the reason it’s taking GRRM so long to write is for each book he has to write two versions: one for the general public and its companion ‘book ‘that is completely unspoken, composed purely of subtext, and only capable of being translated by Preston reading between the lines.
@@Ζήνων-ζ1ι I didn't mean ASMR as a recording of delicate sounds, I meant as something soothing, I don't know what to call that in English. Preston's voice is very calm and reassuring, that's why I put his videos on to sleep.
@@felipebrandao7296 I totally get what you're saying...I play his old theory videos whenever I'm playing video games so I can concentrate and get my tinfoil on :D
Joshua Hoffman I actually worry that Preston has thought this through better than George!! I’m really worried that George will never give us answers. Has he given any in 5 books? Just more mystery! He keeps adding new characters and plots. Perhaps he has solved some mysteries and I just haven’t heard.
I don't think George plans on simply giving away the answers, because that would negate all the trouble he had concocting these careful narratives that read mostly like harmless expositions with odd, unexpected turns, and yet have in them the necessary elements for you to make the connections and piece the events together. He also probably intentionally makes it so the events could have multiple causes. It seems to me that there is nor will there ever be a definitive answer to them - leaving the intriguing possibilities open forever, which might be more interesting to him as an author of a fantasy drama as it instigates the imagination and leaves you wondering about the story, forever unable to pin down the limits of the narrative he created.
It does seem with that with ADWD the story started spiraling. And casual reader friends of mine usually come straight out in asserting George doesn’t know how he’s ending. In all honesty was prob my first impression also.
One of the little things i like about prestons videos is that he's the only ASOIAF channel that doesnt have the audio levels of a mouse whispering across the room at you
Huh, I'm gonna be honest, I never thought about the drugging of Jon bit, I distinctly remember reading the pages Jon was stabbed, being struck dumb, then instantly trying to remember if I'd even read a mention of Jon stretching his hand, I thought he was clumsy due to his hand growing stiff without stretching, but now the idea he was drunk and half asleep explains more than everything that was strange in the chapter
the stiffness is brought on by the quick blood loss! It's all there in the text, just the previous paragraph; I don't understand the necessity to look elsewhere! GRRM can be specific and precise in very few words; I don't think he's trying to mislead us!
@@snakeguy8646 blade to the neck, much blood through his hand, probably nicked some artery there in the neck!... it's not that I make it up, it's in the text!
@ exactly! being that the neck is a very delicate part of the body and that the arteries pass trough it just under the skin, it's more than likely that Wick's dagger caught him good! If it were only a surface wound the blood wouldn't flow that quickly trough his fingers when he touches the neck! Unfortunately it seems it is truly a bad situation! Anyways, the description of how Jon loses his ability to move quickly is consistent with blood loss; if you ever cut yourself and lost some blood you know that it's true! More consistent to blood loss than being drunk or drugged!...
@@winterthekid Ok, I reread his death because i forgot the first stab was his neck, so yes, it could have been blood loss, but why would Martin stress throughout every book since he was burned that Jon stretched his fingers, then forgets apparently for half the chapter to mention it?
Speaking of spiking wine with sweet sleep a reading of Sansa II in AGOT comes off to me as Joffrey spiking Sansa's wine with sweet sleep but accidentally sending Septa Mordane to sleep (Sansa can't wake her after the feast goes wrong, she drank Septa's glass after Joffrey tried hard to get Sansa to drink it)
@@Bobbybobwat I'd need to reread AGOTs to see if there's any textual evidence. But it doesn't strike me as logistically difficult for a Prince, not least of which it seems to often be perscribed to nobel children when they are having all sorts of problems.
One very minor correction Preston: despite what video games would have us believe, spider webs are not particularly flammable normally. Easily destroyed by flames, yes, but feeding the flames? Not so much. The exception would be that it is possible for dust gathered on old webs, as one would expect cobwebs to have, can be flammable. So you're not necessarily wrong in your conclusion, but in the way you stated the support.
Seriously, the in-depth analysis combined with meticulous research and a dash of rational assumption makes me feel warm inside. Like the Dornish Desert. Deep inside me. The Rogue Prince.
I'm afraid to read the new book (when or IF it ever comes out) without you commentating and telling me what the Author is actually trying to tell me. Seriosly dude, you're insane.
Mustafa Alamer “Fire & Blood: Volume I” is available November 20. It will cover roughly the first 100 years of Targaryen rule in a lot more depth. Preston has already gotten a good amount of material from other prequel novels like the Dunk & Egg novellas, The Rogue Prince, The Princess & The Queen, and The World of Ice & Fire. I’m sure he will get some stuff from F&B as well. I listened to a reading of a pre-released excerpt (read on TH-cam by Rawrist) about good Queen Alysanne. That one small sample has already revealed that dragons either can’t or won’t fly beyond the Wall. Either that or it’s just Alysanne’s dragon, Silverwing, but I highly doubt it.
The Freys were not outnumbered nearly that much at the Red Wedding. Per the wiki, the Bolton and Karstark forces alone equaled the number of Northerners and Rivermen loyal to Robb, and that is before you consider the Freys.
The parallel between Jon's and Robb's death made me think of Ned's death. Jon and Robb had direwolves that they bonded with that were from a pack of pups whose mother was killed by a stag. Now it made me wonder if the father of those pups is still alive. Now granted, the mother wolf is dead to symbolize the Starks being harmed by the stags of Baratheon so the mother wolf isn't that important and the father is not mentioned at all. But still it makes me think maybe in the end Ned's ghost is put to rest if his spirit has become a restless ghost. Symbolically he already is as his spirit is never laid to rest at Winterfell but it makes me wonder if his spirit is also still out there. To make a different point, we all make a big deal about how Robert caused the death of Ned, but we can't exclude the other Baratheon brothers from the equation. It was Stannis' investigation with Jon Arryn that caused Ned to discover the Lannister treachery and it was Renly who suggested the coup (to benefit himself, well his Tyrell allies, I've come to view Renly as the Tyrell's patsy, since the real plotter was Loras). So Ned interacted (directly or indirectly) with all the Baratheons.
Thanks Preston for this amazing theory. A few questions: 1. How does it go with your pink letter theory videos? In those videos you theorize that Mance Rayder sent the pink letter as a signal to Tormund. Mance's plan is to blow the horn of winter and "awaken" all giants to allow a wildling/giant takeover of the wall. (part of the reason why Wun Wun went nuts) So we have two master plans on a collision course? Who do you think has the upper hand in this case, Mance or Bowen? 2. How come Melisandre knows nothing about this? I know she can be imprecise from time to time. But I find it hard to believe that she knows nothing about a red wedding 2.0 happening under her nose.
Mel literally knows this is going to happen. She just doesn't know its this. Her warning to Jon about hard home are actually her seeing this, she just doesn't realise it.
One thing I enjoy about Preston's vids is how he brings to attention multiple conspiracies tend to be Afoot simultaneously in The Song and how those conspiracies can work in concert... or in opposition. Plus that whole "regicide vs assassination" theme that keeps happening. I think, in the chaos of Wun Wun, it would be fairly easy to have Selyse believe that Jon's death was intended for HER and thus set the Queen's Men against the Northmen and Free Folk, in addition to everyone reacting to the attack on Jon by The Watch.
Another parallel I noticed between the stabbing and the red wedding: similar to how Jaime tells Roose Bolton to give his regards to Robb Stark, Tyrion tells Alisser Thorne to give his regards to Jon Snow after dismissing him from the throne room in kings landing in ACOK
One thing I have always enjoyed about your videos and theories, is how you put forward very rational possibilities, but on the other side of the coin, if you do provide something that's more of a 'crackpot' theory, you give evidence as to why it *could* be a possibility, while also acknowledging that it's also not all that rational. I leave most of these videos convinced that this is really what's going to happen, and there are also some instances where I too have made the joke that I'm going to need to put on my tinfoil hat, if the video in particular really is out there, but you never just blindly state that this is fact, or going to happen, that's why I love coming and watching these videos and theorising and looking deeper into the story, it's kinda like we're all just in it together, just waiting for those last two books to see what the hell we were missing, and what we (I say we, you, Preston) noticed and guessed right. Thank you for the videos, man, they really do make my evenings when I get to watch them, with a fresh supply of tinfoil juuust within reach, just in case I need it.
Part 4! How can you possibly have more material. Your ability to absorb, understand and reinterpret information is incredible Preston. Thank you for the videos, really insightful and interesting stuff!
Is there any possibility that Stannis will take the Iron Throne? One reason, Stannis seems more likely than Cersei to not only burn the Sept of Baelor, but not have any outcry against Cersei over it. Another reason, Stannis' lack of heirs, Shireen's poor health, the Florents' or the combination of any those factors would force him to legitimize Robert's bastards paralleling Aegon IV legitimizing his bastards and George did say in an interview that all of Robert's bastards will try to claim the throne. The third reason, Stannis' arc seems to parallel Richard III, an unpopular prince who has his nephew declared bastards, brings order to the North and is killed at the field of battle--Stannis has already done the first two things.
I'd say Stannis getting the throne is unlikely at this point, but he's the underdog right now so I'd say that him taking the North is quite likely. If Stannis dies and the Bolton's keep control of the North, the plot pretty much grinds to a halt. I'm guessing that Stannis will still die though.
@@gerrytol considering the conditions of the Battle of Ice, it's possible that Stannis might die from friendly fire, similar to how Stonewall Jackson died in the Civil War.
I don't think Bowen Marsh has nearly enough fighters to handle a job this big. This is the first time I'm saying this, but Preston, I think you're off base. Stewards are established in our story to be shitty fighters and horse riders. They stand no chance in a fight with Wildlings. Even leaderless ones.
Considering that Jon will likely be resurrected, this could be the point. Marsh overestimating the advantages of the high ground and it ending up being a longer and more even battle. Especially since not all brothers will be in on the conspiracy
It would be really cool that Jon wakes during a fight solves the conflict, but his experiences have made him a changed man, the boy is dead. Jon becomes stricter, harsher and more Machiavellian after this.
Yeah, how many black brothers are willing to mutiny? Half? Less than half? I don't think Marsh has the men How many men could Marsh have feasibily told without it getting back to Jon? Actually, that's a plot hole in the Red Wedding too. All of those Bolton men knew and yet no Stark soldier ever heard about it.
If I recall correctly the Stark forces at the Red Wedding were only 2500 or 3500. It's mentioned in the Catelyn chapter where they start to make their way from Riverrun I think.
Sweet Summer Preston, you rock!! I watched these videos last year and I was just thinking how fresh and new they still seem to me tonight. Thank you for all of your hard work and for utilizing your intellect and thoughtfulness in your theories and videos. I must admit that I absolutely love ASOIAF and GOT TH-cam videos. I am obsessed. Still. You have always been one of the best!! You are always insightful, clever, consistent and entertaining. Thank you for sharing. Mad respect and gratefulness!!
Does anyone remember how much wine Jon had drunk in his first chapter in AGOT? Seems like that would be a good gauge point for how susceptible to wine Jon is
Every time there’s a new vid in the series I watch the whole series all over, not even skipping ads, unless they’re 10min long (sorry, but I have a life)
That was pretty convincing overall. I was just gonna point that the Wun Wun part was a flaw, but if the other part covers it, I'll wait and see. Another thing is that the Shieldhall strikes me as damp and not flammable AT ALL, in spite of the cobwebs (which are not all that flammable as you make them to be).
You’ve convinced me that Jon was drugged. I noticed the prevalence of mulled wine on that chapter but didn’t piece the clues together. Well done sir. Also, GRRMs genius in hiding these details in plain sight so well is why I love these books.
Cantuse more thandeserves the shout out. His Manifesto is possibly the best analysis of a specific character that has been produced. Unfortunately it hasn't been updated in forever due to health issues, to the best of my knowledge, if I'm incorrect about the reason I apologize. Still, it's an amazing body of work that far to few fans are aware of. Do yourself a favor and read the appx 25 essays in order and you will not be disappointed. The link is in the video, enjoy! Kudos to Preston for giving credit where it is deserved, well done!
Fucking hell, I thought our next scene of Castle Black would be a Melisandre chapter overlooking chaos as the Night's Watch, the Wildlings and Stannis soldiers entered a free for all. Now I get the feeling it'll be the aftermath of a massacre. And I have never been more pumped for Jon's resurrection. If he does become a crueler man in a similar manner to Lady Stoneheart, finding out just how in depth his betrayal was could drive him to be extremely vengeful.
When you brought up Mance listening in on Bowen's conversation and Bowen's reaction to it I had a bit of a personal revelation. So I have always believed that Mance wrote the pink letter, but his reasons for doing so did not fully make sense. I am beginning to believe that Mance DID overhear something about Bowen's conspiracy and that the pink letter was written specifically to push Bowen over the edge. I'm sure that everyone else already knew this, but hey, pretty cool nonetheless.
Mind blown. Never paralleled the Red Wedding to this before, and now I wonder how I missed it. This also is helping cement some of my thoughts and theories for the future of the books. :)
I'm sure you've already heard this but silk isn't actually that flammable, compared to other fabrics it's among the most flame resistant. It's like hair, it will burn if you throw it in a already burning fire, but it isn't very combustible. Also spiders web isn't dense enough to work well as tinder for setting fire thick wooden walls. One can argue that GrrM doesn't know this and intends silk to be a big fire hazard, but he does seem to put thought into these things so I don't think so.
So Preston, could this arson be a mirror mass killing of Dany's with the horselords in the show? And could the sweetsleep wine save jons life after the stabbing acting somewhat as an anaisthisia?
@@tulkas42o22 It's not i'm afraid. Abraxas originates from gnostic mythology, so anywhere you find the name is actually a reference to that. I first head it in a childrens book called "The little witch". The little witches raven is called Abraxas. And I love ravens, so I picked it for my yt channel almost 10 years ago and the name stuck.
Abraxas wow, not disappointed because now I can research. A word to the wise though, you should listen to santana abraxas album. It will surprise you, perhaps when your working on content. Much love and Good luck !:)
Just wanted to say that I really enjoyed this analysis. Not sure why this video stood out more than others, recently. Maybe it's due to ideas I hadn't heard before.
A little detail I love about this is the conspirators actually seeming to have a lot of respect for Jon's fighting ability. Jon seems to underrate himself as a fighter. While he does practice basically all the time, he doesn't seem to remark on his ability once he stops using his advanced training to bully new recruits, choosing to train and befriend them instead. The only time we really get a serious measurement of just how good Jon's gotten is when he spars with another reputable fighter in the watch, and Jon absolutely obliterates him, as his mind wanders and he gets angry. Others had to intervene to get Jon to stop despite his opponent yielding. And even assuming Jon was actually drugged, if I remember right the first man to attempt to stab Jon gets stopped easily. Jon grabs his wrist and to intercept. It's only because there were so many assailants that he was taken down. It makes you wonder if they would have had any chance against him if he was sober. Let alone what would have happened if Ghost had been with him. Grey Wind fought in full pitched battles all the time, and Robb even regretted bringing his direwolf into battle because Grey Wind had lost all fear of men, meaning Robb was the only one who could even somewhat control him. Ghost is the most battle seasoned direwolf remaining in the story, and if Grey Wind is any indication, unless you've got a spear or you've got some distance with a bow or crossbow, Ghost is pretty much unstoppable.
I always noticed something though...In the Shield hall, Tormund blows a horn, then soon after is when WunWun is freaking out and Jon gets stabbed. Is something going on there? Is that the one that wakes the sleepers, and involved with a possible Tormund conspiracy, at the same time Yarwick is making HIS move as well?
This is very impressive. How many times did you read the books to get to this level of detail of comparison? I must say I am enamored with your videos. One of the best GOT analysis videos on the net.
Was the red wedding a weaker force taking out a stronger one? Wasn’t it 4000 Freys against Robb’s 3500. Also can’t remember if the Bolton 4000-odd also attacked but I think so as I remember Cat thinking they’re reinforcements.
At the red wedding the Boltons and Freys did outnumber the other northern forces. It's says in ASOS that only about 3500 of Robb's forces tfrom the whispering wood remain, and Bolton killed off almost all the other northern forces that were with him in the riverlands. The starks were outnumbered about 2 to 1. The idea of a handful of stewards overwhelming hundreds of battle-hardened wildlings and queensmen isn't comparable. And wouldn't the wildlings have left the hall with Jon to see wun wun?
Why would Aemon have sweetsleep? It seems rather hard to get a hold of, and the Wall is really out of the way. The Eyrie is the seat of a major lord, so it makes sense that it would have a well-stocked Maester, but why would Aemon have it if Milk of the Poppy is fine for most uses anyway?
It would be pretty badass if that the burning of the Wildling leaders is actually the sacrifice needed to bring Jon back mid battle and he basically becomes the Terminator.
So is the comparison of Robb and Jon saying their direwolves' names when they die used as a callback from the stabbing to the Red Wedding? Or is it something more? If it's more, then Robb and Jon have the same initial fate - warging into their companions. Robb is extinguished when Grey Wind is put down, but Ghost is still a wild card and is very much alive. With the similarities, what does the future have in store? A Red Wedding repeat or a subversion of that expectation? Logistically I can't imagine the storyline at the Wall simply finished, but I suppose there was a similar feeling at the Twins? Also, can someone warg when they're drugged/drunk like that? The show needs to end already so GRRM can release the next book already lol
More I read the Melisandre chapter, more I feel like Alf of Runnymudd was really shattered when he got the news that his friend's head was found. So much, Jon commands to give him mulled wine and put to bed. Maybe they were more than just friends? That would certainly make Alf of Runnymudd hate Jon. That would also nullify the fact that he converted to the faith of R'hllor.
Arrows from the stairs? Weren't they destroyed (burned or partially burned) during the wildling attack as a trap? They still could fire arrows down from the wall but with that distance and wind, they are not likely to hit anything with aim.
Deeper Marsh in 2 years
After Cersei gets tired of the Myrish Swamp she's coming for that Deeper Marsh.
LOL
Howland Reed probably has a letter and everything.
the reason it’s taking GRRM so long to write is for each book he has to write two versions: one for the general public and its companion ‘book ‘that is completely unspoken, composed purely of subtext, and only capable of being translated by Preston reading between the lines.
It's over Jon, Bowen Marsh has the high ground!
You underestimate his power.
He shouldn't try it.
This comment surpasses all TH-cam comments I’ve ever read. You win TH-cam
But Jon has the MORAL high ground!
Preston has so much content that he can make in jokes just by using a backdrop and a jingle fragment 😂 Bowen Marsh's Masterplan lol
For house summerchild!!!
@@zacrusk5274 The Queen In the North!
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Was I the only one who lost their shit with the whole Bowen's master plan thing? Idk why, but I found it freaking hilarious
I love how he used the dornish master plan soundtrack:D
I used to play the Dornish Masterplan playlist as ASMR when I went to sleep, so the fanfare is quite soothing for me
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How is that ASMR? You people be crazy
@@Ζήνων-ζ1ι I didn't mean ASMR as a recording of delicate sounds, I meant as something soothing, I don't know what to call that in English. Preston's voice is very calm and reassuring, that's why I put his videos on to sleep.
@@felipebrandao7296 I totally get what you're saying...I play his old theory videos whenever I'm playing video games so I can concentrate and get my tinfoil on :D
George can’t finish twow bc he has to keep changing it to stay ahead of Preston
Joshua Hoffman I actually worry that Preston has thought this through better than George!! I’m really worried that George will never give us answers. Has he given any in 5 books? Just more mystery! He keeps adding new characters and plots. Perhaps he has solved some mysteries and I just haven’t heard.
I don't think George plans on simply giving away the answers, because that would negate all the trouble he had concocting these careful narratives that read mostly like harmless expositions with odd, unexpected turns, and yet have in them the necessary elements for you to make the connections and piece the events together.
He also probably intentionally makes it so the events could have multiple causes. It seems to me that there is nor will there ever be a definitive answer to them - leaving the intriguing possibilities open forever, which might be more interesting to him as an author of a fantasy drama as it instigates the imagination and leaves you wondering about the story, forever unable to pin down the limits of the narrative he created.
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He seems to have given us a very lame solution to the Catspaw mystery.
@@alanpennie8013 seems
It does seem with that with ADWD the story started spiraling. And casual reader friends of mine usually come straight out in asserting George doesn’t know how he’s ending. In all honesty was prob my first impression also.
One of the little things i like about prestons videos is that he's the only ASOIAF channel that doesnt have the audio levels of a mouse whispering across the room at you
Or the same shitty loud music dramatica playing in the background
@@nuclearjanitors That loop! Yes, It drives me crazy and distracts me from the content.
Agreed!
@@prof.cecilycogsworth3204 its always the same lilting arrangement of the GoT theme.
Huh, I'm gonna be honest, I never thought about the drugging of Jon bit, I distinctly remember reading the pages Jon was stabbed, being struck dumb, then instantly trying to remember if I'd even read a mention of Jon stretching his hand, I thought he was clumsy due to his hand growing stiff without stretching, but now the idea he was drunk and half asleep explains more than everything that was strange in the chapter
the stiffness is brought on by the quick blood loss! It's all there in the text, just the previous paragraph; I don't understand the necessity to look elsewhere! GRRM can be specific and precise in very few words; I don't think he's trying to mislead us!
@@winterthekid But Jon reached for his blade right after the first stab though, so he couldn't have bled that much that quickly
@@snakeguy8646 blade to the neck, much blood through his hand, probably nicked some artery there in the neck!... it's not that I make it up, it's in the text!
@ exactly! being that the neck is a very delicate part of the body and that the arteries pass trough it just under the skin, it's more than likely that Wick's dagger caught him good!
If it were only a surface wound the blood wouldn't flow that quickly trough his fingers when he touches the neck! Unfortunately it seems it is truly a bad situation!
Anyways, the description of how Jon loses his ability to move quickly is consistent with blood loss; if you ever cut yourself and lost some blood you know that it's true!
More consistent to blood loss than being drunk or drugged!...
@@winterthekid Ok, I reread his death because i forgot the first stab was his neck, so yes, it could have been blood loss, but why would Martin stress throughout every book since he was burned that Jon stretched his fingers, then forgets apparently for half the chapter to mention it?
It's over Jon! I have the high ground!
You underestimate my plot armor!
You were the lord commander!
You were supposed to destroy the wildlings not join them!
though jon's earlier fear of it does make 'Wun Wun der'
A skilled Punster we have
Very nice.
Speaking of spiking wine with sweet sleep a reading of Sansa II in AGOT comes off to me as Joffrey spiking Sansa's wine with sweet sleep but accidentally sending Septa Mordane to sleep (Sansa can't wake her after the feast goes wrong, she drank Septa's glass after Joffrey tried hard to get Sansa to drink it)
Nicely spotted! Old Lady took them roofies like a champ.
that is a great catch
Where would Joffrey get sweet sleep?
@@Bobbybobwat I'd need to reread AGOTs to see if there's any textual evidence.
But it doesn't strike me as logistically difficult for a Prince, not least of which it seems to often be perscribed to nobel children when they are having all sorts of problems.
One very minor correction Preston: despite what video games would have us believe, spider webs are not particularly flammable normally. Easily destroyed by flames, yes, but feeding the flames? Not so much. The exception would be that it is possible for dust gathered on old webs, as one would expect cobwebs to have, can be flammable. So you're not necessarily wrong in your conclusion, but in the way you stated the support.
Jallorn Lies. I can tell you from personal experience those motherfuckers go up like kindling.
So you're telling me Bowen Marsh is a big fan of Obi Wan?
Maknirak Obvious but Delightful
Or Stevie Wonder
He underestimates Jon's power
It's over Jon Snow.
I have the high ground!
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
A great fire at a magical Wall, that cries salty tears, seems to be a good place for someone to be reborn 😜
9:21 We don’t have any evidence of Wun Wun being drunk though Jon’s early fear of it does make WUN WUNder! Sorry I had to 😬 okay I’ll leave now... lol
Seriously, the in-depth analysis combined with meticulous research and a dash of rational assumption makes me feel warm inside. Like the Dornish Desert. Deep inside me. The Rogue Prince.
I'm afraid to read the new book (when or IF it ever comes out) without you commentating and telling me what the Author is actually trying to tell me. Seriosly dude, you're insane.
Agreed
Real reason why we want new book.....
A) Actual Story
B) Preston will have more content
Dragonnsv '
Preston will be getting some new material in about a week. I’m just as excited about that fact as I am for the book 🤗
shananika what new material?
Mustafa Alamer
“Fire & Blood: Volume I” is available November 20. It will cover roughly the first 100 years of Targaryen rule in a lot more depth. Preston has already gotten a good amount of material from other prequel novels like the Dunk & Egg novellas, The Rogue Prince, The Princess & The Queen, and The World of Ice & Fire. I’m sure he will get some stuff from F&B as well.
I listened to a reading of a pre-released excerpt (read on TH-cam by Rawrist) about good Queen Alysanne. That one small sample has already revealed that dragons either can’t or won’t fly beyond the Wall. Either that or it’s just Alysanne’s dragon, Silverwing, but I highly doubt it.
The Freys were not outnumbered nearly that much at the Red Wedding. Per the wiki, the Bolton and Karstark forces alone equaled the number of Northerners and Rivermen loyal to Robb, and that is before you consider the Freys.
The parallel between Jon's and Robb's death made me think of Ned's death. Jon and Robb had direwolves that they bonded with that were from a pack of pups whose mother was killed by a stag. Now it made me wonder if the father of those pups is still alive. Now granted, the mother wolf is dead to symbolize the Starks being harmed by the stags of Baratheon so the mother wolf isn't that important and the father is not mentioned at all. But still it makes me think maybe in the end Ned's ghost is put to rest if his spirit has become a restless ghost. Symbolically he already is as his spirit is never laid to rest at Winterfell but it makes me wonder if his spirit is also still out there.
To make a different point, we all make a big deal about how Robert caused the death of Ned, but we can't exclude the other Baratheon brothers from the equation. It was Stannis' investigation with Jon Arryn that caused Ned to discover the Lannister treachery and it was Renly who suggested the coup (to benefit himself, well his Tyrell allies, I've come to view Renly as the Tyrell's patsy, since the real plotter was Loras). So Ned interacted (directly or indirectly) with all the Baratheons.
Thanks Preston for this amazing theory.
A few questions:
1. How does it go with your pink letter theory videos? In those videos you theorize that Mance Rayder sent the pink letter as a signal to Tormund. Mance's plan is to blow the horn of winter and "awaken" all giants to allow a wildling/giant takeover of the wall. (part of the reason why Wun Wun went nuts) So we have two master plans on a collision course? Who do you think has the upper hand in this case, Mance or Bowen?
2. How come Melisandre knows nothing about this? I know she can be imprecise from time to time. But I find it hard to believe that she knows nothing about a red wedding 2.0 happening under her nose.
Concerning Melisandre, my bet would be that she wants Jon to die. You cannot be sacrificed a la Drogo without dying.
The only thing Mel can accurately predict is danger to her person. Everything else, is pieces. Also, Mel did speak of Jon being surrounded by skulls.
Mel literally knows this is going to happen. She just doesn't know its this. Her warning to Jon about hard home are actually her seeing this, she just doesn't realise it.
One thing I enjoy about Preston's vids is how he brings to attention multiple conspiracies tend to be Afoot simultaneously in The Song and how those conspiracies can work in concert... or in opposition.
Plus that whole "regicide vs assassination" theme that keeps happening. I think, in the chaos of Wun Wun, it would be fairly easy to have Selyse believe that Jon's death was intended for HER and thus set the Queen's Men against the Northmen and Free Folk, in addition to everyone reacting to the attack on Jon by The Watch.
*Bowen Marsh* : Its over Jon. I have the high ground
Preston King, Preston King
Another parallel I noticed between the stabbing and the red wedding: similar to how Jaime tells Roose Bolton to give his regards to Robb Stark, Tyrion tells Alisser Thorne to give his regards to Jon Snow after dismissing him from the throne room in kings landing in ACOK
One thing I have always enjoyed about your videos and theories, is how you put forward very rational possibilities, but on the other side of the coin, if you do provide something that's more of a 'crackpot' theory, you give evidence as to why it *could* be a possibility, while also acknowledging that it's also not all that rational. I leave most of these videos convinced that this is really what's going to happen, and there are also some instances where I too have made the joke that I'm going to need to put on my tinfoil hat, if the video in particular really is out there, but you never just blindly state that this is fact, or going to happen, that's why I love coming and watching these videos and theorising and looking deeper into the story, it's kinda like we're all just in it together, just waiting for those last two books to see what the hell we were missing, and what we (I say we, you, Preston) noticed and guessed right. Thank you for the videos, man, they really do make my evenings when I get to watch them, with a fresh supply of tinfoil juuust within reach, just in case I need it.
Anyone else groove to that sweet intro every time
Part 4! How can you possibly have more material. Your ability to absorb, understand and reinterpret information is incredible Preston. Thank you for the videos, really insightful and interesting stuff!
"Bowen Marsh's Master Plan" hahaha I like it.This is going to become your next big thing on youtube, I can tell already
A PJ video on my birthday, ohhhhhh goodie!
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Is there any possibility that Stannis will take the Iron Throne? One reason, Stannis seems more likely than Cersei to not only burn the Sept of Baelor, but not have any outcry against Cersei over it. Another reason, Stannis' lack of heirs, Shireen's poor health, the Florents' or the combination of any those factors would force him to legitimize Robert's bastards paralleling Aegon IV legitimizing his bastards and George did say in an interview that all of Robert's bastards will try to claim the throne. The third reason, Stannis' arc seems to parallel Richard III, an unpopular prince who has his nephew declared bastards, brings order to the North and is killed at the field of battle--Stannis has already done the first two things.
I'd say Stannis getting the throne is unlikely at this point, but he's the underdog right now so I'd say that him taking the North is quite likely. If Stannis dies and the Bolton's keep control of the North, the plot pretty much grinds to a halt. I'm guessing that Stannis will still die though.
Stannis should be Danny’s hand
@@gerrytol considering the conditions of the Battle of Ice, it's possible that Stannis might die from friendly fire, similar to how Stonewall Jackson died in the Civil War.
Any source on George saying that Robert's bastards will try to claim the throne?
@@Ζήνων-ζ1ι I believe Edric Storm may be the biggest threat in that area, but I see him possibly ruling the Stormlands instead.
I don't think Bowen Marsh has nearly enough fighters to handle a job this big. This is the first time I'm saying this, but Preston, I think you're off base. Stewards are established in our story to be shitty fighters and horse riders. They stand no chance in a fight with Wildlings. Even leaderless ones.
But they have the high ground? 😈
Considering that Jon will likely be resurrected, this could be the point. Marsh overestimating the advantages of the high ground and it ending up being a longer and more even battle. Especially since not all brothers will be in on the conspiracy
It would be really cool that Jon wakes during a fight solves the conflict, but his experiences have made him a changed man, the boy is dead. Jon becomes stricter, harsher and more Machiavellian after this.
Yeah, how many black brothers are willing to mutiny? Half? Less than half? I don't think Marsh has the men
How many men could Marsh have feasibily told without it getting back to Jon? Actually, that's a plot hole in the Red Wedding too. All of those Bolton men knew and yet no Stark soldier ever heard about it.
Never clicked on a video so fast before
What kind o dog is that
@@marlonhendry5954 Weighton terrier poodle mix
Preston you magnanimous precious bastard!!!! In these hard times your voice is a waterfall
If I recall correctly the Stark forces at the Red Wedding were only 2500 or 3500. It's mentioned in the Catelyn chapter where they start to make their way from Riverrun I think.
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It's over Wildlings, we have the Highground.
I love the parallel with the red wedding!!!
I have completely alienated myself from all of my friends ASOIF/GOT discussion circle thanks to your vids. Keep it up, brother.
Nevermind, in Preston we trust.
@@mozart7820 indeed we do all hail Preston
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Sweet Summer Preston, you rock!! I watched these videos last year and I was just thinking how fresh and new they still seem to me tonight. Thank you for all of your hard work and for utilizing your intellect and thoughtfulness in your theories and videos. I must admit that I absolutely love ASOIAF and GOT TH-cam videos. I am obsessed. Still. You have always been one of the best!! You are always insightful, clever, consistent and entertaining. Thank you for sharing. Mad respect and gratefulness!!
Despite all of it, this still sounds like a pretty insane plan to me
Does anyone remember how much wine Jon had drunk in his first chapter in AGOT? Seems like that would be a good gauge point for how susceptible to wine Jon is
Every time there’s a new vid in the series I watch the whole series all over, not even skipping ads, unless they’re 10min long (sorry, but I have a life)
That was pretty convincing overall. I was just gonna point that the Wun Wun part was a flaw, but if the other part covers it, I'll wait and see. Another thing is that the Shieldhall strikes me as damp and not flammable AT ALL, in spite of the cobwebs (which are not all that flammable as you make them to be).
You’ve convinced me that Jon was drugged. I noticed the prevalence of mulled wine on that chapter but didn’t piece the clues together.
Well done sir. Also, GRRMs genius in hiding these details in plain sight so well is why I love these books.
Makes you start to think Bowen Marsh should be considered as a author of the pink letter
I was just thinking about it while watching this video. It would make a LOT of sense
What about the letter asking for Reek though? Theoretically none of the NW should have any idea what that means, let alone include it
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Shit, you're right
Is there any way Marsh could know about Reek?
Master PLAAAAAN !!
This theme is awe
May love fall on you Preston.
Preston is his own parody I love itt
you my friend are a hero. your videos are so well thought out and insightful! thanks for all the hard work
Preston has been keeping my interest in asoiaf alive
came faster than euron
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faster than Cersei with Euron's finger in her bum
I don't get it
Wait isn't his brother the one who hold it in ?
Oof
this is actually quite brilliant, preston
This feels like your most robust theory in a long while XD good on ya mate. Got me freaking out XD
Cantuse more thandeserves the shout out. His Manifesto is possibly the best analysis of a specific character that has been produced. Unfortunately it hasn't been updated in forever due to health issues, to the best of my knowledge, if I'm incorrect about the reason I apologize. Still, it's an amazing body of work that far to few fans are aware of. Do yourself a favor and read the appx 25 essays in order and you will not be disappointed. The link is in the video, enjoy! Kudos to Preston for giving credit where it is deserved, well done!
The comparison with the RW was brutal and brilliant!
You had me at 'Bowen Marsh's Master Plan'.
Thank you Sir Preston
Fucking hell, I thought our next scene of Castle Black would be a Melisandre chapter overlooking chaos as the Night's Watch, the Wildlings and Stannis soldiers entered a free for all. Now I get the feeling it'll be the aftermath of a massacre. And I have never been more pumped for Jon's resurrection. If he does become a crueler man in a similar manner to Lady Stoneheart, finding out just how in depth his betrayal was could drive him to be extremely vengeful.
Preston, thank you for the distraction. I needed it.
I think this is your best work yet.
I love your subtle sense of humor! XD
When you brought up Mance listening in on Bowen's conversation and Bowen's reaction to it I had a bit of a personal revelation. So I have always believed that Mance wrote the pink letter, but his reasons for doing so did not fully make sense. I am beginning to believe that Mance DID overhear something about Bowen's conspiracy and that the pink letter was written specifically to push Bowen over the edge. I'm sure that everyone else already knew this, but hey, pretty cool nonetheless.
Mind blown. Never paralleled the Red Wedding to this before, and now I wonder how I missed it. This also is helping cement some of my thoughts and theories for the future of the books. :)
Superb man. You nailed it.
I'm sure you've already heard this but silk isn't actually that flammable, compared to other fabrics it's among the most flame resistant. It's like hair, it will burn if you throw it in a already burning fire, but it isn't very combustible. Also spiders web isn't dense enough to work well as tinder for setting fire thick wooden walls.
One can argue that GrrM doesn't know this and intends silk to be a big fire hazard, but he does seem to put thought into these things so I don't think so.
So Preston, could this arson be a mirror mass killing of Dany's with the horselords in the show? And could the sweetsleep wine save jons life after the stabbing acting somewhat as an anaisthisia?
The downside of being early;
you have to wait for actually substantiated comments to show up.
Did Preston make a better case for Sweetsleep than I did?
@@joshwalker8243 You did make a great case before. Preston just pushed me to full agreement with the textual evidence.
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@@tulkas42o22 It's not i'm afraid.
Abraxas originates from gnostic mythology, so anywhere you find the name is actually a reference to that.
I first head it in a childrens book called "The little witch". The little witches raven is called Abraxas. And I love ravens, so I picked it for my yt channel almost 10 years ago and the name stuck.
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Just wanted to say that I really enjoyed this analysis. Not sure why this video stood out more than others, recently. Maybe it's due to ideas I hadn't heard before.
A little detail I love about this is the conspirators actually seeming to have a lot of respect for Jon's fighting ability. Jon seems to underrate himself as a fighter. While he does practice basically all the time, he doesn't seem to remark on his ability once he stops using his advanced training to bully new recruits, choosing to train and befriend them instead. The only time we really get a serious measurement of just how good Jon's gotten is when he spars with another reputable fighter in the watch, and Jon absolutely obliterates him, as his mind wanders and he gets angry. Others had to intervene to get Jon to stop despite his opponent yielding.
And even assuming Jon was actually drugged, if I remember right the first man to attempt to stab Jon gets stopped easily. Jon grabs his wrist and to intercept. It's only because there were so many assailants that he was taken down. It makes you wonder if they would have had any chance against him if he was sober. Let alone what would have happened if Ghost had been with him. Grey Wind fought in full pitched battles all the time, and Robb even regretted bringing his direwolf into battle because Grey Wind had lost all fear of men, meaning Robb was the only one who could even somewhat control him. Ghost is the most battle seasoned direwolf remaining in the story, and if Grey Wind is any indication, unless you've got a spear or you've got some distance with a bow or crossbow, Ghost is pretty much unstoppable.
Ohhhhhh! This Tuesday night just got bumpin!
Im bored sitting in a hotel room and BOOM a preston vid.....nice...
PJ, I'm at work.... this is dangerous.
I always noticed something though...In the Shield hall, Tormund blows a horn, then soon after is when WunWun is freaking out and Jon gets stabbed. Is something going on there? Is that the one that wakes the sleepers, and involved with a possible Tormund conspiracy, at the same time Yarwick is making HIS move as well?
Well...RIP no nut November
Preston you are a genius!
The shield hal! Is made of stone. It would not burn as effectively as tents, but the roof could be set aflame I suppose
This is very impressive. How many times did you read the books to get to this level of detail of comparison? I must say I am enamored with your videos. One of the best GOT analysis videos on the net.
I love Preston refering himself
Great stuff as always
Brilliant.
I love your self deprecating humour.... are you sure you arent Australian??
If that's the plan, Ghost's presence at the armory seems like a weakness, knowing what we think.
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*takes massive bong rip*
Was the red wedding a weaker force taking out a stronger one? Wasn’t it 4000 Freys against Robb’s 3500. Also can’t remember if the Bolton 4000-odd also attacked but I think so as I remember Cat thinking they’re reinforcements.
One of your most supprising videos.
God damn it, I wasn't expecting that Dornish Master Plan ref. Caught me off guard.
At the red wedding the Boltons and Freys did outnumber the other northern forces. It's says in ASOS that only about 3500 of Robb's forces tfrom the whispering wood remain, and Bolton killed off almost all the other northern forces that were with him in the riverlands. The starks were outnumbered about 2 to 1. The idea of a handful of stewards overwhelming hundreds of battle-hardened wildlings and queensmen isn't comparable. And wouldn't the wildlings have left the hall with Jon to see wun wun?
Cantuse is always worth attending to on Northern affairs.
Clumsy, brave and reckless. Jon isn't necessarily doped, just behaving like a Stark.
Why would Aemon have sweetsleep? It seems rather hard to get a hold of, and the Wall is really out of the way. The Eyrie is the seat of a major lord, so it makes sense that it would have a well-stocked Maester, but why would Aemon have it if Milk of the Poppy is fine for most uses anyway?
"Far fewer" Stannis is proud.
It would be pretty badass if that the burning of the Wildling leaders is actually the sacrifice needed to bring Jon back mid battle and he basically becomes the Terminator.
So is the comparison of Robb and Jon saying their direwolves' names when they die used as a callback from the stabbing to the Red Wedding? Or is it something more? If it's more, then Robb and Jon have the same initial fate - warging into their companions. Robb is extinguished when Grey Wind is put down, but Ghost is still a wild card and is very much alive.
With the similarities, what does the future have in store? A Red Wedding repeat or a subversion of that expectation? Logistically I can't imagine the storyline at the Wall simply finished, but I suppose there was a similar feeling at the Twins?
Also, can someone warg when they're drugged/drunk like that? The show needs to end already so GRRM can release the next book already lol
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It can't play out exactly the same way since Ghost won't die. Maybe it's Mel to the rescue.
Getting your opponents pissed, always a good plAn
@9:26 "John's fear of it does make one wonder"
I see what you did there Preston... one wonder=WunWun
More I read the Melisandre chapter, more I feel like Alf of Runnymudd was really shattered when he got the news that his friend's head was found. So much, Jon commands to give him mulled wine and put to bed. Maybe they were more than just friends? That would certainly make Alf of Runnymudd hate Jon. That would also nullify the fact that he converted to the faith of R'hllor.
Arrows from the stairs? Weren't they destroyed (burned or partially burned) during the wildling attack as a trap? They still could fire arrows down from the wall but with that distance and wind, they are not likely to hit anything with aim.
Weren't they repairing the stairs?
@@kaleomungin Could be, it's been a while since I read it. Not sure.
Maybe you should complete the sixth book and release it...
I’m at 6 minuets in and all I can think of is that Jon is doing a Rasputin and not dying when he should be
9:25
Haha "... does make wun wunder."
Going on record here an now, WOW is never going to be finished.
I thought the assassination was bad enough, but I never considered an all this time the idea of a red wedding esque battle.