@@welon17 I think that what Daigo meant is that a lot of V-ism stuff is just flashyness, like very long combos. Once you reach the skill level at which players can land those combos, every time that one happens the mindgame just stops. No neutral, no zoning, no nothing, just like at least 10 seconds of watching one character bounce. X/A-ism is more pure. It's more about playing neutral/footsies all the time, which unless you really really love street fighter, you might find more boring than doing flashy combos. EDIT: You don't have to be thaaat hardcore to do v-ism stuff. I can do some v-ism combos (sakura's and ryu's), but I suck at every other aspect of the game. I think that by "hardcore" Daigo means REALLY hardcore people, those who have been playing for years and years.
"If Capcom makes a fair game... no one would play it." Mind-boggling deep quote there. In all my years of playing Street Fighter, I never considered that truth, but it is so true. People say they want fair, but they really want fun.
Would you guys consider Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting fair, just out of curiosity? I love playing that online on the 30th Anniversary Collection. There are one or two seemingly unbalanced characters, but in essence, one can't spam their way or play carelessly to win. You actually have be good, otherwise you get punished for your mistakes.
@@NY-Buddy Super Street Fighter IV was insanely balanced but it was also incredibly boring. Of course in hindsight it's funny because everyone thought AE would be like a Super Turbo hype mode for SF4 and while it was nutty most people bitched about how good Yun was after popping off that Third Strike was getting representation. I think the right amount of bullshit needs to be in a fighting game to work. MVC is kind of an extreme example, it was hype and people loved it but it skewed HEAVY in the unfair spectrum. I think SF4 skewed a little too strongly toward fairness overall in it's lifespan. It needs to be a little faster and a little more punishing to players within reason.
@@JusRed48 Marvel is actually hype because of characters and the fact that when the vs games came out, Air Combos were the coolest things EVER!! Mvc3 is just play for money while it stays stupidly broken
Ah SFA3, the game that got me into Street Fighter well after I started getting into fighting games with Tekken. I love the Steet Fighter series, and Alpha/Zero 3 will always have a special place in my heart as being on of the best fighting games I've ever played. Its tied with Third Strike as my favorite Street Fighter game ever.
The whole stream was like this. This is just the Alpha 3 part, but he also talked about SF2/3/4/5 during the stream, and it was all lively. I think he just really likes teaching people about SF and fighting games. He's really an FGC treasure.
@@Emezie I still would love to see him talk about Guilty Gear more. Just the idea of him exposing it to more people is great, especially with his wisdom.
This game is absolutely stunning, on every front, the presentation is the best it's ever been in the series, there's a coherent story, the attention to details both visually and mechanically is crazy and the game is absurdly fun both casually and competitively.
3:57 the wisdom of a GOD. i dont usually hear the praises for alpha 3, i love alpha3 specially the world tour mode. getting to customize your character then fight ur homeboys... it was AMAZING!!
Thanks for this translation! Daigo has so much detailed insight into fighting game design! I love that he considers how these mechanics also affect players and the community.
The game is not only because of the guard crush system a masterpiece! Its the overall gameplay, the feeling of a real dynamic fight and thats why alpha 3 max is always the best street fighter.
I didn't think about all this but after watching this video it makes sense why I like king of fighters so much. And king of fighters 13 specifically capitalizes on all these alternative mechanics to open people up with out heavy reliance on throw. The hop system allows the high low mixups, similar to vampire savior despite being a bit slower. While also having a guard break option to break the defense of an opponent. Plus it still holds the classic F/B+HP/HK throw option which also reduces the reliance on throws on offense. And to top it off despite all the alternative methods to opening people up throws are still entirely useful which is pretty amazing game design. All these paired with KOFs great defensive options, guard cancel blowback/roll, fall break, standard roll, all the varied hops. I would say King of Fighters is the King of Fair fighting game mechanics. Although combo wise kof games can tend to be anything but fair lol
Outside of the competitive and over game balance aspect....SFA3 is THE definitive most thought out creative greatest SF game that Capcom ever made. Best competitive SF is a tie between SF2 series or SF3S
The game is perfect from just a fan of the series too music stages supers even dhalsim is cool in this game old school ryu and ken special intro bump fist ken gives ryu a nuggy and ken throws ryu godlike announcer go for broke
Perfect?! On what planet or version? Dee Jay's rolling sobat kick didn't combo it's two hits. A perfect game has a character who's two hits move doesn't combo.
@@aliasmcdoe With that clean look AND that pumping-up music AND those meter management options AND a more sophisticated guard break system, I'd say it'd be a rich man's SFII instead. I LOVE SSF2T for what it is, but Alpha 3 (especially MAX with all its single-player modes) is godlike. Now, as for the V-ism, why not just make it last longer on block only, or nerf the damage on hit? If it was used primarily as a guard-breaking resource only, instead of being equally used to dish out ludicrous damage, then that'd solve the problem.
@@mathewg1747 yes, Air guard. Hated by so many! But what options it gave you. Badly timed anti airs. Block! Air to Air attacks. Block! (The birth of "everybody has to has Air block now") You could airblock things and THEN ground recovery. (Imagine landing on projectiles and then roll. Normally you can only Roll if you're also able to Flip. So lets say after a knock Up. Alpha3 gents! 😎🙂
@@joseluki Thats intersting! I came from Alpha 1 to Alpha2 and the music amd Audio has gotten better and better. Alpha3 was a step Back in my eyes. But everyone said:"hey! The music i so great!" I alwasy wondered If i am the only one who thought that the music and the stages are (compared to A2) are only medicore...
The legend says that back when Daigo was a small kid, each time he get himself into mischievious actions his Mom grounded him with a Flip Flop's 100 hits combo, but he answered parrying all the attacks.
I agree with his analysis, but I think CvS2 represents the culmination and perfection of this kind of SF game. Everything that was great about A3 was done better by CvS2. Although A Groove was really strong, there were at least a couple other grooves that were viable.
@neogeomaster Actually in a tier list that supposes v-ism is banned, Nash rises up a bit and becomes a relatively better character because the upper tiers have better v-ism than he does.
@@Rkader11 There are genuine reasons to not like v-ism. It's an extremely powerful and repetitive mechanic that gets boring to see pretty quick and skews the balance of the game too hard.
Yeah V-ISM can be annoying but it helps characters that aren't viable in the other modes, like Karin or Charlie. You may say it gets repetitive, but competitive play is always repetitive. Nobody will try fancy risky combos when they're playing competitively. They'll always pick their best character and perform the most reliable combos even if they look boring.
@@ironrex6979Not entirely. SF6 is very offensive-oriented and you can't keep blocking all the time without getting any hits or walking forward or else you'll be burnt out.
I would agree. I really loved SFA3 especially SFA3 Max. I was disappointed when the street fighter 30th anniversary only included the arcade version. Capcom needs to release SFA3 Max with netplay or maybe a HD version of it
I know how it feels. Arcade version looks so bland compared to home releases of the game. Even tiny things like lifebars or some animations on the hud are vastly improved on consoles.
Out of all the ports, I still believe nothing beats the Saturn version. It is seriously THE best port of the game, with a more balanced cast of characters than the Mugen-like portable ports. The speed of the Saturn port feels literally perfect, down to the smallest details and the Reverse Dramatic Battle is the best mode in all of the games. Of course, I understand why some people prefer the PSP port despite the smaller screen and horrible D-Pad, but personally I don't think anything will ever be as perfect for me as the Saturn port.
both of those games allow air borne attacks that are close to the ground. mvc with the obvious triangle jumps and vampire savior dashing brings a lot of characters off the ground and u can attack out of that.
The announcers voice is ok but the dialogue is super bad IVE NEVER SEEN A FIGHT LIKE TJIS BEFORE!!. LOL. I do like the art and hud and meters though i prefer sfz2 life meters. Also they changed a lot of Dans animations and i dont like those. If i could have those changes plus some of the sfz and sfz2 BGs id be psyched.
I think you should have included the parts where he shows why throws are weak in Alpha3 (demonstrating short range, the opponent landing very far when thrown and you can't tick grab after a jump-in) anyway, Alpha3 without V-ISM would've been much more played.
Oh, and let alone one Thing. Until this game. Most Sf had a throw on one Button. So you could Walk Forward and "Mash" your strong or fierce and maybe you get a Punch maybe you will get a throw. In a3 it wasn't like this anymore. You had a whiffing Animation. This is another reason why throws are "weak" in a3.
actually usf 4 would have been awesome with guard crush. USF 4 is very good game, but it is a little too defensive oriented. It can pretty hard to open people up short of the mixups after the knockdown
@@wildwest1832 no it wasnt. the fadc/ultra system wasnt balanced for most of the cast. do you have ways to confirm into ultra? do you have good fadc options? do you have good option selects? do you have good frame traps(ie things that blow up crouch techs things that blow up focus back dash)? these are the things that dictated your characters tier position. the first 2 years of that game i played i had no reason to fadc, it was a waste of bar for me. that isnt good design. regardless of how you feel about 5 consider this. alex is universally seen as low tier. this low tier character has combos for over 50% dmg and gets full use out of the systems core mechanics. is g's v trigger better? of course. but it being better doesnt make alex's trigger less effective. sf5 alex in sf4(with the assumption that he can take full advantage of the systems like he can in 5) would be easily upper mid if not low high tier. heres a direct comparison. sf4 honda had no reason to fadc. ex headbutt for days and ultra was used to anti air or punish(cant combo). sf5 honda? combing super, ex meter has plenty of options and trigger gives me corner pressure(i can also combo into it). low tier characters in 5 are mid or better in 4. sf5s problem with normals is one thing, but mechanically 5 is better designed then 4. if you took sf4 normals(with the exception of overhead, 5 overheads are great) with 5 mechanics then you have something.
Few people know this for some reason, but you can mash out of guard crush and shorten its duration. You'd be surprised how many times I Iet the guard meter run out and mash to avoid getting supered lol.
Alpha 3 and 3rd Strike are tied for my favorite Street Fighter game. Alpha 3 has the better roster and balancing, while 3rd Strike has better fluidity and defense.
World Tour Mode is the Jam! I remember getting the Playstation version, it was the first Street Fighter game I had owned since SSF II, I was really into DBZ at the time and this and the vs titles complimented it nicely!
Daigo basically says sfz 3 would have been perfect if they balanced out the v-ism in another patch. I never really played it, but I really like the idea of a guard crush guage. Its a very good system to force a good mix of defense/offense that is not in a lot of fighting games. So you need to make a decision instead of sitting there blocking for 20 minutes if you can predict the mixups
Alpha 3 was and is the best of all street fighter games in my book. The Alpha 3 cast members are a large part of SFV's success and what keeps SFV alive. ** cough ** Karin & Friends. Not just that though, the hype announcer and the dope ass soundtrack, the beautiful stages, World Tour, A-ism, V-ism, and X-ism, the Alpha Counters that used your gauge to give you that dope lighting bolt reversal. It will forever be my favorite Street Fighter, and I thank god Fightcade exists to give it the online community it deserves.
Alpha 3/ zero 3 really is the best street fighter by far. I always say that. capcom should bring back alot from alpha 3 for street fighter 6. things like air guard, the quick roll after being knocked down, guard break, vism, xism and aism, super guard, etc. I would love to see WORLD TOUR return. it was like a simulation mode and was so fun to upgrade your fighter as you traveled around the world map fighting different fighters in each part and then the boss of that part. seriously, if you didn't play alpha 3 you better download it with an emulator and play it
Alpha 3 will always be a unique game to me. I loved it so much and played it for years but I was only able to play it on a stock Dreamcast controller. It was like looking at an amazing painting with poor eyesight.
Totally agree. Zero 3 was peak Street Fighter. He is right. Take out V-ism and this game was perfect. Back in the day we only played Z- and X-ism and it elevated the game to become better than Zero 2.
Totally agree the best street fighter ever made with the counters love it when u think u are on it u can just break cancel combos that's like proper fighting plus we could customize attribute to Ur character to make him play the way u like ...
just notice that the A-ISM in the european version (alpha 3) is called Z-ISM in zero 3 (US / international version i guess). p.s. alpha3/zero3 = best street fighter game (shin akuma/gouki lv32 worldtour with "super cancel" perk = best character in game)
I'll have to agree that compared to 2 and 3, alpha 1 is too short and the damage can be ridiculous. I play it just like a fastfood snack, still fun though for a short break.
@@ricothesnake4608 I believe he was talking about alpha 2 tho, because Daigo said "Nuki is just an alpha two champ". It was pretty hilarious. th-cam.com/video/4f5jUA5il54/w-d-xo.html He also said this in a stream with Nuki, and Nuki rebuked "you're still on about that lmao!"
My friend and I use to play a lot of the Zero series. We both came to like Zero 2 Alpha (aka Alpha 2 Gold) the best. Throws in Alpha 3 are worthless because a very easy tech can reduce the damage to basically a single pixel. I get what Daigo is saying here; that guard crush makes throwing redundant. But if they wanted to make throws this weak, they should have just taken them out of the game. Throws are only effective against new players in this game, so that just makes it harder for newer players to win against better players. Then there's the extreme damage scaling in this game, which makes combo-centric characters weaker than they should be. People say that it's so cool that you can do super moves or custom combos, but you could do BOTH of those in Zero 2; you didn't have to choose between them.
SFA3 ALWAYS HAVE BEEN MY FAVOUTIRE, AND DAIGO TALKING ABOUT IT , IT MEANS A LOT FOR ME ! SFA3 BEST MUSIC, BEST CHARACTERS, BEST IMAGE , BEST PLAYABILITY, VERY TECHNICAL GAME, AND THEN ALSO MY SECOND FAVOURITE CAPCOM VS SNK 2
Daigo was always my favorite SF player and i am so glad that he consideres Alpha 3 a masterpiece. I think it is the best game ever. For me, it is also the most beautiful one. Such nice colors and alot of small details. I never spend too much on playing SF, but Alpha 3 MAX on PSP got me hooked. It had extra characters like Maki and you could assign button for supers. It made me confident and It was the moment i realised i will never stop playing it. It was the reason i started to make deeper research on SF and actually spend time in training mode. I wish Capcom releases something similiar in the future.
7:18 While what Daigo said is true from the business perspective of selling the game. But a true fighting game fan would never want that. Players that stop playing the game because they can't beat stronger players are just not a true competitive player, they just want quick satisfaction without grinding or practice. Might as well stick to casual games. But the reality is that the gaming industry today is motivated not by making the best game anymore, but rather games that sell, pandering to casual gamers which make up most of the market. And then selling in game purchase or season passes for big money.
what if SFV add a tech throw bar? when u tech throw, your opponent tech throw bar increase. then when this tech throw bar is full. u get a "hard hit" in your next hit and frame advantage or gain a new move or combo chance.
A3 is by far the best SF. Even as strong as Akuma and Dhalsim are, they aren’t infallible unlike characters like ST Vega, A2 Rose/Chun, 3S Yun/Chun. It’s also a game where lower tiers can be competent, including Dan who isn’t dead last in the tier list.
I really think it's all about personal preference. Because of my living situation growing up, I actually played Alpha 3 before 2. So I've always had a strong opinion about 3 being waaayyy better than 2. In the past I've gone so far with my opinion that I use to tell newcomers to the series "skip the first 2 and just start playing 3". I know that's pretty cynical but that was just MY opinion (not trying to offend anyone). Even with Vism mode. Regardless how broke it is, It's useless in a competitive match if you are not a skilled player. Don't get me wrong, alpha 2 is a great game. I just think it's comes down to individual taste.
i didnt play alpha 3 enough to make any authoritative statements about it, but your statement seems extremely unlikely; top 10 maybe, but number 1? i don't think it even comes close.
@@blyrax trust me most of the people bigging up alpha 3 saying its the greatest sf game ever are not the guys that played it at arcades at tourneys maybe some might be, but for the most part those guys are exceptions to the rule, alpha 3 is a bad sf game it has wack ass hitboxes wack ass damage wack ass zoning wack ass combo variety WITHOUT vism, most people saying alpha3 is great probably had the home version played world tour a few times saw that the home version had a shitload of extra chracters and thought the game was great, if you removed vism from the game the game would have died instantly the game was just that plain and dry, all you would have seen is A sim dominate had A chun to, vism saved this game from being a complete boring joke
@@leonleon3267 lol! I hear you, boss. I had the arcade version and the ps2 version; I don't think i played them as in depth as you did, but based on my limited experience, I'm going to make a bold statement and say there's no way this game could possibly come close to being the best sf game. Frankly, I'm not even convinced it's in the top 10. I played 3rd strike even less than I played alpha 3, but there's no way this games better than 3rd strike.
When daigo decides to pack it in from being pro player, he should be hired by capcom to get all his ideas on creating SF x which would be the best fighting game ever.
![[ENG SUB] Daigo discusses the difference between OLD and NEW fighting games](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TBbrSgeqkOQ/mqdefault.jpg)
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7:12 Translation error.
"Only mania can have fun with X-ISM and Z-ISM. These are too honest (authentic) for normal players."
You’re right! I definitely had the wrong context on my mind when translating that part 😖
Ah. That makes much more sense.
Wait, so only "hardcore players" have fun with X-ism and Z-ism?
Because I'm not that good and I find V-ism very difficult to play with.
@@welon17 it's more like v-ism is so much better than the other two in almost all cases. Not using it is crippling yourself.
@@welon17 I think that what Daigo meant is that a lot of V-ism stuff is just flashyness, like very long combos. Once you reach the skill level at which players can land those combos, every time that one happens the mindgame just stops. No neutral, no zoning, no nothing, just like at least 10 seconds of watching one character bounce. X/A-ism is more pure. It's more about playing neutral/footsies all the time, which unless you really really love street fighter, you might find more boring than doing flashy combos.
EDIT: You don't have to be thaaat hardcore to do v-ism stuff. I can do some v-ism combos (sakura's and ryu's), but I suck at every other aspect of the game. I think that by "hardcore" Daigo means REALLY hardcore people, those who have been playing for years and years.
"If Capcom makes a fair game... no one would play it." Mind-boggling deep quote there. In all my years of playing Street Fighter, I never considered that truth, but it is so true. People say they want fair, but they really want fun.
@DeadMemes NeedToStayDead dark phoenix agrees
I respectfully disagree, SF4 towards the end became a really balanced game.
Thats why its so amazing, and its support was everything!
Would you guys consider Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting fair, just out of curiosity? I love playing that online on the 30th Anniversary Collection. There are one or two seemingly unbalanced characters, but in essence, one can't spam their way or play carelessly to win. You actually have be good, otherwise you get punished for your mistakes.
@@NY-Buddy Super Street Fighter IV was insanely balanced but it was also incredibly boring.
Of course in hindsight it's funny because everyone thought AE would be like a Super Turbo hype mode for SF4 and while it was nutty most people bitched about how good Yun was after popping off that Third Strike was getting representation.
I think the right amount of bullshit needs to be in a fighting game to work. MVC is kind of an extreme example, it was hype and people loved it but it skewed HEAVY in the unfair spectrum. I think SF4 skewed a little too strongly toward fairness overall in it's lifespan. It needs to be a little faster and a little more punishing to players within reason.
@@JusRed48 Marvel is actually hype because of characters and the fact that when the vs games came out, Air Combos were the coolest things EVER!!
Mvc3 is just play for money while it stays stupidly broken
Ah SFA3, the game that got me into Street Fighter well after I started getting into fighting games with Tekken. I love the Steet Fighter series, and Alpha/Zero 3 will always have a special place in my heart as being on of the best fighting games I've ever played. Its tied with Third Strike as my favorite Street Fighter game ever.
Me too
I REALLY REALLY love how energetic daigo is...seems like he really enjoyed this game
Hearing Daigo call Alpha/Zero3 a masterpiece is so awesome
Him talking about with so much energy, he really enjoyed the game :,)
The whole stream was like this. This is just the Alpha 3 part, but he also talked about SF2/3/4/5 during the stream, and it was all lively. I think he just really likes teaching people about SF and fighting games. He's really an FGC treasure.
Part of His youth, of course He has good memories👍
@@Emezie I still would love to see him talk about Guilty Gear more. Just the idea of him exposing it to more people is great, especially with his wisdom.
This game is absolutely stunning, on every front, the presentation is the best it's ever been in the series, there's a coherent story, the attention to details both visually and mechanically is crazy and the game is absurdly fun both casually and competitively.
Thanks for the video. I always wanted to hear Daigo talk about Alpha 3
Me 2 man alot of people shit on alpha 3 their the ones getting bodied by v-ism cause they dont know how to use it themselves
@@ReallyPhilly215
I love alpha 3 myself, but the game would be better without v-ism
@@ReallyPhilly215 well, it needs balance. VISM is too powerful. It will be perfect if reduce 50% of the vism time or power.
Never thought somebody would echo my thoughts on Alpha 3.
Not just that but one of the top sf competitors to boot
Echo my thoughts II
@@OddSaucehe’s the goat
agree. 03 remains one of my favorite in the series. it's a game where footsies REALLY counted. You had to use EVERYTHING you have to win the game.
3:57 the wisdom of a GOD. i dont usually hear the praises for alpha 3, i love alpha3 specially the world tour mode. getting to customize your character then fight ur homeboys... it was AMAZING!!
Thanks for this translation! Daigo has so much detailed insight into fighting game design! I love that he considers how these mechanics also affect players and the community.
Glad we agree that this was THE BEST street fighter!!
Side note: aside from RNG orbs, Pocket Fighter was also a really good fighting game
Pocket Fighter is the greatest fighting game ever. period!
The game is not only because of the guard crush system a masterpiece! Its the overall gameplay, the feeling of a real dynamic fight and thats why alpha 3 max is always the best street fighter.
3rd strike is better
FOR NOW nope not at all
@@bartdude82 it is better
@@fornow753 Can you explain why this is?
Yes correctly!
If 3rd was that great, daigo would have Said that.(right in this Video)
Thank you so much for translating his talks.
I didn't want this video to end XD
I didn't think about all this but after watching this video it makes sense why I like king of fighters so much. And king of fighters 13 specifically capitalizes on all these alternative mechanics to open people up with out heavy reliance on throw.
The hop system allows the high low mixups, similar to vampire savior despite being a bit slower. While also having a guard break option to break the defense of an opponent. Plus it still holds the classic F/B+HP/HK throw option which also reduces the reliance on throws on offense. And to top it off despite all the alternative methods to opening people up throws are still entirely useful which is pretty amazing game design.
All these paired with KOFs great defensive options, guard cancel blowback/roll, fall break, standard roll, all the varied hops. I would say King of Fighters is the King of Fair fighting game mechanics. Although combo wise kof games can tend to be anything but fair lol
Hearing Daigo say GODLIKE is my new fav thing
Outside of the competitive and over game balance aspect....SFA3 is THE definitive most thought out creative greatest SF game that Capcom ever made.
Best competitive SF is a tie between SF2 series or SF3S
Yet, no one remembers the jank... conveniently.
YES it's what I've been saying for years! Remove V-Ism and the game is PERFECT
Agree with this. That’s why alpha3 is my favorite fighting game.
The game is perfect from just a fan of the series too music stages supers even dhalsim is cool in this game old school ryu and ken special intro bump fist ken gives ryu a nuggy and ken throws ryu godlike announcer go for broke
You mean remove air recovery . And then the game is perfect 😉
Perfect?! On what planet or version? Dee Jay's rolling sobat kick didn't combo it's two hits. A perfect game has a character who's two hits move doesn't combo.
@@aliasmcdoe With that clean look AND that pumping-up music AND those meter management options AND a more sophisticated guard break system, I'd say it'd be a rich man's SFII instead. I LOVE SSF2T for what it is, but Alpha 3 (especially MAX with all its single-player modes) is godlike.
Now, as for the V-ism, why not just make it last longer on block only, or nerf the damage on hit? If it was used primarily as a guard-breaking resource only, instead of being equally used to dish out ludicrous damage, then that'd solve the problem.
I feel justified, Daigo says ALPHA 3 IS A MASTERPIECE, yes, yes, my favorite SF game of all time have been approve by the lord and savior.
Man i also feel finaly justified! 😎😂
Me too. The mechanics were so cool even the air guard and air throws. Art and music too
@@mathewg1747 yes, Air guard. Hated by so many! But what options it gave you. Badly timed anti airs. Block! Air to Air attacks. Block! (The birth of "everybody has to has Air block now")
You could airblock things and THEN ground recovery. (Imagine landing on projectiles and then roll. Normally you can only Roll if you're also able to Flip. So lets say after a knock Up.
Alpha3 gents! 😎🙂
If it wasn't for the terrible soundtrack.
@@joseluki Thats intersting! I came from Alpha 1 to Alpha2 and the music amd Audio has gotten better and better. Alpha3 was a step Back in my eyes. But everyone said:"hey! The music i so great!"
I alwasy wondered If i am the only one who thought that the music and the stages are (compared to A2) are only medicore...
The legend says that back when Daigo was a small kid, each time he get himself into mischievious actions his Mom grounded him with a Flip Flop's 100 hits combo, but he answered parrying all the attacks.
I can totally pictured those moments xD
Domestic abuse
I also hold Street Fighter Alpa 3 in high regard. I still play my PSP to this day...to this day.
This was my favorite street fighter. I played this alllll sunmer long during 7th to 8th grade.
I agree with his analysis, but I think CvS2 represents the culmination and perfection of this kind of SF game. Everything that was great about A3 was done better by CvS2. Although A Groove was really strong, there were at least a couple other grooves that were viable.
The most underrated fighting game. In reality, this is the best game Capcom has made.
Its the best, thank you! 😎
The best along Rival Schools.
@@feiwong3634 and Bloody Roar: Primal Fury
Sf6 is now the best
SFA3 would be the greatest SF if V-ISM didn't exist
@neogeomaster Actually in a tier list that supposes v-ism is banned, Nash rises up a bit and becomes a relatively better character because the upper tiers have better v-ism than he does.
translate: I hate V-ism cause it requires skill and was caught in a infinite
@@Rkader11 There are genuine reasons to not like v-ism. It's an extremely powerful and repetitive mechanic that gets boring to see pretty quick and skews the balance of the game too hard.
@@Rkader11Yea right, now go back to sleep
Yeah V-ISM can be annoying but it helps characters that aren't viable in the other modes, like Karin or Charlie.
You may say it gets repetitive, but competitive play is always repetitive.
Nobody will try fancy risky combos when they're playing competitively. They'll always pick their best character and perform the most reliable combos even if they look boring.
Never understood why they didn't kept the defense break bar after Alpha. It's an amazing mechanic and prevents tedious defensive playstyles.
Well the logical answer is that they wanted to allow defensive play styles. Some players actually like to play that way
I feel Street Fighter 6 is channeling this? Is my observation off?
Nah your observation is right. They mix the guard gauge with the EX system.@@ironrex6979
@@ironrex6979Not entirely. SF6 is very offensive-oriented and you can't keep blocking all the time without getting any hits or walking forward or else you'll be burnt out.
Having THE BEAST agree that Zero/Alpha 3 is the pinnacle of Street Fighters feels better than I would've ever imagined
Agree 100%
I would agree. I really loved SFA3 especially SFA3 Max. I was disappointed when the street fighter 30th anniversary only included the arcade version. Capcom needs to release SFA3 Max with netplay or maybe a HD version of it
Nope.
I know how it feels. Arcade version looks so bland compared to home releases of the game. Even tiny things like lifebars or some animations on the hud are vastly improved on consoles.
Yes Capcom needs to release a3 stuff! 👍
back when street fighter required skill
@@welcometohell5233 every sf need skills just different way .. Stop talk shit if u re not focus on tournament play
Out of all the ports, I still believe nothing beats the Saturn version. It is seriously THE best port of the game, with a more balanced cast of characters than the Mugen-like portable ports. The speed of the Saturn port feels literally perfect, down to the smallest details and the Reverse Dramatic Battle is the best mode in all of the games. Of course, I understand why some people prefer the PSP port despite the smaller screen and horrible D-Pad, but personally I don't think anything will ever be as perfect for me as the Saturn port.
I’d love to see him demonstrate what he means regarding Vampire and Marvel.
I mean he's just saying that you can't downback everything. Tekkens the same way.
Overheads are guess-work instead of reactionary skill.
Yeah, an example.
both of those games allow air borne attacks that are close to the ground. mvc with the obvious triangle jumps and vampire savior dashing brings a lot of characters off the ground and u can attack out of that.
Street Fighter Alpha 3 and The King of Fighters '98 (GOAT)
alpha 3 is the best fighting game aesthetically. best announcer, best hud, best hit/block sounds, good music.
The announcers voice is ok but the dialogue is super bad
IVE NEVER SEEN A FIGHT LIKE TJIS BEFORE!!. LOL.
I do like the art and hud and meters though i prefer sfz2 life meters. Also they changed a lot of Dans animations and i dont like those. If i could have those changes plus some of the sfz and sfz2 BGs id be psyched.
I think you should have included the parts where he shows why throws are weak in Alpha3 (demonstrating short range, the opponent landing very far when thrown and you can't tick grab after a jump-in)
anyway, Alpha3 without V-ISM would've been much more played.
I was waiting to hear about the throws and he kept going off on tangents haha I do love his talks regardless though.
Throws aren’t weak tho. ST also had far throw distances. If anything, A3 throws are balanced here. ST and 3S throws were too strong imo.
Oh, and let alone one Thing. Until this game. Most Sf had a throw on one Button. So you could Walk Forward and "Mash" your strong or fierce and maybe you get a Punch maybe you will get a throw.
In a3 it wasn't like this anymore. You had a whiffing Animation. This is another reason why throws are "weak" in a3.
Didn’t Alpha 2 have custom combos also?
@@blacklite911 they didn't lead to infinites and crouch canceling didn't exist. V-Ism in A3 is also drastically different from custom combos in A2.
people shouldnt be surprised by this. during sf4 he talked about wanting guard crush in that(which is 100 percent what that game needed).
actually usf 4 would have been awesome with guard crush. USF 4 is very good game, but it is a little too defensive oriented. It can pretty hard to open people up short of the mixups after the knockdown
@@wildwest1832 no it wasnt. the fadc/ultra system wasnt balanced for most of the cast. do you have ways to confirm into ultra? do you have good fadc options? do you have good option selects? do you have good frame traps(ie things that blow up crouch techs things that blow up focus back dash)? these are the things that dictated your characters tier position. the first 2 years of that game i played i had no reason to fadc, it was a waste of bar for me. that isnt good design.
regardless of how you feel about 5 consider this. alex is universally seen as low tier. this low tier character has combos for over 50% dmg and gets full use out of the systems core mechanics. is g's v trigger better? of course. but it being better doesnt make alex's trigger less effective. sf5 alex in sf4(with the assumption that he can take full advantage of the systems like he can in 5) would be easily upper mid if not low high tier.
heres a direct comparison. sf4 honda had no reason to fadc. ex headbutt for days and ultra was used to anti air or punish(cant combo). sf5 honda? combing super, ex meter has plenty of options and trigger gives me corner pressure(i can also combo into it). low tier characters in 5 are mid or better in 4.
sf5s problem with normals is one thing, but mechanically 5 is better designed then 4. if you took sf4 normals(with the exception of overhead, 5 overheads are great) with 5 mechanics then you have something.
Few people know this for some reason, but you can mash out of guard crush and shorten its duration. You'd be surprised how many times I Iet the guard meter run out and mash to avoid getting supered lol.
Alpha 3 and 3rd Strike are tied for my favorite Street Fighter game. Alpha 3 has the better roster and balancing, while 3rd Strike has better fluidity and defense.
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World Tour Mode is the Jam! I remember getting the Playstation version, it was the first Street Fighter game I had owned since SSF II, I was really into DBZ at the time and this and the vs titles complimented it nicely!
I'm Also Playing This On The Epsxe Emulator
This is the most I have ever seen Diago speak.
Daigo basically says sfz 3 would have been perfect if they balanced out the v-ism in another patch. I never really played it, but I really like the idea of a guard crush guage. Its a very good system to force a good mix of defense/offense that is not in a lot of fighting games. So you need to make a decision instead of sitting there blocking for 20 minutes if you can predict the mixups
Probably my 1st and Last favourite SF game. Glad to know All might Daigo also shares the same feeling.
Thank you daigo-san for enlighten tue people about Alpha 3
Domo arigato!
Street Fighter Zero 3 is my fav street fighter of all-time... The announcer alone "FACE IT STRAAAIGHT!" 🙏
i've been saying this for the past 10+ years i'm glad it's being confirmed now
I keep telling people that Alpha 3 was one of the better Street Fighter titles.
Sfa2 is better
If it has a 3 in the title you know its a good street fighter.
@@dakid52990 3s i know what you mean
Hands down the best
Sfa3 really better fighting game
Alpha 3 was and is the best of all street fighter games in my book. The Alpha 3 cast members are a large part of SFV's success and what keeps SFV alive. ** cough ** Karin & Friends. Not just that though, the hype announcer and the dope ass soundtrack, the beautiful stages, World Tour, A-ism, V-ism, and X-ism, the Alpha Counters that used your gauge to give you that dope lighting bolt reversal. It will forever be my favorite Street Fighter, and I thank god Fightcade exists to give it the online community it deserves.
A great Text my friend!
And yes thx good for fightcade
Alpha 3/ zero 3 really is the best street fighter by far. I always say that. capcom should bring back alot from alpha 3 for street fighter 6. things like air guard, the quick roll after being knocked down, guard break, vism, xism and aism, super guard, etc. I would love to see WORLD TOUR return. it was like a simulation mode and was so fun to upgrade your fighter as you traveled around the world map fighting different fighters in each part and then the boss of that part. seriously, if you didn't play alpha 3 you better download it with an emulator and play it
World tour was so good as a single player content.
@@yrh002b8 yeah. So good. They could make it better by adding some online contents to it
Best version of Chun-li ever!
@@yrh002b8 they can find a way to make it multi-player too
@AaronRoberto 😁😁😁
Alpha 3 will always be a unique game to me. I loved it so much and played it for years but I was only able to play it on a stock Dreamcast controller. It was like looking at an amazing painting with poor eyesight.
Totally agree. Zero 3 was peak Street Fighter. He is right. Take out V-ism and this game was perfect. Back in the day we only played Z- and X-ism and it elevated the game to become better than Zero 2.
Totally agree the best street fighter ever made with the counters love it when u think u are on it u can just break cancel combos that's like proper fighting plus we could customize attribute to Ur character to make him play the way u like ...
just notice that the A-ISM in the european version (alpha 3) is called Z-ISM in zero 3 (US / international version i guess). p.s. alpha3/zero3 = best street fighter game (shin akuma/gouki lv32 worldtour with "super cancel" perk = best character in game)
I love sf alpha because of Sodom. Sick moves that are funny as well.
SFA3 is the best in the series both in gameplay and story advancement. Much of what was introduced in SFA3 is still being used today !
Great points.
Daigo: Zero(Alpha) is a kiddy game, real men play super turbo!
Also Daigo: Zero (Alpha) 3 is the masterpiece!
XD
I'll have to agree that compared to 2 and 3, alpha 1 is too short and the damage can be ridiculous. I play it just like a fastfood snack, still fun though for a short break.
@@ricothesnake4608 I believe he was talking about alpha 2 tho, because Daigo said "Nuki is just an alpha two champ". It was pretty hilarious.
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He also said this in a stream with Nuki, and Nuki rebuked "you're still on about that lmao!"
the first alpha was too broken to be taken seriously competitively, there were block string infinites and shit
@@ricothesnake4608 And alpha2 feels (gameplay wise) like Demo to alpha3.
It doesn't have the honesty Like daigo mentioned.
@@SoysauceML I have alpha 1, 2 and 3 on my 30th anniversy collection, so I commented on all three as I play them all.
This was one of my favourite games as a kid, used to get wasted by mate all the time but it gave me my love for fighting games
I wish he talked about z and x ism some more. I've only seen people choose v in serious play.
Zero 3
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Thanks for this! Any chance of translating the parts on SF2? I’ve never seen him play CPS1, would love to hear his thoughts.
Daigo should direct his own fighting game some day.
My friend and I use to play a lot of the Zero series. We both came to like Zero 2 Alpha (aka Alpha 2 Gold) the best. Throws in Alpha 3 are worthless because a very easy tech can reduce the damage to basically a single pixel. I get what Daigo is saying here; that guard crush makes throwing redundant. But if they wanted to make throws this weak, they should have just taken them out of the game. Throws are only effective against new players in this game, so that just makes it harder for newer players to win against better players. Then there's the extreme damage scaling in this game, which makes combo-centric characters weaker than they should be. People say that it's so cool that you can do super moves or custom combos, but you could do BOTH of those in Zero 2; you didn't have to choose between them.
there are a lot of characters in alpha 3 with obscene damage output. Ground throws have niche uses, and air throws can be pretty good.
Alpha 3 is surely the best looking game
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Alpha 3 was my first real fighter i got good with.
SFA3 ALWAYS HAVE BEEN MY FAVOUTIRE, AND DAIGO TALKING ABOUT IT , IT MEANS A LOT FOR ME ! SFA3 BEST MUSIC, BEST CHARACTERS, BEST IMAGE , BEST PLAYABILITY, VERY TECHNICAL GAME, AND THEN ALSO MY SECOND FAVOURITE CAPCOM VS SNK 2
SFA3 or SFZ3 is my favorite fighting game. I agreed Daigo. VISM is too strong, it will be perfect it reduce 50% of the VISM power or time.
See this is agreeable
Daigo was always my favorite SF player and i am so glad that he consideres Alpha 3 a masterpiece. I think it is the best game ever. For me, it is also the most beautiful one. Such nice colors and alot of small details. I never spend too much on playing SF, but Alpha 3 MAX on PSP got me hooked. It had extra characters like Maki and you could assign button for supers. It made me confident and It was the moment i realised i will never stop playing it. It was the reason i started to make deeper research on SF and actually spend time in training mode. I wish Capcom releases something similiar in the future.
Yup,i agree...i really like SF Alpha 3...
7:18 While what Daigo said is true from the business perspective of selling the game. But a true fighting game fan would never want that. Players that stop playing the game because they can't beat stronger players are just not a true competitive player, they just want quick satisfaction without grinding or practice. Might as well stick to casual games. But the reality is that the gaming industry today is motivated not by making the best game anymore, but rather games that sell, pandering to casual gamers which make up most of the market. And then selling in game purchase or season passes for big money.
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What if we took the guard break system from Alpha and combined it with the parry-system of 3?
You had to Change the whole normals all together.
Daigo = The Steve Rogers of Street Fighter.
can someone explain me the problem with v-ism ????
Loved the guard break mechanic, but if it will be implemented for SFVI it needs to be compleletly analyzed in a high level play standard
All the praise for SFZ3 while using SFZ2 bezel
Street Fighter Alpha/Zero 3 never day on Psone!
Thank you Daigo-san for covering the mechanics of the best Street Fighter in the series ✊
And thank you for saying that about Alpha 3!
Even though i can't use V-Ism to save my life, i love Alpha 3. My 2nd favourite SF game.
Ive always said if SFA3 didnt have Vism the game would of been perfect.
This is why Daigo loves the Drive Gauge in SF6
what if SFV add a tech throw bar? when u tech throw, your opponent tech throw bar increase. then when this tech throw bar is full. u get a "hard hit" in your next hit and frame advantage or gain a new move or combo chance.
Save that for sf 6
Its the best fighting game period
Almost never used x-ism or z-ism. But its ok to remove v-ism in favor.
Sees Guard Block
Goichi = *nervous sweating*
The street fighter zero trilogy Is a masterpiece
i really like v-ism it looks really freaking cool man
One of the best SF games...I’m still going with 3rd Strike at the top of the 🏔.
A3 is by far the best SF. Even as strong as Akuma and Dhalsim are, they aren’t infallible unlike characters like ST Vega, A2 Rose/Chun, 3S Yun/Chun. It’s also a game where lower tiers can be competent, including Dan who isn’t dead last in the tier list.
Thank you for saying this good stuff about A3!
To me SF Zero 3 feels like a party. Very fun and exciting to play.
That was interesting, any chance you could translate more of it?
I suck with V-ism which always kept me away from giving Alpha 3 a lot of time. Same with A groove in CVS2 but at least you can still win with C.
I wanted to see daigo-san play a few rounds with Ryu!
could you tl the hole video?
I really think it's all about personal preference. Because of my living situation growing up, I actually played Alpha 3 before 2. So I've always had a strong opinion about 3 being waaayyy better than 2. In the past I've gone so far with my opinion that I use to tell newcomers to the series "skip the first 2 and just start playing 3". I know that's pretty cynical but that was just MY opinion (not trying to offend anyone). Even with Vism mode. Regardless how broke it is, It's useless in a competitive match if you are not a skilled player. Don't get me wrong, alpha 2 is a great game. I just think it's comes down to individual taste.
Wow he sounds so excited
I agree. V-ISM broke that game. Otherwise, it's the best SF game out there, no contest.
thats like saying without infinents mvc2 to is the best game ever, come on bro
i didnt play alpha 3 enough to make any authoritative statements about it, but your statement seems extremely unlikely; top 10 maybe, but number 1? i don't think it even comes close.
@@blyrax trust me most of the people bigging up alpha 3 saying its the greatest sf game ever are not the guys that played it at arcades at tourneys maybe some might be, but for the most part those guys are exceptions to the rule, alpha 3 is a bad sf game it has wack ass hitboxes wack ass damage wack ass zoning wack ass combo variety WITHOUT vism, most people saying alpha3 is great probably had the home version played world tour a few times saw that the home version had a shitload of extra chracters and thought the game was great, if you removed vism from the game the game would have died instantly the game was just that plain and dry, all you would have seen is A sim dominate had A chun to, vism saved this game from being a complete boring joke
@@leonleon3267 MvC2 is still a great game without the infinites. In fact, it would have been a lot better without them.
@@leonleon3267 lol! I hear you, boss. I had the arcade version and the ps2 version; I don't think i played them as in depth as you did, but based on my limited experience, I'm going to make a bold statement and say there's no way this game could possibly come close to being the best sf game. Frankly, I'm not even convinced it's in the top 10. I played 3rd strike even less than I played alpha 3, but there's no way this games better than 3rd strike.
“Like the Marie Antionette of fighting game”
What does that mean??
I'm asking this myself. Its a japanese Thing? 🤔
The lady is french of course, but the meaning for fighting Games...?
it means something iconic but ill-fated, like Marie Antoinette
@@piratesephiroth That's a great explanation. Thank you. 2:25 is where he says it by the way.
lol I know, I was wondering if Daigo was really into Kirsten Dunst or something... glad someone explained it
I read a bit about Mary Antionette on wikipedia and I can't figure out why he said Alpha Zero is like the Mary Antionette of fighting games.
Maybe because she was the last queen of France?
@@brandonkellner4053OK, what does that have to do with Alpha Zero?
@@PhilomathBret I'm guessing it was a fighting game worthy of a crown that the people rejected.
Diago now looks addicted to Chrono
When daigo decides to pack it in from being pro player, he should be hired by capcom to get all his ideas on creating SF x which would be the best fighting game ever.
Only things I didn't like about Alpha 3 am was the counter hit and the command recovery