In the 2014 off-season, collingwood sent Dayne Beams to Brisbane along pick 69 in exchange for pick 5, 25, and jack crisp. Those picks turned into Jordan de Goey and Levi greenwood. Beams was an incredible player, yes, but I think it's fair to say crisp, de Goey, and greenwood were far better.
TBF Brisbane’s hands were tied with that trade. They were coming off the “go home 5” saga, and an established superstar wanted to go to Queensland. That years top 10 players were interstate based so there would’ve been the concern of pick 5 leaving after their first contract was up, and if the lions didn’t jump on Dayne, the suns most likely would, which would’ve set a bad precedent for a club in dire straits at the time.
Everyone criticises wc for that trade but if u look at what they could have had, at best they would have picked up some ok role players. Tk may not have quite lived up to it, but he has won a b and f and there are games we likely wouldn't have won without him. We overpaid, but its not as bad as made out
Just because a club managed to snag a draft steal with a low pick doesn't make trading away that low pick a "Bad trade" for the club who traded it. The recipient club could have just as easily drafted a nobody who never played a game with their pick 32 or whatever. E.G when Sydney traded away pick 31 for a player, it's not really anything to with that trade that Brisbane were lucky enough to pick up Simon Black at 31. Every other team could have drafted Black earlier if they wanted to. Likewise, Hawthorn picking up Sam Mitchell at 36 shouldn't count against Fremantle. Hawthorn's first pick that year (pick 16) was Rick Ladson, if those picks were reversed, nobody would think Fremantle made a terrible trade.
I agree, at pick 31 all clubs didn't think Simon Black was first choice. In 1994 Essendon gave Freo Todd Ridley and Tony Delaney for pick 4 and a priority pick. We used it to get Scott Lucas and Matthew Lloyd.
Adelaide didn’t trade pick 2 for Carey, it was pick 4. Then due to draft restrictions for Carlton’s salary cap breach dropped the pick to 2. Adelaide said they wouldn’t have traded if they knew prior..
At the end of 2012 the Eagles had Dean Cox, Scott Lycett and a guy by the name of Naitanui on their list. The did not need another ruckman, Grundy. It would have been fairer to rate this trade if you compared Wellingham to the next best Half back Mid fielder from that draft. A quick look at the draft from that year shows very few players doing anything near what Wellingham did at the Eagles. This example, is, an unfortunate, weakness of your analysis.
@@Kaleen_YT ...and absolutely accepted by the entire industry as the most one-sided trade ever, and yet...doesn't even make your list. Hopefully, an oversight on your part.
Basing it on picks is fraught with uncertainty, Hawthorn took Mitch Thorpe with pick 6 in 2007 and Geelong took Joel Selwood at pick 7. I was hoping for a list about direct player trades. Your #1 missed a few details as well, Trent Croad was traded as a forward and only became a backman when he came back to Hawthorn. McPharlin ended up being a pretty decent player for Freo as well so the trade wasn't completely abysmal.
And 45K in cash for only 40 games from Pitura. South Melbourne football teams and pub patrons were definitely the winner. You could buy a decent house in a decent suburb for 45k in 1975.
To be fair I think the Ottens trade shows the difference in club culture. Ottens was a bit of a disappointment when he was traded I think it fair to say Geelong were hope for less than they got. The fact Ottens became the footballer his potential had hinted at at Geelong tells you more about the clubs than the players involved.
What made the trade where Hawthorn got Hodge and Mitchell even worse for the Dockers is that they sent Croad back to the Hawks and he won a flag. Even if McPharlin is a Dockers great, they lost the trade in a landslide
Before your time, but Ian Stewart, St Kilda, for Billy Barrot, Richmond. Stewart, who had already won 2 Brownlows, picked up his third in 1971 at Richmond, playing 78 games there, while Barrot only played two games for the Saints. Admittedly, it was in the VFL era, but still a shocker.
@@Simmo_AU Naitanui would have never been displaced as West Coasts #1 ruck. Not by a player he convincingly beat head to head. Grundy thrived as the main man at Collingwood.
freo were the real losers in the wellingham - grundy trade, they picked Josh SImpson the pick before who played a whopping 2 games. With an aging Sandilands on their list, eagles already had NicNat.
Surely the Tippett dumpster fire deserves an honourable mention (I know Sydney picked him up in the pre-season draft, but the whole mess was kicked off with an attempted trade).
I can't remember who they too instead but the Dockers had 1sr dibs on Andrew McCleod in some start up team concessions. In fact the dockers could own this whole video Peter Bell and Winston Abraham spring to mind
I was never comfortable with the wellingham trade, thought we massively overpaid in giving a first round pick. That feeling didnt improve with the capability grundy showed
Mate they got Ballard who will be an all Australian before his career is out, Bradshaw has been good but Freo are incompetent as shown by the Luke Jackson trade.
I think effectively if you're saying Daniel Wells to North Melbourne and Wayne Carey to Adelaide was one of the "worst trades" I think that's a bad take. Carey had plenty of good games for Adelaide, but just didn't play at the lofty heights that he reached at North Melbourne when he was often thought to be one of the greatest ever players. He had a freak injury. Daniel Wells was a highly skilled player at times, but I think he was a bit inconsistent. The Roos never had a fantastic record with him from memory. I don't know if you actually saw Carey in Crows games.
@@Kaleen_YT Well, the facts were that the Crows wanted to keep him, he wanted away, so what do you do? If you play hard ball, he possibly misses a season, ends up where he wants to be and the Crows get nothing.
It's lame comparing players to picks as it assumes the other club would have taken the same player. The Eagles for example would not have drafted Brodie Grundy for 17 so the implication they gave up Grundy for Wellingham is false.
another Dockers' trade is actually worse than trading Pick 1. They traded Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom. Chris played only 7 games before being delisted after just one season
That last trade was bad enough that Freo basically won those 4 flags and handed them to Hawthorn lol! I tend to think clubs can extract a lot out of players. I remember when the media gave shit to Collingwood for recruiting the "overweight" Leigh Brown, who starred and helped the pies win their 2010 flag. (Same could be said for players like Luke Ball, Darren Jolly and Paul Medhurst) Geelong has been so good in the last two decades, that basically any sketchy looking trade seems to work out for them. Teams often know what they need more than we can, but sometimes bad luck can happen. Your "Worst trades in AFL history" includes a couple where one side of the trade was badly injured and career ending. I mean, that's hardly a "bad trade" as much as it is, just "shit luck", right?
The Wellingham-Grundy trade wasn't bad. Both teams won. Collingwood got an All Australian ruckman, and West Coast got a half back that was pivotal in them reaching the 2015 GF. More importantly, West Coast wouldn't have drafted Grundy if they held onto that pick because they already had a guy called Nic Natanui. And don't forget, Grundy's form got so bad they shipped him off to Melbourne. Then he essentially played VFL for them, so they shipped him off to Sydney. He has been bad for a while now.
Ottens was shit at Richmond. He was a completely different player at Geelong. We lost the trade by a mile but it worked out for both of us in the end so that one I’ll take
Wayne Carey 2002, Michael Martin 1999, Brandon Matera & Brayshaw 2017, Jude Bolton 1999, Nathan Lonie 2005, Jasper Pittard 2009, Simon Black 1997, Brodie Grundy 2012, Brad Ottens 2004, and Luke Hodge & Sam Mitchell 2001
Carey wasn’t a “good” trade, but Adelaide’s worse? No. Bryce Gibbs at 32 for 2 firsts and for him to just do nothing (less than Carey ever did) and play in the 2s on a big contract
Richmond told him if he wasn't the number 1 Ruck at the club within a year then his trade request would be honoured. Nank the Tank was the no.1 ruck and the Italian Giant got traded because of it.
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Freo trading Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom. You missed the worst trade in the history of the game. There will never be one as bad as that ever
In the 2014 off-season, collingwood sent Dayne Beams to Brisbane along pick 69 in exchange for pick 5, 25, and jack crisp. Those picks turned into Jordan de Goey and Levi greenwood. Beams was an incredible player, yes, but I think it's fair to say crisp, de Goey, and greenwood were far better.
great example of a bad trade
Lets not talk about the beams return deal trade 😂
Yeah the trade back is worse
TBF Brisbane’s hands were tied with that trade. They were coming off the “go home 5” saga, and an established superstar wanted to go to Queensland. That years top 10 players were interstate based so there would’ve been the concern of pick 5 leaving after their first contract was up, and if the lions didn’t jump on Dayne, the suns most likely would, which would’ve set a bad precedent for a club in dire straits at the time.
i mentioned this when we first made the gf in 18 and everyone said it wasn't relevant, the 2 players we had ended up winning the gf for us
Tim Kelly trade gave Geelong enough currency for Jeremy Cameron, and basically a Premiership
technically yes
That would make it a good trade. Not a bad one
@@darrennoble1474 arguably a bad trade for WC though, Kelly hasn't really properly fired
Ironically one of the picks geelong gave gws for Cameron netted them tanner bruhn. Only for the cats to nab him off them as well two years later
Everyone criticises wc for that trade but if u look at what they could have had, at best they would have picked up some ok role players. Tk may not have quite lived up to it, but he has won a b and f and there are games we likely wouldn't have won without him. We overpaid, but its not as bad as made out
Just because a club managed to snag a draft steal with a low pick doesn't make trading away that low pick a "Bad trade" for the club who traded it. The recipient club could have just as easily drafted a nobody who never played a game with their pick 32 or whatever. E.G when Sydney traded away pick 31 for a player, it's not really anything to with that trade that Brisbane were lucky enough to pick up Simon Black at 31. Every other team could have drafted Black earlier if they wanted to. Likewise, Hawthorn picking up Sam Mitchell at 36 shouldn't count against Fremantle. Hawthorn's first pick that year (pick 16) was Rick Ladson, if those picks were reversed, nobody would think Fremantle made a terrible trade.
some good points, will definitely consider if I make a part 2
I agree, at pick 31 all clubs didn't think Simon Black was first choice.
In 1994 Essendon gave Freo Todd Ridley and Tony Delaney for pick 4 and a priority pick.
We used it to get Scott Lucas and Matthew Lloyd.
Good comment. Some sound logic there.
Adelaide didn’t trade pick 2 for Carey, it was pick 4. Then due to draft restrictions for Carlton’s salary cap breach dropped the pick to 2. Adelaide said they wouldn’t have traded if they knew prior..
yes you're right
At the end of 2012 the Eagles had Dean Cox, Scott Lycett and a guy by the name of Naitanui on their list. The did not need another ruckman, Grundy. It would have been fairer to rate this trade if you compared Wellingham to the next best Half back Mid fielder from that draft. A quick look at the draft from that year shows very few players doing anything near what Wellingham did at the Eagles.
This example, is, an unfortunate, weakness of your analysis.
understood
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Grundy helped west coast win the 2018 grand final with his terrible game . I take this trade as a win for west Coast
Fremantle trading Andrew McLeod must be the worse
Yeah, I was waiting for that disaster Freo refer to as the 90s.
They were historically bad back then.
Andrew McLeod traded for Chris Groom
340 games
2x Premierships
2x Norm Smith
5x ALL-Australian
3x B&F
traded for 7 games of Chris Groom.
one of the Crows best ever players
@@Kaleen_YT ...and absolutely accepted by the entire industry as the most one-sided trade ever, and yet...doesn't even make your list. Hopefully, an oversight on your part.
Maybe just sp obvious it goes without saying. @@digimont
😁 Even more painful for the Dockers is that Luke Hodge won 2 Norm Smith Medals, not just one.
Great video.✔ Very cool. ✔
13 02 2024
Glad you liked the video. Yeah, very painful for Freo indeed.
I'm loving the comments section. Great video!
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Loved it Kaleen!
Good to hear
Basing it on picks is fraught with uncertainty, Hawthorn took Mitch Thorpe with pick 6 in 2007 and Geelong took Joel Selwood at pick 7. I was hoping for a list about direct player trades.
Your #1 missed a few details as well, Trent Croad was traded as a forward and only became a backman when he came back to Hawthorn. McPharlin ended up being a pretty decent player for Freo as well so the trade wasn't completely abysmal.
They were worried about selwoods knees i think, crazy right
yeah i should have considered the uncertainty of draft picks more heavily, will do next time
crazy for sure
Getting rid of croad was freos gain
@@mondop5270 Good, I'm glad it gave them the resultant success!
1975 off-season
Richmond would give away Graham Teasdale, Brian Roberts, and Francis Jackson in return for John Pitura. Wasn't worth it I believe
And 45K in cash for only 40 games from Pitura. South Melbourne football teams and pub patrons were definitely the winner. You could buy a decent house in a decent suburb for 45k in 1975.
Fremantle when they traded Andrew McCloud to the crows for Paul rovrray in 1995
another bad trade from the Dockers
That was Chris Groom, but the player Macca turned out to be would make this trade worse than most on this list.
@@dougharrison7844 yes it was Chris groom after I wrote it I was like oh shit an don't no how to edit haha 😂😆
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To be fair I think the Ottens trade shows the difference in club culture. Ottens was a bit of a disappointment when he was traded I think it fair to say Geelong were hope for less than they got.
The fact Ottens became the footballer his potential had hinted at at Geelong tells you more about the clubs than the players involved.
What made the trade where Hawthorn got Hodge and Mitchell even worse for the Dockers is that they sent Croad back to the Hawks and he won a flag. Even if McPharlin is a Dockers great, they lost the trade in a landslide
yeah, it has to be the worst trade ever
And McPharlaine although turned out alright couldn't stay on the park for about 4 seasons
Before your time, but Ian Stewart, St Kilda, for Billy Barrot, Richmond. Stewart, who had already won 2 Brownlows, picked up his third in 1971 at Richmond, playing 78 games there, while Barrot only played two games for the Saints. Admittedly, it was in the VFL era, but still a shocker.
🏈 How right you are to have Brodie Grundy in the thumbnail, after his short stay at the Demons.
13 02 2024
absolutely
Brodie Grundy wouldn’t have had the same career behind Naitanui and alongside Lycett.
good point
@@Simmo_AU Naitanui would have never been displaced as West Coasts #1 ruck. Not by a player he convincingly beat head to head. Grundy thrived as the main man at Collingwood.
freo were the real losers in the wellingham - grundy trade, they picked Josh SImpson the pick before who played a whopping 2 games. With an aging Sandilands on their list, eagles already had NicNat.
Surely the Tippett dumpster fire deserves an honourable mention (I know Sydney picked him up in the pre-season draft, but the whole mess was kicked off with an attempted trade).
I can't remember who they too instead but the Dockers had 1sr dibs on Andrew McCleod in some start up team concessions. In fact the dockers could own this whole video Peter Bell and Winston Abraham spring to mind
yes, a few people have mentioned that one
Don’t forget they had a sht coach so they could have had their pick of the competition to fill the team and still would have come last.
I was never comfortable with the wellingham trade, thought we massively overpaid in giving a first round pick. That feeling didnt improve with the capability grundy showed
Great video
appreciate it
Any trade North Melbourne has done in the last 8 years belongs on this list.
Mate they got Ballard who will be an all Australian before his career is out, Bradshaw has been good but Freo are incompetent as shown by the Luke Jackson trade.
brayshaw already has an all australian and top 4 brownlow finish his a gun anyone would rather have him then ballard
Missed the fact that Croad got traded BACK to hawthorn and was apart of the 08 premiership team
Not sure the Grundy/Wellingham trade is as lopsided as you think
Richmond - Pitura to Sth Melb for Teasdale, Roberts & Jackson.
Sth also traded away Terry & Neale Daniher for Neville Fields
good pick
I think effectively if you're saying Daniel Wells to North Melbourne and Wayne Carey to Adelaide was one of the "worst trades" I think that's a bad take. Carey had plenty of good games for Adelaide, but just didn't play at the lofty heights that he reached at North Melbourne when he was often thought to be one of the greatest ever players. He had a freak injury. Daniel Wells was a highly skilled player at times, but I think he was a bit inconsistent. The Roos never had a fantastic record with him from memory. I don't know if you actually saw Carey in Crows games.
Wellsy was a gun at North for the next decade while Carey was at his end. It was a good trade by North.
🏈🏈🏈 Adelaide Crows: Trading away Jack Gunston to Hawthorn.
Jack Gunston in three peat 2013 2014 2015.
4 goals in 2013 Grand Final.
13 02 2024
definitely a terrible trade
@@Kaleen_YT Well, the facts were that the Crows wanted to keep him, he wanted away, so what do you do? If you play hard ball, he possibly misses a season, ends up where he wants to be and the Crows get nothing.
@@digimont100% OP is an absolute idiot, Gunston walked out on the Crows so we were forced to trade him
It's lame comparing players to picks as it assumes the other club would have taken the same player. The Eagles for example would not have drafted Brodie Grundy for 17 so the implication they gave up Grundy for Wellingham is false.
Tippet to the Swans was the worst trade ever
Hardly
Tyrone vickery to hawthorn, he was absolutely useless
great choice
Free agent not a trade.
He kicked the ball too roughy and roughy kicked the winner against Sydney, about the best thing he done 😂😂
West Coast paying max for Tim Kelly is up there. But when you are down and are the wealthiest club you can gamble a bit aye.
Brett Deledio trade to gws giants is worst trade period
i'll have a look into it
another Dockers' trade is actually worse than trading Pick 1. They traded Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom. Chris played only 7 games before being delisted after just one season
yeah I forgot that from this list
That last trade was bad enough that Freo basically won those 4 flags and handed them to Hawthorn lol!
I tend to think clubs can extract a lot out of players.
I remember when the media gave shit to Collingwood for recruiting the "overweight" Leigh Brown, who starred and helped the pies win their 2010 flag.
(Same could be said for players like Luke Ball, Darren Jolly and Paul Medhurst)
Geelong has been so good in the last two decades, that basically any sketchy looking trade seems to work out for them.
Teams often know what they need more than we can, but sometimes bad luck can happen.
Your "Worst trades in AFL history" includes a couple where one side of the trade was badly injured and career ending.
I mean, that's hardly a "bad trade" as much as it is, just "shit luck", right?
yeah it has a lot to do with luck, and injuries must be considered aswell
The Wellingham-Grundy trade wasn't bad.
Both teams won.
Collingwood got an All Australian ruckman, and West Coast got a half back that was pivotal in them reaching the 2015 GF.
More importantly, West Coast wouldn't have drafted Grundy if they held onto that pick because they already had a guy called Nic Natanui.
And don't forget, Grundy's form got so bad they shipped him off to Melbourne. Then he essentially played VFL for them, so they shipped him off to Sydney.
He has been bad for a while now.
😁 Brendan Fevola to Brisbane.
13 02 2024
for sure
After looking at this comment section I’m convinced it’s the 13 02 2024. Anyways great video Kaleen!
Wow crazy, I didn’t know that. Thanks btw
Yep. That's code breaker for you. Dudes been putting the dates in his comments for 4 years now 😭
Why is it all people in comments with the 13 02 2024 far out
No idea, must all be big fans of the channel
Your pfp hurts my eyes
@@braidenmcbride9320 too bad
Judd for Kennedy was pretty good for West Coast.
😁😁😁 Intro: Jack Ginnivan in a Hawks jumper....A train wreck waiting to happen.
13 02 2024
we'll see about that this season
Tew Jiath is going to be a star
@@TheLaughingMagpie Hawthorn's Jiath averages 9 games person. He has already played 5 seasons. Jiath is an average player.
14 02 2024
Some good left field ones there
what do you mean by that?
Mitchell never won the Brownlow, he was given it after Jobe Watson was unjustly forced to give it up.
yeah, it's debatable
Essendon was on the juice💉💉
Deserve the 20 years without winning a final
@@Snappernose troll
@@AustSaintnah no troll just correcting you, Jobe didn’t deserve to keep Charlie
@@Snappernose he did, the whole supplements saga was a witch hunt.
Crameri for merrett, seems pretty good for the bombers
can you plaese do each teams worst trade of all time ?
maybe in the future
Chris Yarran and a nasty habit for pick 19 was a shocker, particularly given the Blues knew about Yarran's issues.
he was pretty good during his playing years
I'm a tigers fan and I was filthy when all that shit came out
West coast traded Judd for Kennedy. Turned out best for West coast.
Ottens was shit at Richmond. He was a completely different player at Geelong. We lost the trade by a mile but it worked out for both of us in the end so that one I’ll take
yeah it could have been a worse trade
Magpies had a player called Cole and if we got Ling and our ruckman Wood poetic licence we would of had Col Ling Wood
May I ask what years these trades were made?
Wayne Carey 2002, Michael Martin 1999, Brandon Matera & Brayshaw 2017, Jude Bolton 1999, Nathan Lonie 2005, Jasper Pittard 2009, Simon Black 1997, Brodie Grundy 2012, Brad Ottens 2004, and Luke Hodge & Sam Mitchell 2001
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Traditionalists gotta traditionalist I guess.
Jobe Watson won the 2012 brownlow medal.
Essendon were also on the juice💉💉
Pretty sure the worst trade was fremantle trading Andrew McLeod to the crows for Chris Groom
West coast traded Chris Judd to Carlton in return they Chris Masten and Josh Kennedy
100% West Coast won the trade
Josh P Kennedy. Enough said.
you're the first one to mention him.
Eh Pickett won a norm smith at port… I doubt they’re unhappy with the trade
good point, in their only premiership aswell
Not to mention we got croad back for nothing
10:09 and even if you won the Brownlow retrospectively
It wasn’t a trade but Collingwood could of got Cameron Ling in the draft what a mistake that was
West Coast trading Jarad Scoffield for Scott Cummings
Freo weigh ⚓ to go, pick up a few and let the Champs Go.
None of these compare with Fremantle trading Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom. None!
you're not the first person to say that
Yes we got cam
of course
I'd enjoy these videos more if you called Hawthorn the poo's and wee's instead of the brown and yellow.
Carey wasn’t a “good” trade, but Adelaide’s worse? No.
Bryce Gibbs at 32 for 2 firsts and for him to just do nothing (less than Carey ever did) and play in the 2s on a big contract
some of these aren’t bad trades but just poor draft recruiting
love the concept but there’s so many other ones you missed
Why did we let Soldo go?
Not sure, why did you?
Richmond told him if he wasn't the number 1 Ruck at the club within a year then his trade request would be honoured. Nank the Tank was the no.1 ruck and the Italian Giant got traded because of it.
Chad Morrison for pick 37, that pick turned out to be Mark LeCras
great pick
Mitchell and cotchin got given a brownlow, they didnt win it.
Sorry what? Cam Mooney was bang on average. Bolton was amazing
grundy
We’re the Eagles the west coast eagles
Be great if you had the right video to go with the commentary.
Mitchell didn’t win the Brownlow tho….
how?
Didn’t get the most votes, he got a pity prize
Sam Mitchell didn’t win a Brownlow
2012?
Freo weigh ⚓ to go, pick up a few and let the Champs Go.