Tek Yumi Then why doesn't GT change it's review score and re-review XIII if that's the case? Or at least admit Square-Enix bribed them or something. It's sad knowing that any good opinions about XIII that are lies. Why didn't GT defend it's score all those years ago?
Stephen Mc Devitt because if they had really paid for it then it's their score, you can't just change it later on them......but that doesn't mean they can't go bash it years later lol
THiRD EYE KAii But still... It's really jarring that they won't even owe up to their previous opinions but most likely Square-Enix will only allow it just in time to get people to buy their next game.
Sanger Zonvolt Which is why I liked it a lot as I am not one to favor turn-based combat, because it's boring to me. But I still appreciated the lore and stories of each FF game, the combat is what kept me from getting in immersed in it fully.
Though i do like this game, the release day was rushed.sadly some of the best missions occurred after you beat the game ,found in the extras 100 kills with magic and so on. These mission's were originally intended for the main game play and would have provided a more open world fell.
I have played almost everything ever called Final Fantasy from the very beginning, and saying FFXIII is on the top 10 worst list is laughable. It wasn't one of the strongest entries sure. If you just played the storyline it was fairly short and pretty easy. However if you did all the side bosses/quests it had all the specialized grinding for armors/weapons/stats requiring well executed strategies. The combat system was also very decent compared to other crap on the market at the time. People just didn't like it because their expectations were ridiculously high for the first HD game and instead the game was just an averagely good game.
By the time I reached the end of the story, I just wanted the game to be over. Aside from that, I do agree about people having expectations way too high. The only thing really that bothered me was hallway syndrome. Otherwise, the other complaints do not apply to me. I think most people hate it just because it's cool to hate it.
+corronchilejano I found it good from the very beginning. I don't know, I still enjoyed FF13 more than many other "popular" game like Deus Ex, CoD, Atelier Rorona, Bravely Default, Smash Bros., Devil May Cry, Fifa, Far Cry, Blur.... I tried them all - games from various genres, but still find games like FF and KH the best (no matter the age) - just my own personal taste. So I couldn't care less about the "people don't like that", the gamer-community can surely make gaming less fun... :-/
Aaron Calloway No knock on 4, it just IS very linear No matter what you're gonna have the exact same party at the exact same levels at the exact same time every single time you play the game Party composition wasn't even a thing until the GBA and PSP versions and even then thats only for the final dungeon and the bonus dungeon
Not going to lie: I like Final Fantasy XIII, and Dirge of Cerberus. Final Fantasy XIII introduced me to the franchise, so I kind of enjoyed it, even if it's definitely one of the weaker entries I've played. Dirge of Cerberus was kind of a cool third person action game, I mean it's no where near as good as some action games, but at the same time it was still a enjoyable game that was good for wasting a few hours.
557deadpool I don't give it a pass because it was my first, but because I had nothing else to compare it to when I played it, so it seemed like a good game.
I dont care what people say about Final fantasy 13 and Dirge of Cerburus. I love those 2 games to death. D.O.C was a really good way to fill some blanks for the FF7 story, and Final fantasy 13 part 1 was the hardest from all the lightning games which was a true challenge and that made me love the game. Also the storyline felt true to its core and managed to let the player make a connection to all characters not just 1 or 2.The other two games (part 2 and lightning returns) Felt Easy while still great but easy. Lightning is my bae :3
+Chris Atlas Jimenez in my opinion, FFXIII lacks some things that made its predecessors some really very enjoyable games.... And yeah, in FFXIII it was really a pain in the ass to have all the greatest weapons and to finish all its "sidequests" because of that. There's almost no way to get easy money or any kind of hidden tricks so that you can quickly upgrade, the only way are some foes that you don't encounter anymore after you beat the game, if you beat the game without taking advantage of that enemy the rest of the possibilities takes just too much time and gets too much repetitive, if not frustrating. For me all other FFs that I played before was better in almost every aspect, FFXIII for me was great at graphics, but not soo great at the story as it should be, and instead of FFXIII-2 (that made some improvements) square could just make some Chrono series game, that is stuck on Chrono Cross (PS1), at least it's what FFXIII-2 fells like, a Chrono series game with a really messed up story, with just two playable characters with almost zero charisma, and a really really bad end, some Chrono game maybe could be better. Hope Square could be more like it was before changing to Square-Enix.
Not going to judge since I can see how people would like FFXIII, but the problem for me is some of the choices made in the game's creation. Whether if it is the long hallway, simplistic combat system, meaningless rating system, confusing as all hell weapon progression, and... that train wreck of story... I'm sorry, but as soon as I beat the game, I had to trade it back in since it was almost like it was mocking me for trying to finish the game towards the end.
I personally love XIII and its sequels. My son and I are currently playing through the series. It's not THE BEST but I do t think it belongs on the worst list.
You again, huh? How about you not try and police what my son and I enjoy. As I already told you on a different comment section, your opinion doesn't matter. You don't like the XIII series? Good for you. I don't care. My son and I do.
disturbedmediocrity How is see this game, if you compare it to other Final Fantasy and Squaresoft standards games it's bad. But you compare it to what other compagnies does in general and the medium RPG you'll meet on the market it's pretty decent.
+IAmWolfypoo Is a good game. Is not the best. But is very enjoyable (and depend if you like the leveling system), and i agree that doesn't belong here. Is ridiculous how high it is on the list.
Why would I invest trillions of billions of hours into a game for it to be good at some point when I can play a final fantasy game that is good within the first few minutes?
well, its not that i have another necessarily in mind to replace dirge, i just think it shouldnt be on this list at all. but....i dunno....maybe 12? for the most ridiculous combat system ever.
chris batchelder I agree 12 had a meh combat system (personally i love that change from turnbased) but if you can get past it that game is a masterpiece truely. The story is amazing and it stays true to the ways of FF. Even the combat system for being so different is pretty perfect. All of the bosses can be extremely challenging and even if youre higher leveled and geared out right those strong bosses are still really strong. The final boss fight is grueling and lackluster but its a great great story. Personally FF12 and FFDD are my 2 all time favorite FF games because of how perfect the stories are. One last thing oh thank god nobody has had anything bad to say about FFDD yet XD.
Dman41000 you know what? ill agree with you on 12's combat system. while it pisses me off and makes progress slow, it is still a breath of fresh air from turnbase. and the story (exceot pennelo, god i hate her) is really good
Honestly its been a couple years since i played it i dont remember how terrible Pennelo was XD. I do remember that my main team was Basch (2h Sword) Ashe (Sword Shield Magic Espers) and Pennelo (Sword Shield Magic Espers). But 12 is on the must play list for people who havent played it and the cinematics for it were like on par with early ps3 games cinematics.
It wasn't 'that good' either. It was the most linear FF game by far, the combat was mostly "mash X" until you got to the last few bosses where you suddenly needed to use paradigm shifts to win, the story wasn't great, the characters are pretty bland and the players unput into combat and leveling was pretty minimal. It ditches most of the stuff you expect to find in a direct FF sequel. It would have probably been better received if it wasn't a numbered sequel and was just an FF spinoff, or even a different title entirely but compared to other games, it was just bad. You could also say the same about XI and XIV being too different from other numbered sequels but, I've always thought they should have been named Final Fantasy Online rather than a direct numbered sequel. At least they are good though.
linkno1 I hate the argument of "it was just mash X the whole game" Ummmm news flash, almost every Final Fantasy is like that, and almost EVERY FF was just as linear, only disguised it better! In FF13 all you had to do was to go to the option menu and change the default battle command to set it on abilities instead of auto battle... then BAM, simple as that! But all the other stuff I can agree with, but it still was not a bad game, just different, I would compare it to FF8. And I would score it a 8 out of 10!
youngsexynerd1 Even if you disabled auto attack, every battle option was under abilities and it was just as effective to use the first option in abilities (which was either 'attack' or 'ruin') for 95% of the game meaning you could still mash 'X' and see the end of it. I also wouldn't say it's as linear as the other FF games at all. I can't even think of what other FF game to compare it to because non of them have you crawling down a corridor for 20 hours. Hid it better? Sure they did, through overall better game design.
Drakkona123 Actually, if the After Years wouldn't have taken so many elements from FF4, and they were unique to the After Years, it would have been better than FF4.
dertien vijfenvijftig The band abilities and Cecil's Riku-like character development really sell that game for me. Also, the amount of optional characters, spells, areas, and countless other things you can do in that game just make it one of the most wonderful FF experiences for me. They took a world that they had made and expanded upon it, and they're awesome for that. I just don't understand why Luca has a face. I thought Dwarven faces were jet black, not brown.
Omar Gharbieh I mean... I had that patience in ME3. But you know what? ME3 was also actually a good game. Not just something you could like if you were a fan of going onto every video where someone says "It wasn't good." and saying "AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO ACTUALLY LiKEd it!?"
The FFXIII Saga was actually quite brilliant and Vanille is arguably the most redeemable character. She was a nice contrast to Lightning, but also faced her inner demons because everything was basically her fault. By the end of Lightning Returns, I'd say she's definitely one of the best characters from XIII.
OperationDEEZ The most interesting thing about Final Fantasy II is how many staples of the series first appeared in that game (chocobos, Leviathan, some dude named Cid, characters with unique names and personalities).As an artifact of video gaming history, it's sort of interesting, but as an actual game it's rotten. The stat progression system was already hinted at in the video, but let's go into it, and other problems, deeper: 1) Stat Progression Increasing your stats comes from using your equipment. So to increase your Strength, you make an attack. To increase you HP, you take damage. To increase your Magic, you cast spells. You also cast spells to level them up. Every spell you acquire starts out at level 1, and must be raised to at least 4 or 5 to be useful in the later parts of the game. You must cast the spells hundreds of times, and you have a few charges each between inn rests. And you must do this for every spell. Did I mention yet that as physical stats go up, magic ones go down? In addition, to increase your Dexterity, you successfully dodge (hope you are using shields for this, which decrease your offensive stats). You want high Dexterity because it governs how easily you can run from encounters. But even with your dexterity and evade maxed out there are a large number of enemy formations it's impossible to run away from. 2) Empty rooms Most dungeons in Final Fantasy games have side rooms that you want to explore because you will find treasures like weapons and armor that are immensely useful. Final Fantasy II does the opposite. It has a huge number of dungeons with tons of doors that lead to nothing. And it puts you in the middle of the room about six steps away from the door. In a game where every step is a possible random encounter that you probably cannot flee from, this is crossing the line into trolling. 3) Worthless party members Firion, Maria, and Guy stay with you through the entire game. The fourth spot is filled by a different person as the plot demands. Most of the time it will be filled by someone who has horrible stats and no skills (I'm looking at you, Gordon), requiring you to stop the game and spend an hour or two grinding them up to acceptable levels. 4) Tiny inventory This game gives you a single inventory panel that holds exactly 32 unique items, and every single thing you ever get goes in there. By the end of the game, about a third of it is filled with quest items that you used once and do nothing but take up space. They even drop Richard's dragon in there, again presumably just to troll you. Yes it's neat to read about its influence on the series, but never think for a moment that you should actually sit down and play this game. Go watch some Let's Play videos or something.
I gave the psp version a try. I diligently leveled spells maxed HP and MP got Genji stuff and Masamunes for everyone and I quit at the final dungeon because drain attacks. It felt like I wasted my time...
Even if the PSP version was great, the original version was still really broken and annoying. I guess it goes to show how remakes can really improve a game.
+massimiliano zoli Actually it is challenging to a majority of people, so if you're going to bitch and whine to someone about it, think of a better argument
***** I have no idea what you're blabbering about, but if you had to fight for 40 minutes, you are just straight up bad and need to look up a tutorial or something
I actually like Dirge of Cerberus since it was such a different type of game play than the other final fantasy games. The only problem I have with the game is that the final boss is super easy to beat. The game had great music though.
Thank you. I don't know why they're giving it crap. It was a good game that played well and had a great story. And the upgrade system for the guns was awesome.
+Meloaufve Xberinor yeah i think so too. i think it was really fun to play and it gave lot of opportunities to eliminate enemies from far away (sniper) which i really liked :)
I think its dumb to include FF13 and Dirge of Cerberus on this list... Sure FF13 didn't live up to its hype but that's not the games fault, its everyone else's for expecting the game to be something its not! If you put your nostalgia on the back burner and play FF13 for what it is, you find its actually a pretty fun game, with some good ideas and very technically solid! Although they could lose about 90% of the soap opera, melodrama, at least when the melodrama is not happening every 5 minutes I find my self really, REALLY enjoying it! Also props for putting FF2 ahead of FF13, that's always a point a bring up when people act like FF13 is the worst main title, its like people completely forgot about the first 3 FFs, and some can argue FF5 is worse also!
Jason Sacuta It was very melodramatic for about half of the game, then that's when the game and story starts to really get good. I just don't think people who complain about it actually even made it to the 2nd half of the game, witch is fantastic!
You make more sense than anybody else. Fuck nostalgia. Everyone should remember when ff 13 came out the franchise was already 22 years old. At that point if your still playing ff for nostalgia then you shouldn't bother because I'll admit its going to be a waste of your time. and btw ff5 is the second worse after 2. I'm glad at least one person here agrees with me
youngsexynerd1 melodrama is usually a good thing depending (if anything FF9 didn't handle the melodrama very well) ho2da I think the worst (at least storyline wise) is 9.
***** That is most certainly true, however, if you liked FF X, and i'm sure you did cuz everybody loves that one except for me, despite the lack of free roam exploration why do u hate FF XIII cuz of something that FF X did, but u have not hate toward FF X? I wonder if you can answer my question. o and btw I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, it's just when your reading a comment it's hard to tell when someone is being sarcastic, but which in this case I'm not being sarcastic or hating on you because you have a different opinion I just wanna know the answer to the previously stated question.
The hate on FFXIII for linear gameplay is tragically hilarious. FFX was just as linear if not more so since random encounters were scaled back and the end game becomes so painfully apparent of what you should be doing that the creators even give you Auto-Life for the final battle. If that's not hand holding, then I don't know what is. Why does no one ever bring up FFXII and it's horribly crippled storyline, unimaginative characters and side quests that were so immersive it took away from the storyline and you'd just get lost going from Hunt to Hunt? How about that miserable boss fight at the end? The useless helpers? The miserable bootleg summons? Even if there's enough people to defend FFXII...I dare you to defend FFXII-2: Revanent Wings...THAT was the worst game with Final Fantasy ever attached to it.
Notice how I don't talk about 7 being a good game? I just like to point out the fact that people hate blindly on one or two without noticing the painful shortcomings of the others. Last fight in 7 was also 1 attack, not a whole build up going from beating your father, to killing your aeons that ends in a wet fart. Almost as bad of a final boss battle as the garbage that was Necros at the end of 9.
Andrew Balaz The Omni Slash attack on Sephiroth wasn't the "last fight", it was basicly just an interactive cut scene. Aside from that though, there is nothing blind about my own dislike for FFXIII. What killed it for me was the characters, if I am going to put hours upon hours into a game, I have to at least "like" the characters in said game, though I personally disliked almost each and everyone of them in FFXIII.
I rather enjoyed FFXII and it's universe. The summons didn't bother me at all because they were trying to build a new pantheon associated with Ivalice. The story didn't feel crippled to me at all because the story was very straight forward and more time was focused on the journey than plot development. FFXII had my favorite combat system and I almost never got bored of grinding and exploring. Bosses were challenging if you didn't use a certain spell that reversed damage and you had free reign to craft archetypes onto any of your PCs. Also: Japanese Starwars.
I've tried and tried and tried FF13 AT LEAST 6 times over the course of it's existence and I just can't do it. Lost Odyssy was the true FF13 of last gen.
It’s an okay game but bad fanfiction as an ff4 sequel The gameplay is fine and actually pretty fun with the bands, but the story is kind of ridiculous.
the level system of FF II was weird but the game himself wasnt bad and if you had Dawn of Soul on GBA its probably one of the greates GBA final fantasy
Akira Tadokoro I don't...I got frustrated with Final Fantasy II because of how you level up in FFII and we never saw that exp system again but don't get me wrong,I'm sure that would work in a tactics game or something but not in a main series
I don't like FF13 either, but if its so bad not in retrospect, why on earth did all the major reviewers give it at least and 8/10??? Almost as if they were paid to give it a decent score....
Basically. They praise it when it comes out because they don't take the time to actually examine the game to know whether or not it's actually good. XIII isn't a bad game; just very average and disappoints on nearly every facet the previous games banked on.
Triple A game that looked nice and you could beat it with your eyes closed? Sounds like the reviewer equivalent of a day off... I'd have given it an 8/10 too if I was a jaded reviewer making way more than I should to play dozens of games a week.
owlflame That's why linear games that follow traditional values like Uncharted and BioShock get a lot of praise from journalists. They're linear, relatively short and straightforward games that don't require any extra effort from the player (No disrespect to those games as they're not really trying anything unique and different to begin with). Practically a journalist's paradise so that they can get the review out as quick as possible; hence the positive FFXIII scores initially. Nobody wanted to admit just how disappointing it was until after the honeymoon period.
Omar Gharbieh Story was not decent, graphics and music were par for the course (for square), and lightning was a visually well designed character and nothing more.
I'm sorry, but calling Final Fantasy XIII a "bad game" is just dishonest. Is it flawed? Absolutely! The story was weak, the narrative relies on the player to read the datalog to know what's going on, and some characters made the characters in Transformers 2 tolerable in comparison, so I'm not going to say it's one of the best FF games. But the linearity wasn't THAT restrictive, the combat (while limiting to only 1 character at a time) was exhilarating with the paradigm shifts, and the soundtrack and cinematics were GORGEOUS! I mean, for fuck's sake, they gave the game an 8.6 when it was released. And they call it a "bad game?" I don't think so…
The biggest flaw I saw with FFXIII was that as soon as the world opened up, the story dwindled to practically nothing for everyone except Fang and Vanille. This is clear from the fact that in the little story summary available in XIII-2, of the 13 chapters, 10 of them take place during the first half of the game. I've heard that this is due to the fact that the focus was shifted late in production to focus on Lightning rather than Vanille and Fang, which would make a lot of sense. As it is, I found the characters' stories gripping for as long as they lasted, but they became so bland as each of their arcs were tied up. That being said, I loved the characters of XIII and loved pretty much everything about XIII-2. I look forward to eventually getting Lightning's Return,despite the poor reviews. Even with all the flaws in various games, SquareEnix has always managed to make me care about the characters.
***** I mean if you used Auto-Battle sure. But if you start using abilities, it makes it feel more natural. Not a lot different than spamming Attack in previous FF's honestly. I'm a fan of every FF though. I like that they can change some features of it. ATB is fun sure, but it gets boring being in all of them. ADB wasn't the best, but I appreciate they tried that with XIII. I actually wouldn't mind seeing something like LR:XIII gameplay in the future. XV I hope keeps the series roots, but is different enough to stand out on it's own.
***** Again, I disagree. I feel that while the story was weak and required a datalog to understand it at all, the world was rich and rather intriguing. The battle system, while limited, allowed for character to move around the battle field freely instead of sticking to a single line in previous games, which is an improvement. It also allowed to switch roles when fighting with certain enemies and tactics. Yes, the first 10 chapters were a tutorial and were very linear. I'm not going to sit here and say the game is amazing because it's not. I just feel that it deserves a lot more credit than a lot of people give it.
Mike Hawk "Considering there are a vast abundance of retarded FF13 haters, I highly doubt that's plausible." This video stated that Final Fantasy 13 is one of the top 10 worst Final Fantasy games created. Which would mean that the "Like" bar is filled with these so called "retarded FF13 haters" as they would *like* a video stating it is a "bad" game. Leaving the dislike bar, to be filled with the *fans* of Final Fantasy 13. Which makes my OP, plausible.
C-c-c-ombo Breaker! Idk i started FF13 but i couldnt get into it AT ALL. I could get into FFD FFDD FF12 FF14RR FF5 FF6 FF7 but FF13 i couldnt at all. The English voice actors are absolutely terrible and there was minimal emotion in the words even when Snow was trying to be a leader and all that intro stuff. The game was just boring as hell. It did look AMAZING though not gonna lie.
FF IV here, never played 13 so can't talk about that, FF IV for me was an average FF was not the best sure (hard to beat VI and VII)but definitely not a bad game, it have a neat combat, the introduction of augments and nice characters, i was disappointed that i couldn't choose my party but in the end i never struggled because of that, the party that the game forms are well balanced and make great sense in the plot, no sense in letting someone standing still in the ship while they have a kingdom to take care of, they have others tasks beyond being hanging around the 3 airships. The augments was the begining to the materia system, yang was nice but in combat i "always" could teach kain or edge how to kick. AND FF IV have darth vader in it, how this isn't cool? he even have a badass villain and a redemption arc in the game
Dman41000 replay it, you probably think differently. I do suggest you replay it with an open mind. considering that the voice acting is quite good. If you think the voice acting is bad. Go to the laughing scene of ff10, or pick almost any scene from ff12. C-c-c-ombo Breaker! You probably be right. But even the like bar does not indicate that they are from people that did not like ff13. Considering that I liked the video. Despite like 13 and dirge. as I think its good list besides those 2 games.
I like things I'm not used to, like the gambit system in XII, for example. But Final Fantasy gives you options, a possibility to explore the world, a good story, lovable characters. XIII had none of those.
@@Randallsilver "a possibility to explore the world" FFX and Gran Pulse say hi. "Lovable charachters" FFI,II, Sazh and Fang say hi. "A good story" FFII,IV and the Archives say hi.
Entropian2012 It was an amazing game. It's *still* in my top 5 (of *all* games, that is) which is insane, but it's one of the very few older games that I will actually play all the way through every time I start it.
Vic 2.0 They not only nailed the story line and chemisty between the character's but the game play was unlike any thing they ever created. I bought the PC version for like 15$ But hopefully they will come out with a HD remake.
Entropian2012 Well, I know people complain about the draw system. About how you can't just replenish MP and go on casting the same way. But that just tells me they didn't make proper use of the *refining* system, because you can acquire magic rather easily as you acquire GFs and teach them to refine items into spells. And they also cannot wrap their heads around why Squall is the way he is, which annoys me to no end! The game makes it a point to explain that, in flashbacks to his childhood.
I would defend Final Fantasy XIII as not being too bad, but if you wanna tack it on at Number 10, that's fair, it definitely has problems. But Final Fantasy II gets a lot of unjustified hate. Yeah, the battle system is lame. But you know what, it tried to be different and unique compared to other RPGs at the time. And it introduced a lot of Final Fantasy staple concepts like Chocobos, Cid, Ultima, and compared to the first game it actually tried to have a developed story and characters. It's not a gem of the series, but one of the worst there is? Cut it some slack. I've got it for PSP and I enjoy replaying it now and then for it's non-linear world allowing me to explore freely if I've the balls to brave the higher-level enemies (or the skill to grind up to their level).
I agree so much with this.The only problem I had with FFII was the replay value. After beating it, I never had the urge to play it again because of the leveling system being a little odd.
Ok, I've actually played ffii this time, the ORIGINAL version, and I have to say: this is several thousand times more likable than ffi. The game is playable, the enemies don't pwn you with magic, and you get a feeling of actual PROGRESSION. It's like Pokémon, except you have infinite EV's.
SuperStachey eightnineeightnine Yup. And in the PSP release the bonus dungeons are accessible first thing in the game; in fact you have to enter them as early as recruiting Minwu to get his ultimate weapon from them. And the dungeon is unlocked by using the Key Words you learn, letting you access more floors as the game goes on and manipulate the content of the floors if you know the connection between them. FF2 for PSP is a game made for players who love to level grind and sequence break, and give them incentive to do so.
The fact that FFXIII somehow garnered high scores upon release from almost every major reviewer and publication is proof at how ridiculous video game journalism is. I'd almost say politics are less corrupted. All we really get upon the release of game in a major series is a slew of advertisements masquerading as "reviews." It only takes a few months for the same publications to change their tune and acknowledge what a pile of shit games like FFXIII are. It's embarrassing. I know there are people that like it, and you're entitled to your opinion. But I feel sorry for you. The graphics and a few cool moments with Lightning are this game's only redeeming qualities. It's an annoying, convoluted, ridiculously linear, mess of a game that essentially plays itself.
Reviewers don't agree with you so they must be shit and corrupt. Well guess what. Not everybody agrees with your jaded opinion. To me, XIII is far superior to XII (even though XII has far more replay value) and XI and XIV don't count cause main FF titles aren't supposed to be MMOs. Not everyone shares your opinion so get your head outta your ass and accept others or shut the hell up.
***** You have problems. Both in the fact that you're an angry little man, as well as you're a braindead fool who actually enjoys FFXIII. What kind of hypocritical douchebag blasts someone's opinion by telling them "not everybody agrees with you." The fact that the narrator even points out that GT has changed their opinion on the game illustrates my point. And it is WIDELY known that many "reviews" are simply paid advertising for newly released games. This isn't my opinion. This is a fact. I am truly sorry that you do not understand how the world works, as well as that you are a apparently an overly aggressive, mouth-breathing simpleton who believes FFXIII has any value whatsoever..
Calm down, man. FFXIII was pretty entertaining. I liked it much more than IX, X, and XII personally... good music, fun gameplay, a few interesting characters (I wish that Hope died in a car fire at the beginning of the game, though, instead of being a playable character). I can agree that "reviewing" companies like IGN and their ilk are simply propaganda/advertising machines, though. You'll get much more objective reviews from independent sources.
Cody Guadagnoli FFXIII is better than FFIX??? Wow. Well, again, you must understand you're in the minority here. If XIII were a stand-alone, original title, it'd be different. But the flames it constantly attracts are deserving, because it has really become the embodying peak of what all core fans of the FF series have come to despise. The linearity. The convoluted leveling system that implies customization, but is really just tedious busy work. The annoying characters and cliched enemies. The reason it's often referred to as "Final Hallway" is a testament to its ridiculous gameplay mechanic in a series that once was revered for its open exploration and customizeable playstyle. It's a game that nearly plays itself, which renders it inevitably into a movie. I don't need to go into much detail as to why the game has been blasted ad nauseum, but my point is the hypocritical nature of sites like IGN who claim they're reviewing games, when they're actually just advertising them. There aren't nearly enough independent sources for solid reviews of games (in comparison to the cynical film reviewing community), which is why so many people have to look for self-produced reviews like Angry Joe's to actually find a fair evaluation of a newly released title.
frozenaorta I wasn't impressed by IX. I liked the art style, but the story was ludicrous and the battle system was a joke following VIII's Junction/Draw/Eidolon system. The only character's I marginally liked were Vivi and Steiner, and they were about as one-dimensional as you can get. I could rant on about IX, but this is about XIII. Yeah, it was on rails. And to be perfectly frank, the entire series has been pretty linear. XIII just wears it on its sleeve. The franchise has usually boasted an open world, but there are fairly limited sidequests and other avenues of exploration in comparison to rival RPGs. Final Fantasy has pretty much been about turn based combat, fleshed out characters, and epic plots since FFIV. Play the old games again... there's honestly only an illusion of open exploration. It's always optional, limited in scope, and has no effect on the main gameplay other than to trivialize combat. MMOs and open world games like Skyrim are much better for the purpose of sandbox style exploration. I'll tell you right now with near complete certainty that the main FF franchise will never have more than a slight focus on that aspect from this point on (aside from in their own MMOs, since that entire stye is pretty much based around doing your own thing). As far as independent reviews... youtube, amazon, and gamefaqs.com tend to have a plethora of that stuff. I wouldn't trust a magazine or gaming website to tell me what to spend my money on in this day and age.
+ItsRobinWhoTalks x-2 was way better. You dont have to put up the anyoying characters like tidus and wakka. And fuck blitzball, its all about tetra triad
GedaCrew Sorry, I think I picked the wrong word there. The game's storyline isn't innocent at all, maybe I'm just too attached to the pure, innocent Yuna which is why I disliked what they did to her in X-2. Also people seem to love the X-2 battle system, I really didn't. That's just a question of preference I think. Not saying X-2 is a bad game, I just didn't like it personally.
x is linear thru the story for the most part. you can backtrack but there really isnnt any reason to and its also a pain without the airship. sidequest and backtracking are clearly designed for llate to post game here just like 13 13 is leaner up to the point you reach gran pulse where you can do cieth missions and explore optional areas also, there is just more stuff to do in 13 compared to x. in terms of content, it had more optional areas, cieth missions> monster arena, etc. dont get me wrong, i love ffx and think its the better game, im just pointing out that saying final fantasy 13 is a bad game because its linear is unfair both are fairly linear games, ffx had a much better story
Jack L being linear doesnt automatically make it bad though,theres loads of great linear games out there,and this misconception that good JRPGs cant be a part of them is just wrong.the reason i hated 13 was actually the battle system.the story wasnt great,but it wasnt that bad either(i still think 12's was a lot more boring).
...but thats my point, that linearity doesnt make a game bad and that those who hate final fantasy 13 because of it are being unreasonable since many of them also praise final fantasy x i thought the weakest thing about 13 was the story. i actually rlly enjyed the battle system but to each their own
Jack L FFXIII wasn't as much about story as it was about character interaction. Play up until the last moments of LRFFXIII, and you will be touched. Be sure to check the datalogs
+Sidney Lawson I know what you mean bro apart from getting more info on Vincent story I rather play the game more for the music same thing for Eternal Eyes, Bloody Roar, Destrega, Tekken, hmm maybe Blaster Master: Blasting Again.
+Evan Thorn ok. So if it's your favorite story then that means you can explain the story. I played through 13 and had no idea what the fuck was going on. And I'm a writer. I kept up with the interpersonal stories of each of the nations in ff12
+owlflame wow i guess we are indeed all different though :) because to me, it was the total opposite: i understood and loved every part of FF13 but had no idea what was going on in FF12, eventhough i loved the combat system lol
Marshall Cross You can love FF13, but my guess is that people who like 13, won't like games in the series with actual stories and stuff. Because FF13 is really more for people who kinda just... don't care about plot.
I love everything in FFXIII.... The music, the characters..... everything, and people who hate this game should let it alone and not come to every videos which talk about it to let a hating comment... So go back to FFVII and let the fans of FFXIII in peace please.
Stephanie Taylor *Big thumbs-up for you* I am listening to the Final Fantasy soundtrack often, including the FFXIII :-) Also, I love FF7, FF8, FFX, FFX-2, especially FF12. Overall, it doesn't matter what other says, if we Love 13, is not their business :) :) :) Am I right? Stephanie ;)
I can see why people don't like it, I think the story is ok, but not great and the characters are rather bland with only Sazh and maybe fang being interesting and not annoying(Vanille's voice pitch is way too high). Other than that, they made changes to the battle system, which were ok, but changed where the tactical aspect of ff games came from, switching it from party composition and abilities to switching paradigms. Overall, I didn't really like it, but I don't think it deserves as much hate as it got/gets. On the other hand, a lot of people say FFXII sucks but is one of my favorites even though it does have some flaws, I just really liked what they did with the combat system and most of the characters were interesting(except Vaan).
There were flaws, definitely, in FFXIII, but I thought the overall story was good. To me, if you have a good story, battle mechanics and level system, I can look past other things, and I think that game delivered.
I can't with the people who say that if you like 13 you don't care about the plot or have never played any other final fantasy. Final fantasy XIII has one of the most intricate lores of all the saga, (yes, more than FFVII), and of you think the battle system is just pressing "X" you haven't been playing attention. Yes, some characters are irritating (Snow is just the worst, to be honest). Yes, paths are too linear, even though i feel like that is a part to the plot (you see, for most of the time you're just doing a mission and obeying in order to don't become a monster, but then when you get to chapter eleven and you diverge from your path, you find yourself in an extensive open world full of possibilities). So yeah it's not one of the best final fantasy games ever but not at all one of the worst. You didn't even include revenant wings xD
Alright. The bashing on Final Fantasy XIII should really stop... Yes, I know it was very hyped up and tons of people were disappointed that it wasn't the end-all game that mankind had always dreamed of. Nothing will ever be that great. But this reviewer and many others have no idea what they were talking about when it comes to the story and its characters. Yes, the linearity is a bit absurd, but guess what! It makes perfect sense with the story and the fact that the game becomes huge when they travel to Gran Pulse is almost a beautiful artistic statement. Now, the characters... If people would just look past Vanille's voice (even though I've heard WAY worse), she has the potential to be one of the emotionally deepest characters in the entirety of Final Fantasy. So shut up about her and the rest of the characters! I don't hear ANYONE complaining about how awfully dull and predictable Cloud Strife and Sephiroth were. Focus your frustrations about characterization on something else because Vanille (and Snow. Seriously, reviewer?) doesn't deserve it. Far from it. Honestly, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy VI, and Final Fantasy XIII are my favorites, but that's only because I can actually appreciate deep storylines with deeply affected characters. People let too many things come between them and a good game and Final Fantasy XIII is the best example that I can think of. Sorry that everybody got butt-hurt that it wasn't as mind-blowing as they wanted it to be, but oh well. It's still a great game. I'd bet, oh how I'd bet, if Square Enix ever did publish a Final Fantasy VII HD Remake, everybody would be disappointed and it would be the worst game EVERRRRR. ...And if they didn't change the story, character development, and script of the original to the remake, the public would actually be right for once!
***** Whether or not you believe that *Gran Pulse is large and beautiful, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things since the story line still demands a certain amount of linearity for realism and cohesive storytelling. Yes, this turned a lot of people away from the game. But linearity does not make a bad game. In fact, it's usually the strictly linear games that end up having the best stories and characters as they're developed in a way as if you are reading a book and books are never open-world. Not enough people have the attention span nowadays to enjoy a good story and that is how Final Fantasy XIII came under so much fire. Maybe today's society can't deal with games like that, but that may be because today's society can't deal with reading books either because it's just too hard to keep their attention on any one thing for a set period of time. They need "mini-games" consistently because they just can't handle themselves, which is truly pathetic.
***** The story was explained as perfectly as it needed to be. It was built to make you think. It didn't need any more narration than it had. The datalog was only there to help and provide deeper insight on the mythology working behind the scenes in the game. But yes, some games do want you to read a little bit. Is that really so hard? If you really enjoyed reading as much as you say that you do, I wouldn't think it would be so difficult to take a little time to read up on some vocabulary if you didn't understand it. Especially if you actually wanted to make the tiniest effort to enjoy the game. Honestly, the two sequels actually are crap and were only created to milk the mythology out of the story, but XIII alone was a stand-alone and fantastically moving story with twists and turns every which way. People just fail to understand it. Kind of like how some people manage to fail to understand the Leonardo DiCaprio film, Inception. Weak example, I know, but lots of people hate it because they don't understand it. By the way, great counter. "Downright stupid," huh? I dare you to build a story half as great.
Nonsense! I actually liked 13! Call me crazy! Mainly for the amazing OST but I actually enjoyed the literary techniques in the story telling. Yes there were some crappy annoying characters and extremely linear gameplay. I still wouldn't put it on a top ten worst list.
I liked it quite a bit too, but I can see why so many hates it so much. The pacing is atrocious and the first seven hours or so are both extremely tedious and very confusing and their storytelling methods are just uninspired, as if they wanted to make a movie of even a book instead of a game. Topping that with Vanille, Hope and Snow being absolutely gratingly annoying until they get some character development later on, it leads to an incredibly unforgiving entry threshold. As long as you have enough patience and forgiveness, you will eventually see the gem beneath all the grime, but in the end, I can fully understand why so few bother to dig that deeply.
You make a good point, i agree. This was the game that got me excited about the series. If i wasn't for this game i would go though my life thinking all cloud cosplayers were just blond guys with over sized swords.
VIII may have been a polarizing final fantasy title, but remains far from being a bad game and, as one of the first RPGs I ever played, is still one of my favorites.
To be fair, I rate FF8 myself as a low point in the games as a whole, but I do it because of the tedious nature of drawing magic, coupled with a general feeling to max out the spells drawn in case of needing them (or to upgrade later), not because it was a bad game per se. The same can be said of grinding for spells/abilities in most of the other games in the series, too, though; 8 just gets ragged on because you're doing it typically in the same fight, not spread out across hundreds of fights.
At the start of the video he says "No phoenix down can revive them" But... Final Fantasy XIV as they say "2nd worst FF game" Is the one thing saving SE`s ass from bankrupcy.
+Nirvash You're thinking of "A Realm Reborn", what they're talking about is the original XIV that was so bad they ended up remaking the whole game into the great MMO it is now.
The video even talked about how he's referring to the original release and not ARR. The original release WAS absolute garbage and got canned within a year and got completely remade into the greatness it is now.
This is why I'm glad they are releasing hd updates of their old games. kingdom hearts hd, ffx hd, etc. yeah, their current games are getting a little bit better but I doubt they'll be able to put out anything better than what they've done in the past.
***** 1st, the story board could be shortened like this: "A boy wanted to become a sky pirate, met a princess who sought revenge, the princess succeed, and the boy become a sky pirate." 2nd, The gameplay was a big nope. Almost every single FF fan I've ever met in my entire life, either in real life, or from internet hates the gameplay. Half action half strategy shit? Aint nobody wants that. (Except you, and some few other people) 3rd, I've played every single numbered FF series available out there. And this, by far, the worst non-online FF ever.
Nicholas Canfield Trying something new wasn't the problem. But failing that "new" attempt so bad, combined with that super crap storyline, that's the problem.
***** I really liked the the open world explorations and side quests....ahh yes the side quests, those were the best out of 10, 10-2, 13 & 13-2....actually I don't remember 13 or 13-2 having side quests :/ anyway, it was a nice touch that some beasts would only appear in certain seasons & hunting down the summons that was great challenge as well though I wish they would have been just as powerful in my battles as they were when I fought to get them...but apart from that it was great
I honestly believe FF6 is THEE best Final Fantasy. If all basis were equal: voice acting, graphics, and updated... it's better than FFX, FFIX, and FFVII in my opinion.
Yeah they didn't even give an explanation to why it was a bad game I'll admit I think that is was stretched too long and they added way too many characters, but I still don't think it's a bad game
Of course the fanboys with the FF13 icons say this. Face it, FF13 was a poor excuse for a Final Fantasy game. It may have been a good game without the Final Fantasy title, but not when it does have it attached.
Alex Fitzpatrick I can see issues with XIII such as its linearity, pacing and what not, but I decide to look past them and enjoy the good of a game. Plus, you're too sensitive to the brand, just enjoy the fucking game and worry less about the brand name, jeez.
I think XIII falls into the same category as II: a failed experiment. I appreciate the streamlining they tried. I also thought the characters had potential, but in the end the execution wasn't on par with the concept and we ended up with a game that was boring and repetetive and a story many people simply couldn't relate to. What really brings the shame on square enix is that they extended xiii into an awful trilogy with two games that much like the original had good ideas and concept but just an awful execution. I never thought, I'd ever find a moogle annoying, but Xiii-2 managed me to do that in just a couple of minutes! And LR treats its idea of an open world as somewhat revolutionary when we have all the gtas assassins creeds elder scrolls and even final fantasy onlines out there!
I kinda liked The After Years. Had they fixed the RNG and added more enemy variety, it would have been utterly amazing. The whole episodic thing was a bit of a pisser, though.
I think your judging pretty hard. I as a real final fantasy fan like EACH game Squenix develops, some more some less. But I wouldn't ever call one game completely bad, that's just unfair regarding the effort that was made for it!
+PSspecialist You really think that Yoshinori Kitase would sit down with his fellows and be like: "Hey folks, let's make a real BAD game, so people have a reason to hate us!" ? He would never, in fact Squenix is keen on doing a better fan service with each game they produce, what's quite plausible in my view. While doing research on our interests and preferences nowadays, they might could be off beam sometimes and fail our expectations. The result is a game, that's not real good, like All The Bravest. But I simply refuse to call a game completely bad and slag it in an almost subconscious level because after all it's been made for us: The Final Fantasy fans =)
Okay and? Uncharted Golden Abyss was made for Uncharted fans. I am an Uncharted fan. Golden Abyss was trash. I'm a fan of jrpg's in general. I'm a Tales of fan for example. I love the Tales series. It's one of my favorite RPG franchises, but I still think Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Hearts R are very weak games. They have some good in them for sure, but are overall poor games to me. It doesn't matter what the intent is. It doesn't matter how much work is out into it. At the end of the day, if the game is good, the game is good. If it's bad, it's bad.
+David Restrepo "If a game is bad, it's bad" now that's a real primitive way of thinking...you couldn't be more subjective. Be careful, i didn't call each game great just because of the effort of Squenix, I said some more some less. What I was trying to say is that it's not that simple to judge unsubtle over a game because they're ALWAYS good and bad points. If you say that a game is bad you gotta explain yourself, especially out of an objective point of view. If you personally don't like it that's okay. But nobody gives a shit as long as don't got specific (comprehensible) reasons to it.
I could explain why a game is bad if I wanted to though??? But unless there's a really in depth discussion going on or I'm doing a review, it's unecessary to go into detail. If a game is bad, it's bad. People can pour their hearts into something that is ultimately bad. Hard work does not equal a good product. They are not directly related like that.
Anybody who says that any Final Fantasy released after X is the best final fantasy, is probably 12 and never played the older games in the series. Final Fantasy died after 10.
Mad Mental Hibby Final Fantasy 7 is the best. Its just not hip to say so because its also the most mainstream and everyone knows youre not a "true fan" if you agree with casual fans. The second best installment is XIV a realm reborn and Heavensward. Third would be 4 or 6. Crisis Core is also underrated. 6, 9, and Tactics are the Hipsters' FF wet dream games and as a result are the true FF games that tend to be overrated.
12 was kind of a mess story-wise. but as far as its tactical control it was really good. the gambit and weapon discipline systems were really good and diverse.
But...but...I loved FF IV The After Years. ;_; Grant it, I wasn't crazy about the moon phase system, but I loved the idea of going through another adventure 17 real time years later. Even if it is a bunch of rehashed stuff from the original game.
FF 13 Sure had it's flaws, but i don't think this game should be on the top 10 worst FF Games. And about the game's Linear level design, I don't think many people understands why this game was so linear to begin with. Sure it would be nice if we could go and explore towns and other locations, but characters were on the run from the PSICOM, so it is only logical that returning and derping around previously visited locations would be a bad idea.
yeah... RPGs are not supposed to be linear, plus they didn't make a good game to begin with. It should be higher. Hell, it's the Sonic 06 of Final Fantasy. You should know how horrible 06 was, right Sonic boy?
Guypersonmanthing3 RPG's are supposed to be linear if their more story focused, a lot of the final fantasy are linear, and don't compare sonic to final fantasy, there different genres, and ff13 isn't like sonic 06, ff13 gameplay was nice, while sonic 06 was glitchy. FF9 is worse than FF13.
Jason Sacuta Okay I was just scrolling through the comments and was reading yours and I agreed until that last sentence. FINAL FANTASY IX is NOT worse than XIII at all. Better characters, better exploration, better gameplay, better story. The only flaw the game has is its graphics. Don't you ever say something like that again. Though I don't like XIII or that trilogy, I still played the first 2 and IX is not worse at all. There shouldn't be any discussion about this. Have you even played the Final Fantasy series except for those 2?
You are way wrong. Plus I used Sonic 06 to compare for levels of awfulness. Sure, lots of JRPGs are linear, but the really good ones are still open ended, and can tell a great story, without HAVING YOU STUCK IN A HALLWAY! Western rpgs aren't linear (well the really good ones aren't), and I don't mean by just hallway stuff, I mean in dialogue choices, pathways you take, how you fight, etc. Hey, Final Fantasy VII, a really good JRPG is like that! Hey, Skyrim, an open-ended sandbox western RPG got a 40/40 from Fitmitsu, japans #1 gaming magazine. Plus in story shitness, Sonic 06 is just as bad as FFXIII. For different reasons (though sometimes similar reasons), but they are both equally bad.
13 still my favorite :) ! I loved the music ,story made me cry and connected with hope then realized his true potential . Graphics were great and just amazing . Didnt get a platinum for nothing
I like the second half after you get to Pulse. But those 25-40 hours on Cocoon are just painful and the game deserves all the shit it gets just for that over long linear prologue. Also the game deserves shit for those horrible characters. Except Sazh. Sazh was great. And Fang to a certain extent.
Painkillar3000 I tried playing that game a couple of times... it's basically just tits and ass, with no real substance that I could find. Unless you like those "dress me up" games.
I actually really enjoyed x-2 and so did many others. I don't understand the hate that game gets. Same with 12 cuz 12 was fantastic. Oh well, to each their own
i really hate it that Final Fantasy XIII get so much hate, its got great characters, a great story and a great battle system (it's my favorite battle system in the Final Fantasy series, i loved switching out roles and experimenting with the different types)
FFXIII was pretty good it was just to linear with no towns to explore and most cities that you visited like nautilus park you couldn't return to it combat was good too story good characters good.
Sezer Arslan I don't think everything about it was bad. I very much enjoyed the summon system, I liked certain characters a lot (Lightning remains my favorite Female Character of all time), and the fighting system while frustrating at times, had a lot of fun moments, and was a nice shift from the other games. I get why people don't like 13, I'm just saying I was one of those that had a good amount of fun with it.
Dirge of cerberus was AWESOME back in the day... I borrowed my friend's ps2 to play it again and again until I was forced to give him his console back. FF14 was bad, but a realm reborn turned it into probably the best hotkey mmorpg out there.
8 did have a lot of problems, but it also had some great points as well. It's one of those games where, if you can get past the rough, is a gem underneath. You do have to work for it though. I'm still holding out hope for a less grindy version of the junction system.
Penguinz13989 I've played it a couple of times. It can be challenging, but it has it's really awesome moments that make it worth playing... at some point, people need to understand that not every game is trying to be Final Fantasy 7.
+Penguinz13989 People may have been entertained by that game, but it wasn't, in any technical sense, a good game. It was a lazy version of FF that offered lots of shiny, shimmery visuals but uninspiring characters, monotony, and an almost offensive token black character.
Ryan Beaty Sahz was one of my favorites. I don't even see how he would be considered offensive. Of course, we could just make sure that there are NO Black people in video games. I don't see how that will make everyone happy, but oh well.
+KromePlatedMegafone +Patrick2345454 I think ryan Beaty was talking about Final Fantasy 7 and Barret as that offensive token black guy when they made it in the 90's dood which obviously in the remake will have to make adjustments to his mannerisms and attitude to not offend anyone.
Only stupids oldschool haters and "Noidea" fans say that FF13 is bad game. The game is worse than FF 7,9,10...and other tops FF, but the FF13 is a good game.
Mx6Own0r It differs from other FFs, it is less open world, and more linear for the sake of a "better story" Squeenix was trying something new, change the formula but it drifted too much for some ppl. Its not a BAAAD game, is just... there are better FFs.
LulzGuy Yeah, maybe for you. Do you even realize the pressure that they all had to live with? Being l'Cie... hated/feared by everyone with a devastating demand. Yeah, pure bullshit. I loved that game. Can't say the same of XIII-2 tho.
EternalShockk if you are little 8 year old child with no imagination no expectation for the world, your brain is damaged and you never played another final fantasy before... then yes maybe it was amazing to you...
See, that's what I knew would happen when I watched this video. X and XIII-2 Are my favorite FF games (apart from the Tactics games). That's partially due to the fact that FFX was the first FF game I played, but I also love the characters. For FFXIII-2, I'm not sure why exactly I like it. I suppose because I care about the characters (which I think was greatly helped by Noel's AC outfit) and found the battle system pretty fun when it came to the stronger enemies.
10 and 8 are good games... only problems i see on 8 are the battle system employed pretty much made noobs cry and the unrewarding grind.... the story is also too vague for shallow people who cant read between the lines.... X-2 and XIII-2 however are justified and both should be put on the top 5 of this list with X-2 being no 2 or 1
8 is my fave. The story line is great, the characters in it are great and the Graphics are also good for PS1. X is the first and the best FF game on the PS2. X-2: You play with 3 hot chiçks what more do you want? XIII is on place 10 and XIII-2 is better so should not be in the list, hands down.
quite misleading review on both FF2 & FFL/SaGa series. FF2 was actually adapted on how western RPG gameplay back then, and the review seems didn't consider current gaming at the time. In fact, core of FF2 gameplay was later survived and adapted into it's own series, the SaGa/FFL line-ups. And I do like SaGa series as well. The series wasn't probably meant for everyone since the series itself was dubbed hardcore-JRPG. In fact, I still highly regard both FF2 & SaGa, at least way better than FF7 (yes, the main game, not the spin-offs). Perhaps that's also why FF13 also bad, becoz main protagonist is essentially Cloud-female version. lol
I agree, not sure why FF2 is hated on so much. Final Fantasy II definitely does not deserve to be anywhere near as high on this list at all. At worst it should be number 10, but I think it is better than a lot of other FF games out there. I think its hard to argue that FF2 doesn't have the most productive villain in all of the FF series. Managing to conquer the planet, Hell, and Heaven throughout the game. Even Kefka only managed to ravage a section of the world. FF2 also had some insanely good music. Castle Pandemonium's theme is still one of my favorite FF songs of all time. The sped up melody from the overworld theme gives you the feeling of "this is what I've worked for, its all led to this." Haven't had the feeling from almost any other Final Fantasy game. (I actually Liked FFTA a lot, but would totally be on board with FFTA2 being on the list.)
HockFin Proprietor +NCfanboy1 Didn't you guys watch the rest of the video? he clearly says "no one in the current staff would defend that". In other words, the person who reviewed it left GT long ago, and everyone who currently works there thinks the game stinks.
Well my fav ff game was XIII and it's sequels. I just love Lightning and the story is badass, the gameplay can be a little weird but I actually liked it.
Dante Leinguard Well yes it's your opinion and I respect it but I can't stand all this hate XIII trilogy gets. This thing really annoys me cause most of them haven't played the game and still they badmouth it. That I can't stand
reason why i think 13 is bad even do i do like 13/2 is the lack of freedom , not able to travel to places like the old ff games is a really big hands down , another thing that got me bored were the characters , is like i didn't give much of a F like i did in ff8 , ff9 , ff 10 oh and of course ff7 . But at the end most ppl like it and others hated it , just like resident evil
Lelouch Lamperouge I think the only thing that kept me playing FFXIII as long as I did was using Hecatons ult to give Vanille rolling waves of shock induced ecstacy. Oh that and my OCD drove me up the fucking wall trying to collect all the items.... FUCK NOW I CAN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT THE ITEMS I'M MISSING!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHII:BVYTIOFUOYFVYRDRYFVHYUGVYTRDFIYRDFUYLVGBLVUTFIUTDFUYVVTFCTYIVKVVU pbbbbbttttttt
Jesus christ this list is terrible.... XIII gets too much shit for being a game i'm more than positive most shoved hours upon hours into. DoC was actually a bad spinoff, along with X-2. but going with common consensus just to make a video, you should probably just go back and review your taste in games. This needs OPINION written all fucking over it.
Wesley Lecruidant Actually the map in 9 wasn't that linear, you have at least places to go back, a world map which you can walk around, modify your party, better battle system. Go figue and try a game before you compare it to 13. You have no good comeback so I know enough.
+ff7soldierff7 you can modify party in 13, you also have expanses to walk around. But guess what? Key story areas are LINEAR AS FUCK in 9.nice try. Better luck next time kiddo
They just don't realize how ALL the Final Fantasy are amazing and better than a big (BIIIG) part of the other games available on the store... Trying to find the bad points and forget the good ones.
It's interesting to see that the FFXIII fans are butthurt over this. I enjoyed Dirge of Cerb. and FFII, heck FFXIV even had it's perks and so did The After Years and All The Bravest. The majority of FFXIII fans haven't played other FF games and if they had they would understand how disappointing the game was as a part of the franchise. That doesn't make it a bad game, it's just not as great as others and this list is listing the worst games out of a stellar franchise. Heck, being the worst in this franchise is still good considering the giants they are up against (FFVII, FFVIII, FFX...)
Honey, let me reiterate what I said - Final Fantasy is a great franchise, saying that FF13 is one of the worst is not really a bad thing. It's like having a box of chocolates and saying one of them is one of the worst, but it's chocolate - all chocolate is good. FFVII slays FF13 any day - it had more going for it, a better more organised storyline that was well presented, characters that were fully-fleshed and had personalities. FF13 for many was a let down, it had so much potential, but it wasn't quite getting there.
It is...you just need to play FFVII to understand. All FFXIII has going for it is good graphics. It's a let down, it's not bad, it's a let down. As a disclaimer I've played every FF game to date. FFXIII was so bad it needed a sequel and a sequel to that to compensate for how poorly it was received.
I have played FFVII. I once adored FFVII, but I also have found many faults with it. It is not a perfect game in my opinion and neither is FFXIII. To compare the two is a stale and boring argument, especially when one states their opinion as fact.
Well I actually really loved FF13 and all of it's sequels. It definitely comes to one of the most legendary games I've ever played. I feel that only the people who grew up with the old final fantasy games are the ones who criticize 13 so much. They are used to the old way it was played and they like the nostalgia - that part is understandable. As for A Realm Reborn well, it's one of the most popular MMOs out there(after some rework) I can't even put my opinion in this one, FF14 is inargueably a great game. Dirge of Cerberus is also pretty cool but I'm not going to make this comment last forever so I'll cut it short. This video was pretty inaccurate. I see other people in the comments also point out some of the other mislabled "bad FF games"
***** no actually one of MY most legendary games meaning I as in myself enjoyed that game more than most. The points you made about the game have never bothered me - to the point of that being not noticeable. Thats you're opinion just like I shared mine.
***** I wouldn't know about favorite for those types of mmos but the Witcher series would probably be my favorite lore/story telling wise.. Or maybe it's because I'm playing that right now not sure if its worthy of being a favorite. But I also enjoy the Tales series. I've played every one from Innocence on. Persona is mentionable.. love those games a ton. There is also the Aveyond series(starting with Rhen's Quest) That game is more of a less popular (2D) game though. Aveyond deserves all the hype that all the old(2D) FF games did imo.
That's actually not as true as you would think. FFXIII was the very first Final Fantasy game that I had ever played and is the one that introduced me to the series. I also hadn't played any old school JRPG's in general so I really wasn't comparing it to anything like that. Yet I still wasn't crazy about it even when I first played it, though that doesn't mean I hated it. Even after playing and enjoying many older FF games since then I still find things to like in XIII (other than the obvious graphics). I did have a lot of fun with the gameplay and battle system and I do feel like the story had a lot of potential. My problem with the story comes down to it's presentation which we can really blame the directing for. It was all shown in such a backwards way with those 13 day segments, and they weren't even shown in order to make matters worse. The characters I also just felt struggled with proper development and even pacing when development happened. For example Fang having a meltdown quite literally out of the blue just to add character development for her and to get her Eidolen. It was over so quick and seemed very random, things like this just kept happening constantly throughout the game without the proper buildup. They also do little to explain much of the lore and terminology so I found myself frequently going to the catalog for answers. This should never be necessary in any game, for most people who played it was all very confusing and nonsensical. And as if it couldn't get any worse in it's sequel they through time travel into the mix. Just an all around horrible decision. Time travel is rarely ever pulled off well and they don't have a good track record as it is with it being a mess as well in FFVIII, in my opinion. I was actually very happy with XIII's ending, it made me smile and was one of my favorite things about the game. Then XIII-2 completely discarded it. Lightning Returns I enjoyed for its gameplay and return to towns and npc's. So all in all, story presentation was my big issue with XIII and then just the story in general with the last two. But again I still found some enjoyment in them, mainly the first, and I'm very thankful for it because it introduced me to an amazing series. People often refer to one of my favorite games, Lost Odyssey, as the real Final Fantasy XIII since they are the only games really like that for the PS3/360 generation. It was actually made by Mistwalker, a company that consists of mostly former Square employees including its founder. The Final Fantasy games are best known for having memorable and very compelling stories and these guys really bring that to the table. Even if you love FFXIII, when looking at it objectively I would think you could see it's short comings with how it showed its story throughout the game and things that could have been done better. I know I might sound a bit harsh but that's just because it frustrates me with how much of a difference the presentation and pacing would have made. It has potential, and there are things to enjoy with the story for those who care to put in the extra work themselves to look a bit deeper. Some characters were also very unappealing to many, namely Vanille and Snow, and I can definitely see why so maybe some reworking on them as well could have gone a long ways. Anyway, all kinds of people like and dislike this game, and there's also others who fall more in between like me.
Nice speech i like your idea my first final fantasy was the 4 and that won is my favorite everbody say that there is the 7 i like the 7 the story everything but mine is alway gonna be the 4 it had the inturlude the after year and the original its alway gonna be my favorite
Agreed. Although I absolutely love love FFX. X-2 shouldn't have existed, it was more of a fanservice for male audience. A poor sequel done by Enix to grab more cash from FFX fans. FFX should have been a stand alone masterpiece.
braveheart20121 I still gave FFX-2 a chance. Actually the battle system is awesome. It has the best ATB system among all Final Fantasies. It's like FF9 with steroids. The sailormoon factor is what I dislike because it's too cheesy for a final fantasy game.
If it were fanservice for the male audience it wouldn't so wholeheartedly homage such blatantly feminine things as Magical Girl shows and japanese pop music. X-2 is a fantastic game and while there is some fanservice, it's all goodhearted. It's so irritating how people never gets the plethora of things X-2 is referencing and homaging... As a kid who grew up on Sailor Moon and j-pop music videos, X-2 just homages so many things I love.
"It received a great score from GT upon release....but that contract with Square Enix is no longer valid so we can bash it now"
Tek Yumi the game has no defenders "among the current staff" the way he said it you would thiink he murdered them xD
Tek Yumi Then why doesn't GT change it's review score and re-review XIII if that's the case? Or at least admit Square-Enix bribed them or something. It's sad knowing that any good opinions about XIII that are lies. Why didn't GT defend it's score all those years ago?
Stephen Mc Devitt because if they had really paid for it then it's their score, you can't just change it later on them......but that doesn't mean they can't go bash it years later lol
THiRD EYE KAii But still... It's really jarring that they won't even owe up to their previous opinions but most likely Square-Enix will only allow it just in time to get people to buy their next game.
Stephen Mc Devitt It's because everyone else started hating it that they jumped on the hate wagon.
Simple as that.
Am I the only one who liked -insert game in list here-
Entire comment section right there.
They put (insert title here) on the list?
I always loved (insert title here)!
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+DarkKingBowser (insert title) doesnt belong this high on the list. Replace (title) with (other title)
And then insert golden era, masterpiece, linear, trash/garbage, yadda yadda
Aren't the older twins just gorgeous?
People can say what they want about Dirge of Cerberus, I still liked it a lot.
I like it too I still play it
***** I too enjoyed DoC. I think people just didn't like it because FF was still turn based at the time and it broke away from that.
Sanger Zonvolt Which is why I liked it a lot as I am not one to favor turn-based combat, because it's boring to me. But I still appreciated the lore and stories of each FF game, the combat is what kept me from getting in immersed in it fully.
***** i dont think it was bad it just had parts of the story that didnt make sense. other than that it played pretty well for a shooter
Though i do like this game, the release day was rushed.sadly some of the best missions occurred after you beat the game ,found in the extras 100 kills with magic and so on. These mission's were originally intended for the main game play and would have provided a more open world fell.
Final Fantasy is like pizza; even when it's bad, it's still pretty good
YASSS
fact
Sector Seven G except all the bravest
Well maybe not 2
Agreed
I have played almost everything ever called Final Fantasy from the very beginning, and saying FFXIII is on the top 10 worst list is laughable.
It wasn't one of the strongest entries sure. If you just played the storyline it was fairly short and pretty easy. However if you did all the side bosses/quests it had all the specialized grinding for armors/weapons/stats requiring well executed strategies. The combat system was also very decent compared to other crap on the market at the time. People just didn't like it because their expectations were ridiculously high for the first HD game and instead the game was just an averagely good game.
agree!! I found XIII to be an extremely challenging game if you wanted to complete every side quest^^
By the time I reached the end of the story, I just wanted the game to be over. Aside from that, I do agree about people having expectations way too high. The only thing really that bothered me was hallway syndrome. Otherwise, the other complaints do not apply to me. I think most people hate it just because it's cool to hate it.
FFXIII is the conductor of the poop train.
The game is challenging... when you're almost done. People don't like a game that takes 30 hours to become good.
+corronchilejano I found it good from the very beginning. I don't know, I still enjoyed FF13 more than many other "popular" game like Deus Ex, CoD, Atelier Rorona, Bravely Default, Smash Bros., Devil May Cry, Fifa, Far Cry, Blur.... I tried them all - games from various genres, but still find games like FF and KH the best (no matter the age) - just my own personal taste. So I couldn't care less about the "people don't like that", the gamer-community can surely make gaming less fun... :-/
Final Fantasy 13 will always be given shit, but it's not a bad game at all. Just very linear.
+Bryan Wood they are all very linear. x was worse on that offense but its not cool to point out the flaws of x lol
+Aaron Calloway 4 is probably THE most linear FF game at that
lol i love 4 second best 2d ff
Aaron Calloway No knock on 4, it just IS very linear
No matter what you're gonna have the exact same party at the exact same levels at the exact same time every single time you play the game
Party composition wasn't even a thing until the GBA and PSP versions and even then thats only for the final dungeon and the bonus dungeon
yeah everyone loves to not notice how linear they all are and only point it out in 13
Not going to lie: I like Final Fantasy XIII, and Dirge of Cerberus.
Final Fantasy XIII introduced me to the franchise, so I kind of enjoyed it, even if it's definitely one of the weaker entries I've played.
Dirge of Cerberus was kind of a cool third person action game, I mean it's no where near as good as some action games, but at the same time it was still a enjoyable game that was good for wasting a few hours.
I hate people like you who give a game a pass "just because it was your first"
Kenshin X wtf does that have to do with anything?
557deadpool I don't give it a pass because it was my first, but because I had nothing else to compare it to when I played it, so it seemed like a good game.
Deathlygunn how can you say it's good if you had nothing to compare it to? That's fucking stupid.
Kenshin X hypocrite
I dont care what people say about Final fantasy 13 and Dirge of Cerburus. I love those 2 games to death. D.O.C was a really good way to fill some blanks for the FF7 story, and Final fantasy 13 part 1 was the hardest from all the lightning games which was a true challenge and that made me love the game. Also the storyline felt true to its core and managed to let the player make a connection to all characters not just 1 or 2.The other two games (part 2 and lightning returns) Felt Easy while still great but easy. Lightning is my bae :3
+Chris Atlas Jimenez I am opposed in principle to some action shooter game adding story to a Final Fantasy game.
+Chris Atlas Jimenez in my opinion, FFXIII lacks some things that made its predecessors some really very enjoyable games.... And yeah, in FFXIII it was really a pain in the ass to have all the greatest weapons and to finish all its "sidequests" because of that. There's almost no way to get easy money or any kind of hidden tricks so that you can quickly upgrade, the only way are some foes that you don't encounter anymore after you beat the game, if you beat the game without taking advantage of that enemy the rest of the possibilities takes just too much time and gets too much repetitive, if not frustrating. For me all other FFs that I played before was better in almost every aspect, FFXIII for me was great at graphics, but not soo great at the story as it should be, and instead of FFXIII-2 (that made some improvements) square could just make some Chrono series game, that is stuck on Chrono Cross (PS1), at least it's what FFXIII-2 fells like, a Chrono series game with a really messed up story, with just two playable characters with almost zero charisma, and a really really bad end, some Chrono game maybe could be better. Hope Square could be more like it was before changing to Square-Enix.
Not going to judge since I can see how people would like FFXIII, but the problem for me is some of the choices made in the game's creation. Whether if it is the long hallway, simplistic combat system, meaningless rating system, confusing as all hell weapon progression, and... that train wreck of story... I'm sorry, but as soon as I beat the game, I had to trade it back in since it was almost like it was mocking me for trying to finish the game towards the end.
I personally love XIII and its sequels. My son and I are currently playing through the series. It's not THE BEST but I do t think it belongs on the worst list.
disturbedmediocrity Stop raising your son on terrible games.
You again, huh?
How about you not try and police what my son and I enjoy. As I already told you on a different comment section, your opinion doesn't matter. You don't like the XIII series? Good for you. I don't care. My son and I do.
Wow you are raising your son wrong someone call child services.
disturbedmediocrity The dude is raising his son on Final Fantasy. That alone is better then half the CoD 12 year olds. Good for you
disturbedmediocrity How is see this game, if you compare it to other Final Fantasy and Squaresoft standards games it's bad. But you compare it to what other compagnies does in general and the medium RPG you'll meet on the market it's pretty decent.
wait.. is no one gonna say how FF2 made it on this list? That game is one of my favorites of the series lol. I loved the leveling system.
+IAmWolfypoo 2 is certainly far from a top tier game, but imo it doesn't belong here. Switch it with X-2
+gjoerulv X-2 doesn't belong here either.
+IAmWolfypoo Is a good game. Is not the best. But is very enjoyable (and depend if you like the leveling system), and i agree that doesn't belong here. Is ridiculous how high it is on the list.
FF12 damn good. and F10-2 Battle. system ONE best all time .
that game was shit.
"B-but 13 isn't shit. It gets good after a trillion billion hours!"
+fug figgen Wait, is this serious?
+fug figgen They said the same about 12...
+Espurr 404 12 is my fav game of all time, soooooo
Why would I invest trillions of billions of hours into a game for it to be good at some point when I can play a final fantasy game that is good within the first few minutes?
+mas8705 He was being sarcastic
I actually loved XIII. My only complaint was the very high learning curve. Still the story and characters were great.
Dirge is on this list? really? why? its a good game. its a sweet break from turnbase, and vincent is still a badass. no, dirge should not be here
which FF game you would put in his place?
well, its not that i have another necessarily in mind to replace dirge, i just think it shouldnt be on this list at all. but....i dunno....maybe 12? for the most ridiculous combat system ever.
chris batchelder I agree 12 had a meh combat system (personally i love that change from turnbased) but if you can get past it that game is a masterpiece truely. The story is amazing and it stays true to the ways of FF. Even the combat system for being so different is pretty perfect. All of the bosses can be extremely challenging and even if youre higher leveled and geared out right those strong bosses are still really strong. The final boss fight is grueling and lackluster but its a great great story. Personally FF12 and FFDD are my 2 all time favorite FF games because of how perfect the stories are. One last thing oh thank god nobody has had anything bad to say about FFDD yet XD.
Dman41000 you know what? ill agree with you on 12's combat system. while it pisses me off and makes progress slow, it is still a breath of fresh air from turnbase. and the story (exceot pennelo, god i hate her) is really good
Honestly its been a couple years since i played it i dont remember how terrible
Pennelo was XD. I do remember that my main team was Basch (2h Sword) Ashe (Sword Shield Magic Espers) and Pennelo (Sword Shield Magic Espers). But 12 is on the must play list for people who havent played it and the cinematics for it were like on par with early ps3 games cinematics.
I'm sorry, but Final Fantasy XIII is not THAT bad, it wasn't the gem that the other Final Fantasy games were but it wasn't a "bad" game overall.
It wasn't 'that good' either.
It was the most linear FF game by far, the combat was mostly "mash X" until you got to the last few bosses where you suddenly needed to use paradigm shifts to win, the story wasn't great, the characters are pretty bland and the players unput into combat and leveling was pretty minimal.
It ditches most of the stuff you expect to find in a direct FF sequel.
It would have probably been better received if it wasn't a numbered sequel and was just an FF spinoff, or even a different title entirely but compared to other games, it was just bad.
You could also say the same about XI and XIV being too different from other numbered sequels but, I've always thought they should have been named Final Fantasy Online rather than a direct numbered sequel. At least they are good though.
linkno1 I hate the argument of "it was just mash X the whole game" Ummmm news flash, almost every Final Fantasy is like that, and almost EVERY FF was just as linear, only disguised it better! In FF13 all you had to do was to go to the option menu and change the default battle command to set it on abilities instead of auto battle... then BAM, simple as that! But all the other stuff I can agree with, but it still was not a bad game, just different, I would compare it to FF8. And I would score it a 8 out of 10!
youngsexynerd1 Even if you disabled auto attack, every battle option was under abilities and it was just as effective to use the first option in abilities (which was either 'attack' or 'ruin') for 95% of the game meaning you could still mash 'X' and see the end of it.
I also wouldn't say it's as linear as the other FF games at all. I can't even think of what other FF game to compare it to because non of them have you crawling down a corridor for 20 hours.
Hid it better? Sure they did, through overall better game design.
***** I managed it up until the last few boss fights. I fail to see where the challenge is.
***** Okay sure. I know I have and know the game is a piece of trash so I'm not going to go out of my way because 'you don't believe me'.
The After Years was pretty good, I think.
The Gba/PS remakes of FF2 are pretty good also.
Paul Smith Nah, It's better than the base game IMO.
Drakkona123 Actually, if the After Years wouldn't have taken so many elements from FF4, and they were unique to the After Years, it would have been better than FF4.
dertien vijfenvijftig The band abilities and Cecil's Riku-like character development really sell that game for me. Also, the amount of optional characters, spells, areas, and countless other things you can do in that game just make it one of the most wonderful FF experiences for me. They took a world that they had made and expanded upon it, and they're awesome for that.
I just don't understand why Luca has a face. I thought Dwarven faces were jet black, not brown.
Drakkona123 I totally agree with you.
Drakkona123 I agree. I thought The After Years was a worthy sequel to my favorite FF game.
When the comment section is infinitely more entertaining than the video itself.
I actually quite enjoyed 13...
Cool
+owlflame cool that you think is cool
same. it was a pretty good game as long as you have the patience to sit through long corridors
Omar Gharbieh I mean... I had that patience in ME3. But you know what? ME3 was also actually a good game. Not just something you could like if you were a fan of going onto every video where someone says "It wasn't good." and saying "AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO ACTUALLY LiKEd it!?"
owlflame a lot of people liked 13
The FFXIII Saga was actually quite brilliant and Vanille is arguably the most redeemable character. She was a nice contrast to Lightning, but also faced her inner demons because everything was basically her fault. By the end of Lightning Returns, I'd say she's definitely one of the best characters from XIII.
Final Fantasy 2?
At this rate my mouse will break from how hard I'm mashing the dislike button
Same dude... ff2 was an awsome game I have beaten that game so many times!
Same. Especially the story, it may be simple by today's standard but they fucking NAILED the atmosphere!
OperationDEEZ my favorite thing from FF2 was the one thing that they seem to dislike the most, I love the lvling system in that game.
OperationDEEZ The most interesting thing about Final Fantasy II is how many staples of the series first appeared in that game (chocobos, Leviathan, some dude named Cid, characters with unique names and personalities).As an artifact of video gaming history, it's sort of interesting, but as an actual game it's rotten. The stat progression system was already hinted at in the video, but let's go into it, and other problems, deeper:
1) Stat Progression
Increasing your stats comes from using your equipment. So to increase your Strength, you make an attack. To increase you HP, you take damage. To increase your Magic, you cast spells. You also cast spells to level them up. Every spell you acquire starts out at level 1, and must be raised to at least 4 or 5 to be useful in the later parts of the game. You must cast the spells hundreds of times, and you have a few charges each between inn rests. And you must do this for every spell. Did I mention yet that as physical stats go up, magic ones go down? In addition, to increase your Dexterity, you successfully dodge (hope you are using shields for this, which decrease your offensive stats). You want high Dexterity because it governs how easily you can run from encounters. But even with your dexterity and evade maxed out there are a large number of enemy formations it's impossible to run away from.
2) Empty rooms
Most dungeons in Final Fantasy games have side rooms that you want to explore because you will find treasures like weapons and armor that are immensely useful. Final Fantasy II does the opposite. It has a huge number of dungeons with tons of doors that lead to nothing. And it puts you in the middle of the room about six steps away from the door. In a game where every step is a possible random encounter that you probably cannot flee from, this is crossing the line into trolling.
3) Worthless party members
Firion, Maria, and Guy stay with you through the entire game. The fourth spot is filled by a different person as the plot demands. Most of the time it will be filled by someone who has horrible stats and no skills (I'm looking at you, Gordon), requiring you to stop the game and spend an hour or two grinding them up to acceptable levels.
4) Tiny inventory
This game gives you a single inventory panel that holds exactly 32 unique items, and every single thing you ever get goes in there. By the end of the game, about a third of it is filled with quest items that you used once and do nothing but take up space. They even drop Richard's dragon in there, again presumably just to troll you.
Yes it's neat to read about its influence on the series, but never think for a moment that you should actually sit down and play this game. Go watch some Let's Play videos or something.
I think Gordon has decent stats, 21 in everything and I usually just build him fist-based glass cannon.
Kingdom Hearts is my favorite Final Fantasy.
Kingdom hearts is not final Fantasy...
keyblademaster 21
No shit.
+keyblademaster 21 u clearly dont know this is a joke
my favourite final fantasy character is roy.......
XD
FF2? SERIOUSLY???
You guys sure ran out of ideas.
I mean FF2 is notoriously known as the worst
@@river_g and underrated too
@@frozennoodles1728 true
Blasphemy!!!!
The PSP version of Final Fantasy 2 is actually a GREAT game.
PSP version? Amazing redition, Classic version, No, Just no
I gave the psp version a try. I diligently leveled spells maxed HP and MP got Genji stuff and Masamunes for everyone and I quit at the final dungeon because drain attacks. It felt like I wasted my time...
Even if the PSP version was great, the original version was still really broken and annoying. I guess it goes to show how remakes can really improve a game.
The leveling system ruined the game for me because it’s still monotonous
I play the gba version of ff2 not the original nes version
Absolutely love Final Fantasy XIII.
+massimiliano zoli Actually it is challenging to a majority of people, so if you're going to bitch and whine to someone about it, think of a better argument
***** What the fuck are you talking about? It sounds like you got salty after fighting a high lvl enemy early game, fucking nonsense haha
***** In gran pulse? Yes you can find high lvls there, which early boss could possibly be that difficult?
***** If you had to fight for 40 minutes, then you're just not good at the game
***** I have no idea what you're blabbering about, but if you had to fight for 40 minutes, you are just straight up bad and need to look up a tutorial or something
I actually like Dirge of Cerberus since it was such a different type of game play than the other final fantasy games. The only problem I have with the game is that the final boss is super easy to beat. The game had great music though.
me too! i really loved it
Thank you. I don't know why they're giving it crap. It was a good game that played well and had a great story. And the upgrade system for the guns was awesome.
+Meloaufve Xberinor yeah i think so too. i think it was really fun to play and it gave lot of opportunities to eliminate enemies from far away (sniper) which i really liked :)
I also like derge of Cerberus. But fuck does it have problems
It was a flawed masterpiece
i am still rooting for FF 13 .-.
Am i the only one?!
Nope my favourite ff game
I think its dumb to include FF13 and Dirge of Cerberus on this list... Sure FF13 didn't live up to its hype but that's not the games fault, its everyone else's for expecting the game to be something its not! If you put your nostalgia on the back burner and play FF13 for what it is, you find its actually a pretty fun game, with some good ideas and very technically solid! Although they could lose about 90% of the soap opera, melodrama, at least when the melodrama is not happening every 5 minutes I find my self really, REALLY enjoying it! Also props for putting FF2 ahead of FF13, that's always a point a bring up when people act like FF13 is the worst main title, its like people completely forgot about the first 3 FFs, and some can argue FF5 is worse also!
I don't think FF13 was melodramatic.
Jason Sacuta It was very melodramatic for about half of the game, then that's when the game and story starts to really get good. I just don't think people who complain about it actually even made it to the 2nd half of the game, witch is fantastic!
You make more sense than anybody else. Fuck nostalgia. Everyone should remember when ff 13 came out the franchise was already 22 years old. At that point if your still playing ff for nostalgia then you shouldn't bother because I'll admit its going to be a waste of your time. and btw ff5 is the second worse after 2. I'm glad at least one person here agrees with me
youngsexynerd1 melodrama is usually a good thing depending (if anything FF9 didn't handle the melodrama very well)
ho2da I think the worst (at least storyline wise) is 9.
***** That is most certainly true, however, if you liked FF X, and i'm sure you did cuz everybody loves that one except for me, despite the lack of free roam exploration why do u hate FF XIII cuz of something that FF X did, but u have not hate toward FF X? I wonder if you can answer my question. o and btw I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, it's just when your reading a comment it's hard to tell when someone is being sarcastic, but which in this case I'm not being sarcastic or hating on you because you have a different opinion I just wanna know the answer to the previously stated question.
Am I seriously the only person on the planet who likes Dirge of Cerberus.
No, you're not :D I played this game and enjoyed it.
Don feel alone bro, i love Dirge Of Cerberus because have my fav character in FFVII and give a better show of Vincent history as well
I liked Dirge of Cerberus as well. I also liked XIII.
Michael Gregory I like XIII also, I just didn't mention it because I understand why every one hates it.
Loved it, even while I recognized its flaws.
The FF IV: After Years isn't bad. I'd say that is pretty good. I was so hyped after seeing Kain become a holy dragoon. Damn! That was amazing!
The hate on FFXIII for linear gameplay is tragically hilarious. FFX was just as linear if not more so since random encounters were scaled back and the end game becomes so painfully apparent of what you should be doing that the creators even give you Auto-Life for the final battle. If that's not hand holding, then I don't know what is.
Why does no one ever bring up FFXII and it's horribly crippled storyline, unimaginative characters and side quests that were so immersive it took away from the storyline and you'd just get lost going from Hunt to Hunt? How about that miserable boss fight at the end? The useless helpers? The miserable bootleg summons?
Even if there's enough people to defend FFXII...I dare you to defend FFXII-2: Revanent Wings...THAT was the worst game with Final Fantasy ever attached to it.
The "last" fight in FF7 was also a guaranteed win. That wasn't meant to be the hard part, the first form was.
Notice how I don't talk about 7 being a good game? I just like to point out the fact that people hate blindly on one or two without noticing the painful shortcomings of the others.
Last fight in 7 was also 1 attack, not a whole build up going from beating your father, to killing your aeons that ends in a wet fart. Almost as bad of a final boss battle as the garbage that was Necros at the end of 9.
Andrew Balaz The Omni Slash attack on Sephiroth wasn't the "last fight", it was basicly just an interactive cut scene.
Aside from that though, there is nothing blind about my own dislike for FFXIII. What killed it for me was the characters, if I am going to put hours upon hours into a game, I have to at least "like" the characters in said game, though I personally disliked almost each and everyone of them in FFXIII.
I rather enjoyed FFXII and it's universe. The summons didn't bother me at all because they were trying to build a new pantheon associated with Ivalice. The story didn't feel crippled to me at all because the story was very straight forward and more time was focused on the journey than plot development. FFXII had my favorite combat system and I almost never got bored of grinding and exploring. Bosses were challenging if you didn't use a certain spell that reversed damage and you had free reign to craft archetypes onto any of your PCs. Also: Japanese Starwars.
I've tried and tried and tried FF13 AT LEAST 6 times over the course of it's existence and I just can't do it. Lost Odyssy was the true FF13 of last gen.
The After Years? really? I enjoy the shit out of that game
It’s an okay game but bad fanfiction as an ff4 sequel
The gameplay is fine and actually pretty fun with the bands, but the story is kind of ridiculous.
the level system of FF II was weird but the game himself wasnt bad and if you had Dawn of Soul on GBA its probably one of the greates GBA final fantasy
Everyone knows that doesn't count...dawn of souls were basically just remakes of both FF1 and FF2
and said remake was ported from the japanese exclusive Wonderswan Color!
xzs432 Yeah,I'm calling bullshit on that
I have a soft spot for II. Minwu and Firion are two of my favourite FF characters.
Akira Tadokoro I don't...I got frustrated with Final Fantasy II because of how you level up in FFII and we never saw that exp system again but don't get me wrong,I'm sure that would work in a tactics game or something but not in a main series
I don't like FF13 either, but if its so bad not in retrospect, why on earth did all the major reviewers give it at least and 8/10??? Almost as if they were paid to give it a decent score....
Basically. They praise it when it comes out because they don't take the time to actually examine the game to know whether or not it's actually good. XIII isn't a bad game; just very average and disappoints on nearly every facet the previous games banked on.
Triple A game that looked nice and you could beat it with your eyes closed? Sounds like the reviewer equivalent of a day off... I'd have given it an 8/10 too if I was a jaded reviewer making way more than I should to play dozens of games a week.
owlflame That's why linear games that follow traditional values like Uncharted and BioShock get a lot of praise from journalists. They're linear, relatively short and straightforward games that don't require any extra effort from the player (No disrespect to those games as they're not really trying anything unique and different to begin with). Practically a journalist's paradise so that they can get the review out as quick as possible; hence the positive FFXIII scores initially. Nobody wanted to admit just how disappointing it was until after the honeymoon period.
story was decent, graphics and soundtrack were beautiful, and Lighting was a great character. that's why
Omar Gharbieh Story was not decent, graphics and music were par for the course (for square), and lightning was a visually well designed character and nothing more.
I'm sorry, but calling Final Fantasy XIII a "bad game" is just dishonest. Is it flawed? Absolutely! The story was weak, the narrative relies on the player to read the datalog to know what's going on, and some characters made the characters in Transformers 2 tolerable in comparison, so I'm not going to say it's one of the best FF games.
But the linearity wasn't THAT restrictive, the combat (while limiting to only 1 character at a time) was exhilarating with the paradigm shifts, and the soundtrack and cinematics were GORGEOUS!
I mean, for fuck's sake, they gave the game an 8.6 when it was released. And they call it a "bad game?" I don't think so…
The biggest flaw I saw with FFXIII was that as soon as the world opened up, the story dwindled to practically nothing for everyone except Fang and Vanille. This is clear from the fact that in the little story summary available in XIII-2, of the 13 chapters, 10 of them take place during the first half of the game.
I've heard that this is due to the fact that the focus was shifted late in production to focus on Lightning rather than Vanille and Fang, which would make a lot of sense. As it is, I found the characters' stories gripping for as long as they lasted, but they became so bland as each of their arcs were tied up.
That being said, I loved the characters of XIII and loved pretty much everything about XIII-2. I look forward to eventually getting Lightning's Return,despite the poor reviews. Even with all the flaws in various games, SquareEnix has always managed to make me care about the characters.
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I mean if you used Auto-Battle sure. But if you start using abilities, it makes it feel more natural. Not a lot different than spamming Attack in previous FF's honestly.
I'm a fan of every FF though. I like that they can change some features of it. ATB is fun sure, but it gets boring being in all of them. ADB wasn't the best, but I appreciate they tried that with XIII. I actually wouldn't mind seeing something like LR:XIII gameplay in the future.
XV I hope keeps the series roots, but is different enough to stand out on it's own.
***** I agree. Yeah, Auto-Battle will only get you so far in the game before you need to switch paradigms.
***** I think that not all the changes to the formula were for the better, but I have to disagree with your statement.
***** Again, I disagree. I feel that while the story was weak and required a datalog to understand it at all, the world was rich and rather intriguing. The battle system, while limited, allowed for character to move around the battle field freely instead of sticking to a single line in previous games, which is an improvement. It also allowed to switch roles when fighting with certain enemies and tactics.
Yes, the first 10 chapters were a tutorial and were very linear. I'm not going to sit here and say the game is amazing because it's not. I just feel that it deserves a lot more credit than a lot of people give it.
Good list. From reading the comments and seeing the dislike bar, I'd say 80% of it is from FF13 fans, the other 20% is from FF Dirge of Cerberus fans.
Considering there are a vast abundance of retarded FF13 haters, I highly doubt that's plausible.
Mike Hawk "Considering there are a vast abundance of retarded FF13 haters, I highly doubt that's plausible."
This video stated that Final Fantasy 13 is one of the top 10 worst Final Fantasy games created. Which would mean that the "Like" bar is filled with these so called "retarded FF13 haters" as they would *like* a video stating it is a "bad" game.
Leaving the dislike bar, to be filled with the *fans* of Final Fantasy 13. Which makes my OP, plausible.
C-c-c-ombo Breaker! Idk i started FF13 but i couldnt get into it AT ALL. I could get into FFD FFDD FF12 FF14RR FF5 FF6 FF7 but FF13 i couldnt at all. The English voice actors are absolutely terrible and there was minimal emotion in the words even when Snow was trying to be a leader and all that intro stuff. The game was just boring as hell. It did look AMAZING though not gonna lie.
FF IV here, never played 13 so can't talk about that, FF IV for me was an average FF was not the best sure (hard to beat VI and VII)but definitely not a bad game, it have a neat combat, the introduction of augments and nice characters, i was disappointed that i couldn't choose my party but in the end i never struggled because of that, the party that the game forms are well balanced and make great sense in the plot, no sense in letting someone standing still in the ship while they have a kingdom to take care of, they have others tasks beyond being hanging around the 3 airships. The augments was the begining to the materia system, yang was nice but in combat i "always" could teach kain or edge how to kick.
AND FF IV have darth vader in it, how this isn't cool? he even have a badass villain and a redemption arc in the game
Dman41000 replay it, you probably think differently. I do suggest you replay it with an open mind. considering that the voice acting is quite good. If you think the voice acting is bad. Go to the laughing scene of ff10, or pick almost any scene from ff12.
C-c-c-ombo Breaker! You probably be right. But even the like bar does not indicate that they are from people that did not like ff13. Considering that I liked the video. Despite like 13 and dirge. as I think its good list besides those 2 games.
I love the After Years. Fuck this list.
StuUngar I do too fuck this guy
I find TAY an okay game and I don't go around getting mad at top 10 lists, which are clearly personal opinions.
StuUngar but it is just a remake of FFIV
Final Fantasy XIII was a great game. Just because its not what you used to doesnt mean its bad.
I like things I'm not used to, like the gambit system in XII, for example. But Final Fantasy gives you options, a possibility to explore the world, a good story, lovable characters. XIII had none of those.
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"a possibility to explore the world" FFX and Gran Pulse say hi.
"Lovable charachters"
FFI,II, Sazh and Fang say hi.
"A good story"
FFII,IV and the Archives say hi.
That's not the reason its so hated lmao. ffx is also fairly linear. ever wonder why that doesn't get near as much hate tho? ya there's your answer
FF8 to this day is still my all time favorite by a land slide.
Entropian2012 It was an amazing game. It's *still* in my top 5 (of *all* games, that is) which is insane, but it's one of the very few older games that I will actually play all the way through every time I start it.
Vic 2.0 They not only nailed the story line and chemisty between the character's but the game play was unlike any thing they ever created. I bought the PC version for like 15$ But hopefully they will come out with a HD remake.
Entropian2012 I'd like to see that too, but I doubt it. Maybe because a lot of people don't like it, who knows?
Vic 2.0 I never understood why people did not like it it really was their best work.
Entropian2012 Well, I know people complain about the draw system. About how you can't just replenish MP and go on casting the same way. But that just tells me they didn't make proper use of the *refining* system, because you can acquire magic rather easily as you acquire GFs and teach them to refine items into spells.
And they also cannot wrap their heads around why Squall is the way he is, which annoys me to no end! The game makes it a point to explain that, in flashbacks to his childhood.
I would defend Final Fantasy XIII as not being too bad, but if you wanna tack it on at Number 10, that's fair, it definitely has problems.
But Final Fantasy II gets a lot of unjustified hate. Yeah, the battle system is lame. But you know what, it tried to be different and unique compared to other RPGs at the time. And it introduced a lot of Final Fantasy staple concepts like Chocobos, Cid, Ultima, and compared to the first game it actually tried to have a developed story and characters.
It's not a gem of the series, but one of the worst there is? Cut it some slack. I've got it for PSP and I enjoy replaying it now and then for it's non-linear world allowing me to explore freely if I've the balls to brave the higher-level enemies (or the skill to grind up to their level).
I've never even played this game, but I'd prefer it to something like V!
I agree so much with this.The only problem I had with FFII was the replay value. After beating it, I never had the urge to play it again because of the leveling system being a little odd.
Ok, I've actually played ffii this time, the ORIGINAL version, and I have to say: this is several thousand times more likable than ffi. The game is playable, the enemies don't pwn you with magic, and you get a feeling of actual PROGRESSION. It's like Pokémon, except you have infinite EV's.
SuperStachey eightnineeightnine Yup. And in the PSP release the bonus dungeons are accessible first thing in the game; in fact you have to enter them as early as recruiting Minwu to get his ultimate weapon from them. And the dungeon is unlocked by using the Key Words you learn, letting you access more floors as the game goes on and manipulate the content of the floors if you know the connection between them. FF2 for PSP is a game made for players who love to level grind and sequence break, and give them incentive to do so.
this is a FINAL FANTASY game. the fact that you have to say "its not that bad" in the first place, means theres a serious problem.
The fact that FFXIII somehow garnered high scores upon release from almost every major reviewer and publication is proof at how ridiculous video game journalism is. I'd almost say politics are less corrupted. All we really get upon the release of game in a major series is a slew of advertisements masquerading as "reviews." It only takes a few months for the same publications to change their tune and acknowledge what a pile of shit games like FFXIII are. It's embarrassing. I know there are people that like it, and you're entitled to your opinion. But I feel sorry for you. The graphics and a few cool moments with Lightning are this game's only redeeming qualities. It's an annoying, convoluted, ridiculously linear, mess of a game that essentially plays itself.
Reviewers don't agree with you so they must be shit and corrupt. Well guess what. Not everybody agrees with your jaded opinion. To me, XIII is far superior to XII (even though XII has far more replay value) and XI and XIV don't count cause main FF titles aren't supposed to be MMOs.
Not everyone shares your opinion so get your head outta your ass and accept others or shut the hell up.
***** You have problems. Both in the fact that you're an angry little man, as well as you're a braindead fool who actually enjoys FFXIII. What kind of hypocritical douchebag blasts someone's opinion by telling them "not everybody agrees with you." The fact that the narrator even points out that GT has changed their opinion on the game illustrates my point. And it is WIDELY known that many "reviews" are simply paid advertising for newly released games. This isn't my opinion. This is a fact. I am truly sorry that you do not understand how the world works, as well as that you are a apparently an overly aggressive, mouth-breathing simpleton who believes FFXIII has any value whatsoever..
Calm down, man. FFXIII was pretty entertaining. I liked it much more than IX, X, and XII personally... good music, fun gameplay, a few interesting characters (I wish that Hope died in a car fire at the beginning of the game, though, instead of being a playable character). I can agree that "reviewing" companies like IGN and their ilk are simply propaganda/advertising machines, though. You'll get much more objective reviews from independent sources.
Cody Guadagnoli FFXIII is better than FFIX??? Wow. Well, again, you must understand you're in the minority here. If XIII were a stand-alone, original title, it'd be different. But the flames it constantly attracts are deserving, because it has really become the embodying peak of what all core fans of the FF series have come to despise. The linearity. The convoluted leveling system that implies customization, but is really just tedious busy work. The annoying characters and cliched enemies. The reason it's often referred to as "Final Hallway" is a testament to its ridiculous gameplay mechanic in a series that once was revered for its open exploration and customizeable playstyle. It's a game that nearly plays itself, which renders it inevitably into a movie. I don't need to go into much detail as to why the game has been blasted ad nauseum, but my point is the hypocritical nature of sites like IGN who claim they're reviewing games, when they're actually just advertising them. There aren't nearly enough independent sources for solid reviews of games (in comparison to the cynical film reviewing community), which is why so many people have to look for self-produced reviews like Angry Joe's to actually find a fair evaluation of a newly released title.
frozenaorta I wasn't impressed by IX. I liked the art style, but the story was ludicrous and the battle system was a joke following VIII's Junction/Draw/Eidolon system. The only character's I marginally liked were Vivi and Steiner, and they were about as one-dimensional as you can get.
I could rant on about IX, but this is about XIII. Yeah, it was on rails. And to be perfectly frank, the entire series has been pretty linear. XIII just wears it on its sleeve. The franchise has usually boasted an open world, but there are fairly limited sidequests and other avenues of exploration in comparison to rival RPGs. Final Fantasy has pretty much been about turn based combat, fleshed out characters, and epic plots since FFIV. Play the old games again... there's honestly only an illusion of open exploration. It's always optional, limited in scope, and has no effect on the main gameplay other than to trivialize combat. MMOs and open world games like Skyrim are much better for the purpose of sandbox style exploration. I'll tell you right now with near complete certainty that the main FF franchise will never have more than a slight focus on that aspect from this point on (aside from in their own MMOs, since that entire stye is pretty much based around doing your own thing).
As far as independent reviews... youtube, amazon, and gamefaqs.com tend to have a plethora of that stuff. I wouldn't trust a magazine or gaming website to tell me what to spend my money on in this day and age.
How did you guys not mention FFX-2 as being a disGRACE to the beautiful and innocent storyline of X?!
+ItsRobinWhoTalks say what you want about it's story, i still dig x-2's improved job system and atb system
+ItsRobinWhoTalks x-2 was way better. You dont have to put up the anyoying characters like tidus and wakka. And fuck blitzball, its all about tetra triad
i love x-2 lol
Because X-2 had good gameplay.
GedaCrew Sorry, I think I picked the wrong word there. The game's storyline isn't innocent at all, maybe I'm just too attached to the pure, innocent Yuna which is why I disliked what they did to her in X-2.
Also people seem to love the X-2 battle system, I really didn't. That's just a question of preference I think.
Not saying X-2 is a bad game, I just didn't like it personally.
final fantasy x was more linear than 13...
13 end game is pretty great imo
How was X more linear than 13? There's actually sidequests and backtracking.
x is linear thru the story for the most part. you can backtrack but there really isnnt any reason to and its also a pain without the airship. sidequest and backtracking are clearly designed for llate to post game here just like 13
13 is leaner up to the point you reach gran pulse where you can do cieth missions and explore optional areas
also, there is just more stuff to do in 13 compared to x. in terms of content, it had more optional areas, cieth missions> monster arena, etc.
dont get me wrong, i love ffx and think its the better game, im just pointing out that saying final fantasy 13 is a bad game because its linear is unfair
both are fairly linear games, ffx had a much better story
Jack L being linear doesnt automatically make it bad though,theres loads of great linear games out there,and this misconception that good JRPGs cant be a part of them is just wrong.the reason i hated 13 was actually the battle system.the story wasnt great,but it wasnt that bad either(i still think 12's was a lot more boring).
...but thats my point, that linearity doesnt make a game bad and that those who hate final fantasy 13 because of it are being unreasonable since many of them also praise final fantasy x
i thought the weakest thing about 13 was the story. i actually rlly enjyed the battle system but to each their own
Jack L FFXIII wasn't as much about story as it was about character interaction. Play up until the last moments of LRFFXIII, and you will be touched. Be sure to check the datalogs
i guess I'm one of the only ones that pays more attention to the soundtracks of the games cuz i loved 13 and dirge of cerberus soundtracks
+Sidney Lawson I know what you mean bro apart from getting more info on Vincent story I rather play the game more for the music same thing for Eternal Eyes, Bloody Roar, Destrega, Tekken, hmm maybe Blaster Master: Blasting Again.
XIII had my favorite story and music, I don't see why XIII got so much grief, it was one of the best ones in my opinion, my top three is: VII,X,XIII
+Evan Thorn ok. So if it's your favorite story then that means you can explain the story. I played through 13 and had no idea what the fuck was going on. And I'm a writer. I kept up with the interpersonal stories of each of the nations in ff12
+owlflame wow i guess we are indeed all different though :) because to me, it was the total opposite: i understood and loved every part of FF13 but had no idea what was going on in FF12, eventhough i loved the combat system lol
Marshall Cross You can love FF13, but my guess is that people who like 13, won't like games in the series with actual stories and stuff. Because FF13 is really more for people who kinda just... don't care about plot.
Thank you for putting FF13 on this list. I tried so hard to like it, but couldn't get into it. FF10 is still my personal favorite.
Why does everyone hate on 13? It wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible imo
atharid gemilang even 15?
I love everything in FFXIII.... The music, the characters..... everything, and people who hate this game should let it alone and not come to every videos which talk about it to let a hating comment... So go back to FFVII and let the fans of FFXIII in peace please.
*Yeah* Glad to see someone say they love FF XIII :D
Riley Tan Oooh me too trust me ! :') And I don't care about the people who hate this game XD I'm proud to love FFXIII :3
Eww i'm sorry but it's just trash. Best FF : FF10 and FF7. FF4 and after years are great too.
Haloelite27 I love FFX and FFIX but FFXIII is really good too, in my opinion of course ^^
Stephanie Taylor *Big thumbs-up for you* I am listening to the Final Fantasy soundtrack often, including the FFXIII :-) Also, I love FF7, FF8, FFX, FFX-2, especially FF12. Overall, it doesn't matter what other says, if we Love 13, is not their business :) :) :) Am I right? Stephanie ;)
I must be of the minority that likes Final Fantasy XIII.
I can see why people don't like it, I think the story is ok, but not great and the characters are rather bland with only Sazh and maybe fang being interesting and not annoying(Vanille's voice pitch is way too high). Other than that, they made changes to the battle system, which were ok, but changed where the tactical aspect of ff games came from, switching it from party composition and abilities to switching paradigms.
Overall, I didn't really like it, but I don't think it deserves as much hate as it got/gets.
On the other hand, a lot of people say FFXII sucks but is one of my favorites even though it does have some flaws, I just really liked what they did with the combat system and most of the characters were interesting(except Vaan).
There were flaws, definitely, in FFXIII, but I thought the overall story was good. To me, if you have a good story, battle mechanics and level system, I can look past other things, and I think that game delivered.
Im with you!! FF 13 is awesome!!
I don’t like XIII but I like XIII-2. Xiii-2 is a very good game imo. My favorite final fantasies are X, VII, and XII.
You're not
Did he say "Trash like chocobo racing" or my ears are playing tricks on me?Because if he did,this list turns meaningless
I can't with the people who say that if you like 13 you don't care about the plot or have never played any other final fantasy. Final fantasy XIII has one of the most intricate lores of all the saga, (yes, more than FFVII), and of you think the battle system is just pressing "X" you haven't been playing attention.
Yes, some characters are irritating (Snow is just the worst, to be honest). Yes, paths are too linear, even though i feel like that is a part to the plot (you see, for most of the time you're just doing a mission and obeying in order to don't become a monster, but then when you get to chapter eleven and you diverge from your path, you find yourself in an extensive open world full of possibilities).
So yeah it's not one of the best final fantasy games ever but not at all one of the worst. You didn't even include revenant wings xD
Alright. The bashing on Final Fantasy XIII should really stop... Yes, I know it was very hyped up and tons of people were disappointed that it wasn't the end-all game that mankind had always dreamed of. Nothing will ever be that great. But this reviewer and many others have no idea what they were talking about when it comes to the story and its characters. Yes, the linearity is a bit absurd, but guess what! It makes perfect sense with the story and the fact that the game becomes huge when they travel to Gran Pulse is almost a beautiful artistic statement. Now, the characters... If people would just look past Vanille's voice (even though I've heard WAY worse), she has the potential to be one of the emotionally deepest characters in the entirety of Final Fantasy. So shut up about her and the rest of the characters! I don't hear ANYONE complaining about how awfully dull and predictable Cloud Strife and Sephiroth were. Focus your frustrations about characterization on something else because Vanille (and Snow. Seriously, reviewer?) doesn't deserve it. Far from it. Honestly, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy VI, and Final Fantasy XIII are my favorites, but that's only because I can actually appreciate deep storylines with deeply affected characters. People let too many things come between them and a good game and Final Fantasy XIII is the best example that I can think of. Sorry that everybody got butt-hurt that it wasn't as mind-blowing as they wanted it to be, but oh well. It's still a great game. I'd bet, oh how I'd bet, if Square Enix ever did publish a Final Fantasy VII HD Remake, everybody would be disappointed and it would be the worst game EVERRRRR. ...And if they didn't change the story, character development, and script of the original to the remake, the public would actually be right for once!
THANK YOU!
Thankyou!!
***** Whether or not you believe that *Gran Pulse is large and beautiful, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things since the story line still demands a certain amount of linearity for realism and cohesive storytelling. Yes, this turned a lot of people away from the game. But linearity does not make a bad game. In fact, it's usually the strictly linear games that end up having the best stories and characters as they're developed in a way as if you are reading a book and books are never open-world. Not enough people have the attention span nowadays to enjoy a good story and that is how Final Fantasy XIII came under so much fire. Maybe today's society can't deal with games like that, but that may be because today's society can't deal with reading books either because it's just too hard to keep their attention on any one thing for a set period of time. They need "mini-games" consistently because they just can't handle themselves, which is truly pathetic.
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***** The story was explained as perfectly as it needed to be. It was built to make you think. It didn't need any more narration than it had. The datalog was only there to help and provide deeper insight on the mythology working behind the scenes in the game. But yes, some games do want you to read a little bit. Is that really so hard? If you really enjoyed reading as much as you say that you do, I wouldn't think it would be so difficult to take a little time to read up on some vocabulary if you didn't understand it. Especially if you actually wanted to make the tiniest effort to enjoy the game. Honestly, the two sequels actually are crap and were only created to milk the mythology out of the story, but XIII alone was a stand-alone and fantastically moving story with twists and turns every which way. People just fail to understand it. Kind of like how some people manage to fail to understand the Leonardo DiCaprio film, Inception. Weak example, I know, but lots of people hate it because they don't understand it. By the way, great counter. "Downright stupid," huh? I dare you to build a story half as great.
Up yours dude, FF13 was fun, Dirge of Cerberus was awesome and why would you put FF4 the after years on here, that game was good.
Nonsense! I actually liked 13! Call me crazy! Mainly for the amazing OST but I actually enjoyed the literary techniques in the story telling. Yes there were some crappy annoying characters and extremely linear gameplay. I still wouldn't put it on a top ten worst list.
I liked it quite a bit too, but I can see why so many hates it so much. The pacing is atrocious and the first seven hours or so are both extremely tedious and very confusing and their storytelling methods are just uninspired, as if they wanted to make a movie of even a book instead of a game. Topping that with Vanille, Hope and Snow being absolutely gratingly annoying until they get some character development later on, it leads to an incredibly unforgiving entry threshold. As long as you have enough patience and forgiveness, you will eventually see the gem beneath all the grime, but in the end, I can fully understand why so few bother to dig that deeply.
Tengila You just explained how I feel about 13.
You make a good point, i agree. This was the game that got me excited about the series. If i wasn't for this game i would go though my life thinking all cloud cosplayers were just blond guys with over sized swords.
I LIKE IT! THEREFORE YOU'RE WRONG FOR THINKING IT'S BAD!
I played FFXIII for almost 36 hours straight, it was frustrating at times, but damn did i love it, and parts 2 and 3 make me love it more
people are too harsh on 13 it has a good story and likeable characters
MOAR LIKE BAD STORY AND UNLIKEABLE CHARACTERS LOL
Jon Tron lololololol
No
All The Bravest is wholly deserving of it's #1 spot.
"First thing on screen is FF8" Take deep breaths.... Go to your happy place.
VIII may have been a polarizing final fantasy title, but remains far from being a bad game and, as one of the first RPGs I ever played, is still one of my favorites.
To be fair, I rate FF8 myself as a low point in the games as a whole, but I do it because of the tedious nature of drawing magic, coupled with a general feeling to max out the spells drawn in case of needing them (or to upgrade later), not because it was a bad game per se. The same can be said of grinding for spells/abilities in most of the other games in the series, too, though; 8 just gets ragged on because you're doing it typically in the same fight, not spread out across hundreds of fights.
The After Years is episodic format, and the Final Fantasy VII Remake will be in episodic format as well... Let that sink in.
At the start of the video he says "No phoenix down can revive them"
But... Final Fantasy XIV as they say "2nd worst FF game" Is the one thing saving SE`s ass from bankrupcy.
+Nirvash You're thinking of "A Realm Reborn", what they're talking about is the original XIV that was so bad they ended up remaking the whole game into the great MMO it is now.
Actually. This video was made looooong after realm reborns release, I seriously doubt the poster even tried it
The video even talked about how he's referring to the original release and not ARR. The original release WAS absolute garbage and got canned within a year and got completely remade into the greatness it is now.
This is why I'm glad they are releasing hd updates of their old games. kingdom hearts hd, ffx hd, etc. yeah, their current games are getting a little bit better but I doubt they'll be able to put out anything better than what they've done in the past.
XII should be here too...
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1st, the story board could be shortened like this: "A boy wanted to become a sky pirate, met a princess who sought revenge, the princess succeed, and the boy become a sky pirate."
2nd, The gameplay was a big nope. Almost every single FF fan I've ever met in my entire life, either in real life, or from internet hates the gameplay. Half action half strategy shit? Aint nobody wants that. (Except you, and some few other people)
3rd, I've played every single numbered FF series available out there. And this, by far, the worst non-online FF ever.
アップルパイ So its bad for SE to try something new? I see...
***** I liked 12 as well...how ever I've only played FF10, 10-2, 12, 13 & 13-2, out of these I enjoyed 12 the most
Nicholas Canfield Trying something new wasn't the problem. But failing that "new" attempt so bad, combined with that super crap storyline, that's the problem.
***** I really liked the the open world explorations and side quests....ahh yes the side quests, those were the best out of 10, 10-2, 13 & 13-2....actually I don't remember 13 or 13-2 having side quests :/ anyway, it was a nice touch that some beasts would only appear in certain seasons & hunting down the summons that was great challenge as well though I wish they would have been just as powerful in my battles as they were when I fought to get them...but apart from that it was great
I honestly believe FF6 is THEE best Final Fantasy. If all basis were equal: voice acting, graphics, and updated... it's better than FFX, FFIX, and FFVII in my opinion.
>read the title.
>came to see the dislike bar.
>was not disapointed.
I Like Dridge of Cerberus. Thats all.
***** me too, using a different gameplay wasn't that bad, but it worked! and the histoy is also cool
Yeah i don't see why Dirge of Cerberus was "bad" as they said o.o, i mean it wasn't perfect but it was fun o.o
Yeah they didn't even give an explanation to why it was a bad game
I'll admit I think that is was stretched too long and they added way too many characters, but I still don't think it's a bad game
***** Nothing wrong with liking a bad game. Just acknowledge that it's a bad game.
Yes but why is it a bad game to begin with? They never say why only that it just is o_o
FFL: "Bad gameplay, even for the time period" dude its literally the first handheld rpg
ff13 was and is a glorious game. as are its sequels.
Couldn't agree more
Of course the fanboys with the FF13 icons say this. Face it, FF13 was a poor excuse for a Final Fantasy game. It may have been a good game without the Final Fantasy title, but not when it does have it attached.
Alex Fitzpatrick Go poison someone else's comment mate. I'll defend XIII as much as I like.
Alex Fitzpatrick I can see issues with XIII such as its linearity, pacing and what not, but I decide to look past them and enjoy the good of a game. Plus, you're too sensitive to the brand, just enjoy the fucking game and worry less about the brand name, jeez.
I think XIII falls into the same category as II: a failed experiment. I appreciate the streamlining they tried. I also thought the characters had potential, but in the end the execution wasn't on par with the concept and we ended up with a game that was boring and repetetive and a story many people simply couldn't relate to. What really brings the shame on square enix is that they extended xiii into an awful trilogy with two games that much like the original had good ideas and concept but just an awful execution. I never thought, I'd ever find a moogle annoying, but Xiii-2 managed me to do that in just a couple of minutes! And LR treats its idea of an open world as somewhat revolutionary when we have all the gtas assassins creeds elder scrolls and even final fantasy onlines out there!
Wait so a complaint about crystal chronicles echos of time is that it has text only speech? It's a ds game?
"Final Fantasy Legend" does not even meet the requirements you said, it doesn't have Final Fantasy on its name (only the dub does)
I kinda liked The After Years. Had they fixed the RNG and added more enemy variety, it would have been utterly amazing. The whole episodic thing was a bit of a pisser, though.
He say a bad fanfiction... ? I'm scare to show my work because i write one inspired by the Oldschool FF style and other fan stuff... :/
the Android version is the worst but the PSP version is the best to play The After Years.
I think your judging pretty hard. I as a real final fantasy fan like EACH game Squenix develops, some more some less. But I wouldn't ever call one game completely bad, that's just unfair regarding the effort that was made for it!
You just sound like delusional fanboy. If a game is bad, it's bad. There is nothing more to it
+PSspecialist You really think that Yoshinori Kitase would sit down with his fellows and be like: "Hey folks, let's make a real BAD game, so people have a reason to hate us!" ?
He would never, in fact Squenix is keen on doing a better fan service with each game they produce, what's quite plausible in my view. While doing research on our interests and preferences nowadays, they might could be off beam sometimes and fail our expectations. The result is a game, that's not real good, like All The Bravest. But I simply refuse to call a game completely bad and slag it in an almost subconscious level because after all it's been made for us: The Final Fantasy fans =)
Okay and? Uncharted Golden Abyss was made for Uncharted fans. I am an Uncharted fan. Golden Abyss was trash. I'm a fan of jrpg's in general. I'm a Tales of fan for example. I love the Tales series. It's one of my favorite RPG franchises, but I still think Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Hearts R are very weak games. They have some good in them for sure, but are overall poor games to me. It doesn't matter what the intent is. It doesn't matter how much work is out into it. At the end of the day, if the game is good, the game is good. If it's bad, it's bad.
+David Restrepo "If a game is bad, it's bad" now that's a real primitive way of thinking...you couldn't be more subjective. Be careful, i didn't call each game great just because of the effort of Squenix, I said some more some less. What I was trying to say is that it's not that simple to judge unsubtle over a game because they're ALWAYS good and bad points. If you say that a game is bad you gotta explain yourself, especially out of an objective point of view. If you personally don't like it that's okay. But nobody gives a shit as long as don't got specific (comprehensible) reasons to it.
I could explain why a game is bad if I wanted to though??? But unless there's a really in depth discussion going on or I'm doing a review, it's unecessary to go into detail. If a game is bad, it's bad. People can pour their hearts into something that is ultimately bad. Hard work does not equal a good product. They are not directly related like that.
Anybody who says that any Final Fantasy released after X is the best final fantasy, is probably 12 and never played the older games in the series. Final Fantasy died after 10.
a realm reborn was a great mmo and final fantasy 15 might be great also
A realm reborn is good in many aspects but the combat is so slow it puts me to sleep :/
Mad Mental Hibby Final Fantasy 7 is the best. Its just not hip to say so because its also the most mainstream and everyone knows youre not a "true fan" if you agree with casual fans.
The second best installment is XIV a realm reborn and Heavensward. Third would be 4 or 6. Crisis Core is also underrated.
6, 9, and Tactics are the Hipsters' FF wet dream games and as a result are the true FF games that tend to be overrated.
12 was kind of a mess story-wise. but as far as its tactical control it was really good. the gambit and weapon discipline systems were really good and diverse.
What about FFXV?
I loved FF 13, all three branches of it, from the first to 13-2 especially and lightning returns, it was incredibly fun.
those three games are piles of shit. I'm playing it right now
just different tastes then
Raging0Wolfen0Girl I think that 13 was pretty boring but 13-2 is great
But...but...I loved FF IV The After Years. ;_;
Grant it, I wasn't crazy about the moon phase system, but I loved the idea of going through another adventure 17 real time years later. Even if it is a bunch of rehashed stuff from the original game.
FF 13 Sure had it's flaws, but i don't think this game should be on the top 10 worst FF Games. And about the game's Linear level design, I don't think many people understands why this game was so linear to begin with. Sure it would be nice if we could go and explore towns and other locations, but characters were on the run from the PSICOM, so it is only logical that returning and derping around previously visited locations would be a bad idea.
Yeah, I consider FF9 to be worse than FF13.
yeah... RPGs are not supposed to be linear, plus they didn't make a good game to begin with. It should be higher. Hell, it's the Sonic 06 of Final Fantasy. You should know how horrible 06 was, right Sonic boy?
Guypersonmanthing3 RPG's are supposed to be linear if their more story focused, a lot of the final fantasy are linear, and don't compare sonic to final fantasy, there different genres, and ff13 isn't like sonic 06, ff13 gameplay was nice, while sonic 06 was glitchy. FF9 is worse than FF13.
Jason Sacuta Okay I was just scrolling through the comments and was reading yours and I agreed until that last sentence.
FINAL FANTASY IX is NOT worse than XIII at all. Better characters, better exploration, better gameplay, better story. The only flaw the game has is its graphics.
Don't you ever say something like that again. Though I don't like XIII or that trilogy, I still played the first 2 and IX is not worse at all.
There shouldn't be any discussion about this. Have you even played the Final Fantasy series except for those 2?
You are way wrong. Plus I used Sonic 06 to compare for levels of awfulness. Sure, lots of JRPGs are linear, but the really good ones are still open ended, and can tell a great story, without HAVING YOU STUCK IN A HALLWAY! Western rpgs aren't linear (well the really good ones aren't), and I don't mean by just hallway stuff, I mean in dialogue choices, pathways you take, how you fight, etc. Hey, Final Fantasy VII, a really good JRPG is like that! Hey, Skyrim, an open-ended sandbox western RPG got a 40/40 from Fitmitsu, japans #1 gaming magazine. Plus in story shitness, Sonic 06 is just as bad as FFXIII. For different reasons (though sometimes similar reasons), but they are both equally bad.
13 still my favorite :) ! I loved the music ,story made me cry and connected with hope then realized his true potential . Graphics were great and just amazing . Didnt get a platinum for nothing
Which parts of the story made you cry?
Gameplay made me cry...
The game made me cry, that's for damn sure. Wasn't 'cause I was moved by the story though . . .
Shrike I just don't get it. Some of the people who say "made me cry" clearly got to a really really good part of the story I skipped.
It made me cry with disappointment, mostly.
anyone else like FF13? i loved that game... lol
I really liked FF13 plus it was challenging
I like the second half after you get to Pulse. But those 25-40 hours on Cocoon are just painful and the game deserves all the shit it gets just for that over long linear prologue. Also the game deserves shit for those horrible characters. Except Sazh. Sazh was great. And Fang to a certain extent.
FF13 was amazing, everything was perfect! Good Story, Good Combat, Best Characters!
Alex Jay Mee~ Light's my favorite~
Alex Jay one of my faves
At least Square later came out with a really, really good mobile FF game in Final Fantasy: Record Keeper.
+kainhighwind2 It drains my life every day
I've spent more money on it than any mobile game I've ever played. Thank you Google Surveys!
+kainhighwind2 Why di I have to read your comment >.
Love Record Keeper!!!!
+Kohl Yis you will have no life when brave exvius comes again XD
I'm guessing Final Fantasy X-2 wasn't mentioned because we all just want to think that game didn't happen?
Painkillar3000 I tried playing that game a couple of times... it's basically just tits and ass, with no real substance that I could find. Unless you like those "dress me up" games.
Painkillar3000 Not gonna lie tho, I loved that game
Painkillar3000 Final Fantasy X-2 wasn't mentioned because it's the best one.
Painkillar3000 X-2 wasn't the greatest FF game i've ever played lol but it was a good time.
I actually really enjoyed x-2 and so did many others. I don't understand the hate that game gets. Same with 12 cuz 12 was fantastic. Oh well, to each their own
i really hate it that Final Fantasy XIII get so much hate, its got great characters, a great story and a great battle system (it's my favorite battle system in the Final Fantasy series, i loved switching out roles and experimenting with the different types)
FFXIII was pretty good it was just to linear with no towns to explore and most cities that you visited like nautilus park you couldn't return to it combat was good too story good characters good.
Actually everything was crappy in FFXIII but the worst think was the fucked up fighting gameplay.
Sezer Arslan I don't think everything about it was bad. I very much enjoyed the summon system, I liked certain characters a lot (Lightning remains my favorite Female Character of all time), and the fighting system while frustrating at times, had a lot of fun moments, and was a nice shift from the other games.
I get why people don't like 13, I'm just saying I was one of those that had a good amount of fun with it.
Dirge of cerberus was AWESOME back in the day... I borrowed my friend's ps2 to play it again and again until I was forced to give him his console back.
FF14 was bad, but a realm reborn turned it into probably the best hotkey mmorpg out there.
I agree, I loved Dirge of Cerberus back in the day. I also have FF 14 A Realm Reborn on my PS4 and its awesome.
Dirge shouldnt be here.....sure its not a normal final fantasy but as a third person shooter its pretty damn good
If Final Fantasy VIII is on this list im going to go on a murderous rampage
FINAL FANTASY 8 IS THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IN THE VIDEO. DY9OSHGSOYVWOYCWOWC8WC8TC7WCOWF8W8CTE8CYS8CIDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE
Love 8 regardless of its glaring issues. Definitely one of the better main games.
8 had a lot of problems.
I like to call them beauty marks
8 did have a lot of problems, but it also had some great points as well. It's one of those games where, if you can get past the rough, is a gem underneath. You do have to work for it though. I'm still holding out hope for a less grindy version of the junction system.
Final Fantasy X-2 is not on this list ....
I am happy with this list.
final fantasy XIII was pretty good.. people hate on it too hard
Penguinz13989 I've played it a couple of times. It can be challenging, but it has it's really awesome moments that make it worth playing... at some point, people need to understand that not every game is trying to be Final Fantasy 7.
+Penguinz13989 People may have been entertained by that game, but it wasn't, in any technical sense, a good game. It was a lazy version of FF that offered lots of shiny, shimmery visuals but uninspiring characters, monotony, and an almost offensive token black character.
Ryan Beaty Sahz was one of my favorites. I don't even see how he would be considered offensive. Of course, we could just make sure that there are NO Black people in video games. I don't see how that will make everyone happy, but oh well.
+Ryan Beaty Did you even play FF 13? Sahz is far from being offensive. If anything he's one of the few good things about the game.
+KromePlatedMegafone +Patrick2345454 I think ryan Beaty was talking about Final Fantasy 7 and Barret as that offensive token black guy when they made it in the 90's dood which obviously in the remake will have to make adjustments to his mannerisms and attitude to not offend anyone.
Only stupids oldschool haters and "Noidea" fans say that FF13 is bad game. The game is worse than FF 7,9,10...and other tops FF, but the FF13 is a good game.
Never tried XIII , is it worth it?
Makes sense, if you don't know about games.
Mx6Own0r It differs from other FFs, it is less open world, and more linear for the sake of a "better story" Squeenix was trying something new, change the formula but it drifted too much for some ppl. Its not a BAAAD game, is just... there are better FFs.
This game is better than >80% PS3 and Xbox360 catalog.
Xellos Florencio Lombardo Bodas FF13? Lol no. Lost Odyssy > FF 13 by faaaaaar.
I expected 13 in this and wasn’t disappointed. But dissing on Vanille?! My favorite character in the game? That’s going too far!
Lol I loved XIII as well but Vanille had the worst English voice acting.
What about the story of XIII??? Which was amazing!
EternalShockk Aw hell no. This story is pure bullshit.
LulzGuy Yeah, maybe for you. Do you even realize the pressure that they all had to live with? Being l'Cie... hated/feared by everyone with a devastating demand. Yeah, pure bullshit. I loved that game. Can't say the same of XIII-2 tho.
This story sucks. They always whine about how fucked they are.
This is a pure bullshit if you look at other games like Xenoblade Chronicles.
Okay, I'm a moron and I guess I was too high. I guess that I didn't understand the point of this video at the time. Don't remember.
EternalShockk if you are little 8 year old child with no imagination no expectation for the world, your brain is damaged and you never played another final fantasy before... then yes maybe it was amazing to you...
Missing from this list are 8, X, X2, XIII2.
See, that's what I knew would happen when I watched this video. X and XIII-2 Are my favorite FF games (apart from the Tactics games). That's partially due to the fact that FFX was the first FF game I played, but I also love the characters.
For FFXIII-2, I'm not sure why exactly I like it. I suppose because I care about the characters (which I think was greatly helped by Noel's AC outfit) and found the battle system pretty fun when it came to the stronger enemies.
10 and 8 are good games... only problems i see on 8 are the battle system employed pretty much made noobs cry and the unrewarding grind.... the story is also too vague for shallow people who cant read between the lines....
X-2 and XIII-2 however are justified and both should be put on the top 5 of this list with X-2 being no 2 or 1
8 is my fave after FFXIV ARR, love the customization and story
not 8
8 is my fave. The story line is great, the characters in it are great and the Graphics are also good for PS1.
X is the first and the best FF game on the PS2.
X-2: You play with 3 hot chiçks what more do you want?
XIII is on place 10 and XIII-2 is better so should not be in the list, hands down.
FFIV:TAY,but you used FFIV's gameplay??
BLASPHEMY
IDIOCY
HEATHEN!!
Exactly what I thought
YES LMAO- also i think ffiv:tay is awesome and one of my fav ff with ffiv lol
quite misleading review on both FF2 & FFL/SaGa series. FF2 was actually adapted on how western RPG gameplay back then, and the review seems didn't consider current gaming at the time. In fact, core of FF2 gameplay was later survived and adapted into it's own series, the SaGa/FFL line-ups. And I do like SaGa series as well. The series wasn't probably meant for everyone since the series itself was dubbed hardcore-JRPG.
In fact, I still highly regard both FF2 & SaGa, at least way better than FF7 (yes, the main game, not the spin-offs). Perhaps that's also why FF13 also bad, becoz main protagonist is essentially Cloud-female version. lol
Final Fantasy II is not worse than XIII, or Mystic quest, or all those others. Also, you forgot Tactics Advance.
I agree, not sure why FF2 is hated on so much. Final Fantasy II definitely does not deserve to be anywhere near as high on this list at all. At worst it should be number 10, but I think it is better than a lot of other FF games out there. I think its hard to argue that FF2 doesn't have the most productive villain in all of the FF series. Managing to conquer the planet, Hell, and Heaven throughout the game. Even Kefka only managed to ravage a section of the world. FF2 also had some insanely good music. Castle Pandemonium's theme is still one of my favorite FF songs of all time. The sped up melody from the overworld theme gives you the feeling of "this is what I've worked for, its all led to this." Haven't had the feeling from almost any other Final Fantasy game. (I actually Liked FFTA a lot, but would totally be on board with FFTA2 being on the list.)
Derek Dellinger 2's leveling system is beyond atrocious and completely ruined the game for me. I hate 2 and 13 equally.
I actually loved Tactics Advance. I never understood why so many people hated it.
MSOGameShow
Because I played the original Tactics.
That...doesn't exactly tell me anything, but I never played the original Tactics.
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Didn't you guys give that an 8.6?
They did indeed. Ironic, ain't it?
HockFin Proprietor +NCfanboy1 Didn't you guys watch the rest of the video? he clearly says "no one in the current staff would defend that". In other words, the person who reviewed it left GT long ago, and everyone who currently works there thinks the game stinks.
Urbanfire123
Then in that case, they should update the score.
Well my fav ff game was XIII and it's sequels. I just love Lightning and the story is badass, the gameplay can be a little weird but I actually liked it.
13 sucks... just my opinion
Dante Leinguard Well yes it's your opinion and I respect it but I can't stand all this hate XIII trilogy gets. This thing really annoys me cause most of them haven't played the game and still they badmouth it. That I can't stand
reason why i think 13 is bad even do i do like 13/2 is the lack of freedom , not able to travel to places like the old ff games is a really big hands down , another thing that got me bored were the characters , is like i didn't give much of a F like i did in ff8 , ff9 , ff 10 oh and of course ff7 . But at the end most ppl like it and others hated it , just like resident evil
Lelouch Lamperouge Played all 3, worst games I've ever finished.
Lelouch Lamperouge I think the only thing that kept me playing FFXIII as long as I did was using Hecatons ult to give Vanille rolling waves of shock induced ecstacy. Oh that and my OCD drove me up the fucking wall trying to collect all the items.... FUCK NOW I CAN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT THE ITEMS I'M MISSING!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHII:BVYTIOFUOYFVYRDRYFVHYUGVYTRDFIYRDFUYLVGBLVUTFIUTDFUYVVTFCTYIVKVVU pbbbbbttttttt
Jesus christ this list is terrible.... XIII gets too much shit for being a game i'm more than positive most shoved hours upon hours into. DoC was actually a bad spinoff, along with X-2. but going with common consensus just to make a video, you should probably just go back and review your taste in games. This needs OPINION written all fucking over it.
You sound like someone who started playing FF games with 13.
Wesley Lecruidant I just used that as a name, I like 6 and 9 more than 7, but 7 looks cooler. But your comment proved my statement.
ff7soldierff7 LMFAO SO you trash 13 yet it was JUST as linear as 9. Go figure
Wesley Lecruidant Actually the map in 9 wasn't that linear, you have at least places to go back, a world map which you can walk around, modify your party, better battle system. Go figue and try a game before you compare it to 13. You have no good comeback so I know enough.
+ff7soldierff7 you can modify party in 13, you also have expanses to walk around. But guess what? Key story areas are LINEAR AS FUCK in 9.nice try. Better luck next time kiddo
When I saw that FFXIII was only number 10, I thought " There must be some pretty awful games out there.
OH MY GOD!! There are 9 FF games that are worse than 13?!!!!
that was difficut yeah
HOW DARE YOU INSULT FINAL FANTASY: MYSTIC QUEST!!
Final Fantasy XIII, "a bad game" ?! Nice joke 😂
And Final Fantasy XIV is pretty good guys... 😑
some one plz punish this video e.e
The people who complain about how the game is mostly linear have never played FFX.
They just don't realize how ALL the Final Fantasy are amazing and better than a big (BIIIG) part of the other games
available on the store... Trying to find the bad points and forget the good ones.
Final Fantasy XIII was the worst thing to come out of Square Enix the company.
It's interesting to see that the FFXIII fans are butthurt over this. I enjoyed Dirge of Cerb. and FFII, heck FFXIV even had it's perks and so did The After Years and All The Bravest. The majority of FFXIII fans haven't played other FF games and if they had they would understand how disappointing the game was as a part of the franchise. That doesn't make it a bad game, it's just not as great as others and this list is listing the worst games out of a stellar franchise. Heck, being the worst in this franchise is still good considering the giants they are up against (FFVII, FFVIII, FFX...)
Would it be any different if, for whatever reason, Final Fantasy VII was placed in this list?
Honey, let me reiterate what I said - Final Fantasy is a great franchise, saying that FF13 is one of the worst is not really a bad thing. It's like having a box of chocolates and saying one of them is one of the worst, but it's chocolate - all chocolate is good. FFVII slays FF13 any day - it had more going for it, a better more organised storyline that was well presented, characters that were fully-fleshed and had personalities. FF13 for many was a let down, it had so much potential, but it wasn't quite getting there.
You say that as fact about FFXIII being inferior to FFVII and for that, I can't find it in me to bother continuing, unfortunately. :/
It is...you just need to play FFVII to understand. All FFXIII has going for it is good graphics. It's a let down, it's not bad, it's a let down.
As a disclaimer I've played every FF game to date. FFXIII was so bad it needed a sequel and a sequel to that to compensate for how poorly it was received.
I have played FFVII. I once adored FFVII, but I also have found many faults with it. It is not a perfect game in my opinion and neither is FFXIII. To compare the two is a stale and boring argument, especially when one states their opinion as fact.
Well I actually really loved FF13 and all of it's sequels. It definitely comes to one of the most legendary games I've ever played. I feel that only the people who grew up with the old final fantasy games are the ones who criticize 13 so much. They are used to the old way it was played and they like the nostalgia - that part is understandable. As for A Realm Reborn well, it's one of the most popular MMOs out there(after some rework) I can't even put my opinion in this one, FF14 is inargueably a great game. Dirge of Cerberus is also pretty cool but I'm not going to make this comment last forever so I'll cut it short. This video was pretty inaccurate. I see other people in the comments also point out some of the other mislabled "bad FF games"
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no actually one of MY most legendary games meaning I as in myself enjoyed that game more than most. The points you made about the game have never bothered me - to the point of that being not noticeable. Thats you're opinion just like I shared mine.
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I wouldn't know about favorite for those types of mmos but the Witcher series would probably be my favorite lore/story telling wise.. Or maybe it's because I'm playing that right now not sure if its worthy of being a favorite.
But I also enjoy the Tales series. I've played every one from Innocence on. Persona is mentionable.. love those games a ton. There is also the Aveyond series(starting with Rhen's Quest) That game is more of a less popular (2D) game though. Aveyond deserves all the hype that all the old(2D) FF games did imo.
Plus i like final fantasy 4 after years and final fantasy 7 dirge of curberece something like that i like those game and the 13
That's actually not as true as you would think. FFXIII was the very first Final Fantasy game that I had ever played and is the one that introduced me to the series. I also hadn't played any old school JRPG's in general so I really wasn't comparing it to anything like that. Yet I still wasn't crazy about it even when I first played it, though that doesn't mean I hated it. Even after playing and enjoying many older FF games since then I still find things to like in XIII (other than the obvious graphics). I did have a lot of fun with the gameplay and battle system and I do feel like the story had a lot of potential.
My problem with the story comes down to it's presentation which we can really blame the directing for. It was all shown in such a backwards way with those 13 day segments, and they weren't even shown in order to make matters worse. The characters I also just felt struggled with proper development and even pacing when development happened. For example Fang having a meltdown quite literally out of the blue just to add character development for her and to get her Eidolen. It was over so quick and seemed very random, things like this just kept happening constantly throughout the game without the proper buildup.
They also do little to explain much of the lore and terminology so I found myself frequently going to the catalog for answers. This should never be necessary in any game, for most people who played it was all very confusing and nonsensical. And as if it couldn't get any worse in it's sequel they through time travel into the mix. Just an all around horrible decision. Time travel is rarely ever pulled off well and they don't have a good track record as it is with it being a mess as well in FFVIII, in my opinion. I was actually very happy with XIII's ending, it made me smile and was one of my favorite things about the game. Then XIII-2 completely discarded it. Lightning Returns I enjoyed for its gameplay and return to towns and npc's. So all in all, story presentation was my big issue with XIII and then just the story in general with the last two. But again I still found some enjoyment in them, mainly the first, and I'm very thankful for it because it introduced me to an amazing series.
People often refer to one of my favorite games, Lost Odyssey, as the real Final Fantasy XIII since they are the only games really like that for the PS3/360 generation. It was actually made by Mistwalker, a company that consists of mostly former Square employees including its founder. The Final Fantasy games are best known for having memorable and very compelling stories and these guys really bring that to the table. Even if you love FFXIII, when looking at it objectively I would think you could see it's short comings with how it showed its story throughout the game and things that could have been done better. I know I might sound a bit harsh but that's just because it frustrates me with how much of a difference the presentation and pacing would have made. It has potential, and there are things to enjoy with the story for those who care to put in the extra work themselves to look a bit deeper. Some characters were also very unappealing to many, namely Vanille and Snow, and I can definitely see why so maybe some reworking on them as well could have gone a long ways. Anyway, all kinds of people like and dislike this game, and there's also others who fall more in between like me.
Nice speech i like your idea my first final fantasy was the 4 and that won is my favorite everbody say that there is the 7 i like the 7 the story everything but mine is alway gonna be the 4 it had the inturlude the after year and the original its alway gonna be my favorite
X-2 should be on the top 10 not 13. Either way, I love both. :D
Agreed. Although I absolutely love love FFX. X-2 shouldn't have existed, it was more of a fanservice for male audience. A poor sequel done by Enix to grab more cash from FFX fans. FFX should have been a stand alone masterpiece.
braveheart20121 I still gave FFX-2 a chance. Actually the battle system is awesome. It has the best ATB system among all Final Fantasies. It's like FF9 with steroids. The sailormoon factor is what I dislike because it's too cheesy for a final fantasy game.
XIII-2 and XIII-3 should be on the list.
Worst FF games ever, along with the online games
X-2 was actually the first FF I've ever played. XD
If it were fanservice for the male audience it wouldn't so wholeheartedly homage such blatantly feminine things as Magical Girl shows and japanese pop music. X-2 is a fantastic game and while there is some fanservice, it's all goodhearted. It's so irritating how people never gets the plethora of things X-2 is referencing and homaging... As a kid who grew up on Sailor Moon and j-pop music videos, X-2 just homages so many things I love.
XIII should not be on this list. It's one of my favorite FF games.