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A girl from Northern Ireland joined my class at school( 1972 , I was in 6th class). One day there was a loud bang heard suddenly from outside( it turned out to be a balloon bursting). We looked around and Mary had dived under her school desk and had her hands over her head). Our first experience of PTSD , , in an 11 year old).
well, in the USA in 2023 every student would be diving under their desks assuming it's a random American with a bunch of guns hoping to set a new high score.
We all suffered as kids but no UK candlight prayers we had to get on with it. In military Berlin my parents over for a visit.. Just about to go into a bank a car backfired my mom had automatically slung herself to the ground..
Buddy I love how you reacted to that post. There were many more bombings and shootings. There was at least a bombing or shooting every day. Most people call it “The troubles” but really it was a war zone being fought using guerrilla warefare. They were dark days and thankfully most people have moved in the direction of peace.
About the 3,500 dead - the population of Northern Ireland is about 1.5 million. If we scaled this up to the population of the USA of about 300 million, it would be 700,000 dead. Over 30 years that would work out to an average of about 23,333 deaths per year, or 64 deaths per day. To look at it another way, it would be about the death toll of 9/11 every seven weeks. Imagine America suffering a 9/11 every 7 weeks for 30 years.
As someone from Northern Ireland, 'born & reared' & still here, can I just add some info too... Sorry it's a long comment, but needed to say all of it...
I feel the name given to this time was to downplay it to begin with, so 1 side could show how unaffected they were by anything the other side done, (all sides showing this btw), but it was the innocent people that were suffering from it all. People need to realise the "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland were not just protests & riots or civil unrest, it was a full blown civil war, that continued for over 30yrs & 3500 INNOCENT people, died as a result of bombs, shootings, beatings' etc. The whole situation started in 1916, when Ireland was split in two...the North remaining part of the UK, while the South was 'given' back to the Irish. Britain wanted to stay in control & rule at least part of Ireland, whereas Ireland wanted the whole country to be free from English rule.
People were 'taken' by the opposite side to be interrogated, most didn't come back & even now their bodies have never been recovered. Young children were recruited by the paramilitaries on both sides too 'join & fight for the cause', whole families got brought in too...they would get into people's heads by claiming it was the right thing, the only thing to do... women involved would use a baby in a pram, to get bombs passed the checks into shops, public transport etc in town/cities. Everyone was stopped & had any bags checked through, just like at an airport customs check...shops banned baby's prams/strollers etc from going in... Towns/cities had barriers to close off them off in the evenings, so vehicles couldn't get in...There were certain areas that we couldn't go into because of fear of attacks, even as kids. Bomb threats & beatings' were common, as was a huge presence of police & army walking/driving around in full body armour & semi-automatic rifles etc.
My Mum is a local girl from outside Belfast, my Dad was in the British army at the time(now retired). I've lived in Northern Ireland my whole life, right through the 80s-90s. We would fill the bath with water every night & put several towels in it, just incase our home was 'petrol bombed' (set on fire with a Molotov Cocktail) overnight. The towels were to place over our heads & hold over our mouths & noses, so we could breathe through the smoke, so we could get out of the house. My Dad was told by British army to change his name when he arrived, he had to use his middle name instead, as British army said his 1st name would cause 'issue' with each side in the conflict ...
At the start the British army were brought in to help be neutral & to keep peace between both sides, but it soon became a 3way war - with Catholics fighting Protestants/Protestants fighting Catholics & both fighting British army independently of each other as they said the British were protecting the opposite side... Everyday was the same, more anger, more hatred, more fighting. I guess, like many on here, as I was born during it(in 1979), I grew up through it & knew no different, that it was just normal, everyday life here. Now there's been 'peace' for a while, when we look back, we can see just how bad it was. I was sheltered from alot of it, due to where I lived & my family making sure we didn't get pulled in by paramilitary groups. I had a large family with lots of cousins, so we really just played/hung a round in family groups, away from other kids. I had a rough childhood, in a war-torn country, but it was still a fun-filled childhood with lots of love & laughter, running about, playing our silly innocent kid games outside... just as long as we stayed within shouting distance from our home & our parents knew where we were & who we were with at all times.
U should check out the music video for The Cranberries song "Zombie", it has actual clips of what life was like here, in the early/mid 90s. The song/video was banned for several years as it was deemed too controversial, but that was the whole point the band was making, that this fighting on both sides had to stop.
A thing to remember as well is that the population was only about 1.5m. 50k were injured in addition to those who died so about 1/30 of the population.
If a foreign power invaded your country no matter how long ago. Is it right for the people in the invaded country to fight that invasion?
I was born in 1993 too, bomb scares were a normal part of my childhood. In 1998, my family and I were on our way to Omagh to go shopping, but we turned back as I got sick, that was the day of the Omagh Bombing.
12:42 - The bombing happened in my hometown of Enniskillen in 1987, a year later my great uncle and his cousin were gunned down on his way home from work by IRA. It was the day he retired.
I remember whenever the Sinn Féin leader, Gerry Adams, was ever on the news his voice was dubbed over.
And money, America has British blood on its hands.
@@neilgayleard3842 cope
At 12:40 those 4 symbols are the 4 flags of the Irish provinces
You should watch ‘Derry Girls’, a comedy set against the background of the Troubles and ‘Belfast’, Kenneth Branagh’s semi-autobiographical film, again set during the Troubles. Both give a human feel to what was happening in Northern Ireland. I was at university in London in the early 1970s, heard bombs going off and saw - from a safe distance - one explode at Euston Station.
Brannah lived in England from 4 yrs old
To answer you're question "how did they no?.. remember society is very different. The area your from, school you went, your name (Catholics people often have Irish names). If your been interrogated it would be nearly impossible to hide what side your from.
Infact people in NI still often have a subtle process to discerning what side a person in from when they first meet. To an outside the questions might sound innocent, but to to use its a feeling out process.
Yeah Thatcher wasn't popular in the north of England, I live in a coal mining area, and let's just say they held street partys when she died.
Sick people
@@TheBobbyel it was mainly in the mining communitys that were overjoyed by her passing. Her and her government single handedly managed to decimate the area's coal mining, industry meaning we were relient on foreign imports by 2015.
I don't know how old you are. I am 76, from Manchester. I lived it. For your information, and I suggest you learn, the Labour governments prior the Thatcher closed far more pits than she did.
@@TheBobbyel I was born in 76. She basically hammered the nails into the NCB coffin lid though. Growing up in the 80s there were 5 collieries within the Rotherham area, by 1994 there was only one left, all the pits that closed in this area were closed during the conservative government,with the final one, Maltby Main, closing in 2013. I grew up near Maltby and went to school there, and lived up the road from Silverwood colliery, so I know what effect the strikes and the closures had on the community.
The song from the Wizard of Oz "Ding dong the witch is dead" went to no 1 in the charts the week she died.
When Margaret Thatcher died, "Ding Dong the witch is dead" (from the Wizard of Oz) made it into the top 10 in the UK charts.
Remember her stopping
free milk for schoolkids?
"Maggie Thatcher, Milk Snatcher" 🥛
Don't think there was ever as many Strikes as when she was PM.
She left 10 men to die on Hunger Strike rather than even attempt to negotiate.
There's even a Kebab Shop in Tehran in Iran named after "Bobby Sands" because he was the first, and most well known Hunger Striker.
Most locals probably know nothing about Ireland or our history.
But he gets a restaurant named after him for standing up to the British Powers and giving his life in the process.
She also knew about the innocent Irish people sitting in prison for Bombings they didn't do. Plus their extended families. Almost 20 on total.
The Birmingham 6 were all Innocent.
And the Guildford 4 too.
Plus everyone locked up alongside them.
Daniel Day Lewis as Gerry Conlon "In The Name Of The Father" is one of his best performances
She was a fcuking monster. Watching her and the hubby walking out, covered in rubble and dust after surviving the IRA bomb was satisfying.
In fairness, it wasn't as if she was gonna die in the explosion.
How could you kill the Devil itself?
Sure she Outranked Death.
Don't think anyone expected that house to fall on her, her feet to roll up like that.
Tbh Dorothy, Toto and the entire Lollipop Guild deserved medals that day. 🍭
That was the first time I ever heard the chant
"Maggie's in a box, in a box, Maggie's in a box" 🎉
I remember years ago, when I was little, that on Spanish television, for a few years, they showed images of girls in Northern Ireland, who, to go to school, I think they had to cross a Protestant neighborhood, and people yelled at them, things, insulted them, etc. I remember that I always thought that why adults had to do that to some children who go to school, that by ignoring them I was done.
Holy cross school. You’ll find videos of it on here. Terrible behaviour my the adults.
@@declanrussell2232spitting and throwing rocks to absolutely horrible behaviour
Holy Cross School, 2001.
Britain were only charged last week with a second crime against humanity in Northern ireland with SAS targeting civilians and safe houses used for torture
At 12:40 The 4 Crescents are the 4 provinces of Ireland. Leinster, Ulster, Connaught, Munster. They are just in Irish. The middle is the Town The Mural is in which is called Loughgall. There is a few songs about the town, one of my favourite Irish rebel songs is about there. Also just to Correct you as you point towards the Red Hand as a loyalist symbol. The Red Hand is a Irish symbol that is referred to as the Red Hand Of Ireland. It was used by Ó Neill During the nine year war in resisting the English back in the 1500s it was hijacked in the 1900s by Loyalists and a crown placed on top. The symbol is used on the Flag of Northern Ireland with a Crown and on the Ulster flag with no crown as a province of Ireland. This is a nice video to start with but this miss a lot of information out and doesn't tell the full story but I enjoyed watching it. Thanks for having a interest in our tiny little island.
The way they took the red hand symbol still bothers me. The old story about the red hand was, there was a boat race, who ever touched Irish soil first got the land, O’Neill was behind and was desperate to keep the land, so being both desperate and cunning, he chopped off his hand and threw it to land and won his land. Hence the red hand O’Neill story.
The sunningdale agreement was essentially the good Friday agreement, but we can thank the devil himself Paisley because he put an end that. Essentially he fueled the hatred in Northern Ireland.
You were confused by the deaths they showed in the film and amount they said at the end of 3500. These includes bombings and shooting etc that they know about. There is most proberly more on all sides that nobody talks about or cares to know about.
Also the wounded the British army alone suffered one thousand dead and six thousand wounded so the wounded of both loyalist and Catholic must of been well over ten thousand wounded, I served in the British army in Iraq I'm pleased op banner was over then....I saw and took part in some shit in Iraq but northern Ireland was still fresh, I will never forget that picture and footage of the young paratrooper cuddling the beautiful Irish lass who had both her legs blown off at the nee down by an IRA bomb and fuck the IRA they were supported by inbred border bandit country and slums of Londonderry and Belfast......there will never be an United Ireland realistically
You're surprised that you don't learn about the Troubles, in the States, but we don't learn anything about this in England, either.
I didn't even know that Ireland was an independent country until my dad (who's Irish and lives in Ireland) explained it to me on the centennial anniversary of the 1916 Easter Rising. I'm honestly surprised I didn't realise, earlier, as they use Euros and I need a passport to go there.
There is so much British history you would need to be school until about 30 to learn it all.
yup even right now most people who know a bit about the Troubles, think it's about religion
@@TheBobbyel but it's not like the Troubles is Ancient history. The Troubles is incredibly relevant, in Anglo-Irish politics and its very much still in living memory.
@@joshuabruce9599 To Zoomers it's ancient history though.
@@scipioafricanus5871 Even Zoomers should learn about that part of history.
Otherwise they will end up repeating it.
Ii remember going into Birmingham town centre - as a student - by bus, and seeing the wreckage outside the two pubs, the Mulberry Bush and the Tavern in the Town, after the bombings in 1974, which killed 21 people. ( People had chair-legs through their legs.)
The British comment wryly on the fact that most of the money for the terrorism came from the USA, and you have insisted on attacking countries that support terrorism!
The terms 'Ulster' and 'Northern Ireland' are not synonymous. The partition in 1921 left 3 Ulster counties on what is now the Republic of Ireland side.
Probably the British should not have been in Ireland. The only right to Ireland that Henry II had when he invaded in 1170 was because a Pope had given the island to him!
But I have less sympathy with the Irish in the seventeenth century. The Roman Catholic Church inveigled the Irish into getting the support of two evil, tyrannical, imperialistic governments, the Spanish and the French; so the British counter-attack was not so much colonialism as fighting for our own survival.
Yet where the British Government was totally wrong was in the handling of the Potato Famine in the 1840s. We deliberately let hundreds of thousands starve because of a hardline 'They're poor because it's their own fault' attitude.
And the English have a weakness; we shy away from tackling hot potatoes. Our Governments knew that Northern Ireland was being unfairly governed for much of the twentieth century, but chose to look away.
Connor, I'm very glad you're tackling this topic. It really annoys us in the UK that Americans don't know how bad the Troubles were; I suspect that your politicians and media soft-pedalled the issue because they didn't want to upset the Irish vote.
Hello Jonathan,
The other issue this presentation doesn't tackle is the fact that americans were donating to the republican movement through NORAID.
It was common for weapons of american origin to turn up in Ireland.
People in the UK aren’t taught about Irish history either, despite all the atrocity’s the British committed there. It’s only actually in Ireland where you are given any sort of education on the topic
It annoys you in the UK that Americans don't know how bad the troubles were....... that's definitely the most ironic comment I've read in a long time. People in the UK don't want anyone to know about " the troubles"🤣.
Hi guys we see you got a war going on with the country nextdoor that you colonised??
A war!? I do believe your mistaken old boy. Just a bit of troubles . Nothing to see here. Just some criminal activity. We locked up all the Catholics as a precaution .
@@conordunphy4315 In my day in the school system in 1960’s and 70s your history education depended upon your religion, catholic schools taught Irish history and Protestant schools taught U.K. history only
The bombing in Omagh, 1998. Look that up. That one broke everyone's hearts. That one was truly horrible, it really was.
I was told when I lived in Belfast that a lot of the civil war was about practical matters and not just a clash of loyalty or ideology or religion. I was told that before the Goid Friday agreement that the British made it 1 vote per NI household and not person. This is because there was usually a lot more Catholics per household than in Protestant households. Also, when I was there every job applicant had to do a demographic checklist to ensure that Catholics etc. weren't being discriminated in regards to employment. I was also told that 10% of the NI population were violent, 10% risked their life for peace and the other 80% just wanted it to be over and peaceful like most other civil wars. However, in Australia in the 20th century, there were signs outside of businesses that said 'Catholics/Protestants need not apply'.
the bit about 1 vote per household was changed in 1969 which was long before the good Friday agreement. Northern Ireland was using the rules that used to apply in all of the UK but were changed in Great Britain in 1945 ( universities and businesses used to have a vote and you had to be a rate payer)
Having watched both parts, I'm surprised there was no mention of Lord Mountbatten. Who was killed by the IRA when they blew up his boat whilst on holiday in NI, killing all on board, including a local boy.
Yes, I found that a surprising omission too. It happened in August '79.
I lived in Belfast in 2004-2005 and most of the locals didn't know who he was.
Wasn't it in the Republic (Southern) Ireland where he holidayed (County Sligo)? Which I was stunned at.
@@danpearce4547 Yes
@@ianwalker5842 The same day as Warrenpoint I think - which was mentioned in the video ( killing of 18 troops)
That's a very simplistic and not wholly honest account of the Troubles. Nowhere is it stated that the British were active participants in the murder and terrorism, through collusion with loyalist paramilitaries in sectarian killings on both sides of the Irish border.
Not once is there any mention of the UVF's so called Glenanne Gang of loyalist serial killers who murdered more than 100 people along the border in the 1970s and the 1980s - among whose membership were serving members of the Royal Ulster Cionstabulary poilice and the British army's locally recruited Ulster Defence Regiment. These UVF, and off duty police and army killers were involved in scoes of killings with bombings south of the border in Dublin, Monaghan, Dundalk, Castleblayney, and Belturbet, and the attacks at Silverbridge, and the killings of members of the Reavey and O'Dowd families that were mentioned in the video. Not surprisingly many of these murderous attacks were never properly investigated and they remain unsolved to this day.
If the British wanted to beat the IRA they could have, it's the fact that we're run by traitors and limp wristed cowardly politicians who would rather fellate the Yanks rather than stand up for their own people in Northern Ireland. The Loyalist were targeted by the British army too, they weren't given any special privilege
The Good Friday Agreement happened after the bombing of Omagh...& that bomb actually killed 31, not 29, as 1 lady that was killed was about 8-8 &half mths pregnant.
A similar situation occurred in Spain during the 70’s. ETA (similar to IRA) was fighting for independence of the Basque Country and did many terrorist attacks against Franco’ dictatorship. It eventually finished after Spain became a democracy. Maybe you can find videos about it.
Catalonia and Gallicia are still colonized ;-)
11:33 those are the provinces of the island of ireland. Connachta, Ulaidh, Mhumhain, and Laighin. Each one broadly splits the island in four. Ulaidh is the northern province and is where northern ireland is.
Exactly. One thing I don't get is each province is still referred to as cúige(cúige laighin etc), which means 5th in irish, but there's 4 provinces. It goes back to the fact that their was 5 provinces back in the day when their was high Kings in Ireland, based in Tara, the 5th and smallest province in the middle of the island at the time.
@@donallmccrudden4812 never mind you were right. Never knew that.
@@foxsotired3038 you are when it comes to the modern provinces. Tara existed between the 9th and 12th century, roughly around the the time when the Norman's arrived
@@donallmccrudden4812 Kinda embarrassing actually as I live just down the road from the hill of tara.
@@foxsotired3038 can't know everything and it hasn't existed in so long, but it is kinda interesting. Are ya in co.meath? Connemara here.
Not going to comment on the actual politics but I was born in 79 and for me news reports of people killed in the troubles were like news reports of people killed in multiple vehicle car crashes on the motorway.
I remember one bit on the news and was just a minute long piece about someone being murdered in Belfast and they ended it with just saying this brings the total of deaths from The Troubles this year to 70.
I think I have learnt a lot more this evening about the strife of the various civil wars on the Island of Ireland than I have in the previous 43 years of life.
One thing I did find very weird about the whole era was that the Republican groups got a lot of support from the USA with some Hollywood films being about the troubles with main protagonists being Republican paramilitaries and even some of the leaders were invited to the White House on the 17th of March it bit too soon after the cease fire.
All that going on in the US while the UK governments continued to be very cosy bedfellows with the US administrations.
PS Kudos to you[Connor] for being honest when you don't know about things raised in the videos you react too.
The reason the Republican groups got a lot of support from the USA, was because of the massive Irish community in the USA. Representatives did a fundraising campaign in the USA to fund their operations, which included protecting the Irish-Americans relatives caught in the middle of the conflict, and with the help of Irish-American politicians gained additional influence. As for the films, I think Hollywood saw it as an interesting and exciting/dramatic story. Not to mention Irish-Americans probably produced a lot of those films.
@@seanlamora6333 Sorry should of been more clear, the weird bit for me was that the UK governments seemed to turn a blind eye towards the US being a source of “support” for the Republican movement in Northern Ireland and the UK continued to suck up to the US.
Looking back I now know why and that was The Cold War was still going strong in the 1980s and the UK and the US were both on the same side.
@@johngault22 Thanks for the reply. I've never even considered the effect the Cold War had on the Troubles. Makes a lot of sense. I always thought it was an odd position the USA found itself in, being the middleman in the conflict and helping both sides. Thanks for sharing and giving me new insight. Have a great day!!
The thing with the Kingsmill massacre was that sectarian killings had reached a high point during 1976 and quite often paramilitaries, on stopping a vehicle, would deliberately NOT announce who they were (which side) and not wear insignia (to avoid detection) partly in order to get the people to open up which religion you were. Imagine the terror: you have a 50:50 chance of life or death. Choose the wrong one.....you do not know who the terrorists are. Up till that point I believe the vehicle hold-ups and then gun attacks had been carried out by loyalist paramilitaries in that area so the protestants probably felt safe in declaring themselves Protestants.
Nevertheless, the paramilitaries generally had the same accent, looked the same, dressed the same...maybe a knowledgable civilian would note the weapons, as the IRA tended to be better equipped with Armalites and such. But in reality you would not know who the hell was stopping your van. A horrible situation.
By the way, I commend you on learning history such as this and you approach a very sensitive issue very respectfully. Kudos to you for learning all this history. And yes, Northern Ireland was quite a unique situation for western Europe. It still is - real echo through history (as History with Hilbert's channel illustrated).
By the way, I grew up in England in the 80s and 90s and Northern Ireland seemed to be forever in the news, with constant bombings and gun attacks/assassinations. Even as a kid in, the relative safety of England, it really depressed me. I really felt strong empathy for the people of Northern Ireland. Let's hope the peace lasts.
At point 6.02 the kings mill massacre, those in the van didn’t know who the terrorists were, loyalists or republicans or army/police. There were spies and infiltration and many lost their lives when a group pretended to be another. In the van, how would they know which was the answer that would save them? Especially since the UDR, the ulster defence regiment, a loyalist NI branch of the army, were involved in so many paramilitary killings. The police, the RUC, had to be disbanded and is now the PSNI, the police service of Northern Ireland, that as part of its formation, had to be made up of 50% Protestant and 50% catholics, yes that’s how corrupt it was. Imagine tens of thousands of army coming into such a small place as NI from the rest of the U.K. and taking over. You think lockdown was bad? We went to work through riots, expecting bombs to go off where we walked in the towns, never went past a parked car, and went through endless security checks. You sorta knew there was always a chance you wouldn’t come home. The politicians were bloody idiots thinking they could quash with violence or locking people up without charge - but it only escalated and led to hunger strikes and mass joining of paramilitary organisations. You are maybe thinking in terms of recent history, but this is history going back hundreds of years where the island of Ireland was taken over, exploited and starved by the U.K. mainland. People have been either wanting to stay as part of the U.K. despite the discrimination, or, have a united Ireland with self governance. So it’s about identity, home, belonging, justice, fighting for what we believe in for generation after generation. We still live with differences, paramilitaries and with being screwed over. At some stage try to get your head round Brexit and the impact on NI where the U.K. is supposed to have left the European Union. Except NI is still under the control of the European Parliament and trade laws. We are still being faced with what that means and what will be the outcome as the decisions won’t be influenced or informed by our NI politicians as they havn’t taken their seats in over s year, again! You couldn’t make it up!!! But no I wouldn’t live anywhere else but “our wee country”. God bless Ireland, both north and south .
He only mentioned a few attacks. There where much more. Many bombs in England aswell
04:39 "God, I gotta shut up."
Connor, this is a place for learning, so if you can't shut up in class --- the door is right over there. Pay attention!
As an American think of the British Paratroops as Marines. You don't ask the Marines to do a policing operation and expect it to go well.
The paras and marines don't kill anywhere near as many people as the American police!!!
As an Irishman, thinking of the paratroopers as the gestapo would be more accurate.
@@roykeane103 You're kidding yourself if you think the paras were anything like the Gestapo. If the Gestapo went into Londonderry do you think there would be just 14 dead?
Our business was Mail Order.. in a large city. We had to check our mail for Letter Bombs.... The powers that be showed us what to look for... one had already been found in the local Post office.... and others, elsewhere.
These videos are pretty good but they only scratch the surface. There are some great books on the subject.
I was born in 76 so growing up in England was quite scary always hearing about ira bombs being found or exploded.
In 95 I started working for a large hotel company, and after the 1996 ira bomb 33 miles away in Manchester, we got trained on what to do if a bomb is discovered or a bomb threat received, we were trained on what to do and where to go if it was on the inside or the outside (slightly different rules depending on location)
Imagine growing up in & around Belfast...
Do the Yugoslav war from Feature history please
The 4 crests on the mural are the crests of the 4 provinces of Ireland. Named, In English, Ulster, Munster, Leinster and Connaught
You ask how come you didn't know - check out NORAID.
I served in Northern Ireland for 3 years. Great to see you learn about it.
Any stories?
That mural with the crests are the original 4 provinces names in Irish Gaelic... Ulster, Munster, Leinster, Connacht.
14:04 Basically, a bunch of steel tubes are welded together in the back of a van, and a hole cut in the roof. Because mathematics, you can work out from the angle to set the tubes at, and how much propellant to put in to figure out where to park up relative to your target, set a timer and then bugger off. It then lobs a bunch of high explosive into that general location.
It's not precisely accurate, because the charges going off and the suspension will change your angles a bit. At any rate, they go off, and then it sets off the pyro you put in to burn out any forensic evidence.
America and Russia supplied weapons to the IRA too
not much evidence that the Soviet Union supplied weapons but the USA definitely did, they've been doing it to all our colonies after the WW2 to dismantle the British Empire
I think that the lack of knowledge of the Troubles in the US reflects the general apathy towards anything that does not affect them directly. They probably equally don’t know about the terrorism committed by the Red Army Faction in Germany in the 1970s, the bombings in Italy in the 1980s, including the one in Bologna which killed 85 people or the bombings in Madrid railway stations in which 193 people were killed. At least the chap seems to be trying to expand his knowledge beyond the shores of the USA, although some of the videos watched seem to be aimed more at young children.
Antipathy? The Americans were straight up funding the IRA, especially Irish Americans.
IRA gave warnings some were ignored some not specific enough
Thats why we have plastic and not iron waste bins in our streets and public buildings .I remember asking a guy if the plastic bag was his or not .A bomb was put in a waste bin in Warrington and it killed a young boy .
2 boys were killed in the Warrington bombings a 3 year old and a 12 year old.
Dolores O'Riordan was so heartbroken by this that she wrote and recorded with her band The Cranberries, "Zombie".
Conor should react to the video of "Zombie" by The Cranberries.
Baedermeinhoff in Germany, Red Brigades in Italy, ETA in Spain. The best bit though is what Freddie scapatichi did within the IRA he was a major enforcer so far up the hierarchy that he was the one called on to torture and kill any possible suspect informers or spies but he had been turned by British military intelligence he was called “steak knife” this was a major blow to the Leadership they were dumbstruck as to what to do luckily the peace process was the chosen solution .We’re all friends now of course….ha ha ha
You ask where similar events were occurring in Europe over that period. Obviously UK/Ireland's relationship was unique. Tensions in Soviet Bloc were obviously harshly suppressed and didn't reveal themselves until the collapse of the Soviet Union, similarly with the Former Yugoslavia. Portugal, Spain and Greece were under forms of Military Dictatorship and tensions manifested with Basque Separatists and Regional calls for independence for Catalonia and Galicia. Conflicting Greek Nationalism and Independence led to violence in Cyprus with Turkish Occupation of the North. Nicosia remains a divided Capital. France was still reeling from the loss of Algeria which fed tensions, there was a minor group protesting "Occupation Corse"(Corsica) and Basque influence in the SW and language nationalism in the Breton Region. Italy suffered from traditional North/South Tensions with the " Lombardy League" in the North and Mafia/Anti Mafia operations in Naples and Sicily. The "Red Brigades" also in the Mix. Belgium had language nationalism issues between Flemish and Walloons, Netherlands had episodes with "Moluccan" terrorists (Former Dutch Colonies). West Germany had issues with "Bader-Mienhoff" gangs with added complications mixing Turkish Migrant Workers and PLO somehow connected. Even Denmark felt tensios with Greenland. Security Intelligence often focused on links between the various disparate groups especially the external to Western Europe connection.
Back in Britain there were Language/Nationalist groups carrying out vandalism/terrorism, Miebion Glyndwr, a Welsh Nationalist group and Meibion Kernow a smaller Cornish language group. There was also a linking of Right Wing White/Christian groups but for whatever reason they seemed more divided and easily infiltrated but they still exist.
There was a lot of cross over due to superpower bloc politics, retreat from Empire, Religious Conflict, migration issues, Civil Rights, South America, Drugs, Gun runnig etc.
This a very superficial list off the top of my head.
00:05 "I just finished part one guys, do I need to do I really need to do an intro?"
No, I don't mind avoid getting condescended for 15 seconds.
They would have known who was catholic and protestant long before the attack. The boys who did the massacre would probably have been from the area and even if they werent they would have had info from people who were
The American education system doesn't teach much of anything if it doesn't relate to America and it's history in some way.
Also if you wanna learn about Thatcher, then Biographics did a video on her.
Thatcher. Who wants to learn about that b*tch?
She ruined the United Kingdom.
The British education system is even worse, at least they teach the Americans some of the important parts of their history
In American education system they do teach CRT witch is very wrong
@@Derryman63 Mainly in Law School.
Connor the robotic vehicle used by bomb disposal units would normally fire a shotgun charge at the suspected vehicle, more often the vehicles would be booby trapped with anti tamper devices.
Have a look at the footage of IRA bombs and the huge damage they caused.
I've watched both films, and they mention material support for the IRA from Libya, what it doesn't mention is the support they received from NORAID, which was american supporters of the IRA.
Ironically american support for the irish republican movement didn't really cease until the bombing of the twin towers in New York.
Never watched a TH-camr who is love to meet so much, you literally like to watch all the stuff I like. Would definitely like to pick you brain and talk about life
For another European country where similar events have happened, and exluding the breakup of Yugoslavia, the obvious example is Spain. Basque separatism (and more recent Catalan independence) has had a fair amount of violence attached to it and the Spanish government (which was under the dictator Franco for part of the period) didn't always behave responsibly in response.
There's plenty of fault on both sides, and plenty of criminals who have and will never be touched. And loads of hypocrisy on both sides.
Europe no longer needs to worry about any of the examples of the past you give because Europe has now got a wonderful religion that is all about peace and i'm sure thats going to work out just fine... who do the IRA support now? because from where im viewing this it isnt the republic of Ireland
in Spain ETA was doing similar things, they were "fighting" for the independence of the vasque country...The IRA and ETA even establish relations between them and with other subversive groups like FARC in Colombia and Groups in other Latin American Countries
Dont forget the palestinians
4:14 the Basques and their separatist group ETA were in constant war with the Spanish government for decades. That’s the only European equivalent to the Northern Ireland conflict after WWII I can think of.
Yup the ETA and the IRA had a cozy relationship and often helped each other
There were the Baader Meinhof terrorists in W Germany , and also the Red Brigade? in Italy who kidnapped and murdered a senior politician.
You should react to how the us stole the middle east. It is really an interesting video
Americans were not told about what the IRA did because Catholic Irish Americans were funding them. They still do today.
The Northern US Irish in the US Civil War, were wanting to invade Canada.
20 odd yrs ago I was in Chicago in a bar drinking cocktails, when the waitress read out the names, she didn't have a clue about my reaction when she got to a cocktail called an Irish car bomb.
@@tobytaylor2154 Sad, most Irish, I assume, are human.
Exactly and politicians are complicit in it. The current president being the latest example.
@@williambranch4283 I can confirm they are, my aunt was from Northern Ireland. Married to an RAF officer.
74. Is known as the biggest bombing war on england since WW2
I was born in 1972, and I can remember growing up and my mum and dad always watched the News on Tv and that’s all I remember seeing the troubles in Northern and Southern Ireland, and the bombs that the IRA set off in England.
In 1996 the IRA detonated a 1,500 kilogram lorry/truck bomb of in my home city of Manchester. I was 23 years old at the time.
We were in Manchester celebrating my son's 10th birthday, along with 3 of his friends, when the bomb went off. We were OK but couldn't get through to the other parents to let them know their kids were OK- I still have slight panic attacks about that.
I remember that day vividly. I was outside talking to my neighbour (4 miles from city centre) and we heard the bomb go off but didn't realise what it was. It sounded like thunder in the distance. It was only later in the day when I saw the tv news that I then knew what we had heard.
Ireland's economy is excellent right now which is on everyones mind, (north and south). Religion isn't a problem anymore. Doesn't it seem that's what's going make a United Ireland.
You learn more when living through it.
Maggie Thatcher was probably the best Prime Minister the U.K. has had since Winston Churchill!
You asked at around 4:20 where else in Europe something like this had happened. The ones that spring to mind are the ETA insurgency in Spain and the Years of Lead in Italy
M15 is the same as CIA where able to come between the COs and volunteers not able to know each other and then m15 where able to get between volunteers and high command and m15 got Irish volunteers weapons and protestants where their given targets .They can't deny it because they where caught but you won't hear about that FACT
I was in the Tavern In The Town an hour before the bomb went off.
I was born 1972 (Coventry) it felt like there was a bomb or some sort of incident every week on the news.
In 1974 a bomb was planted in Coventry, it went off as it was being planted. The IRA member was killed and 54 were injured.
Ross Kemp visited NR in 2014, its worth watching - maybe not as a reaction but just so you can get an insight into how things are currently in NR.
Wareenpoint they noticed brits look for a strong point after a bomb. So they put 2 bombs 1 on a road beside a castle and 1 in the castle . They blew 1 waited when medevac came blew 2
The irony seems lost on Connor and most of those commenting here. Connor and his ancestors stole North America from the indigenous population and committed far worse atrocities than the English ever did in Ireland.
Another like Ireland? I don't know. But maybe Balkans, the European powder keg. Exploded in the 90:s in the "Yugoslav Wars". This video is pretty good explanation:
th-cam.com/video/oiSgAiM0d8A/w-d-xo.html
Also, Thatcher was called "the Iron Lady".
The Irish were as oppressed by the British.. for hundreds of years.. To me it is crazy that this was still ongoing into modern times... Watch the movie.. with Daniel Day Lewis.. "In the Name of the Farther" a true depiction of the times
A lot of the history of Ireland has been recorded in some incredible songs. (Ballad of) Joe McDonnell, performed by The Wolf Tones, is one referencing the Hunger Strikers.
Ira songs are biased
My dad was in the Royal Anglian Regt and served in NI in the early 1970s.. He didn’t talk about much about his time there but I know it wasn’t good.. He (and we) was posted to Germany, Paderborn after his NI tour..
I am an English Catholic of Irish descent. But I think we, England, have, betrayed Ulster.
The car bomb in Manchester went off outside the city's shopping centre, parked outside the store I was working in.
I was born 1968 in n Ireland and there are still monsters
my Father was in the Army in the early 1970's and did 3 tours in Northern Ireland, i was born in 1980 nd at the age of 4 i learned how to check our car for bombs, we had to check everytime we left the car alone. i was also taught how see if we were being followed and what a booby trap may look like. that may seem extreme but my family is of irish decent and were seen as traitors even though my gran was the last member to be born in Ireland. when i was 11 the IRA detonated a massive bomb in the NAAFI shop on our base about a minute after we had left luckily myself, younger brother and mom suffered only cuts and brusies from glass and other things thrown out by the explosion. the IRA would target the familys of service personnel as a standard tactic. i joined the british army on 3rd of march 1997 at 16 years and 9 months old and left due to injuries sustained in afghanistan during my 2nd tour in 2003.
The operation in Deal was much better.
4:08 The Basque Country (Euskadi) in Spain... not the same, but similar.
The 4 provances of ireland. Ulster munster lienster and connought
I was a young guy when this was going on. I lived in west London and the news was full of news about Ireland. It was horrific. So you can see why our army's are so different. The US army is set up for massive deployment overseas, but the brits spend more effort protecting it's borders from terrorist and insurgents, and doing black ops and intelligence gathering. ✌️♥️🇬🇧
So you invade people's home lands and basically most of the world killing millions and you call everyone else terrorists you have some neck , 🇮🇪🇮🇪
@@stephenflood5374 that's right. You see, the difference is that some people learn from their mistakes and others dwell on the passed and continue to fight over things that happened in the passed. People in the middle east are still holding grudges over something that happened thousends of years ago and differences in belief. That's why they will continue to live in conflict and misery. You also have to remember that it was the English who outlawed slavery around the world and spent ships, men and 1/3 of its wealth capturing slave ships and freeing slaves at the same time as fighting napoleon. Unfortunately there are people who constantly bring up the passed and will die bitter and angry.
@@coot1925 what you’ve said correct in many ways but so different in many others. The British armed forces protected their borders, done black ops, gathered intelligence, carried out many assassinations of unarmed people, colluded with and shared their gathered intelligence with paramilitary groups, interrogated then tortured innocent people, imprisoned innocent people indefinitely without a trial, shot plastic bullets indiscriminately into a crowd of protesters and beat peaceful protesters off the street. I know that there were wrong doings by all sides but let’s not kid ourselves by thinking it was all one sided. I’m glad the dirty war is over and the majority of the people are committed to living in a peaceful society.
It was going in Spain round the same with the Basque seperatists it was just as bloody in in fact the Basque seperatist the ETA and the IRA had a very cozy reletionship and often helped each other
Maybe not quite the same,but there have been "troubles" all over Western Europe - Basque separatist group ETA fighting for independence from Spain being a main one, also the Catalan independence saga, Corsican separatists in France and so on.
If you get the time watch the movie Hunger about the 1981 Hunger Strike starring Michael Fassbender. & In The Name Of The Father about the Guildford Four starring Daniel Day Lewis.
The thing with Thatcher is there were a lot of what we call "secret conservatives". If you asked much of the UK who is are most hated Prime Minister, most would say Thatcher. That said, she is our longest serving Prime Minister and more on more voted for her, until her party ousted her. Thatcher was obstinate.
I think it's also worth noting that the US through NORAID provided money to buy weapons and explosives despite the FBI trying to stop it. When 9/11 happened Americans saw what their money bought and it dried up. That and the fall of the Soviet Union impacted on the IRA funds significantly enough to bring them to the negotiating table.
The truck bomb in Manchester I was on my way into Manchester that day and would have been going past that spot
You also might want to check out The Troubles podcast. It is very informative, plus it's narrated by a guy with an Irish accent. I often fall asleep to it, but obviously some content HIGHLY disturbing! Some episodes not for the feint of heart.
There was a lot of money collected in the US under the guise of aid called Noraid which went towards supplying weapons and support to the IRA
There was a significant terrorist movement in West Germany in the 1970s and '80s, featuring the Rote Armee Fraktion, who deliberately picked their name so it would have the same acronym aas the RAF, and the anarchist Revolutionary Cells which was much more effective and lasted longer because they had a much bigger and distributed structure and kept their day jobs, just doing actions occasionally on weekends and evenings, without a command structure which could be beheaded, like happened to the RAF.
The most important apart from Northen Ireland is in the Basque country in north east Spain. The resistance group ETA grew out of resistance to fascism in the Spanish Civil War, and the fascist regime after it from 1939-1975, which especially brutalised the Basque people for having fought on the democratic Republican side in that war and having a distinct nationality, with completely seperate languages and an ethnic history going back to prehistory. The Basque language group is unique in the world, not being related to any other language, and not part of the Indo-European group spoken all over Europe and all the countries ever settled by Europeans elsewhere. When the Provisional IRA made peace with the Loyalist paramilitaries and the British state in 1998, they encouraged ETA to do likewise, but it wasn't possible, because the Spanish state and society wasn't prepared to make the concessions that were made to the Republican community in Northern Ireland, so the war continues, although on a smaller scale. In particular the constitution that Spain adopted after the fascist dictator Franco died in 1974, and which allowed for leftwing political parties to operate freely and win elections, does not allow for any seperation of Spain's provinces from Spain, despite the distinct nationalities and languages in Catalonia, Galicia and the Basque lands. In that way it continues the Spanish nationalism of General Franco and the forces who caused, started and won the Spanish Civil War. What ETA people point out is that although Franco died and there was an electoral system, the way the Basque lands were policed and militarily occupied didn't change. The same fascist officers stayed, and the same random killings, deaths in custody, torture and so on continued. So why would they stop resisting just because there was an elected president in Madrid?
I was never taught about this in a British school.
We're not taught about even the origins of England and the English people let alone the complex history of Northern Ireland. We've got a shite education system
@@fyrdman2185
For the vast majority of people school is about making new workers to keep the economy going. Very few places go beyond that.
The 22 car bombs were in 1 and half hours..there were thousands of car bombs etc
Spain and the Basque region has a similar history. As horrible as the world wars were, they caused a lot of western colonised countries to get independence as the western European countries were to economically depleted to keep oppressing these countries.
There was a 1990 mortar attack on downing st during 1st iraq war
I'm surprised he didn't mention the infamous assassination of Lord Louis Mountbatten in 1979. Mountbatten was the uncle of Prince Philip and had been the last Viceroy of India as well as a high-ranking Admiral in the Royal Navy. The IRA blew up his fishing boat, killing him, his 14 year old grandson, a 15 year old crew member and the mother of his son-in-law.
The whole issue of “the troubles” is extremely complex with massive wrong doing on both sides.
Personally I know people that have been seriously injured as a result.
I narrowly missed a cat bomb in my home city in England.
Yes, for those living through this it was a full scale civil war :(
Sadly much that stirred up “the troubles” still exists… the fact that Brexit makes the long term peace difficult with the possibility of a “hard boarder a reality :(
Sadly the USA has been involved in funding paramilitary groups and feeding the bloodshed :(
I genuinely don’t think anyone has a viable long term solution that would satisfy everyone!
The losers in all of this are the innocent ones lots (including children) who just want to live in peace :(
I have family in Northern Ireland on both sides of the divide so like to think that I can see things from a fairly objective point of view, I'm English myself and can remember the days of the Brighton bombing, the Manchester and Canary Wharf bombings, and to a lesser extent the Birmingham pub bombings, and whilst I agree with a lot of what you say I don't necessarily agree with all.
Firstly I don't agree with any bombing of the public or sectarian attacks, but the problem was basically caused in 1921 by not giving Ireland back to the Irish in its entirety. Yes, it would have still caused problems in the north, but you'd hope they could have sorted it out in time. I have that this period of time was called The Troubles, it wasn't just some minor trouble, it was a full blown civil war with one side being backed by the military might of the British Army, it really is as simple as that.
What happened then, and has been happening during Brexit, is that the minority in Northern Ireland were backed by those in power in Westminster for their own political agenda. Counties that had majority Republican populations were shoehorned into remaining part of the United Kingdom and this was never going to end well. Over time the IRA became terrorists running illegal operations and the leaders becoming akin to what drug lords in Mexico are, and people who have this power find it very hard to give it up.
In England we were only really ever told about the IRA, but there were (and still are) terrorists on both sides. Who do you think funds the UDF and UDA? They might not have bombed and killed people in England, but the sectarian killings they carried out in Northern Ireland, along with the operations carried out by the British Army in some circumstances were equally as bad.
You are right that there is no easy solution to this. I had hoped that since the Good Friday Agreement was signed the communities in Northern Ireland, particularly the school system would have meant more integration and Catholic and Protestant kids would have gone to school together, played sports together, and basically befriended one another at an early age that would feed through to a more united province, but this hasn't been the case, and even now seeing the Orange Order insist on making through Catholic areas banging their drums, provoking things, setting on fire huge bonfires, burning the Irish flag, effergies of the Pope, and other Republican symbols doesn't help matters in the slightest.
That all said things have gotten better and the province has become wealthier over the past 20 years, however there is still poverty in many areas, and as had been seen recently with Brexit, those in power in England just don't care one bit about what happens in Northern Ireland. They back the minority again, they stoke tensions, and it does make me fear where things will end.
Asking to what I just said, and I don't support this, bit you have to understand that those in the US giving support in the form of money to the IRA were doing so because their families had origins in Ireland, they saw the British as occupiers that targeted communities they came from, and whereas the Loyalist palamilitaries had access to funding from Britain how is it any different those Irish Americans funding the IRA? I'd prefer neither to exist, but as we saw in this video both sides are to blame for the violence and with the lack of political leadership to bring the two sides together, back in the 60s, the 80s, and even today bad situations descend into violence.
@@mattpotter8725 speaking as a non-Brit, non-Irish, non-Protestant, non-catholic, I’d say you have taken a fairly one sided view of the conflict. Not entirely, but you seem to suggest that funds and arms flowing in one direction was morally wrong and the other morally justified.
I’d also note in relation to your first comment that partition itself is not historically unique, nor especially rare. India/Pakistan, Israel/Palestine are just a couple of more recent examples. In all cases, the same issue arises - two religious groups who can’t seem to coexist without violence amongst the more extreme elements within. Ironically, those that speak vociferously for a untied Ireland are usually the same that argue for a Palestinian state vs one state solution and I don’t hear them argue for a United india (india historically being one land, partitioned by the British to allow for Muslim majority areas to be free from Hindu rule).
Both sides were guilty of terrible atrocities and that should be condemned without equivocation. However, I do believe that the South African model is the only proven success in terms of peace and reconciliation post conflict. If NI had more of that, it would be in a better place now. Given that, I’ve got no problem with former IRA vols becoming elected political leaders - I’d have a big problem if they turned away from the ballot box and back to the gun though.
@@goldboy150 The thing is that in Northern Ireland it isn't religious art all, it's sectarian, so I'm not sure it's the same as the partition of India into India and Pakistan (which was also wondering done by the British), and Israel-Palestine I think is an issue all until itself. What Northern Ireland is would be akin to if a British population of India in part of India, say Mumbai, was kept by Britain after independence, because the people in power there had armed themselves and were wanting to remain British. It's not quite the same, but it's not far off.
In the end though knowing the history and the fact that growing up Catholic in Northern Ireland meant that it was very difficult to get a good job, something which didn't apply to my grandpa as he grew up going to a Church of Ireland (Protestant) school, matching with the Orangemen, and he was from a rural area anyway, growing up on a farm, but he is knew how things were. This is all completely separate from the conflict though, even some aspects obviously do play a part.
The problem is that since the signing of the Good Friday Agreement things, whilst not perfect, have come a long way. Even though there is still quite a bit of poverty in certain areas in the province there has been quite a bit of investment. It's an amazing part of the world, but that's only because of engaging all communities and making sure they are represented in the running of political institutions, which allows stability.
Discriminating against a large percentage of the population is never going to promote prosperity. I don't think I am biased, I just think those from all backgrounds would be treated equally regardless of their political or sectarian views. I don't support those who actively promote violence and killing in either side, however an most people in England and they will tell you this doing this are on one side, the IRA, and the others are just law abiding citizens when that isn't the case, there are large amounts of both communities that just want to go on and their ordinary lives, but small pockets of those who like and benefit from let's say unlawful activities.
I think the fact you think that I support one side of the argument because part of the underlying environment discriminated against those you think that I'm in favour of, but I just want all to be able to work together and benefit from making the province economically more prosperous whether they want to be part of the UK or part of Ireland. The beauty of the Good Friday Agreement was that those feeling Irish could be Irish, those feeling British could be British. Brexit ran a coach and horses through that and I just don't want this to go back to how things were and ruin the progress made (which is far from perfect, but it was getting there).
Did this kind of thing happen in the rest of Europe post WWII? Try the Balkans - Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania, etc in the 1990s, also the Caucasus (Chechnya, Armenia, etc) after the disintegration of the USSR, look into the Basque regions of Spain and France after the fall of Franco.....plenty of stuff to learn about modern strife, mostly on the periphery of the continent.
It was the loyalists who started the fighting not the Nationalist.
This video leaves a lot of information out. It's a huge topic, there were far more attacks than this video covers.
Not a word about bloody Sunday in 1972...😬
Thatcher - liked or disliked, was the last great prime minister this country had, on par with Churchill. Why? Because she was strong, all the PM's since have been like jelly, in fact our last three Cameron, May & Johnson all lost their jobs without a general election.