Is Sansa The Third Queen Littlefinger Spoke Of? | ASOIAF Theory
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- My apology video with tears. I made a theory video on the Third Queen Problem: who are the three queens Littlefinger speaks of in A Feast for Crows? I suggested Sansa Lannister, Margaery Tyrell, and Olenna Tyrell. Many disagreed and for good reason. My theory completely leaves out Sansa Stark. Sansa has a claim to the north through her brother Robb who was King in the North (though not for long). Could Littlefinger make use of this claim as he plays his game of thrones? Probably.
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Kevin Pendragon sounds butthurt as fuck that everyone shat all over his flimsy-ass theory.
It's a good advertisement for Pheonix Ashes' channel and a video he made over a year ago called "Hill's Alive has no idea what she's talking about (and is lying all the time...)"
The third queen is Loras
Stop it 😭
I’ve always been a fan of Sansa and I think it would be fitting for a series like ASOIAF for a character so disliked and completely looked over to end up as Queen. Most fans think she will be dead by the series and don’t even count her as a main character. She has a subtle cunning and is able to play the game in her own way. Not to mention, she’s remained kind and graceful despite everything she has been through. I always think of her ability to keep the women calm during the battle of blackwater while Cersei, the actual queen did nothing but make it worse. For me, I think she will end up as queen of the north like in the show but unlike the show, I hope she is able to marry because motherhood/heirs has been heavily tied to her storyline since book 1
I can see her becoming queen or lady of the vale but not queen of the north
Who the F can be a sansa fan..?!!
@@user-yu5pr3xe6owho isn’t? 😭 she’s literally just a little girl trying to survive and being nice while doing it
@@user-yu5pr3xe6ome. But that’s because I always admired her story of survival through horrendous abuse. I can relate to being in a situation (obviously not as bad) where I didn’t have much control of what happened to me and all I could do was try and make it through the day. Sansa didn’t have dragons, flaming swords or faceless assassins to help her and in that is a lot of relatability that made me love her character.
@@marcostargaryen4181there seems to be hints throughout the books of her becoming queen so I hope we get something similar like in the show but obviously not the way it was executed. That’s if George ever finishes those damn books! 😂
Huh … he was talking to Sansa when he says it, so no he didn’t mean her. Little Finger knows so much, so it wouldn’t be surprising that he knows what’s going on in Mereen and how its being ruled by a queen, the third queen vying for Westeros.
DAWG, worse than Kingsguard Beyond the Wall??? That's gotta an achievement!
First time I watched GOT, I hated Sansa. Now that I read the book series and re-watched GOT, I like her a lot more. She is just a kid,we need to give her some grace. She is a kid with no power that needs to deal with batshit crazy adults and a sociopath teenage kid who is the king. If Arya was in Sansa's place, she would've been dead a long time ago. And the opposite is true as well. Now,I have young daughters her age it is a lot easier for me to understand where she is coming from.
"Barely an inconvenience"
I see what you did there lol 😂
I'm glad a few people got it lol
Pitch meeting reference appreciated
I've always thought that lord Baelish said that on purpose for Sansa to think she has the potential, regardless of how true this is, really
I thought Myrcella was the other queen since they were actively working on crowning Myrcella down in Dorne.
LittleFinger wouldn't have known that information at that time.
@@thisguy8106 but if little tommen dies or whatever, who is next in line?
"What does she know of Statecraft, of Warcraft, of Starcraft?" - Did not see that coming. As an old Broodwar veteran, that cracked me up real good. 🤣
Hello fellow Broodwar vet !
Wait. I have good textual support for Darkstar power bottom assertion.
In *Fevre Dream* the king of the vampiric "night folk" was Joshua York, George's original purple-eyed bisexual messiah. An absolute power bottom for Abner Marsh. Joshua is to Gerold as Oberyn is to Abner.
Looking forward to your Phoenix ashes rebuttle. LOL. I love your videos. Keep it up!
More lies will be revealed. Stay tuned
Darkstar is a power bottom 😭😭
Queen of Thorns, Queen of the 7 kingdoms, and Queen Regent.
Sansa could be on her way, weighing whatever the Vale is doing. Sansa has control over sweet robin, and is tasked to charm Harry the Heir.
Sweet robin is holding a tourney for his winged knights, why would the Vale do that for a warden? They’re not, they’re going for independence too!
But what about Queen Celise? And the red woman? Surely Petyr knows about them too
I thought you have a really good theory.. It's weird that ppl reacted that way. Like if they can figure out that beauty means breinne, but a 3rd queen couldn't be the queen of thorns?!? I think ppl get stuck in what they feel is right and anything that could challenge that is wrong. I don't think n+a=j but I'm not going to argue someone down because they believe it. It's a theory for a reason.
There's so many queens and future queens at play it could be anyone.
Dark Star being a power bottom. So hot
Kevin, ur my king
I don't want it. I never have 😔
Rumores about daenerys have reached both braavos and oldtown , littlefinger definily already know about daenerys
Yea but she doesn't show that she's coming toward westeros anytime soon she's been in Slavers bay dealing with all that for a long time and it looks like she could be taken out atm to most of the world considering meereen is surrounded
That video is great and also funny ! Great job
That person must have a small following cuz i havent ever seen anyone talk bad about you. Youre one of the best dude. Fuck those haters lol or in ASOIAF terms " words are wind".
Looks like Kevin's war with the ashy phoenix continues..
Phoenix Ashes thought they could get away with su💀cide baiting people on Tumblr and lying about me on their shitty slopping channel. They were wrong
@@KevinPendragon 😂 the saga continues
What is this saga? I must know the drama.
@@jessjess23brooks89 oooh Mami. Phoenix Ashes has gone _buck_ wild going after Hills Alive, (our king said "not on my watch", and rebuttled her video, they went back and forth and I think now PA has tried to put the mark on him again (good luck 😂)
@@staytuned2L337 I just watched the video he put out this morning. Oh boy, what a saga. He buried that psycho. You know, I think sometimes I might be a little too into this series, but then I remember weirdos like her exist and I'm really just over here chilling with my books.
You dropped one of my favorite lines of all time from firefly, mad respect 😎
Need to give it a rewatch. And I never got around to Serenity.
@@KevinPendragon Serenity hurt me (damn plot twist), but it's a decent conclusion to the story.
@@Vonn_Loren plot twist was crazy, but at least they used it to wrap up the series(which is more than most series gets).
The thing is Sansa being queen on tv shouldn't factor. I agree i think she'll be in power but of the vale and/the riverlands. Sansa being a queen or the main 3 was never on my bingo card.
Btw Jane isn't the only queen i think of when it comes to a short reign. There's a famous one in Korea too. She was Queen for only 7 days.. There's a kdrama about her. Honestly Korea has a history of players that could rival the UK.
Theme-wise Sansa is Cercei’s apprentice. Sansa will become a dowager queen just like Cercei does when Aegon gets killed claiming Drogon as “his”.
As a Sansa fan….well I’m definitely for some version of an ending with Sansa doing well in a position of great power! (Queen in the North!) To use this flimsy excuse to Segway……
Regarding the show, while I have my own ideas of the could have dones (and fan fic to end ASOIAF) I think the following are some of my main in retrospect pointers:
- early on, I’m not sure if it is unfair to expect the showrunners to figure out that the Bravvos arc might be something to cut out. Early enough to not bother having a Faceless man in season 2. But I’d definitely have Arya and the Hound teamup with Brieanne and Pod.
- have lady Stoneheart
- don’t bother with Robert Strong/return of Gregor at all.
- bronn should not return to the story after season 4.
- have the Tysha reveal, and Varys staying in Kings Landing
- have the full valenqar prophecy
- kill Varys and Baelish in season 5
- if you are going for a simplified Dorne arc, have Arys Oakenheart sneak into Dorne to get Myrcella, the Sand Snakes not planning revenge, but really, really angry, Ellaria gives a version of her book speech, and Arys accidentally kills Myrcella
- be MUCH more willing to use, explore, and explain what magic is and how is works in this setting
- don’t have Dany return to the Dothraki Sea
- Have the reveal Tyrion is a secret Targaryen
- Jorah should die in Essos
- Bran should arrive at Winterfell at the end of season 6. R+L=J is revealed, Jon is proclaimed King, and takes the name Stark.
- if you are going to use time travel, figure out ways to not have it make the choices of the characters who are not Bran meaningless.
- However you wish, arrange for the destruction of Kings Landing before Dany returns to Westeros, and have her go to White Harbor.
- Both battles of Winterfell should be meat grinders. Between the two of them, most of the important secondary characters should end up dead.
- Brieanne should be one of those who die in the second Battle of Winterfell. Have Jaime learn of the prophecy, and make the rest of his arc struggling with it (however it ends up).
- however you arrange it, have an ending where:
. Jon is not King
. Dany is not Queen
. They are not married to each other, or Dany is pregnant with a dead Jon’s child.
. Bran is “on top” (this doesn’t even have to mean he has the formal title of King)
Lol the Watcher clip was golden!
It's been painful watching them get dragged this whole week 😭
@@KevinPendragonand the immediate segway into "and here's my patreon!" Was 👌🏽 😂
Who cares what people think?
Happy Birthday to me 🥳 🎉 🎂
Thanks for the totally unexpected birthday gift bro 💪🏾
Happy name day!
Ty for the content. Appreciate interacting with new idea as well.
You're welcome. Hard to find new angles to explore the series from since it's been analyzed so thoroughly over the years
If it were easy, everyone would do it (make ASOIAF theory videos). Keep at it and be well.
You say there's a 3 hour video somewhere? I love a little theory battling lol
Kevin, thank you for your work. I appreciate your time and physical effort, but more importantly, your intellectual and emotional effort into making these videos… Especially this video.
In Adam Grant’s book, Think Again, he opens the book with the premise of not to go into thought processes as a preacher, nor a politician, nor a poet, but a scientist. Not to insult, preachers, poets, and politicians, but the point is that these three people identified as archetypes of emotional, artistic, and systemic links to a cultural identity. Grant urges us to let our subjective views go in order to objectively interact with new information. You are trying to do this with this video… And I appreciate it.
I know my posts are always filled with many miss spellings and type of graphical errors. That is because I’m using talk to text instead of typing out my message. Anyway, great video. Keep up the great work!
Yes this quote you shared summarized my mindset while making this video perfectly. Thank you!
My Valyrian really said “her baby daddy brother”
I think Cersei would prefer that to brother f-cker
About Harry, sweetrobin might use telekinesis to kill after he rapes Sansa. Another thing Littlefinger didn't count on was that Sweetrobin also likes Sansa except as both a wife and mother rather than wife and daughter, but I digress.
Petyr is well aware of Robin’s powers, it’s how he gets some of his intel. Also notice; unlike Harry, Robin isn’t saying Petyr will betray him since Petyr isn’t planning on it.
It’s all part of a Batman allusion:
Black and Yellow bat sigil.
Rich guy, seems selfish but actually helping people.
Catwoman aka Cat Stark
Robin the Boy Wonder aka… well Robin
Batgirl aka Sansa.
(Not related too above)
Aegon aka “true dragon prince”(it’s complicated but for this it’s fine) will be the one to save Sansa for Harry after Petyr dies from Sansa’s betrayal from not trusting Petyr’s intentions. Aegon and Sansa will attempt to marry. Aegon attempt to claim “his” biggest dragon (thanks to Tyrion’s chess game) will result in most of Aegon’s crew burning (including former Daenerys’ supporters who left her for Aegon including the ones who “stole” from her and Viserys).
It's not Sansa. It's Arianne Martell as the Queen of the Mummer's Dragon. Duh
It will be super easy, barely an inconvenience. 🤣😂
it's Alayne Stone not Snow
I don't remember saying Alayne Snow. Perhaps I misspoke
@@KevinPendragon you did I replayed it. But other than that a good video 😉
Apology video with tears LMFAO
E: and you ate that 💅🏼
Thank you 🤣
FINALLLLYYYYYY!!!!
I still think the first video is correct.
Wow 3 hours??? Bruh.
I do have a questions regarding your upcoming Petyr Baelish video; will you be considering any of the analysis of Petyr Baelish done in Random Internet Guy's "Chaos is a Ladder... but to where?" Series?
I watched those videos and enjoyed them. But I reached a different conclusion than RIG. I don't reference his videos in my theory
Of Starcraft LMAO 💀
I always thought so
Sansa is the third Queen and the war is for the hand of Aegon. Littlefinger thinks it will be a war between Sansa, Arianne, and Margery. But Cersei will be the surprise winner.
Nice video background.
It was a fun game. Shame there won't be a sequel
@@KevinPendragon yeah, I mean they made few entries, but the studios gone a few years now :(
Hey. My comment got used 😂😂😂
Can't believe how peoples' outcries against you can be.... at the end of the day, its YOUR opinion!! And all this for a series that is FICTION!!
I took no offense. They pointed me in a better direction. Valid criticism. I will show you what truly mean and unconstructive comments look like very soon...
People are getting too bold with how they respond to other people's theories. It's not that deep! Nobody knows the ending except GRRM - and maybe Parris. People need to get off their hypothetical high horses!
Sansa IS already a Queen. That's LF's entire point. Giving her Winterfell IS giving her a crown.
The moment ANY Stark retakes Winterfell, they're taking up the Crown as well.
Can't it be either or? Sansa can return to the north and be established as Lady of Winterfell. Or, LF can take it further and declare her Queen in the North. Reclaiming Winterfell doesn't have to automatically mean reclaiming Robb's crown.
Thing is, Margaery and Olenna can't both be among the three queens. They're part of the same faction. It's a dumb theory. I'm not saying that you're dumb, just the theory. We all make dumb theories or say dumb things sometimes.
I'm pretty sure the three queens are Cersei, Margaery and Sansa. But I don't think Sansa becomes Queen of the North. I think we're getting another She-Wolves of Winterfell situation, and that Jon Snow will rule as regent for Rickon.
You didn't make a bad video! And look here-now you are making another even better one! You do good stuff, man, no worries!Sansa is a possible-but before Sansa EVER gets North, Barbrey will be Queen in the North first...it is the phrasing LF uses when talking. Barbrey is going to be first..and LF plans on using Sansa to sweep thru the Vale and Riverlands. LF does NOT plan on revealing Sansa. He CANNOT-she Can't. Not for a LONG time yet. And NO WAY is LF just telling Sansa his plans. Barbrey and LF have many strong ties lowkey in text-The Starks being one of those ties. LF HAS to keep Sansa AS Alayne...and AS Alayne, she is heir to Harrenhall. The Riverlands. And traditionally/historically the Westerlands follow the Riverlanders. IF Sansa can EVER reveal herself-it will not be until she OUT of the Vale. I could really get into this cuz LF isn't the ONLY person focused on 3 queens. I love that you are doing these videos. Someone else to consider, seriously, is Euron. In a twist-Euron is HEADING towards East Coast in text. He WILL move UP the coast. He is dressing up as women on his ship-he even dressed up as Visenya. In Forsaken he literally changes his outfit 3 times and each time he is dressed as a female from Westeros History. Something about THAT is really in my head. But as far as Sansa is concerned-she HAS to stay Alayne to pick up The Vale and Riverlands BEFORE she ever go North or reveal herself. She has to have real support to become Sansa again until the Lannisters are done/gone. When LF makes his move to place Sansa as Queen it will be later on when Sansa can be placed as THE Queen..not JUST a Queen. LF has made a split-he changed his OWN plans when he saved Sansa from KL..he changed her name because for all intents and purposes Sansa is 'dead' in text. I swear this makes sense-I have a hard time typing it all cuz honestly, sometimes talking about certain things is just easier to describe for me. But sansa will NOT be a Queen...she will be THE Queen if Little Finger gets his new plan realized and it will be a while yet.
That's a good point. By the time LF makes Sansa a queen there might not even be two other queens in the game anymore
@@KevinPendragon Exactly! THAT is his real plan. He is gona sweep the ENTIRE map with her by waiting most of it out. He has ALREADY said this! LF is one of the SMAREST f00kers in these books-it reads like he has literally been doing this for longer than we REALLY know. In text, lowkey, LF is SUS AF. Like magically speaking. I could...damn man, it is so much to type but what he is doing-he IS working in front of Euron. The whole Game is going to whittle down to be between Varys, LF and Illyrio. Illyrio has already moved up BIGTIME when you consider that Dany could hardly stand him and then suddenly she is telling peeps that she owes Illyrio EVERYTHING. Right AFTER she says that? LOOK at Barristan's response...so approvong, isn't it? And wasn't it Illyrio who sent Barristan to Dany? THAT is NO coincidence. Tatters is also working FOR Illyrio. Illyrio ALSO knows about Aegon-Griff tho...hmm....Illyrio send HIM Tyrion...and Tyrion gets moved towards Dany on the board ANYWAYS. WHO is Illyrio REALLY helping? Euron is REALLY moving up...I am thinking he might take LF and Varys off the board somehow. I am still rereading lol
Mostly human 🤔 lmaooo
Petyr dies early next book. He probably won’t even be alive to see Harry become his Heir, since he doesn’t want that, it was just a ruse.
Baby Aegon and Rhaenys are both alive and well, Tyrion escape path to Illyrio’s showed us how.
“The frog prince croaked EVERY night…”
“This speech put the King’s daughter in a terrible passion, and catching the Frog up, she threw him with all her strength against the wall, saying, “Now, will you be quiet, you ugly Frog?”
Two different Frog Prince stories being referenced but they say the same thing (just like the prophecy): Daenerys will be the one to end Quentyn.
Selmy has sent a letter and wrong body. Dorne and the Martells have broken guest rite and this is actually great for Daenerys’ regime for now they must make amends. Thing is Quentyn will be recaptured during Selmy’s war and now Selmy will have to make an awkward letter that Quentyn is alive and that is the wrong body. They are keeping Quentyn prisoner for attempting to steal dragons, so he is a hostage; which would be still good for Daenerys…. Except…
Quentyn is a fake, he is not a toad but a frog; and one of the babies swapped in the Tower of Joy exchange, the real Quentyn left with his mother. This is why Doran gave fQuentyn to his enemies , for free, in the rival side of Dorne as a hostage; because he doesn’t care about him. The reason Quentyn was sent on a suicide mission without men trusted by Doran, is because fQuentyn could be a succession problem and needs to be dealt with. Selmy thinks he has the upper hand and Doran has to play along or his ruse is discovered.
Daenerys will return. “He DID What!” 🔥foosh goes fQuentyn, a new far more awkward letter is written by Selmy.
Fire magic divination, like looking into fire or gas leak candles aka glass candles, saw the same as the intelligent but imprinted dragons did: Daenerys being protective and maternal toward Quentyn thus far in the story. The dragons didn’t kill him, they protected him because they thought Daenerys would want that. So like Drogon/Daenerys/Fighting Pits, the dragons took Quentyn to a dragon cave for safety.
Lady Sansa is not the third queen. ignore the fanfiction that is double D's creation, sansa is not likely going to be one of the three. we already have three in Westeros. Queen Consort Selse Florent, Queen Dowager Cersei Lannister, and Queen Consort Margeary Tyrell.
we also have the dispossessed Queen Consort Jeyne Westerling,
across the sea we have princess Daenerys Targaryen who has made no sign of crossing anytime soon for Baelish to make this remark.
to make sansa queen the easiest way would be Peterfinger marrying Sansa and declaring himself king. i think this is unlikely, though not improbable.
then one has to wonder is there really a reason to make a disinherited princess a queen? Her value plummets when her brothers reveal themselves. wheras as the lone Stark, she would be the golden nugget. Now is bran going to be King of Westeros or is he just going to be his brother's successor because Sansa wont be queen if it is of Westeros.
Sansa isn't that intelligent and easily taken advantage of. i don't think shewwill reach the heights of queenship and while fans think she will oust littlefinger, ii think she may be headed for doom.
I am 50/50 on the idea she will be queen in the north in the end. Not discussing the possibility was a mistake on my part though
@@KevinPendragon i am pretty confident she wont be queen in the North either. Her disinheritence via Robb's will, Her brothers, and the boltons occupying the North all stand in the way.
Look compared to other characters Sansa is objectively insignificant. The only power she can have is that of the Vale. Her becoming queen would mean the return of the status quo and all the strife of the war would have been useless.
margaery, cersi, and stannis wife are the only possibilities from littlefingers prospective i would think
they are the only ones recognized as queens for awhile now