I always saw Timothy as a cautionary tale. A reminder to the audience that, hey, vigilantism is NOT for everyone and the only reason the Turtles can pull it off is because they’ve been trained from birth as ninjas. Timothy wanted to be a hero, but he didn’t want to put in the hard work of learning the basics or developing lifesaving skills. He wanted to skip to the part where he wipes the floor with mooks without breaking a sweat & gets all the cool one-liners. And his hubris & desire to speed-run his hero’s journey led to his transformation into a semi-sentient pile of goo.
I think you're partially right. At the beginning, Timothy wanted to skip all the training and get right to heroism. However, after his first episode, he decides to seek training for himself. He goes to a dojo to get actual training, but ends up getting tricked into being cannon fodder. The point is, he _does_ actually _try._ Plus, he was obviously trying his best at being a Foot grunt. There's no way they weren't working him as hard as they could. Timothy was obviously immature and impatient, but I think he absolutely had the drive to go through actual training, and he probably could have become a decent fighter if he'd found a proper teacher. In his second episode, the turtles _know_ Timothy is not at all experienced enough to be a spy in the Foot. Timothy does not have the full context of what the Foot is, what they have done, what they are willing to do. He does not have the full context of the horrible things mutagen can do to people. When the turtles agreed to let him be a spy, they effectively decided that the life of this civilian with almost no training was worth risking for the sake of information. I think Timothy was meant to be a cautionary tale, but to me it feels more like the turtles failing to care enough about the safety of a kid who didn't fully understand what he was getting into. Granted, it was pretty dumb of him to ignore the repeated warnings _not_ to expose himself to the mutagen, but I just don't think he should have been in a situation where that was an option to begin with.
I think another things about his character is being a commentary on getting powers through like radiation and what not. How many heroes come into waste or radioactive material; going through the whole Spider-man song and dance and end up with powers? Mutagen man is basically the reality on what would happen on a fantasy but horrific level. I think it's meant to say; Hey! Just because your favorite heroes got their powers this way, don't forget that this is all fantasy and this is not how things work for you, mess with things you shouldn't and it will not end up well for you.
Some humans in this universe were just born super-human apparently. Like Casey Jones. Kid has no formal training and he's powerful enough to go toe to toe with the Turtles and can launch grown man several feet. Timothy just didn't have the same kind of natural raw strength. Tbh, if Timothy was smart he'd touch a powerful animal before dumping mutagen on himself. If I'm going to become a mutant you bet your ass I'll touch some cool shit first like a wolf, or a gator, or a hawk.
it's unfortunately a fixture that could never get resolved due complexe and cohesive stories. though it was likely toy sales for the character that kept the character from getting arcs. ironically another relic character we never see again is pigeon Pete by next appearance of the mutanimals they imply something else happened offscreen. thoughts likely toys and writers dislike since they had tooled with getting rid of dogpound before turning him into razar.
Y'know, his old canister being in there doesn't necessarily mean they never changed him back. It could just mean they didn't need it to hold him anymore and threw it out because they cured him
But if it’s a empty husk why would it end up in a battle dome? The mutants probably didn’t put it there it wouldn’t serve any purpose , most likely he dethawed after 70 years like Donnie promised and somehow got captured and forced to battle , he failed and got tossed into the pit and sank , he isn’t exactly buoyant tho so he probably was stuck down there and slowly either starved or the water got in and he dissolved , either way mutagen man died in extreme pain both physically and mentally having lost everything over and over again
@@fossilrecd or, hypothetically, maybe, and this might sound utterly insane: it got there before they turned into a battle dome. Because I'm 80% sure there wasn't always a giant battle dome there. And if it helps you at all since it really seems like you wanna see this poor guy suffer, Timothy probably died horribly in the mutagen bomb explosion after being cured
@@Splonton the point of mutagen man in every series is that he suffers in the current comics rn he is begging his friend to shoot him till he stops living , in every timeline this dude has to have horrible stuff happen to him it’s just a universal joke repeating on loop always passing on to the next mutagen man to meet the same awful path , also how would it end up in a dug pit? The pit looks intentionally dug after the mutagen bomb went off and he was left in the sewer no where near the pit
He was literally turned into a pile of goo and organs. I feel like if they were to try to turn him back he'd probably be just a pile of organs. Like, you can only be mutated a certain amount of times before you're too far gone right? Maybe that was the case for Timothy.
@@avadiamondcaster5130 I unironically just thought his bones would turn into the actual goo,meaning the bits of goo he did loose after being put inside that container would just mean he'd be a few pounds lighter after becoming human.
Something else you could assume is he turns into a blob of skin,because where would that acid go?Timothy would just look like Peter Griffin after he wished to not have bones.
That’s what happened to Shredder and Razar He used to Be a Giant Shinu dog with a giant hand bone, Until he fell again in the mutagen and turned to a Zombie dog
Timothy's horrible fate is to this day one of the strongest memories I have of this show. Now in my early twenties I look back at his character and realize how downright irresponsibly neglectful and messed up all of this was handled by the writers. But looking through the comments its definitely good to know that I'm FAR from the only one feeling this way.
I just had a thought/Idea for what they could have actually done with him. After he got frozen, what if someone else took him, instead of the turtles. Like after he was frozen, the turtles briefly leave to perhaps say check on April or say, find a way to bring him back to the lair, only for his body to be missing after their brief leave. It cuts to a lab only to reveal the one that took him was...... Baxter Stockman.And the thing is, that could ABSOLUTLEY work under that context. For one thing considering Baxter was stockpiling on mutagen, so I could imagine a scenario where he finds Timothy's body only to take him back to his lair. He could then unthaw him and make him his Mutant underling, similar to how Shredder has his underlings. As for their dynamic, I can also say, they most would have a good one considering... both characters are basically two sides of the same coin. I say this because, look at their backgrounds. Baxter was an outcast nerd treated horribly by his parents and is often treated horribly by his peers in the Foot Clan for being weak and pathetic. While Timothy was more of a fanboy eager to help others, but he would often be looked at as a joke by the turtles. And while he would be a bit ignorant and optimistic with his situation, Baxter would brood and want revenge on all who's wronged him. So I could totally see Baxter maybe finding out more about Timothy, only to use that against the Turtles, molding him into a Frankenstein's Monster. Only this time, he would be Stockman's Mutagen Man!! I could even imagine Baxter giving him a container that also doubled as a robotic suit ala previous iterations. This could also be a good way for him to actually move about without needing Mutagen, making him much versatile and more threatening as a result. This could even lead to Timothy finding out what Baxter was doing and even betray him to save the Turtles and become the Hero he's always wanted to be. Thus ending with him being turned human again, contemplating his life and begins his training.. for real this time and ending his arc. And if that's a scenario that seems like a huge stretch to be seen as a potential story, I also want to point out that both characters do their best to act like characters from a comic book. Timothy trying to be a Comic Book Hero, while Baxter is trying to be a Comic Book Villain. That seems intentional for these two, so I'm just saying.
I saw a good concept art for a mutagen man suit.Maybe add in built in weapons using kraang technology aswell as a supply of mutagen he can use to produce more acid and turn into ammo.
Donnie: I've finally made Retro-Mutagen for April's dad, Karai, Super Shredder, and even Baxter. Timothy: and me right? 😀 Donnie: Timothy: and me right? 🤨
The whole show had plot threads that weren't complete. And that future episode was more of a what-if than a canon thing if ya ask me. I mean, The Professor's head was still in space, there was so much more to do and explore.
In my own head cannon, the Mutant Apocalypse story arc is an alternate reality from the original TMNT 2012 universe. It's because in some episodes in the series, the turtles end up meeting Renet, a time traveler from the future who lives in a world where the turtles are honored as heroes who saved the world dozens of times, while Mutant Apocalypse seems to retcon that. Perhaps since Donnie ended up inventing retro mutagen, he could have saved Timothy off-screen, and he swore off hero work after being turned into a monster, while in Mutant Apocalypse, he could very well have died before retro mutagen was invented by Donnie, and died like how you pointed out in the video. This is all just my opinion though. This video was great, and I hope to see more!!!
@@felixdaniels37 Wow never knew that. Glad to know Nick mentioned so they can do whatever they please without continuity issues. Thanks for clarifying.
@@Danimal4321 That's not how canon or multiverse works. Even with the multiverse being a thing there is still some semblance of canon. It is part of the Multiverse yes. But it is still not canon to the shows main time line. It is canon only to Carmagedon. Also if canon is thrown out the window. That means that fanfics are fair game. And we both know we do not want that
Comics Mutagen Man: Suicidal about his mutation 2012 Mutagen Man: Addicted to Mutagen that made him insane Dam, Mutagen man's gone through some of the most darkest parts of being a teenager
There is actually quite a bit of unresolved character stories and it really bothered me. Timothy and Pigeon Pete being my top 2 characters I always wanted to have an actual explanation to as to what happened to them. Also; -April's mom -Alopex -Spider Bites (I guess he does show up every now and then, though barley) -Some more of Metal head -Professor Honey Cutt always kinda confused me -Did Mikey date Renett or Shini? -Did April choose Donnie or Casey? Probably some more that I can't think of rn
Agreed I was really disappointed with April's mom I felt like they were filling us with hope that we'd see her again and finally find out what happend especially in that farm house episode but nothing ever happened
I always just assumed once they were able to make a steady supply of Retro Mutagen they just defrosted him turned him back and sent him home. I could totally believe that after being in a tank for that long and going on a rampage he would've had his fill of the Mutant thing, and just went back to living his normal life. But if that were true it would probably be important to show that or at least have one of them acknowledge it happening. I mean they went out of there way showing Baxter Stockman turning back, so why not him? But this is just my headcanon..
Mutagen Man is truly a tragic character. Ever since his debut, I always felt awful for him. Ever since his mutation disfigured him, he was condemned to a cruel and pitiful existence.
If this show were to come back, I think Donnie should bring back Timothy...only for the human to be angry because he never wanted to be changed. Imagine Pulverizer, treated like an outcast all his life, and all it did for others to take him seriously was for him to embrace the monster. This would result in Timothy mutating himself again into a far more threatening Mutagen Man, and if not dealt with, could implode and take out half of the city. Donnie would have no choice but to demutate him to the point it would kill him. It would make a heartbreaking and excellent episode.
3:43 umm....how the FUCK did I never notice that before????non-cannon or not that's fucked up...at this point they were better off killing him in the season 2 episode instead of freezing him
I also didn't notice on that scene as well. I was wondering on What Ever Happened to Timothy/The Pulverizer who has become Mutagen Man, and the answer was unknown.....until unfortunately i saw this scene know and it give the answer to my question.
@@lancemuise2005 like l said just now. Forgot about him or didn’t know what to do with him after that. Not only that, but the show got canceled so…we would never know if they were gonna bring him back
The reasons why he mutated like that in the 2012 show is because he used plain mutagen without any other genetic material in it. So to make sure you don’t turn into him you need to add genetic make up of other species.
Hah, I just thought what if the shedder mutated into a paper shredder, the thing is when shedder mutated he grew those metalic like spikes on his body, the trash mutant guy too. Pizza mutant, I think a better explanation is that the mutagen that he got on him was unstable.
It’s still a little inconsistent though. Xever turned into a fish because he ate a fish taco hours earlier. Had Timothy not eaten anything at all for days prior to his exposure? Snake stepped on a weed with boots and jeans on, and that was enough to turn him into a plant monster. Did the turtles, Bradford, and Xever really not leave a single bead of sweat or skin cell on Timothy while he was fumbling all over the place?
@@LoganWH8Xever turned into a fish because he had touched a snakefish in a tank earlier with Bradford. Snake fell on his ass and had his actual hands touch the weeds around the hideout so that's why he turned into Snakeweed. Timothy never made direct contact with anyone or anything because the Foot soldier uniform covers most of your body and he always had gloves on. I don't think it's a plothole
That 2012 episode was kind of disturbing, the fact that they never resolved it either and he's just stuck as organs in a jar for the rest of his life is really dark
@@prosandconsguy7454 Yes, they did. They mentioned in Buried Secrets that April's mom was experimented on by the Kraang and died long ago when April was just a kid.
Well, I mean he did made physical contact with the turtles, most with Donnie, when he pulled him from the mutagen container, so he could've turned into a turtle, but Nick wanted to be original I suppose, I mean we already have Spike.
@@Infinite_The_Jackal_673 Actually he never made contact with the turtles. He was wearing gloves this whole time and that's why he turned into a pile of organs. The mutagen had nothing to work with except for the bacteria living inside his body.
@@jaborsey_joseph Oh, well, Karai and Spike and Mondo and Napoleon and Leatherhead, whom are already Reptilian/Amphibious mutants, so having another would kinda decreased the variety, of other Mammalian or Oceanic creatures to come into place, you know?
I'm suddenly reminded of my absolute salt and rage at the 2012 series for abandoning Timothy...and also my unfinished fix-it fic where the turtles actually remember to cure him.
@@Danimal4321 The idea is closure. They've had since S1 to cure him, make him part of the Mutanimals (which is actually par the course for the character), just do something to wrap up his character, and how the creators never got around to it is absolutely 100% mind boggling!
@@williamkerfoot8039 it's especially odd, because back when they first introduced the character they said Muragen Man was a favorite of their's, (even had the retro original action figure of him) and were excited to adapt him into the new series.
@@Danimal4321 The 2003 series didn't. The 1987 series didn't. Neither one of the original trilogy movies did. The Platinum Dunes movies didn't. Should I go on?
I really feel sorry for Timothy. The idea of becoming a hero certainly went to his head, but he had absolutely no bad intentions and paid for his mistake very harshly. And then the writers just forgot about him, even though Donnie created the Retro-Mutagen
I assumed Donny still hadn't found a way to help him so he just stayed frozen. Now that I've seen the fate of Mutagen Man's container, I have another theory. It's possible he died but it's just as likely Donny did manage to change him back and the container was just left there. After all, we can't see if he's still in the container.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was possible that the Krang took the container housing Mutagen Man after they stormed the Turtles' base at the end of Season 2. Because once they finally make it back to their home after the invasion was over, Donni found his lab thrashed and a lot of things missing (including Timothy). Part of me always assumed he was taken by the little squishy brains to be researched on or something.
I wish he was taken and made a return later on defrosted. But i think the writters just forgot to add him in that episode cause he is shown there later on as the series went on
One of the other sad moments. There is a brief moment where the turtles comment on how good Timothy is at driving the shellraiser. If I remember right he tells them he used to drive a bus or something. I thought sure the kid cant fight but maybe he would learn his other talents like driving could help in situations. I was used to Zack from the old show tagging along. I thought maybe Timothy might be the one they call when they need a fifth person to drive the car. he could have learned how all the teck in the car worked faster than getting his body in shape and learning how to fight.
This was a good analysis of both versions. I always saw Timothy in the 2012 version as a modern day Icarus, he’s someone who is reckless, arrogant, and who thinks what he’s doing is a big game when it isn’t and when he listens to his elders AKA the turtles he becomes mutagen man much like how Icarus fell into the sea. Also here’s my head canon on what I wanted to happen to Timothy. After Donnie makes the first batch of retro mutagen for Kirby in season 2 instead of wanting to use it on Splinter he uses it on Timothy and not only does it turn him back but since he was wearing his costume with the fake muscles the de mutation merged that with his real body giving him a muscular body, but it also changed him mentally. When he moves around as a human he looks at the turtles with great anger at first but he just starts sobbing because he’s mad at himself for being so stupid and reckless and apologizes for when he attacked them and April when he was mutagen man. The turtles accept their apology and apologize themselves since they especially Donnie felt responsible for what happened to him too, and they all reconcile and become friends again. Later like after that episode Timothy is a new student of Splinter training alongside April and they along with Casey become friends and Timothy becomes their new human member of the team.
During the invasion Donnie said “And if I don’t come back you should unfreeze in about 70 years or so” and Mutagen Man being at the bottom of that pit implies he probably unfroze faster than he should’ve and probably died fighting in the arena or just ran out of mutagen and died from no mutagen or food
My only question is in that same episode when Donnie made the frozen mutagen, what was his plan? He clearly didn't want Timothy to drink it, so what was he expecting to do with it? I wish that was explained.
The post-apocalypse episodes are actually confirmed by Nickelodeon to be an alternate reality/ different dimension. So I guess this means that Timothy's fate isn't very specified in the Turtles' actual timeline.
Lemme be honest, Timothy's transformation into the mutagen man made me feel like he was an incomplete mutation. There's just something about the amount of ooze that was just on his head, what he got turned into, and him going through pain and slowly mutating that just feels a bit unsettling to watch
I'm going with the head cannon that the "water" was his expanded body, and the suit was just in him like a pearl. His goo form just diluted to the point that, though alive, he is no longer sapient.
I remember the ninja turtles 2012 cartoon episode kind of scared me. I remember struggling to sleep after seeing it. Imagining the pain he must feel, and seeing a bunch of organs in a jar was shocking to me
I hardly watched this show when it was on TV. Never really knew where this arc was heading, and I can recall many nightmares I've had with mutated Timothy in it just lurking in the background in his tank.😦
One thing I don’t see talked about too often is what happened to the other Evil Mutants? There have been several non Foot mutants throughout the series that at the end of their first appearances seemed to imply that they would return. A few examples being: Snakeweed, Spider Bytez, Cockroach Terminator, Squirrelanoid, and Pizza Face. And yet by the time the show ended they were still at large. But this was a great video on a plot thread the 2012 show left hanging. If you want to make another video talking about another one. I recommend making a video about these guys.
Well, in a weird tragic way, I guess I got my wish. Because Timothy was basically a complete idiot, and as everyone pointed out; "When someone is telling you it's a stupid idea, and you run off to do it anyway, you pretty much lost all sympathy at that point . . ."; I commented a few times many years ago that I hope Timothy has a tragic ending, because "Let it be a lesson, that when you do stupid things, sometimes it ends tragically. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." . . . Looks like that's exactly what happened to him, he was never turned back . . .
from the flashbacks, it looks like the mutagen bomb went off pretty soon after their last adventure before the timeskip- they still look like their teenage selves. so its understandable its not something donnie would be able to do offscreen- once that happened, he had much bigger things to worry about. still, i wonder if he was mutated a third time, or if that killed him, or if he survived long enough to actually fight in that arena. much to think about
that episode isnt canon according to nicklodeon. Also we should really start a petition to urge the creators to revive this show for a movie or a season 6.
Although in the final 2 episodes of season 2 donnie says he will defrost in 70 years so by this point he likely woudnt have even defrosted yet he would still be frozen in the container or donnie defrosted him and cured him
i remember he was frozen and took him back to lab donnie didn't figure it out how to unfrozen him and he been left season 3 and season 4 and season 5 only way he turn back into human he have drink retro mutagen but he still frozen he been frozen at end of tmnt 2012 and donnie didn't know what machine to melt him and donnie didn't want use other machine that could damage timothy easily
I not making comparisons here but Mikey was a bit like him but he's more train and learn from his mistakes. And honestly that's not fair, Timothy been mostly in like 2 or 3 episodes as a human and is remain a mutant throughout the duration of the series. I agree he is annoying but he wasn't a bad guy, he just been dealt a real bad hand.
With the turtles throughout the 2012 show, Chris Bradford was bit by shredders dog and he mutated into dogpound. Xever touched a fish and mutated into a fish. Ppl who get mutated interact with something before they get mutated and change into that said mutation. What did pulverizer interact with before he got mutated into the pile of goo?
OMG I wondered what happened to that character at the end too. I never noticed that detail in the scene. I use to think how cool it would be if Mutagen Man caused that dystopian episode, which is among my favorite.
I like to think that at some point Donnie did attempt to try and use the retro mutagen on Timothy but it probably had no affect on him because the affects that the mutagen had on his body were probably irreversible, I mean after all as the series has shown the retro mutagen doesn't work on certain mutants because it didn't work on Karai or Shredder. So yeah it is a possibility that Timothy's mutation was also irreversible especially because he was frozen.
I don't know why, but first time I see the body in the water, I figured the Mutagem bomb uncold him and recover his arms and legs permantly, and then he showed in that arena where he was beaten and the cristal of his body cracked, faling into the water
Hi im new in your youtube channel when i watch this vid is make my day happy and when mutagen man die im was crying so thank you for telling evryone that mutagen is dead like im not happy when mutagen man die RIP mutagen man/pulvirizer/timmothy
Even though his fate is sad, I feel like it was always right for him. Showing the viewer how messed up mutagen is was important, instead of just showing that it’s this superhero/villain induced liquid
Want to know what’s ironically sad? Timothy believes that by getting himself mutated, he will transform him into a superhero and be the greatest human-mutant hero ever. But sadly, he ended up becoming a hideous, gross blob with his brain and other organs visible, his eyes and lips are on top of stalks. His human mind was reduced to a nearly sentimental yet very unstable, obsessive, dangerous, and sad excuse of a creature. After he grew some limbs from drinking mutagen, in his container, with a voice box, his voice was scratchy and unnatural. When he tired to ask for April, no body understood him and got scared and hostile against him. Making the creature more dangerous and insane. As much Donnie was sadden for what he had to do, the Mutagen Man (formerly Timothy AKA Pulverizer) needs to be frozen for the sake of his safety and for all others. Until one day there would be a cure to bring back the big boy once known as Timothy.
Hey do you remember from last episode tmnt pulverizer is still mutagen man! Why Donatello didn't give him antidote! In ep creeping doom he Finally made now!
Technically Carmageddon is an alternate future/elsworld (we've seen time travelers in the show from a future where the turtles are hailed as heroes for saving the world many times, and one of them is a human, which seem to not exist in Carmageddon) so we don't know what happened to him in the main timeline. And even in Carmageddon the canister could have just been discarded after he was cured
2:32 Im pretty the Mutagen man didn't had a crush on April, he mostly was trying to help Donnie get back with after the whole ordeal with the turtles turning her father into a bat(Wingnut).
Much like with a few of the characters, they mutated Timothy into Mutagen Man to sell toys. And that was it. It was very obvious they had no idea or plans for the character after he was mutated.
That’s the problem with 2012 TMNT. Is that too much plot lines going on that I couldn’t keep track and began to lose focus. That’s my main problem with shows in the early 2010s. There was such an effort to tell huge stories since Avatar: The Last Airbender aired. But they just threw in too much and it just seemed like they couldn’t fit it all in. The agency of the characters just didn’t seem important enough to be on the journey. The stories were trying too hard to stuff too much detail. It was trying too hard to use the complex style like in Anime, but not in a fun way. I think that’s the problem with 2010s cartoons. There was this huge attempt to duplicate the success of Anime. But without a clear agency, focus or control on the story and characters. Most shows often fell flat.
I agree but TMNT was kinda always like that. Tmnt's formula was monster of the week while build the universe, each monster was person we knew in the show. Once the new monster of the week ran out then a story needed to be told.
At first Timothy was this goofball that his mind was just warped after his mutation. But now I think he did it to himself, he wanted the one liners, wipe the floor with bad guys, etc, but he didn't even put in a bit of work to his ' skills ', I bet the foot clan just wanted someone to trip up traps and get blasted at, even tho the turtles that have been trained even as kids tried to stop him. And what happened to him when he didn't listen to them
If I remember correctly Timothy gets frozen by the modified ooze before Michaelangelo accidentally creates retro-mutagen. So Donatello would have to figure out how to defrost him before being able to use the anti-ooze on him.
I am not gonna lie, I sorta forgot about Timothy/The Mutagen Man during the series. I can't remember when, but I think it was after the last time Donnie talks to Timothy was my last time thinking about/remembering that Donnie just kept him around in a giant glass container thing.
It’s a real shame to since Timothy wanted to be a hero so bad and ended up being probably the worst mutants imaginable *I mean the dude literally turned into goo*
There's also Fugitoid and the duplicate Turtle gang that never got resolved either. But Timoty did deserve have had involvement again and closure or some sort of pay off after all of that
Okay so they (Mickey) turned Baxter Stockman back into human for no reason, but they just sort of forgot about timothy the first person donny gave his Promise, not once but twice to turn him back jeez
I always saw Timothy as a cautionary tale. A reminder to the audience that, hey, vigilantism is NOT for everyone and the only reason the Turtles can pull it off is because they’ve been trained from birth as ninjas. Timothy wanted to be a hero, but he didn’t want to put in the hard work of learning the basics or developing lifesaving skills. He wanted to skip to the part where he wipes the floor with mooks without breaking a sweat & gets all the cool one-liners. And his hubris & desire to speed-run his hero’s journey led to his transformation into a semi-sentient pile of goo.
I think you're partially right. At the beginning, Timothy wanted to skip all the training and get right to heroism. However, after his first episode, he decides to seek training for himself. He goes to a dojo to get actual training, but ends up getting tricked into being cannon fodder. The point is, he _does_ actually _try._ Plus, he was obviously trying his best at being a Foot grunt. There's no way they weren't working him as hard as they could. Timothy was obviously immature and impatient, but I think he absolutely had the drive to go through actual training, and he probably could have become a decent fighter if he'd found a proper teacher.
In his second episode, the turtles _know_ Timothy is not at all experienced enough to be a spy in the Foot. Timothy does not have the full context of what the Foot is, what they have done, what they are willing to do. He does not have the full context of the horrible things mutagen can do to people. When the turtles agreed to let him be a spy, they effectively decided that the life of this civilian with almost no training was worth risking for the sake of information.
I think Timothy was meant to be a cautionary tale, but to me it feels more like the turtles failing to care enough about the safety of a kid who didn't fully understand what he was getting into.
Granted, it was pretty dumb of him to ignore the repeated warnings _not_ to expose himself to the mutagen, but I just don't think he should have been in a situation where that was an option to begin with.
Thats actually a pretty solid interpretation
Interesting analysis 🤔 there.
I think another things about his character is being a commentary on getting powers through like radiation and what not. How many heroes come into waste or radioactive material; going through the whole Spider-man song and dance and end up with powers? Mutagen man is basically the reality on what would happen on a fantasy but horrific level.
I think it's meant to say; Hey! Just because your favorite heroes got their powers this way, don't forget that this is all fantasy and this is not how things work for you, mess with things you shouldn't and it will not end up well for you.
Some humans in this universe were just born super-human apparently. Like Casey Jones. Kid has no formal training and he's powerful enough to go toe to toe with the Turtles and can launch grown man several feet. Timothy just didn't have the same kind of natural raw strength. Tbh, if Timothy was smart he'd touch a powerful animal before dumping mutagen on himself. If I'm going to become a mutant you bet your ass I'll touch some cool shit first like a wolf, or a gator, or a hawk.
To be fair the Carmageddon episodes were just "What If..." type stories. So if we had gotten another TV special, they would've helped him...probably.
Or a comic-exclusive story
Why did the show end that way again, was it finally time or did it get cancelled?
@@MusicalComparisons It was time. The show was given a 5 season deal from Nick and that's basically it.
it's unfortunately a fixture that could never get resolved due complexe and cohesive stories. though it was likely toy sales for the character that kept the character from getting arcs. ironically another relic character we never see again is pigeon Pete by next appearance of the mutanimals they imply something else happened offscreen. thoughts likely toys and writers dislike since they had tooled with getting rid of dogpound before turning him into razar.
Yeah, and maybe done one where they'd somehow prevent that alternate future from happening.
Y'know, his old canister being in there doesn't necessarily mean they never changed him back. It could just mean they didn't need it to hold him anymore and threw it out because they cured him
But if it’s a empty husk why would it end up in a battle dome? The mutants probably didn’t put it there it wouldn’t serve any purpose , most likely he dethawed after 70 years like Donnie promised and somehow got captured and forced to battle , he failed and got tossed into the pit and sank , he isn’t exactly buoyant tho so he probably was stuck down there and slowly either starved or the water got in and he dissolved , either way mutagen man died in extreme pain both physically and mentally having lost everything over and over again
@@fossilrecd or, hypothetically, maybe, and this might sound utterly insane: it got there before they turned into a battle dome. Because I'm 80% sure there wasn't always a giant battle dome there. And if it helps you at all since it really seems like you wanna see this poor guy suffer, Timothy probably died horribly in the mutagen bomb explosion after being cured
@@Splonton the point of mutagen man in every series is that he suffers in the current comics rn he is begging his friend to shoot him till he stops living , in every timeline this dude has to have horrible stuff happen to him it’s just a universal joke repeating on loop always passing on to the next mutagen man to meet the same awful path , also how would it end up in a dug pit? The pit looks intentionally dug after the mutagen bomb went off and he was left in the sewer no where near the pit
@@Splonton oh also yeah no he has never gotten cured in any comics either that I’ve read, only out for him has always been his deaths
More likely he was another victim of the fighting arena.
He was literally turned into a pile of goo and organs. I feel like if they were to try to turn him back he'd probably be just a pile of organs. Like, you can only be mutated a certain amount of times before you're too far gone right? Maybe that was the case for Timothy.
Makes him more related to his comic counterpart, too. Where taking him behind the wood shed, and having him go the way of Old Yeller is a kindness.
@@cooltrainervaultboy-39
Honestly putting this man out of his misery is the right thing to do. He's suffered enough as it is.
@@avadiamondcaster5130 I unironically just thought his bones would turn into the actual goo,meaning the bits of goo he did loose after being put inside that container would just mean he'd be a few pounds lighter after becoming human.
Something else you could assume is he turns into a blob of skin,because where would that acid go?Timothy would just look like Peter Griffin after he wished to not have bones.
That’s what happened to Shredder and Razar
He used to Be a Giant Shinu dog with a giant hand bone, Until he fell again in the mutagen and turned to a Zombie dog
Or.... Mutagen Man was cured and Donatello just dumped the tank he was in as he no longer had a use for it!
Hope so
Yeah, that seems like best way of looking at it! But anyways, Hello you!
Larry always being the positive one in a cruel world.
Hello you!
Why are you such a never-ending bright-spot on the internet, Mr. Guru Larry?
Timothy's horrible fate is to this day one of the strongest memories I have of this show. Now in my early twenties I look back at his character and realize how downright irresponsibly neglectful and messed up all of this was handled by the writers.
But looking through the comments its definitely good to know that I'm FAR from the only one feeling this way.
I just had a thought/Idea for what they could have actually done with him.
After he got frozen, what if someone else took him, instead of the turtles. Like after he was frozen, the turtles briefly leave to perhaps say check on April or say, find a way to bring him back to the lair, only for his body to be missing after their brief leave. It cuts to a lab only to reveal the one that took him was...... Baxter Stockman.And the thing is, that could ABSOLUTLEY work under that context.
For one thing considering Baxter was stockpiling on mutagen, so I could imagine a scenario where he finds Timothy's body only to take him back to his lair. He could then unthaw him and make him his Mutant underling, similar to how Shredder has his underlings. As for their dynamic, I can also say, they most would have a good one considering... both characters are basically two sides of the same coin. I say this because, look at their backgrounds. Baxter was an outcast nerd treated horribly by his parents and is often treated horribly by his peers in the Foot Clan for being weak and pathetic. While Timothy was more of a fanboy eager to help others, but he would often be looked at as a joke by the turtles. And while he would be a bit ignorant and optimistic with his situation, Baxter would brood and want revenge on all who's wronged him. So I could totally see Baxter maybe finding out more about Timothy, only to use that against the Turtles, molding him into a Frankenstein's Monster. Only this time, he would be Stockman's Mutagen Man!!
I could even imagine Baxter giving him a container that also doubled as a robotic suit ala previous iterations. This could also be a good way for him to actually move about without needing Mutagen, making him much versatile and more threatening as a result. This could even lead to Timothy finding out what Baxter was doing and even betray him to save the Turtles and become the Hero he's always wanted to be. Thus ending with him being turned human again, contemplating his life and begins his training.. for real this time and ending his arc.
And if that's a scenario that seems like a huge stretch to be seen as a potential story, I also want to point out that both characters do their best to act like characters from a comic book. Timothy trying to be a Comic Book Hero, while Baxter is trying to be a Comic Book Villain. That seems intentional for these two, so I'm just saying.
I saw a good concept art for a mutagen man suit.Maybe add in built in weapons using kraang technology aswell as a supply of mutagen he can use to produce more acid and turn into ammo.
@@theseedoflife5102 Can I see it?
Hm, yeah that could be cool, considering how everything else in the show has gone, it probably would've been done well.
Kuso
Why haven't you sent in a spec script to the comics yet? That has a lot of great points!
Donnie: I've finally made Retro-Mutagen for April's dad, Karai, Super Shredder, and even Baxter.
Timothy: and me right? 😀
Donnie:
Timothy: and me right? 🤨
Lmao wait until he finds out that the turtles wasted retromutagen on shredder only for it not to work.
The whole show had plot threads that weren't complete. And that future episode was more of a what-if than a canon thing if ya ask me. I mean, The Professor's head was still in space, there was so much more to do and explore.
@@Danimal4321 Symphony
Always found it weird when they finally had retro mutagen they went for splinter, not Timothy.
@@Danimal4321 facts
@@Danimal4321 true
@@Danimal4321 exactly! Everyone blamed the turtles but he was an idiot and got himself involved in this situation
You found it weird they went for their father over a random obsessive fan boy?
@@ToonGrin right?
In my own head cannon, the Mutant Apocalypse story arc is an alternate reality from the original TMNT 2012 universe. It's because in some episodes in the series, the turtles end up meeting Renet, a time traveler from the future who lives in a world where the turtles are honored as heroes who saved the world dozens of times, while Mutant Apocalypse seems to retcon that. Perhaps since Donnie ended up inventing retro mutagen, he could have saved Timothy off-screen, and he swore off hero work after being turned into a monster, while in Mutant Apocalypse, he could very well have died before retro mutagen was invented by Donnie, and died like how you pointed out in the video. This is all just my opinion though. This video was great, and I hope to see more!!!
That's not just headcannon though, Nick outright confirmed that the Mutant Apocalypse is non canon, nothing more than an Elseworld story.
@@felixdaniels37 Wow never knew that. Glad to know Nick mentioned so they can do whatever they please without continuity issues. Thanks for clarifying.
The mutant apocalyspe your talking about is actually just in a alternate dimension for the series atleast from what i heard
So the mutant apocalypse was not a episode
@@goldenangrycake1976 still an episode but not cannon i heard it was just a alternate ending
@@cartoonfangirl_1136 so the mutant apocalypse was not cannon to the story.
@@Danimal4321 i honestly dont know i just heard from alot of people
@@Danimal4321 That's not how canon or multiverse works.
Even with the multiverse being a thing there is still some semblance of canon.
It is part of the Multiverse yes. But it is still not canon to the shows main time line. It is canon only to Carmagedon.
Also if canon is thrown out the window. That means that fanfics are fair game. And we both know we do not want that
Poor dude, he's probably the character that's suffered the most pain. I thought they were going to give him a satisfying ending.
Comics Mutagen Man: Suicidal about his mutation
2012 Mutagen Man: Addicted to Mutagen that made him insane
Dam, Mutagen man's gone through some of the most darkest parts of being a teenager
Wait a Minute, The Addict in mutagen is a metaphor for DRUGS?! This very complex
There is actually quite a bit of unresolved character stories and it really bothered me. Timothy and Pigeon Pete being my top 2 characters I always wanted to have an actual explanation to as to what happened to them.
Also;
-April's mom
-Alopex
-Spider Bites (I guess he does show up every now and then, though barley)
-Some more of Metal head
-Professor Honey Cutt always kinda confused me
-Did Mikey date Renett or Shini?
-Did April choose Donnie or Casey?
Probably some more that I can't think of rn
I still can't believe they never gave this series proper closure.
I suppose that's the curse of being owned by Nickelodeon.
Yep
@@AgentKyo it's better than being the yellow sponge that keeps going and going
@@bustersword275 That's different cuz SpongeBob isn't this deep but I get what you're saying
*S p o n g e b o b m i l k i n g f o r e v e r*
Agreed I was really disappointed with April's mom I felt like they were filling us with hope that we'd see her again and finally find out what happend especially in that farm house episode but nothing ever happened
I always just assumed once they were able to make a steady supply of Retro Mutagen they just defrosted him turned him back and sent him home. I could totally believe that after being in a tank for that long and going on a rampage he would've had his fill of the Mutant thing, and just went back to living his normal life. But if that were true it would probably be important to show that or at least have one of them acknowledge it happening. I mean they went out of there way showing Baxter Stockman turning back, so why not him? But this is just my headcanon..
That's what I headcanon too.
That dude would need so much therapy afterwards.
“I promise,Timothy…One day,I’ll turn you back.” - 2012 Donnie’s biggest ass lie.
Mutagen Man is truly a tragic character. Ever since his debut, I always felt awful for him. Ever since his mutation disfigured him, he was condemned to a cruel and pitiful existence.
If this show were to come back, I think Donnie should bring back Timothy...only for the human to be angry because he never wanted to be changed. Imagine Pulverizer, treated like an outcast all his life, and all it did for others to take him seriously was for him to embrace the monster. This would result in Timothy mutating himself again into a far more threatening Mutagen Man, and if not dealt with, could implode and take out half of the city. Donnie would have no choice but to demutate him to the point it would kill him. It would make a heartbreaking and excellent episode.
You literally made a episode.
3:43 umm....how the FUCK did I never notice that before????non-cannon or not that's fucked up...at this point they were better off killing him in the season 2 episode instead of freezing him
I just noticed that
I also didn't notice on that scene as well.
I was wondering on What Ever Happened to Timothy/The Pulverizer who has become Mutagen Man, and the answer was unknown.....until unfortunately i saw this scene know and it give the answer to my question.
Tbh. I think the creators forgot about him or didn’t know what to do with him
@@Ohg665 they could've made a special arc in season 5 about turning mutagen man Human again
@@lancemuise2005 like l said just now. Forgot about him or didn’t know what to do with him after that. Not only that, but the show got canceled so…we would never know if they were gonna bring him back
The reasons why he mutated like that in the 2012 show is because he used plain mutagen without any other genetic material in it. So to make sure you don’t turn into him you need to add genetic make up of other species.
@Thorin Rei Sob a Montanha. Not SKIN contact.
Hah, I just thought what if the shedder mutated into a paper shredder, the thing is when shedder mutated he grew those metalic like spikes on his body, the trash mutant guy too. Pizza mutant, I think a better explanation is that the mutagen that he got on him was unstable.
It’s still a little inconsistent though. Xever turned into a fish because he ate a fish taco hours earlier. Had Timothy not eaten anything at all for days prior to his exposure?
Snake stepped on a weed with boots and jeans on, and that was enough to turn him into a plant monster. Did the turtles, Bradford, and Xever really not leave a single bead of sweat or skin cell on Timothy while he was fumbling all over the place?
@@LoganWH8Xever turned into a fish because he had touched a snakefish in a tank earlier with Bradford. Snake fell on his ass and had his actual hands touch the weeds around the hideout so that's why he turned into Snakeweed. Timothy never made direct contact with anyone or anything because the Foot soldier uniform covers most of your body and he always had gloves on. I don't think it's a plothole
That 2012 episode was kind of disturbing, the fact that they never resolved it either and he's just stuck as organs in a jar for the rest of his life is really dark
Do more episodes like this of unresolved plots like April's mom.
I always just assumed that April’s mom was dead.
@@h-bitgraphics3858 they never answered she mentioned in the horror episodes April said she'd find her but nothing after that.
And the Cockroach Terminator
@@prosandconsguy7454 Yes, they did. They mentioned in Buried Secrets that April's mom was experimented on by the Kraang and died long ago when April was just a kid.
@@cryptified_edits that might have been a lie we don't know
Kinda wanted Timothy to mutate into a reptile originally to be honest
Well, I mean he did made physical contact with the turtles, most with Donnie, when he pulled him from the mutagen container, so he could've turned into a turtle, but Nick wanted to be original I suppose, I mean we already have Spike.
@@Infinite_The_Jackal_673 Actually he never made contact with the turtles. He was wearing gloves this whole time and that's why he turned into a pile of organs. The mutagen had nothing to work with except for the bacteria living inside his body.
@@Infinite_The_Jackal_673 I was thinking something more like an iguana or chameleon or some type of lizard
@@jaborsey_joseph Oh, well, Karai and Spike and Mondo and Napoleon and Leatherhead, whom are already Reptilian/Amphibious mutants, so having another would kinda decreased the variety, of other Mammalian or Oceanic creatures to come into place, you know?
Maybe some pseudo version of mondo gecko?
I'm suddenly reminded of my absolute salt and rage at the 2012 series for abandoning Timothy...and also my unfinished fix-it fic where the turtles actually remember to cure him.
He mutated into a blue hedgehog with super speed.
Roger Craig Smith
Or the awesome Holographic Trickster known as Mirage!
@@officialkirbyfan6899
Who?
Screw the producers for not bringing him back! They just had to make the mutant apocalypse arc
And dont forget those annoying love drama-triangles too...
@@Danimal4321 The idea is closure. They've had since S1 to cure him, make him part of the Mutanimals (which is actually par the course for the character), just do something to wrap up his character, and how the creators never got around to it is absolutely 100% mind boggling!
@@williamkerfoot8039 it's especially odd, because back when they first introduced the character they said Muragen Man was a favorite of their's, (even had the retro original action figure of him) and were excited to adapt him into the new series.
@@Danimal4321 I know that each series ends eventually, so it actually IS necessary! For some characters, it's even more so!
@@Danimal4321 The 2003 series didn't. The 1987 series didn't. Neither one of the original trilogy movies did. The Platinum Dunes movies didn't. Should I go on?
I really feel sorry for Timothy. The idea of becoming a hero certainly went to his head, but he had absolutely no bad intentions and paid for his mistake very harshly.
And then the writers just forgot about him, even though Donnie created the Retro-Mutagen
I assumed Donny still hadn't found a way to help him so he just stayed frozen. Now that I've seen the fate of Mutagen Man's container, I have another theory. It's possible he died but it's just as likely Donny did manage to change him back and the container was just left there. After all, we can't see if he's still in the container.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was possible that the Krang took the container housing Mutagen Man after they stormed the Turtles' base at the end of Season 2. Because once they finally make it back to their home after the invasion was over, Donni found his lab thrashed and a lot of things missing (including Timothy).
Part of me always assumed he was taken by the little squishy brains to be researched on or something.
have you watched the whole show? it ended on season 5 not season 2
@@alio6051 Yes the last season for Tales of TMNT I own the entire series on DVD
I wish he was taken and made a return later on defrosted. But i think the writters just forgot to add him in that episode cause he is shown there later on as the series went on
What makes it worse was that Timothy was Donnie's Student.
One of the other sad moments. There is a brief moment where the turtles comment on how good Timothy is at driving the shellraiser. If I remember right he tells them he used to drive a bus or something. I thought sure the kid cant fight but maybe he would learn his other talents like driving could help in situations. I was used to Zack from the old show tagging along. I thought maybe Timothy might be the one they call when they need a fifth person to drive the car. he could have learned how all the teck in the car worked faster than getting his body in shape and learning how to fight.
This was a good analysis of both versions. I always saw Timothy in the 2012 version as a modern day Icarus, he’s someone who is reckless, arrogant, and who thinks what he’s doing is a big game when it isn’t and when he listens to his elders AKA the turtles he becomes mutagen man much like how Icarus fell into the sea. Also here’s my head canon on what I wanted to happen to Timothy. After Donnie makes the first batch of retro mutagen for Kirby in season 2 instead of wanting to use it on Splinter he uses it on Timothy and not only does it turn him back but since he was wearing his costume with the fake muscles the de mutation merged that with his real body giving him a muscular body, but it also changed him mentally. When he moves around as a human he looks at the turtles with great anger at first but he just starts sobbing because he’s mad at himself for being so stupid and reckless and apologizes for when he attacked them and April when he was mutagen man. The turtles accept their apology and apologize themselves since they especially Donnie felt responsible for what happened to him too, and they all reconcile and become friends again. Later like after that episode Timothy is a new student of Splinter training alongside April and they along with Casey become friends and Timothy becomes their new human member of the team.
I always thought he was blown up with the rest of everyone else but knowing his body was at the bottom of an arena is so much worse
During the invasion Donnie said “And if I don’t come back you should unfreeze in about 70 years or so” and Mutagen Man being at the bottom of that pit implies he probably unfroze faster than he should’ve and probably died fighting in the arena or just ran out of mutagen and died from no mutagen or food
The entire 2012 show devolved into a pile of unresolved plot threads. I still wonder what the fuck happened to this show
It probably turned into a nostalgic baiting cartoon
Nickelodeon was rushing them to end the show as quick as possible, and only gave them 4 or 6 weeks time to create a finale.
@@cryptified_edits Source?
@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ Somewhere in an interview. I do not have the source anymore because it is from 2017.
@@cryptified_edits i can believe that knowing that the television network owners can be cruel
I wonder if Mutagen Man was a direct response to kid fans playing around in the sewers and he was a PSA to deter them from doing that.
My only question is in that same episode when Donnie made the frozen mutagen, what was his plan? He clearly didn't want Timothy to drink it, so what was he expecting to do with it? I wish that was explained.
The post-apocalypse episodes are actually confirmed by Nickelodeon to be an alternate reality/ different dimension. So I guess this means that Timothy's fate isn't very specified in the Turtles' actual timeline.
They forgot about him
I Think He Literally Dies when they return. We don't see his organs in the canister.
Lemme be honest, Timothy's transformation into the mutagen man made me feel like he was an incomplete mutation. There's just something about the amount of ooze that was just on his head, what he got turned into, and him going through pain and slowly mutating that just feels a bit unsettling to watch
I'm going with the head cannon that the "water" was his expanded body, and the suit was just in him like a pearl. His goo form just diluted to the point that, though alive, he is no longer sapient.
I remember the ninja turtles 2012 cartoon episode kind of scared me. I remember struggling to sleep after seeing it. Imagining the pain he must feel, and seeing a bunch of organs in a jar was shocking to me
I hated how season 5 was rushed with powerscaling and the whole demon lore should have had more to explore
I hardly watched this show when it was on TV. Never really knew where this arc was heading, and I can recall many nightmares I've had with mutated Timothy in it just lurking in the background in his tank.😦
It's so weird hearing his voice when he was introduced. I always imagined Sonic The Hedgehog fanboying over the ninja turtles
One thing I don’t see talked about too often is what happened to the other Evil Mutants? There have been several non Foot mutants throughout the series that at the end of their first appearances seemed to imply that they would return. A few examples being: Snakeweed, Spider Bytez, Cockroach Terminator, Squirrelanoid, and Pizza Face. And yet by the time the show ended they were still at large. But this was a great video on a plot thread the 2012 show left hanging. If you want to make another video talking about another one. I recommend making a video about these guys.
Well, in a weird tragic way, I guess I got my wish.
Because Timothy was basically a complete idiot, and as everyone pointed out; "When someone is telling you it's a stupid idea, and you run off to do it anyway, you pretty much lost all sympathy at that point . . ."; I commented a few times many years ago that I hope Timothy has a tragic ending, because "Let it be a lesson, that when you do stupid things, sometimes it ends tragically. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
. . . Looks like that's exactly what happened to him, he was never turned back . . .
from the flashbacks, it looks like the mutagen bomb went off pretty soon after their last adventure before the timeskip- they still look like their teenage selves. so its understandable its not something donnie would be able to do offscreen- once that happened, he had much bigger things to worry about. still, i wonder if he was mutated a third time, or if that killed him, or if he survived long enough to actually fight in that arena. much to think about
that episode isnt canon according to nicklodeon. Also we should really start a petition to urge the creators to revive this show for a movie or a season 6.
His story is INCREDIBLY dark.
Although in the final 2 episodes of season 2 donnie says he will defrost in 70 years so by this point he likely woudnt have even defrosted yet he would still be frozen in the container or donnie defrosted him and cured him
I remember the 2012 mutagen man, used to terrify me when I was younger, because of his design
R.I.P. timothy 😢
i remember he was frozen and took him back to lab donnie didn't figure it out how to unfrozen him and he been left season 3 and season 4 and season 5 only way he turn back into human he have drink retro mutagen but he still frozen he been frozen at end of tmnt 2012 and donnie didn't know what machine to melt him and donnie didn't want use other machine that could damage timothy easily
Such a heartbreaking character
I’ll be honest… I really hated Timothy/Pulverizer/Mutatgen Man. He was just…. Annoying, in so many ways and none of them good.
I not making comparisons here but Mikey was a bit like him but he's more train and learn from his mistakes. And honestly that's not fair, Timothy been mostly in like 2 or 3 episodes as a human and is remain a mutant throughout the duration of the series. I agree he is annoying but he wasn't a bad guy, he just been dealt a real bad hand.
His unresolved arch disturbed me growing up he was not bad at all and got one of the most brutal mutations in tmnt history.
Imagine how much more disturbing he’d be if he had the organic muscular arms like the 80’s version.
With the turtles throughout the 2012 show, Chris Bradford was bit by shredders dog and he mutated into dogpound. Xever touched a fish and mutated into a fish. Ppl who get mutated interact with something before they get mutated and change into that said mutation. What did pulverizer interact with before he got mutated into the pile of goo?
OMG I wondered what happened to that character at the end too.
I never noticed that detail in the scene.
I use to think how cool it would be if Mutagen Man caused that dystopian episode, which is among my favorite.
Thank you for helping
Tmethy was gone 😢😢
That episode with Mad Max like world is an alternate dimension so relax
if i remember shredder set a mutagen nuke and it destroy the entire world/city, which is why all the turtle got separated and lead to the last season
I like to think that at some point Donnie did attempt to try and use the retro mutagen on Timothy but it probably had no affect on him because the affects that the mutagen had on his body were probably irreversible, I mean after all as the series has shown the retro mutagen doesn't work on certain mutants because it didn't work on Karai or Shredder.
So yeah it is a possibility that Timothy's mutation was also irreversible especially because he was frozen.
They probably cured him offscreen
I don't know why, but first time I see the body in the water, I figured the Mutagem bomb uncold him and recover his arms and legs permantly, and then he showed in that arena where he was beaten and the cristal of his body cracked, faling into the water
They should make one more season and find a way to cure Timothy despite him being a moron
I think you can even see Mutagenmans remains within the contaighner in the Fifth season
4:00
IIRC, It's suppose to be set 50 years into the future
RW:man,talk about a tragic character and i feel sorry for him ☹️
Hi im new in your youtube channel when i watch this vid is make my day happy and when mutagen man die im was crying so thank you for telling evryone that mutagen is dead like im not happy when mutagen man die RIP mutagen man/pulvirizer/timmothy
Donnie began the development of the retro mutagen for Timothy since they met months ago
Even though his fate is sad, I feel like it was always right for him. Showing the viewer how messed up mutagen is was important, instead of just showing that it’s this superhero/villain induced liquid
i saw the initial episode with timothy, but none of the rest. this is just a really wild story, accompanying such an unsettling character design.
I didn't know he was a character that's been around since the 80s
That’s just the husk of his Mutagen body. Nothing says he wasn’t turned back and then discarded of the big jar he was in.
Donnie did make a retro mutagen but never had the chance to change him back
Want to know what’s ironically sad?
Timothy believes that by getting himself mutated, he will transform him into a superhero and be the greatest human-mutant hero ever.
But sadly, he ended up becoming a hideous, gross blob with his brain and other organs visible, his eyes and lips are on top of stalks.
His human mind was reduced to a nearly sentimental yet very unstable, obsessive, dangerous, and sad excuse of a creature.
After he grew some limbs from drinking mutagen, in his container, with a voice box, his voice was scratchy and unnatural. When he tired to ask for April, no body understood him and got scared and hostile against him. Making the creature more dangerous and insane.
As much Donnie was sadden for what he had to do, the Mutagen Man (formerly Timothy AKA Pulverizer) needs to be frozen for the sake of his safety and for all others. Until one day there would be a cure to bring back the big boy once known as Timothy.
Hey do you remember from last episode tmnt pulverizer is still mutagen man! Why Donatello didn't give him antidote! In ep creeping doom he Finally made now!
Well at least Mutagan man has been put out of his misery.
Assuming he's not still alive in that tank down there in the muck, in that timeline.
Technically Carmageddon is an alternate future/elsworld (we've seen time travelers in the show from a future where the turtles are hailed as heroes for saving the world many times, and one of them is a human, which seem to not exist in Carmageddon) so we don't know what happened to him in the main timeline. And even in Carmageddon the canister could have just been discarded after he was cured
there only time one mention about timothy aka pulerizer that is muckman
2:32 Im pretty the Mutagen man didn't had a crush on April, he mostly was trying to help Donnie get back with after the whole ordeal with the turtles turning her father into a bat(Wingnut).
Eh, more like hearing so much about April from Donnie caused M.M. to develop a fixation on April.
It was Timothy fault he choose to turn himself and the turtles told him not to do it
Much like with a few of the characters, they mutated Timothy into Mutagen Man to sell toys. And that was it. It was very obvious they had no idea or plans for the character after he was mutated.
That’s the problem with 2012 TMNT. Is that too much plot lines going on that I couldn’t keep track and began to lose focus.
That’s my main problem with shows in the early 2010s. There was such an effort to tell huge stories since Avatar: The Last Airbender aired. But they just threw in too much and it just seemed like they couldn’t fit it all in.
The agency of the characters just didn’t seem important enough to be on the journey. The stories were trying too hard to stuff too much detail. It was trying too hard to use the complex style like in Anime, but not in a fun way.
I think that’s the problem with 2010s cartoons. There was this huge attempt to duplicate the success of Anime. But without a clear agency, focus or control on the story and characters. Most shows often fell flat.
That's such a perfect summary of the problems with SOOOO many 2010s shows.
very true
thats summary for really most of tmnt.
I agree but TMNT was kinda always like that. Tmnt's formula was monster of the week while build the universe, each monster was person we knew in the show. Once the new monster of the week ran out then a story needed to be told.
Bullcrap.
At first Timothy was this goofball that his mind was just warped after his mutation. But now I think he did it to himself, he wanted the one liners, wipe the floor with bad guys, etc, but he didn't even put in a bit of work to his ' skills ', I bet the foot clan just wanted someone to trip up traps and get blasted at, even tho the turtles that have been trained even as kids tried to stop him. And what happened to him when he didn't listen to them
If I remember correctly Timothy gets frozen by the modified ooze before Michaelangelo accidentally creates retro-mutagen. So Donatello would have to figure out how to defrost him before being able to use the anti-ooze on him.
Back then when I saw him mutate into that, I thought that’s why humans will look like if they get mutated without mixing any other DNA.
I am not gonna lie, I sorta forgot about Timothy/The Mutagen Man during the series. I can't remember when, but I think it was after the last time Donnie talks to Timothy was my last time thinking about/remembering that Donnie just kept him around in a giant glass container thing.
theres also an arguement that he somehow mutated himself back or well worse enough to get a body again
Man, the Pulvirizer to Mutagen Man case was quite funny and sad.
It’s a real shame to since Timothy wanted to be a hero so bad and ended up being probably the worst mutants imaginable
*I mean the dude literally turned into goo*
There's also Fugitoid and the duplicate Turtle gang that never got resolved either. But Timoty did deserve have had involvement again and closure or some sort of pay off after all of that
As serious as this is, I cannot take it seriously when SONIC THE HEDGEHOG CALLS HIMSELF THE PULVERIZER
Okay so they (Mickey) turned Baxter Stockman back into human for no reason, but they just sort of forgot about timothy the first person donny gave his Promise, not once but twice to turn him back jeez
Forget about Timothy we are cutting our losses and ending serial
This is such a tragic character.
Best nick show ever.
the body at the bottom could just be empty, meaning he was cured and they just simply disposed of the no longer needed prosthetic body/container.
My guess is that Donnie cured Timothy and turned him back and he must have died when the mutagen bomb went off in the apocalypse