I was thinking of that the whole episode long. ANY stable rocket needs a center of mass directk in the line of your thrust vector. That, or incredibly complex stabilization techniques ala SpaceX. Just looking at the steel beam on the grill, it's clear the team *tried*, but this is something that really could have used an aerodrome engineer consult.
For all their skills etc they where very amateurish is a lot of ways, honestly surprised no one got seriously hurt over the 14 years and the only big accident was that canon that shot outside the range..
Honestly I would've liked to see it fly as far as possible...but it seems it was front heavy or the rockets caused it to torque around its CG-maybe if they laid the rockets horizontally it could've worked but it might've fish-tailed then....still amazing and enjoyable episode, they're a great team.
Ramp needed to be thicker & it needed a small extension at the front, at a shallower angle, to stop the car bottoming out when it hit the base of the ramp, which made it to bounce up of the ramp & lose traction on the surface & caused it to flip more than fly
Stacking the rockets vertically means the thrust wasn't inline with the centre of gravity of the car, resultng in asymetric thrust. They should have know this and corrected for it!
The berm should have been able to resist shear force. Bags laying loose on top of a flat surface doesn't really work. Even then I don't think it would have caused a jump. The problem with the Myth is that it entirely depends on the configuration of the rockets. As you can see in the second test even when it's airborne it still turns downwards, which shows the total force is acting above the center of gravity of the car. If they placed the rockets such that the force acts slightly below the center of gravity they would have easily seen it go very far. If they did some aerodynamic modeling they could have predicted this far better.
Exactly. This is one of the episodes that just breaks the whole show. Their knowledge of physics are more than enough to understand something this simple. Even if this wasn´t true, they have actual rocket engineers helping them. This is far from advanced physics. Even a 12yr old would do a better job after playing around with Kerbal Space Program for a couple of hours. This is at best lazy and shoddy work. I don´t care about the reasons, I care about misleading and/or false information being spread by people who not only should, but in all likelihood _do_ know better.
@@81formann Yes I agree, but I think this problem is present throughout the entire show. So many myths can easily be busted with someone who has a good understanding of physics and a calculator. Especially the ones dealing with dynamics.
Came here to say the same ;-) That berm was nothing but a few inches of sand vs. one ton of metal at 200mph. I would expect even a berm made of concrete or metal would just have been pushed into the ground instead of bumping the car up. Just too much downward force. The problem here is weight more than placement of the rocket. Due to all the precautions and safety, the weight would probably be much higher than at the "original" car (if it even existed). The rockets would probably be fixed to the roof and not inside, which might cave in a bit to the back and give the rocket power an angled upward force that could help it take off on a small (and non-yielding) bump. That said, I do not think the myth is real, just because it takes serious work to combine a rocket engine and a car and not just make it shear off all welds or clamps or screws and fly away leaving the car a crispy wreck on the road.
@@rwandaforever6744 If the myth explicitly made clear the rocket was mounted on top of the roof, there is no way it could ever lift off. I don’t find it far fetched to believe someone could have made this by themselves though. It’s the combination of very unlikely things that makes the myth busted. But I’m not very satisfied with the way they bust this myth.
i think if the ramp had a bit of a flatter angle and was longer it would fly further. The front suspension bottomed out on the ramp if i am not mistaking
And a stronger deck -- at @47:09 you can see the the front left wheel was pushed through the surface of the ramp. a singe layer of OSB just wasn't enough. And although tumbling was inevitable, this might have induced a forward pitch force that lead to the fact that the car was rotating toward the ground as it left the ramp... It's easy to armchair quarterback something like this a decade later, though. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that. :) Still one of the cooler episodes.
I think that the problem was that the second car barely touched the ramp. It bounced as soon as it hit the start of the ramp and already had a downward trajectory when it passed the end of it.
@@AjHxze-lx4jn you are right. Lets stop talking about things of the past since we can`t change them. Whats the point. Let`s forget history also while we are at it 👍
I think that the problem was that the second car barely touched the ramp. It bounced as soon as it hit the start of the ramp and already had a downward trajectory when it passed the end of it.
that second impala surely needed a bit more weight in the back to keep it's nose up when taking off but just enough to keep that balance with the power of the rockets thats what i think but i could be wrong
I consider this 3rd attempt as a fail. You need to prepare such an expensive thing more serious with the physics! But hey at least you did it!!! congrats from Switzerland
to all those comments about how to rockets were positioned wrong and the thrust wasn't centered: yeah, true for sure but what else they could've done? if you're gonna stack rockets horizontally, then you gotta cut the whole back of the car. you can't put them on the ground, putting to sides would've been even more problematic, so you put them either high above or vertical at the back. in the original jato myth, i suppose they were mounted on the top anyway. so there's like literally no practical way to make a missile out of a car. it's not an aircraft, it's bound by the ground and you can't center the thrust like that p.s: i think the first car could've went straight longer if adam didn't lose control. but the second was inherently hopeless and jaime did the best possible job
Hand here kids, you see what happens if you don't have vector thrust control. Because when your steering wheels want to go in a different direction than your rockets want to go, the rockets always win.
For me the center of mass wasn't calculated well enough. But the ramp was not build optimal either. The car lost a lot of speed at the first part of the ramp, and flew from the middle of it. A less steep entrance to a gradual inclining angle would've been a more disirable trajectory. It was quite entertaining never the less.
They did not line the center of thrust and center of mass properly, ask any Kerbal Space Program player. Center of thrust was higher than the center of mass, pushing the car over. One rocket less on top and it would've flown beautifully.
Yes, except it tipped nose down so center of trust was higher than center of mass. Yes this is very hard to get correct that is why you use fins or trust control.
This is what the Mythbusters were best at: magnificent experiments designed to fail. In the myth the rockets were strapped to the roof of the car, closer to the car's center of gravity than rockets at the rear. At high speed the resistance of air against the belly of the car could have pushed the car upwards as the weight of the engine was pulling the nose down, resulting in a good pitch. That could have happened if lift-off had occurred at a very high speed, much higher than in the experiment. Cars of the 1960's were not designed for good aerodynamic behavior. Driven fast enough, they could have lifted off by themselves because of turbulence under the car.
I find it funny. A lot of people start complaining about the later seasons, that they didnt feel as real. They didnt show the process of building and testing. Here, we get that, and people still complain.
What is this stupidity in the second experiment? There were dozens of people there and no one noticed that having the missiles one on top of the other would push the car towards the ground, which is what happened when it lifted up. So why did they add another weight to the front? 😒From the start I knew she would fall fast when she jumped.
Man, people using the term "high-octane" incorrectly annoys my inner nerd to no end... The last thing you could call rocket fuel is "high-octane" because octane ratings are broadly irrelevant to the way rocket fuel works. Come on people... Is this supposed to be a science channel or what?
Force aded to a car add weight to front of a car that why it face to a ground.. too much weight on front of car, show me a rocket that moust of weight has on front, this can't work...
Quite the opposite, the front was too light, so it allowed the rockets to push it down. If it were heavier, it would have had more momentum, and it would have been harder to disrupt said momentum
The problem wasn't the distribution of weight on the car (forward backward c.o.g. movement), but rather the height at which the resultant force acts with respect to the vertical c.o.g. In this case it was above, causing it to nose dive. To make a claim about the horizontal c.o.g. you would need to know the aerodynamic center first.
And despite everything, the story hasn't been refuted because Jeto isn't sitting in the car and nobody knows what role the driver plays in flying!!!! SO EVERYTHING FOR THE SAUSAGES
Amazingly, I'd not seen this till now! But, the second I saw they were using a wooden ramp and leaving the front suspension standard I knew there was going to be issues. After all the years of car myths, I'm staggered they disn't think about the suspension bottoming out and the HUGE counter weight making contact with the wood. Damn, SO close to getting a decent flight path but still very worth it 🙌 One last try Mythbusters?... 🙏🫶
29:55 - "Get Ready Kari" ... her finger shaking n her face during n after the whole launch... 😅 she was stressed!
16:26 every tradie with a cement bag talking to a client and its leaking down your boot 😂😂 it's happened to me countless times
i feel like they didn't calculate the center of mass before sending it... could have been 2x of that distance
That's what I was thinking. Would have been nicer to see the rockets arrayed along the horizontal axis through the COG.
anyone who has ever played KSP recognized immediately that the center of thrust and center of mass were off.
I was thinking of that the whole episode long. ANY stable rocket needs a center of mass directk in the line of your thrust vector. That, or incredibly complex stabilization techniques ala SpaceX.
Just looking at the steel beam on the grill, it's clear the team *tried*, but this is something that really could have used an aerodrome engineer consult.
For all their skills etc they where very amateurish is a lot of ways, honestly surprised no one got seriously hurt over the 14 years and the only big accident was that canon that shot outside the range..
They had them vertically it in case one of the rockets failed like last time to keep it going straight.
Honestly I would've liked to see it fly as far as possible...but it seems it was front heavy or the rockets caused it to torque around its CG-maybe if they laid the rockets horizontally it could've worked but it might've fish-tailed then....still amazing and enjoyable episode, they're a great team.
The failure of Jato 2 really enhanced the series.
True
Ramp needed to be thicker & it needed a small extension at the front, at a shallower angle, to stop the car bottoming out when it hit the base of the ramp, which made it to bounce up of the ramp & lose traction on the surface & caused it to flip more than fly
Hmmm looks to me that counter weight could have been a little lighter.
The white Impala doesn't start because it doesn't want to die.😢
That poor impala, but it's for in the name of SCIENCE.
Real shame considering how rare they’re becoming but it was a Gucci’d out lowrider so one less bouncy car in the world 🤷♂️
They are more valuable at museum after mythbusters test. Lol
@@BusterHimen-1202Gucci Bang
Angry Walrus, Missing Eye Brows,
Dean Winchester does not like this episode
Stacking the rockets vertically means the thrust wasn't inline with the centre of gravity of the car, resultng in asymetric thrust. They should have know this and corrected for it!
They did it in case one of the rockets failed again to keep it going straight (remember that their last attempt in '07 exploded)
You could have done better without the heavy weight upfront
The berm should have been able to resist shear force. Bags laying loose on top of a flat surface doesn't really work. Even then I don't think it would have caused a jump. The problem with the Myth is that it entirely depends on the configuration of the rockets. As you can see in the second test even when it's airborne it still turns downwards, which shows the total force is acting above the center of gravity of the car. If they placed the rockets such that the force acts slightly below the center of gravity they would have easily seen it go very far. If they did some aerodynamic modeling they could have predicted this far better.
Exactly. This is one of the episodes that just breaks the whole show. Their knowledge of physics are more than enough to understand something this simple. Even if this wasn´t true, they have actual rocket engineers helping them. This is far from advanced physics. Even a 12yr old would do a better job after playing around with Kerbal Space Program for a couple of hours.
This is at best lazy and shoddy work. I don´t care about the reasons, I care about misleading and/or false information being spread by people who not only should, but in all likelihood _do_ know better.
@@81formann Yes I agree, but I think this problem is present throughout the entire show. So many myths can easily be busted with someone who has a good understanding of physics and a calculator. Especially the ones dealing with dynamics.
Came here to say the same ;-) That berm was nothing but a few inches of sand vs. one ton of metal at 200mph. I would expect even a berm made of concrete or metal would just have been pushed into the ground instead of bumping the car up. Just too much downward force.
The problem here is weight more than placement of the rocket. Due to all the precautions and safety, the weight would probably be much higher than at the "original" car (if it even existed). The rockets would probably be fixed to the roof and not inside, which might cave in a bit to the back and give the rocket power an angled upward force that could help it take off on a small (and non-yielding) bump.
That said, I do not think the myth is real, just because it takes serious work to combine a rocket engine and a car and not just make it shear off all welds or clamps or screws and fly away leaving the car a crispy wreck on the road.
@@rwandaforever6744 If the myth explicitly made clear the rocket was mounted on top of the roof, there is no way it could ever lift off. I don’t find it far fetched to believe someone could have made this by themselves though. It’s the combination of very unlikely things that makes the myth busted. But I’m not very satisfied with the way they bust this myth.
i think if the ramp had a bit of a flatter angle and was longer it would fly further. The front suspension bottomed out on the ramp if i am not mistaking
And a stronger deck -- at @47:09 you can see the the front left wheel was pushed through the surface of the ramp. a singe layer of OSB just wasn't enough. And although tumbling was inevitable, this might have induced a forward pitch force that lead to the fact that the car was rotating toward the ground as it left the ramp...
It's easy to armchair quarterback something like this a decade later, though. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that. :) Still one of the cooler episodes.
I think that the problem was that the second car barely touched the ramp.
It bounced as soon as it hit the start of the ramp and already had a downward trajectory when it passed the end of it.
Bit late for suggestions mate…
@@AjHxze-lx4jn you are right. Lets stop talking about things of the past since we can`t change them. Whats the point. Let`s forget history also while we are at it 👍
Good old days of good television!
Jamie said "just one detail missing" and there was the picture of horns in my mind even before he was able to turn around and pick them up.
Never seen this episode before. Really epic!!
should have arranged the rockets horizontally to get the center balance
42:13 "Jamie and I expect our car to hist the base of our ramp at 88 mph"
Ready for time travel!
I'm surprised the car didn't travel back to the future when it hit the ramp... It was travelling at the appropriate speed.
I think that the problem was that the second car barely touched the ramp.
It bounced as soon as it hit the start of the ramp and already had a downward trajectory when it passed the end of it.
Yes, because the thrusters were too high on the car, the ramp could not have fixed that.
With proper weight balance and rockets placement that car would be flying.
that second impala surely needed a bit more weight in the back to keep it's nose up when taking off but just enough to keep that balance with the power of the rockets thats what i think but i could be wrong
"things that are meant to fly are not shaped like cars"
Well, there is a Reliant Robin space shuttle that disagrees...
I consider this 3rd attempt as a fail. You need to prepare such an expensive thing more serious with the physics! But hey at least you did it!!! congrats from Switzerland
cual es el capitulo donde tory se cae de la bicicleta?
to all those comments about how to rockets were positioned wrong and the thrust wasn't centered: yeah, true for sure but what else they could've done? if you're gonna stack rockets horizontally, then you gotta cut the whole back of the car. you can't put them on the ground, putting to sides would've been even more problematic, so you put them either high above or vertical at the back. in the original jato myth, i suppose they were mounted on the top anyway. so there's like literally no practical way to make a missile out of a car. it's not an aircraft, it's bound by the ground and you can't center the thrust like that
p.s: i think the first car could've went straight longer if adam didn't lose control. but the second was inherently hopeless and jaime did the best possible job
you've never watched top gear i'm guessing..
Hand here kids, you see what happens if you don't have vector thrust control. Because when your steering wheels want to go in a different direction than your rockets want to go, the rockets always win.
Thought Adam would at least measure how far it did fly…disappointing
This is why you will never see "Mythbusters Valet Services".
Great TV
88mph. I love the back to the future reference. But it would have took about 40 miles for that piece of junk to get to that speed.😂
For me the center of mass wasn't calculated well enough. But the ramp was not build optimal either. The car lost a lot of speed at the first part of the ramp, and flew from the middle of it. A less steep entrance to a gradual inclining angle would've been a more disirable trajectory. It was quite entertaining never the less.
Vertically aligned rockets was not the best choice I'd say
I didnt know jato 3 existed..... Should be an interesting watch
They did not line the center of thrust and center of mass properly, ask any Kerbal Space Program player. Center of thrust was higher than the center of mass, pushing the car over. One rocket less on top and it would've flown beautifully.
Yes, except it tipped nose down so center of trust was higher than center of mass.
Yes this is very hard to get correct that is why you use fins or trust control.
This is what the Mythbusters were best at: magnificent experiments designed to fail.
In the myth the rockets were strapped to the roof of the car, closer to the car's center of gravity than rockets at the rear. At high speed the resistance of air against the belly of the car could have pushed the car upwards as the weight of the engine was pulling the nose down, resulting in a good pitch. That could have happened if lift-off had occurred at a very high speed, much higher than in the experiment. Cars of the 1960's were not designed for good aerodynamic behavior. Driven fast enough, they could have lifted off by themselves because of turbulence under the car.
Spending so much and you guys couldn’t afford to build a ramp
The "88mph" prediction gave me the goosebumps... then I remembered - it's Impala, not DeLorean... 😅
I'm not sure the DeLorean could go 88 MPH either to be fair!
I'd like to know what would've happened without that lump of steel across the front it was to heavy brought the nose straight down
this episode in particular makes it obvious how much pandering there is around the important moments
Your right this episode was 3/4 filler
I find it funny. A lot of people start complaining about the later seasons, that they didnt feel as real. They didnt show the process of building and testing. Here, we get that, and people still complain.
The classic
What is this stupidity in the second experiment? There were dozens of people there and no one noticed that having the missiles one on top of the other would push the car towards the ground, which is what happened when it lifted up. So why did they add another weight to the front? 😒From the start I knew she would fall fast when she jumped.
Do they just leave the wrecks in the desert lol, litterbugs.
Man, people using the term "high-octane" incorrectly annoys my inner nerd to no end... The last thing you could call rocket fuel is "high-octane" because octane ratings are broadly irrelevant to the way rocket fuel works.
Come on people... Is this supposed to be a science channel or what?
Force aded to a car add weight to front of a car that why it face to a ground.. too much weight on front of car, show me a rocket that moust of weight has on front, this can't work...
needed a spoiler
Cliffjumper was an impala as well in TFP. A red one. Just let that sink in
The front of the car was to heavy. It nose-dived.
Quite the opposite, the front was too light, so it allowed the rockets to push it down. If it were heavier, it would have had more momentum, and it would have been harder to disrupt said momentum
The problem wasn't the distribution of weight on the car (forward backward c.o.g. movement), but rather the height at which the resultant force acts with respect to the vertical c.o.g. In this case it was above, causing it to nose dive. To make a claim about the horizontal c.o.g. you would need to know the aerodynamic center first.
Shame on you!
_Why destroy a classic Car ?_
Spacex could do better
it had the trust to push it up in first test
THIS WAS UPLOADED 3 DAYS AGO?? WHAT, I thought Myhthbusters was over, am I in heaven?
i still think it would b possible to make the car fly if they used a curved ramp. the back of the car bounced too hard on that straight ramp
And despite everything, the story hasn't been refuted because Jeto isn't sitting in the car and nobody knows what role the driver plays in flying!!!! SO EVERYTHING FOR THE SAUSAGES
Not a bad test after only three tries.
so much efford and they cant build a simple ramp properly, and thats why the car did the nosedive...so sad.
Again Kari is just there being cute
This proves one thing I keep saying about cars: If it wears a GM badge, it's JUNK!!
Amazingly, I'd not seen this till now!
But, the second I saw they were using a wooden ramp and leaving the front suspension standard I knew there was going to be issues. After all the years of car myths, I'm staggered they disn't think about the suspension bottoming out and the HUGE counter weight making contact with the wood. Damn, SO close to getting a decent flight path but still very worth it 🙌
One last try Mythbusters?... 🙏🫶