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Lightening your load for Philmont | Philmont Gear List 2023
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- correction: though you may get by with an R value of 1.6 for your pad, try to get something a little more if you're going to use a quilt. 2.1 or more would be more comfortable if the temperatures dip into the low 30s and 20s
Make sure to check with your adult leaders before making changes in gear like switching from a sleeping bag to a quilt, switching from boots to trail runners, or switching from Nalgenes to Smart water bottles as they may want you to stick with the traditional gear. Even if you do not switch you can significantly reduce the weight of what you bring by bringing less and being intentional about every piece of gear you bring
One thing I want to stress is that you can leave behind dry bags if you use the pack liner. It will keep your gear dry and save you from having to buy dry bags since the pack liner backs are really cheap.
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Sleeping Quilts vs. Sleeping Bags -
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If you are going to use a quilt, make sure to get a width generally of 54" or wider. Also consider the "R" value of your pad in a quilt more so than if you are in a sleeping bag. You might want a pad that is a little more insulating than my budget recommendation if you sleep colder or want added comfort in colder temperatures.
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In my opinion, and from blogs of people who have done treks summiting Baldy, and people who have hiked the Pennsylvania section of the AT (known as Rocksylvania,) hiking in a pair of trail runners should not be an issue unless your pack is unusually heavy or you have ankle issues. The trails at Philmont are very well maintained and you will never be bushwhacking so trail runners should work great. When I went, I would not have used trail runners but that is because I was carrying 50 lbs on my back. If you are able to achieve a base weight of under 18 lbs leaving Plano, you should never be carrying more than 35 lbs on the trail so trail runners should be comfortable. If you do get trail runners, buy from REI so you can test them on practice hikes and if you feel like they are not supportive enough for you, return them and get a pair of boots. Remember that 1lb on your feet feels like 5 lbs on your back and trail runners will cut the weight on your feet significantly.
My email is Pgrimes2002@gmail.com if you have questions.
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Very helpful, well done, and still relevant! Good job and thank you!
preppng 4 philmont 4 2024 thx 4 the help
Prepping for Philmont 2021 this was a lot of good info. much appreciated.
Glad I could be helpful. Thanks for watching and have a great trek!
Thank you for the great video, very informative. Great Work.
Thanks so much for your insight, bud. Great appreciated.
Thank you for making this video - took a bunch of notes.
Just saw this. Very well done. You have learned well, Grasshopper. Thanks for the name drop (this is Mr. McDonald).
Haha it’s crazy people are still watching this video I made it so long ago
great video, thanks so much for the quality content!
Thank You sir, great video!
Going this summer and I'm so hyped!
I'm starting to prepare for Philmont in a year and now I know what amount of money I need to work for over the wait. Thanks a lot, bro.
Well done young man! I am a Philmont veteran, avid backpacker and a leader taking a group out to Philmont this summer. I thought your gear selection and choices were great! However, ultralight backpacks are not for everyone and trail runners do not give you the same level of ankle support as traditional hiking boots. I think your comment about a sleeping bag vs backpacking quilt is spot on. We all sleep differently and I agree with your thoughts about a Scout not taking one to Philmont due to the temperature swings one can find over there. I have partnered a 45 degree bag with a "Sea to Summit Thermolite Reactor Extreme" bag liner. Like you, I would rather have enough insulation for at night than not enough. Again, nicely done.
Great info from a Scout's perspective. Passing this on to our crew. Thank you!
This video is very well done. Great recommendations. I went to Philmont 30+ years ago, and you would laugh at what we carried. My back hurts from the thought of it.
I’m glad you liked the video! It’s not always about the gear, it’s about the trek....although gear can make your time a little more enjoyable.
Great vid, I’m preparing for philmont and this video was very helpful. Thank you 😁
Glad you found it helpful!
Rest in peace, Boy Scouts of America
Loved your recommendations and especially encouraging our local cottage industries. Will try out the trail runners and great suggestion about rain-mitts, Thank you!
Great video! I am a gear junkie and agree with a lot of what you went over with gear. Love our USA 🇺🇸 cottage vendors!
This was a very useful video. I was concerned that all the materials would not fit in my backpack, but your storage methods were very helpful. Thank you so much, I look forward to my trip!
Philmont 2008 Startedmy journey to lightening up my load. Really taught me what I actually needed and did not for a long trek.
Same but my journey started a little later in 2017! I don’t want to sacrifice comfort too much but I think I’ve found a good balance that works for me
Leader advisor for a crew of 10 boys and 2 adults going this august. This video is super helpful. Thanks
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
Well done Patrick! I didn't know you made this. Required viewing for our crews.
Nice job!
Just signed up for Summer 2023 cant wait
Having to crunch for my Philmont Trip 😭 THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL 🙌
I just did philmont 1 month ago it was amazing have fun
Great video. I was impressed by the research you did. Great insight from a scout that has been to Philmont and made corrections. I am departing for Philmont in a matter of days but I already have A lot of backpacking experience. I would totally agree with the logic behind the gear choices, "only use gear that can have two purposes." I only have a couple critiques for this Awesome scout. I am an ultra light backpacker so I use the lightest but most effective gear I can get my hands on. Instead of the recommended 75 liter pack I would opt for a 50-65 liter pack. I would also not use a pack cover even if your pack is not "water proof" (no pack is truly waterproof due to the seems in the material.) My personal favorite pack is The REI Flash 55. It is a 55 liter pack and weighs very little. It has an extremely efficient design and has many outer pockets. The only downside to the pack is if your above 6'0 it is out of question due to REI not making large enough sizes. Kudos to this scout. Great work!!!
Yes, I agree that the philmont recommended pack size is very large. A 50 liter would be more ideal for those who have small enough gear. I can get away with a 35 liter for weekends since I have ultralight gear. A longer trip like philmont I may need a little more space.
This was a great video. I'm sharing with our crews. Thank you!
I am glad you enjoyed the video!
Great job Scout! Thank you for this informative video.
I have been looking at backpacking gear for Philmont for a while now and this video really helped me with that. Great video.
Thanks! Happy to help
I'm preparing for Philmont this summer and have been watching a lot of gear videos, but yours is definitely one of the better, more useful ones. I'm still on the fence deciding between boots and trail runners, but your video gives me a better sense of determining criteria. I probably will still stick with boots because I suspect that I will end up with 40-50 pounds because of troop gear. Your video is well researched, well done. Kudos to you.
Thank you very much!
I bought a frog togg jacket and used it for rain and warmth. It worked well!
Boots vs trail runners: As a former long-distance hiker I started with boots and as I replaced foot ware, I ended with trail runners. Looking at the trails at Philmont, they seem very well trodden, so one can go either way.
My advice for Scouts and Leaders: Consider your ankles. Have you ever had problems? If the answer is "yes" consider more ankle support in the form of something more like a boot.
Also, consider your feet. With trail runners you will feel the ground more. If your feet hurt after shakedown hikes with trail runners or running shoes, consider a boot or something more substantial. One consideration: Do your feet hurt before or at the end of the day after a vacation to a city, amusement parks, etc. . .after standing all day in running shoes? (Mine do) Maybe a boot would be best.
Good video Patrick. Thanks for sharing and glad to have you as part of our Circle 10 family!
Great insight to what you really need and I love that your supported small USA businesses. We are headed to Philmont next summer :)
Exciting! Have a great trek!
Great video!
Nice video and extra little comments at end. Found it helpful. I have shared it with my crew getting ready to go this June.
Great job. I’ve been backpacking regularly since my trek got canceled in 2018. (Already had the equipment. Why not?!) tried again in 2020… all of what you speak of is spot on. Since my trip was canceled I’ve been slowly investing in lighter gear. I’ve got my base weight to just under 16pounds to be comfortable down to the teens. About 12 pounds for warm weather base weight. I am going to Philmont in September barring any other issues. Can’t wait. It will be my first time there. Thanks for your excellent video!
Excellent video. Thank you
2021er here bring camp shoes! I didt and dang that was a horrible idea
What type of shoes do you wish you would have brought? Crocs? Flip flops???
@@rebeccahammontree8074 yes!! Or even just tennis shoes! 🤦
Thank you for the nice video. All future Philmont-bound scouts and leaders should watch and listen to your video. Technology has really helped lightening the load a scout has to carry. I took my troop (Troop 130 Maynard MA) to Philmont 3 times in 1986, 88 and 90. In those days, everything weighed a lot more than today's. As the adult leader and Scoutmaster to the scouts whom I lead, we were prepared and had pre-inspection before leaving for the trip from Massachusetts. I also carried 35mm SLR camera with 200mm telephoto lens and 20+ rolls of 36 exposure per roll. The parents loved the slideshows I brought back from the trips. Digitized version of the pictures will be shown at the Troop's 40th Anniversary later this month. Many of the Scouts and Leaders will be in attendance.
Thank you for the kind words and I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I didn’t know back when I made the video how many people it would help and it is so gratifying that people are finding it useful! Those slideshows must have been wonderful!
Agree with most, more than 4 liters of water is needed especially if it’s a dry camp. Would recommend 8 maybe 6
Yes you may want more than 4 liters. A collapsible bottle or bag that packs small would be a good option for extra capacity.
8 is really good. Can last for 2-3 days depending on consumption
I bought my kid a 40 degree compact Walmart sleeping bag and bought a nice liner to increase warmth. Add 20 degrees to the rating listed on your bag.
Klymit pads are also very good
Just went to Philmont, wish I knew this lol.
4L of water weights just over 8 lbs. Check your trek and see how often you will be near water and if you happen to be near water most of the day I would not hike with an extra 8 lb of water.
Yeah, pretty much just have that capacity in case of a dry camp situation
Is it ever cold? During the day and at night
It gets cold at higher elevations in the night towards the early morning so pack warm!
Merino wool socks also work very well
The Darn Tough socks I love and recommend are merino wool! They are fantastic!
I like darn though socks and Danish endurance socks are also very good
How necessary is it to have a tent? I see that it wasn't included so I was wondering if you slept under the stars most of the time?
Philmont offers tent rentals and that is what I did when I went. Scouts are required to have a tent buddy so the weight of a 2 man tent will be split between them. You can bring your own tent if you’d like, but for scouts it has to be a 2 man shared between 2 scouts.
I can’t remember if I used something similar, but I cut out a lot of extra stuff and ended up just carrying 8+ liters of water. My pack weighed almost 60 pounds, but it was definitely worth it because we always had enough water
(This is in addition to my regular gear)
Great Video! What size/how many liters is your clothes dry bag?
Sorry, for the delay in the response. My bag was roughly 12 liters. If you’re looking it waterproof you pack with a pack liner a clothing bag may not be necessary. I however just had one for organization. A good way to measure the volume of gear it to set it in a box and measure the the dimensions of the box using the height of the gear in the box at your heigh. LxWxH then converting to liters. It should give you a good idea of what sized bag you need.
Great video! I have a quick question. I have the kelty tuck sleeping bag and the stuff sack that comes with it is pretty big. Do you know a sack that can compress my sleeping bag to make it smaller?
In the video the compression bag that my sleeping bag is in is a Sea to Summit compression dry sack although I have noticed that over time the waterproofing has become less effective. There are lots of compression sacks on the market and they come in all different sizes. There are also some roll top bags that you can get if you don't like the compression strap system.
I just learned that You have to bring your own stove. Does anyone here has recommended stoves and how many canisters will be needed for 12-days treks?
For myself I like the MSR pocket rocket. I don’t know how well it would work for the massive pots at philmont though. For as much water as you’ll be boiling, probably quite a lot of fuel. Good news is you don’t have to carry all of it from the start and can restock on the trail at some locations.
Great job of putting the video together. As I was watching the video, however, I was trying to do some mental arithmetic to determine how much this trip to Philmont was going to cost. Plane ticket, round trip; cost of gear; Philmont cost, etc. My initial thought is that we are talking thousands of dollars. Am I wrong?
No you’re not wrong. I don’t quite remember how much our trip cost, but gear is a big part of it.
Good vid bro do u watch Darwin on the trail cuz he recommends a lot of gear u got!
noticed you wear contacts as do i. I was wondering if you ever had problems about dry eyes and just general maintenance with wearing them while out there. Did you run into any problems with them and if so what did you do to mitigate those issues. Thanks
I never have really had any problems with contacts while on the trail. I do bring a few extra pairs of contacts as well as some eye drops just in case.
Great video Patrick! I do have a question and as I am an adult I will ask it here instead of an email (Safe Scouting). Your pack looked rather full so how did you pack your Philfood?
I actually had a lot of extra space. The collar of the pack extends up a lot further. I just tightened it down so it looks really full.
What month did you go? Wondering how cold it gets at night we are planning on going end of june 2021.
Billy Lemons this all depends on what trek you’ll be doing and what kind of elevations you expect to be at. I would say the absolute coldest to expect at the highest elevations would be low 20s at night. Most people won’t see temps below freezing. Hope this helps.
Im also going in june 2021 (17-28th) cant wait!
I also wear contacts and I have concerns about them. Any advice?
I wouldn’t be concerned. I wear dailies and I just make sure to clean my hands well before taking them out or putting them in. If you are concerned you can take a backup pair of glasses.
How much did all this weigh again? I think I missed that part.
Never mind. I found it. 18:05
Do you have an estimated cost on how much this all was?
I don’t have a full cost. A lot of the items have prices in the list you can find in the description. The things that will cost the most are your sleeping bag and backpack.
Do you watch Darwin on the trail?!?
Occasionally