the tiktok shop reckoning
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A few months ago I made a video about tiktok shop and how I felt it was infecting the app and making it borderline unusable. A few things have happened since then, but mainly, a mass raid just happened shutting down allegedly thousands of tiktok shop sellers shops. Almost all have reported they recieved the violations for "copycat" or "copyright" reasons. Let's talk about dupes, stolen IP, and less than legally gotten funds.
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It was simply RIDICULOUS how many of these ppl cried that "I didn't do anything wrong! They shut down my shop for no reason!" And then I would click on their page and see DISNEY IP. Bestie, you're lucky tiktok shut you down before the mouse kicked down your door
They're lucky Nintendo didn't find out and turn them into a debt-slave until they pay Nintendo $10 million dollars.
Omg I can’t imagine people being stupid enough to sell big Coompany IP merch 💀 on TikTok.
"Before the mouse kicked down your door"
That pictute in my head of Mickey Mouse kicking in the front door and screaming "IT'S PAYDAY BITCHES" in his classic Mickey-voice is just too hilarious to my.
i have to thank you for that.
That mouse doesn't screw around
@@finyafuxfell3031😂😂😂😂
The amount of people who don't understand that if they make money online, or get paid online, you need to report it to the IRS is insane.
Cause the IRS will get disrespectful.
it's a real life "I don't care who the IRS sends, I'm not paying taxes"
some people aren't in america and their equivalent of IRS won't pursue them because the cost of pursuing them is more costly
they will learn it the hard way when they login into their IRS online accounts..
The amount of money intuit spends to lobby the government so that the irs doesn’t just tell you how much you owe is insane
"TikTok should tell them they have to pay taxes." If you don't know that you need to pay taxes for your business, you shouldn't be in business.
Tbf... TikTok is a child-based app. Children can make money. Children aren't taught how to do taxes by school + the last two generations of parents are lazy. Coding in a line about paying taxes isn't hard. PayPal has it. OnlyFans has it. Literally anything you can make money on online has a tax disclaimer somewhere. They say whether they take it out themselves or if you have to do it yourself, at the very least.
What should they do instead?
Honestly, might be a good idea for TikTok (and any other platform with similar options for businesses) to make sure users look into the laws around selling products and paying taxes before they decide to use their platform for business. They shouldn’t have to but it still might be a good idea if allowing anyone to sell through your platform
@genericname8727 why is it the platforms job?
If you start a company, any company, it's up to you, the owner, to learn what laws and regulations are in place.
Asking for tiktok to spoonfeed you is ridiculous and straight down degrading
They should teach this shit in school....
As an illustrator, with the number of people who have told me "everything on Google images is public domain" without a single solitary lick of irony? None of this surprises me.
I also don’t know how people use the likeness of artists to sell illustrations on t-shirts and stickers. People make their own merch now and are selling it as a business. They don’t know there are copyright laws and artists have rights. You can’t use peoples names and expect to make money of it without trouble.
If I can get the image it’s public domain 🥴
@@kelseywillow8110how do artist have more rights than almost any employee everyone is on camera at work most have to agree to have their likeness used for their boss to make money
@@nothanks9503 Please tell me you're not actually that dumb.
Edited to add you need to look up what public domain actually means before you make statements like that, because whatever you're thinking? That ain't it.
@@nothanks9503 Good Lord just say you don't understand anything at all about licensing, usage rights, intellectual property, and how expectation of privacy in public has _absolutely NOTHING_ to do with a person's likeness being used without authorization to make money. And that's not even touching on fair use and derivative works.
I hope to god you're just really young.
titkok is honestly the best spelling mistake I’ve ever seen 😭😭 love u swell
I hope she keeps the title, its so funny
I hope she doesn’t change it
My dyslexic butt didn't even noticed after i read your comment twice and scrolled down to see another comment saying the same thing 💀 i thought it was just misspelling because of the lack of uppercase letters
I laughed SO hard :p
PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE IT
I didn't realize people had the audacity to just sell drugs via tiktok, that is wild.
Lmao SoundCloud rapper turned into tiktok drug dealers
*titkok.
I've been getting follows for people selling 🍄 for a while on instagram. And for lil square connected pieces of paper.
They'll mass follow folk, probably based on tags? I've posted pictures via late night parties that have clothing checks. I immedietly block, that's a dumb way to sell 🍄. Also, I live in San Francisco, I just need to go to a specific parks on weekends (sometimes even weekdays) if I want 🍄s.
They do it on Etsy too.
I'm getting weed gummies on TH-cam for my ads
Safiya Nygaard making a video about fakes being sold on tiktok and tiktok then sweeping their sellers is a hilarious coincidence
I don’t think it’s a coincidence. I think someone on their team saw the video and freaked out.
If you're talking about the dress video, I'm pretty sure the dresses themselves are perfectly legal (they're dupes rather than fakes). The issue was the paid for ads used people's videos without their permission and showed the original dress that was being duped rather than the dress that you would receive if you brought from them. (I don't think any of the examples she shew actually used the tiktok shop.)
@@kaspianepps7946the postings are false advertising.
@@kaspianepps7946
Shew lol?
yeah same i thought of this video too. safiya has a massive reach im sure this reached a higher up or pr manager
I've always imagined Tiktok shop as one of those old-time-y bazaars and so I'm very amused by the idea of a swat team with the Tiktok logo on their helmets dancing through the aisles kicking over fruit stands full of off-brand Squishmallows.
😹😹😹😹
Man, imagining that now is hilarious.
It reminds me of that scene in bee movie where SWAT team was raiding store for honey
it’s *titkok
No bc this is literally what I imagine when Amanda kept saying "the sweep" 😅
It really always amazes me that our generation can be so anti-capitalist and so vulnerable to consumerism at the same time. Great video as always Amanda 😊
Excellent point!
Marketing is SO good that half the time we don't even realise we're being sold to. It's insane and it's everywhere
it's also not necessarily the same people lol
We live in a society
@@anon3263because often its not planned strategic marketing its a materialist culture. There are people who don't make money from it trying to sell you a lipstick because they hope that maybe the lipstick hype sells them
Im so tired of platforms becoming monetized. We have an infection of consumerism.
Advertisers will find any way into a community
capitalism should be regulated. thanks to reagan era policies that gutted a lot of protections for consumers, we're nose-diving into a dystopia.
The problems is that platforms need to make money to stay in business. If they don't make money, they can't pay employees and other hired staff. (Striving for mass profit being separate from breaking even, of course.)
@@Karools_Scribs There's a really unhealthy tendency for new social media to aquire users at any cost, and just assume they will be able to monetize them somehow once they reach critical mass. When the platform has reached a certain maturity (tiktok is around that stage) they start ramping up advertisement density, copyright takedowns, micro-transactions, subscription fees, etc. Eventually people get fed up and jump ship to a platform that hasn't yet reached this stage.
I think we will either have to get comfortable with a low subscription fee for every user or start a government run social media. Those are the only sustainable options, in my opinion, to break the social media boom-bust cycle.
When I was a kid, we would go pee during commercials. Only old people tuned into the Home Shopping Network. Now, you youngsters willingly scroll commercials and call it social media content. Ok. I NEVER buy anything endorsed by an influencer. Half the time, it looks like garbage.
It's so frustrating as someone selling on etsy and trying to drum up business on social media, and trying to do things the right way and not getting very far, while people dropship or do illegal things and make so much money and get so much more attention.
Honestly, I'm glad tiktok took a stand against it. I wish etsy would.
Right? Like I’m working so hard to create quality original designs, and am growing so slowly. Then I see other makers in my same niche getting tons of sales and followers by selling products with licensed characters and mass produced items. The Michaels MakerPlace supposedly doesn’t allow items like that, but as they grow, those items are slowly sneaking in under the radar. They just can’t individually check every seller and listing anymore.
ugh YES etsy is full of dropshipping and cheap copies! its so frustrating as someone who went to etsy for the small businesses and handmade goods
Big agree!!
ugh YES etsy is full of dropshipping and cheap copies! its so frustrating as someone who went to etsy for the small businesses and handmade goods
@@emrysj4388 And then the customers get used to buying things made commercially, so then when they buy something actually handmade they leave a negative review. It's such bullshit.
"naiveté is not an excuse for bad business" PREACH
It's gonna be wild in a decade seeing a bunch of people in their 20s with tax fraud on their rap sheet.
Exactly!! I saw someone who was selling makeup and they advertised it incorrectly and the product didn’t work well AT ALL! It was a mistake but when people complained their fans were like “You should say it nicer” and “She already knows! After like ten people complained you should just stop with tell her she knows!” Or “It was just a mistake she didn’t know!”
I get people shouldn’t be mean but saying “Hey I bought this product from you and it doesn’t work” it not being mean. Everyone has a right to tell her that even if other people also have told her they have problems. It being a mistake and her being naive and not knowing isn't an excuse it's a business they bought a product.
The quality of ads say everything about a company. Temu has that canned voice-to-speech, because they give zero fs about quality.
Tiktok shop's first ad had a jingle that cut off before it was done because they couldn't be bothered to make sure it fit into the ad space.
Marketing tells all.
Almost every single ad I've gotten for the tiktok shop was just... clearly ai generated photos?
Temu is kinda genius tbh. It's the same quality as shein, or AliExpress, ect. So yeah it's garbage, but they basically found a way to rapidly ship those goods so you wouldn't have to wait the three months to buy garbage at those other chinese retailers, which does make them more desirable for people who want to buy that cheap shit. It's all garbage, they're selling, but honestly a smart business plan.
Temu in Germany has ads with music and that stupid jingle gets stuck in my head constantly i hate it so much. But at least it's Not Text to speech voice
@@lolno6465omg that Temu song is going to be the death of me😭😭😭🤩
The AI must have gotten even cheaper because the way it's saying the company name isn't the same
I wish Etsy and Amazon would ban drop shipping. I see the same product from different sellers with random letter names, and I just immediately know it will be in a 100 pk on Ali Express.
They will never ban it, especially not Amazon. It’s their source of income after all
AI art too ugh. Etsy should at least require shops to disclose whether items are mass produced or using AI art. I think a lot of buyers would not buy these things if they knew.
The fact they are marketing 'custom' gifts in December is them pushing drop shippers with premade goods, not actual customizing that takes time
Poshmark also has people showing stock photos but then what arrives is not as described and Drop Ship...
Etsy more than Amazon tbh, Amazon has always been dropship adjacent
Nahhh I have no sympathy for a lot of the TikTok shops that got shut down bEfOrE tHe HoLiDaYs, because guess what - they had zero qualms about taking advantage of buyers spending their hard earned money during the holidays. My sympathy goes to the people who would have been scammed just trying to get holiday presents for their families. Scammers and people selling drugs to kids, but cry that receiving the consequences of their own actions is "unfair" is wild lol.
This whole situation is hilarious. People can’t really be stupid enough to think the sales tax was them paying their taxes. PLEASE that sent me
When I was a small child I saw Corey from That's So Raven say he did his taxes even though he's a kid and I was confused cuz I was a kid and I also had to pay sales tax when I bought stuff so I didn't get why it was special. Then I got my first job and I learned the wonders of all the taxes I have to pay that rich people circumvent. 9_9 Honestly how can these people pretend to be functioning adults who know anything about the world when they don't even understand how basic income works??
I once had a man scream at me because the juice he was buying said it would cost $1.50 on the sticker in the cooler but obviously once sales tax was added it was slightly more. Then the woman in line behind him started yelling about it too. These two people 100% did not know each other. They were just two middle aged adults yelling at a teenager about how juice wasn't exempt from sales tax. I can assure you people are in fact that stupid.
It should be tax was supposed to be a temporary thing it says it in the laws
@@pinkdarkboy7127a rich guy told me they are allowed to circumvent taxes because they have huge expenses to pay usually like payroll and overhead but the thing is we also have to pay for those things if we ever want to run a business but we also have to have paid for everything they didn’t have to pay for (taxes and extra expenses for not buying in bulk etc) on the way to paying for that other stuff
@@nothanks9503 yeah, but that’s obviously not how the world works rn. Just bc it was suppose to be temporary doesn’t mean you can evade taxes lol
honestly after the whole pink sauce lady fiasco, including the legal trouble she's in now, i'm kind of surprised this didn't happen sooner. tiktok (and social media in general) is not exactly populated by people who understand business, or copyright, or the law as it applies to what they're doing...or basic reality sometimes.
There are some artists like Colette Bernard who have been using the platform successfully to promote their stuff but have not been doing Tiktok shop. She has been doing a series of hair pins inspired by careers like a orange medical bottle for pharmacists and a tooth for dentists and has been having so much success from the marketing on there. She is a example of a artist who is doing an amazing job. There are many smart business people too like Nicole Brennan who have been using it to advertise what conventions they go to
@@ravenpotter3 that's pretty cool for her but it really feels like you're just trying to sell me on someone you like.
obviously a few folks are gonna do this online business thing right but that doesn't really detract from the thousands of randos who barely know what they're doing and making everything slightly worse for the effort
I've always been suspicious of Tiktok shop and its coupons. I'd rather spend more from a creators store where I know that they will get the promised profits than accidentally screw over an artist.
I never liked it either.
Also I’ve heard it has a insane expectation for turn around with how fast stuff is packaged and sent out. Like increasingly unrealistic expecting it to be done in a day. Or it punishes people. At least that is what I’ve heard.
@@ravenpotter3 oohh yikes so people have to basically become machines lol.
Absolutely with you there, I saw some reels that got (re?)posted on Instagram about "got this order for X product and apparently this person got my product for pennies uwu!" and the product was one that an artist or maker actually made and created and it made me super grateful to not be on tiktok because omg how is that ok??? And the attitude they have to project of "this is perfectly fine but isn't this funny" is so difficult to see because I have had this nagging suspicion that tiktok does not, in fact, make up the price difference but the artist **still** has to ship it out or have their shop nuked and basically the whole thing is f*cked
Wait I'm confused, I'm an artist with a shop but new to tiktok, so people not like it? I also sell on my site and Etsy. Should I just focus on those platforms?
I have had an issue with shipping but I figured it was how I set something up and not the space as a whole.
I think the problem with social media stores is you’re having people that have no knowledge of how businesses/copyright actually work sell stuff thinking it’s just an easy way of making money. I’m guessing it’s mainly people straight out of high school who haven’t experienced how serious the IRS takes income tax
Agree 💯
Dropshipping was already a huge problem because there's a very low barrier to entry, inviting anyone with a tiktok account to sell stuff is an easy way to make it worse.
Yeah it's worrisome. My family owns a business our self employment taxes almost took us out.
there's also the people that think anything on google images is free game, despite there being a thing under each image that says it may be subject to copyright, in artist groups I'm in I've heard about the ~cricut ladies~ who think they can put any image on google on something for sale or like don't understand why no, you can't put something straight from Disney on a tumbler
@@jennaprizmto be fair, even Disney doesn't go after most copyright infringement unless it gets suitably big. The IRS tracks unreported DIGITAL INCOME way closer. If you're not doing a cash business, you really gotta report your income. (Not encouraging tax fraud if yoy do a cash business, just saying thats how some people get away with it. Digital transactions are harder to hide and leave paper trails)
The “why didn’t TikTok teach us this before opening shops” is funny because so many issues that we see nowadays are things that people used to learn in school, on the job, from other people, etc, and now people are frequently learning from TikTok before and more than any of those other sources.
tbh i dont think school has ever taught about paying taxes, math has small section on how to count it these days
@@BlueCrystalBat Whenever my dad tried to help me with my math homework and I would say I didn’t know when in life I would ever need to know this, he would say that I may not need to know *this thing* in particular but it was teaching me to think in a certain way. So school might not have taught us how to pay taxes but for me at least, I just put the numbers on my W-2 into a program and it does it for me, and school taught me how to read, follow directions, and use critical thinking on the computer. So in a way, it did help me with taxes.
@@samlangmeadalso tax coded shift every so often. Its not pike you can learn it at 16 and call it a day. Like you said, its about critical thinking and understanding how to find the resources, which are FOR SURE out there
@@ruminationstation4200 this is definitely true but I think we can all acknowledge that there is no basic level of schooling that makes taxes or business regulations easy to understand for the vast majority of people
Not to mention they are a Chinese company- you are asking them how to be an American?
I was an Etsy seller. Same thing there. People would say “idk why my store was dinged.” And everything is Disney inspired
A person on TikTok was complaining that their shop was shut down. Someone responded, "That's what happens when you use someone else's copyright!" I looked at the responder's shop and pointed out that they had at least three violations at a glance. I pointed this out, they responded, "Where?" and instantly--I mean INSTANTLY--removed their original post, the response to me, and made their account private. (I checked; I was not blocked.)
classic, tale as old as time
Back in my day, people didn’t cry online that their illegal side hustle got busted and expect sympathy- let’s go back to that.
Sounds like back in your day there was no internet
They did. There just wasn't the drama community that delights in putting the spotlight to their behavior.
@@UlshaRS I’ve never seen any of the girls selling knock-off designer or the guys selling dime bags try to get sympathy online lol
@@respawnlock666 I’m not gen x 😭 lol I’m 28 I’m talking about the people selling knockoff bags/weed or whatever else
What internet are you talking about? There has been huge dark web busts that have had insane court cases because the person refuses to admit their wrong doing.
I think a situation like this just magnifies how little some people who start their own business or self employed era✨actually understand business on a technical level. A lot of people just go after the bag first, which ain’t bad cuz get yo money sis but the laws and economics of business management seems to be an after thought, and with not everyone having an understanding or background in it other than self help mlm people online that you watched for a couple months, you’re basically going into the field blind because not everyone wants to talk about the licensing, laws, and accounting of it all (especially with mlm’s because their whole purpose is to just sell you things and prey on your ignorance) and before you know it you’re in trouble with the government.
I get so frustrated with all the “start your own business” content that basically tells you to also post the exact same content on social media but offers minimal and vague information about the actual business part of it.
It’s basically just becoming a social media influencer that is in the “business” niche, what you sell doesn’t matter because it’s more about the views you get from “teaching” others how to do what you are doing.
So now we end up with a bunch of people who have no idea what they are doing getting more people into this cycle. And then the people who actually sell their own creative work or products have to compete with all the nonsense drop shipping products with stolen designs, not to mention that customers are getting confused or duped into buying crap.
The one thing that makes me super hesitant to start a creative business of any kind is exactly that part about the technical stuff, like portioning out income to save for tax season, or licensing and copyright issues (I'm into yarn and fiber and one thing I wonder about is if people are properly licensing the IP they are using as creative inspiration, whether movie franchise or TV show or video game), or the logistics of physical products and mailers and bubble wrap and going to the post office and paying yourself enough while also putting money back into the business (etc etc). Thanks to people like Amanda (and even people like Cheyenne Barton who talk about having an art/stationery shop), I have a more realistic idea of what things like that could and do look like and just…. I'm not into it. I like just getting paid and not having to worry about all of the logistics.
That said, it can be incredibly rewarding and that part is cool.
It really is nuts. I started a digital business that, at first, didn't make a lot of money and I still started claiming it on my taxes as soon as I was making money off it. I know lots of other people doing this were just not reporting it and hoping the IRS doesn't notice, but now the platform is required to report to income to the IRS and people are all confused lol
As a note, do not delete any records "to protect yourself". This can also be extremely illegal. Definitely consider making accounts private and removing your online presence. But consider taking screenshots before deleting anything. As soon as you know that there is a possibility that legal action can be brought against you, you may have an obligation to preserve records. Unless your business has a well-researched retention schedule that adheres to laws and guidelines, I would not delete your records. This isn't legal advice, but this is something that can be found with a basic google search.
The punishment for destroying records is most likely gonna be less than the punishment for committing multiple felonies by shipping illegal drugs over state borders
I literally just turned in a paper on TikTok shop, why couldn’t this have come out before that. Swell is my primary resource
oh cool what class was that for?
I hope you get a good grade!
"at 3 am in the middle of the night" my friends they are a chinese company, thats like 4pm for them.
They really said, "the fallout is tomorrow's problem"
i thought it was so smart that you filtered tiktok terms to get shop posts off your fyp. i went to go do that and it legit told me “some words can’t be filtered” when i tried to block the word “sponsored” 😭
I would think Tiktok of all places would scream MASSIVE "red flag" for shopping to everyone.
I have bought exactly one thing in TikTok shop. It was a cheap watercolor palette. I was looking for something to “play” with (as opposed to my insanely expensive professional watercolors which start at $10 for an oz tube). I was decently impressed with what I saw in the videos for a cheap pallet (but understood that it would still leave something to be desired). I got it and it was fine. A little worse than the videos but still better than other “cheap” palette I have gotten on the past.
However after I bought that watercolor palette I was absolutely driven bonkers with ads for that same watercolor palette. It was enough to make me NEVER want to buy anything ever again. Every other video was an “eligible for commission” for this stupid palette.
it’s so weird when they recommend something you already bought. Like, why would i buy the same thing twice? It’s not even similar things, straight up the same product
The way i know exactly what palette it is 😭😭
@@meow-db3jb if you want a good honest review with literally no skin in the game… it is a good beginner palette. I would say on par with the koi palette that was popular a number of years years ago but includes shimmer and neon shades. Definitely better than arteza but not as good as cotman and a far cry from professional watercolors. But it is a good beginner watercolor palette with lots of colors so you didn’t have to mix every color (which can be daunting when starting out). They are a bit opaque for my liking but that comes with all cheaper watercolors. The shimmers are extremely opaque… still need to play with them more. Usually shimmer/mica paints are very transparent so it feels so weird to me that it is so opaque.
Would be a good Christmas gift for a kid/teen instead of those awful art sets sold this time of year. I think I paid $10ish for it so the price is right given the koi palette was around $30.
@@_catx_9106TBF, watercolours do run out. Probably not as quickly as advertised but it's not like you'd never need to buy more unless you stopped using them.
I did something similar, buying a set of watercolours to mess around with, although mine weren't from online. And because I was using the same colours pretty much constantly, or at least every time I painted, those colours started running out pretty quickly.
I clicked on one TikTok shop link once and I regret it everyday. I didn’t buy the sweater but now every other video is like “HEY REMEMBER THIS SWEATER BUY THIS SWEATER”
that's me and the criss cross chair. i clicked the ad once weeks ago and now it's every other video.
Good lord. The entitlement, the audacity, the narcissism, to complain publicly that they got a slap on the wrist and basically told Stop It for doing dangerous and illegal things. Bless their hearts.
I saw a big name band post to their public social media asking people to stop bootlegging their logo on fake merch. I feel like fake artist merch is one of the biggest culprits of copyright crime related sales.
I don’t remember people selling fake merch so carefree as this decade
I opened tiktok after a few months and I was so confused by the shop. The rock bottom prices made no sense for major prestige beauty brands, or athletic clothing companies. It got me suspicious immediately bc like Swell said, someone somewhere is paying for the rest of it. Adults should know better.
Tiktok actually pays the difference with coupons, that's how
I make handmade goods and there’s a similar crack down that seems to happening Etsy with trademark infringement and drop shipping. As far as trademark violations, it’s unbelievable how many Etsy shops sell items that are obviously doing so illegally
It makes them money ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m wondering if they’ll come after the girlies who sell the Starbucks cups and bling them out. Would that be copyrighted?
@@LoveK1 pretty sure the starbucks logo is trademarked, so they could be taken down if Starbucks so chose. There are people who get around this by using green and black on a white background and a mermaid-esque logo thing that is not specifically Starbucks but definitely implies Starbucks and I think that is probably a safe enough way to handle it, but I don't actually know
@@LoveK1 I feel that would fall under fair use. Blinging out the design to something entirely different is quite transformative. Now, I still think Etsy would take them down to avoid any risks, but if it was taken all the way through court, I think it'd probably be allowed.
@@LoveK1 I would still question it. There's no telling if Starbucks might eventually decide to start doing their own version, and if they do... those would now be competing products and that would be a violation. So, yeah, they are almost certainly running a risk there
a local skate shop owner i know that started selling on tik tok shop, said he was selling a lot of fingerboards there, and that he got paid the full price, so it sounds like tik tok is eating the costs of their crazy deals. sounds like their strategy is similar to whatnot, lose a bunch of money on promotion and deals to try and build up a marketplace.
They do. I have an art business and I sell on TikTok shop and they always give me the full amount of the product, even though the customer only pays the discounted amount.
@@StephanyMarieShop that's good to know, I hope it's true for everyone and stays that way!
@@citrinedreamingit won't. It's gonna be the classic tech dance. Eventually they will stop doing the discounts, or more likely make the producer pay for the discount, most producers will leave with only the bottom of the barrel left, people want to leave to a different platform but that requires effort so they just stay
Honestly if i wanted a cute strawberry raspberry necklace and i got cheap 10 cent beads and a vape I'd be SO mad
I can 100% confirm that most people running online stores have ZERO clue how their taxes work or even how to get a business license. It’s scary when a Canadian (myself) needs to teach Americans how their taxes work 😂😂
Given that the quality of our education gets worse the farther you head east... I can't blame you what so ever.
Sure buddy
As an American I noticed Canadians are so much more informed about how taxes work. I’m curious, is there public education provided to you to make it easy to understand? I feel like they purposely make it confusing for us here to prey on our ignorance, but idk
@@ForeverFlower great question! Honestly though no we had no financial education courses during my time at public school (I’m 28). They have since added a class to our curriculum in Ontario to help teach students more about it which I wish we had!!
Thankfully my parents have always run their own businesses, and I work in e-commerce so it’s part of my job to know info on worldwide tax info… that doesn’t mean i file my taxes on time or correctly though don’t get me wrong 😂
I’m just always amazed by how many people will just pocket the sales tax customers pay to them, and when I remind them that they’ll need to remit those taxes, people look at me like I have 5 heads 😂
Titkok must be stopped
Secrets must be stopped
Agreed 💯 lol
i love titkok
TikStop, if you will?
Simple process for me. I don't use social media and I belittle those that do. I am not a good person, but I do feel good as a person.
I knew something was going to happen when Safiya Nyguard did a whole video on that popular corseted dress that was sold everywhere as a dupe/counterfeit using the same videos/stolen pictures.
Man, it's almost impressive watching people realize that their new hustle is just the reboot of a known criminal activity.
9:22 The only thing that sucks about TikTok cracking down specifically on these types of "bundles" is that it's affected artists who offered mystery sticker/print packs. I always thought mystery packs are fun and it's a great way for artists to move stock that might not be selling as well as they'd hoped, but TikTok has made it impossible to sell any sort of grab bag because of all the shops that did it wrong.
Like, I get that not everyone can afford to buy the licensing for brands and stuff, but if you can't afford that, then you can't afford to get caught selling illegally.
This video is absolutely fascinating to watch as someone who has refused to download tiktok out of genuine stubborness to learn/use a new app lmao
I can’t wait to hear about how much worse tik tok has gotten
Me too and I don't even have it.
*Titkok
Hey, it's actually got marginally better due to this!
I've never been interested in buying from TikTok shop honestly. I would much rather buy from a creator directly so that I know that they're getting the profits than go through a third party with questionable security.
What I hate the most about TikTok shop ads is when the creator doesn’t even give a good review. They’re like “buy this perfume it smells so good!” Okay but what does it smell like?????
I've purchased stickers from an artist on tiktok shop because they had a sale only on tiktok and I liked their stuff.
Stickers got to me fine, good quality, and I've never used it again bc the artist complained about their stuff being sold at a sale price they never agreed to. Now I won't do it again.
Changing the price without the creator knowing is sus af
I stopped using tiktok for entertainment or to post things once tiktok shop took off. It made me super uncomfortable that almost every tiktok on my feed was essentially shilling me something, promoting the tiktok shop, or having integrated ads to fool you. It's super irritating.
Lotta people are starting to feel entitled with the 'my shop can't close no matter how immoral because muh money!' attitude. They'd fit in, in those Indian scam call centres.
swell, for the love of everything please dont change the title
There's a TitKok shop and NO ONE bothered to tell me?!
Real talk, always found Tiktok shop shady. Only time O was half tempted was a watercolor set and paint pen set I kept seeing ads for. Luckily those seem kinda legit, but I find the ads annoying, so I don't see myself buying just out of principle
Reverse image search them and find the originals lol
It’s always the same 3 plastic garbage products
I bought the watercolor set off site and they aren’t great. Very dusty/chalky and the color rubs off badly.
TikTok DOES tell you that you need to pay taxes for the creator fund. They send a 1099 to everyone who requires it.
Any income made outside of that is the creators responsibility. 🤷🏼♀️
Thank you for calling people out. This has been frustrating to see. I've been wanting to possibly sell legit stuff on Etsy, but I'm so worried about competing with people doing this bs
Definitely look into alternatives. I know back when there was a kind of boycott going on, a lot of people shared info about where they would be selling instead and etc that could be helpful :)
@@VultureSkinsYes! I recently came across Artisans Cooperative, which came about from the Etsy boycott, and it's run by all of the sellers collectively
You’ll definitely be competing with them. Etsy picks and chooses which shops they want held reliable
"You do that 'ish on canal street!" 😂 she's not wrong!
The fact that you kept saying “YOU” made me feel like I was being yelled at even tho I know I wasn’t the one doing any of this 💀
I refuse to buy stuff on tiktok cause then tiktok would have my address and credit card and phone number. Nah. When I want something I would usually go to the external page if they have it, or skip it
I have a good feeling most TikTok shops are not remitting the sales tax they collect to the states
I just said that to my husband, sales tax is not a profit for the business, it's the cost of doing business in that state, and the state is supposed to get that money.
2010’s: school should tell us something useful, like how to pay taxes.
2020’s: school should tell us something useful, like that we need to pay taxes.
Ah yes but teaching kids about money means telling them the reality of capitalism and the fact they will statistically not be rich and the American dream is not a true reflection of the vast majority of the population... that will never happen whilst capitalism prevails.
Hey just so ya know, squarespace has an auto-opt in AI thing.
what does this mean?
@@nv6288 Squarespace is using content hosted on their sites for AI training. Instead of it being opt-in, its opt-out which is kindaaaaa scummy.
AHHH THANK YOU! Just opted out
@@nv6288 if I'm understanding (and I am very open to correction), it means that if you don't want your site or designs to be used for AI (probably to train it?), you have to manually turn it off. Basically sketchy as hell
Yeah I hate instagram for trying to control selling stuff off the platform. I follow my fave artists on there and they all continuously have to make posts about how they get banned or low engagement when trying to sell something that isn’t thru instagram. My favorite sculptor considered quitting art bc she didn’t know where else to market and sell her work. It’s so frustrating, I totally agree that liars should not be drop shipping but the poor artists suffer. Etsy is a drop shipping nightmare now too, I hear artists get strikes all the time bc the site can’t tell the difference between a bot account or a real account.
TitKok shop has to be stopped
This is a tale as old as time , my local coffee shop used to sell breakfast rolls with "pepper" , it was actually just plain old heroin.
Ahhh the good old days! Back when stuff was honest
Back when fent wasn't a thing.
What a great way to start your day
Even Walmart is in on this shit. I bought a dress from them (their website not TikTok) and it ended up being a drop shipped item directly from China.
Even walmart? hahah you can't trust major retailers, the way they make so much money in the first place is by being sketchy, of course they're gonna be dropshipping
I suspect (based on my own experience) that a lot of the people not understanding the taxes or business side of things are young people from low income families who weren't taught much about it. I say speaking from my own experience because I'm a low income individual, born and raised, and have not had any parental or formal education on these topics. Not saying it's an excuse for doing illegal things, but I do imagine that some of these people just honestly didn't realize they would need to take these things into consideration.
I feel like such an idiot sometimes because I wasn't taught about things like this, which are obviously important to adulthood. Admittedly, I get overwhelmed at times just trying to figure out what I don't realize I never learned, and then where the most reliable place to learn it is!
Oh it's middle class and upper class too. Even well educated parents often just don't tell their kids anything and the kids never had a reason to need to know. My FIL is an accountant. My husband had absolutely no financial knowledge when we met.
Yep, I accidentally commited tax fraud for like a year when I started working, nobody told me I had to register a business or anything, thankfully our equivalent of the IRS was understanding and I didn't end up getting punished besides some late fees thankfully
TikTok shop is not a thing in Germany and it makes me so happy. Same with Threads. Sketchy shit is immediately banned here.
as an artist it scares me how little people know about copyright sometimes
I have such a hard time understanding how they thought this was just going to be a thing indefinitely. Like first rule of the internet is CYOA
This happening after Safiya's video😂
Amanda yelling at the camera talking to TikTok like it’s a person made my day today lol
TT Shop is wild, im barely on the platform because of how heavy it’s promoted now, and I’ve had folks get unblocked too and it’s so weird.
I am WAY outside Swells target demographic , but I found her and subscribed. I am constantly amazed by Amanda's intelligence and common sense. ❤
It's frustrating to watch this shift in people. I'm sure there were always people dropshipping at any given opportunity, but now even during conventions or on etsy there's such a swath of droppshippers and counterfeit good sellers EVERYWHERE and I feel like covid played a huge part in that with the 'work from home' thing. It's very discouraging as an artist to try open a small shop with original art only to be overshadowed by people who bulk buy stuff.
I was swindled by a droppshipper into an art giveaway collab under the guise they were a small shop in the same small country, and I feel like such a fool falling for it :(
the get that bag mentality plays into this
@@Man-ej6uvsorry but what does that phrase mean? I’ve never heard of it until now
@@Meimoons “get that bag” means making money (get that bag of money), in this case by whatever means necessary or possible. It doesn’t always have a bad connotation and can sometimes be used jokingly (like a youtuber taking a sponsorship is “getting that bag” or getting that coin)
@@Man-ej6uv 100% and its so so sad that those people often earn more than people actually making their own art too
@@NotVille_ this would be a much nicer website without you
I remember when I tried to make money drop shipping in like 2002. It was not the way to make money that people said it was. And these were not even counterfeit stuff
Why do I feel like dropshipping is just an mlm without the wonky snake oil product
@@Poopiepies it can be, a lot of the MLMs are dropshipping. When I decided to try it there was not anyone I was working with but there was also no real advertising I could do either.
What kind of product did you sell back then?
@@NatalovesLilly goodness, I'll be honest a little bit of everything. I had like 4 sites that each had a different feel to them. Clothes, Home Goods, etc
@@Poopiepies Not really, with an mlm you're actually trying to get people to sign up for the mlm themselves, then you get a percentage of their sales revenue and a percentage of anyone they sign up (which is where the multi-level name comes from). With dropshipping you're just bulk buying cheap crap and selling it with a mark up. Plus the snake oil element isn't essential to an mlm - LulaRoe is an mlm but it sells clothing.
I cannot get over the AI ads absolutely everywhere. Like please you couldn't make it more sus
Im glad they are actually taking stuff down. I saw shops literally selling video bundles by other content creators. They were selling other peoples content that was free on the creators account.
I can’t believe people were actually selling drugs on TikTok shop! How stupid do you have to be to think you’re going to get away with that?!
This just reminds me of people being surprised when getting caught sellin 'party favors' on FB Marketplace... and they weren't being subtle lol
Stuff like this must be hell for the already too small staff the IRS has having to track down hundreds of "small business owners" who couldn't be bothered to learn how income taxes work and inform them they are indeed committing a crime.
People be like that meme with the dog "no take only throw" but with their income from these sketchy sales.
Tiktok shop is trash. Placed one order with shipping for only 7. Wanted to place another for $15 and the shipping was $25. After tax and everything it was gonna be $43. Safe to say I’m never using that again😑
The amount of people that don’t read the terms and conditions when signing up to sell in TikTok shop doesn’t surprise me. None of us read it, but they had it in there. No counterfeit products. 🤦♀️
I think tiktok shop as a whole won't be continued for much longer. I'm from Europe and no one here has tiktok shop (probably because of stricter regulations) and after this wave of shutdowns I don't think we'll ever get it. and tiktok as a platform will soon realize that their shopping feature isn't safe and isn't generating enough profit to cover all the liabilities. and they should've known that this would happen, since most "tiktok made me buy it" products that I've seen before were recommended as dupes or knockoffs, so it makes sense that a lot of shops on tiktok would then sell counterfeit goods.
TitKok Stop must be Shopped
cant waittt to watch this video as someone in Europe who doesn't have tiktok shop but cant stop seeing people complain about it lmao
amanda i love your videos !! they always make my day so much better + i appreciate the effort you put into making such great content
This is the most “auntie” energy we’ve ever got from Amanda and it is super interesting cuz the concern is valid but new
This is kinda hilarious to me. Imagine being caught robbing a store and then getting upset that they dont let you keep the money!
As someone who works in a Fraud and customer success department that handles account deactivations for a large platform, it is absolutely possible for a large scale deactivation like this if you have a coordinated enough team. AI might be involved but I’d say it’s more of a program that flags accounts and then the accounts are manually reviewed and deactivated. I could be wrong but that’s how we do it at my job.
Thanks for talking about it Swell!
Idk what auntie cute vibes you’re tossing out to us today but- I love the hair, the look, the makeup, the sweater, the glasses, the Miranda at the chair Devil Wears Prada vibes….. bless you in all your amazing commentary.
Also, and completely unrelated…the Doctor Who Con is fast approaching!
Never considered blocking creators and companies that upload ads. I usually just report the ad as “spam” “inappropriate content” “violent” or “low quality content”
the stem feed can be activated in content preferences! its a feature for everyone but maybe was only auto switched for people w tangential interests but left as an option for everyone else?
well my timing to get here this early is impeccable
"no views | 46 seconds ago"
this uploaded at the perfect time for my 2 hr commute I’m so happy 💕
Amanda: I thought people had common sense
My dad since I was 12: "common sense is common not universal"
There's a reason why so many of these businesses back in the day stuck to flea markets... Harder to get caught stealing designs.
Amanda is officially my Tiktok news channel at this point because I haven't been on tt in over a year lol
I love that you are covering this nonsense. I knew it was coming because I lived thru Etsy turning from handmade, cottage kitchen stuff, vintage stuff into a drop ship, nonsense dupe, counterfeit goods BS. I did kinda enjoy all the I have no idea how I got here 😅 like what?? That and the ppl complaining that TikTok hates sahms and their vinyl grinch not Stanley racket 😂😂
These ppl are adults and parents!! Mind boggling
Finally! As soon as I saw this flooding my fyp I was waiting for you to cover this. That was fast
Love your channel Swell! You're always informative and realistic while keeping it entertaining ❤