Rigged ? That's a deceptive title. The commentator's choice might not be the same as that of the selectors , that doesn't justify Rigged which implies some sort of dishonesty.
@@andrewrogers5962 Andrew and Angus are having a beer in a pub. Andrew: "You know what you said about the Norm Smith. Angus " About 4 months ago ? Andrew: That's it. Well, I agree with you. Angus: Are you sure you've had enough time to think about it ? Both laugh. Andrew: Your shout, mate. Humour. Thanks for the support.
Young kid who was probably not even born telling us that Buckley wasn’t best on ground. He took a team of hacks to 9 points from a flag against the best team of all time. He was the best on ground, Voss was second best but Buckley was not an undeserving winner by any chance.
Had $200 on Frawley in the 2015 GF @$81 22 touches, 11 marks and kept JK to 0 goals. Still pissed off. And yeah, don't get me started on the Houli bet.
Go back and watch the 2008 grand final. Stuart Dew had the best quarter, Hodge won the Norm Smith but Gary Ablett Jr was the best player on the ground. It’s not his fault his team couldn’t kick straight. Had the margin been a couple of goals closer (it was 26 points) he would have won the medal.
The 2016 Norm Smith medallist were the yellow maggots who umpired the match so much in the Bulldogs favour. Buckley was awarded the Norm Smith because nobody thought he would get to another grand final & they wanted him to win something.
@@kimberleyphilpot1035yes he probably does, but lm an otherwise neutral Victorian who was barracking for the doggies on the day, and good on them winning a flag after so long, but he’s not wrong about the umpiring. He’s just stating the obvious.
Doesn't matter what Cyril did or didn't do after half time coz the game was done and he was instrumental in setting that win up. Chants of "Cyril, Cyril, Cyril" echoed around the ground telling you exactly what Hawks fans felt. Stats aren't everything, especially with Cyril.
I really disagree with the term "rigged" used in this video. Voting on Norm Smith medals and brownlows is a subjective thing. They are NOT rigged, it's a difference of opinions with yours, that's all. For example, I'm a Geelong supporter and back in 2007, Steve Johnson won the Norm. No one questioned it at the time, but to be honest I thought Paul Chapman should have won it. There is always going to be differences on how people view a game. That doesn't mean it's rigged, grow up.
I’m a Richmond fan and think both Bachar and Dusty where almost equally as impressive wasn’t much between them. Maybe the difference was Dusty’s 2 goals
Yeah not quite an injustice, it could have gone either way and since dusty makes Houli look like an under 11’s player I’m glad dusty won his first of three.
As a tigers stan I 100% agree with you but go even further to say he also arguably could have won it in 2020 against Geelong. I think because that's the only GF when we were losing at half time, the impact of Dusty kicking massive goals overshadowed the fact that for four quarters Houli kept the cats at bay - with a freaking torn calf!
Johannison got a lot of the ball but wasn’t that good with it, Boyd and Picken should have raffled it. Rioli might be the most damaging 12-possession player to have ever played and deserved his Norm Smith. The influence was off the charts. Simon Black over Akermanis in the 2003 was true robbery - 20 disposals and 5 goals trumps 39 possessions and 1 goal.
@shanephillips "Johannison got a lot of ..."Boyd, for mine. It was his work around the ground as much as that goal. Boyd and Roughead, respectively full forward and fullback, Beveridge saw their talents would be better utilised all over the ground rather than just at the ends. Rucked them both. Whilst deficient as ruckmen, with Bont going in, 3rd man up, got away with it. Right up thereamong the best days of my life.
When awards are given where votes are accrued according to peoples' opinions you are always going to get a level of disagreement. While the comments you make are entirely valid they are nevertheless your opinion - admittedly based on some sound reasoning. The players who won the questionable medals did play pretty well just the same. Another excellent video Kaleen and one which does promote a degree of thought.
You left out Wayne Harmes,1979.Johnston,Francis and Fitzpatrick(rested whole 3rd quarter,costed him BOG) were superior that day but Wayne Harmes was Norm Smith's nephew.
Leon Baker should have won in 1984. It sounds like you haven't seen Grand Finals from the glory days,1977 to 1998,when players stayed in position and the flood which Rodney Eade instigated in 1996 but didn't start harming the game from 1999 to the present day.They are all available on YT for free.
I really think it's important that you watch the matches in question. Stats never tell the whole story. In the case of the 2002 GF, it was obvious from the opening bounce that Brisbane were significantly better than Collingwood. They overran the Pies just about everywhere but Collingwood's tight defence was clinging on. Buckley was phenomenal that match. The fact you said Voss ought to have been second is another thing that makes me suspect you haven't watched it, cos if it wasn't Bucks then probably Anthony Rocca was next best on field. It's fair to say that the gap between Buckley and Rocca, and the rest of Collingwood, was cavernous, but those two were the reason that the Pies almost snatched it. Voss had one pretty good quarter (the last) but wasn't as good for the rest of the match. He wasn't bad, by any stretch he was grouse, but Buckley was better. Also... no way Houli was better than Dusty in that match. That's a bizarre take.
Since when has the count of touches been the arbiter of the right to normie - it’s about influencing the game - Cyril not worthy? Go and watch the game and see who did what when the game was there to be decided.
Dumb video. You say that Cyril Rioli's 18 Disposal, 2 Goals performance shouldn't have enough to win but in the same video suggest Tom Boyds 14 Disposals, 0 Tackles should have. You have no idea what you are talking about
check the 2017 stats mate, dusty had 22 contested possies from 29 and 2 goals and went at 83%effective as a pose to 25 at 75% 1 goal and only 6 contested. the math on this is simple. this is a big mistake
Houli wasn't robbed it was the biggest misconception ever that people thought that, people just hated that Dusty won everything that year. Dustin had 29 disposals 22 contested, 2.2 and 2 goal assists & even set up Houli's goal.
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Bachar Houli was one of Richmond's most underrated players during their flags tbh
Jason Johannisen is the worst Norm Smith winner IMO… Liam Picken should’ve won the medal that day.
Truest thing ever said
Or if the umps didn't screw the swans, JPK deserved it.
Or Tom Boyd
@@natalieward8629always picken
Or Josh Kennedy
Rigged ? That's a deceptive title. The commentator's choice might not be the same as that of the selectors , that doesn't justify Rigged which implies some sort of dishonesty.
LOL
Exactly.
@@andrewrogers5962 "Exactly..." Good on you, Andrew. Just what's needed, a bloke who doesn't rush into hard decisions.
@@angusmckenzie9622 I’m not sure what you mean. I was agreeing with you
@@andrewrogers5962 Andrew and Angus are having a beer in a pub.
Andrew: "You know what you said about the Norm Smith.
Angus " About 4 months ago ?
Andrew: That's it. Well, I agree with you.
Angus: Are you sure you've had enough time to think about it ?
Both laugh.
Andrew: Your shout, mate.
Humour. Thanks for the support.
Young kid who was probably not even born telling us that Buckley wasn’t best on ground. He took a team of hacks to 9 points from a flag against the best team of all time. He was the best on ground, Voss was second best but Buckley was not an undeserving winner by any chance.
Collingwood wouldn't have been in the GF if they were just hacks. Best team of all time? You're dreaming.
Let's be honest. Chapman won the Norm Smith purely because he kicked the winning goal and played for the winning team. Such a cowardly move.
Kids of today thinking Best on ground is all about stats......
Frawley keeping Kennedy to 0 goals in 2015 after an 80 goal season. Sadly, defenders never win Norm Smiths.
@@csbcsb4458 FACTS
check out 2013.....@@csbcsb4458
@@omgnumbers9944 ok 'never' should have been, 'very very rarely'. 2013 was an anomaly.
I question johannisen, who's could be won by Boyd or another, and houli might of been robbed of 2017 norm smith
Houli robbed for sure. He was amazing that day
Houli in both 2017 & 2019
Had $200 on Frawley in the 2015 GF @$81
22 touches, 11 marks and kept JK to 0 goals.
Still pissed off.
And yeah, don't get me started on the Houli bet.
Don't gamble on football
Go back and watch the 2008 grand final. Stuart Dew had the best quarter, Hodge won the Norm Smith but Gary Ablett Jr was the best player on the ground. It’s not his fault his team couldn’t kick straight. Had the margin been a couple of goals closer (it was 26 points) he would have won the medal.
The 2016 Norm Smith medallist were the yellow maggots who umpired the match so much in the Bulldogs favour.
Buckley was awarded the Norm Smith because nobody thought he would get to another grand final & they wanted him to win something.
Ok, we get it, you go for swans.
@@kimberleyphilpot1035yes he probably does, but lm an otherwise neutral Victorian who was barracking for the doggies on the day, and good on them winning a flag after so long, but he’s not wrong about the umpiring. He’s just stating the obvious.
The 2009 Norm Smith Medal is unforgettable...Jason Gram was robbed ! ! ! There should have been 2 Norm Smith Medals given out.
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I agree. If the brownlow can have 2 winners, why can't the norm smith?
Doesn't matter what Cyril did or didn't do after half time coz the game was done and he was instrumental in setting that win up. Chants of "Cyril, Cyril, Cyril" echoed around the ground telling you exactly what Hawks fans felt. Stats aren't everything, especially with Cyril.
Picken should’ve won the 2016 he was great in the game had clutch moments that let to goal
Michael Voss, most courageous, determined and greatest player to play the game. Melbourne Demon fan.
I really disagree with the term "rigged" used in this video. Voting on Norm Smith medals and brownlows is a subjective thing. They are NOT rigged, it's a difference of opinions with yours, that's all. For example, I'm a Geelong supporter and back in 2007, Steve Johnson won the Norm. No one questioned it at the time, but to be honest I thought Paul Chapman should have won it. There is always going to be differences on how people view a game. That doesn't mean it's rigged, grow up.
Dusty winning it over Bachar Houli in 2017 was an injustice
I’m a Richmond fan and think both Bachar and Dusty where almost equally as impressive wasn’t much between them. Maybe the difference was Dusty’s 2 goals
Yeah not quite an injustice, it could have gone either way and since dusty makes Houli look like an under 11’s player I’m glad dusty won his first of three.
Kicks aren’t hard too get at half back dusty turned that game on its head thoroughly deserved all 3 he won no greater finals player born
I agree they gave it merely because it was dusty
The worst decision for a Norm Smith Medal was Maurice Rioli in 1982.
Wait until jr wins it the year after dusty retires.
@@williamcozbie1233you’ve gotta make finals for that to happen, and he has to hold a spot in the team
@@Xylic-_- haha, it could easily be another 37 years without a flag, maybe Maurice the 3rd or 4th in the 2057 premiership.
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As a tigers stan I 100% agree with you but go even further to say he also arguably could have won it in 2020 against Geelong. I think because that's the only GF when we were losing at half time, the impact of Dusty kicking massive goals overshadowed the fact that for four quarters Houli kept the cats at bay - with a freaking torn calf!
Houli should have had 2 Norms
A lot of winners I can agree with but some I'm shocked but not surprised because stars and midfield stat's rule the roost.
Great vid, you deserve so much more attention
Johannison got a lot of the ball but wasn’t that good with it, Boyd and Picken should have raffled it. Rioli might be the most damaging 12-possession player to have ever played and deserved his Norm Smith. The influence was off the charts. Simon Black over Akermanis in the 2003 was true robbery - 20 disposals and 5 goals trumps 39 possessions and 1 goal.
@shanephillips "Johannison got a lot of ..."Boyd, for mine. It was his work around the ground as much as that goal. Boyd and Roughead, respectively full forward and fullback, Beveridge saw their talents would be better utilised all over the ground rather than just at the ends. Rucked them both. Whilst deficient as ruckmen, with Bont going in, 3rd man up, got away with it. Right up thereamong the best days of my life.
I watch you every day
totally agree with your assessment of the 2015 & 2017 finals.
When awards are given where votes are accrued according to peoples' opinions you are always going to get a level of disagreement. While the comments you make are entirely valid they are nevertheless your opinion - admittedly based on some sound reasoning. The players who won the questionable medals did play pretty well just the same.
Another excellent video Kaleen and one which does promote a degree of thought.
They rigged it for Dusty for sure. It was only because it was Dusty and they wanted him to be the first to get the triple crown
Dusty definitely deserved the norm smiths he got. He’s one of the best players our game
The 2017 he didn't deserve, Rance was far superior...he got ripped off
Even if Collingwood loss bobby hill was going to get the medal
no he wasn't
Half back is much easier too play than midfield/forward dusty dominated whole teams in those 3 grand finaks of course he deserves the 3
Rioli in 15 was sickening, as was JJ in 2016, Martin in 17 and arguably 19
2019 was clearly Dusty? 4 goals 22 touches BOG Cleary lolll
You left out Wayne Harmes,1979.Johnston,Francis and Fitzpatrick(rested whole 3rd quarter,costed him BOG) were superior that day but Wayne Harmes was Norm Smith's nephew.
Bryan Pickett. That was Shayne Burgourne’s by far
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@@markuswilmes3694 yes
Leon Baker should have won in 1984. It sounds like you haven't seen Grand Finals from the glory days,1977 to 1998,when players stayed in position and the flood which Rodney Eade instigated in 1996 but didn't start harming the game from 1999 to the present day.They are all available on YT for free.
Jason Johannisen had a lot of metres gained in the 2016 granny. 800+ I think. Kennedy was unlucky; probs wins if the Swans won
Great stuff Kaleen
onya Kaleen, good content as always
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Cyril Rioli was not even in the best 5 players on the ground!
I really think it's important that you watch the matches in question. Stats never tell the whole story.
In the case of the 2002 GF, it was obvious from the opening bounce that Brisbane were significantly better than Collingwood. They overran the Pies just about everywhere but Collingwood's tight defence was clinging on.
Buckley was phenomenal that match. The fact you said Voss ought to have been second is another thing that makes me suspect you haven't watched it, cos if it wasn't Bucks then probably Anthony Rocca was next best on field. It's fair to say that the gap between Buckley and Rocca, and the rest of Collingwood, was cavernous, but those two were the reason that the Pies almost snatched it. Voss had one pretty good quarter (the last) but wasn't as good for the rest of the match. He wasn't bad, by any stretch he was grouse, but Buckley was better.
Also... no way Houli was better than Dusty in that match. That's a bizarre take.
Keep it up
Houli was good but Martin was just better lol
Both were great tho
Jimmy was,deserved
Since when has the count of touches been the arbiter of the right to normie - it’s about influencing the game - Cyril not worthy? Go and watch the game and see who did what when the game was there to be decided.
Bachar is a goat but take dusty out of all 3 grand finals and Richmond wouldn’t have won a single won that’s why he deserves 3 norms
Actually 2019 was kinda over in the second quarter so we’ll say 2017 and 2020
first!! keep it up kaleen luv the videos mate
Nice Vid!
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Buckleys wasnt a dud bro. Watch the game champ.
Dumb video. You say that Cyril Rioli's 18 Disposal, 2 Goals performance shouldn't have enough to win but in the same video suggest Tom Boyds 14 Disposals, 0 Tackles should have. You have no idea what you are talking about
You could never judge Rioli's impact just by disposals anyway
Rioli is legit the only good pressure forward the game has ever seen
Great video man
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Kaleen pls ❤ this comment
In the winning team.
ur just yapping about the 2016 mate
why do you say grand final so weird
This dude is clueless, but thinks his opinion is gospel.
Bro... you really need to watch these games. You have disgraced yourself im sorry
isaac smith should of won it in 2015
check the 2017 stats mate, dusty had 22 contested possies from 29 and 2 goals and went at 83%effective as a pose to 25 at 75% 1 goal and only 6 contested. the math on this is simple. this is a big mistake
Houli wasn't robbed it was the biggest misconception ever that people thought that, people just hated that Dusty won everything that year.
Dustin had 29 disposals 22 contested, 2.2 and 2 goal assists & even set up Houli's goal.
Second :)