Great test! I have front clip protection on my RS3 and whole paint protection + ceramic coating on the R8. Your assessment was exactly as I thought. Thank you for verifying!
I think after the video you´ve removed all... touchup rock chips, polish, ppf´ed again the whole hood and added ceramic coat on top... OCD like most of us around here.
This is great. I have a full body PPF on my new Tesla Model Y and I would recommend to put it in a new car when you get it - don't wait. Just a month into it an A-Hole decided to use a lighter to burn the side of my door and then tried scratching it afterwards... I am NOT sure if he knew I had PPF but the PPF protected the paint.. it did mild permanent damage to the PPF though.
I initially from new had my car coated with G techniq and after a few years went down the ppf option. The ppf does protect against small stones. The scratches which do heal under heat which is fine where I live as it's northern Australia. The ppf is not as hydrophobic as the coatings. For this reason I coated the ppf with Atri Pro Nano Graphene and the car looks amazing now so much easier to keep clean and less water spotting.
HUGE difference-one actually protects the paint from chips and scratching (if self healing PPF) and the other is just a long term clear coat protectant like a wax/sealant
You say it like chemical resistance is a joke for ceramic coatings. In areas near the sea, bird poops are very acidic to the paint resulting in damage non fixable since it eats the clearcoat. Ceramic coated cars can be etched by this BUT the main difference is you can buff out the mark and just re apply another layer. So ceramic coating are really important too.
I had pff, it had a bunch of rock chips on it, when I removed it, it went through the clearcoat. so what's the point if its supposed to protect you from rock chips, downside is with PPF you can't just put touch up paint on it and buff it off. you're going to have to live with it in your car until you remove the PPF
The PPF protects the paint in my opinion against scratches rock chip and so on. Coating as I have understood, addes a small layer of clear coat, but doesnt protect as much as PPF, I got my whole front and hood covered with PPF, and I think its protects really good against rock chips etc.
I had my model X PPF applied when I bought it late 2020, front bumper to A pillars. It is performing as expected across the panels, but it’s failing near the cameras and some of the edges are getting very visible. For as much as the ppf cost I’m very disappointed, the defects really jump out no matter how glossy the car looks. To be clear this has nothing to do with Chicago Auto Pros, I am many states away.
PPF all day long!!!! Worth the money I’ve Installed them on past 3 vehicles, the piece of kind of no rock chips in the paint and having pristine paint work is worth it. Ceramic /SiO2 coated the other areas of the car and it’s is a game changer. Car stays cleaner longer
It does prevent chips to paint work.. but you still have signed it chips and scratch on the protected film which you will be driving around. What’s the point of it? At what point do you take off the film to enjoy the actual car ?
PPF is an amazing advancement in protection but can likely do harm to the paint if you wait longer than 5-7 years to remove it. Future iterations of these products will hopefully improve.
2 things I have noticed with PPF. 1st. the self-healing properties do not last forever, It does diminish over time, and seems to diminish faster with UV exposure and poor maintenance. When it does, it seems to scratch much easier than the clear coat. 2nd when removing old PPF, I have seen impact damage that did not penetrate the film but delaminate the paint underneath and look like a rock chip. Although rare and the PPF did do a great job of protecting the rest of the surface and preventing rust where the damage was.
100% ive seen the same thing with impact damage... a buddy took the PPF off his bumper because it was old and yellowing and apparently at some point someone had backed into it and when he took the film off it took a bunch of paint the size of a baseball and spiderwebbed out from the center with it. Also if you leave it on for a period of time and then remove it the rest of the paint ages at a different rate and appears to be a different shade which also requres a repaint. I personally think PPF is a waste of money. Ceramic seems like the new snake oil to me. Id be interested if it didnt cost $1000+
Yeah, just give it time and after many years PPF will fail. If you hang on to your car long enough you’ll have real trouble removing it. 3M made similar film to protect hoods etc, guess what it failed over time and the exposure to UV.
I would recommend doing both, but be careful of the brands you choose. Some manufacturers will not warranty a PPF film if their coatings weren’t used. You can’t use any other coatings on Xpel PPF other than Xpel coatings
@@Tintmasterswindowtinting thank you. When you say "offers the paint warranty also", do you mean, they warranty to repaint it if the ppf pulls off the paint? Sorry if that sounds dumb, I'm new to this.
I did hear though. Depending on how long you keep your car. The PPF will protect against paint fade. Unless you have the car fully PPF’d you will have areas that are slightly lighter and darker if the PPF isn’t covering those areas. Ultimately a full PPF is where you wouldn’t get those effects compared to partial.
Great video to reinforce that the PPF and ceramic coating on our cars were the right choice. They have been on my Tesla since I purchased it in 2018 and on my wife’s Y since 2020. Very easy to maintain and keep clean.
This is such a money grab .. guy comes to you with just buying a 75k brand new car and of course wave Rico everything to protect it so obviously not an expert in PPE film I hope not but ok. They tell you oh you def need this man you car is going to get scary here andbbeat up and PPF is going to just totally prevent that… and it’s only $430🙀 or you get a professional ceramic coating and take good care of you care and it Either one or the other to get PPF and then to get also a ceramic coating is just them taking money out of your bank account idiots please listen up you only need one both are not necessary please let me repeat do not get both of these treatments they will gladly do them both do not get both pick one and be happy
I got model y in the Uk brand new - first thing I did was full body PPF with ceramic coat on top. The car still looks brand new after 2 months with no washing because it’s still clean!
Very informative video! I had always wondered if it was worth putting a coating on top of PPF, and I'd definitely say yes, for the hydrophobic properties of.
depend on the purpose. If the purpose is to protect from light scratch / stone chips then go with PPF ( usually with self healing ). But if the shiny or look is your purpose then you go with coating. I'd suggest if the car is for daily use then you should go with PPF. If u want cheap option, u can use vinyl wrap. U can just ignore the light scratch / swirl mark because it's just on the vinyl not the car paint. But if u have 2nd car then u should go with coating.
I am undecided between ceramic coating vs PPF, I want rock chip protection hence PPF is the choice. But I am not sure in terms of ease of maintenance, is PPF easier to maintain comparing to ceramic coating?
PPF is nice but it doesn't make sense to most people when it costs as much as repainting the car. It is there after all, to protect the paint, right? And what good is it when it costs just as much as a repaint?
For me, PPF is the way to go. Especially when u want to sell the car. Remove PPF, car looks new, original paint. Furthermore, repaint vs install PPF. Install PPF is faster, tho removing it might be a nightmare
I personally feel that the Ceramic Coatings just help in easier cleaning of the vehicle. Micro marring, spider webbing will still find their places on the paint. The true protection is PPF albiet very expensive at the moment
True. Ceramic Coating shouldn't even be compared since they offer completely different benefits. It was still a good video because many people assume they are the same.
@@cantthinkofnameyeah7249 I mean PPF can be infused with ceramic coating qualities.... but they are still different technologies... hence the different names lol
I heard applying and removing PPF improperly can damage the paint. Or leaving PPF on for too long can also damage the paint. Some people recommend just coating with graphene or ceramic. Do you have any comment about that?
Super helpful video. I had so many questions before watching this video. It looks like PPF with ceramic is the way to go but I can imagine that would be expensive. PPF for the win. Thank you!
Questions? If i put the pof on the frint lighting does it really protect the plastic or would i be wasting my money 💰 also should i do the sides door panels. Tks
I wish I would have went with PPF but because of my lack of understanding along with some over promising detail shops I thought ceramic offered me actual protection from scratches and light rock chips. Two days after the ceramic I had two rock chips. I put my money into ceramic when it should have went to PPF and then I could have applied consumer grade ceramic on myself.
Was there a 1yr or 2yr followup video on this? Would be interested to see after how much time did you reapply PPF? When you wax/polish the rest of the car does the PPF make the hood look dull since it has long term sun exposure. Do you need to reapply new PPF w annual wax/polish?
I'd love to see the differences with the lux/luminosity tester between the PPF and paint, whether ceramic coated or not. My feelings on PPF has always been that it's a disservice to paint quality as after PPF all you really see is the film quality. And all films will yellow over time, just at a rate that most people don't notice until it gets pulled off. So if you have a car that isn't expensive to paint, putting on PPF is really a mixed bag as your sacrificing paint quality for paint protection.
This is why I only have PPF on panels that are rock targets, and in the door handle wells. For me, the trade-off on looks/gloss was worth it to protect the paint. In reality, I'm probably the only one that notices. But when I'm showing someone my paintwork I show them the roof, not the hood.
@@JungleLarry I just got my whole front fenders forward painted for $2000. PPF to cover the same area is $2000. I can't seem to make it add up for me when the PPF I took off the car was only 3 years old and marred and already beginning to yellow. $2000 every 3-5 years for PPF or $2000 every 3-5 years for paint. Seems bad either way.
@@04sneakysnake For sure. On my Jeep I don't have any PPF because, quite frankly, I don't care. And because of the point you made: it's relatively cheap to repaint. On my other cars though, the scale tips in favor of PPF for value, protection, and ease of maintenance.
Great job breaking everything thing down and explaining it so well. I think the PPF stuff is great as an automotive painter I like the fact that it protects the paint so well. My concern is when the PPF film has to be removed. The PPF film looks like it’s a pain in the butt to remove.
I hate rock chips too and I was thinking about adding ppf to my BMW. Now I'm even more interested in adding ppf on top of the hood and front bumper. Very good videos with real world scenarios, using your own car!
How durable are PPF and Ceramic coating during harsh freezing winters and salt? Especially in situations where ice forms on the hood or windshields and needs to me scraped off or removed? Would that risk the film to come off with the built up ice?
What are your thoughts on getting a ceramic coating and adding PPF afterwards on my bumper and hood of my truck to kind of save the paint from road rash on bumper and rock chips on front of hood?
Advantage and DisAsvantage to both? What if they both stay in the heat of the sun which of the 2 can stand. Does the paint protection film can stand the heat of the sun?
So i just. bought a new black car. The dealership basically made me pay for a clear coat (is this also ceramic?) on the car. I'm a bit skeptical it was even applied or if its effective -even though they gave me a 3 year warranty. My question is what else can I do to ensure I have the best protection? Should I still get a PPF or is the coat enough and just ensure i have a specialized wash every 2 week?
Had my complete 22 xDrive M4 covered in STek DynoShield , DynoFlex, and Feynlabs ceramic. I already knew the benefits of both, going into it. I had my 2017 Cruze whole front end, done in xPEL Ultimate, and that still looked flawless after 100K miles. And I had paint corrected and ceramic coated my C7 and my Type R, myself, and the ceramic is worth its weight it gold. So, if you're on the fence about getting either done, just get it done. It's worth it. My M4 I had professionally done, because I wanted the whole car wrapped, and Feynlabs doesn't offer a pro coating to consumers. I wanted the good stuff. The self healing swirl marks, makes it worth it, alone.
I’m waiting on my 22 m4 comp, should be here in a month…. Been trying to decide wether to PPF the front end and then ceramic the whole care including the PPF area…… but I also want to be able to wrap it in about a year and hear you can’t wrap over ceramic coatings!??? Thoughts?
@@msimon84951 some shops claim they can do it. I’m not sure if trust if unless they can guarantee that you won’t have any issues. And if they’re going to wrap it, most likely the wrap prep is going to either weaken the coating, or remove it all together. It’s not that hard to remove a coating. Hit it with a highly acidic or alkaline strip wash, a few times, and it’ll likely be weak. That’s why it’s recommended to was a coated car with a PH neutral shampoo. Anything too far on either side of the scale, could damage the coating.
@@msimon84951 it can be done, the ceramic coating should and will be removed before the wrap can be installed as the wrap or PPF material will not adhere to the surface. A shop worth their weight would explain this entire process to you.
Lower quality PPF will fade over time due to the stress UV light has on these materials. Feel free to call one of our sales associates, and they can answer any additional questions you may have! (Free of charge) 😎
I will be interested in this for the new vehicle that I will be buying. I will be running it through car washes and will not be cleaning it fanatically like I used to when I was young. Is it worth the money?
Thanks for this - great demo of the treatments. It has really helped reinforce my decision to get PPF on my new Tesla M3. The cost always bothered me (particularly here in Oz), but seeing the difference and the protection PPF offers real world (albeit at the more extreme end) helps justify the expense - at least to my wife...
Did you end up getting ceramic too or just PPF? I'm also considering PPF but undecided on ceramic since I'd take it to hand car wash cafes anyway (Sydneysider here).
@@jace888au I just went the PPF noting it’s ‘self healing’ properties but also recognising it is a sacrificial layer. Six months post and the car still looks great - not a paint swirl or stone chip in sight… 👍
@@albuslee7147 I went the full PPF, mainly because the kids tend to drag their bags past the car in the garage. Also with their (and my wife's) nails, rings etc., when opening doors, the boot etc. It has also helped with one door ding so far as the paint underneath was not damaged.
Thank you so much for the sacrifice. This is such useful info, I can’t thank you enough. I will def subscribe to your challenge. You definitely helped me decide to get a PPF for sure 👏
Quick question…..I have read once in auto magazine that new paint releases some elements/gases…..OR in other words needs to breathe for 6 months before applying any protective film ……please someone clarify ….Thanks
Ceramic coating on top of PPF for hydrophobic and gloss benefits. Unless your PPF is infused with Ceramic coating it will not offer any cleaning benefits.
The first step in using ceramic coating or PPF is doing a color correction. You buff out any scratches and smooth out the paint to make it show room condition. Then you apply ceramic coating or PPF to lock in the shine with an extra layer of protection from wash/dry and elements.
@@robsmith5914 It depends on the type of PPF, PPF properties, thickness, and size of the debris strikes. I live in the southwest with posted highway speeds of 65-80 mph. Road rash from being sandy, baked on bug guts, hitting tumble weeds at 80 mph, and rock/debris strikes kicked up by the tires of other vehicles will damage painted surfaces. Very hard to find a vehicle in the southwest without a micro chips, large stars, dime sized chip, or cracks on their windshield. Add in UV damage to plastic headlight covers reduce night time visibility. I used 3M, XPEL, Suntek, and Exoshield windshield PPFs on my current and previous vehicles (like to keep my cars +10 years/+150,000 miles). The greatly reduce environmental and physical damage compared to not having the protection for up to 10 years. It does take some work on my part to keep the film at top performance; but, no different from taking care of a car with a clearcoat (wash/dry microfiber, clay bar once a year, occasional spot remover with hard water stains, use ceramic base wax). You just do the PPF maintenance way less compared to clearcoat/paint maintenance with a car without PPF. I wouldn't do PPF if you lease, change cars every 3-5 years, don't handwash at home, or don't wash at all (let the rain clean your car).
Great video... Better if you used the ceramic coating on the bottom part of the hood where the rock impact will be much more severe than higher on the hood where you have the ceramic coating in the vid... I have a 12 yr old Volvo where there are virtually zero rock chips at the top of the hood and many at the bottom.
Is there a specific reason to choose one over the other? They both seem to do pretty much the same thing but are drastically different costs, so what do they do differently from each other? Or should I just be ceramic coating the PPF?
They don’t do the same thing … ceramic coat makes the surface easier to clean but doesn’t protect against damage; PPF actually protects against rock chips and has self healing properties for light scratches.
I was quoted $2000 to ppf the front of my car and what I see here is after a while the front of the car looks awful with or without paint protection film, I get that you can take it off and your paint now looks brand new but now we have to replace the film again and that cost more money year after year you have to replace this stuff or your car just looks like it does without it who really can afford that I guess if you're rich or you can install it yourself its worth it but I'm thinking ill just get use to the chips as I have for 34 years I was really hoping for better results but thanks for the video
Cars are terrible investments. Just enjoy the car, wash it carefully, and drive carefully. If you ever sell the car, no one is going to care about a few light scratches or chips. They will care more about how well it was maintained, and if the car was in any accidents.
Hi so i wanted to ppf my car but i wanted to buy from ali express as i cans seem any dealers in belgium wich ppf did you buy exactly so i can look yours up?
Question I have ceramic pro on my truck and was thinking of putting a wrap on hood do I have to remove the ceramic coating before wrapping hood and then put ppf on wrap for protection ✌️👍🇨🇦
Is the self healing feature of PPF lose its strength over time? In that case it’s just a matter of time before scratches come up on the PPF as well. Same question with ceramic coating. How long will it sustain all the wear and tear? I can only assume that it’s safe to go with PPF and when it’s time to sell the car may be remove and cash in on the shine and maintenance.
Great video. Question. Would you recommend ceramic coating BEFORE applying PPF on a new car? Or would you just polish the base paint, PPF, then ceramic coat on top? Thanks for all your great videos!!
Would you guys recommend getting a ceramic coating over PPF on a vehicle that already has a few notable knicks in the paint from debris? Just got a black 4runnner were the paint is at an 8/10.
Re touchups, what you failed to mention is that the PPF side cannot be touched up - the touchup looks silly on the PPF. It wouldn't matter so much if PPF could easily be replaced, but it's too expensive. This is a reason NOT to use PPF
The downside to all this is that it cost a fortune to remove and reapply ppf if you get enough rock marks on it. So in the end maybe just save some money.
I would like this on my front bumper. 2012 Mercedes W212, the bumper is a gravel deflector with many small radius edges that take a beating. It needs a repaint after 11 years and then some film protection. It looks like a very complicated surface to wrap.
I'm considering a frozen (matte) paint on a new BMW I'm ordering. Would you recommend the ceramic coating be applied first with maybe a PPF on top of it? Thanks.
my plan for this spring to to add gtechniq csl and exo v4 on my corolla with 87,000 miles on it vs ppf because i would think ppf would cost to much $$$$ for me what to you suggest! i watch your channel love car detailing
What do you guys think of the results so far? Let me know down below!
Great test! I have front clip protection on my RS3 and whole paint protection + ceramic coating on the R8. Your assessment was exactly as I thought. Thank you for verifying!
I think after the video you´ve removed all... touchup rock chips, polish, ppf´ed again the whole hood and added ceramic coat on top... OCD like most of us around here.
Its really good
What is the best ceramic coating on top of PPF?
This is great. I have a full body PPF on my new Tesla Model Y and I would recommend to put it in a new car when you get it - don't wait. Just a month into it an A-Hole decided to use a lighter to burn the side of my door and then tried scratching it afterwards... I am NOT sure if he knew I had PPF but the PPF protected the paint.. it did mild permanent damage to the PPF though.
I initially from new had my car coated with G techniq and after a few years went down the ppf option. The ppf does protect against small stones. The scratches which do heal under heat which is fine where I live as it's northern Australia. The ppf is not as hydrophobic as the coatings. For this reason I coated the ppf with Atri Pro Nano Graphene and the car looks amazing now so much easier to keep clean and less water spotting.
HUGE difference-one actually protects the paint from chips and scratching (if self healing PPF) and the other is just a long term clear coat protectant like a wax/sealant
You say it like chemical resistance is a joke for ceramic coatings. In areas near the sea, bird poops are very acidic to the paint resulting in damage non fixable since it eats the clearcoat. Ceramic coated cars can be etched by this BUT the main difference is you can buff out the mark and just re apply another layer. So ceramic coating are really important too.
I had pff, it had a bunch of rock chips on it, when I removed it, it went through the clearcoat. so what's the point if its supposed to protect you from rock chips, downside is with PPF you can't just put touch up paint on it and buff it off. you're going to have to live with it in your car until you remove the PPF
@@TmoneyFatStacks not all PPF is created rqual
@@Matt.e_Black of course, i only had the Xpel “self healing” PPF, im telling you from my anecdotal experience.
@@TmoneyFatStacks watch tests with other brands, 3M looks great !
Fantastic video and real world demonstration of the benefits of both. Thank you for taking the time to put this together. Very well done.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!
My 50K mile car is Expel PPF since new. NO paint chips! I preach PPF all the time.
Did you do coating too? Or only PPF? I’m debating coating for minimizing scratches and shine
How thick is ppf?8mil?
Curious to know if the ppf has started to fade or turn a yellowish color. I've heard alot people say there ppf started doing that after a couple years
@@bobbydigital1747 depends on the brand. Some even last 10 years with 8 years warranty.
CAN U CERAMIC COAT EXPEL PPF?
The PPF protects the paint in my opinion against scratches rock chip and so on. Coating as I have understood, addes a small layer of clear coat, but doesnt protect as much as PPF, I got my whole front and hood covered with PPF, and I think its protects really good against rock chips etc.
I had my model X PPF applied when I bought it late 2020, front bumper to A pillars. It is performing as expected across the panels, but it’s failing near the cameras and some of the edges are getting very visible. For as much as the ppf cost I’m very disappointed, the defects really jump out no matter how glossy the car looks. To be clear this has nothing to do with Chicago Auto Pros, I am many states away.
Your installer sucked. Thats the reason. Its not the PPF.
PPF all day long!!!! Worth the money I’ve Installed them on past 3 vehicles, the piece of kind of no rock chips in the paint and having pristine paint work is worth it.
Ceramic /SiO2 coated the other areas of the car and it’s is a game changer. Car stays cleaner longer
How much was it for you. I got quoted 8.5k for both full body
It does prevent chips to paint work.. but you still have signed it chips and scratch on the protected film which you will be driving around. What’s the point of it? At what point do you take off the film to enjoy the actual car ?
@@sammyg805 Well, if it's a high end car, and you ever want to sell it, you can remove the ppf and the paint will still look good.
Not really @@nerychristian
PPF is an amazing advancement in protection but can likely do harm to the paint if you wait longer than 5-7 years to remove it. Future iterations of these products will hopefully improve.
Sounds like having both is the way to go
2 things I have noticed with PPF. 1st. the self-healing properties do not last forever, It does diminish over time, and seems to diminish faster with UV exposure and poor maintenance. When it does, it seems to scratch much easier than the clear coat. 2nd when removing old PPF, I have seen impact damage that did not penetrate the film but delaminate the paint underneath and look like a rock chip. Although rare and the PPF did do a great job of protecting the rest of the surface and preventing rust where the damage was.
100% ive seen the same thing with impact damage... a buddy took the PPF off his bumper because it was old and yellowing and apparently at some point someone had backed into it and when he took the film off it took a bunch of paint the size of a baseball and spiderwebbed out from the center with it. Also if you leave it on for a period of time and then remove it the rest of the paint ages at a different rate and appears to be a different shade which also requres a repaint. I personally think PPF is a waste of money. Ceramic seems like the new snake oil to me. Id be interested if it didnt cost $1000+
Yeah, just give it time and after many years PPF will fail. If you hang on to your car long enough you’ll have real trouble removing it. 3M made similar film to protect hoods etc, guess what it failed over time and the exposure to UV.
Do you recommend doing BOTH PPF and ceramic coating together?
I would recommend doing both, but be careful of the brands you choose. Some manufacturers will not warranty a PPF film if their coatings weren’t used. You can’t use any other coatings on Xpel PPF other than Xpel coatings
@@Tintmasterswindowtinting thanks for the tip. What do you think of 3M brand ppf?
@@amyskelton it’s decent make sure the company that offers it offers the paint warranty also
@@Tintmasterswindowtinting thank you. When you say "offers the paint warranty also", do you mean, they warranty to repaint it if the ppf pulls off the paint? Sorry if that sounds dumb, I'm new to this.
@@amyskelton yes, that’s what it mean
I did hear though. Depending on how long you keep your car. The PPF will protect against paint fade. Unless you have the car fully PPF’d you will have areas that are slightly lighter and darker if the PPF isn’t covering those areas. Ultimately a full PPF is where you wouldn’t get those effects compared to partial.
Great video to reinforce that the PPF and ceramic coating on our cars were the right choice. They have been on my Tesla since I purchased it in 2018 and on my wife’s Y since 2020. Very easy to maintain and keep clean.
PFF and Ceramic Coating? You can do both on a car?
@Satya Chandra I ended up with Ceramic Coating. i'm happy with the work!
@@vednar99Apparently you can apply a ceramic coating over a PPF.
This is such a money grab .. guy comes to you with just buying a 75k brand new car and of course wave Rico everything to protect it so obviously not an expert in PPE film I hope not but ok.
They tell you oh you def need this man you car is going to get scary here andbbeat up and PPF is going to just totally prevent that… and it’s only $430🙀 or you get a professional ceramic coating and take good care of you care and it Either one or the other to get PPF and then to get also a ceramic coating is just them taking money out of your bank account idiots please listen up you only need one both are not necessary please let me repeat do not get both of these treatments they will gladly do them both do not get both pick one and be happy
Nice. Good video to show anyone that doubts PPF.
I got model y in the Uk brand new - first thing I did was full body PPF with ceramic coat on top. The car still looks brand new after 2 months with no washing because it’s still clean!
Have 3M PPF it saved my car from many rock chips, especially the hood, rocker panels & front bumper.
Very informative video! I had always wondered if it was worth putting a coating on top of PPF, and I'd definitely say yes, for the hydrophobic properties of.
Agreed! It makes maintaining the film so much easier.
May I know the brand of the ceramic coating used on this video? ❤️
Shouldn’t the coating be under the ppf ?
the coating supposes to be under the ppf. why did you do the weirdly opposit way to make the film clean and shiny, not the paint?
@@ChicagoAutoPros Wouldn't it be better to put the coating underneath the PPF?
depend on the purpose. If the purpose is to protect from light scratch / stone chips then go with PPF ( usually with self healing ).
But if the shiny or look is your purpose then you go with coating. I'd suggest if the car is for daily use then you should go with PPF. If u want cheap option, u can use vinyl wrap. U can just ignore the light scratch / swirl mark because it's just on the vinyl not the car paint. But if u have 2nd car then u should go with coating.
Should you put ceramic coating on top of PPF - or put PPF on top of ceramic coating?
Ceramic coating goes on top of PPF. Xpel makes a coating specifically for this purpose.
I just went through this, the guy at the shop said to apply it over the PPF for best results.
Bug guts etc come off much better.
super interesting, definitely considering PPF after seeing this
Great demonstration of the benefits of Ceramic and PPF.
I am undecided between ceramic coating vs PPF, I want rock chip protection hence PPF is the choice. But I am not sure in terms of ease of maintenance, is PPF easier to maintain comparing to ceramic coating?
Ceramic Coating is applied over the PPF or should be..much easier to maintain..bug guts etc
PPF is nice but it doesn't make sense to most people when it costs as much as repainting the car. It is there after all, to protect the paint, right? And what good is it when it costs just as much as a repaint?
For me, PPF is the way to go. Especially when u want to sell the car. Remove PPF, car looks new, original paint. Furthermore, repaint vs install PPF. Install PPF is faster, tho removing it might be a nightmare
I personally feel that the Ceramic Coatings just help in easier cleaning of the vehicle. Micro marring, spider webbing will still find their places on the paint. The true protection is PPF albiet very expensive at the moment
True. Ceramic Coating shouldn't even be compared since they offer completely different benefits. It was still a good video because many people assume they are the same.
@@NJ_Scat_Hemi_Orange lol some guy at a film shop said both ppf and cermic coating are the exact same thing and I just pretended to agree .
@@cantthinkofnameyeah7249 I mean PPF can be infused with ceramic coating qualities.... but they are still different technologies... hence the different names lol
I heard applying and removing PPF improperly can damage the paint. Or leaving PPF on for too long can also damage the paint. Some people recommend just coating with graphene or ceramic. Do you have any comment about that?
PPF is expensive but worth it. $2000.00 for my front end on my new truck
Super helpful video. I had so many questions before watching this video. It looks like PPF with ceramic is the way to go but I can imagine that would be expensive. PPF for the win. Thank you!
Questions? If i put the pof on the frint lighting does it really protect the plastic or would i be wasting my money 💰 also should i do the sides door panels. Tks
Why not cover the front bonnet from PPF and other parts with ceramic coating 🤔.
Will this work?
I wish I would have went with PPF but because of my lack of understanding along with some over promising detail shops I thought ceramic offered me actual protection from scratches and light rock chips. Two days after the ceramic I had two rock chips. I put my money into ceramic when it should have went to PPF and then I could have applied consumer grade ceramic on myself.
Ya I’m having PPF on my entire front end, pricy as hell, but I want to take good care of the vehicle
Thanks for this outstanding review. I am sure many people will find this useful when deciding which option to take
Was there a 1yr or 2yr followup video on this? Would be interested to see after how much time did you reapply PPF? When you wax/polish the rest of the car does the PPF make the hood look dull since it has long term sun exposure. Do you need to reapply new PPF w annual wax/polish?
Great explanation and video. Helps us detailers explain without explaining. Greatly appreciated.
Glad you found the video useful, thanks for watching!
Very professional video!! Thank you for this! Having a film on it makes a huge difference 💯
I'd love to see the differences with the lux/luminosity tester between the PPF and paint, whether ceramic coated or not. My feelings on PPF has always been that it's a disservice to paint quality as after PPF all you really see is the film quality. And all films will yellow over time, just at a rate that most people don't notice until it gets pulled off. So if you have a car that isn't expensive to paint, putting on PPF is really a mixed bag as your sacrificing paint quality for paint protection.
This is why I only have PPF on panels that are rock targets, and in the door handle wells. For me, the trade-off on looks/gloss was worth it to protect the paint. In reality, I'm probably the only one that notices. But when I'm showing someone my paintwork I show them the roof, not the hood.
@@JungleLarry I just got my whole front fenders forward painted for $2000. PPF to cover the same area is $2000. I can't seem to make it add up for me when the PPF I took off the car was only 3 years old and marred and already beginning to yellow. $2000 every 3-5 years for PPF or $2000 every 3-5 years for paint. Seems bad either way.
@@04sneakysnake For sure. On my Jeep I don't have any PPF because, quite frankly, I don't care. And because of the point you made: it's relatively cheap to repaint. On my other cars though, the scale tips in favor of PPF for value, protection, and ease of maintenance.
@@JungleLarry Very true. I wish I had paint expensive enough to protect lol
Spot on, using any film on top of factory paint makes the orange peel effect that much worse. If you like sharp reflections, stay away from PPF.
Great job breaking everything thing down and explaining it so well. I think the PPF stuff is great as an automotive painter I like the fact that it protects the paint so well. My concern is when the PPF film has to be removed. The PPF film looks like it’s a pain in the butt to remove.
I hate rock chips too and I was thinking about adding ppf to my BMW. Now I'm even more interested in adding ppf on top of the hood and front bumper.
Very good videos with real world scenarios, using your own car!
Thanks, I would definitely recommend it!
why not do both? ppf + ceramic coating on top ?
@@dnegel9546 cost a fortune that’s why, are this few Rick chips worth 5-7k
Does it ever pill off from bad windy and rainy weather? Hot/cold like weather in Florida? And how much does it usually cost for most mid size suv's
Entire front end $1900.00
Ceramic coat the PPF.....
Would you ppf an older vehicle? 11’ LS460
How durable are PPF and Ceramic coating during harsh freezing winters and salt? Especially in situations where ice forms on the hood or windshields and needs to me scraped off or removed? Would that risk the film to come off with the built up ice?
How about choose a PPF with a superhydrophobic effect directly?
Nice demo. I'm definitely getting front end PPF on my next car
Definitely recommend it!
What are your thoughts on getting a ceramic coating and adding PPF afterwards on my bumper and hood of my truck to kind of save the paint from road rash on bumper and rock chips on front of hood?
For a fresh new PPF installation, are having bubbles and loose edges film normal? Is the ceramic coating applied right after PPF installation?
Great video I am definitely going to think about it
Advantage and DisAsvantage to both? What if they both stay in the heat of the sun which of the 2 can stand. Does the paint protection film can stand the heat of the sun?
Thanks for showing all the differences. Truly appreciate it.
So i just. bought a new black car. The dealership basically made me pay for a clear coat (is this also ceramic?) on the car. I'm a bit skeptical it was even applied or if its effective -even though they gave me a 3 year warranty. My question is what else can I do to ensure I have the best protection? Should I still get a PPF or is the coat enough and just ensure i have a specialized wash every 2 week?
The dealership might have applied Permaplate, which is more like a wax. I’m new to cars though
The dealer uses a very cheap ceramic version
So I just got my new car and now I’m a little confused, do I need to do the ceramic coating before PPF or after?
PPF then have the Ceramic Coating applied, helps with Bug guts etc
But what happen with the self healing properties of the PPF when you apply a rigid ceramic coat on top?
What about the difference between the Ceramic Coated and the PPF (top halves)? Thanks!
What about putting the Ceramic coating on top of the PPF? Benifits or Con's?
Go for Stek Dynoshield PPF. It has ceramic coating infused
I’d have it applied over top, resistance to bug guts etc. the PPF on its own hasn’t got the same resistance
Damn! Just ordered a Model 3 LR and was on the fence WRT PPF. You got me convinced! Cheers.
Had my complete 22 xDrive M4 covered in STek DynoShield , DynoFlex, and Feynlabs ceramic. I already knew the benefits of both, going into it. I had my 2017 Cruze whole front end, done in xPEL Ultimate, and that still looked flawless after 100K miles. And I had paint corrected and ceramic coated my C7 and my Type R, myself, and the ceramic is worth its weight it gold. So, if you're on the fence about getting either done, just get it done. It's worth it. My M4 I had professionally done, because I wanted the whole car wrapped, and Feynlabs doesn't offer a pro coating to consumers. I wanted the good stuff. The self healing swirl marks, makes it worth it, alone.
I’m waiting on my 22 m4 comp, should be here in a month…. Been trying to decide wether to PPF the front end and then ceramic the whole care including the PPF area…… but I also want to be able to wrap it in about a year and hear you can’t wrap over ceramic coatings!??? Thoughts?
@@msimon84951 some shops claim they can do it. I’m not sure if trust if unless they can guarantee that you won’t have any issues. And if they’re going to wrap it, most likely the wrap prep is going to either weaken the coating, or remove it all together. It’s not that hard to remove a coating. Hit it with a highly acidic or alkaline strip wash, a few times, and it’ll likely be weak. That’s why it’s recommended to was a coated car with a PH neutral shampoo. Anything too far on either side of the scale, could damage the coating.
@@msimon84951 it can be done, the ceramic coating should and will be removed before the wrap can be installed as the wrap or PPF material will not adhere to the surface. A shop worth their weight would explain this entire process to you.
I’d like to know more about the “yellowing” over time with ppf? Thank you!
Lower quality PPF will fade over time due to the stress UV light has on these materials. Feel free to call one of our sales associates, and they can answer any additional questions you may have! (Free of charge) 😎
I just put some shirk wrap over the front when I go on road trips and pull it off when I park up.
Works a treat!
Interesting experiment ! Just a simple question, does coating a PPF with a ceramic affect the self healing of the film ?
Thanks for your answer
that is a good question, I would like to know as well.
Engineering Explained tested it and it improved self healing. Only problem is the price..
I will be interested in this for the new vehicle that I will be buying. I will be running it through car washes and will not be cleaning it fanatically like I used to when I was young. Is it worth the money?
Very good and precise video. All the essential informations are clear. Thanks👍
Thanks for this - great demo of the treatments. It has really helped reinforce my decision to get PPF on my new Tesla M3. The cost always bothered me (particularly here in Oz), but seeing the difference and the protection PPF offers real world (albeit at the more extreme end) helps justify the expense - at least to my wife...
Me too! I get my M3 on Friday and it’s going in for full ppf on Monday. I’ll apply ceramic coat when I get it back
Did you end up getting ceramic too or just PPF? I'm also considering PPF but undecided on ceramic since I'd take it to hand car wash cafes anyway (Sydneysider here).
@@jace888au I just went the PPF noting it’s ‘self healing’ properties but also recognising it is a sacrificial layer. Six months post and the car still looks great - not a paint swirl or stone chip in sight… 👍
@@stevenandminna Nice outcome so far! May I ask did you get the full PPF or just for the front part?
@@albuslee7147 I went the full PPF, mainly because the kids tend to drag their bags past the car in the garage. Also with their (and my wife's) nails, rings etc., when opening doors, the boot etc. It has also helped with one door ding so far as the paint underneath was not damaged.
Thank you so much for the sacrifice. This is such useful info, I can’t thank you enough.
I will def subscribe to your challenge.
You definitely helped me decide to get a PPF for sure 👏
Is the new Ion coatings better than PPF?
I live in central WI, and you convinced me about PPF, especially since I do drive on gravel farm roads all of the time.
Quick question…..I have read once in auto magazine that new paint releases some elements/gases…..OR in other words needs to breathe for 6 months before applying any protective film ……please someone clarify ….Thanks
Gtechniq or Ceramic Pro coating which is better?
Awesome demonstration
Thanks!
PPF is king
what is the logic of doing a ceramic coat on top of the ppf? how does that work?
That was what this whole video is about
Ceramic coating on top of PPF for hydrophobic and gloss benefits. Unless your PPF is infused with Ceramic coating it will not offer any cleaning benefits.
I am a bit confused. What's the best option than ? Should I ceramic coat + ppf ?
Yes, PPF on its own won’t resist bug guts etc
How does the paint itself become blacker and deeper in colour if you aren’t re-painting. How does the ceramic make the paint more of its colour?
The first step in using ceramic coating or PPF is doing a color correction. You buff out any scratches and smooth out the paint to make it show room condition. Then you apply ceramic coating or PPF to lock in the shine with an extra layer of protection from wash/dry and elements.
@@mrgold3591 does protect against rock chips or just environmental conditions?
@@robsmith5914 It depends on the type of PPF, PPF properties, thickness, and size of the debris strikes. I live in the southwest with posted highway speeds of 65-80 mph. Road rash from being sandy, baked on bug guts, hitting tumble weeds at 80 mph, and rock/debris strikes kicked up by the tires of other vehicles will damage painted surfaces. Very hard to find a vehicle in the southwest without a micro chips, large stars, dime sized chip, or cracks on their windshield. Add in UV damage to plastic headlight covers reduce night time visibility.
I used 3M, XPEL, Suntek, and Exoshield windshield PPFs on my current and previous vehicles (like to keep my cars +10 years/+150,000 miles). The greatly reduce environmental and physical damage compared to not having the protection for up to 10 years. It does take some work on my part to keep the film at top performance; but, no different from taking care of a car with a clearcoat (wash/dry microfiber, clay bar once a year, occasional spot remover with hard water stains, use ceramic base wax). You just do the PPF maintenance way less compared to clearcoat/paint maintenance with a car without PPF.
I wouldn't do PPF if you lease, change cars every 3-5 years, don't handwash at home, or don't wash at all (let the rain clean your car).
I just got the front of mine wrapped, I wish I would have not waited a month, I already had a couple small chips in the hood
Great video... Better if you used the ceramic coating on the bottom part of the hood where the rock impact will be much more severe than higher on the hood where you have the ceramic coating in the vid... I have a 12 yr old Volvo where there are virtually zero rock chips at the top of the hood and many at the bottom.
I'm local to you and am waiting for the day I buy a brand spakin new vehical so I can get it corrected and clear coated.
We'll be here!
Is there a specific reason to choose one over the other? They both seem to do pretty much the same thing but are drastically different costs, so what do they do differently from each other? Or should I just be ceramic coating the PPF?
They don’t do the same thing … ceramic coat makes the surface easier to clean but doesn’t protect against damage; PPF actually protects against rock chips and has self healing properties for light scratches.
Would you put ceramic coating over the ppf ✌️🇨🇦🇺🇸
I was quoted $2000 to ppf the front of my car and what I see here is after a while the front of the car looks awful with or without paint protection film, I get that you can take it off and your paint now looks brand new but now we have to replace the film again and that cost more money year after year you have to replace this stuff or your car just looks like it does without it who really can afford that I guess if you're rich or you can install it yourself its worth it but I'm thinking ill just get use to the chips as I have for 34 years I was really hoping for better results but thanks for the video
Cars are terrible investments. Just enjoy the car, wash it carefully, and drive carefully. If you ever sell the car, no one is going to care about a few light scratches or chips. They will care more about how well it was maintained, and if the car was in any accidents.
Ya probably a lower quality was used. I also just got an estimate yesterday for the front end of my new F150…$2000.00 as well here in south Canada
Canadian here, if I apply PPF on my new car, will the film repair itself after winter?
Hi so i wanted to ppf my car but i wanted to buy from ali express as i cans seem any dealers in belgium wich ppf did you buy exactly so i can look yours up?
Question I have ceramic pro on my truck and was thinking of putting a wrap on hood do I have to remove the ceramic coating before wrapping hood and then put ppf on wrap for protection ✌️👍🇨🇦
Can I put PPF if I already got ceramic coating applied?
You certainly can, but typically we ceramic coat over the PPF.
It looks like the film is making the paint look dull! I want this but I need my vehicle to retain it high glass! What should I do? Help!! :/
Hi there guys have you had any experience with boats and especially glass protection .thanks Dave
Is the self healing feature of PPF lose its strength over time? In that case it’s just a matter of time before scratches come up on the PPF as well. Same question with ceramic coating. How long will it sustain all the wear and tear? I can only assume that it’s safe to go with PPF and when it’s time to sell the car may be remove and cash in on the shine and maintenance.
Great video. Question. Would you recommend ceramic coating BEFORE applying PPF on a new car? Or would you just polish the base paint, PPF, then ceramic coat on top? Thanks for all your great videos!!
i'm getting my bumper ppf first then ceramic coat it
The ppf won’t adhere if you ceramic coat the car first
@@Zoranurai13 Good to know.
Would you guys recommend getting a ceramic coating over PPF on a vehicle that already has a few notable knicks in the paint from debris? Just got a black 4runnner were the paint is at an 8/10.
You can certainly do that, but each knick will still be noticeable under the PPF.
@Chicago Auto Pros I appreciate the response! Trying to decide between coating + ppf or straight up re-painting.
Jason is a 2012 Bentley continental clear coat hard or soft.
Re touchups, what you failed to mention is that the PPF side cannot be touched up - the touchup looks silly on the PPF. It wouldn't matter so much if PPF could easily be replaced, but it's too expensive. This is a reason NOT to use PPF
Just picked up my Y and thinking of PPF. Which company do you recommend and why. Thanks
Does this protect from rusts?
The downside to all this is that it cost a fortune to remove and reapply ppf if you get enough rock marks on it. So in the end maybe just save some money.
Does the ceramic coating on top inhibit the self-healing of the PPF (with the heat gun) at all? Was this XPel PPF? Thanks.
No it will not
What kind of cloth should I use to wash or wipe away any dirt without messing up and scratching the paint?
micro fiber
I would like this on my front bumper. 2012 Mercedes W212, the bumper is a gravel deflector with many small radius edges that take a beating. It needs a repaint after 11 years and then some film protection. It looks like a very complicated surface to wrap.
I'm considering a frozen (matte) paint on a new BMW I'm ordering. Would you recommend the ceramic coating be applied first with maybe a PPF on top of it? Thanks.
Excellent demostration.
Thanks for making all these videos, they are very helpful and helped me decided that PPF is a must for any new car purchase I make.
my plan for this spring to to add gtechniq csl and exo v4 on my corolla with 87,000 miles on it vs ppf because i would think ppf would cost to much $$$$ for me what to you suggest! i watch your channel love car detailing
Great Video explaining the differences!
This was extremely helpful, I'm receiving a polestar2 soon and was confused by all the xpel options.
I typically just wax, but I'm going to be getting a black car and I'll PPF as even the tiniest swirl is so noticable with black.