I did my senior thesis for my anthropology B.A. on social boundary maintenance in the straight-edge community. A majority of my research was done at hardcore shows in Detroit. I've been going to them quite regularly since I've been a teenager- 2002 and on up to last year when I worked on the project. I've definitely noticed the "bubble" inflate (around 2004-2007) and deflate (2009-present). The fan presence at venues has dwindled tremendously in the past four years.
Went to my first show CIRCLE JERKS at the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor in 1985 or 86. Went to the Grounds Coffee House every weekend in the 90s to see EARTH CRISIS, SNAPCASE, and STRIFE, or CHOKEHOLD, or FALLING FORWARD, ENDPOINT, GUILT, ENKINDEL...Louisville played at least once a month. SPLIT LIP, DESPAIR...EARTHMOVER, WALLS OF JERICHO, PITTBULL, COLD AS LIFE, RICOCHET...
"Once I found hardcore,it was over" ain't that the fucking truth,I fucking love Hardcore. Im glad to see Scott overcame the drugs and focused on music,im the flip side of the coun,I focused on drugs,not the music,now im 40 years old living with the regret of knowing I could've done something and didn't. drugs and music don't mix kids,focus on the music drugs lead to nowhere but negative feelings and death,take it from someone whose been thru it
I got into heroin via John Brannon of LAUGHING HYENAS/NEGATIVE APPROACH in 1992, Detroit. I was with him and Larissa (R.I.P.) Hyenas guitarist, everyday. I was 22 and thought Brannon was the king of hardcore, and the LAUGHING HYENAS the greatest rock n punk band, and a natural evolution when you're a punk rocker over 35. I see him around and my heart brakes. He is the one that delivered the heroin that killed my best friend, Gump, in 1997. Gump had just got out of a year in jail and used for the first time, and boom...lights out. You know how fragile we are when we just get out of jail or rehab! Brannon cannot be held guilty for what Gump CHOSE to do. But it all breaks my heart. When I listen to "Tied Down" or "You Can't Pray a Lie" my anger points in one direction everytime.
I love watching people get butthurt over all the shit Scott says in his videos/ or on stage, he doesn't really care what other people think about him and I respect that. If you don't like the guy or the band for that matter why are you hear to begin with?
Fucking love hardcore, the music just feels heavier and the lyrics actually have meaning and thought put into them. Hardcore is so much more than just music. I love metal and pop punk and all that still, but hardcore for me is just more meaningful.
Great documentary, didn't realize Chad from New Found Glory and Paul Miner from Death by Stereo recorded that record. Scott Vogel is still the best hardcore vocalist too
I love hardcore!!! That's where I have always fit in since I was a young teenager in the late 90's early 00's. I am a mom now but hardcore lives on and I will always love hardcore. I have met so many interesting people and they never made me feel like an outcast.
words cannot explain the love i have had for terror. BIG fuckin love from Malaysia. WWHCNYHCMYHC!!!!!!! i fuckin am truly thankful for HC ! om shanti !!!
Yeah, you have it backwards. Those bands are more pure Hardcore. The other hardcore like Terror for example is way less "pure hardcore" because it borrows so heavily from Metal.
I'm a thrasher but I love a good hardcore or cross over band. I'd rather go to a hardcore show with a bunch of good friends than go to a metal show with a bunch of wasted elitists. Both scenes need to be friends with each other again.
I'm 41 and I have been here for almost 28 yrs. I am not going anywhere anytime soon. Hardcorepunk is simply who I am. It is not complicated or intricate. It's simple & straightforward, like hardcore.
@@skatepunx2489 Mos def, brother. My favorite band is The CLASH. Joe Strummer is my idol! I first heard them when I was 13, I'm 52 now. I met Strummer in 1999, thanks to Candace from WALLS OF JERICHO who worked security at St. Andrew's Hall in Detroit where the show was. She got me two free tickets and me and my best friend who discovered punk & hardcore with me in the 80s went. We hung out afterwards with Strummer and he signed my set list. Years of heroin addiction caused me to lose that, along with everything else. July 2023, I've been off heroin for years. No cocaine & no Xanax and no vodka. Worldwide hardcorepunk we can't slow down!!
@@skatepunx2489 I sold about 1000-1200 records to a shop in Ferndale over the course of a year in 2006. I was living in Detroit on Schoolcraft & Evergreen at a trap house. I'd grab some vinyl from my storage in Ann Arbor and sell it for $150 or so almost daily. I had a huge habit and didn't care. Original MISFITS vinyl from the early 80s, everything had to go to keep me from being dopesick.
Very cool. I graduated from university in 2009 in Atlanta. I remember going to shows between 2005-2009, although they were mostly metal concerts. Popular bands always drew large crowds sans inclement weather, and popular local bands drew decent crowds as well. That said, it seems extreme music has been on a downslide recently. I attribute it to shifting demographics in the U.S. coupled with a turn towards dub/hip hop/electronica.
im 20 now and i remember the time when i was a kid about 10 years old give or take 1-2 years or so and i watched MTV and then a TERROR song came on, and now im watching the Documentary of these guys AND i play in a band called Reflection Dies, so if ya have time plz check us out!
Just read up on the history of the two genres. Even early punk preached D.I.Y., tho it was only put into practice by hardcore kids some years later. Metal however came from the ear of the late sixties when the separation of indipendent label vs big labels was not common. This does not make Black Sabbat any worse. In the early 80s there was a strong feeling amongst young punks/hc kids that the metalheads are invading their scene. Hardcore just demands that you know your shit more than metal.
That's messed up. I remember in 2002-2005 you couldn't turn your head to sneeze without seeing a flyer for a hardcore show. Now, I don't see anyone into heavy music anymore. At least not as much as I used to a half decade ago.
I like Terror, but i ain't big on the whole "scene" thing. It all sounds way too elitist and i like bands doing more what they like. My favourite bands are Suicidal Tendencies and Anthrax, both with roots in Hardcore, but both just grew how they wanted to, spawning legend and many talented musicians along the way.
Any "scene" is end up kind of lame or is to begin with, in my opinion. I get the family aspect and friends etc. I look at punk and hardcore as siblings, always have.. People want to seperate too much. Good music is everywhere. Terror has some good stuff , I don't listen to as much hardcore as I did. Became burned out on it. Except for old classic Cro Mags, Discharge a few others . Suicidal Tendancies remain close to my heart. Lol
really interesting.. followed hardcore at the turn of the millenium and was really into the demo and seven inch which went on to become lowest of the low. thumbs up!
Go back listening to your fashion forward haircut makeup bands. Elitist? You all talk a lot about something you clearly do not understand. Pride does not equal elitism.
So true. I hate when some jackass "Hardcore" dude doesn't like Punk or Metal. Without metal and especially without Punk, modern Hardcore would be nonexistent.
Oh yea. Absolutely. I moved to California recently (Sacramento), and it is SO hard to find a venue with anything akin to hardcore. It seems like dub-step DJs and miscellaneous indy bands just DOMINATE most of the "underground" music scene. It's really lame. I went to a few decent shows in the Bay area but still, even there they were far and few between. I can't even catch Trash Talk out here and they're from this goddamn city. Although, Hoods (also from Sacramento) plays occasionally.
its funny how all these different labels of music are like comparing religions. Im a hardcore kid and your a stupid punk lets fight, im a christian and your a Muslim lets go to war. why dont you guys just enjoy what you like and quit bitching about who started what and why the othere persons taste in music sucks. we all listen to different styles of music for one reason or another but we all love the music because we have found something in it that keeps us there.
Hardcore is very elitist, whats true, what isn't blah blah blah, just the same as every other scene, but Hardcore is raw, in your face and to the point, but its the Im more hardcore than you, that drives me away
If your around people who feel the need to be "more hardcore than you," your not in the right crowd ,real hardcore isn't about being "hardcore", it's about being held accountable for your shit,standing up against the mainstream and having brotherhood with your fellow man,anyone who needs to be "Hardcore" needs to get the fuck out of my scene
The problem with heavy music is that there's always internal wars. Of course not everybody is gonna have the same preferences. Not everybody is gonna be down for old school pitting and/or throwing down, but at least have some respect. Let people be themselves without being a douche about it. Both scenes have just as many similarities as differences.
There's a death metal band that sings about slaughtering cows my god. There's also a bunch of death metal bands that talk about how they hate the slaughter of innocent animals you are just to blind.
"we are not a rock n' roll band". well, i don't agree with that, when it comes down to it, this is a type of rock n' roll. rock n' roll->garage rock->punk rock->hardcore. it kept mutating, became aggressive, then brutal, but its still rock n' roll. it's like humans are evolved animals, but are still animals.
my god..always the same cliché shit...If you need to work so hard to keep something alive maybe it deserves to die.. Hardcore ...Love the music hate the cliches
you are a real superstar arent you mr chicken ... it m akes sense beause you must have hatched because you can't be human ... Do you even like Terror ?
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I did my senior thesis for my anthropology B.A. on social boundary maintenance in the straight-edge community. A majority of my research was done at hardcore shows in Detroit. I've been going to them quite regularly since I've been a teenager- 2002 and on up to last year when I worked on the project. I've definitely noticed the "bubble" inflate (around 2004-2007) and deflate (2009-present). The fan presence at venues has dwindled tremendously in the past four years.
Hell yeah! I'm from Detroit and go to these shows
Mr Mugs in Ypsi? I was Chef Ernie on the Plus/Minus Hardcore Board and I sold vegan food at shows in Detroit and distributed righteous propaganda.
Went to my first show CIRCLE JERKS at the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor in 1985 or 86. Went to the Grounds Coffee House every weekend in the 90s to see EARTH CRISIS, SNAPCASE, and STRIFE, or CHOKEHOLD, or FALLING FORWARD, ENDPOINT, GUILT, ENKINDEL...Louisville played at least once a month. SPLIT LIP, DESPAIR...EARTHMOVER, WALLS OF JERICHO, PITTBULL, COLD AS LIFE, RICOCHET...
Reading this comment from 10 years ago.. everything has come full circle. Hardcore is starting to rise once again. ❤️
"Once I found hardcore,it was over" ain't that the fucking truth,I fucking love Hardcore. Im glad to see Scott overcame the drugs and focused on music,im the flip side of the coun,I focused on drugs,not the music,now im 40 years old living with the regret of knowing I could've done something and didn't. drugs and music don't mix kids,focus on the music drugs lead to nowhere but negative feelings and death,take it from someone whose been thru it
I got into heroin via John Brannon of LAUGHING HYENAS/NEGATIVE APPROACH in 1992, Detroit. I was with him and Larissa (R.I.P.) Hyenas guitarist, everyday. I was 22 and thought Brannon was the king of hardcore, and the LAUGHING HYENAS the greatest rock n punk band, and a natural evolution when you're a punk rocker over 35. I see him around and my heart brakes. He is the one that delivered the heroin that killed my best friend, Gump, in 1997. Gump had just got out of a year in jail and used for the first time, and boom...lights out. You know how fragile we are when we just get out of jail or rehab! Brannon cannot be held guilty for what Gump CHOSE to do. But it all breaks my heart. When I listen to "Tied Down" or "You Can't Pray a Lie" my anger points in one direction everytime.
DEFEND HARDCORE
Shout out to ALL the Keepers of The Faith still Raging in 2021!
I love watching people get butthurt over all the shit Scott says in his videos/ or on stage, he doesn't really care what other people think about him and I respect that. If you don't like the guy or the band for that matter why are you hear to begin with?
HEAR HEAR‼️
Fucking love hardcore, the music just feels heavier and the lyrics actually have meaning and thought put into them. Hardcore is so much more than just music. I love metal and pop punk and all that still, but hardcore for me is just more meaningful.
I love them. Really good and influence band.
Great documentary, didn't realize Chad from New Found Glory and Paul Miner from Death by Stereo recorded that record. Scott Vogel is still the best hardcore vocalist too
I'm a fan of new found glory and thought it was cool to see him listening to hardcore and be involved in hardcore.
I love hardcore!!! That's where I have always fit in since I was a young teenager in the late 90's early 00's. I am a mom now but hardcore lives on and I will always love hardcore. I have met so many interesting people and they never made me feel like an outcast.
words cannot explain the love i have had for terror.
BIG fuckin love from Malaysia.
WWHCNYHCMYHC!!!!!!! i fuckin am truly thankful for HC ! om shanti !!!
I still like Hardcore punk more than the purer hardcore. Bands like Sick of it All and H2O. Even Minor Threat.
LOL, what? Every band you mentioned is “purer hardcore,” whatever that means.
Yeah, you have it backwards. Those bands are more pure Hardcore. The other hardcore like Terror for example is way less "pure hardcore" because it borrows so heavily from Metal.
This was cool, brought back some memories...River Rock RIP.
My new "favorite band"..along with jinjer..almost 60 and I cant grow out of hardcore, it gives me a "wet tip"
I'm a thrasher but I love a good hardcore or cross over band. I'd rather go to a hardcore show with a bunch of good friends than go to a metal show with a bunch of wasted elitists. Both scenes need to be friends with each other again.
DMDx666 metal is awesome! Any real HC kid will tell you so!
It appears to me that at least every third band in this video is covering "Clobberin' Time". Gotta respect that :D
I'm 41 and I have been here for almost 28 yrs. I am not going anywhere anytime soon. Hardcorepunk is simply who I am. It is not complicated or intricate. It's simple & straightforward, like hardcore.
I'm 49 still here.
46 here....wont, cant stop
I grew up in Buffalo and watched slugfest many times now I'm in Fresno California
NYHC for life
@@skatepunx2489 Mos def, brother. My favorite band is The CLASH. Joe Strummer is my idol! I first heard them when I was 13, I'm 52 now. I met Strummer in 1999, thanks to Candace from WALLS OF JERICHO who worked security at St. Andrew's Hall in Detroit where the show was. She got me two free tickets and me and my best friend who discovered punk & hardcore with me in the 80s went. We hung out afterwards with Strummer and he signed my set list. Years of heroin addiction caused me to lose that, along with everything else. July 2023, I've been off heroin for years. No cocaine & no Xanax and no vodka. Worldwide hardcorepunk we can't slow down!!
@@skatepunx2489 I sold about 1000-1200 records to a shop in Ferndale over the course of a year in 2006. I was living in Detroit on Schoolcraft & Evergreen at a trap house. I'd grab some vinyl from my storage in Ann Arbor and sell it for $150 or so almost daily. I had a huge habit and didn't care. Original MISFITS vinyl from the early 80s, everything had to go to keep me from being dopesick.
The best band....TERROR!!!!!
Snapcase and Despair were both incredible bands from that area.
Very cool. I graduated from university in 2009 in Atlanta. I remember going to shows between 2005-2009, although they were mostly metal concerts. Popular bands always drew large crowds sans inclement weather, and popular local bands drew decent crowds as well. That said, it seems extreme music has been on a downslide recently. I attribute it to shifting demographics in the U.S. coupled with a turn towards dub/hip hop/electronica.
Not all the time. my old band played with them a while back and he gave me a freeshirt for letting his drummer use one of my stands
Hardcore is punk rock
hardcore is hardcore
Don't be a silly...
Exactly, it's a subgenre of punk rock.
Hardcore is not punk rock but hardcore does owe it's existence to punk. Without punk there would've been no hardcore
@@sinisabrozic6985 I know. Punk is way better.
I can't believe I never heard of this until 2020. Also, had no idea that the album title came from the best band ever (Warzone)
its great that someone can progress from an imperfect start instead of having a chip on there shoulder
Nice Doco guys!! big ups for sticking to what you do!!
anyone else notice wally from rotting out at chain reaction for the gang vocals!?
young ass Colin Young at 40:39 walking in hahah
Hardcore and refined...two words I NEVER thought I'd hear in the same sentence.
34:30. "I'm not a loser." descendents. punk rock. stop frontin terror. punk rock and hardcore and two peas in a pod.
thank you so much!!!!
im 20 now and i remember the time when i was a kid about 10 years old give or take 1-2 years or so and i watched MTV and then a TERROR song came on, and now im watching the Documentary of these guys AND i play in a band called Reflection Dies, so if ya have time plz check us out!
Which song was originally called “New Jersey?”
I've liked terror's music since their second release, but come on....if you call your band terror you can't drive around in a kia ROFLMAO!
Well, the first few lines in to the video, he says 'we're not cool'... guess he ain't lyin'. 🤣 seriously tho, great band.
Solid Band.
Happy New year to the Century Media family!!!
OK, I guess you're right, my opinions are probably wrong, I'd be very interested to hear about your favorite hardcore and "cross over" bands.
Can't wait to see Buried Alive Dec.2 in Cleveland Ohio 🤘🍻
I use to the River Rock Cafe during the Bflo Death Metal scene 88/89/90 give or take. I grew up in that place!!
Best band of the world
Denny Tyron you must be on crack
Awesome, keep the hardcore soul alive!
Just read up on the history of the two genres. Even early punk preached D.I.Y., tho it was only put into practice by hardcore kids some years later. Metal however came from the ear of the late sixties when the separation of indipendent label vs big labels was not common. This does not make Black Sabbat any worse. In the early 80s there was a strong feeling amongst young punks/hc kids that the metalheads are invading their scene. Hardcore just demands that you know your shit more than metal.
what is the name of the song on 3:10 ?
Fairly certain that's "Clobberin' Time" originally by Sick of It All. If it isn't, it sounds just like it.
stabyourcat yes clobberin time by soia -classic hardcore original
That's messed up. I remember in 2002-2005 you couldn't turn your head to sneeze without seeing a flyer for a hardcore show. Now, I don't see anyone into heavy music anymore. At least not as much as I used to a half decade ago.
Very true, it's kind of dead.
Nope alive and well
absolute great documentary - greatings from Germany from f-rage
Wow dude I remember all that shit river rock home of the hits. All the memories. Great video bro.
I like Terror, but i ain't big on the whole "scene" thing. It all sounds way too elitist and i like bands doing more what they like. My favourite bands are Suicidal Tendencies and Anthrax, both with roots in Hardcore, but both just grew how they wanted to, spawning legend and many talented musicians along the way.
Jamie Bryant too many people with mad tattoos
Any "scene" is end up kind of lame or is to begin with, in my opinion. I get the family aspect and friends etc. I look at punk and hardcore as siblings, always have.. People want to seperate too much. Good music is everywhere. Terror has some good stuff , I don't listen to as much hardcore as I did. Became burned out on it. Except for old classic Cro Mags, Discharge a few others . Suicidal Tendancies remain close to my heart. Lol
The “scene” is not elitist. You maybe should talk about something you know one goddamn thing about.
Love it!
Im a diehard metalhead but do have my hardcore moments from time to time
Hardcore is metal is hardcore punk is hardcore is metal. Energy
@@KT-Buf69 lol no that's not correct
really interesting.. followed hardcore at the turn of the millenium and was really into the demo and seven inch which went on to become lowest of the low. thumbs up!
the elitism in this comment section is unreal
+frisby81 it blows my mind how people think their shitty, negative opinions have to be heard.
its not elitism, just stupidity
Go back listening to your fashion forward haircut makeup bands. Elitist? You all talk a lot about something you clearly do not understand. Pride does not equal elitism.
Every time he said "Im not into that punk shit" i kept shouting "YOU'RE IN A HARDCORE BAND!!!"
Fuckin no respect for the genre.
There is a difference from hardcore punk and punk
@@xnathanhx412 Never trust a "hardcore" kid who doesn't like punk.
@@MindFiles I do like punk though
rock that air guitar and drums nick bro.
@34:25 Scott singing the Descendents
Terror Forever
never trust a hardcore kid that doesn’t listen to punk or come from punk roots
myname istavo hahaha
Real Hip Hop is the same as hardcore just different sounds and whatnot
I came from punk roots
So true. I hate when some jackass "Hardcore" dude doesn't like Punk or Metal. Without metal and especially without Punk, modern Hardcore would be nonexistent.
I think I saw these guys play Diecast back in the day
We are not a rock and roll band, we are not cool...but we wear rebel 8 t-shirts!
the terror singer loves coldplay! no joke
he listens to them everyday, he said it in a interview, go think before u talk shit like this
what is the song of the intro?
awesome band..
Nope
Good movie!
3:11 ...thats a sick of it all cover ...
Terror, closing venues everywher
"DONNYBROOK IS ALL I NEED!"
MAD BALL
Everything that is wrong with hardcore.
You’re bitch ass is everything that’s wrong with hardcore.
He didnt say it was bad. He was just sating what he gets out of it. We all know that YOU know about roots. No need to be a keyboard warrior
класс
when is the last time u guys came to Syracuse? ahhh Have not seen u sience like 04
me to have there vynal cd of there first album
Oh yea. Absolutely. I moved to California recently (Sacramento), and it is SO hard to find a venue with anything akin to hardcore. It seems like dub-step DJs and miscellaneous indy bands just DOMINATE most of the "underground" music scene. It's really lame. I went to a few decent shows in the Bay area but still, even there they were far and few between. I can't even catch Trash Talk out here and they're from this goddamn city. Although, Hoods (also from Sacramento) plays occasionally.
its funny how all these different labels of music are like comparing religions. Im a hardcore kid and your a stupid punk lets fight, im a christian and your a Muslim lets go to war. why dont you guys just enjoy what you like and quit bitching about who started what and why the othere persons taste in music sucks. we all listen to different styles of music for one reason or another but we all love the music because we have found something in it that keeps us there.
a double knob means brake for air keep that shit west coast or are u confused??
Would you all say that the hardcore scene in the U.S. has grown or shrunk in the past decade?
cabalofdemons it is shrinking because the people don’t support the bands anymore. I do and I will never stop.
Just look up sound and fury fest 2022. That’ll answer that question.
40:55 Wally from Rotting Out
Hardcore is very elitist, whats true, what isn't blah blah blah, just the same as every other scene, but Hardcore is raw, in your face and to the point, but its the Im more hardcore than you, that drives me away
If your around people who feel the need to be "more hardcore than you," your not in the right crowd ,real hardcore isn't about being "hardcore", it's about being held accountable for your shit,standing up against the mainstream and having brotherhood with your fellow man,anyone who needs to be "Hardcore" needs to get the fuck out of my scene
The metal scene has become the "im more cult cause i said bezaldath should play every fest" on a facebook page
wasnt it scotts favourite band?
Scoot vogel is the best man for his life,,,keepers the faith broo
@jjl2099 not really. you've got good intentions at first and they start bashing you for no reason, well thats how my opinion was formed.
The problem with heavy music is that there's always internal wars. Of course not everybody is gonna have the same preferences. Not everybody is gonna be down for old school pitting and/or throwing down, but at least have some respect. Let people be themselves without being a douche about it. Both scenes have just as many similarities as differences.
Saw a show where the drummer of xCLEARx shoved his arm thru a window and spurt blood onto the dancefloor. We didnt stop dancing.
personally i cant stand anything after Legacy of Blood by JMT
he's had the same hair since the beginning of time
Chain Reaction yessssssssss too many memories in that place aha and hopefully many more
Without Scott I wouldn't be a 44 year old hardcore kid today.
Sick.
shieeet glad I live in Australia, the scene is still dominated by all the usual stuff but there's plenty of hardcore/metal floating around still
Plus Minus shirt at 27:47.
There's a death metal band that sings about slaughtering cows my god. There's also a bunch of death metal bands that talk about how they hate the slaughter of innocent animals you are just to blind.
because thousands of people like them.
"we are not a rock n' roll band". well, i don't agree with that, when it comes down to it, this is a type of rock n' roll. rock n' roll->garage rock->punk rock->hardcore. it kept mutating, became aggressive, then brutal, but its still rock n' roll. it's like humans are evolved animals, but are still animals.
No.
my god..always the same cliché shit...If you need to work so hard to keep something alive maybe it deserves to die..
Hardcore ...Love the music hate the cliches
Nothing worth anything comes easy.
someone know the same version in french subtile please ?
your talking about a small subgenre of metal and are typecasting
*Sabbath
But Terror is badass too.
you are a real superstar arent you mr chicken ... it m akes sense beause you must have hatched because you can't be human ... Do you even like Terror ?
wrap it up b
This is hardcore its about lyrics and breakdowns and how fuck t up the word is.
Breakdowns thats stupid shit
D WOOD IS THE FUCKIN MAN. ONE OF THE REALEST DUDES IVE EVER KNOWN
shout out to epicentre!
seen 'em in Graz, Austria in summer '19. Fuckin-A!!!
Najbolji hardcore band zajedno sa death before dishonor
the guy from down to nothings look like a young phil anselmo....btw great doc.