Does COUNTER STEERING Work At 5 MPH?
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I've gotten some emails about why talk about counter steering? This is why:
If you want to swerve right? What do you do? Many riders don't know...can't explain it or even do it. Therefore, they're screwed when the time comes. That’s why it’s important to understand and practice counter steering.
Most riders are unaware to what they’re doing and “just ride" without much thought to what they're doing or why or how to be better at it.
If you’re aware of what you’re doing and make more precise inputs, you’ll ride and corner with less effort. You’ll be more proficient. Be less fatigued. Ride longer and easier. Be able to put your bike where you want it, when you want with less effort...be totally in control of your bike. The amount of riders who can do that is very small.
Because they say things like "it just happens" or "no need to talk about this" or "everyone already knows this since childhood from riding a bicycle" all those stupid quotes are from the people who need to upgrade their knowledge and skill the most and it shows by their lack of ability while cornering/swerving.
Just look at the comment section of any of my counter steering videos...the amount of people who think it's dumb to talk about counter steering is astonishing.
It's like saying, why talk about how to run? Just run. People been running since they were 3 years old. Why learn or make videos about it? That's how stupid all of those people sound.
Bizarre isn't it. Such negativity. Why even do they bother commenting? Don't like it, move on. Moses sandles people have too much time on their hands!
Awesome video. Brand new rider. Thank you!
That's because some people's brains go into detail when thinking.
While some other people's brains can only deal with basic thoughts. But they still think they know everything.
They're usually the ones that say stuff like
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haderlayerdown 🙄
Totally agree, Thanks
there's a lot of people like this in every field.
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it"
- Albert Einstein
"Why? Because the bike loves you" best explanation 😄
I was so concerned about countersteering before I started riding. I read everything about it and watched every video on it. Still didn't get it. Then I rode a motorcycle for the first time. Within a minute I understood exactly what countersteering is. To quote Mr. LaBeouf - "DO IT!! JUST... DO IT!!" and you will understand exactly how it works. You just have to pay attention.
Why didnt you try it on a bicycle if you didnt get it?
@@n40798 Most don't think about it like that...
@ruben gonzalez Bike=20 pounds. Motorcycle=820 pounds. Not that simple. Or is it that simple...? You're not worried about countersteering on a bicycle because it can't crush you.
There's no reason to explain counter steering unless you want to know the physics of how a two wheel vehicle operates. You are just aware of how the bike reacts to certain inputs.
It's an intuitive thing that even children learning to ride bikes do naturally. You practice by riding, you cannot practice counter steering, it's like saying to lean forward more while running to harness the gravity so you can run faster.
It's a pedantic argument but the the term counter steering just ends up confusing people. It's knowledge not crucial to riding.
Because you've literally rode a bicycle and done it countless times.
The most bizarre thing about counter steering is that there are millions or even tens of millions of two wheeled riders all over the world who are going round bends and corners every day without ever being aware that they are counter steering and without being aware that such a phenomena exists.
And even more bizarrely they get oddly aggressive when told about counter steering. "I've been riding for 120 years young pup!" "Yes and you fucking suck at it and can't steer to save your life".
Maybe the physics behind it make sense ,the explanation Not at all
I really think it should be taught in a way riders are consciously aware of it. It saved my ass once, when I was a beginner rider I took a curved road a little too fast and pushing harder on the bar made the bike turn enough to make it. the bike can usually turn harder than the rider's skill so it is important to know how to get bike turning more. If I never got the note that pushing on the bar will make the bike turn harder I probably would have crashed thinking I was just not "leaning enough" (I hate the leaning talk, it makes no sense).
Obviously if you are not a beginner anymore, you would expect that your muscle memory is counter steering and you don't really think about it anymore.
The speed of the motorcycle does not matter...if you want to go right, push forward on the right handlebar (or pull on the left handlebar). The faster you push, the faster the bike will lean. That's it...simple. If you're still confused, I have about 10 other videos on counter steering on my channel.
th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=motojitsu+counter+steering
Thank you for demonstrating this!
I was confusing counterbalancing and counter steering. Two TOTALLY different methods. Can you explain the advantages and disadvantages to either or? Also any situation on the actual road counter balancing MIGHT be more beneficial? Thank you
Counter balance video 👇
th-cam.com/video/4m_qURucVTg/w-d-xo.html
Just out of topic 😅
Video just posted 2 hours ago on my app and how come your comment was 16h ago?
I saw a guy turn a STATIONARY light motorcycle to the right and it fell to the right. He gently broke the motorcycle's fall and eased it down.
He then turned it to the left and demonstrated that the motorcycle fell to the left.
So yeah it works at ANY speed including ZERO.
@@Stacy_Smith Good point, countersteer even works AT THE STOP because bikes are designed have some amount of steering column “offset”. Turning the steering column directly moves the upper part of bike to the opposite side, solely because of the offset. It’s not significant movement but perceptible to people with high awareness. Stunt riders can use that movement to their advantage while balancing at 0mph…Look at stunt riders frequently moving the handlebar at the stop. Countersteer at the stop works.
@@gmrrnracr Those two methods are just two independent topics, rather than two choices from which you have to choose one. You always countersteer at any speed, and also you can choose to counterbalance at slower speed. Counterbalancing allows you to lean more at slower speed. Countersteer? It changes the lean angle!
Just barely passed my endorsement test after failing it the first time.This is invaluable information. I had done this on a bicycle forever growing up and just watching this now you have connected those old neurons to some new ones. I feel significantly more confident understanding how the physics works now. When my instructors said "push to turn, that is countersteering" that wasn't enough for my feeble weightlifting man brain. I thought: "Wait, don't you pull the handlebars to turn? Why are they telling me to push them?" This was exactly what I needed to clarify that roadblock in my mind. I have committed to taking additional courses to further my motorcycle education. You have granted me knowledge nobody in my life could have given me, succinctly and thoroughly. Your channel has saved lives and prevented injuries. Thank you man.
Your videos are so helpful to me. New rider, 170cc scooter, but no knowledge until I watch your videos. Still in the parking lot practicing what you say to do. Thanks so much. Top speed for me so far was a brief 20mph. So knowing I can use counter steering at my most common speed of 10-18 is great! 😂
Getting after it buddy, for real, I'm still doing the clutch engagement / rock back and forth exercise to see exactly how and when it engages.
This was the thing that confused me most from the basic rider course to the point that I purposefully ignored it and relied on decades of riding a bicycle to effectively direct the bike by just willing it to turn. Your description of the physics makes sense and has allowed me to understand what the instructors were talking about but never explained. Thank you.
The the same thing on a bicycle
I literally rode my bicycle about 8 hours the week before my rider safety course and it made it a breeze
well riding a bicycle is better than doing nothing@@zzzzzz1039
If anyone rode a bicycle over 10mph you counter steered. Don’t over think this aspect. Some people get so confused not realizing they’ve counter steered their entire life. Honestly under 10mph you have to be psychologically balanced. You could regularly steer or counter steer.
@@joshw3539 there is no "regular steering" on 2 wheels no matter the speed. No matter the pace, if you are balanced on 2 wheel, if you are turning you have counter steered. The only way to not do it is foot on the ground or kidy wheels.
@MotoJitsu I discovered you a few weeks ago when I decided to buy my first bike (Honda CRF250L Rally). My first time ever sitting on a bike and/or riding a bike was yester (MSF rider class day 1). I have been soaking up the knowledge you are teaching; I have learned more from your channel already than I will learn in my MSF course. This video is like a shining gem for new rider like myself. I have a dual sport dirt bike and I'm more and more excited to ride it every time I watch one of your videos! Please keep up the education. You should start a riding academy (I guess you already have lol)
"Shut up and Practice" says it so we'll. The moment I put it into practice, I had a big smile. It works. Thx a mil!
Grew up on a bicycle, would ride no-handed over 20 blocks to Little League practice on my tall Schwinn. Sure enough, an initial lean forced the front wheel to the opposite direction, attempting to ‘fall over,’ until a slight ‘counter lean’ stabilized it! Many years later ..I’ve relearned and applied it to my motorcycles, thanks you.. what an instructor.
My favorite line... "Why does it work this way? Because your bike love you!" Classic... thanks for this great demonstration. Always learning.
I always explain that counter steering starts working as soon as the bike has enough momentum to stay balanced upright.
I think the fact that counter steering is always explained as a "technique" instead of a fact is a big reason why there's still so much misunderstanding regarding it.
Motorcycles/bicycles countersteer by themselves so your point does make sense. If you kick over a riderless motorcycle tracking straight at 10mph or whatever the bars will do the countersteering by themselves. Still I think it's a good thing to actually be conscious of your steering inputs. "I don't countersteer at slow speeds, I just lean" literally translates to "I don't pay attention to my steering inputs at slow speeds".
@@overdose8840 i agree. It's very important to learn. You have so much more control over the rate at which you lean the bike if you have counter steering down (i think active steering would be a more accurate term). The best part is you can always go back to natural steering, or however you thought you steered previously (which is again just counter steering, but subconsciously) when riding around and whip out your counter (active) steering chops for when you need to make a quick swerve or take a turn with more confident and purpose. It's a physical fact with the only difference being whether you do it subconsciously or consciously.
Good comment. Countersteer should be taught as a “principle” instead of technique.
Yes exactly. It’s not a technique or skill, it’s a fact. You do it or you don’t and crash, period. This whole topic needs to die. It truly is just a convoluted topic that leads people astray.
that's very true, the only difference at low speed and high speed is, at low speed the movements and actions and moments of counter steering is more obvious as compared to high speed. At low speed before you make a left turn, you would still right slightly to the right to make the bike lean to the left, and you can see that you make that right turn before turning left. of course the leaning/falling moment of the bike is also way more obvious. at high speed, the bike creates more of a gyroscopic effect that allows you to maintain that lean, but everything regarding counter steering action and moments are reduced. less obvious movements and less falling/leaning moment
"My bike loves me and physics work at 5 MPH" - Lesson learned.
This was the most concise and accurate explanation of counter steering AND actually how to perform it. Previously, it was confusing as to when to push and when to stop pushing.
BRAVO! I understand how to and why it all works, in one excellent video.
I was fortunate & was taught to counter steer when I first started riding 44 years ago!!!🙂 Counter steering gives you the best control of steering and the bike automatically leans appropriately. Pull back on same bar, brings the bike back up, in similar controlled manner. Trying to lean the bike to steer is just guessing
Hey man, thanks a lot for doing these videos. It makes it a lot easier and less intimidating to get into the motorcycle world by equipping myself with all these knowledge.
I did realized I do counter-steer, but I did it subconsciously, to the point where I don't even know i'm doing it. I ride bicycles when I was young, and I was already doing that without knowing I'm doing it.
Keep up doing what you do!! 🤩
It's all about getting the mass to the inside of the turn.
This is actually something that will just happen naturally as you ride. I love how hard you can "dive" doing this.
What a direct to the point explanation about counter steering. I learned a lot! @MotoJitsu, thanks man!
I completely agree with you. They did use the 15 mph reference at my msf course. It was mainly referenced when we were practicing emergency swerving.
THANK YOU for making this clear, I have had so many debates with people over this and it frustrates me like hell. Especially the loud mouth students who think they know everything about riding. I just think to myself "If you already know everything about riding, why are you in my class?"
"The bike loves you and physics works" - idea for a t-shirt with picture of analog speedometer 5 to 105 mph 🙃
This was sooo good! Thanks! One thing I still would like to see demonstrated (perhaps it is but I haven't found it yet) is emergencies in a turn. Like how to emergency stop in the middle of a turn. And how to miss that squirrel while in the middle of a high speed turn. You mentioned it in this video, but have you demonstrated it before? Thanks! Love the videos. Bought the app.
Yes he has, i forgot which vid bit it was within 12 months he wend over a branch or something I forgot
How to avoid a squirrel? Answer: You don't. You just run it over. Making adjustments for a squirrel is probably riskier than staying the course. If it was a larger animal, that's a different story. I would just decrease me speed.
I ride some twisted mountain roads that have tight slow curves,longer sweeping curves and lean angle in the straightaways. Some places I use countersteering, regular steering, and lean angle. The combination is so fun and starting to be second nature.
I’m so glad you explained it because everybody just automatically tells me to push right to go right and in your brain you just automatically think that that’s wrong. And I’ve never seen a video that actually explains how counter steering works. And I’m so glad I know now and that way I can go out and practice. I have ridden my bike quite a few times and I’ve taken it to work a couple of times but it’s fairly close so I don’t really have to do a lot of curves or anything like that. It’s pretty much a straight shot. And I just do it for practice but I want to practice more so I’ll take it to the school a couple of blocks from where I live and I practice in the parking lot. I haven’t been doing that lately because it’s like 100° in Alabama and it gets so humid that you almost pass out so I’m gonna start practicing this more because I purposely go on pretty straight roads to keep from having to do curves. And I know I shouldn’t do that but I’m going to practice more.
You have been a little short lately...but damn this was the most patient and amazing explanation!
I salute your hard work 👏
Thank you so much again, Greg - this made that coin finally drop for me!!! ❤ So confusing to hear the opposite from ones own teacher - that made me struggle so much at low speeds and sharp turns. 😢 Now I do it your way - this way - and it works beautifully! 😊 Feeling secure, at last! 🌟🙏 You are just marvellous! 🫠
Absolutely fantastic video, best explanation I’ve seen! Can’t wait for my lessons to put it into practise; seems so foreign to me. Assuming it works on a pedal bike so will try tomorow😂
I'm learning to ride now. A timely video. Yesterday I decided to see if counter steering worked in 1st gear, idling. Yep!
It’s truly a testament to the great engineering marvels bikes are and laws of physics. You kinda see it in nature too-if you see how fish swim when they want to dart sharply in one direction you see them do a quick very small blip in the opposite direction and then allows them to take off faster and accurately in the intended direction.
Cheers Greg, the beginner basics are very helpful to me
Wow! You have just opened my eyes big time! Thank you 🙏 I have one more day one my basics riding curse to get my L’s. I am so going to put this into practice tomorrow on some of the tight manoeuvres. Bikes are incredible machines 👌
4:07 I think this spray paint analogy gives the best intuitive picture. Like the wheel tracks a bicycle leaves behind after riding through a puddle. The front tire track is greatly exaggerated vs the rear tire and the front initially tracks opposite the turn direction.
I shared the description of this video and your TH-cam name with the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) here on TH-cam. I recommended that they make this video required viewing for all students before taking the MSF test. If I'd seen this before my training this week, it would have massively improved my riding skills! Thank you so much for posting this! I will start practing this right now!
Man, I really wish you'd chosen an empty parking lot! At 10:18, I almost had a heart attack when you got just eight feet from that Tesla!
This is the best and most thorough explanation I've found.
Great explanation. A lightbulb went off when you were explaining. Thank you! 🎉
one of better demos/ vids..... now I know why I have a hard time leaning the bike..... Thanks
Great video! Thanks for explaining this. I've been thinking about what would happen if I kept pushing the handle bar
About the student who took your instruction literally.
I am a driving instructor, we really have to think about what we say and never assume the student understand when to stop, ESPECIALLY if they have autism.
Big difference between turning right at the RED light, or turning right at the traffic signal.
So helpful. Thanks. You are a great instructor
Very clear explanation of something that many dont understand. Thank you!
Crips, I learned this in 83
How could any rider not know this points to poor instructors or no instructors
I remember our group instructors in 83 had us spend alot of time on this maneuver
I still practice it all the time
1oos of bikes in dozens of country's since it has saved
me more then once
Learn it, refine it, practice it
At low speed you have many other tool.
4:43 this is where I was previously confused. Counter steering vs wheel direction during turns.
I was thinking that you meant to go right counter-steer push right and keep the handlebars facing left; versus allowing the wheel to turn right after you have reached the lean angle.
The wheel will always steer into the turn after counter steering.
Best explanation for me! Thx!
Brilliantly demonstrated!
The way I always understood it intuitively. Is that when you turn the tire left, it goes left but then you bikes center of gravity falls right. Due to it's support (front tire) is being swept from underneath it. It's like kicking someone's legs out from them.
Okay been riding for almost a month. Almost 250 miles in my neighborhood and to the barn where my wife rides horses about 11 miles away (all back roads). THIS video finally unlocked counter steering for me.
Now to some more of the slow obstacle work and make this muscle memory. Thank you for these videos.
No courses anywhere near me but I’m gonna travel for one here soon.
You're welcome! MotoJitsu.com/courses take ChampU it's an online course
Thank you. I've watched hrs of training videos on this topic and never completely understood. This morning I got it 🎉
You’re really good Fast Eddie, best counter steering explanation ever!!!❤
I learned about countersteering as a kid on a bike.I rode through a puddle then turned sharp left back onto dry tarmac.I looked at my wheeltracks and noticed a strange little loop where I had instinctively steered right for a fraction of a second.at the point of turning and leaning..So even as a 10 year old I understood that I had to unbalance the bike to turn a corner.Now as a motorcyclist I rarely discuss countersteering because so few riders seem to accept or understand it.One bloke told me about a friend of his who went on a 'Countersteering course' and 'Now turns the handlebars the opposite way that he used to!'There are videos on TH-cam that promote the theory that countersteering starts at 12mph.Some riders say,"I steer normally....I don't do countersteering!"That's why I tend not to discuss it.
Thanks, often curious about this!
this is one of the better explanations ive heard. good job. showing the pull on the right to cause the destablization before the turn began is all the proof ya need.
Very well said. Even on a pedal bike you're counter steering and not even realizing it.
Good demo. Will try this, today.
the BEST & the clearest explanation i ever seen😊👏👏👏 Thank You 4 that😁👍🇺🇲
Probably the most important video I've watched about riding motorbike. Thanks ! Now I'll shut up and go practice.
Thanks. great job!
You are an asset to the community bro 👍👊
Better video than other one......Great!
0:28 The term "countersteering" was introduced to me when I found videos about it on TH-cam, and having learnt it I went to driving school to get my license with countersteering method in mind, so I put an effort to consciously apply it at all speeds. There was no mention of countersteering whatsoever by my instructor, which I found strange.
Best video on counter steering that I've seen. Now I understand.
While it may be true that you can countersteer at any speed, it is also true that you can make the bike lean by body position instead of countersteering. The most obvious example of this is making a U-turn from a stop. Start with full lock "direct" steering and bike already leaned. It may be less obvious on slow speeds but you can counter lean body which pre-leans bike without countersteering. And this is where it creates confusion. So the challenge is: to go make a video showing steering without countersteering by using body weight to pre-lean bike. Then show the difference between the two @ slow & fast speeds.
Thank you!! I just started riding (in a parking lot) 2 days ago, and i did not understand what counter steer meant on a bike, now it makes perfect sense. I will practice this tomorrow. Cheers!
Glad it helped!
I thought I understood counter steering. Have a new bike (upgraded) and trying to get more comfortable with it. Haven't been feeling comfortable with the throttling going slowly. Working on slow turns and sharper ones. Watched this and went back out and instantly improvement noticed. So thank you.
The problem is with the term "counter steering" you start the turn by turning the wheel in the other direction but it doesn't stay there. There is a good veritasium video where they show that you cannot turn a bicycle to the left without first turning the handlebars right. They do it with a device that makes it so the handlebars only turn one way. He couldn't turn the bike at all.
awesome!! thank you!
This is by far the best explanation and demonstration of counter steering!
share it!!
Great channel, great information, but I think it would be helpful if you explained the physics a bit. You could also explain that it works as you demonstrate it IF one does not counteract with body positioning. Which one can. It should also be explained that the force that makes the bike lean does depend on speed/velocity, the greater the velocity the greater the force that leans the bike upon turning the handlebar. Thus, the slower the bike the easier to compensate for this force with body positioning, and that makes handlebar steering a valid option at lower velocities. (I mean, c'mon, you don't "countersteer" while walking your bike in your garage. You just turn your handlebar where you wanna go.)
Thank you I'm a new Rider I went around my first roundabout the other day using counter steering and it felt great
Thanks for explaining.
I was very confused by a lot of other peoples videos. They went way too in-depth with math and the physics. For me and simple explanation and demonstration was all that I really needed to wrap my head around counter steering. I didn't fully understand how it actually worked the whole way through. Like once I push on the left bar to go left, what do I do after? Others just did physics explanations. You showed it and explained it in normal English. I immediately understood it. And for that I thank you greatly as getting into riding this was my biggest concern and fear. But now I have a foundational understanding of how it it suppose to work, I can go out and practice it myself to experience it first hand. Thank you.
Search "MotoJitsu counter steering" and all my videos will pop up about the subject for you to watch and learn. Then go riding one handed for 5 mins out through some turns, you'll get it.
so i just added a comment on another one of your videos asking this exact question so essentially what im getting from both videos is you push(or pull), relax, repeat all the way through the turn
tks for your viddeos. JF Montreal Canada.... (new GSA 1250 driver ;-) ... Yea Yea I fit the GS profile, over 50, rided when I was young LOL )
Thank you, this video helped me understand why it works. I've done it, but didnt understand it.
👌 A very good explanation of how it works.
Cool! I was standing and watching. Almost fell over as you made a U-turn. Sat down.
This also works on cars as well …. Counter steering helps a car corner more effectively in following a racing line
Uauuu!
Idk how this is a contested topic. Brand new rider here, less than 30 days, 2013 ninja 1000. This is how it works. You have to counter steer to go where you want to. The only confusing part about all this to me is how people dont understand it after they've been on a bike. Ride a bicycle first. Same concept.
This really does clarify a lot
I notice that when you are turning at highway speed (e.g. ONE FINGER Counter Steering Demonstration) that when you gently counter steer that the handlebars do not snap into the direction of the turn as seen here at low speed but that the handlebars continue to point in the direction opposite the turn as the turn continues.
Best counter steering explanation ever!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Tank you to information about the motor matic injeksi
Outstanding. Thank you.
Very good explanation and demonstration of what is just a law of nature.
This was so helpful.
MotoJitsu provided this great reply to me a couple weeks ago re: slow speed turning -
"There is no normal steering nor do you have to think about it at all...want to go left? Push forward on the left handlebar, that's it. Those steering corrections is probably vision issues not steering. Once you get to your desired lean angle, stop pushing...everything that happens after that (caster effect of trail when the bars do turn in the direction you're going, is automatic and don't have to "do" anything) but the more you're relaxed on the bars, you'll start to be able to actually feel this happening without interfering."
Greg's reply was helpful to me, I have been riding over 50 years but still learning. I know about countersteering - but was frustrated on the parking lot drills as the bike destabilized and I was flipping between countersteer, then normal steer - and felt like a newbie all over again. I was making steering corrections but getting confused on "left - right" (countersteer vs steering into the turn / normal steer).
No matter how long we have been riding, we may be a white belt if we don't roll up our sleeves and work out the low speed stuff. I have buddies who struggle with U-turns, unlevel surfaces, who are seasoned riders. Thank you Greg for helping the motorcycle community, and putting up with occasional flamers who think they know it all (but don't).
Greg's mention of "castor effect of trail" is per Lee Parks book "Total Control". Greg often credits this book and refers people to it, which is one of Greg's amazing attributes. To be humble and refer people to other reference material. The reference to how a shopping cart wheel changes direction (castor effect) is a light bulb moment. All motorcycles have "trail" unless your forks are absolute vertical (they aren't) which is why you don't have to keep countersteering once the bike begins to turn. th-cam.com/video/PgUOOwnZcDU/w-d-xo.html
This helped a lot. I knew about counter steering, but I always just nudged it and there was always a huge delay. I believe I didn't push enough, and ultimately just leaned (with my body) and made the turns anyways.
Leaning with your body and not turning the handlebars only just barely turns the bike. In reality you leaned with your body and subconsciously put pressure on the handlebars.
Next time you go riding try to ONLY lean your body at a higher speed and do not put any movement on the bars, even let go of them. You will turn insanely slowly.
Ultimately, the only way to turn a motorcycle with any sort of speed is countersteering even if you don’t realize you’re doing it.
Once again I’m learning new stuff from you Greg!!!! After 24 years of riding bikes I’m still learning stuff from you. I went from a hayabusa to a streetglide now having a little challenge with that bike because of the smaller ground clearance. Getting freaked out when I make a subtle lean, and the pegs start dragging. Can you do a video on this. Thank you .
Your body position is probably wrong if you're scrapping right away. I have lots of videos on body position.
Ok I will lean more and keep the bike more uprightttttt
Or maybe you just need to be neutral, I don’t know
So It's my complete misunderstanding of the physics. I was taught wrongly, might I add by not only my state MSF instructors but all explanation of what counter steer actually is since then.
First, my understanding as is it was explained by the state agency that gave me my MSF course and the instructors. Push right go right, super basic basic principle, especially on the twisties in the mountains. But with the slower speeds because the front wheel goes left/right to go left or right there's no counter steering.
Well now that you just blew that out of the water, I now know better. Thanks for the video.
The best explanation I've ever heard. 💪
For anyone seeing this, next time you go riding go like 80kmh, then try to turn ONLY by leaning your body, or only putting weight on a foot peg, or only pushing directly down on the handlebar, etc. any of those “alternative” methods of steering.
You will see that if you ONLY lean your body to turn you will hang your entire body off the side of the bike and just baaareeelly turn the bike. It’s the most sluggish turn you’ll ever do.
In reality, all of these alternative turning methods like “I just lean to turn the bike” don’t work at all. Anyone who says that they only lean their body is actually subconsciously turning the handlebars.
Try any method of turning, except for countersteering, and it won’t work whatsoever.
Spent 30 minutes in a big empty parking lot experimenting with slow speed counter steering after watching this video. One hand, clutch only, idle speed. Repeated a mantra -- "push left, go left, let the bike correct". Of course, the opposite works too -- "pull left, go right, let the bike correct". Much tighter figure 8's. Recommend folks try it.
hello,
that was always my question.
you keep on pushing in midle corner or turn the well to the exit of corner?
Many thanks
Bruno (Portugal)
First push of a handlebar instantly set in the concept of counter steering. It feels natural
"Because the bike loves you and physics work"
-MotoJitsu
I remember counter steering as the front tire tracks out from directly under the upper part of bike; as a result, the bike leans opposite direction from front wheel tracking.
The bike destabilizes not because the tire is rounded. It destabilizes to the right when the wheel is pointing left because the centripetal force from the left generates a torque that throws the bike to the right making it lean to the right.
Once leaned, the same centripetal force and torque is applied to the opposite direction because we're now turning right, but because we're now leaning, the forces are cancelled out and the bike assumes a natural curved path of travel... which is to the right.
What about the front wheel? It turns to the direction of the lean because of trail, which is the angle between the axle and the contact patch. This angle forces the wheel to turn.
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Weird how there are still people who want to claim countersteering isn't the thing we all do on all 2 wheelers, though for me I just think of it as "steering." My bicycles are almost all recumbents. There's literally zero way I can "lean" steer it, because my butt is glued to a lounge chair, and my feet are above my butt, so there's no "weighting the pedals" and the handlebar is a tiller, so there is no "pushing down" on the steering bars. (I can't push "forward" or "backward" either b/c of that tiller, so turns are initiated with a sideways swing...) Learning this is instinctive to a bike rider and takes only a few minutes, but understanding what you're actually doing isn't as simple. The term countersteer is unnecessarily confusing IMO, but the way it works is indisputable for anyone who pays attention. Unbalance bike to initiate roll, then allow geometry to steer back under it at the desired angle, adjust as necessary. It's scarier on a motorcycle because it demands more deliberation and it's not so simple to catch the weight when you get it wrong.