How do to counter steering by California superbike school.
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- Keith code California super bike clinic. superbikeschool... This is the drills we did to improve steering. I been riding for 15 years and thought I was doing counter steering right. I didn't realize the power of being coached in motorcycles until this clinic. In this clinic the miss understood was handled and now I totally understand how to properly counter steer can I do it every time is another thing.
But at least I was able to get it clear up and start my journey to being a better rider.
Goes to show 15 years of riding doesn't mean it was 15 years of doing it
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awesome and inspiring video that shows how much you can accomplish in 1 year of practice! this comments are very pathetic, very sad to see people insulting someone that is trying to improve at riding. i guess they were all born with rossi skills :)
Thank you ! I learned it's apart of posting videos once the mob starts to attack it sets a trend for others to follow. At this point I smile and response with a nice comment.
I do appreciate when a person takes the time to write something nice.
@@RhinoDan usually when i see people who corners as good as you in your racing videos im thinking that its impossible to learn, but when you show where you started and how much you acomplished in 1 year its so motivational. thats why videos like this are so great. keep up the good work, greetings from Croatia :) btw how is your recovery going, when are you going to be back on two wheels?
@@t0malito404 Recovery is going well it's long process about a year of once a week of adjustments plus rehab. As for two wheels goes it's going to be awhile before my hips allow me to ride :( . Until then I get to relax and dream about riding.
My goal of the channel was to show how a avg person can can achieve a high level of riding. It's not limited to the those of talent or physically gifted.
Much love and thank you for the support.
You can email me any questions about riding. Right now I have a ton of knowledge with a hurt back lol so ask away.
Man, this guy posts a video of him LEARNING and showing his mistakes, and the negative comments received...
Great job RhinoDan, and the California Superbike School for their patience.
Thank you for the kind words. When I uploaded this video of me struggling to Learn counter steering getting the negative comments was completely unexpected.
Just a honest video of a avg street rider trying to improve.
Rhino Dan well done my friend
Sometimes veteran drivers struggle to understand countersteering, because most of the time it is just intuitive, muscle memory, this guy made the effort to understand and apply it consciously and he did, that's great, nothing to criticize.
Thank you. This drill improved my riding so much.
I have been riding for 40 years and didn't know this. Been out today and it was so natural and the turns into the corners were so much quicker and smoother.
Believe it or not this is a common occurrence with older riders because there wasn't the training or a TH-cam to learn from. So rider's had to teach themselves and survival was the reward and refinement of skills was secondary to survival.
Thanks for letting me know that this hoped and yes pushing for counter steering is very efficient and smooth.
I had to practice this technique for months to make it second nature.
Lots of parking lots drills .
The hardest thing to do is to accept one's mistake and make amends to correct it. Rhino Dan was courageous enough to share his mistakes with all of us so it benefits others in a similar situation. If one cannot appreciate this man's courage, it is shameful as a fellow citizen to criticize him. Hats off to you, Rhino Dan. I hope this training helped you become a safer rider.
The training change my life.
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Give this guy a break. It takes balls to put up a video like this and I think it reflects on how life is in some situations. It's important to see this. He probably feels he's doing it wrong and get stressed and can't take in the new information. Pushing with his right hand he will go to the right but in his mind the bike should go left so he tries to compensate and everything feels wrong. It can happen to all of us, in school, in any sport when you're new and everyone is watching, at work or when you try to take your driving licence. Most of us probably think we're riding like a champ and won't need any lessons. If you haven't been on a track yet you have a lot more to learn.
Best of all, he did something about it and went to a school.
The problem I had was years of pulling to counter steer. If you ride a two wheels a bicycle or a motorcycle counter steering is used consciously or unconsciously but either way countersteering is used. I didn't understand what counter steering was at this time in the video. My concept of counter steering was similar to a car while in fact it different. Cars spin out motorcycles high side. Needless to say this day change my life and allow me to become a motorcycle champion 2 years later. Unfortunately this video most people first contact with my channel and they don't watch my races or my track riding passing 600 and 1000 on a R3.
Thanks for writing in appreciate the positive feedback.
@@RhinoDan great stuff. good honesty and we are all improvers.
@@pmacc3557 Thank you! This was the best wake up call that ever happened to me on two wheels.
I can see how this might confuse new people. Especially in a parking lot. At low speeds, the bike will turn in the direction you steer, and at higher speeds, the bike will lean and therefore turn in the opposite direction. (Counter steering). But in a parking lot, you're getting a bit of both depending on your speed. Glad schools are teaching this stuff cuz it can save your live once you understand how it works.
Been to California Superbike 3 times and this is the best explanation/support for the counter steering exercise I ve heard. Thanks Cobie.
The easiest way to understand the difference is to ride a 4 wheeler or a jetski and then immediately go ride a motorcycle. Also the best way to feel counter steering on a bike is a long sweeping curve at higher speed where you have to maintain a lean angle. You will notice you have to maintain counter steer pressure to maintain the lean because the bike is always trying to right itself due to fork rake angle/castor angle.
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Countersteering is a very interesting feeling, but one doesn’t really need a lot of speed. I’ve even gotten my bike to do it at around 25kmh. Just practice slow in open places like this parking lot and slowly increased your speed. It’s an amazing feeling turning so smoothly when you get it right.
Each run was better and that's what learning is about. We all get frustrated but being there and taking the course is all that matters. So long as we are learning life is good!
I read nearly all the comments, you replied back to them so perfectly. I think it’s great you’re sharing this and no one has any place to be rude about it. Well done 👍🏻 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
cotes42 Thank you! This off track drill is hard for almost all rider's I have seen done this drill. Me included lol, I do believe that this a good video to show wrong and me making the Corrections.
As for replying to others I do my best to answer even when being trolled.
Criticising a guy who has put his less than perfect performance on TH-cam is a shit trick, pardon my language.
Most people would just decide not to help others to avoid the same issues by refraining from posting the video.
Allowing others to see what we don't do perfectly first time is as helpful as a pro showing us how it's done.
Well done to the uploader for being helpful over being proud.
I make no comment about his riding, as I have nothing more than normal road riding training and some years of road riding experience.
Thank you, This video regularly gets me made fun of. It was the day that I realized my riding was horrible. I spent the year Working hard on being better. Now I am racing my R3 and still working even harder at being better.
Here's A video of me after a year worth of practice doing counter steering.
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There’s so much we don’t know.
If you have never been exposed to a certain level of expertise then we’re oblivious to how hard it acutely is to be that good.
It’s like anything else I suppose.
Thank you for taking the time and uploading .
That day changed my life. I work so hard to learn counter steering then years later I became a NorCal motorcycle champion.
I could sense you were fighting the idea of pushing right to right, or vice versa. I've been where you were, and it takes so much practice to be comfortable with counter steering, but when you do, that's all you will do. Good luck man, it takes a man to show a video where you're learning. I still have problems today helping my friends to learn that most of the stopping is on the front brake, but that takes confidence also.
D. Paul Riderman This video was hard to upload really kicked my ego in the nuts lol. I really needed this coaching to help out my miss understood of counter steering. I been practicing every time I ride now. I am going to master counter steering!
But you are going to get better much faster now. You went to the school, that is the hardest part for most, admitting they arent the best and have something to learn.
Mike McKay 100 Percent agree. I have so much more to learn on and to think with. I am eager to become a better rider and so I am on my way.
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"Counter-steering" always works. Doing good buddy. The pull he's talking about is like power steering. Once you've mastered this, it's really helpful on track making right turns. It relieves pressure on the Right bar so the rider can better manipulate the throttle. Don't let me confuse you. "Counter-steering always works"
Thor Velasco Thanks for the encouragement. I am on my way to being a better rider. I can't wait for more coaching it's so important to be coach.
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This was a great video to put up for new riders. I've been riding so long I constantly forget how absolutely terrifying it must be to learn to ride a motorcycle as an adult. I started on dirt bikes when I was 10 then sport bikes at 20. On the dirt you crash a lot and slide out and when you're young you have no fear so you don't care. I was also an adrenaline junkie, kind of still am. Makes it easier to progress to street bikes. I never had any fear whatsoever. I've never even dropped a bike let alone crash. I'm 54 now still riding sport bikes probably more agressively than I should but I love the sport. Not everyone takes to it as easily. And that fear and anxiety can really psych you out. It's hard to get that out of your head once it's in there. The thing with counter steering is that if you ever rode a bicycle you've already done it tons of times. Being in the street is scary but just let that muscle memory take over and don't over think it. You were naturally doing u turns fine so you know how to ride. This instructor was perfect. Patient and helpful. Taking courses and constantly trying to improve and posting your progress should be applauded. Believe it or not you will become a great rider. Just don't give up. And for anyone starting out just ride your ride at your own pace. Don't worry about what some fools on social media say or what you friends are doing. The number one goal on the street to to be safe. Nothing else.You ask as many questions, take as many courses and practice as much as possible to get there. Best of luck to you.
Thank you.
The greatest comment ever
Couldn't be said any better❤
I appreciate your channel and your honesty for putting this video up. When I was learning something would fluster me and all the information would just fly out my head. Dont pay attention to the haters on the channel keep up the good work.
Thank you! I will keep being me and working hard on getting better.
Amén... Describes me exactly. Not only that, the other two guys who trained beside me too...
@@RhinoDan 4 years down the line, I'm now you. Learning. Thanks for uploading this video.
@@adonai7187 this video is a very candid video of my ego vs my skill, knowledge about motorcycle riding.
I had no idea the amount of hate and why am I not dead yet comments lol.
In a nut shell that's riding as riders we do some things well and some areas of riding are not well. it's why I love riding always learning with what seems like near infinite growth.
Good luck on your personal journey to motorcycle enlightenment.
I'm thinking about getting a bike so watching this and seeing mistakes and getting a better understanding is very helpful
Motorcycle riding is awesome adventure. I hope you do start riding.
The key is to practice in a empty parking lot's.
Make mistakes where it's safe to do so.
I ve been ''there'' at 28,............ wish i 've been there earlier.These techniques help so much. Drive safe Rhino Dan.
This was life changing for me and wish learned them sooner myself.
Same I'm 28 and just started learning. I now wish I started earlier
Appreciate your humility. I'm going for the MSF this week and your video echoes my own concerns. I only hope these cruel commentators don't have children to crush their spirits.
Thank you and welcome to the two wheels life. It's the internet people are all experts and believe they can do better. My only advice is have fun and be ready to be challenge to learn new skills sets.
Thanks for watching.
Simple way to remember… “PUSH LEFT, GO LEFT”… “PUSH RIGHT, GO RIGHT”!! 👍
I'm an old guy that learned how to countersteer back in 1968 (Honda 450, my current bike is a 2001 Hayabusa). I've demonstrated countersteering to others by pushing on the inside bar with only the front of my fist, but otherwise when I countersteer, I pull on the outside bar as much as I push on the inside bar. I don't think about steering, just leaning by countersteering, and knowing that adjusting lean angle and|or speed adjusts cornering radius. Sort of like flying a plane where bank angle controls the turn, except you countersteer to lean on a bike
Just like riding, taking instruction well takes practice. I'm a new rider so I'm fortunate enough to have zero ego during the learning process in regards to bikes. However, as I progress I will have to continue to work hard at remaining a student.
When you said "I can ride, it's just..." that was your ego trying to tell that guy that you knew what you were doing WHILE he was teaching you something you didn't know.
Kudos for going to the class. Just keep your head right and remember, you are there to learn, not to show the instructors how good you are. As a firearms instructor I tell guys all the time, if you want to pay me hundreds of dollars to show me what you know, I'll watch. Everyone else in the class will be improving while you try and impress me though.
Always a student brother, stick with the knowledge searching 👍🏻
Here's a video th-cam.com/video/LtkT4tLF4tc/w-d-xo.html showing my progress.
Very cool that you're a firearm instructor sometimes people want to be validated I can understand trying to show a instructor good skills. As for ego that has been something I been working on killing it for 20 years unfortunately for me it's
Immortal. My cross to bare. I agree about being a student much to learn.
What kind forearms do you teach? Are you competition shooter?
Welcome to the two wheel life and enjoy the adventure.
I don’t think the rider is actually understanding what the guy is teaching him. I didn’t notice a single instance of the rider actually using counter steering. I think many people understand it better using diagrams on a white board. A little slower speed and shorter, firmer pushes on the bar while going straight along a straight line on the pavement is a better way to understand and experience it.
What you watch was a real video of a rider doing it wrong for a lifetime and having the weight of realizing that me as the rider didn't know counter steering.
A white board like that guy in Texas wouldn't had the impact on me. No white board would have humbled me like I was that day.
Thanks for watching.
Yet another great video bro! I've been questioning the physics aspect of counter steer lately. After watching this i see I've been waaaayyyyyy over thinking it and now know exactly what's expected. Ty
Jason p Thank Cobie from California super bike school he is a great teacher who taken the time out to help me learn how to steer a motorcycle with more precision.
Rhino Dan can't wait to see you step up a bike and do some real riding.....not talking about like those who run head on into Porsches'. (too soon?)
Guy sounds just like me on my training day... Had just dropped the bike, confidence at a low, felt dumb, confidence dropped... Had to go and calm down.
Yeah it was a awesome day of getting a reality check on how to counter steer. This day was 100 percent life changing for me. Being trolled was just part of the learning process lol.
It was what I needed to become the rider that I am today.
@@RhinoDan My instructor told me I was as awkward as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. I can see the comical side but it might have been better he told me afterwards when I'd completed the course... Negative comments don't do much to build confidence. I'd be first to admit that dexterity isn't my strong point. I'm 62 and new to biking.. Old dog and new tricks...
@@gatehanger1385 That's the thing about coaching people respond to different means of motivation or feedback and in your case him talking trash.
Welcome to the two wheel life! I would recommend working balance drills at home it will help with riding. So standing on one foot with eyes closed. It's harder than you think try to reach min on each foot. It will help you when your in a corner and the bike is lean over having a sense of balance is huge for motorcycle riding.
Dexterity will come especially in the hands in the feet as you work the controls the motorcycle one of the things you can do for dexterity is have the bike on its stand and just practice shifting and using the clutch and going up and down the gears with the bike off that'll help you really coordinate you when you are riding it's one less thing you have to think about.
Enjoy the adventure of the two wheel life.
@@RhinoDan Thank you for your words of encouragement. We're all a brotherhood with a passion for bikes. Any even the world race champions are learning all the time.
I've come in from some basic practice of low speed u turns and mirror signal lifesaver routines here on my own private road and yard space... I'll try your eyes closed suggestion😊
Great Video! Too many know it alls, Stay humble and always learn
Roger Vallve Thank you and I will continue on my path to be the best rider that I can be.
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Here's a update video on my progress.
I really appreciate the kind words and support.
First off thanks for posting this!
The exasperation in you're voice was crystal clear mental fatigue no doubt . I've seen this countless times as a CNC trainer . learning something new is hard! relearning something the right way is much harder.
I thought the trainer did a wonderful job of working with you in a
fatigued state . Only thing I would have done was have you take a
short brake hand you a bottle of water tell you to come back with it empty.
Unfortunately I don't think the water would have helped . The day changed from a Sunday to a Saturday . I was working until 3 am just at 8 am I get a phone call telling the day changed because of rain . It was a 70 mile drive from my house on the spur of moment . Thru San Francisco Bay area traffic so through Berkeley through Oakland into redwood City so by the time I got there I was already mentally drained . Then I almost fell of a training bike the coach catch me . So my day started rough and didn't get better lol . But it did changed my life and my riding greatly improved .
To be honest I don't how I made it there and back safely .
Thanks for watching a honest video of a guy who thought he knew counter steering . I do appreciate the positive comment too .
Good job teaching people that need to learn. Your saving lives...
Thank you and I agree learning counter steering is vital to being a good motorcycle rider.
Very patient coach. It's Tough pushing new skills into where old habits live. With THAT machine he MUST learn to counter steer.
Seems like a really good teacher
caramelzappa He is for sure ! Lots of patience for me .
"Slow down a bit"
"Oh slow down"
"Yeah just a bit"
"A bit ok"
(Proceeds to go just as fast as before)
luket1017 Thanks for watching
Rhino Dan lol I'm doing the course rn so boring
faster even
Allen Brodess yep
You have a difficult personality. I salute that instructor for their patience
Yes Colby is a great teacher
Thanks leaving a comment and watching me make a ass out myself lol.
It did change my motorcycle life for sure . Being trolled was only the icing on the cake lol. Have a nice day hopefully 2021 is better than 2020
Rhino Dan absolutely. And I definitely need to get my ass to their course
I loved the video. And thanks for showing how it is :D
Not everything will be going smooth some things are hard to wrap your head around. All in all it s a pretty humbling expirience... But i am glad i did the 3 official courses right now at the start of my career. I m still kinda figuring out if it is possible to just steer the way you go an clear the rest with leaning. I am 185. 100kg and topheahy. I only drive a kawa.er6n wich is super small for me.. I am preety ahure i can steer it with just leaning and no countersteering.. Maybe i make somw videos about it to check facts
Thank you and let me know how it works out with the new streering
Very patient instructor
Indeed but I would supect that Coby has run into this quite often . It's probably another day in the office . How do you think a person is going to act finding out that they doing it wrong for many years ?
While thinking they was doing it right ? It was a real eye opener and kick to my ego balls which turned out to be healthy.
This was a day that change my riding .
Thanks for watching.
@@RhinoDan Thank you for your posts!
looking at the schedule...this guy is from either Alabama or Kentucky....Answers EVERYONE'S concerns
Lol nice ! You the type that makes fun of a fat working out at the gym trying to change his life.
The facts that are over looked I didn't crashed during the drill or during the u turn which I have seen happen on this drill at California super bike school.
I improved which is the most important fact that I was working on being a better rider.
Thanks for your comment. Have a wonderful holidays and hope you can encourage others to be better and not bring them down for trying.
I think my problem is thinking about it. I was counter steering without realizing it but when I tried to purposely do it is when I had problems also. But all we can do is take the time to learn as you're doing
Every rider counter steers we have too make corners . I work really hard on making counter steering on command .
Many hours at a parking lot.
@@RhinoDan so that video is 3+ years old, I'm guessing you've came a long way since then? I wish I started earlier I'm 28 and just started learning
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Here a video with me on a 300 on a track day riding against 600 1000 I did come long way.
It's never too late to learn in this video I was 40 years old still trying to improve.
Great video! From a beginners view its much more learning seeing another "noob" getting help from a pro than these videos of average riders and their gopro.
Good learning, but not having this as mandatory and fundamental training as part of getting the license in the first place in the United States, is more than I can comprehend. How does anyone dare to go out on the highway on a powerful motorcycle without understanding how steering works?
Totally understand and agree the the level of training in the USA is horrendous .
It's simple push left go left, push right go right. Lol it took me a bit to wrap it around
Daniella Canjura Counter steering isn't the easiest concept to accept.
And its even harder for people to explain why it does work.
Once you figure out how to do counter steering on command riding becomes so much fun and safer .
Except it's the opposite.
it's impossible to direct the bike any differently once at a certain speed. So whether you know it or not you are counter steering. Try actually turning the bars in the direction you want to go, when at speed, and you'll see it fights you and wobbles and destabilizes the bike.
Rhino Dan I totally agree.. I’m a new rider on day one and am experiencing the same things u went thru and explained.
It’s just against logic 😂that’s why it’s kinda hard to grasp but I’m sure with time, practice and free experimentation it becomes natural.
Hope it won’t take much time for me cuz my turns are really slow and wide and sometimes almost not the way I wanted it to be 😅
@@msb3782 The way I see it is that the explanations are the problem. I heard countless people trying to explain the push left, go left, push right, go right, but nobody explains the mechanics of this. Super easy, actually (once I figured it out). When you push on the left handle bar, it will aim your front tire to the right which in turn tips the bike to the left, then you instinctively follow through with continuing to steer towards the left. The first two steps are in such tiny amounts that you don't even realize you are doing it, but your bike will!! This is probably your biggest problem. Then for you, I would also think you probably need to lean a little bit more. Maybe use a little bit more throttle also?
Checked your update video, you've come a long way, my man! It takes balls to expose yourself to some TH-cam roadrash (lol), but you did, and you came through a better rider. And that's all that counts. ;-)
Thank you! Some days I am not sure if making this video was good for me lol.
Being trolled for making a honest video and having people attack me over it been another experience all together.
I worked hard at improving my riding and staying humble in my quest to be an master rider.
I am racing just finished my first season wow what a awesome experience. I am looking forward to next season.
I do appreciate your nice words !
Rhino Dan keep on doing what ur doing man n ignore the ignorants.
Personally, I can relate cuz I see myself there so I rli can say this vid is better than watching pros tbh for a new rider I mean.
So thanks for sharing !! xD
I love how the teacher behaves I have to save money to got to that training one day. I love california SBK but is hard to get training on my country :-(
Miguel Campos Cobie is a awesome coach and I was very lucky to have him coach me and be patient with me.
You made me understand co7nter steering on a still bike.. kudos.. you must get an oscar
Dude on the bike has a serious attitude
Thanks for watching me having a wake up call.
I am commenting 3 year late but this is a great video! Thanks for the upload. Good thing is your learning. I will be getting my License soon. Can't wait to learn. I might aswell practice on a bike before I get my motorbike licence.
lol I learned counter steering from my dad it's just like riding a bike. really it is its that easy
Hey man, thanks for uploading this. I was thinking about doing the 2 day course at Laguna Seca but it's expensive af. $2650 total. Is that what you're doing here? Worth it? What other classes might you recommend? Thanks!
David Shaw Hi David this was a 20 dollar clinic put on by doc Wrong.
It was huge for me. I would recommend Keith Code school day at springs of willow next year it's way cheaper and everyone starts at level one anyways regardless of skill level.
So I was planning on doing level one and two at the cheaper days and going to do the more expensive days later in my levels.
That's just me.
I am going to do a California superbike school day next year for sure at the streets of willow.
Thanks for watching as for other schools I am not sure. I am going to try a different school in November. I will record some it and give my thoughts about it.
All I can say is this clinic change my life and it was only just the length of this video.
Hope that helps thanks for watching and ride safe.
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Salute to the instructor for the patience! :/
Just remember this every time you turn at speeds beyond like 15mph. When you are going to turn left sit as close to the bike as possible, put pressure on the right foot peg, right knee to the gas tank, push left handle bar, and move your head diagonally forward left up to 90 degrees on the left elbow. For the right side just do the opposite everything for the left side. The idea is to keep the bike as upright as possible and lean no more than necessary. Even if it isn't required for you to "hang" on it's a good idea to make a habit because it may feel faster to lean by doing it the wrong way but at high high speeds doing it right is where it show the rewards of doing it right. Keep the eyes up too and you will see how much easier it is to ride at very high speeds than it was before consistently.
Anthony Abelardo very good riding habits for sure.
100%. I can actually lean in control at full throttle going over 100mph. Before I lean but I was holding inside peg. Outside peg makes it where the bike goes up on a wheelie but comes down firm and stable still under full power and high RPM. I feel the contact patch is fatter. Inside peg is totally wrong. All schools and the manual should teach it this way as I said on the original post here.
Anthony Abelardo That's very impressive on the speed.
+Rhino Dan, It's an R6 so it gets there quick.
So counter steering is just steering? Why do they have to confuse new riders or people looking into it by calling it something fancy and telling you that you are doing it wrong????? Is it supposed to make you sound more Elite by calling it counter steering or something?
It's counter steering pushing right on the bar to go right. The wheel is going left your riding on the inside edge of the right tire. In a car streering right the wheel moves right. In a bike it's opposite that's why it's called counter steering.
You on only steer the bike like a car at slow speeds when the bike is completely stopped. For a u turn or a turn once the bike is at speed counter steering becomes the primary steering.
It's why riding a motorcycle or a bike is so difficult to learn in the beginning versus riding a three wheeler or a bike with training wheels.
Hopes this helps if your still confused try with a bicycle first it's easier that way.
That Kawasaki Ninja 300 or 250 are great beginner bikes, but i started in a KAWASAKI BN125 a very cute little bike
They are and very cheap to insure and ride!
I understand why some or many people are putting negative comments. Yes he is brave to put up the video. The question is what was his primary reason? For his own or public's critique or something for newbies. You can hear it in his voice how whiny he sounds and makes excuses for the reason why he made mistakes. This speaks volumes in his general life (makes excuses for everything). Also later in the video you can hear him say, "I know how to ride...". Anybody under an hr if that can operate a motorcycle let alone a car...but that doesn't mean you know how to operate (ride, drive) well. See how many shitty drivers on public roads? They have a license but they still drive like shit. The course you are taking enhances your ability to operate your vehicle better than how well you "think" you ride. You took the course for a reason.
Appreciate the analysis you unfortunately missed the main root cause that is I was in confusion about counter steering and it rocked my world about my skills as a rider. It's a normal human response when a idea or concepts that are roots of the activitie found that's not correct or wrong confusion happens.
That's the simple truth no excuses.
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I'm sorry you are getting a bit of a hard time in the comments......imo I don't think your head was in the right mental place to be trying to take these instructions and you would of benefited from an hour break and a cup of coffee.
trap door Thank you and yes this video isn't the best for me on comments lol. I agree a break would have done me some good unfortunately it was getting to the end of the day. The event was changed from Sunday to Saturday due a massive rain storm on Sunday so I told last minute of the change I live hour and half away from the event. It started rough was a continuing thru out the day.
I did learn something and I became a better rider from this day! So in the end it was worth it.
Thanks you for watching and your support.
trap door he would benefit.from a kick in the balls
Tony Ofarrell Wow
trap door your totally correct a golden rule of thumb is don’t ride when your frustrated and nature shows that we cannot retain anything when we’re frustrated
I should have said that, too.
Getting flustered is normal for most of us.
I do it sometimes, although in different circumstances.
Learning not to get flustered / annoyed / beyond the point where you can regain calm can be as tricky as acquiring regular skills.
When I learned to ride, I was praised immediately for my balance of the bike and I had never ridden a motorbike before.
However, when I started to practice the slalom, and was told strictly not to brake and/or accelerate at certain points, it was much less intuitive a skill acquisition than balance.
It's no big deal. I can learn a language with relative ease, but cannot do maths in my head.
This is no different.
Nice video! I'm just getting into motorcycles so this is very helpful. However, this is kind of a dumb question considering that I already watched the video but what is counter steering? I still don't really understand...
Chris V HI Chris and thanks for asking the question. counter steering is when you turn the bars the opposite direction of the turn.
So push right to turn right. If you have a bicycle you can practice counter steering. All two vehicles counter steer in some degree.
So ride your bicycle in a parking lot and push right and see where the bike goes. If you can master counter steering riding a motorcycle will get easier on the steering aspect.
I have other videos for a new rider and I am going to make a basic videos for new riders to help them on learning how to ride.
i normaly dont use counter streering because it takes "to much energy" riding a bike is normal body movement that u dont even feel....however, in an emergency its a nice thing to remember cause it can turn the bike in a flash
if you don't practice it you won't instinctually do it when you need it, that's how I see it. Also I can literally counter steer with my pinky finger if I wanted tbh, it takes maybe 100grams of force to make your bike turn in sharply.
im afraid, the idea of pushing right to go left scares me. or vice versa. Im learning tho, in a big empty parking lot around poles, i have my dad with me who has been riding for 40 some yrs. idk but it really freaks me out, im afraid ill go into on coming traffic and die. good thing im practicing in a big parking lot.
Ghost_Control After I learn how to do counter steering . I been practicing in a big parking lot at least once a week.
Keep practicing and enjoy the journey.
You're learning, I support you, don't let those douchebags in the comment section below give negativity to your life, keep on going and you'll master riding!
Thanks appreciate it.
This opportunity to learn from California super bike school was huge for and help me achieve this
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Great work. And great job having the incentive to take the course. But, and take this from someone who had to learn this the slow, hard way...try to be less defensive about everything.
It's a work in progress.
Very cool bike run!!! Zoom zoom!!!
good job buddy. never enough training man... train ride repeat
Never enough training .
Ive heard a lot about counter steering and dont have much time in the saddle but isnt counter steering at its core just leaning the bike and applying pressure to the bars so they dont jerk to one side or the other.
James Scott Hi counter steering is pushing right to turn right and pushing left to turn left at faster than 5 mph. Go to a empty parking lot push on the right bar and see what happens. If you go left then you pulled instead of push. Try it and see what happens for yourself. Don't push very hard.
That is counter steering if you can learn this then your riding will improve.
No, it's not just leaning. If you want proof, lean left while you push the handle bar forward with your right hand. You're driving the bike by the way you push forward on the handle bar.
What riders with experience don't realize is that yhey are doing this anyway or they couldn't steer the bike. What many do is push with one hand and pull back with the other hand.
Thus if you want to turn right you will find yourself lightly pushing forward with the right hand and yet pulling lightly toward yourself with the left hand.
But, you can do better with use of the push right to go right or push left to go left counter steering technique. Make yourself use it. .
Technically YOU don't countersteer, the bike countersteers. If you're traveling a straight line and you want to turn right for example, you literally try to turn the handlebars to the right, the bike jerks to the left and turns left. ("Turns the opposite direction") this happens at roughly 12 miles per hour or faster. But I'm thinking many instinctively learn it as they go. It just happens to confuse most when they actually try to learn about it by the book, instructor or class when they already do it on the road.
That was very helpful
Nice
That thing that's a bit confusing is that hes says push forward,it looks to me like it's more of a push down at an angle on the side you want the bike to go. Is this correct?
0skar27 No pushing down isn't correct. Pushing forward is correct. This is me trying to learn to do it correctly after years of doing it wrong. One day isn't going to fix year's of bad habits. I uploaded this video to show coaching and me working on trying to get it right.
When you Push the bar this induces the lean so the bar will go down on the side your pushing and up on the other side.
It doesn’t work in the reverse order.👍👍
Hey Rhino Dan, how'd you like CSS overall? I thought they teach you on a track, was this a special class in a parking lot or something? Thanks.
Hello, yes this was a special class in a college parking lot it was for doc Wong . I have been to CSS in thunder hill and they run a top notch school . they even had suspension tuners which at the time I didn't need one because I was racing my R3 it was already tuned by one of the best . My R3 had a lot of work done to it and so much love put into that race bike. Very awesome to be able to go from this video which I had trouble doing counter steering on command to be able to do it on a race track at fast speeds. After this video I went to a parking lot and did work for years until I stopped street riding . I would practice braking, counter steering and throttle in parking lots.
I work hard to improve my level of riding then I become a motorcycle champion in northern California in the 300 class .
It all started from this moment.
@@RhinoDan That's awesome man! Great for you! I've been riding for about four years (street riding, not even canyons) and have finally decided to step my game up and get track training. I'm thinking of doing the one day CSS class for now until I have more money for the two day class.
@@zakandoz9614 Riding will be more fun and you will be in more control of the bike .
Practice is the key putting in the work . being coached is super important too.
I know the CSS will change your life .
you know Dan I get nervous around people that I hold in high regard to
Very true, It was the first time I met Keith Code. It was a exciting day for me.
my bikes not old and sluggish I just didn't know how to ride it thanks for sharing man
and if you push and pull you changed your body shape which changes your wind resistance which makes you more unstable
I used to push more down on my handlebars now I pushed just forward
The speedometer is the round gauge just left of center. You might want to learn how to read it.
John Benefield Thanks ! I will remember that for this Sunday motorcycle race.
That's the fucking tachometer you literal spastic.
I’m going to get Re-edumicated 💤. I just haven’t decided on which course. I’ll video mine so THEN it’s my turn in the barrel.
I was actually trying this counter-steering yesterday on my 2017-FZ09. So you’ll get your turn. Did you use their bikes or yours?
Hi Steve, I used my race bike this video was taken in 2017 since this video I been working very hard and lost 80 pounds started racing my R3.
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This is a awesome drill and you will get lots of results. Either way your bike or theirs is a good. I used my because it's been race built.
This guy is killing me. He gets so flustered from a training bike that he can't follow very simple instructions?? Park that shit before you get someone killed.
R May well I appreciate your your assessment of my abilities and my skills as a rider. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
R May P.S haven't killed anyone yet or cause accidents and still riding making videos your are welcome to watch some and bring your judgemental opinions to my other videos lol I am looking forward to hearing what else you can say about my riding.
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What's amazing is that Dan has been riding for years, big bikes etc, and chooses now to build his skill on the R3 and is having amazing fun doing it.
Keep ya head up RD, and do what you do!
Very honest video.
Thank you.
This is a turning point in my riding.
@@RhinoDan That's great to hear. I was afraid you would crash in the beginning, you seemed very stressed like your mind were somewhere else. But by the end you seem to relax a bit. Good and patient instructor.
@@clauschristoffero very good instructor it was a stressful day and in the end my riding really improved.
he made you do the same thing as the begining, or what was different?
Same thing, I had to press forward instead of pull .
Cool bike and nice video :D
EarlyGamerTV Thanks for watching and the support. I really appreciate it.
Wow you sure can twist a throttle. 15 years huh, never gone 25 mph in all that time? I don't think you were ever even close to 25 once. I'm just watching the video and you made me nuts. I can't imagine how the Teacher kept from losing it on you. Keep going to class it may just save your life one day.
Unkster Underhill lol yeah I was going way faster than 25 mph and yes this class has help me a ton.
Cobie is a awesome coach and I am happy he was patient with me.
why didn't you just hold it steady at 25mph?You made life harder for yourself and it increased your nerves?
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Enjoy the video lol
So much respect for couch. The paciencia with this guy is amazing 👏🏽
everything about it seems wrong but it works!!!
Dan Roberson Yes it does seems wrong and yes it's Does work extremely well.
Very cool Rhino... cool indeed :) Here's another thumbs up from me.
on2purpose In this video shows the importance of being coached I been for 15 years of riding tens of thousands of miles of riding wrong which I will make another video in detail. I wanted this video to show what's it's like having a motorcycle coach and how some little miss understanding can cause you think you are doing it right but in the end not at all. I thought for years I knew about counter steering lol.
lol! All the GREATS are even greater students 😉 You're on the right track.
on2purpose I am it was a very humbling experience for me. If anything now I want to go and be coached even more.
Huh.
I've been doing counter steering with my bike the whole time and I haven't even realized it...
6:03 , there's a guy that's been riding 60 years and didn't know this.
How the hell he survived 60 years riding without countersteering?
Phillup DeGraves I think he's just trying to get the rider to let go of his ego and learn a bit. It's tough we all know.
Easy, you don't ride fast. Before I found out about counter steering, the only time I steered with the bars was turning at very low speed. Otherwise I used body and weight shifting I guess you could say. I'm a far better rider now with counter steering, or should I say, conscious counter steering.
@@stu290bushrider I here that. I used to never use it. Then when I finally figured it out I became a better rider.
He may have said 16 yrs
Everyone uses countersteering wether they know it or not. It happens when you travel roughly about 12 miles per hour or higher.
Wait the truck vs rider counter steering video says push right to turn left and vice versa and this video is saying the opposite? Is that because of speed ? Crap now I'm confused. It's been a few years since riding. I thought I had this down. Getting another bike soon. Hope it's literally like riding a bike.
Hi, If you have a bicycle try it in a parking lot push right not down just forward on the right bar and see what happens. Bicycles and motorcycles shared counter steering. And remember you this is around 12 to 16 mph any slower speeds and it's just steering.
Give it a try.
Rhino Dan When I was riding I had this down, but there are 2 sets of instructions between the videos unless I'm missing something. Maybe it's just the comments that are confusing. Push in opposite direction to go opposite direction is counter steering. I'm reading people writing push same direction.
@@Al-uf1pg Yes push the same direction push right to go right. This is important don't push down on the bars but forward on the bars. Pushing down on the bars can make the bike unstable.
Are you a Bay Area dude ?
@@Al-uf1pg I am
damn humble pie lol...good video u should hit up the doc wong riding clinics next one 5/7
RiseAbove Oakland I am going on May 5 / 7 . fliming too. Thanks for you watching my video.
cool ill be there too its a great ride and for every level rider wear your gear bring a water bottle if possible see you around ...i was at this event also came here from barf was watching your vids haha
RiseAbove Oakland Thanks for watching I am looking forward to the clinic and it would be good to meet in person
Instructor has the patience of a saint, some pp should just drive cars.
I am happy that Coby did take the time to help me become a better rider.
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Why are you so flustered? 15 years, and you struggle to counter steer or ride slow? Go practice that more. First lesson in surviving on a motorcycle is to relax. 35 years on motorcycles here. Keep up the learning. But Relax! It's all about having fun.
I did practice and here's the results thanks for watching.
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Awesome man really i m gonna do that
This is not counter steering. Its just regular steering. You would have to be in a slide to do counter steering.
Cody Leaf Well someone is very confused this is a motorcycle not a car. Very different indeed. Remember cars spin out and bikes high side so if that's your idea of counter steering you my end up in the hospital.
He's driving me crazy he's not getting it.
Eric Champion Sorry for driving you crazy I had years of bad habits to overcome and straighten out and it wasn't going to get fixed in 12 minutes. I am practicing on my own to fix my bad habits. Thanks for watching.
Awesome, I didn't think he was explaining it very well. It's more your body weight that does it, when you push on the right bar you have to dip your right shoulder almost like you want to fall over.
And it feels much more natural at highway speed. The bike is like a gyroscope.
Eric Champion I have noticed at fast speeds the bike is way more responsive and the steering is so more accurate.
I think you are frustrated and we are frustrated, but the teacher is great! He has patience and explains it well.
Happy 4th of July. great video btw
aka Independence Day just so you know I'm not retarded
MotorBike Mike Thanks Bro. Yeah this was a big day for me. I learned so much and started to correct my bad habits of pulling instead of pushing.
Thanks for the happy fourth too.
As clear as dish water.
I had such a hard time watching this. The coach would say go slower about 10 times. This guy just kept going faster. He never went 25 or around it one time. They should have been working on throttle control with this guy first. The trainer should have seen that he had no throttle control, Then addressed the issue.
2nd. He still does not have counter steering down at all. It was easy to see he had not understood it. In his defense, the trainer did not do a great job of training C-steering. After the first exercise, all the trainer had to say to get this guy to understand, was keep your elbows LVL with the bars and push forward on the left bar to steer left and push forward on the right bar to drive right. Then stand in front of the bike grab the hands of the rider and walk him through it once or twice. Anyway, you could tell this guy felt as if everyone around him thought he was dumb. Therefor, he was nervous, nervous every mistake in the book. The part where he said. "I can ride," if that was the case why are you at a school that teaches people how to ride? The trainer should have addressed this issue. I feel as if this guy walked away more confused. I wonder how many of these trainers actually ride a motorcycle and are experienced enough to train this course?Don't get me wrong most of this schools video's are great. This one! Not so much.
troy davis Thanks for watching and the long reply. Actually if you watch the video you would have seen my throttle control is good my deceleration was smooth with the throttle. Yes I was nervous just made a fool of myself on the body position bike. As goes my speed yeah I was having trouble in the video with keeping it to 25 mph. So I had a speed problem not a throttle control problem slightly different. Coach Cobie did a great job and I learn a ton. I had bad habits and had to work them out. Just because a person can ride on the freeway doesn't mean they can ride. A coach can help a person with their bad habits and almost every rider has bad habits they made while learning how to ride.
I understand this video is hard to watch coach Cobie had to help me with bad habits of pulling instead of pushing I started riding in the dirt on farms and mountain roads.
So I had many bad habits from dirt riding one of them was looking right in front of the bike.
Thanks for your opinion.
NO! WRONG. YOU SHOULD TAKE BASIC ENGLISH WRITING CLASSES ALSO. OH YES, SWITCH TO A 4-WHEEL ATV; I THINK YOU COULD HANDLE IT.
Dareis Nogod Thanks for your opinion not going to disagree about my writing. have a good day.
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he's right if you had good throttle control good speed control would be a natural part of it..instructor asks for 25 and you're repeatedly doing 35,40+ which shows you are having problems finding the sweet spot in the throttle to get and maintain that speed..speed control is a result of throttle control...
He isn't using his body weight. When you push the right bar dip your shoulder to the right.
Great video if you wanted to show somebody that shouldn't be riding on the streets with a motorcycle and most likely a car or truck
Your more than welcome to watch my other videos and give your opinion on them.
I can do that now for a week of training
If you can practice this once a week you will be a good rider .
Dan I’m really sorry it’s the mob mentality. When one sees a disparaging remark...then I feel like piling it on. It’s the Fireman in me. They are ruthless. Buddy you really did fine. Don’t be so thin skin about a jerk like me. What type of bike you have? Also...tell me one positive aspect and one negative part you took with you. PLEASE!
No worries, negative comments is part of being a TH-camr lol.
The positive of this video was being corrected about my counter steering. Counter steering is difficult concept for most rider's anyway.
I didn't know counter steering and it was a shock to learn that my knowledge on the subject was incorrect. So it was a honest video of me being in shock and you can see me trying it out learning how to do counter steering. The positive is I did learn about counter steering and there is no negatives because this day change my life as a rider.
You don't learn to countersteer, it just happens as naturally as riding a bicycle.
Yes and no, Seth Glenn. We all naturally learned counter steering when we began to ride a bicycle but we don't master counter steering until we make it a conscious effort. This may take hundreds or thousands of conscious counter steering efforts to turn it into muscle memory. If you watch this video you will see that this guy is riding his motorcycle nicely through some curves using counter steering. th-cam.com/video/GKbmBYKu6ow/w-d-xo.html Everything is going fine until he runs wide and has to make an effort to tighten up his turn preventing him from running into the truck. When you watch the video you will see that a combination of target fixation, applying front brakes and trying to steer the handle bars to the right caused him to go left and run into the fire truck. A basic rider course would've taught this rider to look through the turn and apply a little more press to the right bar to stay in his lane and avoid the head on crash.
How do you do how do to?
How do you pay for California superbike school and not know countersteering? Also I’m pretty sure California superbike school takes place on a track
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Here's your answers thanks for leaving a comment
absolutely everyone ignoring that the title says "how do to".
This day was the best day of my motorcycle life. I learned how to correctly counter steer a motorcycle huge life changing.
A lot of comments have said what I wanted to say.....I wont rub it in for the rider.
Well say anything you wish.
Here's what happened in the last two years.
Still alive lol
Didn't crash on the street.
Became a motorcycle champion.
Became in the top 99 percent of all street riders.
Achieve skill that most riders will never have.
Like anything in life we have to be corrected of bad habits from lack of knowledge. Coaching goes a long way.
Have a great day. If you ride practice in a parking lot and you may earn how to be a better rider.
@@RhinoDan You hsvr done well and glad to hear it. I live near thr summit of a 5,000 foot mountain in North Thailand...even after months of daily 30 mile rides up an down the twisty roads here..I'm still learning to corner slightly more smoothly. I still sometimes make mistakes..but not the kind that get you killed....touch wood.
All riders make mistakes it's only a problem when they compounded with more mistakes which leads to a crash.
Okay i get that to turn right you push the right handlebars but hell it doesnt make sense to me at all :
Stefan Dimitrov Yeah I had trouble with it too. I can tell you with certainly with a open hand push right the bike goes right.
I mean...i dont have a bike yet tho in future i hope i get one and have some fun :P
Stefan Dimitrov Do you own a bicycle? The same principles work on a bicycle counter steering works on a bicycle just do it in a empty parking lot because the bicycle will steer super fast and hard lol.
Stefan Dimitrov I have few videos to help out the new riders. let me know when you get your motorcycle.
Bikes steer where they lean so if you push right thus shifts the bikes lean to the right. It's simple physics
Thanks for share. But I dont still understand what steering mean
The way I see it is that the explanations are the problem. I heard countless people trying to explain the push left, go left, push right, go right, but nobody explains the mechanics of this. Super easy, actually (once I figured it out). When you push on the left handle bar, it will aim your front tire to the right which in turn tips the bike to the left, then you instinctively follow through with continuing to steer towards the left. The first two steps are in such tiny amounts that you don't even realize you are doing it, but your bike will!!