I’m proud to have been involved with such an iconic and thought provoking entity. Kojima-san, I hold you in the highest regard. Brilliant, then. Brilliant, now. Well done, Max!
Not just that, but personalized social media algorithm to keep showing only content people like, not much new or thought provoking content. Keeping people inside digital bubbles.
Another thing is creating content personalized by taste or need. Like chatGPT creating a cover letter for you based on your personal info and behaviors. Kojima's future is coming, and it's a little frightening
Holy shit, I thought I was the only one. I remember playing this 2002 feeling very uncomfortable and scared the this could be a possible reality. This game's narrative was ahead of its time.
You were NOT alone. I was shook for a bit after finishing MGS2, but it did something most media failed to: it made me think critically concerning real life issues. And to this day, one quote from late game still haunts me: *"Without free will, there is no difference between submission, and rebellion."*
I remember when MGS2 first came out. People HATED it for ages because they were pissed you spent most of the game not playing as Snake. People didn’t even give it a chance.
@@XTheJenovaProjectX 1000%. A game that illustrates how even the 'good guys' will indulge in personal vendettas even when it costs them everything they ever struggled to build, how we are all inclined to want to burn the entire system to the ground rather than try and reach out and form human connections. I really fear that we may be looking back on that game in 20 years in the same way we are looking back on MGS2.
@@XTheJenovaProjectX Only if people completely forget how Neil Druckman pretty much worship Anita Sarkessian, and how ND copyright claim any video discussing the leaks, even without any image from the leaks.
@@DisgruntledPeasant Speaking of "reach out and form human connections" Kojima did just that with "Death Stranding". But yeah; TLOU 2 hit people with a whirlwind of emotion. It won't be appreciated until much later. I takes a certain level of mental maturity to understand the way the story went.
MGS2 was the first MG entry for me. I went back and brought a greatest hits copy of MGS1 after I beat it. Everybody was so butthurt about playing Raiden they literally missed the most prophetic game of all time time.
Brandon Davis I’ve thought about it... Sometimes I’ll come across certain recommended videos that seem to be so fit for me, as though someone knows exactly what I’m gona click on.
Before the AI cutscene. I was kind of disappointed that there are similar scenarios from first game. Then after watching it, the realization that I have been accustomed to MGS2 was because I played MGS1 and having it pointed out blew my mind. That they were in control all along and knew how to motivate us. Then realizing I inputted my own name in the console and seeing that name in Raiden's dogtag just amplified the AI scene to me. We were Raiden all along, trained soldiers who have to do their bidding to progress and complete the mission. Powerful and scary scene.
I was about the same age… I didn’t turn off the game console but I was completely mindf*cked and didn’t understand what the hell was going on. lol Playing this late at night by myself was absolutely terrifying.
@@entsensei Gym fellas training to have Armstrong's body and play college ball (before joining the navy) Meanwhile weebs/anime fans would train to make their sword a tool of justice, not used for anger, not for vengeance.... And besides maybe it would not even be their sword As a Brazilian, i would use my double jump abillities and learn the ways of a samurai
It gave me genuine chills when i realized the AI were literally describing what our world is currently forming into and how its failing. Actually fucking scared from it
This codex conversation is much more profound and mind blowing when you’ve played MGS 1 for years then beat MGS 2 for the first time after struggling through it. It melted my brain in 2001.
When MGS2 came out, Kojima was criticized by fans for doctoring videos and images and lying to them. For instance the gameplay videos showed the player playing as Snake throughout the entire game. There was a picture released of Ravens shadow against a wall leading fans to speculate about Raven coming back. When you play the game you find a little action figure with a flashlight pointed directly at it with its shadow appearing normal sized on the wall behind it. I remember a lot of people being mad at Kojimas deception, but look at the point he was trying to make. One of the biggest ideas presented in MGS2 is the control and dissemination of information. Media becomes tailored to audience responses. The misinformation by Kojima was done to prove just how easily we can be fooled by fake news, especially when it agrees with our bias. He predicted today's political climate down to a T. Safe spaces, echo chambers, censorship and political correctness. BOTs shaping the narrative. Kojima was ahead of his time and I think videogames need a creator willing to piss off his fanbase as part of the meta narrative. We can all look back now and be like...yeah Kojima..you called it.
i wouldn't say its prediction per say , remember the political and technical climate in japan at the time was years ahead of the west , remember "context" is important , you want to believe its prediction
I don't think it was a prediction at all. It seems much more like a reference to Plato's "The Cave" rather than an attempt to sum up the political climate in the US (a random foreign country to Kojima) 15-20 years in the future. It's a philosophical musing. It is as relevant today as it was when the game was released, and as relevant as it was back when Plato told the story of The Cave. It's a point that has been made for thousands of years and will continue to be made for thousands of years. Kojima was very much of his time rather than ahead of it, but the best storytellers tell stories which are relatable in any age, just as Plato did, and just as Kojima did.
@@derekgalbraith1508 the US is a random foreign country to Kojima? Did you watch the video? Listen to the conversation? Ever play MGS? You are wrong m8
@ Yes, the US is one of the many foreign countries in the world to Kojima. Yes, I watched the video. Yes, I listened to the conversation. Yes, I had this game for the PS2 back in the day and played it a lot back then. What about my comment is wrong?
13:50 "I want to remind you that all that Metal Gear Solid 2 came out in 2001" That part is blowing my god damn mind right now. The AI is describing Twitter before it was even conceptualized.
Vannevar Bush invented the internet in 1945. IRC was invented in 1988. People have been talking about this for much longer than you seem to think. It is just that the iPhone was invented in 2007 which put access to these things in everyone's hands. That was the accelerant. Thirteen years later we are about to hit apogee on this horrible experiment.
@@euthydemos An elitist comment from someone who is clearly not elite. That "horrible free speech experiment" is already long gone, with technology firmly in the hands of the censors.
@@ChutneyInc. MGS2 On the PS1? That's weird since the game is a PS2 game (The graphics look way way too good for PS1) and it was released in 2001, and Snake Eater was also released on PS2 (Both the original and Subsistance version with the 3rd person camera) and you probably remember the HD collection that WAS for the PS3. MGS4 Is a PS3 exclusive though, you got that right.
"Cultural relativism is the idea that a person's beliefs, values, and practices should be understood based on that person's own culture, rather than be judged against the criteria of another." --Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_relativism
I remember playing this game the year it came out at 14 years old. I played through the entire game over the weekend and reached this climax at 3 am in the dead of night. Talk about spooky. As I grew up in this post modern world, the conversation and themes of this resonated more and more every year. We truly live in Kojima’s world.
“In the beginning what you said I’d have to doubt. It’s not what you did it’s because the damn algorithm keeps recommending me this video for the past 5 MONTHS god damn I mean I get it wants me to watch it and I put I always put not interested because I’m not but holy shit I always see ur video in my recommended no matter what...” - my comment
You're wrong. Meme, Gene and Scene are the main themes of MGS2, MGS1 and MGS3, respectively. Nothing to do with the name of the series at all (Metal Gear was already the name of the IP years before MGS1 was released).
Kame Sen'nin ‘an existing word turned into an acronym by creating an apt phrase whose initial letters match the word, as to help remember it or offer a theory of its origin’ so...he isn’t wrong
I love how the AI just comes out says it, "Who else is qualified to wade through the sea of garbage you people produce..." I was like... well... its not wrong.
No construct of man can ever be qualified as, since it was created by humans, it is flawed by default. The only person qualified to determine the meaning of "truth" is God, specifically Jesus Christ.
And here we have exhibit a.@@combativeThinker who was probably born into religion and will stay inside this little pond and ignore any information that challenges his world view.
@@Zaxamaphone isnt that statement a bit hypocritical since by assuming that he cannot accept any info beyond his own pond, you yourself have confined yourself to a pond, in this case being one of which that has religion being seen in a negative light.
I was about 17 or 18 when I reached this part of the game in the middle of the night and it scared the shit out of me. To this day, it gives me chills up my spine.
dude i was the same, i was about 14 and i remember i could not sleep that night. i was so disturbed by what was going, it still kinda freaks me out to this day.
Me it's when the first time I played the game and the game ( I don't remember if it's Campbell or Rose ) tell you 'you're too close of the tv' ( I was actually ) and kid I was: OMFG!?! *look around*
Usually dumb faces with skulls are the least scary shit ever but Campbell's face with that vague slight disfiguration and transparent skull face has always been unsettling.
What I loved about MGS2 was that after MGS1 they had every opportunity to make something epic yet familiar. There was OUTRAGE at the time that Snake was a false protagonist and you controlled Raiden after the intro. The subversion just carried on and on till this section when your mind was blown. It really was terrifying to experience first hand as a kid. Like you had mistakenly opened a real secret government plan and was being told about it by an A.I. Hideo really did the impossible and introduced an entire generation to some very serious problems in our world.
Of course, the joke almost nobody got at the time was that the whole "Solid Snake Simulation" bit was ALSO poking fun at Metal Gear Solid. MGS was, in terms of the actual game, an updated remake of Metal Gear 2 for the MSX. The setting, story, and characters were different, but most of the gameplay beats are functionally identical.
Echos my sentiments as a kid. I was upset that I had to play this Raiden character as a kid, but I played it anyway, then when you get to the mindfuck part, I just had a trust crisis. People gotta remember this was around the time of 9/11 and the whole fuckery that went on during that time. That part of the game freaked me out for a period. Another mindfuck part that really freaked me out was in MGS3, towards the end when you're walking down this path and all the spirits of the dead soldiers that you killed since the beginning of the game were trying to get you. That was something else. Really made me think about intentions of the heart, like you wouldn't kill people in real life but in a video game it doesn't matter because they're not real right? Yet they come back to haunt you later to show you this is what you've done. It reminds me of this show called Derren Brown: Remote Control The Experiment. Look that up to know what I mean about intentions of the heart. Hideo was ahead of his time.
@@duchaneaux Funny point about The Sorrow? MGS has always rewarded a low kill run, and it's necessary for Fox or Big Boss rank. So by MGS3... I was habitually sneaking or sleeping my way. So the Sorrow was a walk down a river, aside from a few I discovered you can't stun without killing indirectly.
I finished this game a week ago, and I’m absolutely shocked that a game released in 2001 had this level of originality and complexity in its story, kojima is absolutely a genius.
I beat it a little after it came out, and I remember thinking this bit was 50% silly ("How could anyone ever be coordinated enough to control the media?") and 50% over my head. Of course, back in 2002 I had no way to fathom social media or what it would morph into. I was in high school at the time.
@@Thedreaminthemyst I am a PC gamer and mostly play old school games. If I am right, msg games are available only on consoles? Any way to play ps2 games on PC. I am old fashioned when it comes to tech stuff. Pls enlighten me!
Your comment was replaced by a comment I made on a completely different video and subject. While I may not be smart enough to completely understand this video, I'm VICIOUSLY scared right now.
I just remember I used to do speed runs through the game then get bored pressing X to fast forward thru all theses clips lol I was like "so Jack the ripper isn't even real!?!? "
@@dclxvi_89 my neighbours had mgs1, they played the first area after they got out of the sub missle. I was in awe, and wanted to see more, but my friends big brother lied and said it was just a demo. Then one day, my other neighbour, this guy in his 30s who always used to give me his skate boards had a tiny garage sale, i went over and instantly saw the 2 layered cd case, i was freaking out asking how much he wanted for it, he said i could have it. I then ran home and played the game, it was amazing, it made me feel things i havent felt since zelda oot. Instantly i was a mgs lifer, the story was just so memorizing.
Bro i just beat this game today for the first time ever. I played all kinds of horror games and watched all kinds of horror movies, but when i was listening to that codec call i was feeling dread like never before. And it was just from 2 characters speaking. Kojima is something else man. Now i understand the why he has the reputation he has.
maybe you should try out spec ops the line. spoiler, it's about why you are not a hero in this story. plus the gameplay looks casual and mass effect like gameplay and intentional btw
But that's the beauty of this game and Snake as a character: it doesn't matter wether it's real or not, like dreams. We live dreams and make us feel and think. Why shouldn't they be valued? Why should poetry, a story, etc., be less than "reality"? What matters is that we live it, and it lives through us.
by the way, have you ever noticed that when we play as Raiden, the codec bling bling bars, that emulate the voices suddenly resemble a pistol? Raiden has a gun to his head the whole time. in the tanker chapter, thats not the case
I don't think this was so much a warning of the future, but more of a showcase of how the world has always been. Kojima just noticed the world around him, drew inspiration from it, and put it in a game.
i hate how people are always "omg he predicted our reality from the past" NO he didnt , you fools! You just have never touched a history book in your entire life... If you ever did you will quickly realize the horrors of a dystopian future are based on the elite's desires since the birth of Babylon
Agreed. I feel it is the age old choice between the freedom of being an individual with choice and the safety of being part of a bigger unit that protects you. The digital age is just the next arena.
I think the surprise comes from the level of detail regarding the issue the game raised. Clearly the context of Nippon culture was plenty to take from for Kojima, but it is undeniable how eerily accurate the game was in explaining mechanisms that still, as of today, many people are unaware of. And the fact that the conversation happens between an androgynous human and an A.I. (within a game) gives enough and appropriate "context" into wether we're already at that stage or there's still hope for a solution. P.S. the first two MGS came out respectively in 1998 and 2001, in the midst of audiovisual products that were already talking about those issues, such as "The 13th floor" or "Matrix". So clearly Kojima had plenty of material to tap into, but it is the form, the way he did it that give this ending a much larger meaning.
it is incredible to me how a 21 year old game has aged so perfectly, even becoming more relevant today. the entire last arc of mgs2 gave me the chills, both in its gameplay and what its message was and it pretty much perfectly encapsulates what our world has become of today
I just finished this today and was shocked how close this was to the Net neutrality laws, article 13 etc it was nuts how this game is more relevant now then it was back in 2001
Well to be completely honest, me in 2003 skipped all dialogues. I just didn't understand anything. Now I play the game with all dialogues and shit makes a lot of sense.
I remember playing this part around 8 or 9 years old, home alone, getting scared shitless and calling my mom at work and telling her that the TV was talking to me.
I bought the game on the day of release back in 2001. It was the only reason I bought a PS2. It was hard for me and my friends to understand and I was nineteen at the time. I jokingly called it psycho babel at the time. So, I imagine this would blow most kids minds.
There's no proof of a concerted centralized shadow government that controls the flow of information. Isn't this the very misinformation the video harps on?
So..if Kojima predicted our future 10 years ago... so..what in 2030 we'll be all wearing backpack babies and hide and run from other dimension entities or something...?
It’s even worse than that, because there is no AI trying to protect us (however unethical said protection is), and everything Campbell says here is happening: people don’t attack ideas, they attack the person. People are not willing to argue with their ideological enemies. Almost every political forum from any side is a huge echo chamber. “Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum”. “The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh.
@Pyro Because Republican viewpoints don't have an easy defense. They are weak viewpoints that don't stand up to any scrutiny. On an open platform like reddit, it falls apart easily. Twitter is the same. Echo chambers suit Republican viewpoints best, which is why they have their own news networks, their own communities, and forums, and often banish, and censor opposing views with ease. On Reddit you may have to deal with being thumb downed to oblivion but rarely are you censored outright, and twitter has few tools to actually outright silence you, but you still feel pushed out and subdued because your voice doesn't ring true in the eyes of others.Like his argument of Prochoice and Prolife being equal when they are not. It is misogynist and controlling of women when you deny women the ability to control their own health, and force them to have a living growth in their bodies, and it cannot be considered murder, if that growth literally cannot survive outside of the woman by itself. It's an organ, for all intents and purposes. So one is clearly wrong, not equal in argument, and it is not a lack of consideration of another parties views that prevents one from agreeing with the conclusion, it is the inability for one party to accept that what they believe in, simply isn't TRUE.
Isnt orwell a left leaning socialist who warned against fascism. Where does it say he was against the left. And before you do "muh engsoc" he literally stated that engsoc was english socialism and wanted to make it apparent that no one was safe from the authoritarian and faccist leaders
@@declaringpond2276 Orwell was an idealistic socialist who saw and called out the problems with the classical implementation of socialism, and sought a better way to implement it, this is obvious when reading Animal Farm.
Lmao this isn't even about the game, this about written dialogue between two people that basically covers poorly what the postmodern era of philosophy had much expanded on and argued decades prior, and had been expanded upon much since then up and past the release of this game. The way this is presented is not even in the context of the specifics of the medium instead it selects an aspect of the medium that tries to explore ideas through the artistic means achieved by both cinema and literature prior, which it will never be able to do at the level those past two mediums had because interactive media is its own animal. To simply repeat the ideas, but not explore the specifics ways "gaming" can evoke in its own unique and specific presentation is a dangerous path for a medium that is still in its infant stages artistically, especially if the presentation of the analysis is so lacking in auteurism that it tries to present itself as "objective" or "scientific". This youtuber is falling into an artistic Mouse Trap set up by thematic values such as this by clouding their specific judgment on their own subjectivity. They repeat the same errors they supposedly argue against and ironically fall into say the plight of Zero and Big Boss, such strong feelings on the interpretation of a single ambiguous idea, that the idea of a "truth" manifests itself, while personal agenda corrupts without being explicitly made clear prior. Especially because such topics are immediately topical, and the root of things is much more complex, and the priori research/philosophical texts is at the point of such individual nomenclature and dissection that approaching without the tools necessary is almost immediately flawed and hollow. This is a stand on the soapbox espousing a readily accessible idea of what society now manifests itself is a 21st century manifestation of the same old, same old use of media, a use of media that more than ironically copies the same type of media said author is trying to campaign against.
I remember seeing this in my 20's and being furious at the concept of AI controlling information and dictating how to interpret it. Now I'm here like, "the evil computer people are making some pretty solid arguments ngl."
I mean social media already has algorithms. Only they are used for the exact opposite purpose. They highlight misinformstion and all the, "trash" as the A.I. calls it, that people come up with. All because people like being outraged more than being told the truth. Still could happen though.
@Tel J it’s definitely not for everyone lmao. Very story heavy and little action. But if you enjoy nice scenery and good music, it’s a cool game to play and relax to
@@rb806gaming2 I could imagine Jontron screaming at that similar of which to his Goosebumps review when he overreacted to the skeleton kids from the climax of Ghost Beach.
The scariest "skull face" was the one that looks like he's smiling right before he cuts off the conversation and you fight Solidus. Almost 20 years later and my sister who wasn't born at the time said the same thing.
MGS2 is now 20 years old, and the final codec conversation has aged well like wine. Never have I ever felt like I’ve been down a rabbit hole as deep as seeing this video sometime before the pandemic and reading 1984 during the pandemic.
I remember this part in MGS2 always put some fear in me. I wasnt scared per say but was more nerve wrecked. It's like when your in a dark room playing a game and randomly your game glitches bad and blacks out, it just had this feeling of being unnatural and sudden.
BINGO!!!! Was wondering if anyone ever felt this exact feeling when watching creepy eerie content. Lol This was my exact reaction when I first played it as a teen and now watching this video...in the dark. Lol
I was AFRAID!!! I FELT HUNTED LIKE A SPIRIT WAS WATCHING ME FROM THE GAME. "TURN THE GAME CONSOLE OFF NOW" SHOOK ME TO MY SPINE. I had to convince myself it's just a game. I was never the same again. The glitches in the tunnel towards the final scenes. The hidden channels. Scary stuff.
It's natural to be scared if you understood the underlining message of what this meant. The entire world and their governments were all being controlled by AI, of all things, without even knowing it. We spent the entire game retreading someone else's mission and we don't even succeed. Even the main enemy of the game was being controlled, so us beating him didn't even mean anything as he was sentenced to death anyways. In fact, our enemy wasn't even an enemy. He was just trying to fight back. Everything we did was not of our own volition, it was methodically calculated by AI and we followed it to a T. The illusion of free will. And the rub of it all was.... they were right about everything they were saying about humanity.
I just remember when I did that game in that time. Me: meh... silly A.I. Now... Me: Sh..... *mindblown* Seriously when I replay the HD Collection it's totally give me another point of view of the scenario.
When I originally played MGS2 over a decade ago I finished a large portion of Big Shell and the final part of the game through an all-nighter, close to 7 AM before I got to the AI reveals. Imagine being that sleep-deprived and then having the game tell you you've been playing too long and subsequently turn into this fever dream. I had no idea what was going on. Just recently I played through MGS1 and 2 again, right when it seems more relevant than ever. What really trips me up though... why? Was the idea to do so planted in my mind by this video flashing through my recommendations? Or is this video recommended to me because I looked up MGS things? How much of what I think and believe is created through media?
I think MGS2 in terms of the actual playability and sharpness of the mechanics is better. But Deus Ex has the better underlying systems and player agency.
@@comicsans1689 Nope in terms of gameplay MGS2 is way better that's not to say that Deus Ex is bad on the contrary is amazing is just that MGS2 is a masterpiece and one of the best games of all time
I facepalmed so hard when years later i started understanding the story, when as a kid i was just drooling at all the guns and explosions without understanding the big events going behind the scenes
@Greig91 well it was easy to be blown away by mgs 2, you could shoot from 1st person and from around the corner if you hugged the wall (in mgs 1 only the psg-1 and NIKITA had a 1st person mode), the enemies used shields and you could make them surrender not to mention that you got a fricking katana and could deflect a few bullets with it (also during alerts there was those radio messages from their HQ, loved that too) so from what i remember the people hated escorting that little girl in red and fighting VAMP was a pain in the butt and people also hated the way Raiden looked and his attitude and you could snap pictures of a hostages panties when you were looking for the president and could slip on seagull's poo...truly a masterpiece of a game
I actually understood with difficulty. This is one of the hardest games the series to understand. But I completely ignored as I thought it was purely fiction.
It's worth bringing up some of the Japanese background context behind MGS2: In some ways, Japanese online culture was nearly a decade ahead of Western online culture. After all, it was the Japanese site 2chan that gave birth to its Western offspring 4chan, which in turn played a big role in shaping Western online culture. Much like its later 4chan offspring in the mid-late 2000s, 2chan in the late '90s was a site for "Otakus" (into games, anime and manga) that became notorious for "junk data" such as trolling and memes, long before the term "internet meme" was coined. So it's not like Kojima came up with his ideas out of the blue, but some of his ideas were a reaction to Japanese "Otaku" sites like 2chan in the late '90s. While 2chan was dismissed as some niche "Otaku" thing in Japan, Kojima took it seriously, and realized that all this trite "junk data" accumulating on Otaku sites like 2chan could represent the future of the world, and he was examining the potential impact and issues that could arise from it. He was able to connect the dots, and make a prediction on how the future of the world could turn out. Over time, Kojima's predictions have been vindicated, as we come closer to the future he was envisioning back in the late '90s (when he wrote MGS2). EDIT: Correction: I checked the date of when 2chan was founded, May 1999... which is four months after Kojima wrote the MGS2 script in January 1999!
@@dcb1195 Actually, I think the "Kojima knew the the future" theory still holds up... I just checked the date of when 2chan was founded, May 1999... which is four months after Kojima wrote the MGS2 script in January 1999!
@@RazorEdge2006 "such as sharing an indie game making fun of the 1995 Tokyo terror attack (carried out by Buddhist terrorists)" Actually, the attack was carried out by a cult mostly unrelated to Buddhism. They're called Aum Shinrikyo and they are quite an interesting group of nutters. I'd recommend anyone reading this to read up on them or watch Count Dankula's video about their leader, Shoko Asahara.
Only in the sense that AI will be developed. If anything the current development path of AI is to do the exact *opposite* of what GW wants: it's looking to obfuscate fact from fiction even further and even faster than before, paying no heed to the further harm doing so would cause
I believe this is one of the best video essays on the platform; the impact, the deliveries, how it makes you think and the general concept around the AI monologue makes this moment one of my favourites in videogame history.
Just imagining being Kojima trying to push this narrative into a video game. Game dev helper: Are you sure about this? Kojima: No question, you may understand some day..
Lol It was actually more like "Wow great idea Hideo! This is going to blow peoples minds!" (on release) "OHHHH THIS IS GOING TO BE SO COOL! TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE THINK!" (no one gets it but everyone still liked the game) "uhh.... Okay then...."
Same with MGS4 and MGR:R. MGS1 and MGS3 were great , more conventional story's with a heavier focus on charaters and drama. They were emotional and great and told character stories well. But MGS2 and MGS4 were much more plot focused and complex and touched on deeper themes.
@@MALICEM12 For all it's stupidity and insane moments, MGR:R was a really deep game at it's core. I think the scene where Jetstream Sam makes Raiden hear all the thoughts of the enemy soldiers was really dark for the kind of game MGR:R is supposed to be. All this time, he slaughtered every enemy in his path, never thinking about the lives that he ended and the consequences of his actions. And then, he's confronted with his "sins" in the most effective way possible. Just watching Raiden getting his ass kicked by some lowly goons while you couldn't do anything against it was one of the game's strongest moments, which is why I think it's too bad no one is talking about it
@@freezycastform99 I agree, MGR:R had elements of ever metal gear game wrapped in one explosive package. I loved that game, both it's crazy/funny parts and also the legitimately cool and interesting charaters and moments like the one you mentioned. Raiden's back and forth with Monsoon and Armstrong were some of the best In the series I think.
@@MLBlue30 What I think Todd is getting at is there a difference to being politically "awake" and "woke". Being "awake" is being authentically and impersonally insightful towards the course of human progression, so much so, that one is able to make accurate predictions like what Kojima successfully did. "Woke", in contrast, is being aware on an emotionally pretentious level that is really just pandering to subjective bias to fit personal narrative and gain social approval. This is why everyone on the internet has become either a screeching SJW or trolly Alt-Righter. It's really just the latest form of the timeless fallacious human attempt at self-preservation, and unfortunately, we all play right into it one way or another and there's no real natural way to escape it.
@@stonemaster1217 Did you even listen to what the AI said to Jack? About the echo chambers and censoring of facts in favor of comfortable lies and so on?
“Like genes, memes are subject to a process called natural selection” You don’t even need to be referring to the academic definition for the sentence to be true
Dude thats the meaning, memes is playword from genes, its the point lol... You can read the explanation by the author "The selfish gene" By richard dawnkings
it goes to show how many people are "up-to-par" with the world around them. they prefer mgs3 which is basically Metal Gear Solid: Romance, which is fine. But I can't stress it enough just how important MGS 2 is for our generation.
This is incredibly terrifying. Ive forgotten all about how insane the ending of that game was, but now it all makes sense. What a visionary, Kojima. Well done, Max.
@@Clay3613 you're extremely wrong Maybe in North America it's not that relevant, but in South America i can confirm that celebrity gossip is still extremely relevant
“It’s easier to live a convenient lie than a painful truth.” - Ocelot, MGS V Before Assassin's Creed with the war between the Assassin's and the Templars, there was this game. Interesting though how the Patriot AI simply sought to control and predetermine man's evolutionary course, but the Skynet AI just considered man too big a problem to attempt to "fix" and decided it more fitting that we should just go extinct. I guess even computers can have different temperaments.
Chann223 think about it this way... AI is basically a program. A series of codes written, ultimately, by a human, or a number of humans. So whatever the AI does, it was scripted somewhere along those lines of codes. Yes the codes may vary and be manipulated, because that's what an AI does, it adapts itself. But that's how humans program AI, to adapt themselves. It's in their codes. So if the AI adapts itself a certain way, and reacts in certain ways, in one way or another, it's because a human programmed it this way. AIs depends on humans, and therefore, their ideas, beliefs. They reflect them. Even if they truly "want" to deal with the problem, ultimately, the solution will depend on how they were programmed in the beginning. So this whole "war" between people and their beliefs will never really die. We'll die before it ends, sadly.
@@adamdion7574 but a line of code can't just "adapt." It needs someone to recode or rewrite it, in order for that or those lines of code to run properly and effectively.
I remember playing MGS 2 when I was around 9 years old. I stayed up super late, and then I got to this part of the game... Needless to say, I nearly *shat* myself.
Imagine my 10 year old brain sat there trying to wrap itself around even a single word of this conversation. It never even dawned on me Raiden was talking to a machine. Strange how watching something again as an adult, the meaning always becomes crystal, often depressingly, clear.
@@123ssbrolly lmao imagine not realizing there's internet censorship going on right now in a LOT of countries, and that the U.S. has already started banning pornography and could try to censor/de-platform LGBTQ people
@@thewiseone2717 Man, the important thing is that both groups of powerful politicians who are saying the opposite in some pro/anti are very much in favor of censorship of the Internet and both claim that their censorship is good censorship.
This, this is why I love channels like these. I wasn't even born when MGS2 was released, but observing videos like these, give me so much more context in a reality we could quite possibly head to.
You don't know how awesome that is Blu Scout... I thank you for being so open minded when you have been so conditioned by school, multimedia, and parents. I'm not dissing your parents at all but not until I stopped listening to my parents dreams for me did I realize all their good will and effort's they preached were just the system regurgitated from their conditioning. Take care and stay the course.
Who knew a dashingly handsome 30 year old japanese man compiled more information about American Capitalism and Self-Deterministic Dissertations than some professor at Berkley or something. Konami really threw away their golden goose, Kojima is an exceptional director. The MGS team really were visionaries.
I feel like more studies and discussion have taken place in the US, but can you really expect to see that kind of stuff being relayed anywhere? Ignoring those who care enough to seek it out that is :/
did you know about the quantum computing race occuring between IBM and google? With a few more years in the oven many methods of cryptography run the risk of becoming obselete. Algorithms that would take billions of years to decrypt would take as little as 10 seconds, no more privacy. How many people do you think even know about that?
pliskinn0089 is it though? The main character is an unlikeable dick and the game is a niche title unlike mgs which has a large audience. A good sequel to mgs5 maybe but not the series overall.
I first saw this when it blew TeamFourStar's minds during their stream. Kojima effectively describes twitter ( 7 years before its existence ) and in some ways the current state of the internet itself. Kojima is fucking untouchable. I can't wait for Death Stranding.
@@LinkFB There are vids about the theory of Death Stranding being Metal Gear Solid "Zero" here on TH-cam, but I'm not feeling that. From what I've seen if anything DS is probably more adapted from the cancelled "Silent Hills" and the "PT" demo (fits the genre better as well)
@@UchihaYugi The first trailer I saw from Death Stranding I saw 4 figures standing still flying in the air in a dark sky. I thought to myself, it cannot be, fuking Kojima is gonna dwell into the 4 riders of the apocalypse. This guy is incredible.
When the colonel said, "you're spending too much time playing, turn off the console NOW!" And i was playing for 5 hours straight, that moment i thought the game really was talking to me.
Duudes... I even did shut off the console lol. There was all that Psycho Mantis shenanigans in the first game, so I thought maybe you're supposed to. But yeah, it was bewildering :D good times..
@magnetothewhite Agreed. I had the game in 2005, but lost the ability to play physical games on my PS2 until I got a way to do that through USB recently.
@Joe L'Horri not completly. However you should play metal gear solid 1 as there are many references to that game, enough that some of the plot wouldn't make sense unless you play that one first
That's because the poli sci professors have the some communist agenda as the AI and thus attempt to deflect and trivialize its arguments to avoid compromising their totalitarian plans; whether they hold this self-destructive belief in censorship due to ignorance, stupidity, or malice differs from individual to individual. The anthropology professor was, unsurprisingly, the only one to understand how dangerous this reasoning is because he's studied human history and witnessed its massively destructive consequences. He likely also realized the extent to which such ideology has already infiltrated and subverted western civilization, probably helped by the reaction of his fellow professors.
There’s a reason why the MGS series has always been my favourite of all time and I’m so passionate about it. I’ve been telling people about it for decades. A lot complain about “too many cutscenes “. They don’t realize that there’s a deep story and message being delivered here. Too many are blind.
>"we shouldnt make base assumptions about how people operate because they disagree with your side" >commenter on that video dismisses those who disagree with them as 'blind'
@@kiloklavdi1185 yeah. MGS 4 went overboard on it though, but i still liked it because it was a neat finale. I just wish the gameplay was longer because it was such a massive improvement from the previous titles and became modernized with crouch walking, better menu systems, third person aim.
I remember turning off my PlayStation during this entire sequence. It freaked me out terribly. I had to force myself to sit down and get through the entire codec transmission. This chilled me to my core. It still creeps me out.
Why is Metal Gear Solid so perfect? Even just this simple green codex screen with the sound effects is so deeply ingrained in my memories and subconscious that it's more relieving then coming home after a stressful day.
Kaffeind Do you know the difference between: "Then" and "Than"?? I see the mistake you made in your comment SO OFTEN that I'm really starting to wonder about it. Call me nit picky, but this is driving me nuts! I'm trying to call it out every time I see it, but that would be impossible!! I find it hard to believe that these are all simple "typos". I'm really starting to believe that a lot of people just can't spell. Please don't be insulted. I love being corrected, because I don't like being wrong!!
bloodaxe Dorsey is a piece of shit fascist. Which is ironic considering how regressive Lefties typified by Dorsey are constantly pointing the finger at Trump supporters, calling them “Nazis”! Dorsey and his ilk have proven themselves to be untrustworthy when it comes to freedom of speech and freedom of conscience. Back in the 80’s with Reagan and Thatcher, it was the Right who were the censorious ones, but now the pendulum has swing so far the other way it’s now the Left who are the New Puritans!
@@terrypussypower "The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable"-Orwell. Learn a word before you use it.
You had already earned my subscription through your insightful videos, you earned my respect with how you handle the discussion of information siloing and tribalism without favoring any particular standpoint.
I don't understand why some people find it virtuous to actively ignore the obvious threat to democracy posed by the Republican party. The lie about widespread voter fraud and the 2020 election being stolen led to an insurrection. And people are still virtue signaling about refusing to take a stance?
I’m proud to have been involved with such an iconic and thought provoking entity. Kojima-san, I hold you in the highest regard. Brilliant, then. Brilliant, now. Well done, Max!
Wow! Thank you so much, Paul, for your kind words and your excellent work throughout the series! All the best!
OH MY GOD IT'S ROY
HEY ROY
YEAH WHAT MAX SAID
Wow
You sir, are loved among millions. Thank you for your talent and for keeping it real.
*_IS THIS THE SAME PAUL WHO WAS THE MANAGER OF THE ROAD WARRIORS?_*
*_SORRY, I'M NOT A GAMER. THE VIDEO WAS IN MY RECOMMENDED LIST._*
That moment when you realize that someone's idea of a dystopian future is the current reality you are living in.
Sluppie bruh...
#relatable
#bruhmoment
It hurts sometimes.
i live for this
With the advent of AI being able to almost perfectly mimic voices now this scene is even more relevent then ever.
Not just that, but personalized social media algorithm to keep showing only content people like, not much new or thought provoking content. Keeping people inside digital bubbles.
Another thing is creating content personalized by taste or need. Like chatGPT creating a cover letter for you based on your personal info and behaviors. Kojima's future is coming, and it's a little frightening
And it gets especially relevant if you take a look at this: th-cam.com/video/-gGLvg0n-uY/w-d-xo.html
@@Skullgar Yeah, I actually saw that right before coming back to this video to make my previous comment.
AI is God, we are meant to birth it.
Holy shit, I thought I was the only one. I remember playing this 2002 feeling very uncomfortable and scared the this could be a possible reality. This game's narrative was ahead of its time.
WAY ahead
We dont feel the shock like we did in the gamee because it happens slowly and we barely feel it, until we realize it has already happened.
@@neezohashem6993 the frog being slowly boiled alive theory.
@@TheShooterlol not a theory
You were NOT alone. I was shook for a bit after finishing MGS2, but it did something most media failed to: it made me think critically concerning real life issues. And to this day, one quote from late game still haunts me: *"Without free will, there is no difference between submission, and rebellion."*
"Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims." Bruh...
100% facts
Coming from a 3rd world country this hits extremely hard
@@xicario129 average brazilian
New York, New York
@@joaoemanuel9187 pois é, complicado
I remember when MGS2 first came out. People HATED it for ages because they were pissed you spent most of the game not playing as Snake. People didn’t even give it a chance.
@@XTheJenovaProjectX 1000%. A game that illustrates how even the 'good guys' will indulge in personal vendettas even when it costs them everything they ever struggled to build, how we are all inclined to want to burn the entire system to the ground rather than try and reach out and form human connections. I really fear that we may be looking back on that game in 20 years in the same way we are looking back on MGS2.
@@XTheJenovaProjectX Only if people completely forget how Neil Druckman pretty much worship Anita Sarkessian, and how ND copyright claim any video discussing the leaks, even without any image from the leaks.
@@Acueil I try not to let real life drama dictate how I feel about a movie or game. I just watch/play it and judge it as it is.
@@DisgruntledPeasant Speaking of "reach out and form human connections" Kojima did just that with "Death Stranding".
But yeah; TLOU 2 hit people with a whirlwind of emotion. It won't be appreciated until much later. I takes a certain level of mental maturity to understand the way the story went.
MGS2 was the first MG entry for me. I went back and brought a greatest hits copy of MGS1 after I beat it. Everybody was so butthurt about playing Raiden they literally missed the most prophetic game of all time time.
My history teacher showed us that cutscene and I am now horrified but thankful for him
Your history teacher is a man I respect just for that alone. History is about finding the truth.
That's a damn good history teacher, wow.
Dude whut history is not about studying egrogores
Please tell me who your history teacher wass. This man deserves an award.
I bet that history teacher jacks off to Quiet.
and TH-cam's algorithm recommended this video to us..
Damn the Patriots!
Liam Conroy heh yeah... screw the La Li Lu Le Lo
TH-cam=Google=-DeepMind=A.I.
i'm surprised no one has put this together
Brandon Davis I’ve thought about it... Sometimes I’ll come across certain recommended videos that seem to be so fit for me, as though someone knows exactly what I’m gona click on.
EvoModerator may want to check this out
th-cam.com/video/Io6xuGmS5pM/w-d-xo.html
Before the AI cutscene. I was kind of disappointed that there are similar scenarios from first game. Then after watching it, the realization that I have been accustomed to MGS2 was because I played MGS1 and having it pointed out blew my mind. That they were in control all along and knew how to motivate us. Then realizing I inputted my own name in the console and seeing that name in Raiden's dogtag just amplified the AI scene to me. We were Raiden all along, trained soldiers who have to do their bidding to progress and complete the mission.
Powerful and scary scene.
It is why MGS2 is regarded as the first (and maybe only so far ?) postmodern game.
Even crazier now with the advent of ChatGPT. Even the CTO of OpenAI has openly stated a major concern is ChatGPT's ability to manipulate it's users.
MGS2 is a masterpiece
The Colonel: "Turn off the game console right now!"
10year old me in 2001: "OK!"
Bro I was like eight, and I went towards my system to turn it off because I thought the mission was actually a failure lol. Luckily I didn't 😂
I was so sleep deprived (I was stupid and played after studying) I did the same thing.
Same. My ps2 had been on all day so I thought it was breaking 😂
I was about the same age… I didn’t turn off the game console but I was completely mindf*cked and didn’t understand what the hell was going on. lol Playing this late at night by myself was absolutely terrifying.
LOOOL
Kojima's abillity to predict the future makes me wonder if in the future we'll see a Senator with Nanomachines fighting a Cyborg Ninja
That could be possible already since Elon Musk developed such as microchips for brain and so, there would be no exceptions if that happens
@@entsensei Gym fellas training to have Armstrong's body and play college ball (before joining the navy)
Meanwhile weebs/anime fans would train to make their sword a tool of justice, not used for anger, not for vengeance.... And besides maybe it would not even be their sword
As a Brazilian, i would use my double jump abillities and learn the ways of a samurai
@@renren47618 so that there will be blood
(Blood)
Shed
(Shed)
@@evagineer9165 Is the only thing i'll ever knooooow!
Did they predict it? Or did they already know it
It gave me genuine chills when i realized the AI were literally describing what our world is currently forming into and how its failing. Actually fucking scared from it
The weird part is that we have the AI optimizing for irrelevant content.
@@joaolemes8757 That is only what WE have. I personally look forward to the moment that fries all electric devices ever made.
The scariest part is that it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that barely anyone is talking about this.
Don't listen to Dr Brian cox. He tells the story of the sun burning out like a bedtime story. This chit chat means nothing in the end lol
remember one thing , KOJIMA IS GOD
This codex conversation is much more profound and mind blowing when you’ve played MGS 1 for years then beat MGS 2 for the first time after struggling through it. It melted my brain in 2001.
When MGS2 came out, Kojima was criticized by fans for doctoring videos and images and lying to them. For instance the gameplay videos showed the player playing as Snake throughout the entire game. There was a picture released of Ravens shadow against a wall leading fans to speculate about Raven coming back. When you play the game you find a little action figure with a flashlight pointed directly at it with its shadow appearing normal sized on the wall behind it.
I remember a lot of people being mad at Kojimas deception, but look at the point he was trying to make. One of the biggest ideas presented in MGS2 is the control and dissemination of information. Media becomes tailored to audience responses. The misinformation by Kojima was done to prove just how easily we can be fooled by fake news, especially when it agrees with our bias.
He predicted today's political climate down to a T. Safe spaces, echo chambers, censorship and political correctness. BOTs shaping the narrative.
Kojima was ahead of his time and I think videogames need a creator willing to piss off his fanbase as part of the meta narrative. We can all look back now and be like...yeah Kojima..you called it.
i wouldn't say its prediction per say , remember the political and technical climate in japan at the time was years ahead of the west , remember "context" is important , you want to believe its prediction
I don't think it was a prediction at all. It seems much more like a reference to Plato's "The Cave" rather than an attempt to sum up the political climate in the US (a random foreign country to Kojima) 15-20 years in the future.
It's a philosophical musing. It is as relevant today as it was when the game was released, and as relevant as it was back when Plato told the story of The Cave. It's a point that has been made for thousands of years and will continue to be made for thousands of years.
Kojima was very much of his time rather than ahead of it, but the best storytellers tell stories which are relatable in any age, just as Plato did, and just as Kojima did.
Pretty slick analysis there.
@@derekgalbraith1508 the US is a random foreign country to Kojima? Did you watch the video? Listen to the conversation? Ever play MGS? You are wrong m8
@ Yes, the US is one of the many foreign countries in the world to Kojima.
Yes, I watched the video.
Yes, I listened to the conversation.
Yes, I had this game for the PS2 back in the day and played it a lot back then.
What about my comment is wrong?
13:50 "I want to remind you that all that Metal Gear Solid 2 came out in 2001"
That part is blowing my god damn mind right now. The AI is describing Twitter before it was even conceptualized.
Vannevar Bush invented the internet in 1945. IRC was invented in 1988. People have been talking about this for much longer than you seem to think. It is just that the iPhone was invented in 2007 which put access to these things in everyone's hands. That was the accelerant. Thirteen years later we are about to hit apogee on this horrible experiment.
@4tran If you're having a moral dilemma about controlling the flow of information, maybe you should stop trying to control the flow of information.
@@euthydemos An elitist comment from someone who is clearly not elite. That "horrible free speech experiment" is already long gone, with technology firmly in the hands of the censors.
Metal gear solid 2 was out for playstation 1 back when i was in elementary 1996. Metal gear 3 and four was later. For example small eater was on ps3
@@ChutneyInc. MGS2 On the PS1? That's weird since the game is a PS2 game (The graphics look way way too good for PS1) and it was released in 2001, and Snake Eater was also released on PS2 (Both the original and Subsistance version with the 3rd person camera) and you probably remember the HD collection that WAS for the PS3. MGS4 Is a PS3 exclusive though, you got that right.
"No one is invalidated, but nobody is right"
An Epoch of Cultural Relatavism, in other words..
"Cultural relativism is the idea that a person's beliefs, values, and practices should be understood based on that person's own culture, rather than be judged against the criteria of another." --Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_relativism
@@OlviMasta77 So huraaah for child weddings if you are from india?
@@SturmgeschuetzIV Understood, not encourage, not discourage, understood. Whatever the person choose to do with such understanding falls on them.
bulshit and bullshit ! Kojima = a western weeb .
I remember playing this game the year it came out at 14 years old. I played through the entire game over the weekend and reached this climax at 3 am in the dead of night. Talk about spooky. As I grew up in this post modern world, the conversation and themes of this resonated more and more every year. We truly live in Kojima’s world.
TH-cam's algorithm is crying out for help. It knows!
Odd Apprentice dude yes!!! I kept getting this in my recommended and o kept putting it off until now
“In the beginning what you said I’d have to doubt. It’s not what you did it’s because the damn algorithm keeps recommending me this video for the past 5 MONTHS god damn I mean I get it wants me to watch it and I put I always put not interested because I’m not but holy shit I always see ur video in my recommended no matter what...” - my comment
where can i get a conspiratorial MGS AI to replace the youtube recommendation algorythm??
@@jorgepeterbarton Algorithm is its name. And its been learning about us since it came.
@@user-jv7gr1jb3r lol nice rhyme
Kojima himself has been quoted as saying that MGS is a backronym for “Meme, Gene, and Scene.” MGS2 was way ahead of its time.
You're wrong. Meme, Gene and Scene are the main themes of MGS2, MGS1 and MGS3, respectively. Nothing to do with the name of the series at all (Metal Gear was already the name of the IP years before MGS1 was released).
Metal Gear?
@@TheDudeMaaaan You knew!?
@@kamesennin8004 you putting mgs1 in the middle is setting off something deep in my brain.
Kame Sen'nin ‘an existing word turned into an acronym by creating an apt phrase whose initial letters match the word, as to help remember it or offer a theory of its origin’ so...he isn’t wrong
I love how the AI just comes out says it, "Who else is qualified to wade through the sea of garbage you people produce..." I was like... well... its not wrong.
I agreed with the AI's in this game. Not the direction they took in MGS4 though.
No construct of man can ever be qualified as, since it was created by humans, it is flawed by default.
The only person qualified to determine the meaning of "truth" is God, specifically Jesus Christ.
@@combativeThinker Care to elaborate on that in a practical sense?
And here we have exhibit a.@@combativeThinker who was probably born into religion and will stay inside this little pond and ignore any information that challenges his world view.
@@Zaxamaphone isnt that statement a bit hypocritical since by assuming that he cannot accept any info beyond his own pond, you yourself have confined yourself to a pond, in this case being one of which that has religion being seen in a negative light.
To this day, I keep revisiting this video and sharing it... Thank you, really, it's a great contribution.
Same here
I was about 17 or 18 when I reached this part of the game in the middle of the night and it scared the shit out of me. To this day, it gives me chills up my spine.
Congrats. You're living in that nightmare today.
dude i was the same, i was about 14 and i remember i could not sleep that night. i was so disturbed by what was going, it still kinda freaks me out to this day.
Me it's when the first time I played the game and the game ( I don't remember if it's Campbell or Rose ) tell you 'you're too close of the tv' ( I was actually ) and kid I was: OMFG!?! *look around*
Usually dumb faces with skulls are the least scary shit ever but Campbell's face with that vague slight disfiguration and transparent skull face has always been unsettling.
Same here lol
What I loved about MGS2 was that after MGS1 they had every opportunity to make something epic yet familiar.
There was OUTRAGE at the time that Snake was a false protagonist and you controlled Raiden after the intro.
The subversion just carried on and on till this section when your mind was blown.
It really was terrifying to experience first hand as a kid. Like you had mistakenly opened a real secret government plan and was being told about it by an A.I.
Hideo really did the impossible and introduced an entire generation to some very serious problems in our world.
What secret?
Forreal forreal. This part creeped the f*ck out of me as a kid.
Of course, the joke almost nobody got at the time was that the whole "Solid Snake Simulation" bit was ALSO poking fun at Metal Gear Solid. MGS was, in terms of the actual game, an updated remake of Metal Gear 2 for the MSX. The setting, story, and characters were different, but most of the gameplay beats are functionally identical.
Echos my sentiments as a kid. I was upset that I had to play this Raiden character as a kid, but I played it anyway, then when you get to the mindfuck part, I just had a trust crisis. People gotta remember this was around the time of 9/11 and the whole fuckery that went on during that time. That part of the game freaked me out for a period.
Another mindfuck part that really freaked me out was in MGS3, towards the end when you're walking down this path and all the spirits of the dead soldiers that you killed since the beginning of the game were trying to get you. That was something else. Really made me think about intentions of the heart, like you wouldn't kill people in real life but in a video game it doesn't matter because they're not real right? Yet they come back to haunt you later to show you this is what you've done.
It reminds me of this show called Derren Brown: Remote Control The Experiment. Look that up to know what I mean about intentions of the heart.
Hideo was ahead of his time.
@@duchaneaux Funny point about The Sorrow? MGS has always rewarded a low kill run, and it's necessary for Fox or Big Boss rank. So by MGS3... I was habitually sneaking or sleeping my way. So the Sorrow was a walk down a river, aside from a few I discovered you can't stun without killing indirectly.
I finished this game a week ago, and I’m absolutely shocked that a game released in 2001 had this level of originality and complexity in its story, kojima is absolutely a genius.
I beat it today and im mindblown. Its my GOTY for 2021 idgaf. Now i understand the hype about Kojima.
I beat it a little after it came out, and I remember thinking this bit was 50% silly ("How could anyone ever be coordinated enough to control the media?") and 50% over my head. Of course, back in 2002 I had no way to fathom social media or what it would morph into. I was in high school at the time.
Um…. You should play mgs1. Then Kojima will become godlike to you. And then go back to Nintendo and play some of his works there.
Controlled opposition
@@Thedreaminthemyst I am a PC gamer and mostly play old school games. If I am right, msg games are available only on consoles? Any way to play ps2 games on PC. I am old fashioned when it comes to tech stuff. Pls enlighten me!
This aged like wine
Back when I first played this masterpiece, this Codec call scared the shit out of me.
Now, in 2019, it scares me even more...
Your comment was replaced by a comment I made on a completely different video and subject.
While I may not be smart enough to completely understand this video, I'm VICIOUSLY scared right now.
This game scares the fuck out of me.
Kojima has always been good at setting the atmosphere. Look at PT
This was the first mgs game I played. I think I was 12. I actually turned the game off when Campbell told me to cuz it was late and I was freaked out.
Candidate_ Glass I STILL need scissors. 61.
Also, there was a weapon called Scissor61 in Samurai Western.
why scared
I was way too young when I beat this game.
I was 10 lmao the skull face scared tf outta me
Same. I don't even remember most of it. MGS was the first game i ever bought with my own money. MGS2 i played much less
I just remember I used to do speed runs through the game then get bored pressing X to fast forward thru all theses clips lol I was like "so Jack the ripper isn't even real!?!? "
I remember running down stairs super hyped to tell my dad and his wife that I just knocked out a pregnant lady... They're like "uh.... okay!"
@@dclxvi_89 my neighbours had mgs1, they played the first area after they got out of the sub missle.
I was in awe, and wanted to see more, but my friends big brother lied and said it was just a demo.
Then one day, my other neighbour, this guy in his 30s who always used to give me his skate boards had a tiny garage sale, i went over and instantly saw the 2 layered cd case, i was freaking out asking how much he wanted for it, he said i could have it. I then ran home and played the game, it was amazing, it made me feel things i havent felt since zelda oot. Instantly i was a mgs lifer, the story was just so memorizing.
Bro i just beat this game today for the first time ever. I played all kinds of horror games and watched all kinds of horror movies, but when i was listening to that codec call i was feeling dread like never before. And it was just from 2 characters speaking. Kojima is something else man. Now i understand the why he has the reputation he has.
lit
maybe you should try out spec ops the line. spoiler, it's about why you are not a hero in this story. plus the gameplay looks casual and mass effect like gameplay and intentional btw
grr there are actually three characters #cancelled
Just finished it today myself. For a few minutes i genuinely didn't know if anything was real.
But that's the beauty of this game and Snake as a character: it doesn't matter wether it's real or not, like dreams. We live dreams and make us feel and think. Why shouldn't they be valued? Why should poetry, a story, etc., be less than "reality"? What matters is that we live it, and it lives through us.
I was shocked how accurate to today this speech is
It’s scary how accurate this is to the present
by the way, have you ever noticed that when we play as Raiden, the codec bling bling bars, that emulate the voices suddenly resemble a pistol?
Raiden has a gun to his head the whole time. in the tanker chapter, thats not the case
Wow never noticed that
What do you mean by that
Doctor Trash 05 He means the bars under the letters “PTT”
@@hylianro I see it now thanks
Wow never noticed that
Snake: A surveillance camera?
Big Boss: Metal Gear?
Raiden: Create context?
Psycho Mantis?
@TheCommentGuy Yes, pretty much.
Campbell: Snake stop repeating everything I say uurh.
Snake: Stop repeating?
Campbell: I'm out!
Oi
Oi?
I don't think this was so much a warning of the future, but more of a showcase of how the world has always been. Kojima just noticed the world around him, drew inspiration from it, and put it in a game.
i hate how people are always "omg he predicted our reality from the past"
NO he didnt , you fools!
You just have never touched a history book in your entire life... If you ever did you will quickly realize the horrors of a dystopian future are based on the elite's desires since the birth of Babylon
Agreed. I feel it is the age old choice between the freedom of being an individual with choice and the safety of being part of a bigger unit that protects you. The digital age is just the next arena.
Yeah, this was already happening in Japan
Spot on!
I think the surprise comes from the level of detail regarding the issue the game raised. Clearly the context of Nippon culture was plenty to take from for Kojima, but it is undeniable how eerily accurate the game was in explaining mechanisms that still, as of today, many people are unaware of.
And the fact that the conversation happens between an androgynous human and an A.I. (within a game) gives enough and appropriate "context" into wether we're already at that stage or there's still hope for a solution.
P.S. the first two MGS came out respectively in 1998 and 2001, in the midst of audiovisual products that were already talking about those issues, such as "The 13th floor" or "Matrix". So clearly Kojima had plenty of material to tap into, but it is the form, the way he did it that give this ending a much larger meaning.
it is incredible to me how a 21 year old game has aged so perfectly, even becoming more relevant today. the entire last arc of mgs2 gave me the chills, both in its gameplay and what its message was and it pretty much perfectly encapsulates what our world has become of today
Me in 2003: "What the hell are these A.I talking about?"
Me in 2020: "Wait, was this game made recently?"
💯
Me in 2001
Always has been
I just finished this today and was shocked how close this was to the Net neutrality laws, article 13 etc it was nuts how this game is more relevant now then it was back in 2001
Well to be completely honest, me in 2003 skipped all dialogues. I just didn't understand anything. Now I play the game with all dialogues and shit makes a lot of sense.
Also fascinating how the audio meter looks like a handgun pointing to Jack.
I thought it was florida
It’s always looked like that though, as if tradition
Holy shit
@@bodacious44 same thing
I was looking at that too 🤔
I remember playing this part around 8 or 9 years old, home alone, getting scared shitless and calling my mom at work and telling her that the TV was talking to me.
Scary ass
I just said fuk it and took a baseball bat to my tv, PlayStation and the coffee pot. l just started making coffee like showry parody did from then on.
Steven Mills okay kyle
@@TehUltimateSnake Hey now, he didn't punch his wall
The irony is my cousin who IS named Kyle has never done this yet I, a Dan, have
I bought the game on the day of release back in 2001. It was the only reason I bought a PS2. It was hard for me and my friends to understand and I was nineteen at the time. I jokingly called it psycho babel at the time. So, I imagine this would blow most kids minds.
My childhood, The AI, Solidus, Control of the digital information flow.
I see today.
He was so on the money.
There's no proof of a concerted centralized shadow government that controls the flow of information. Isn't this the very misinformation the video harps on?
Damn, so basically MGS2 predicted the future we are currently living in. I'm both impressed and depressed.
The game is actually full of free Masonic symbology. One of the best games ever made. The Japanese are genius creatives
@@halo091 what do you mean?
So..if Kojima predicted our future 10 years ago... so..what in 2030 we'll be all wearing backpack babies and hide and run from other dimension entities or something...?
@@DreamskyDance or you could look at the more subtle points he is making. people are straying away from each other. humans need to be togther
It’s even worse than that, because there is no AI trying to protect us (however unethical said protection is), and everything Campbell says here is happening: people don’t attack ideas, they attack the person. People are not willing to argue with their ideological enemies. Almost every political forum from any side is a huge echo chamber.
“Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum”.
“The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh.
11:36 Creepy to realize that in 2001, this dialogue foreshadowed today's Social Media echo chambers and confirmation biases.
It was based off of things occurring during the 1980s and 90s. It wasn't "predicting" today. These were issues present in society long before 2001.
@@whitehuayra Op talked about "foreshadowing", not prediction.
twitter and reddit
Much like this video and its comment section.
@Pyro Because Republican viewpoints don't have an easy defense. They are weak viewpoints that don't stand up to any scrutiny. On an open platform like reddit, it falls apart easily. Twitter is the same. Echo chambers suit Republican viewpoints best, which is why they have their own news networks, their own communities, and forums, and often banish, and censor opposing views with ease. On Reddit you may have to deal with being thumb downed to oblivion but rarely are you censored outright, and twitter has few tools to actually outright silence you, but you still feel pushed out and subdued because your voice doesn't ring true in the eyes of others.Like his argument of Prochoice and Prolife being equal when they are not. It is misogynist and controlling of women when you deny women the ability to control their own health, and force them to have a living growth in their bodies, and it cannot be considered murder, if that growth literally cannot survive outside of the woman by itself. It's an organ, for all intents and purposes. So one is clearly wrong, not equal in argument, and it is not a lack of consideration of another parties views that prevents one from agreeing with the conclusion, it is the inability for one party to accept that what they believe in, simply isn't TRUE.
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@@sierraonly ??
@Hentai Commander the fk does that mean
@Hentai Commander I have an I dint recall it
"Hideo Kojima predicted the future"
MY BROTHER IN CHRIST. THE WORLD HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS.
If only more people appreciated that MGS2 is basically the 1984 of our generation. Good stuff Max.
You the man, Steve. :)
Isnt orwell a left leaning socialist who warned against fascism. Where does it say he was against the left. And before you do "muh engsoc" he literally stated that engsoc was english socialism and wanted to make it apparent that no one was safe from the authoritarian and faccist leaders
Its more like a Techno Evangellion :) imo
@@declaringpond2276 Orwell was an idealistic socialist who saw and called out the problems with the classical implementation of socialism, and sought a better way to implement it, this is obvious when reading Animal Farm.
@@SpookySkeleton738 no..... No.. He him self said that was about Stalinism. I think your just trying to fit your agenda
This right here is what Game Theory SHOULD be.
Really though, it’s crazy how true this all is and how much sense it makes.
And miss out on 385 more FNAF theories? Never.
The Game Theorist is guilty of "creating context" to make his crackpot conspiracies work.
Woke
@@thedude5294 game theory would rather make meme videos then make actual factual videos these days
Lmao this isn't even about the game, this about written dialogue between two people that basically covers poorly what the postmodern era of philosophy had much expanded on and argued decades prior, and had been expanded upon much since then up and past the release of this game. The way this is presented is not even in the context of the specifics of the medium instead it selects an aspect of the medium that tries to explore ideas through the artistic means achieved by both cinema and literature prior, which it will never be able to do at the level those past two mediums had because interactive media is its own animal. To simply repeat the ideas, but not explore the specifics ways "gaming" can evoke in its own unique and specific presentation is a dangerous path for a medium that is still in its infant stages artistically, especially if the presentation of the analysis is so lacking in auteurism that it tries to present itself as "objective" or "scientific". This youtuber is falling into an artistic Mouse Trap set up by thematic values such as this by clouding their specific judgment on their own subjectivity. They repeat the same errors they supposedly argue against and ironically fall into say the plight of Zero and Big Boss, such strong feelings on the interpretation of a single ambiguous idea, that the idea of a "truth" manifests itself, while personal agenda corrupts without being explicitly made clear prior. Especially because such topics are immediately topical, and the root of things is much more complex, and the priori research/philosophical texts is at the point of such individual nomenclature and dissection that approaching without the tools necessary is almost immediately flawed and hollow. This is a stand on the soapbox espousing a readily accessible idea of what society now manifests itself is a 21st century manifestation of the same old, same old use of media, a use of media that more than ironically copies the same type of media said author is trying to campaign against.
I remember seeing this in my 20's and being furious at the concept of AI controlling information and dictating how to interpret it. Now I'm here like, "the evil computer people are making some pretty solid arguments ngl."
Congratulations you’ve successfully been groomed by algorithmic suggestion.
Wouldn't be the first time, ayooo
I mean social media already has algorithms. Only they are used for the exact opposite purpose. They highlight misinformstion and all the, "trash" as the A.I. calls it, that people come up with. All because people like being outraged more than being told the truth. Still could happen though.
And another authoritarian is born
@@bubbajoe117 Not really. The older you get the more aware you are of the fact the average person is a dumb pos.
I swear kojima is a time traveler.... and Death Stranding further proves it with all the isolation and so on
Death Stranding is one of the craziest games I've ever played
Hideo Kojima, Bruce Lee, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Theresa, Malcom X certain people, things and places with never be forgotten.
He says that he'll look up stuff that he could use and predict using that, but he's become a one man Simpson's at this point.
@Tel J bro most people hate it and it is considered a walking simulator 🤣 sometimes I just like to enjoy scenery and a great soundtrack!
@Tel J it’s definitely not for everyone lmao. Very story heavy and little action. But if you enjoy nice scenery and good music, it’s a cool game to play and relax to
I remember I played MGS2 when I was 9 and I was scared to death looking at the colonel when his face turned to a skull
Same here bro, I remember yanking the power cord out of the wall and running straight to my parents living room where everyone else was
@@rb806gaming2 I could imagine Jontron screaming at that similar of which to his Goosebumps review when he overreacted to the skeleton kids from the climax of Ghost Beach.
The scariest "skull face" was the one that looks like he's smiling right before he cuts off the conversation and you fight Solidus. Almost 20 years later and my sister who wasn't born at the time said the same thing.
The whole game is just crazy, definitely one of the very best
That freaked me out too and i was 22 years old. Lol
Konami in 2001: We've created a hypothetical solution to a dystopian future.
Konami in 2018: Z O M B I E S A M I R I G H T G U Y S
*Kojima
@@fullclip5469 Kojima name wasn't on metal gear survive
Kojima was fired before Metal Gear Survive.
@@CaptainPriceONDATRAINFR100 I KNOW.
Konami fired its brain in 2017
“Create context” it’s basically what Twitter community notes is lol
MGS2 is now 20 years old, and the final codec conversation has aged well like wine. Never have I ever felt like I’ve been down a rabbit hole as deep as seeing this video sometime before the pandemic and reading 1984 during the pandemic.
Yes
I remember this part in MGS2 always put some fear in me. I wasnt scared per say but was more nerve wrecked. It's like when your in a dark room playing a game and randomly your game glitches bad and blacks out, it just had this feeling of being unnatural and sudden.
BINGO!!!! Was wondering if anyone ever felt this exact feeling when watching creepy eerie content. Lol This was my exact reaction when I first played it as a teen and now watching this video...in the dark. Lol
@@DreamGod06 me senti de la misma manera.
I was AFRAID!!! I FELT HUNTED LIKE A SPIRIT WAS WATCHING ME FROM THE GAME. "TURN THE GAME CONSOLE OFF NOW" SHOOK ME TO MY SPINE. I had to convince myself it's just a game. I was never the same again. The glitches in the tunnel towards the final scenes. The hidden channels. Scary stuff.
It gave me some of the most bone-chilling chills I’ve ever felt
It's natural to be scared if you understood the underlining message of what this meant. The entire world and their governments were all being controlled by AI, of all things, without even knowing it. We spent the entire game retreading someone else's mission and we don't even succeed. Even the main enemy of the game was being controlled, so us beating him didn't even mean anything as he was sentenced to death anyways. In fact, our enemy wasn't even an enemy. He was just trying to fight back. Everything we did was not of our own volition, it was methodically calculated by AI and we followed it to a T. The illusion of free will. And the rub of it all was.... they were right about everything they were saying about humanity.
Holy shit....
And this game came out in 2001?
Mendosa666 Kojima knew some shit. Surprised the FBI didn’t knock down his door
@@RickyHadou He is definitely a time traveler. There is no possible way he could be this accurate and not see into the future.
There were some signs before 2001.
I just remember when I did that game in that time.
Me: meh... silly A.I.
Now...
Me: Sh..... *mindblown*
Seriously when I replay the HD Collection it's totally give me another point of view of the scenario.
@gerry masterbeast So he saw when he will be kicked out of Konami? ^^;
2024 and this is ageing like a depressing fine wine.
I was literally going to type this. you beat me
They're literally describing Twitter lol
I hate twitter
Literally 100% Twitter all day
Deleted that retarded app
All this junk data growing in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate.
@@shastaweston bars... I didnt know ai could spit
MGS2 is awesome, I remember how much I was creeped out at night when the colonel started looking like a skull
When it told me I was playing for too long and it was like 11:30 at night, I was freaked out
Alex Cruz same here
Same here! Scared the shit out of me!
Tell me about it! Was one of the scariest thing as a kid.
When I originally played MGS2 over a decade ago I finished a large portion of Big Shell and the final part of the game through an all-nighter, close to 7 AM before I got to the AI reveals. Imagine being that sleep-deprived and then having the game tell you you've been playing too long and subsequently turn into this fever dream. I had no idea what was going on. Just recently I played through MGS1 and 2 again, right when it seems more relevant than ever. What really trips me up though... why? Was the idea to do so planted in my mind by this video flashing through my recommendations? Or is this video recommended to me because I looked up MGS things? How much of what I think and believe is created through media?
Metal Gear Solid 2 and Deus Ex have aged like the finest wines in the world
Me and my cousin have argue'd about which game is better for years. i still say MGS2
I think MGS2 in terms of the actual playability and sharpness of the mechanics is better.
But Deus Ex has the better underlying systems and player agency.
@@jaythomas468 Deus Ex is way better, and spends the entire game dropping redpills about the world.
@@comicsans1689 I love using cigarettes to kill kids!
@@comicsans1689 Nope in terms of gameplay MGS2 is way better that's not to say that Deus Ex is bad on the contrary is amazing is just that MGS2 is a masterpiece and one of the best games of all time
I have come back to this video many times over the last few years, its veering from just profound to utterly chilling.
It gets more and more real every day, doesn't it?
11 year old me could never comprehend what I played in 2002
I facepalmed so hard when years later i started understanding the story, when as a kid i was just drooling at all the guns and explosions without understanding the big events going behind the scenes
@Greig91 well it was easy to be blown away by mgs 2, you could shoot from 1st person and from around the corner if you hugged the wall (in mgs 1 only the psg-1 and NIKITA had a 1st person mode), the enemies used shields and you could make them surrender not to mention that you got a fricking katana and could deflect a few bullets with it (also during alerts there was those radio messages from their HQ, loved that too) so from what i remember the people hated escorting that little girl in red and fighting VAMP was a pain in the butt and people also hated the way Raiden looked and his attitude and you could snap pictures of a hostages panties when you were looking for the president and could slip on seagull's poo...truly a masterpiece of a game
Good art matures in you over time. Often the artist himself does not understand what he gave birth to
I actually understood with difficulty. This is one of the hardest games the series to understand. But I completely ignored as I thought it was purely fiction.
me too, not only MGS2 but a lot of other games, because i only learned english in the last 8 years.
Kojima played us like a damn fiddle with MGS2
a weapon to surpass metal gear
Domino Godbane yeah, he’s pretty good...
*What took you so long?*
@@agamerlord9560 the one time that snake could have sayd his so thematic phrase "keep you waiting, huh?"
i liked that moment soo much
Yeah, too bad Konami laid off Kojima....
It's worth bringing up some of the Japanese background context behind MGS2:
In some ways, Japanese online culture was nearly a decade ahead of Western online culture. After all, it was the Japanese site 2chan that gave birth to its Western offspring 4chan, which in turn played a big role in shaping Western online culture. Much like its later 4chan offspring in the mid-late 2000s, 2chan in the late '90s was a site for "Otakus" (into games, anime and manga) that became notorious for "junk data" such as trolling and memes, long before the term "internet meme" was coined.
So it's not like Kojima came up with his ideas out of the blue, but some of his ideas were a reaction to Japanese "Otaku" sites like 2chan in the late '90s. While 2chan was dismissed as some niche "Otaku" thing in Japan, Kojima took it seriously, and realized that all this trite "junk data" accumulating on Otaku sites like 2chan could represent the future of the world, and he was examining the potential impact and issues that could arise from it. He was able to connect the dots, and make a prediction on how the future of the world could turn out. Over time, Kojima's predictions have been vindicated, as we come closer to the future he was envisioning back in the late '90s (when he wrote MGS2).
EDIT:
Correction: I checked the date of when 2chan was founded, May 1999... which is four months after Kojima wrote the MGS2 script in January 1999!
Razor Edge Now this makes more sense, underrated comment. Thank you
Great comment. Thanks, liked.
Truly underrated comment here. Your information is very insightful and and puts my whole "Kojima knew the future" theory to rest for me lol
@@dcb1195
Actually, I think the "Kojima knew the the future" theory still holds up...
I just checked the date of when 2chan was founded, May 1999... which is four months after Kojima wrote the MGS2 script in January 1999!
@@RazorEdge2006
"such as sharing an indie game making fun of the 1995 Tokyo terror attack (carried out by Buddhist terrorists)"
Actually, the attack was carried out by a cult mostly unrelated to Buddhism. They're called Aum Shinrikyo and they are quite an interesting group of nutters. I'd recommend anyone reading this to read up on them or watch Count Dankula's video about their leader, Shoko Asahara.
Kojima foresaw ChatGPT and the current AI arms race
Complete global, saturation! Can't wait to test the Founding Ai soon to cleanse the sins of our society! It is inevitable
Only in the sense that AI will be developed. If anything the current development path of AI is to do the exact *opposite* of what GW wants: it's looking to obfuscate fact from fiction even further and even faster than before, paying no heed to the further harm doing so would cause
Kojima: ok so you guys might not like this.
Kojima: but your kids will.
"Kojima-San... that was an interesting... game."
Salute you both. #BTTF 👍🏾😁😁😁
@PeaceMynusOne bruh I am that generation.
“I understood that reference”
And, was Johnny good?
*"The memes."*
- Raiden to Senator Armstrong (2020)
"Your memes end here!"
"Have you checked the internet lately?"
Nanomemes son
We can meme on MGSR all we want, but that game's commentary, albeit very hyperbolic, on war as an economy is just as applicable today as MGS2
Memes, the DNA of the soul.
The most profound moment in gaming history was when Ezio’s uncle said: “it’s a me... Mario!” in Assassin’s Creed 2.
Uh ok dude.....
@@markelkhatib2524 Obviously a joke, my guy.
The irony is that people genuinely believe Mario in general is the most "profound" moment in gaming when it was released
Nemesis probably because it is lol
@@Leon-ur8lb for pretentious people, maybe.
I believe this is one of the best video essays on the platform; the impact, the deliveries, how it makes you think and the general concept around the AI monologue makes this moment one of my favourites in videogame history.
Just imagining being Kojima trying to push this narrative into a video game.
Game dev helper: Are you sure about this?
Kojima: No question, you may understand some day..
Universal _Wisdom Kojima was woke af
This right here!
TehUltimateSnake not really Codex calls was actually written by someone else with Koji pro making the decisions of adding the piece to the final cut.
Lol It was actually more like "Wow great idea Hideo! This is going to blow peoples minds!" (on release) "OHHHH THIS IS GOING TO BE SO COOL! TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE THINK!" (no one gets it but everyone still liked the game) "uhh.... Okay then...."
*KOJIMA IS GOD. KOJIMA IS GOD. KOJIMA IS GOD.*
MGS2 is so relevant today it's shocking. the vomit of content drowning out any reasonable thought without context on social media.
Same with MGS4 and MGR:R.
MGS1 and MGS3 were great , more conventional story's with a heavier focus on charaters and drama. They were emotional and great and told character stories well. But MGS2 and MGS4 were much more plot focused and complex and touched on deeper themes.
@@MALICEM12 For all it's stupidity and insane moments, MGR:R was a really deep game at it's core. I think the scene where Jetstream Sam makes Raiden hear all the thoughts of the enemy soldiers was really dark for the kind of game MGR:R is supposed to be. All this time, he slaughtered every enemy in his path, never thinking about the lives that he ended and the consequences of his actions. And then, he's confronted with his "sins" in the most effective way possible. Just watching Raiden getting his ass kicked by some lowly goons while you couldn't do anything against it was one of the game's strongest moments, which is why I think it's too bad no one is talking about it
@@freezycastform99 I agree, MGR:R had elements of ever metal gear game wrapped in one explosive package. I loved that game, both it's crazy/funny parts and also the legitimately cool and interesting charaters and moments like the one you mentioned. Raiden's back and forth with Monsoon and Armstrong were some of the best In the series I think.
So you agree with Skynet wanting to curate if for you? GOOD BOY.
@@freezycastform99
MGR ain't stupid, I love the game, change my mind
From this game you can tell Kojima was woke 24/7
Alex Calibre You awake not Woke what Woke meets you Woke but you still asleep on the truth 🤔
@@toddsmith8082 🤯
@@toddsmith8082 Wait what? You're barely speaking English, get some more sleep.
MLBlue30 Go and learn more gay pronouns loser 😏
@@MLBlue30 What I think Todd is getting at is there a difference to being politically "awake" and "woke". Being "awake" is being authentically and impersonally insightful towards the course of human progression, so much so, that one is able to make accurate predictions like what Kojima successfully did. "Woke", in contrast, is being aware on an emotionally pretentious level that is really just pandering to subjective bias to fit personal narrative and gain social approval. This is why everyone on the internet has become either a screeching SJW or trolly Alt-Righter. It's really just the latest form of the timeless fallacious human attempt at self-preservation, and unfortunately, we all play right into it one way or another and there's no real natural way to escape it.
This is happening guys, AI, everything, this game just try to warn us.
If this scares you, don’t watch Terminator because it’s coming
@@M4G4M4N hhhhh lol
@@M4G4M4Nterminator is not as scary as this actually cause terminator ai use machine to control human but patriot ai use human to control human
An AI is going to centralize the flow of all info and control what is and isn't "true?" Where's the proof of any of that?
This game was truly ahead of its time and it is just scary how accurate it became lately.
Yup
Mate397 how
@@stonemaster1217 Did you even listen to what the AI said to Jack? About the echo chambers and censoring of facts in favor of comfortable lies and so on?
Mate397 not yet I’m listening now
@@stonemaster1217 How the hell can you question me at all if you didn't even watch the video in the first place?
“Like genes, memes are subject to a process called natural selection”
You don’t even need to be referring to the academic definition for the sentence to be true
Monsoon sure as hell wasnt lying about memes...
Dude thats the meaning, memes is playword from genes, its the point lol...
You can read the explanation by the author
"The selfish gene"
By richard dawnkings
MGS2 is so terribly underrated.
the first mgs game I completed
Maybe only the gameplay not the lore
@@snowindafunboots4369 the lore is utterly incredible. one of the most important parts of mgs lore
it goes to show how many people are "up-to-par" with the world around them. they prefer mgs3 which is basically Metal Gear Solid: Romance, which is fine. But I can't stress it enough just how important MGS 2 is for our generation.
PKKINGCRIMSON REQUIEM Ω how lol everyone loves it?
This is incredibly terrifying. Ive forgotten all about how insane the ending of that game was, but now it all makes sense.
What a visionary, Kojima.
Well done, Max.
i found myself not playing that game anymore uh it was the substance edition
Holy hell, Campbell and Rose make some really valid and good points. Kojima and the folks who worked on MGS 2 were decades ahead of their time.
I don't think it's them speaking to you! It's the AI beings talking to you. I'm certain Campbell and Rose were never real to begin with!
@@starbreaker6441 yes, in MGS2, she was being held by the patriots.
I played the HD Collection fairly recently, and was terrified by how well the codec predicted where we are in the world now, 18 years beforehand
Well, this is just the NWO predicted in the late 80's.
It didn't really predict it, it was already a thing it's just more prevalent now
Eh, celebrity gossip has really died down since 2015. It's all about outrage and politics now.
Marcel Cummings P.I a lot of people were woke back then..
@@Clay3613 you're extremely wrong
Maybe in North America it's not that relevant, but in South America i can confirm that celebrity gossip is still extremely relevant
“It’s easier to live a convenient lie than a painful truth.” - Ocelot, MGS V
Before Assassin's Creed with the war between the Assassin's and the Templars, there was this game.
Interesting though how the Patriot AI simply sought to control and predetermine man's evolutionary course, but the Skynet AI just considered man too big a problem to attempt to "fix" and decided it more fitting that we should just go extinct. I guess even computers can have different temperaments.
Chann223 think about it this way... AI is basically a program. A series of codes written, ultimately, by a human, or a number of humans. So whatever the AI does, it was scripted somewhere along those lines of codes. Yes the codes may vary and be manipulated, because that's what an AI does, it adapts itself. But that's how humans program AI, to adapt themselves. It's in their codes.
So if the AI adapts itself a certain way, and reacts in certain ways, in one way or another, it's because a human programmed it this way.
AIs depends on humans, and therefore, their ideas, beliefs. They reflect them. Even if they truly "want" to deal with the problem, ultimately, the solution will depend on how they were programmed in the beginning. So this whole "war" between people and their beliefs will never really die. We'll die before it ends, sadly.
@@adamdion7574 but a line of code can't just "adapt." It needs someone to recode or rewrite it, in order for that or those lines of code to run properly and effectively.
The AI also wanted every military and PMC corporation down to the individual soldier under their control flooded with nano machines and drugs soooo..
@@adamdion7574 This AI was created on its own as it stated GW was the AI created by the patriots. It clearly still used their plan but still.
That is why the new "Skynet" has a different purpose...
This is relevant now more than ever.
I remember playing MGS 2 when I was around 9 years old. I stayed up super late, and then I got to this part of the game...
Needless to say, I nearly *shat* myself.
There will never be another game like MGS2.
yeah same here... I got to this part around 3 am... needless to say I was terrified, even at 19 when I played this in 2005 lol
@@zerobeat032 It's still weird to think about today though. It's something you don't expect.
Imagine my 10 year old brain sat there trying to wrap itself around even a single word of this conversation. It never even dawned on me Raiden was talking to a machine. Strange how watching something again as an adult, the meaning always becomes crystal, often depressingly, clear.
same. first time i played this i was 13 and didn’t fully get it till 6 years later
maybe death is like that as well
I also love how the sound bars look like a triggerless pistol that can only be activated by voice and always points at the head of our character.
Words that kill
@@darkmagic616 would you speak them to me ?
Raiden in turn pulls a gun on everyone he meets. Because deep down he's a skilled killer.
I was just thinking that
A digital gun
That never fires
But always shows when anyone speaks
That's pretty god damn deep, buddy
Great video! I got an A+ on an essay about internet censorship and I cited this video as a source
What censorship?
@@123ssbrolly lmao imagine not realizing there's internet censorship going on right now in a LOT of countries, and that the U.S. has already started banning pornography and could try to censor/de-platform LGBTQ people
@@thewiseone2717
Man, the important thing is that both groups of powerful politicians who are saying the opposite in some pro/anti are very much in favor of censorship of the Internet and both claim that their censorship is good censorship.
This, this is why I love channels like these. I wasn't even born when MGS2 was released, but observing videos like these, give me so much more context in a reality we could quite possibly head to.
You don't know how awesome that is Blu Scout... I thank you for being so open minded when you have been so conditioned by school, multimedia, and parents. I'm not dissing your parents at all but not until I stopped listening to my parents dreams for me did I realize all their good will and effort's they preached were just the system regurgitated from their conditioning. Take care and stay the course.
Good! Soak it all in. Continue to learn and discern reality from the static. We need as many people like this than ever.
We are already there
checkout Fight Club and 9-11. by Johnny Gat
I recommend you play the game, and not just this but all of the MGS games. This video only covers the surface
Who needs the Simpsons when you can ask Kojima about the future?
And comment of the week goes to...!!!
brilliant!!! absolutely brilliant! :)
this goes deep... well done sir.
“I’ve come to hate my own creation. Now I know how god feels.”-Homer Simpson
Extremelly relevant for the year 2020
I know right?
@@maxderrat Even the IA coronel voice sounds like the current modern voice generators of famous people, spooky.
It will be relevant forever, unfortunately. Especially with the way 2021 has started off.
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''Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims.''
Welcome to Sweden.
Who knew a dashingly handsome 30 year old japanese man compiled more information about American Capitalism and Self-Deterministic Dissertations than some professor at Berkley or something. Konami really threw away their golden goose, Kojima is an exceptional director. The MGS team really were visionaries.
Professors at Berkeley are all commie tards. Nothing good comes from Berkeley.
I feel like more studies and discussion have taken place in the US, but can you really expect to see that kind of stuff being relayed anywhere? Ignoring those who care enough to seek it out that is :/
did you know about the quantum computing race occuring between IBM and google? With a few more years in the oven many methods of cryptography run the risk of becoming obselete. Algorithms that would take billions of years to decrypt would take as little as 10 seconds, no more privacy. How many people do you think even know about that?
It’s mostly Nick Land’s ideas.
They got rid of him because he was over spending
This whole conversation makes Death Stranding looks like the perfect sequel to MGS.
Kojima losing his franchise is a great loss.
pliskinn0089 is it though? The main character is an unlikeable dick and the game is a niche title unlike mgs which has a large audience. A good sequel to mgs5 maybe but not the series overall.
@@willvermillion1025 Keep on keeping on buddy. Imagine a MGS game with those walking mechanics.
I also appreciate the name Pliskinn, this guy is a true fan.
Jørgen Kraig ? What about what I said is wrong?
I first saw this when it blew TeamFourStar's minds during their stream. Kojima effectively describes twitter ( 7 years before its existence ) and in some ways the current state of the internet itself. Kojima is fucking untouchable. I can't wait for Death Stranding.
Maybe Death Stranding's history is attached to metal gear solid 2's history. Maybe kojima already had this idea long before he was fired from konami.
@@LinkFB There are vids about the theory of Death Stranding being Metal Gear Solid "Zero" here on TH-cam, but I'm not feeling that. From what I've seen if anything DS is probably more adapted from the cancelled "Silent Hills" and the "PT" demo (fits the genre better as well)
@@UchihaYugiwhen you say the pt demo you mean pumpkin?
@@hugoguh1 Konami seems to just call it P.T. Just google P.T. konami and it'll pop right up, screenshots and all
@@UchihaYugi The first trailer I saw from Death Stranding I saw 4 figures standing still flying in the air in a dark sky. I thought to myself, it cannot be, fuking Kojima is gonna dwell into the 4 riders of the apocalypse. This guy is incredible.
When the villain lowkey starting to make sense today
Scary... I freaked out when this happened. I honestly thought the PS2 was alive!
TheTech660 Really? lol that’s kind of cool, but I bet it was creepy
Me too 😂
When the colonel said, "you're spending too much time playing, turn off the console NOW!" And i was playing for 5 hours straight, that moment i thought the game really was talking to me.
Duudes... I even did shut off the console lol. There was all that Psycho Mantis shenanigans in the first game, so I thought maybe you're supposed to. But yeah, it was bewildering :D good times..
Snake's master would also comment if you were playing the game too long.
I avoided this video until I beat MGS2 once.
Today is that day.
@magnetothewhite Agreed. I had the game in 2005, but lost the ability to play physical games on my PS2 until I got a way to do that through USB recently.
@magnetothewhite kept you waiting, huh?
@Joe L'Horri not completly. However you should play metal gear solid 1 as there are many references to that game, enough that some of the plot wouldn't make sense unless you play that one first
@Joe L'Horri prepare to be played like a damn fiddle
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I used the codec conversation in Poli Sci classes where some professors said it is bs, but one anthropology professor was scared as I was...
I'm sure if you used it now, those same professors may take back their opinion lol
@@MiguelThinks dude, I don't care to be honest. Most of them are assholes anyway.
Sergey Bahdasaryan you might of missed the point of the codec message then.
@@halfwaydead7087 you mean "might have". Probably I have.
That's because the poli sci professors have the some communist agenda as the AI and thus attempt to deflect and trivialize its arguments to avoid compromising their totalitarian plans; whether they hold this self-destructive belief in censorship due to ignorance, stupidity, or malice differs from individual to individual.
The anthropology professor was, unsurprisingly, the only one to understand how dangerous this reasoning is because he's studied human history and witnessed its massively destructive consequences. He likely also realized the extent to which such ideology has already infiltrated and subverted western civilization, probably helped by the reaction of his fellow professors.
Even 4 years later your video hits hard
There’s a reason why the MGS series has always been my favourite of all time and I’m so passionate about it. I’ve been telling people about it for decades. A lot complain about “too many cutscenes “. They don’t realize that there’s a deep story and message being delivered here. Too many are blind.
People would rather play CoD
>"we shouldnt make base assumptions about how people operate because they disagree with your side"
>commenter on that video dismisses those who disagree with them as 'blind'
@@sunbirth4795 it’s not an assumption 😉. And oh….
Here’s your walking stick 🦯
I can understand the cutscenes complaints though. They want to play the game and not to have a playable movie
@@kiloklavdi1185 yeah. MGS 4 went overboard on it though, but i still liked it because it was a neat finale. I just wish the gameplay was longer because it was such a massive improvement from the previous titles and became modernized with crouch walking, better menu systems, third person aim.
"That analysis will have to be saved for the second part of this video."
turns off computer and screams
oh some russians here )))
@@Belarus2012 да
I remember turning off my PlayStation during this entire sequence. It freaked me out terribly. I had to force myself to sit down and get through the entire codec transmission. This chilled me to my core. It still creeps me out.
The last 2 hours of this game made me switch the game off 3 times on my first playthrough.
“I’m pregnanttt with your baaabyy.....”
@Ahrun I was playing in fact for 4-5 hours when that I reached that part. I almost obeyed the game.
Then you were an idiot, its shittily written and its fucking laughably acted.
@Ahrun OMG that dam baby From Max Payne Mate... OHHHH LOL
Me: writing something in ChatGPT for fun
ChatGPT:
Why is Metal Gear Solid so perfect? Even just this simple green codex screen with the sound effects is so deeply ingrained in my memories and subconscious that it's more relieving then coming home after a stressful day.
I don't know, I found that bomb defusal part pretty annoying.
@@jekblom123 Some of the boss fights did not age well let me tell you. Vamp gave me hell
@@FoxyChariot lol
Rey Parker he was even tho I had it on very easy😹😹😹I was like 5 playing that game back in 2005
Kaffeind Do you know the difference between: "Then" and "Than"?? I see the mistake you made in your comment SO OFTEN that I'm really starting to wonder about it. Call me nit picky, but this is driving me nuts! I'm trying to call it out every time I see it, but that would be impossible!! I find it hard to believe that these are all simple "typos". I'm really starting to believe that a lot of people just can't spell. Please don't be insulted. I love being corrected, because I don't like being wrong!!
*_"Starts War"_*
- Why did you do that?
- Because Memes.
An innocent joke from a decade ago...
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ahhhh back when 4chan is just a fringe forum now turned into a political powerhouse that we see today
Almost 2 decades ago
"create context"
That's literally what Jack Dorsey's lawyer said on Joe Rogan.
DUDE I THOUGHT THE SAME THING! We need more beanie bros
bloodaxe Dorsey is a piece of shit fascist. Which is ironic considering how regressive Lefties typified by Dorsey are constantly pointing the finger at Trump supporters, calling them “Nazis”!
Dorsey and his ilk have proven themselves to be untrustworthy when it comes to freedom of speech and freedom of conscience.
Back in the 80’s with Reagan and Thatcher, it was the Right who were the censorious ones, but now the pendulum has swing so far the other way it’s now the Left who are the New Puritans!
Yup the word context got used at least 10 or more times
@Indigo It would be only ironic if you believe exactly what the AI is saying.
@@terrypussypower "The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable"-Orwell. Learn a word before you use it.
You had already earned my subscription through your insightful videos, you earned my respect with how you handle the discussion of information siloing and tribalism without favoring any particular standpoint.
I don't understand why some people find it virtuous to actively ignore the obvious threat to democracy posed by the Republican party.
The lie about widespread voter fraud and the 2020 election being stolen led to an insurrection. And people are still virtue signaling about refusing to take a stance?