunity, and anyway monsters are the ones who choose to be killed, And in any case there may be enemies so difficult that you need to become strong if you don't want to die numerous times and for a human child death remains a trauma.
@@Cats4life777 Perhaps the human child doesn't want to repeat life or death battles and deal with the mental or physical pain of each death. I mean, there's nothing stopping muffet from calling off the fight when she's low on health. Her death would be entirely her fault; why is she the one excluded from moral judgement?
@@goingunleashed5826 Freakin yes If every boss monster would simply be spareable via low hp there would be ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES,but no, every monster just NEEDS to be a stubborn idiot who gonna let themself die rather than live another day and let human child pass to next guard post Thus why Koffin-K and Mettacrit are smartest out here,bruh Also Sans,you can attack him all you want but you can just spare him at end of fight and its fine
@@skell6134 monsters that can be spared make sense not to kill them, but there are monsters that even on the verge of death remain firm on not being spared, so i don't mind honestly.
if you try to kill koffin K without trying to kill muffet, the dialogue will be a lil different. Crossbones says "What was that" but not in charachter(the voice is sans' not crossbones') Koffin would comically say "what was what" and it's the same after that
I don't find UTY's characters that interesting. I mean, they are cool, but it feels like you have too little time to get attached to them. Though, this game does pretty good job expanding underground's world. I also like neutral and no mercy endings
@@begemotish3726 Yeah,i can understand you. And Ceroba storyline is seems for me kinda rushed. But other than that the music,atmosphere ,gameplay mechanics,dialogues i found them very well made.
UTY > TS!US (Both are really good fangames but I just prefer the originality of the character plots and geno theme oute of UTY) but thats comparing a complete fangame vs a unfinished one
It's not valid to compare the two in the slightest UTY tries to stick with the original vision of undertale as close as possible, which makes it also inherit all the...restrictions TSUS is an independent from original. It has all the freedoms to innovate and add whatever new cool gimmicks it wants, which might (debatably for some) make it a whole lot better
@peeka_ in case you don't know, TS!US made with the idea of turning Underswap and making characters behave more like their real Undertale counterparts. In other words, TS!US tries to stay as close to Undertale's character writing as possible. Sans is the best example of this. UTY tried to stay away from reusing Undertale content for the record.
@@aquatix5273 I meant it in the production quality side of things. I am fully aware that TSUS is sticking to the original writing. Also, i said UTY sticks to VISION of Undertale. The intentional clunkiness in certain parts to fit right in with the original undertale (which IS NOT bad in any way btw) when compared side by side (Although in some parts the art quality is noticeably better than Undertale, but nevertheless)
@@skell6134of course Bro because if you not befriend sans you don't befriend Alphys( in this universe main royal guard) so yeah if you won't hangout with sans you ruin pacifist route
@@fartmaster6977 This video? He intervenes when you're about to kill muffet, and judges you for it, but when she kills you, he does nothing. That's a unique interaction to non-evacuation neutral, which is a run hardly anyone ever does.
People are so stupid in this comment section… This Sans has a moral Compass like Batman because of PAPYRUS… this Universe seems to show that Papyrus has more of a good way of influencing his morals on Sans so Sans values “life” as much as Bruce Wayne as Batman BECAUSE of Papyrus being able to show Sans that people can change… Sans here is like Bruce Wayne… he doesn’t believe in KILLING in self Defense… He believes in Incapacitation and defeating without killing only because he here believes that even the worst people can change like Papyrus and Batman/Bruce Wayne… that’s why he even GIVES you a chance… but.. he is not FULLY like them… if you are being Chaotic evil and killing everyone that’s when he’s gonna kill you but still regret it. He won’t kill you on the Pacifist route at all… but for Sans/Crossbones unlike Bruce/Batman if he were in those shoes he would probably kill Joker as Batman sooooo yeah that’s the difference but he values life that hasn’t gone “far off” as it seems.
>person tries to kill you and BAKE YOU INTO THEIR MUFFINS
>you try to kill them
>"why did you try to kill that person"
Fr,Sans can eat his hypocrite bs for breakfast
"See, kid, self-defense is not actually self-defense"
Well, look at it this way.
In the original game, Sans says you oughta do the right thing if you're a time traveler. He might not be aware of this in TS!Underswap, but the same principle applies. Why get your hands dirty if you know there's another way?
@@ProtonSpriter Why should i go out of my way and also suffer just to do something right by someone ?
If monsters want to live,they should take a hint and become spareable when their hp is low...
@@ProtonSpriter Why look at it that way if sans himself will be hypocritical about it?
People testing to see what happens always was the best part of these undertale videos for me
Its one of the main points of undertale, doing stuff just to see what will happen, that includes genocide route and pacifist
Ok Flowey calm down
yeah there even was "undertale what if" paint net animation series
0:28
That's literally exactly how self defense works, sans
Get off the high horse buddy, Muffet kills and eats people
I do need that spidussy tho
ikr???
Mf is simping for Muffet at this point lmao
Edit: fr tho, at some point in the fight, after she told to sans « Keep that attitude up, and you'lI become a Pastry yourself~ » he responded « sounds like fun. » There is NO way sans doesn’t simp for her
@@ssseee3ds463sans truly wanted to know if "le spider has pus pus"
It's an undertale fangame you've gotta be ether a perfect angle or an irredeemable devil
Finally, A version of sans that actually tries to save other monsters as much as he can. Even in geno he delays you from killing most of the monsters. A very fun and interesting take rather than depressed/outright edgy sans.
What do you mean? That’s crossbones not sans
Sans?bro this is crossbones
You mean CROSS sans ?:)
@@Teethingas bro what do you mean? It's cross bones what does sans have to do here?
@@Poja_0811 I'm just joking 💀☠️
now the muffet part I find kind of dumb.
"I expected nothing less of a human" bro you literally just kidnapped a child and two of their protectors, tried to kill them and bake them into treats and now you're mad because that kid wants you dead?
and how Papyrus says they weren't in any real danger- wasn't sans trying to, y'know, kill them? sure they're recording a bit but it's still hurting them
I think monsters just aren't aware of how weak human children can be. Like in base Undertale, none of them really comment ahout how they're about to kill you (in pacifist). Even Toriel only realizes what she's done AFTER she kills you (her expression in a split second).
@@kachosuffer7 that can excuse papyrus, but muffet was 100% set on killing the human
that was the entire point of kidnapping them, no? kill and bake? how can anyone defend that -
@@acemuffins3840muffer can't kill you, simple as that, you are imortal
@@girosvaldodeskate2214 not like she knows that. for all she cares and knows you just fall like a sack of bricks when you die. the point is she wants to kill chara
@@girosvaldodeskate2214 Fact of us coming back to save point doesnt justify jack shit,also dying is still painful
6:25 that shit was cold asf, if i had encountered that i would shit my pants
Literally prowler meme material.
this makes me really think of crossbones as just sans if he wasn't sad, and decide not to give up like in undertale, here he really trays to make us a good person, rather then sans who just keeps watching us and does nothing, + crossbones seem to get as much sleep as he needs unlike, sans who just overworks himself.
Sans being depressed is not canon at all and is mostly just a theory. One of the big-dumb-bang mandella effects of the undertale fandom.
@Meme-rc1zo He probably used to not be lazy something pretty awful must've happened in many of the timelines.
@@Ostr0 Funny that you say this, considering Sans doesn't even know what happens in the other timelines. That's entirely fanon stuff.
@@jasan9973 Are you sure he talks about it alot in the Genocide Route he even mentions the Surface like he has been there and that would tie in with Deltarune.
@@Ostr0 He doesn't know what happens in other timelines. He only knows that they EXIST because of research he did. Deltarune isn't another timeline but a different universe. And lastly, Sans never says that he knows what the surface is like, he only says that getting there doesn't really appeal to him.
I hope more stuff happens like this so that we get the illusive “idiot ending”
The only one that bothered me was mufflet bc it was genuinely self defense 😅
Like bro PAPYRUS was in DANGER!!!!!!
I mean, can you actually kill a person irl and have it qualified as self defense, very rarely is it so
@@matttale7918No, if it is life or death for both of you, you can use self defense to justify offing someone.
sans be like: I'm not gonna intervene when someone tries to kill a child but when the they fight back im gonna scold the kid for it
YEAH, HE'LL LET MUFFET KILL YOU.
To be fair, he apparently holds the child to a higher standard. Probably cause he’s still aware of their reset ability. And because their power is far stronger then any one monster alone.
He even says in the evacuation route fight, that he feels as if Chara has a bigger responsibility to do the right thing first instead of monsters. Great power comes great responsibility or something like that. With his own justified, albeit not completely full-proof arguments.
@@cantmakeacreativename2072His defense of muffet is debunked by the fact that only he knows that you might have resetting, as far as muffet knew she was going to kill and bake you and you wouldn't come back.
@@cantmakeacreativename2072His defense of muffet is debunked by the fact that only he knows that you might have resetting, as far as muffet knew she was going to kill and bake you and you wouldn't come back.
@@ScuffedWarden sure. Again I never said it was a fool-proof argument. However it is one that Sans clearly stands by for his own reasons. And to his credit, it does have some merit to it.
"You get one last chance."
that gave me chills
here your hundred buddy
It has the vibes “Don’t try that again”
the amount of combinations of when you do certain routes seems like its going to be impossible to manage by the time the full game is done
That's why, I imagine, so many fangames are left unfinished. When your making a demo it's way easier to put a ton of care and detail, but once you start to get farther in development it becomes nigh impossible to keep track of. Team Switched seems pretty dedicated, and Undertale Yellow proves it's possible, so I think they'll manage it eventually.
seems like they'll all merge into neutral, like UT.
except maybe evacuation route? if you dont cook with muffet or dont hangout with sans it'll probably lock you into neutral. Just dialogue and maybe some interactions may change, which undertale had a LOT so im not worried seeing the size of the team compared to og UT.
@@dumbpro555It just gonna take atleast half amount of time it took for Undertale Yellow to pull it off,which is quite alot but its worth it honestly
Need someone to make Underfell like that
@@aasdkoaskdasddad6515 id imagine they would all have the same final boss, prob Temmie or Flowey, and in pacifist Monster Kid, (also I think the person alongside sans and papyrus in the booth in the festival is Asriel, in og underswap Asriel and MK switch)
Edit: nvm I forgot about Flowey, this is really confusing, unless MK is flowey, honestly for some reason I trust flowey here but I feel like I will be tricked, he helps you no matter the route
@@aasdkoaskdasddad6515You seem disapointed by neutral in Undertale, but those ending are very diverse, you don't need specific boss and name to diverse good neutral paths.
I definitely still think that OG Sans doesn't intervene in Undertale is because he is still bound to his job as the "Judge".
He doesn't really have this restriction in this universe, so that's why he can intervene more freely.
in undertale he is lazy, we kill his brother and even with that, sans dont fight
@@dilanrebaza it’s not because he is lazy it’s because of toriels promise he explains this in the ending where you kill only papyrus
@@rogueemperor5142 Also, in Undertale, he's aware you can reset and come back, so instead of trying, he guilt trips you for every bad thing you do in judgement hall and the phone call. In genocide, he knows he can't guilt trip us, so he makes us rage quit.
In Undertale it's not because of his role as a "judge", but instead that he promised Toriel to not hurt you, and because of that, he can't make any attempts to stop you.
But here he never made a promise, so he is fully capable of stopping you earlier if he needs to, or at the very least, trying to help others.
@@cameronballz6154And Papyrus has opposite promise if you go Evacuation/Ruthless route here but he refuses to keep it as much as possible
The dialogue when finishing off Koffin-K will play out differently if you Check first
Man this game his so much details
I get why sans doesnt want you to fight, but for muffet it doesn't make any sense. She literally tries to kill you, an innocent child, and then she has the audacity to call you a bad person for fighting back!
doesn’t literally every enemy in this game and undertale try to take your soul
@@Senkerly_senkerson In Undertale Sans won't care much who you kill, unless it's his brother he'll be upset, from then on he won't blame you for almost anything, even if you abort the pacifist route by killing Asgore, what happens is that many fan mades do sans a kind of morality fighter when his role is only to be a judge of your actions
@@Elpato568 I mean yeah but shouldn’t the same logic apply to muffet? he doesn’t care that muffet got killed in undertale, nor any enemies in this game
@@Senkerly_senkerson Like I said, that's the problem with fanmades.
@@Elpato568 oh ok
Thanks i was really wondering what would happen if you tried to kill Koffin-K since i can't play the game
It's on mobile/android, too?
Unless you have an iPhone or an iOS device.
It's available for download on mobile and pc
I think she means she'd rather not have to put in actual time to play it and rather watch it.
@@Ostr0 Correct! But can you edit the he to she if it isn't any trouble for you
Crossbones is indeed just like sans when it comes with these examples
Someone should replace "You get one last chance." To "Never do that again."
Ahhh, yes. Classic "how dare you hit me, now I'm offended by you".
i was doing neutral and before sparing koffin decided to see what happens if you kill him. i tried to deal the final blow in some different scenarios (before and after checking on him) and sans still just picks him up but instead of "really?" says "miss me?", then the following dialogue is the same. honestly pretty sad this game doesnt give you many choices of who to kill or not...
I mean, if crossbones is there then they are safe, that is logical. You can literally kill anyone else as long as he is not there.
Muffet and Koffin K are the only two that you aren't able to kill, cuz crossbones is there
You can kill muffet in a genocide or aborted genocide tho
iirc, if you are on neutral (not evac route) and have a high lv (I had 7 lv), he would be mad and say that children that may be in the wheel are very impressionable and you set a very bad example fot them
@@YellowmankeyAlso he doesnt do anything about killed Navy guards
@@NBx03Lemme guess,you tried killing Muffet and he kicked you out to next location ?))
Sans seems much more. . . Aware of us resetting in this AU, as opposed to normal Undertale where he tells by your expression and his secret codeword. I have my own problems with that sort of interpretation of him anyway, but that's probably the only reason I can think of for why he'd grill us for attempting to Kill Muffet, since this is about as Self-defencey as you can get. You don't see him holding her accountable for anything she did, like her tying up and trying to kill a child. Or even her succeeding at that multiple times. It's all about their responsibility to reset and do the right thing. "I didn't think you had it in you" as if every fight hadn't been a fight to the death up to that point in the aisles anyway. I'd use oppression from humans as an excuse, but Muffet is literally a cannibal who would eat her fellow monster if it was convenient for her and is singlehandedly the reason hotland's and core's Genocide route is possible in the main universe. I don't like Muffet, and Sans being preachy about it isn't working. He clearly picks and chooses who he wants to save and Chara clearly ain't on that list.
I like that he does at least do more to help in the ruthless route though. That was something I always held against him in the OG game. They clean up his act in that route, but sorta make him insufferable otherwise
"Do you think even the worst person can change? That they can be a better person, if they just try?"
-Sans, Undertale
He probably also believed you would change, like papyrus believed, and he also had a promise to keep, his only promise in probably a long time
Also I'd say they did a good job evacuating in geno, when they realized what was happening everyone in town hid, in waterfall I'm sure undyne evacuated the most she could, in hotland and core they had a lot of people inside the true lab, the only safe place in the only path from the beginning to the barrier, but couldn't evacuate the 40 monsters left because of Muffet, monsters are kind, they won't leave anyone behind, and u already mentioned what happened
That doesn't really answer my question. Because at least mid pacifist there's nothing for Chara to change for. He's all like "I didn't think you'd try to kill her" when he admits to assisting in manufacturing this false sense of danger himself. I'm not saying he should've let Muffet die, "A hero saves everyone, even the villains", I'm just saying that was entirely on him. He shouldn't have been surprised about it, and Muffet is still an awful person.
@@mrsphealtheseal Also there's some dialogue on the geno route where sans basically says he only tolerates you for the sake of others lmao
@@hellotherechap1784 Honestly I think he only said that out of frustration (he says no matter what you did in "the past" aka other playthroughs he only tolerates you for others). I don't think it's actually true or else he wouldn't invite you to hang out in his lair, he would be trying to push you away as soon as possible. Iirc he says that if you "kill" crossbones and come back
@@hellotherechap1784 Yuup that one too. I half wonder how true that is since you hang out with him and everything in pacifist, but even then if you don't do anything wrong in the OG game he still threatens you in the resort. So maybe he does know what he's talking about
Chara: *attempts to kill someone who is literally assaulting them in self defense*
Sans: "That was not a very pro gamer move"
Fangames trying to reign in Sans’ power level (He’s God and can never be injured)
"Wanna hurt me? TOO BAD, I HAD PREP TIME!!! also i'm god"
Ah yes,TS Swap Sans,my favorite hypocrite of all time
@void8027 Maybe i would if they would just back down when neccessary instead of keeping trying to murder me in cold blood
Weakest race my ass, it doesnt matter if they still are ones who trying to kill me in first place
@void8027 Очевидно что если от получения определенного количества урона в душу ты умираешь, то естественно ты будешь чувствовать боль от таких попаданий
Я то не страдают, а вот Чара от каждой атаки в лицо страдает более чем т.к они не марионетка как ясно из некоторых диалогов и в большей степени в руте Эвакуации
Возможность загрузиться это ни разу не оправдание тому что я якобы должен пытаться быть паинькой и давать меня безнаказанно избивать
Я то могу пощадить, только пусть монстры для этого будут столь добры и свалят с моего пути по добру по здорову, а если пара тройка ударов не убедительны, то их смерть это их вина т.к уже было достаточно показано что монстры МОГУТ пощадить на низком хп когда им это захочется, включая мини боссов
@void8027 Я называют его лицемером потому что как меня убивают так все окей, а как только я бью в ответ я сразу злодей, хотя он прекрасно знает если бы я хотел таковым быть я бы старался гораздо лучше
Игнорируя факт что даже с связанными Сансом и Папсом ты более чем можешь умереть в бою с Маффет и Санс даже костью не пошевелит
@void8027 Проблема TS Свап Санса в том что он судит меня за малейшие проступки как будто я маньяк какой-то, а не убил Азгора чтобы доказать что я могу пройти дальше, убил Догамми и Догарессу ибо тупые они(Догго я пощадил, убить его в субмарине нельзя а в не субмарины он драться не настроен) и малого пса тоже ибо тупой как пробка
По итогу я мудак и вообще как так можно
У обычного Санса с низким LV претензий нет, ты убил нескольких монстров, бывает, ты самозащищаешься и иногда приходится или случайно переступаешь грань, это нормально, проходи, а TS Свап строит из этого сраную трагедию и мыльную оперу хотя я уверен что оба знают монстров в своем мире в одинаковой степени хорошо
Поэтому я и называют TS Свапа лицемером
@void8027 И поэтому я и говорю
Они делают свою работу, а я хочу сбежать из этого места, они не отступают, значит смерть, все просто
Я более чем уверен по факту что их никто не осудит и их вины не будет если их пересилит человек и они будут вынуждены спасаться, но они решили стоять до концы
С малым псом там ситуация что у него буквально интеллект собачий так что умом он то уж точно не блещет
"UTY WAS KINDA MEH" YOU WANT DIE OR SOMETHING?
Yeah er,i get that he's a super hero and must defense his kind and all but I don't think the dialogue about self defense works as well with muffet of all people.
Edit:seen people saying that crossbones is talking to the player instead of chara and yeah,that added way more context behind his word
He actually tried to to save monsters as much he can
2:20
i tried to do the same thing with koffin-k to, but i did it after he turned his back and got a different dialouge, the detail in this game is incredible.
Fought Muffet, she killed me at least 3 times. I give up, attack her and Sans is like "wow we really doing murder now?"
This was actually the first thing I tried on my first playthrough. I was so curious of what Sans and Papyrus' reactions would be if I killed Muffet (yes i'm a psychopath).
Makes sense sans isn’t gonna let you kill someone in front of him and his brother. He knows you’re a time traveller and he knows that you can beat muffet without killing, especially since humans are canonically wayyy stronger then monsters
Bro is superhero for a reason. Go Crossbones!
Bro, Koffin-K is so adorable character, my fav in AU. Glad, that u can't kill him💣
I personally like Harry and Larry more. God, that was really something when I saw their geno fight first
@@begemotish3726 IKR and their theme is somehow a banger
For some reason I can't get it out of my head the urge to kill him, just... To see what he'd say or do, truly facing death. I don't know why it bothers me that he's untouchable, no matter the route
He's my favorite too
I think people forget Superheroes usually don't kill their villains or enemies. Which perfectly fits into Crossbones' character and how even if it's a bit hypocritical, heroes do have to save everyone. Even if they're the villains. It's not an action of "logic". It's an action of one's belief. And that is Crossbones' character. Although same can't be said for Sans
what about fighting harry and larry in koffin keep
Similair to greasers, they just faint. It doesn't change anything really.
@@begemotish3726 it has minor details and minor details what makes it cool :)
probably the only thing i dislike about this fangame is just how stupidly powerful sans is
literally the only monsters we know are stronger are flowey and the temmies, thats it! not even asgore compares to the stupidly strong super-powered skeleton!
edit: what i mean is that he is entirely untouchable, and prevents you from defending yourself
he literally just ignores damage in the neutral fight!
overly long reasons why i think he is OP
1. Entirely untouchable. Sans in UT can't just stop time and place a cardboard cutout in front of him in the time it takes to attack!
2. Sans saves Muffet and Koffin K, but not Chara in either of these fights. Sans claims kids were watching during the second fight, and he just lets Chara die. What a hero, relying on powers he doesn't know exist. (He is lucky Chara can reset)
3. Isn't the human supposed to be stronger than EVERY SINGLE MONSTER COMBINED!? Sans easily tosses the human around in the start of the Ruthless fight. UT Sans doesn't instantly send you flying out of judgement hall, does he?
4. He has literally no weaknesses. UT Sans could tire out, Crossbones, however? Practically nothing until Ruthless, and even then he still put up the cutout at the end.
You can disagree with me, but I do in fact think that TS!Underswap Sans is OP. (I love literally everything else about the fangame, this is just a small issue to me)
I probably went overboard... Oh well.
I mean that's kind of always been the case with Sans, his fight is the hardest in Undertale for a reason. But in Undertale he's depressed, listless, and bound by a promise, so he has no interest in intervening, unlike Superhero Sans.
sans… isn’t strong? what are you on about rn?
Strong-willed? Yes. Steadfast? Yes. But he isn’t **strong** in the typical sense. His physical strength doesn’t carry his character, it’s his confidence and willpower to actively help others.
Man, you'll be flabbergasted if you see what he's like during a genocide run of UT
@@aasdkoaskdasddad6515 he just doesnt show up until one fight, dodges for 20 or so turns and then dies
though i do think the regular sans fight is far harder than all crossbones fights combined, weirdly enough
sans is merg confirmed
"Oh well, nobody got hurt"
The player literally whacking people upside the head with a FRYING PAN:
I'm sorry sans I guess I should be more considerate after A 1000 FOOT DROP, POSSIBLE CONCUSSION, EVERYBODY BEING AFTER MY SOUL, THE FACT IVE D I E D BEFORE TO THESE MONSTERS, but oooooh fighting back is bad and killing them is bad SHUT YOUR MOUTH SANS THEY STRUCK FIRST AND THAT ONE WANTS TO BAKE ME INTO A MUFFIN AND THAT ONE KIDNAPPED ME
Before you start raging even more, I'll tell you something sans tries to explain to you in the main undertale
You have the power to survive to them, you're strongest than every being in the fucking planet because of that, you have a power that people can only DREAM about.
Don't you think you have the responsibility to use that power for the greater good? specially knowing that you KNOW you can spare them and end everything peacefully? think about it.
@@ShyGhost_69 I mean I guess, but dying still hurts and monsters getting butthurt about you attacking back while they’re trying to kill you is stupid because *theyre* the one after your soul in the first place
@@mrmeepbeep4239 They don't complain about getting hurt back, in fact, they don't react at it at all and you can even spare them at low health.
They complain at you wanting to kill them, something that already crosses the line of self defense, and now take in account what I told you earlier.
Do you see it now?
(Muffet cannot be spared at low health, but regular monsters can)
Sans is just hypocrite here. When muffet kills chara 10 times oh its OKEY, he won't intervene, but when you kill muffet he immedeatly does!
If you didn't wanted chara to kill muffet, HOW ABOUT HELPING THEM, UH, YOU HYPOCRITE?
Chara can save. Muffet doesn't have that kind of power.
@@goldenadmiral2912 and so what? First, chara still feel pain from death, Second, why can't sans save Chara the way he saved muffet?
Funniest fact that muffet is ready to kill us and will do it when she can but if we try to do it after getting beaten up she says "as expected from a human"
@@wikiben4310 To be fair, she's not particularly mad about it. She's still mostly just salty that you didn't let her grow her business.
@@AliceEyler alright
1. Everyone except a selected few characters know about your saving power.If you die a thousand times you can still try again. In this fangame, I can only think of three.
2.Simple really, sans knows you're invincible, so why bother even saving you? Also, do you realize that sans is simply choosing a fellow monster rather than a human he met five minutes ago.
Honestly, this Muffet fight gave me a lot of food for thought (long text ahead, sorry). Some people are having discussions on the comments about morality and if you have the right to act in self defense if you can't die, but I feel like they're taking it in a very generalized level. Notice how Muffet (and specifically this fight from TS, not the one from UT) is the ONLY one causing this resentment. Usually this kind of discussion doesn't even happen in regards to Undertale, which is also weird on itself given how violence against enemies who are trying to kill you usually feels natural in other games. It can't just be the whole time traveller argument. There's something in the Undertale formula that makes being a pacifist feel easy and rewarding, and it isn't present in this fight.
And there is a formula. Frisk has barely any characterization or feelings, so you can't get attached to the one being attacked. The monsters feel silly and humanized, so you don't get threatened. The battle themes are such a vibe and don't give the fighting for your life feeling. And all of that changes when you're confronting Flowey or Asriel, causing dread and anger on the player like a switch, who does so happens to be the true antagonist of the game, indicating Toby knew what he was doing. The same happens in this game, all of the characters feel friendly and when the tension does rise up, the enemy is either someone you care about (Asgore) or the real antagonists (the Temmies).
But in this fight, despite it seemingly not having that much relevance in the overall game, gets the same treatment that would raise the stakes. Muffet feels malicious and sadistic, which makes you feel threatened, the fact Muffet is trying to bake an actual person is given much more weight, Chara has personality and feels like an actual child with feelings, the skelebros literally react to you dying and there isn't any lesson about "giving mercy gets you mercy in return" cause Muffet does NOT actually spare you. If you're someone who gets easily emotionally invested in games, it might just feel wrong, specially with Sans straight up shaming you and acting like you dying is no big deal. It really feels like they did this in purpose. I wonder why.
The "you have infinite lives" argument doesn't make sense anyway if Chara doesn't know they can revive. If you haven't died by this point (very easy to do) then Chara has no idea that they will survive if they are killed. So Sans just looks dumb trying to say this to a kid in danger (and no, sans has never shown any sign that he knows there's a player involved).
What he describes (killing someone who is actively trying to kill you) is literally self defense word for word
People keep talking about muffet part. Ok, lets get this straight. Muffet deal is to kill human to: 1. keep the bakery up. 2. sell his soul to "somebody" (probably temmie, but it doesnt matter). First of all, monsters still need one last soul to break the barrier, dont forget about undertale canon. every monster in undertale attack you to send your soul to asgore (toriel in ts!us). they literally HAVE to kill you no matter what. There is no toriel to ask sans to watch over child. there is a damn asgore who's friends with papyrus (like toriel friends with sans), thats why, basically, PAPYRUS has to be the one who watch over the child and NOT let muffet kill him. Noone asked SANS to defend the child.So if muffet kills chara, *BOOM* happy ending for monsters and freedom. Anyway, as sans says, he just wanted to see how chara actually act when she is attacked. Its just like trying to kill froggit at the start of ruined home. Asgore saves froggit (btw if you attack froggit poorly he wont actually defend him, just say that human is scared by froggit,and as i seen, weakest attack deals ~10 damage, which was half of froggit hp. Strongest attack could literally one shot froggit) and sans saves muffet from literal death.
Actually, not all monsters in Undertale can tell you're a human. The rabbit shopkeeper can't tell you're a human since in the pacifist epilogue, she says she heard a human was the reason they were free and says she'll give them a hero's welcome completely unaware that is you, Bratty and Catty are also unaware you're a human as they say they are totally hyped for the destruction of humanity and in the pacifist epilogue you can tell them you're a human they act suprised and claim that when they said they were hyped for the destruction of humanity, they were joking. Also, Burgerpants mentions that if Asgore gets one more soul, he will have a chance of achieving his dream of acting on the surface and given how desperate and unhinged Burgerpants is, he most likely doesn't know you're a human or he would probably try to tear your soul out himself or something like that.
Ah yes , The MORAL COMPAS SANS.
The worst one of them all
Finally someone who agrees with me.
Can you still hang out with sans even if you beat up the greasers, mettacrit, muffet, harry & larry and koffin k? As long as you dont finish crossbones's fight by attacking him?
I Honestly wouldn't be surprised, as you never really level Up your LOVE and fighting is not really making your fights easier. (In fact, crossbone's fight is harder if you attack as ACTing actually helps you survive)
I know the greasers are just like the enemies in Deltarune,mettacrit might count though but possibly not and depending on how Larry and Harry work you probably can't if it's like the genocide route
@@tribowrainbow5158 Harry and Larry in Neutral just get K.O but there is not many dialogue changes at all. Their HP doesn't reach 0 in neutral.
@@masterblaster38Spared mettacrit because they are smartest mini boss to actually put on yellow name when they are low hp lol
Im literally LV 7 neutral only because i crit too much or minibosses refuse to let me spare them
if you fight mettacrit at the right time it doesnt end pacifist, when he's hinting at you to give him a twist, the twist can be you "killing" him which ends the fight sooner but also acts as a spare
I swear the way crossbones teleports into the battle with that giant "MISS" plastered over the screen makes it feel like I'm watching an analog horror and some kinda monster will jump out at me😭
this version of chara (and muffet) is beautiful. just like the og
Lo de sans seria valido de no ser porque básicamente hablamos de alguien aparentemente peligrosa con 3 rehenes, entre ellos un superheroe, y trata de deshacerse de uno de ellos con ninguna culpa
Que si, que le preocupan sus arañas, pero si no fuera por la determinacion dime tu que sería de Chara
This is why i love this Sans
He really doing something instead of letting you kill everyone ❤
"But self defense...it doesnt go like that."
...then how DOES it go, like what???
self defense is supposed to be, figthing back, but not reaching the point of killing, if you kill that isnt self defense anymore.
@@Rubentemira right, except she wasn't doing anything when injured
It would go more like this:
-Since you're way stronger than Muffet, not only because of you being a human yourself, but because of you having power everybody else can only imagine having. you have the responsibility of use your power for good, that means, not killing Muffet.
@@Rubentemira If she stopped fighting when injured, then you would have a point. But she doesn't stop. If the other person keeps fighting even when they are about to die, then it is still self defense.
@@ShyGhost_69 And what if Chara hasn't died yet, so they don't know they can revive? Your argument doesn't make sense in that case
what if you try to kill boogiemen in pacifist?
wdym ?
Merg would not be proud
I love the way sans acts here. I would do the same if I was him.
The question: what if we will try to kill harry and larry in Pacifist i mean in genocide they have infinite snacks for healing which is forces us to push larry right at the cliff but since in Pacificst we fight them in koffin k's office then i am curious does that mean we can do a betrayal kill against them or not
As far as I know, fighting them in pacifist just results in knocking them out no matter how hard you try. I got that in my pacifist playthrough. Im 99 percent sure you cant betray kill them in that fight, since the fight doesn't even end with a prompt to spare
hmmm i dont know, this level of dialogue needs some rework. Sans's logic doesnt make sense here, Muffet *did* tried to kill us, Self Defense is everything important at this point, even if it costs their own death
He literally stop you from killing Muffet despite the fact that SHE IS TRYING TO KILL YOU. Lil bro is Steven Universe thinking that everyone can be forgiven😭😭😭
What about asgore or the greassers(i forgot the name but the 3 you fight on the pacifist route)?
Greasers just got knocked out. Asgore... Well... Dies. Though his dialogue obviously different from genocide one
@@begemotish3726Also Sans and Papyrus arent aware of his death too but Chara may give some hints to Sans because of their expressions
TS!Underswap Sans protected other: 🗿
PS!Outertale Sans trying to protect his own brother : 🤡
Bro Outertale Sans = Normal sans. He is not a hero or something and he is in depression.
@@norakssolucaniMeanwhile UT Sans kicking your ass;
@@skell6134 I can beat sans with almost no hit
@@norakssolucani Cool bro
Im not you though
And most of casual community really
I don't think UTY is kinda meh, but I guess that's your choice. It's still fun.
UTY has different priorities
I think it’s a really ambitious project for choosing to use almost exclusively original characters outside of flower Asgore and Tori
Also, flower wanted to go straight to Asgore and so did clover up till the wild East I’d argue by comparison Chara in under swap, at least, form my reading, seems more compelled by the player to move forward, then by their own volition therefore, having more time for what I’d consider smelling the roses(ie sticking around and hanging out)
While Chara in TS under swap fell down for unclear reasons, and the same with Frisk in UT clover actually had a mission
This can be seen in all routes, however, only in the genocide route is it completed in all others clover has priorities change choosing to give up their soul, finally confront Asgore or stay in the underground
cool video but did you have to do undertale yellow like that in the description
don’t see why muffets a victim, when in reality, she follows her undertale counterpart, running a business, of spiders and for spiders, just because she consumes people doesn’t make her any different, plus, YOU’RE A HUMAN, the entire goal of the monsters is to kill you! and sure, she’s fucked up, but still, people simp for ashley in tcoaal.
what if you fake fight at the end of crossbones fight in pacifist?
late comment, but there's some dialogue you missed
*muffet:* if this is done on neutral or late evacuation (started in starlight isles), sans and papyrus will know you're a threat to muffet and see if you can change. if you don't, you're left alone in the room with sans. he goes dark in the eyes and says "get out of here", you're teleported outside and can't interact with muffet any further
*harry and larry:* if you attack and defeat them, they'll be knocked unconscious and the fight will end in koffin's room rather than outdoors. when one falls, the other will attempt to avenge them unless you turned them against one another beforehand, in which they'll start laughing
*koffin-k:* actually a really in-depth fight when it comes to endings. i believe your result was from having attacked muffet before. if you're on true compassion and attack koffin, sans will ask what exactly that was supposed to be, then drop the question and proceed normally. i'm not sure of the nature behind this, but i did a max exp non-evacuation neutral run and *didn't* betray koffin, attacked upfront. he actually realized that i was trying to kill him and was in shock. sans put him away and had a speech about how there were children on the crowl jewel watching the fight. koffin's character sheet changed to "status: protected" and ended with "that last look he gave me...". out of curiosity i got a game over in the crossbones fight as that's the only way to see him again (can't date sans on neutral), unfortunately they didn't account for that
bruh they really blame you for self defense?? as if they attack you and expect you to give them mercy😂
Why kill when you can always reload your save file should you die? There's simply no reason to kill.
@@Cats4life777 Yes, but the other humans didn't have that opportunity, and anyway monsters are the ones who choose to be killed, And in any case there may be enemies so difficult that you need to become strong if you don't want to die numerous times and for a human child death remains a trauma.
@@Cats4life777 Perhaps the human child doesn't want to repeat life or death battles and deal with the mental or physical pain of each death.
I mean, there's nothing stopping muffet from calling off the fight when she's low on health. Her death would be entirely her fault; why is she the one excluded from moral judgement?
@@goingunleashed5826 Freakin yes
If every boss monster would simply be spareable via low hp there would be ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES,but no, every monster just NEEDS to be a stubborn idiot who gonna let themself die rather than live another day and let human child pass to next guard post
Thus why Koffin-K and Mettacrit are smartest out here,bruh
Also Sans,you can attack him all you want but you can just spare him at end of fight and its fine
@@skell6134 monsters that can be spared make sense not to kill them, but there are monsters that even on the verge of death remain firm on not being spared, so i don't mind honestly.
Oh Im sorry for trying to kill you after you tried to take my life and showed no sign of mercy or understanding
if you try to kill koffin K without trying to kill muffet, the dialogue will be a lil different. Crossbones says "What was that" but not in charachter(the voice is sans' not crossbones') Koffin would comically say "what was what" and it's the same after that
Pacifist but you're short tempered
what if you're completely pacifist all the time, EXCEPT on the last hit in the crossbone battle?
Then the Sans hangout cannot happen, and the True Compassion Route is donezo.
If you could talk during this scene id just say: i mildly dislike spiders
what happens if you kill the navy? on pacifist
You get LV which automaticly means that you ruined your pacifist run,duh
@@skell6134 no shit 🤓
Sans is the true hero of the story
speedrunners gonna abuse the feature
Real uty slander
" UTY was kinda meh" Why you think so?
I don't find UTY's characters that interesting. I mean, they are cool, but it feels like you have too little time to get attached to them. Though, this game does pretty good job expanding underground's world. I also like neutral and no mercy endings
@@begemotish3726 Yeah,i can understand you. And Ceroba storyline is seems for me kinda rushed. But other than that the music,atmosphere ,gameplay mechanics,dialogues i found them very well made.
Sans is human
Реально санс супергерой
Cant you kill Harry and Larry?
Only in geno
wait, is killing a hat a crime now?
Is the Muffet one a speedrun strat..?
What about Harry and Larry?
They just get knocked down
Joke on you that was better than the promise that sans made with toriel to protected the human which he didn't. 😂😂🤓👍
What happens if you try to kill Harry and larry in the pacifist route?
They are knocked out like greasers in ruins
what about harry & larry?
do they just feed each other snacks like geno?
They jsut get knocked out
Crossbone really play hero here
but does it put you on neutral, or does sans intervening keep you on true pacifist because you didn't get any xp?
You're still on true pacifist.
does this abort the route tho
UTY > TS!US
(Both are really good fangames but I just prefer the originality of the character plots and geno theme oute of UTY)
but thats comparing a complete fangame vs a unfinished one
It's not valid to compare the two in the slightest
UTY tries to stick with the original vision of undertale as close as possible, which makes it also inherit all the...restrictions
TSUS is an independent from original. It has all the freedoms to innovate and add whatever new cool gimmicks it wants, which might (debatably for some) make it a whole lot better
@peeka_ in case you don't know, TS!US made with the idea of turning Underswap and making characters behave more like their real Undertale counterparts. In other words, TS!US tries to stay as close to Undertale's character writing as possible. Sans is the best example of this.
UTY tried to stay away from reusing Undertale content for the record.
@@aquatix5273 I meant it in the production quality side of things. I am fully aware that TSUS is sticking to the original writing.
Also, i said UTY sticks to VISION of Undertale. The intentional clunkiness in certain parts to fit right in with the original undertale (which IS NOT bad in any way btw) when compared side by side (Although in some parts the art quality is noticeably better than Undertale, but nevertheless)
@@aquatix5273 just as a side note, i myself LOVE UTY to death. It's just that i kinda disagree that it's better than TSUS.
@@peeka_ What clunkiness?
So does this just ruin a pacifist run? What if you only attack sans and no one else?
It probably does ruin pacifist kinda cause i would assume that Sans hangout would be important for pacifist progression
@@skell6134of course
Bro because if you not befriend sans you don't befriend Alphys( in this universe main royal guard) so yeah if you won't hangout with sans you ruin pacifist route
What about killing harry and larry on pacifist route?
Mentioning UTY in the desc for no reason was kinda fuckin stupid now that almost everyone including me is talking about it huh lmao
Holy sh, sans is so fricking annoying in this game. How can anyone actually like him
me when i forget what sans actually acts like
Because most people do either pacifist, ruthless, or evacuation. Sans ain't an obnoxious hypocrite in any of these routes.
@@manologamerss5801 damn what did sans do
@@fartmaster6977 This video? He intervenes when you're about to kill muffet, and judges you for it, but when she kills you, he does nothing. That's a unique interaction to non-evacuation neutral, which is a run hardly anyone ever does.
@@manologamerss5801 Well, if they'd added interaction where he intervenes to save you then both muffet and koffin k fight become auto win.
Does this abort pacifist?
I don't think so.
does this abort the route?
People are so stupid in this comment section… This Sans has a moral Compass like Batman because of PAPYRUS… this Universe seems to show that Papyrus has more of a good way of influencing his morals on Sans so Sans values “life” as much as Bruce Wayne as Batman BECAUSE of Papyrus being able to show Sans that people can change… Sans here is like Bruce Wayne… he doesn’t believe in KILLING in self Defense… He believes in Incapacitation and defeating without killing only because he here believes that even the worst people can change like Papyrus and Batman/Bruce Wayne… that’s why he even GIVES you a chance… but.. he is not FULLY like them… if you are being Chaotic evil and killing everyone that’s when he’s gonna kill you but still regret it. He won’t kill you on the Pacifist route at all… but for Sans/Crossbones unlike Bruce/Batman if he were in those shoes he would probably kill Joker as Batman sooooo yeah that’s the difference but he values life that hasn’t gone “far off” as it seems.
Real uty slander