What’s your typical sizing for a 4-bet in a capped game like this? Also what do you think about the caller’s decision to check back this flop with kings?
Depends on the situation. In this situation, I’m almost min-4 betting because my range will be so linear. I might get spicy with an A5s, but for the most part it’s going to be big hands as I assume SB is significantly under 3 betting
This call is just a guy flexing...normally the calls are at the end teaching something...but this guy just wants to prove to Bart that he is a beast at these stakes and his logic is the only way forward.
These are the deviations at the lower stakes that pay tremendously if noticed.. the fact the caller recognized thought process and capability of villain, is winning at poker. Great work once again Bart thank you From a live grinder in the Portland Oregon streets
You have kk, in position, 4bet pot, spr 1,5, draw heavy board but no overcard. Just bet/call. Very simple spot. Some people really like to hear themself talk
Yeah, this caller struck me throughout as simply wanting to flex how very clever he was. The flop check-back works until next time the villain drills his set, courtesy of the free card given.
@@ethelroast9671you refuse to understand logics that are differents than yours. He did Say that checking that flop would induce villain to turn and River bluffs with underpairs like 99-TT, and he nailed It perfectly. If hero bets the flop here, villain Is prolly gonna fold flop otherwise. But i agree with you, against most opponents you are Just giving them a free card by checking flop.
@@RiccardoRanauro -- you refuse to understand that I understand the "logic" (🤣) just fine, but that I'll maintain that -- ultimately, over time spanning large sample size -- you'll pay for that "logic" more than profit from it by gifting a free card for villain to drill and beat you. Meh, it worked this hand. WHOOPEE! Want a cookie? Until... as previously mentioned, villain drills his help-card next time and you lose a big pot you had no business losing.
10:44 is hero 4-betting QQ and JJ? If so, aren’t those (plus AA) much better hands with which to “protect your check back range” with? They’re all much less vulnerable hands. The sets especially.
"He seems like a regular 2,5 player"......This caller must think he is elite. Such clowns For some reason callers mostly think that they are pros because they 3 bet and 4 bet. Lmao
The caller sounds pretty logical to me, and it also seem like the sb is more clownish based on this hand. Then again maybe sb had a momentary lapse of reason.
@karlinchina Not debating his logic ..discussing his love of hearing his own voice and the not subtle tone of "I am a very good player " that he was reminding us about every chance he got.
@@Fred-rg5vw Yeah I've heard way worse but the caller did seem a little high on his own supply and seemed to be half putting down other 2-5 players. Like he said "he's a thinking player but it doesn't mean he's good" during the flop talk.
I think the villain's calculation was straight-forward: most people who check flop/ call turn in a 4-bet pot do not have a hand they believe in, and are therefore likely to fold to a shove on the river.
bet check bet is the better line vs range. I'd remember anyone who checks flop in this spot without top set and bluff shove every future c bet in a 4 bet pot. What value hands does caller have when he bets flop?
4bet sizing could be smaller yes but nothing too bad from hero. I actually like the check back it induces nicely & it's unorthodox. Certainly a good play I would probably bet this 1/3 if I was in the spot but it's a great action to find. Turn absolutely a call. Nothing to talk about. River I instinctively might fold because I don't get behind the idea of checking back flop, so in my head I don't register why we're doing it. It makes sense when you guys explained it, no doubt about that, but with this line when your hand looks so much like AK or an Ax preflop bluff, it doesn't make sense to turn your equity into a bluff. So that's why I can't get behind the villain's choice if he was bluffing. The combos you talked about make a lot of sense & I do still think it's a call & nothing else objectively speaking. There are a lot of bluff combos still left compared so flicking in the call is fine. Also I think you jam this for thin value if he checks it to you.
@@karlinchinaAre you the caller? No ones saying he played the hand badly, everyone’s saying he’s an arrogant douche that thinks he’s the clp instructor telling Bart how to play a hand
The caller is so pleased with himself. His opponent is a dunce. He says this is typical. Maybe this is just Indiana? I've never been there. Is it mostly stupid people?
Isn't 99 just a fold with the 4Bet and its larger sizing? Villain is basically looking for a set and a set only because 4Bets are just so AA/KK heavy in 2/5 Extra $150 to win a pot of max $2k, when we probably need 15/1 implied odds I think as a function of 4bets being so value heavy at this stake and so rare, you just want to fold out everything except AA / KK and AKs unless you have greater than 15/1 implied odds
Caller is lucky to win this one. If it was me I'd lose my stack to a set, straight, or 2 pair on the flop every time. Only hand you can beat and make money against on that flop is usually AQ. Only way to win is for the villain to bluff 99, 10s, or AK and in this particular instance that's what happened. I'd still call down though because I'm bad at poker.
No need to over think at 2/5 Simply play the player and proceed accordingly, whilst attempting to get three streets of value. Here villains four bet call with 99 implies he is set mining or put you on AK. I would bet ever street if Villain has QQ or JJ or 88 so be it’
This is very shallow postflop, not much room for all this fancy play. I cant imagine how we think a villain would call a 4 bet with AQ and then somehow not stack off woth top/top at like 1.5 spr.
To be fair Bart, I believe if you replace the V with someone like Hungry Horse then I think he plays this same line. (Other than just folding pre). Checks range flop, checks back. Marc seems to deny equity and over bluff in this line a ton. He bets $175 on turn purely targeting AK to deny equity. Now our hero's range looks like AK (AA, KK if they protect their checkback range). Do you A. Check and hope he doesn't turn AK into a bluff and put you into the blender. B. Go all in and guarantee AK to not be turned into a bluff, while having fold equity vs AA KK.
Hungry horse usually uses massive overbet sizes on river when he takes these kind of lines though. Would be interesting what hero would have done if they were deeper and river bet was $1600 instead of $580.
Man I know this is off subject Bart just seen your dog vid and man you handle that good man I would of went to jail for something bad if they did that to my dog he is everything to me like I can tell you dog was to you I am sorry that happen to you all respect to you.God Bless love you videos.
Yeah if he’s assuming hero basically always has AK here maybe it’s value and he’s just hoping hero levels himself into a call because he reasons villain is trying to bluff him off a chop.
I thought when the boards are coordinated you shouldve bet bigger like 3/4 of the pot or even the size of the pot?! I’m a fish so I would like to take this pot now and not regret it later..
It's a 4bet pot (narrow ranges, big cards) and SPR is super small so optimally you can bet 1/4 pot and then jam turn or river. As opposed to a single raised pot where SPR is 10 or more and ranges are wide.
What’s your typical sizing for a 4-bet in a capped game like this? Also what do you think about the caller’s decision to check back this flop with kings?
Depends on the situation. In this situation, I’m almost min-4 betting because my range will be so linear. I might get spicy with an A5s, but for the most part it’s going to be big hands as I assume SB is significantly under 3 betting
I'd probably 4-bet around $180.
KK/AA
Jam flop.
That was my Reddit post. We love you, Bart.
Simple rule: don't check to induce a bluff if you're going to fold when your check does induce reasonable sized bets.
I agree!
Yup, that was the plan from the flop so it's an easy call off
This call is just a guy flexing...normally the calls are at the end teaching something...but this guy just wants to prove to Bart that he is a beast at these stakes and his logic is the only way forward.
At 2-5 , 5-betting QQ and JJ in sb vs. a BB 4-bet is torching $$. To the commenter that said tags 5-bet JJ and QQ @ 2-5
I don’t see how 5-betting JJ is ever correct unless you’re up against a maniac.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj too many people watch crap like HCL to learn
I’ve seen it before 🤷♂️
@@michaelsmith2157doesn’t mean it’s not a torching in 99% of situations
These are the deviations at the lower stakes that pay tremendously if noticed.. the fact the caller recognized thought process and capability of villain, is winning at poker. Great work once again Bart thank you
From a live grinder in the Portland Oregon streets
That you Nick?
Grinding in the streets.
Sounds a slow process.
@@Fred-rg5vw yeah there’s lots of shopping carts and tents in the way
Fancy play syndome vs fancy play syndrome at Low Stakes
You have kk, in position, 4bet pot, spr 1,5, draw heavy board but no overcard.
Just bet/call. Very simple spot.
Some people really like to hear themself talk
Yeah, this caller struck me throughout as simply wanting to flex how very clever he was. The flop check-back works until next time the villain drills his set, courtesy of the free card given.
@@ethelroast9671you refuse to understand logics that are differents than yours. He did Say that checking that flop would induce villain to turn and River bluffs with underpairs like 99-TT, and he nailed It perfectly.
If hero bets the flop here, villain Is prolly gonna fold flop otherwise.
But i agree with you, against most opponents you are Just giving them a free card by checking flop.
@@RiccardoRanauro -- you refuse to understand that I understand the "logic" (🤣) just fine, but that I'll maintain that -- ultimately, over time spanning large sample size -- you'll pay for that "logic" more than profit from it by gifting a free card for villain to drill and beat you. Meh, it worked this hand. WHOOPEE! Want a cookie? Until... as previously mentioned, villain drills his help-card next time and you lose a big pot you had no business losing.
It's not as draw heavy as it appears.
@@karlinchina Yeah I don't play much poker anymore but vs a SB 3bet the combos of hands drawing does seem on the narrow side here.
“This guy is good enough to just fold AQ on the flop”
Guy bets turn, shoves river with 99 🧐🧐🧐
19:37 He said villian knows hero is capable of folding AQ...
@@sog1272 10:20 The caller says he doesn't think villain in the hand will stack off with AQ here
One of the nastiest flops possible sitting with pocket KK in a 4-bet pot 🤮
At least that gives you a straight draw. I’d argue this is worse.
@@Odogsterfor example any flop that contains an ace
10:44 is hero 4-betting QQ and JJ? If so, aren’t those (plus AA) much better hands with which to “protect your check back range” with?
They’re all much less vulnerable hands. The sets especially.
I would love to see some Tourney hand call ins
So this guy called to hear his own voice?
Cool
"He seems like a regular 2,5 player"......This caller must think he is elite. Such clowns
For some reason callers mostly think that they are pros because they 3 bet and 4 bet. Lmao
Feels like the 2/5 callers are BY FAR the most arrogant/self-absorbed of the bunch.
The way bart just ignores their arrogance ..can tell he's thinking "what a wonker" but is too polite to say it.
The caller sounds pretty logical to me, and it also seem like the sb is more clownish based on this hand. Then again maybe sb had a momentary lapse of reason.
@karlinchina
Not debating his logic ..discussing his love of hearing his own voice and the not subtle tone of "I am a very good player " that he was reminding us about every chance he got.
@@Fred-rg5vw Yeah I've heard way worse but the caller did seem a little high on his own supply and seemed to be half putting down other 2-5 players. Like he said "he's a thinking player but it doesn't mean he's good" during the flop talk.
I know this guy. Jordan Cooper. Plays daily fantasy. Recognizes that voice anywhere lol
I think the villain's calculation was straight-forward: most people who check flop/ call turn in a 4-bet pot do not have a hand they believe in, and are therefore likely to fold to a shove on the river.
bet check bet is the better line vs range. I'd remember anyone who checks flop in this spot without top set and bluff shove every future c bet in a 4 bet pot. What value hands does caller have when he bets flop?
4bet sizing could be smaller yes but nothing too bad from hero.
I actually like the check back it induces nicely & it's unorthodox. Certainly a good play I would probably bet this 1/3 if I was in the spot but it's a great action to find.
Turn absolutely a call. Nothing to talk about.
River I instinctively might fold because I don't get behind the idea of checking back flop, so in my head I don't register why we're doing it. It makes sense when you guys explained it, no doubt about that, but with this line when your hand looks so much like AK or an Ax preflop bluff, it doesn't make sense to turn your equity into a bluff. So that's why I can't get behind the villain's choice if he was bluffing. The combos you talked about make a lot of sense & I do still think it's a call & nothing else objectively speaking. There are a lot of bluff combos still left compared so flicking in the call is fine.
Also I think you jam this for thin value if he checks it to you.
Love the Marc Goon reference!
Love the content Bart
Oh my god I just realized this is blender
Protecting your check back range is not a thing when the SPR is this low. You're giving AK and TT a free chance at 6-7 outs. That's a disaster.
why's this guy even calling in if he has all the answers?
Is this call from a few weeks back? It sounds familiar
This caller didn’t want any advice or input from Bart at all I have no idea why he called this in. So full of himself
He had a logical reason for everything he did, except for the flop check which is more of a "tricky" play than a solvery/balanced play.
It isn't about logic...it seems more like validation he is looking for from Bart@@karlinchina
@@karlinchinaAre you the caller? No ones saying he played the hand badly, everyone’s saying he’s an arrogant douche that thinks he’s the clp instructor telling Bart how to play a hand
I tend to like around 2.5x for a 4b in position, probably $185.
If the cap is max bets for the whole hand, at least it's still 200bb deep.
Deeper you can size up 4b. At 200bb deep GTO likes to go 4x oop and 3x IP
@TheNow_Now I didn't even pay enough attention to realize we are in fact 200bb deep. Great call
The caller is so pleased with himself. His opponent is a dunce. He says this is typical. Maybe this is just Indiana? I've never been there. Is it mostly stupid people?
2/5 is a good game in most places.
This is a tough one for me. I feel like someone calling a 4bet has AA/QQ/JJ here just so much vs anything else
On the flop I'd be very worried of QQ, JJ, AK of diamonds. All-in or check-fold. I don't want to think this hard over $775 - LOL.
Isn't 99 just a fold with the 4Bet and its larger sizing?
Villain is basically looking for a set and a set only because 4Bets are just so AA/KK heavy in 2/5
Extra $150 to win a pot of max $2k, when we probably need 15/1 implied odds
I think as a function of 4bets being so value heavy at this stake and so rare, you just want to fold out everything except AA / KK and AKs unless you have greater than 15/1 implied odds
99 is a clear fold to a cold 4-bet of this size when OOP with this stack depth. It's not even close.
Hahaha, Blender is so full of himself
Caller is lucky to win this one. If it was me I'd lose my stack to a set, straight, or 2 pair on the flop every time. Only hand you can beat and make money against on that flop is usually AQ. Only way to win is for the villain to bluff 99, 10s, or AK and in this particular instance that's what happened. I'd still call down though because I'm bad at poker.
the all in just isnt big enough to fold to.. easy call.... my opinion validates the play
No need to over think at 2/5
Simply play the player and proceed accordingly, whilst attempting to get three streets of value.
Here villains four bet call with 99 implies he is set mining or put you on AK.
I would bet ever street if Villain has QQ or JJ or 88 so be it’
Can just shove the flop where I play in TX and get called by tons of worse hands like AQ, TT, 99, AK even, etc
This is very shallow postflop, not much room for all this fancy play. I cant imagine how we think a villain would call a 4 bet with AQ and then somehow not stack off woth top/top at like 1.5 spr.
To be fair Bart, I believe if you replace the V with someone like Hungry Horse then I think he plays this same line. (Other than just folding pre). Checks range flop, checks back. Marc seems to deny equity and over bluff in this line a ton. He bets $175 on turn purely targeting AK to deny equity. Now our hero's range looks like AK (AA, KK if they protect their checkback range). Do you A. Check and hope he doesn't turn AK into a bluff and put you into the blender. B. Go all in and guarantee AK to not be turned into a bluff, while having fold equity vs AA KK.
Hungry horse usually uses massive overbet sizes on river when he takes these kind of lines though. Would be interesting what hero would have done if they were deeper and river bet was $1600 instead of $580.
@ that is very true, he might not ever even start the bluff line if he knows the SPR will be less than 1 by the River.
These brag calls are so painful to listen to.
It seems like every call in I know the villain is going to end up bluffing. Definitely need more call ins about hands that lost.
So true bro
Man I know this is off subject Bart just seen your dog vid and man you handle that good man I would of went to jail for something bad if they did that to my dog he is everything to me like I can tell you dog was to you I am sorry that happen to you all respect to you.God Bless love you videos.
You sure it is not value vs AK on the river?
Yeah if he’s assuming hero basically always has AK here maybe it’s value and he’s just hoping hero levels himself into a call because he reasons villain is trying to bluff him off a chop.
Ya some people do call with AK in the Hero's spot, but given the caller should think that V can have 88-QQ you wouldn't think so. So maybe?
Irony is Bart is saying why would villain bet river when he beats AK… and yet hero bluffs river cuz he’s behind !
He made this hand up
What’s up Blender?
Jordan aka BlenderHD in the dfs streets. If you know, you know.
So… the villain bluffs the river because he blocks T9 that 4-bets from BB then checks flop and calls turn?
I don't really hate the bluff, hero clearly has a made hand.
🎉🎉🎉
villain is a donk
call in sounds like a retro-
con
I thought when the boards are coordinated you shouldve bet bigger like 3/4 of the pot or even the size of the pot?! I’m a fish so I would like to take this pot now and not regret it later..
It's a 4bet pot (narrow ranges, big cards) and SPR is super small so optimally you can bet 1/4 pot and then jam turn or river. As opposed to a single raised pot where SPR is 10 or more and ranges are wide.