NEW v OLD Land Rover Defender Off Road Challenge on Spicy Lane...PART 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video we join our friends at the West Wales Laners and see if the new Defender can keep up with some off road modified old School Land Rovers on the infamous Spicy Lane track in Wales !
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Well that was fun! The axle articulation on that old Defender was incredible!
Indeed but the new Defender did the corner without the need for all that .....
@@L663 Indeed it did, and did it well!
It's easy to get a lot of articulation, but it's pretty useless if your springs keep falling out. It's not hard to put in the right spring/shock length combination to prevent springs falling out.
@@L663 Personally l think those suspension systems that allow the spring to dislocate are a waste of time, good tires and difflocks are far more effective, my old LWB SJ413 so equipped often outperformed Defenders unless they had lockers as well.
Excellent driving simon and brilliant video ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Always put your window up when off roading in close vegetation...... branches can whip through your window and take an eye out !😉
I love your presenting style. You are a natural at it. Plus respect to you for taking your car into that environment. That’s a lot of money going down there!!!!
Yes I am aware that I am lucky to have such an expensive car - I am privileged and its thanks to customers that we can buy the car - I just want to show Defender owners that the car is awesome !
Always love seeing the off road explotis. I think if you use more Lo-range on these tracks, employ HDC to eliminate sudden jerky braking, air down to a sensible pressure (18-25psi for this sort of stuff), get some decent E load rated rubber and rid yourself of those pointless side steps you'll have a lot more fun.
Not sure what country you are in, but airing down in the UK or Wales where this was filmed isn't really practical. The lanes are cool, although most are not serious in terms of off road obstacles. Lanes are also pretty short in length, so a days laning will see you doing more road miles than lanes as a rule. The longest lane is still short, so frequent trips back to the tarmac the norm, meaning you might do 4, 5 or more lanes in a day. If you wanted to air up and down for each one it'd take you hours.
Maybe so, but not airing down is a great way to reduce traction and comfort while increasing stress on the vehicle and susceptibility to punctures. I can air down in about 3 minutes and air up in 10-15. They really are starved for good offroad options in UK. @@300bhpton
Great to see it being used in anger although the damage may make some wince. The Stig is becoming a true offroader but that tyre seemed to be all show and no go, much as most of the JLR range is today.
Great stuff Simon, possibly biggest challenge yet for the Stig ? Can't wait to see if you make it back up the lane !
I am curious why you didn't go for BFGoodrich AT's - generally accepted as the best I think, although that statement is opening the way for lots of folks to disagree !
Exactly my thoughts
I cant believe the damage to that tyre! It looks like a metal fence post has penetrated the wall. Stay safe! Chris B.
Not to worry… we call them desert pin stripes over here. My L320 has a bunch of them. I know that trail, but all of the other videos have the vehicles going up. Nice!
We did plan to go up but with no spare i decided not to
Oh man, taking the paintwork through that undergrowth was painful to witness.
It’s a defender so has to be done !
Hi Simon...... re your off roading adventure at Spicy lane in Wales..... firstly tire selection..... I’ve always found that the B F GOODRICH All terrain an excellent road tire and damn go off road!!!! Don’t go for the Mud Terrain..... it’s to aggressive and wears out quickly on the tarmac!!!
Secondly when driving off road.... NEVER HAVE YOUR THUMBS ON THE INSIDE OF THE STEERING WHEEL!!!!!
If one of the front wheels strikes a large rock or it’s grabbed by a rut there is an excellent chance that you may break a thumb or two!!!!
Always have your thumbs on top of the steering wheel so that the wheel can slide through your hands!!!
Kindest regards Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿🙏😂
FairPlay for taking that down the overgrown narrow tracks. I certainly wouldn’t 😂 shame about the tyre 🙈 it’s also surprising how low the defender is, id have thought it would have sat a little bit higher. Is there a lift kit of sorts available for it?
Depends what you mean by low? they have good factory ground clearance, but they are a long vehicle with a relatively big front overhang. You also only get the max ground clearance with the air suspension raised, which can make them more bouncy off road and loose some suspension droop and flex. Also as IFS or IRS suspension compresses you loose ground clearance. You can lift the vehicle with the air suspension and there are ways to 'trick it' to run higher than normal. But any lift on independent suspension looses you suspension droop. The best lift option I've seen is a company in the USA that does a subframe lift to essentially move the body up away from the suspension (a bit like a body lift on a ladder chassis). This keeps all the suspension travel but gives more clearance and allows bigger tyres to be run. But hugely costly....
Id recommend trying gf Goodrich ko2s as although theyre not mud terrain tyres, they do have a pretty decent sidewall and as far as i know they do fit the defender steel rims.
The wranglers were looking good and on road were good but I just don’t trust them now
@@L663 Nitto Trail Grappler. They are real rubber, and survive Aussie deserts off track. Get the 10 ply version, not the 6 ply one. They are not noisy either, even though a mud tyre. Very long life too.
@@landrover1155 Yes, I reckon LR would consider the ride of a 10 ply out of bounds for the new Defender. I thought about the Duratrac to replace my previous Kevlar MTR (which were great until they got to 5 yo and started to go out of round, death wobbles every third time I drove the GU) but the Nittos came up at 4 for the price of 3 so I grabbed them instead. Very happy I did. Paid $1k for 4, Duratracs were ~$1700 at the time, Kevlar MTRs out of stock, very long wait.
@@L663 good year have just recently introduced the good year wrangler duratrac RT which has a slightly updated tread pattern but it also has much stronger 3 ply sidewalls. Not sure how many sizes are available at the moment but they look pretty good. There's also the new bf Goodrich KO3 but it may take a while for those tyres to be properly available.
Not sure if it was brave or foolhardy taking the Stig down that overgrown lane but he certainly did the business. Have to respect that. Paint must be super quality not to badly mark up.👍👍
It was a little crazy but I really wanted to put the new Defender to the test.... when these come onto the market in a few years time these will be great off road vehicles
@@L663 I shan't want to buy yours! 🤣
@@mda5003 The Stig is not going to be for sale - he is part of the family !
@@L663 Oh, Bless!
The LR approved Duratracs appear not to have the Kevlar sidewall reinforcement that the non-approved version has - I’ve had the same result twice now with slashed sidewalls on similar runs with my 110 D240. I have had both my D240 110 and now the D250 clear gloss wrapped with Xpel self repairing PPF and it has protected my Pangea Green cars really well on scratchy runs. My new D250 90 has the GY Adventure tyres which are less aggressive but seem to be holding out better slash wise than the Duratracs. BTW my insurers were insistent that I only fitted LR approved off-road tyres to my 110 First Edition if I wanted them to cover me for off-road use………… hence why I am still using Goodyears and haven’t changed to BFG’s. I also have Wheel and Tyre insurance that has generously bought me 3 new Duratracs and 2 20” alloy refurbs in the last 3 years for the cost of the premium!
Get Nitto Trail Grapplers, 10 ply version. You won't have the same problems with them. I run them on my GU Patrol, have done thousands of kilometers of Aussie mountains, deserts, rocky outback tracks. Not noisy on bitumen either, made of real rubber, long life.
If you are in the UK and only driving Green Lanes, then they technically are not 'off road' as they are all part of the Kings Highway and are public roads.
The West Wales safety rep was sadly absent when that spring popped out. 🤣
Yes we were all not approving of that fix
I have heard the Duratracs are bad. In that size they are just a XL rated passenger tire. You need something like the BFG KO2, thicker sidewalls, an extra layer, and they are an LT tire. That means a tougher construction.
Yes I think you’re right
Hey Simon, looks like the stig did well what was the bodywork like at the end of the video? You’ll have to do a video cheers Carl
The Duratracs are better than the horrible Wranglers we got as an 'offroad' tire in the US. I blew 2 tires in 2000 miles! On mild trails. My other buddy went through 4 over the course of 1.5yrs.
Me and goodyear have had our day
Poor Stig!!!! my goodness he deserves some restoration work now but then he has proven just how capable he is!!! It is a shame the JLR haters on too many Forums will not see your film Simon. I will give a mention whenever I can! Part 2 will be interesting!! 😨😨😨😫😫😫🫢🫢🫢🫢🫢😬😬😬😀
On the subject of sidesteps, im undecided if i should order the deployable ones, my dealer says he’s never seen any on the new defender , do you know if they reduce the underside clearance or do they fit in the recess shown here under the doors?
Hi - good question - i have not seen a set of the deployable fitted - although they do look a neat low profile design - but it could be an expensive repair if you damage them
I wish Ineos had joined in would have made interesting watching . I noticed the Real defender made it look easy
Ineos have to prove the car…. Why so shy ?
@@L663 I thought that is what Ineos should be doing "Proving itself " - A while ago they were nearly on every page & video promoting this Car . . Anyway Kind Regards to you Simon
Could that tyre be a QC issue with the curing of the tyre?
Very good track but it’s painful after damage paint and tire 🛞 very expensive hobby . Good luck 😉
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Yes my spending on Tyres is expensive....
Prefer the Coil Overs Flex tbh !!
Granted its 90 V 110
Yes the shorter wheelbase really helps !
Great video, go out with a 90K car, come home with a 70K car 🙈 fair play Simon 😂
To be fair I only paid £50K for the car new...
A fairly stock 110 New Defender vs an entirely modified old 90 Defender wasn't an overly fair test but nice to see the New Defender holding its own.
Would be nice if some of the people who use this lane tidy it up and get down there with a chainsaw & loppers before it gets even more damaging. Any of us can buy a £500 banger Disco 2 and just ram it down the lanes, it takes real skill to get a decent car through that terrain without smashing it to bits.
I may revisit with chain saw and freelander 2
@@L663 good on you! ☺ I wonder who the GLASS rep is for this lane as it obviously needs some attention.
Sidewall damage is so easy to do, I gashed one of my INSA Turbos up on a tight lane a couple of weeks ago. I felt your pain when you had to drive on a flat.
The Defender powered through though 💪
Boom Boom!! 💥 💥
A special late upload just for you !
@@L663 I see how you are! Watching the BBC Glastonbury! 😉
Sounds like the Grenadier is getting into your head a bit, Simon. Let it go!
Yes I will let it go now ….
How much did you air down by? Hardly need to air down at all
I did not air down ….we discussed this as a group and said it was not needed
The new defender did alright for a suburban shopping car 😜. Hopefully the coolant leak isn't too bad
Chelsea daddys with "progressive mindset" are simply overhyping what's nothing more than a mall rated SUV😂
BF Goodrich KO2's next?
Goodyear tyres are absolute wank.
On my work ute here in NZ,I run maxxis razr AT811s and on my 2014 Defender 110 I run BFG 255/85R16 KM3s.
This proves the new Defender is not up to scratch for going places that the old one can. Look too far out of its comfort zone.
Yes like me at a disco …. But still very capable !!
Its becoming obvious that the Inios Grenadier is not up for a pepsi challenge, what could they be frightened of. I watched a documentary the other night about building the new Defender and the paint is some super hard type that is baked on like powder coting and multiple coats, they said it was the hardest paint ever produced.
The paint is madness - it just does not scratch !
@@L663 I got what I thought were some serious pinstripes from a Greenlane but they polished out without drama.
Surprising amount of damage to that tire. Think I will stay away from Goodyear. My P38 has been running on BFG KO2s for a few years. Good offroad but I did cut one sidewall. Just about the most expensive offroad tire you can buy. May pick something else for my LR3.
Tyres are my curse !
Nitto Trail Grappler, 10 ply.
@@einfelder8262
"Nitto's Trail Grappler M/T is a mud tire that means business. The 3-ply sidewall and thick rubber construction of this tire increases puncture resistance and helps keep you and your vehicle moving when the pavement ends".
Like all the rest, 3 ply in the sidewalls.
@@gordonwedman3179 I know. I have them on my Patrol. There is nothing better until you go to aggressive competition stuff that's horrible on road. The Nittos are great on and off road, far better than K02s. Make sure you get the 10 ply not the 6 ply version.
What was the coolant issue?!
No idea - it smelt like coolant but drove the rest of the day no issue including 2 hours on the motorway. Will give it a check over today.
@@L663 ok thanks for the heads up!
BFG tyres all day long.👍
something wrong with the link :(
Wow those tyres really let you down. I hope you returned them under warranty for a full refund!
A Discovery against a Defender 😂
I see what you did there..... but it still did OK !
You are going to need a set of run flat tyres....
Maybe we have proved the Defender can do the stuff now and its time to let one of the others have some time out... maybe the Freelander 2 again
No offense but that's just another overhyped mall crawler (in your words Chelsea tractor) which will never see anything else other than a closed offroad course hahahahaha
That's why it should be called "The new Pretender 110"
Some byways are way overgrown. Those tyres aren’t up to much. Shame the anus grenade was at a picnic
Welcome to God's country
Truly magnificent scenery
hmmm ,a bit tame, crap tyres though.
Goodyear i find are awful tyres so I stopped buying them years ago, I think their tyres are tripe, I’d go Bridgestone or Cooper have used both with hardly any issues off road they are far superior I believe and have them on all my vehicles. Used to run an off road club many years ago served me well
I am coming to the same conclusion…
Yet another n/s/ f tyre?
Yes and it was a whole new set of upgraded tyres - not happy
Duratracs suck! Get Micky Thompson Baja Boss AT’s
Yes I am not impressed
Get some BF Goodrich mt much better tyre
A blow up swimming ring would be better !
3.50 in - horrible horrible sound