*True or False:* There is only one Saviour, and JESUS is that one and only Saviour.
If the answer is True (which it is), then the "First Person of the Trinity" is *not* the Saviour, and the "Third Person of the Trinity" is *not* the Saviour. But the "First Person of the Trinity" and the "Third Person of the Trinity" - along with the "Second Person of the Trinity" - are fictional characters, so of course "they" cannot save anyone.
There is only one Saviour - the _unipersonal_ GOD - who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested himself on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, so that he could lay down his own life for us. And the name of this _unipersonal_ GOD is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
@@jaredg5663 In the very next verse, we see that _"God created man in _*_his_*_ own image, in the image of God created _*_he_*_ him; male and female created _*_he_*_ them."_ So according to Genesis 1:27, God created man *by himself,* which means he was communicating *_with_** himself* in Genesis 1:26.
God _"[works] all things after the _*_counsel_*_ of his own will"_ (Eph.1:11). So God - who, like us, is perfectly capable of communicating with himself - is both: (1) his own *counselor,* and (2) his own *counselee.*
Two ("us/our", Gen 1:26) who are one ("his/he", Gen.1:27).
@@jaredg5663 I don't have an opinion on the plural of majesty. I simply believe God communicates with *himself* [singular personal pronoun], and if *he* [singular personal pronoun] occasionally applies a _plural_ personal pronoun to *himself* [singular personal pronoun], that obviously wouldn't change the fact that *he* [singular personal pronoun] is a singular person.
I have no problem with "us/our" in Genesis 1:26. It would've been odd if God had said, "Let me make man in my image...".
@@euston2216 @euston2216 I see. But still it's strange because in Genesis 11:7 the Lord says "let us go down" to confound their language. This is in response of course to verses 3 and 4 where they say "let us make", "let us build". It's the same Hebrew construction for the Lord and for the men, but we wouldn't say it was only one man speaking and working. So I have a difficulty seeing the difference in 1:26 as well. But really hitting on the original question you put forth about Jesus as the only Saviour. Actually Scripture affirms the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as having part in our salvation. I could provide those refrences later if you want, but if I could focus on Genesis 3:8 for a moment. After they sinned it says, "and they heard the voice of the Lord God walking". Strange right? So the voice which ancient Jews spoke of as the "Memra" is not just an utterance but also an entity. The word is being spoken of as an actual agent. Furthermore, Isaiah the prophet uses similar language in Isa. 55:11. The word of the Lord goes forth, and doesn't return until it acomplishes its purpose. So it is inadequate to say the Word is only a personification. Jesus who is said to be the Word (John 1:1) took on flesh (1:14). So what we are, he took to himself completely while remaining who he has always been (not creating a third new nature or simply God in an outer human body). The Father purposed our salvation by sending his only begotten Son. The Son accomplishes our salvation by his blood, and the Holy Ghost applies that salvation to us by convicting of sin, new birth, regeneration. So for man the only way to the Father is through the Son, because he took on our nature and therefore can be the only mediator between God and man (having both natures). But to say the Father is only a fictional character or The Son is speaking to himself like in Genesis, I can't agree with friend.
No trinity exists, the trinity is just a CONVENTIONAL (i.e. false) doctrine issued by two CONVENTIONS of the fourth century. It's directly debunked by Jesus, who is the directly concerned Witness-Person. Contrary to the doctrine He reiterates dozens of times to be ONLY WITH THE FATHER, not with TWO Persons! One person too many: due to a misunderstanding of the gospels, a non-existing third divine person has been INVENTED by the bishops of the Conventions. Jesus tells you that ONLY THE FATHER IS INSIDE HIM But that FATHER IS A SPIRIT (no doubt, see Jn. 4:23,24). Thus ONLY ONE SPIRIT WHO IS THE FATHER is inside Jesus. Contrary to the trinity doctrine, "Holy Spirit" and "Father (who is a spirit)" are not TWO Spirits inside Jesus. They are just two EQUIVALENT NAMES for the same Spirit. Simply the Father is also called "Holy Spirit" by Jesus. He is the SAME ONE Spirit that before led Jesus into the desert and later also helped Him when speaking. In a sermon Jesus talks about the TWO blasphemies against Himself and against the Father (i.e. the Holy Spirit), no third blasphemy exists because no third person exists.
@@user-ri6tc2gi5k Please be polite, yes, I agree that you are correct, but you do not add encouragement or inspiration. People cannot even describe or explain their own self-consciousness, thus their pronouncements on anything higher are usually pathetic. So if you understand the subject, help others, rather then just kicking them in the head. I know it is beyond me so I cannot help. Please list good books, etc., so that we can learn. Best regards.
@@LaMOi1 Unfortunately the verse quoted by you Mt 28:18 has been forged by the catholic church in an attempt to give the trinity a biblical basis, because the trinity is NOWHERE suggested in the scriptures. The correct wording is: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all the nations IN MY NAME," See Eusebius of Caesarea (p.152 THE PROOF OF THE GOSPEL Bk. III, verse 132). Peter accordingly baptized in the name of Jesus “Repent and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the forgiveness of your sins.". Why insist on defending a theory when it is ABSOLUTELY SURE that such a theory is false? You can produce various arguments in support of that theory, but you have a MAJOR WITNESS that removes ALL DOUBT as to what the TRUTH is! If a triune God existed, Jesus would say over and over again "I am with the Father and the Holy Spirit" "I am with the Father and the Lord who gives life" "I am with the Father and the Comforter" "God is triune". But on the contrary that NEVER HAPPENS in four gospels. Jesus crystal clear says and reiterates that HE IS ONLY WITH THE FATHER "I am in the Father and the Father in me". I.e. God is made by Father and Son. PERIOD. So it is most certain that NO TRIUNE GOD EXISTS: Jesus' TESTIMONY PREVAILS over stray arguments and the matter is set for good !!!!!!!! The trinity theory is thus false, no THIRD divine person can exist. Since in His sermon on the two blasphemies (Mt. 12:32) Jesus stresses the importance of the Holy Spirit, this automatically means that the Holy Spirit is a DIVINE PERSON, or rather, a DIVINE SPIRIT. However, from what above you know that it's impossible the Holy Spirit be a THIRD divine spirit, He cannot be the Spirit of a THIRD Person. Indeed the Holy Spirit (aka Spirit of God) is the Spirit of.....God (almighty). He is the Spirit of the FIRST Person.
@@claudiozanella256 No… firstly, I’m not catholic. Secondly, it’s an important point, that Jesus commands his disciples to baptise in the name of the Father and of the son and the Holy Spirit. Firstly, you have to ask what is the significance of using all three names there..? And also the significance noted further on in acts were the disciples baptised in the name of Jesus only. This can be explained, because in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the godhead. Also, it’s worth pointing out that when Jesus talks about his relationship with the father, absolutely, he talks of them being one and their unity. Trinitarian are often confused with Tritheists. We don’t believe in three gods. Also, when Seraphim, praise God in Isaiah six, “holy holy holy is the Lord God Almighty” Why are the three? In Hebrew emphasis is twice. It’s not three. Is there an echo in heaven? But you know what, I wouldn’t waste too much time brother on debating people on TH-cam comment section. Triune God, I feel is clearly seen in scripture. I’m not a modalist like you. Or a Binitarian? But the reality is, is that you’re not sure of your position. I get that. But you’re not gonna find what you’re looking for by going to war in the comment section. Nobody writes the kind of long replies you write, they almost look copy and pasted from previous debates… and you’ve clearly sought this video out about the Trinity, being fully convinced it’s a false doctrine and then you write your lengthy comments. Why? On the surface that just seems like a waste of time. You’re obviously not gonna convince the whole world to your held beliefs. No. This seems to me like a man desperately battling their own doubts No one strives to convince others, and take such efforts unless they’re really battling themselves. I do hope you will find peace, in the truth, the only truth.
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Only one GOD.
*True or False:* There is only one Saviour, and JESUS is that one and only Saviour.
If the answer is True (which it is), then the "First Person of the Trinity" is *not* the Saviour, and the "Third Person of the Trinity" is *not* the Saviour. But the "First Person of the Trinity" and the "Third Person of the Trinity" - along with the "Second Person of the Trinity" - are fictional characters, so of course "they" cannot save anyone.
There is only one Saviour - the _unipersonal_ GOD - who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested himself on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, so that he could lay down his own life for us. And the name of this _unipersonal_ GOD is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
So why did God say in Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image"?. Who was he communicating with? (Genesis is the first book of the Bible)
@@jaredg5663
In the very next verse, we see that _"God created man in _*_his_*_ own image, in the image of God created _*_he_*_ him; male and female created _*_he_*_ them."_ So according to Genesis 1:27, God created man *by himself,* which means he was communicating *_with_** himself* in Genesis 1:26.
God _"[works] all things after the _*_counsel_*_ of his own will"_ (Eph.1:11). So God - who, like us, is perfectly capable of communicating with himself - is both: (1) his own *counselor,* and (2) his own *counselee.*
Two ("us/our", Gen 1:26) who are one ("his/he", Gen.1:27).
@@euston2216 intresting take. So do you believe the "us" language is a Plural of Majesty?
@@jaredg5663
I don't have an opinion on the plural of majesty. I simply believe God communicates with *himself* [singular personal pronoun], and if *he* [singular personal pronoun] occasionally applies a _plural_ personal pronoun to *himself* [singular personal pronoun], that obviously wouldn't change the fact that *he* [singular personal pronoun] is a singular person.
I have no problem with "us/our" in Genesis 1:26. It would've been odd if God had said, "Let me make man in my image...".
@@euston2216 @euston2216 I see. But still it's strange because in Genesis 11:7 the Lord says "let us go down" to confound their language. This is in response of course to verses 3 and 4 where they say "let us make", "let us build". It's the same Hebrew construction for the Lord and for the men, but we wouldn't say it was only one man speaking and working.
So I have a difficulty seeing the difference in 1:26 as well.
But really hitting on the original question you put forth about Jesus as the only Saviour. Actually Scripture affirms the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as having part in our salvation. I could provide those refrences later if you want, but if I could focus on Genesis 3:8 for a moment. After they sinned it says, "and they heard the voice of the Lord God walking". Strange right? So the voice which ancient Jews spoke of as the "Memra" is not just an utterance but also an entity. The word is being spoken of as an actual agent.
Furthermore, Isaiah the prophet uses similar language in Isa. 55:11. The word of the Lord goes forth, and doesn't return until it acomplishes its purpose. So it is inadequate to say the Word is only a personification.
Jesus who is said to be the Word (John 1:1) took on flesh (1:14). So what we are, he took to himself completely while remaining who he has always been (not creating a third new nature or simply God in an outer human body). The Father purposed our salvation by sending his only begotten Son. The Son accomplishes our salvation by his blood, and the Holy Ghost applies that salvation to us by convicting of sin, new birth, regeneration. So for man the only way to the Father is through the Son, because he took on our nature and therefore can be the only mediator between God and man (having both natures). But to say the Father is only a fictional character or The Son is speaking to himself like in Genesis, I can't agree with friend.
No trinity exists, the trinity is just a CONVENTIONAL (i.e. false) doctrine issued by two CONVENTIONS of the fourth century. It's directly debunked by Jesus, who is the directly concerned Witness-Person. Contrary to the doctrine He reiterates dozens of times to be ONLY WITH THE FATHER, not with TWO Persons! One person too many: due to a misunderstanding of the gospels, a non-existing third divine person has been INVENTED by the bishops of the Conventions.
Jesus tells you that ONLY THE FATHER IS INSIDE HIM
But that FATHER IS A SPIRIT (no doubt, see Jn. 4:23,24).
Thus ONLY ONE SPIRIT WHO IS THE FATHER is inside Jesus.
Contrary to the trinity doctrine, "Holy Spirit" and "Father (who is a spirit)" are not TWO Spirits inside Jesus. They are just two EQUIVALENT NAMES for the same Spirit. Simply the Father is also called "Holy Spirit" by Jesus.
He is the SAME ONE Spirit that before led Jesus into the desert and later also helped Him when speaking.
In a sermon Jesus talks about the TWO blasphemies against Himself and against the Father (i.e. the Holy Spirit), no third blasphemy exists because no third person exists.
Don’t try to teach what you don’t understand.
@@user-ri6tc2gi5k Please be polite, yes, I agree that you are correct, but you do not add encouragement or inspiration. People cannot even describe or explain their own self-consciousness, thus their pronouncements on anything higher are usually pathetic. So if you understand the subject, help others, rather then just kicking them in the head. I know it is beyond me so I cannot help. Please list good books, etc., so that we can learn. Best regards.
Nonsense.
Baptise in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
@@LaMOi1
Unfortunately the verse quoted by you Mt 28:18 has been forged by the catholic church in an attempt to give the trinity a biblical basis, because the trinity is NOWHERE suggested in the scriptures. The correct wording is: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all the nations IN MY NAME,"
See Eusebius of Caesarea (p.152 THE PROOF OF THE GOSPEL Bk. III, verse 132).
Peter accordingly baptized in the name of Jesus “Repent and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the forgiveness of your sins.".
Why insist on defending a theory when it is ABSOLUTELY SURE that such a theory is false? You can produce various arguments in support of that theory, but you have a MAJOR WITNESS that removes ALL DOUBT as to what the TRUTH is! If a triune God existed, Jesus would say over and over again "I am with the Father and the Holy Spirit" "I am with the Father and the Lord who gives life" "I am with the Father and the Comforter" "God is triune". But on the contrary that NEVER HAPPENS in four gospels. Jesus crystal clear says and reiterates that HE IS ONLY WITH THE FATHER "I am in the Father and the Father in me". I.e. God is made by Father and Son. PERIOD. So it is most certain that NO TRIUNE GOD EXISTS: Jesus' TESTIMONY PREVAILS over stray arguments and the matter is set for good !!!!!!!!
The trinity theory is thus false, no THIRD divine person can exist.
Since in His sermon on the two blasphemies (Mt. 12:32) Jesus stresses the importance of the Holy Spirit, this automatically means that the Holy Spirit is a DIVINE PERSON, or rather, a DIVINE SPIRIT. However, from what above you know that it's impossible the Holy Spirit be a THIRD divine spirit, He cannot be the Spirit of a THIRD Person. Indeed the Holy Spirit (aka Spirit of God) is the Spirit of.....God (almighty). He is the Spirit of the FIRST Person.
@@claudiozanella256
No… firstly, I’m not catholic.
Secondly, it’s an important point, that Jesus commands his disciples to baptise in the name of the Father and of the son and the Holy Spirit.
Firstly, you have to ask what is the significance of using all three names there..?
And also the significance noted further on in acts were the disciples baptised in the name of Jesus only.
This can be explained, because in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the godhead.
Also, it’s worth pointing out that when Jesus talks about his relationship with the father, absolutely, he talks of them being one and their unity.
Trinitarian are often confused with Tritheists. We don’t believe in three gods.
Also, when Seraphim, praise God in Isaiah six, “holy holy holy is the Lord God Almighty”
Why are the three? In Hebrew emphasis is twice. It’s not three. Is there an echo in heaven?
But you know what, I wouldn’t waste too much time brother on debating people on TH-cam comment section.
Triune God, I feel is clearly seen in scripture.
I’m not a modalist like you. Or a Binitarian?
But the reality is, is that you’re not sure of your position. I get that.
But you’re not gonna find what you’re looking for by going to war in the comment section.
Nobody writes the kind of long replies you write, they almost look copy and pasted from previous debates… and you’ve clearly sought this video out about the Trinity, being fully convinced it’s a false doctrine and then you write your lengthy comments. Why? On the surface that just seems like a waste of time. You’re obviously not gonna convince the whole world to your held beliefs.
No. This seems to me like a man desperately battling their own doubts
No one strives to convince others, and take such efforts unless they’re really battling themselves.
I do hope you will find peace, in the truth, the only truth.