The Battle for Warhammer Scandal Just Got Worse
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14:31 People who oppose this change or who are pointing out the gaslighting are getting banned. Even people complaining about the bans are getting banned. With the bans they can give the impression that the Warhammer 40K fan community is for this (because everyone not for it is banned), but in reality this just makes this whole situation worse and radicalizes people who get banned and who think this behavior is unjust. Nothing good will come from this. This is the wrong route.
Paradox of Tolerance my dear fellow. You can't have a tolerant society if you accept intolerance.
@@Octarinewolf actually that paradox is wrong, because in the process you become intolerant, people is entitled to think and believe whatever they want if that dosent affects other people lives, karl popper was wrong.
Banned from what? 😅
What does getting banned mean, can they no longer purchase Warhammer things? Have there pictures been sent to every LGS to make sure the ban sticks? Do you believe Games Workshop cares what their players on message boards think? Oh you sweet summer child. They have one of the worst reputations in the tabletop space and their video games have been wildly inconsistent for years. Until it affects their bottom line, they are happy that Warhammer is being talked about at all. GW were most likely giddy when the story got picked up by the likes of Phillip Defranco.
Where were they banned and were they banned for their opinion or because of the way they expressed that opinion?
This is why im glad im a guard painter. The guard don't care what gender the space marines sandbags are.
-((🤔))- If proper, *_foundational_*_ Storytelling_ doesn't matter to GW anymore, why should we continue to be invested in The Setting???
And *_iƒ_*_ Femme _*_Custodes_* are so Important & a _potential _*_Money-maker_*_ ƒor GW, _WHY_ didn't they release Femme Custodes (or even just " " Upgrade *Heads* ) to co-inside w/ this new Lore-changed/Ret-con CODEX (??)
*📰NEWSFLASH🗞*
Many *_Intelligent Woman_* (e.g. ⚔Sword & Steel🛡) are against this *_Lazy_*_ virtue-signal Lore Change, and for good reason (& obv. it's __*_not_* because they are *"§exists"* or *"ßigøts"*_ (which is laughable)
Ruin it all for the many, for the benefit of the few, _most_ of which do not even spend/play in the hobby: i.e. "The Audience which does not exist - and *_eschew_* fleshing out an *_EXISTING_* great Female Model Line *SISTER oƒ SILENCE* for one that has *_never_* had females in the setting for over 4 decades & since 40K's Lore & Setting inception. * )
( * Pure, unadulterated *_ÇRlNGE._* ) (** And I also....am a 40K Hobby Vet, since 1995 )
For me, it’s not that they made Custodes also female, it’s that they ignored the badass females that already work WITH the Custodes.
I think the problem is- the climate politically speaking is either woke or non-woke, nothing in-between. In this polarizing time, when you go against those who are angry about the female custodes it automatically puts you in the opposite side. I do think when you say things like "also, I'm not a racist" do not help dispel the thoughts of those who put you on a blacklist, It could be seen as implying that people who disagree with you, and deemed you as "woke" are, and I dont think its fair to paint with such a large brush on that one, even if its done in satire. I think the best thing to do would be just to not wade into politics. Those are just my thought, do what seemeth good in your eyes. Peace be with you.
No, that's what's the racists bigots that are behind all this "anti woke" nonsense wants you to believe ˆˆ
Not being a racist is not political, it's not being woke, it's just the bare minimum of politeness in our time.
The thing is, she does want to dispel the thoughts of those who put her on the blacklist, they're a vocal minority that doesn't matter XD
I've spent a ridiculous amount of cash on GW miniatures throughout my adult life, and yet, Ive barely ever played more than 4 games in decades. Its almost like you can buy, build, and paint without having to roll dice.
You are absolutely not the only one.
@AskenOrbital Did the idea of me replying to your munted bait trigger you so much that you had to block-me/delete-it immediately after posting?
@@AskenOrbital No. Now do you have any other moronism for the day, or have you already depleted your hard wrought supply?
@@AskenOrbital Can't say that I am. Next question.
Infidel!!!! Traitor!!!!
Having fun without playing!!!!!
Heretic!!!!
Shout out to One Page Rules!
Been falling hard into OPR, grim dark and Warfleets are great
I am loving OPR! Gaming feels fun again
One page rules is taking off at my club. It's becoming the rule of cool !
OPR is the best, I just made a viking army rule set to use for both aos and gdf, now im making a imperium esc army but so far its just an army book containing regular human army forces and a basic combat squad of relatively lore accurate space marines.
Surely not one of those alternatives mentioned with "great lore"
You did make it sound like anyone who really cared about the lore wasn't a fan. I started planning to boycott GW for a while, but that's because 3D printer go Brrrrrrrrrr and you can get a much cooler army through 3D printers.
ALso dishonest weasel wording, saying that "GW never said that girls weren't allowed", which is *technically true* but it also ignores the fact we know they're exclusively male because they, as a collective, are ALWAYS described as "sons", "he" "they" etc.
Yeah, she's just kind of a slippery liar, all in all, I have zero interest in what the dishonest have to say, which is why I won't be returning to this person's videos.
@@pamew yeah, I think she just got a whole lot of push back for her terrible take and is regretting it.
@@charliedavis3931 What's bizarre is that if she just even said "I phrased things badly that effectively made my statement invalid", even that would go over better.
But no, Ego gonna Ego.
These people seem to have really strong opinions about the bodies of what will one day be biomass for the great hive ships.
Shhhh. Don't tell the Incels that the Tyranids are secretly Transgender.
Or strong opinions about pointless pandering. Pointless pandering is just cringe.
Having "strong opinion" about something pointless is even more cringe
Female orkz and Emperor of Ma'am coming soon.
@reianvase6683 The orks are genderless although they do present as hyper masculine.
You can say the boycott is ineffective - but those new products weren't selling out in minutes like before.
It's sold out. The boycott failed.
probably because they just generally sucked more
When it comes to agenda drive stuff like this I always ask, not What, "but WHY?"
If the "WHY" is politically motivated to push an agenda, for instance an agenda based on personal ideologies, then it's a problem. If that's the reason then it's not being done for the betterment of the IP, which is always a problem.
“Wtf happen to Star Wars”. ESG scores and Disney being an awful company
The irony is thick.
I blame their weird policy of having different directors that hated each other in charge of the sequels. The only thing worse than having no design doc for a franchise is having multiple conflicting design docs
a few games you didnt mention, frostgrave, stargrave, 5 parsecs from home, Zona alfa, one page rules
LOTS!!!
I heard stargrave is good, but also theres a lot of kickstarters for games too.
@@DiscourseMinis Dozens! DOZENS!
Wargaming isn't just GW scifi/ fantasy. Tons of historical and other sci fi/ fantasy games out there. You name a period, there's probably rules / figures for it. Just go to a site like Northstar Games, Brigade Games, Warlord Games to see a selection of various rule/ figure types. The list is very, very long of other games.
I'm from 1989. Where Astartes Custodes are not space marines. They are the Emperors' personal guard. Not allowed to leave the Imperial Castle grounds. Maybe if Earth is itself is under attack, confined to Terran. (Originally, they were Imperial Custodes) 🤕
There was no mention of them all being male there either. So they were probably equal opportunity in their toplessness and leather pants.
@@Octarinewolf Other than all the entries calling them a brotherhood, but I guess ignorance is bliss when you want your opinion to be correct?
@@Octarinewolf "noble sons of terra" my guy
@SPNKr02 Not in Warhammer 40K Rogue Trader, where that isn't mentioned.
@@Octarinewolfyeah, in rogue trader they were not given a definite sex, rhat was then later clarified to be male only and that remained unchanged for at least 10 years, that i know of, therefore Custodes are male, and there were no females in the original 10,000, as GW have recently tried to claim
I don't know why I'm bothered that no one even mentions Warmachine as alternative anymore, but I am. I miss is glory days. I wish I'd have appreciated it more back then.
Unfortunately, that company also learned some of GW's shady practices and now it is almost forgotten (don't know if they still release new miniatures).
There's been a post mortem on its downfall uploaded to TH-cam in recent days. Might be worth a watch?
I used to be one of their Pressgangers until they ended that program. Since then they've gone downhill.
Because Privateer Press sabotaged themselves and haven't recovered from it.
They practice the collectable trading card game release model. That means they have to purge their range every few years and force everyone to buy new stuff. My circle is proudly displayed in my case, but it's not so playable. The community in Ontario died sometime in 3rd, but I quit after the 3rd edition playtest.
Amazon disregarded The Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle, the former are able to directly talk to The Emperor and the latter are more bad ass than SM or Castotes.
But if you were a fan you would have known that.
Or the all female Banshees for the Eldars…
@@d.o.g573 But they aren't. The armor is all female in appearance, and they are considered female as they are all considered aspects of Morai-Heg, but what's underneath the armor can be male or female.
Keep in mind that the whole thing with Amazon is a rumor.
Assuming it's true: Amazon aren't fans of Warhammer, they're fans of profits.
Who said Henry Caville hated women ?
When he refused to bend the knee for the butchering of Witcher lore
@@donovanberserk4993 is that what they are calling it now? that's pretty dumb if you ask me, the guy just wanted it to stay true to the actual lore which is pretty good.
It was sarcasm
why should you care if he does or doesn't what you should be thinking is will he walk out of another project because TW wasn't the only project he has walked away from when the now 41 year old man who doesn't like what he hears he walks he's no saviour to anyone especially not to fans of WH he has little to no experience as a producer or writer he produces word salads on his social media to make him look more intelligent than he does he is incredibly boring in interviews same old bs and no I don't think he has the ability to pull off any of this.. GW doesn't need HC to pull this off you the fans who have been loyal to the lore and loyal to the game are enough. His name isn't a draw for this WH cinematic universe you the consumer, the fans and the creators yes with everything I am surprised the last time this was discussed it didn't get picked up off the ground with the amount of lore and stories that could've blasted this from the start I am just not sure if the timing is good he prematurely announced it him and NV on their personal IGs which Amazon and GW didn't post til days later because he was deflecting from the sh show of being booted from TW and being dropped as Supes that he didn't even have this was a verbal agreement nothing in stone and yet he posted about being back like a dumbass... Amazon hopefully wont do what they did with Rings or Time and hopefully go in a more Fallout approach... But there is a lot more evidence on HC not being a team player just some people are reluctant to go looking for the evidence......
Well if he likes men… send him my direction
Iv spent over 10k on Warhammer minis and books love the lore I have no problem with women in Warhammer it’s just the massive dump on the lore and the lying it could of been handled better
Yup. I super likr luetins take. Its not like female custodes is the problem but when you act like there has always been female custodes/not actually weaving them into story is the thing that bothers actual fans.
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@@gaymer5697 You mean... like when Dark Eldars appeared out of nowhere? Or the T'au? The reaction of the community was nothing like this one.
Yeah, or when apparently, the Rail weapons used by the Tau's were retconned into being bought from the Votanns and adapted by them instead of being an invention of the Empire, which is a major retcon about one of our iconic weapons, but apparently, that's fine XD
And even the fact that Horus is not completely destroyed, another major retcon in the lore, no one cares, the Emperor said he forgave Horus just before killin him? It's fine, nothing wrong with that.
There's maybe some females in the 10 000 dudes who did nothing for the vast majority of imperial history? Outrage XD
@@krankarvolund7771 stop being a femboy I’m not ok with any of the that or the primaris marines and iv always said it
the comment "seriously, wtf happened to starwars" is the exact issue that you should look into and why folks are fighting so hard against the warhammer changes. Specifically, they dont want anything to go the way of starwars by doing the same tings. Folks are sick of it.
Was the Phantom Menace woke? I thought it was just shit.
It’s called siege mentality
Big difference here, with the last Star Wars Trilogy it was completely rushed with no coherent story in place. Nothing planned out at all. It was just a money grab and it really shows. Outside of that, I really hear nothing but mostly good things about Star Wars, it's just those movies for the most part that was the problem. That and just how pushed Rey was.
@Traytekh Oh, what is the excuse of Gears 5, Terminator, how about Saints Row remake, and let's not forget Marvel or DC. All of those including star wars are either dead, dying, or on life support. I have been watching this steaming pile of dog shit for years. Companies think they can piss all over the fans and then are surprised when those fans leave and get pissed off.
Hmm. So you think the terrible plot, disjointed and unconnected writing and general total cash-grab shambles of the Star Wars sequel films was entirely due to having a female lead? What utter tosh. They were just crap films, made by a company that didn't care what went in the films so long as they made a billion dollars each. All this raging about representation in games media is just weird, man.
I’ve liked most of your content and I agree that minis should be cheaper, but claiming that a person is a “casual” fan because they care about the lore is a pretty low blow, particularly since you have to be aware of the “filthy casual” meme. The fact that you have to justify it here and it just makes you sound worse doesn’t help, particularly since you throw the “I’m not racist!” In here. I agree our hobbies should be cheaper, I can’t agree that retcons are just great and if you care about them, you’re a lesser fan.
Regarding the drinkers video, I believe that he was saying that while Astartes are bad ass, the Custodes are a tier or 2 above them. Hence the entire introduction of the Space Marines.
Hes also spoken of Warhammer in many of his streams, highlighting his enjoyment of the setting/models.
Hes also 100% bang on with his observations regarding this whole thing, something which no one has really tried to address. Most seem content to call him a tourist without actually explaining why he may be off base.
Drinker isnt a tourist, hes mentioned his love of 40k loads of times, hes just not a 40k channel so rarely has reason to bring it up. People keep going "oh he thinks that Custodes are just space marines" while ignoring the fact that hes not speaking to the people that already know all the lore
He’s a numbnut,that’s what
I feel personaly insulted! I am a Wargaming TH-camr with over 30K Subscribers, AND i am openly Trans! Why the fuck am i not on this list?!?!?!?
Because they don't have a problem with trans people. They have a problem with far-left woke trash ruining hobbies and inserting their politics into franchises and taking IP's over and turning them in to propaganda outlets. None of them care about trans people, just as they don't care about straight people, or anything. They just want the hobby and they don't want the IP to be destroyed they way all other IPs have been destroyed by woke people.
Well we can all subscribe to you anyway. That way the white list is better than the blacklist.
Because the people complaining are only "lore" "experts" who only watch Arch or Gamza...
Because you can't ovulate.
Could you not try a bit harder at being trans? Like *really* squeeze your eyes tight, like Cartman doing a plop, and make yourself even transer? Which is totally a word.
1, most fans play the game or buy the books = revinue - so yea boucutting will hurt.
2, People are rightfully pissed at gaslighting and cooperate knee bending
3, People are rightfully conserned this is only the beginning of another woke disaster that will ruin the franchise like .... oh Star wars, Witcher and Marvel.
4, Theres no good basis for the change which only demisnish the already strong females (Sob, SoS, Inquisitors and female Guard) who faces the same horrors without being enhanced super humans- and by doing so is in fact cooler.
5, Finally I think theres a lot of pushbach because people are fed up with woke nonsense. Its fine people wanner dress or partner up with whoever they like - but keep it out of my Games, hobbies and movies - coz I dont give a s***.
The list was really usefull btw. I subbed and now watch every single one on that list
doing gods work
Gosh the notes on that list are funny. "Auspex Tactics - cares only about meta." Not political enough...banned.
When I get upset at a company, it usually takes me about 10 years to revisit the offending company. I received some raw burger buddies from Burger King back around 1990 or so. I didn't buy anything from Burger King until 2004. While dinning at a local Perkins Restaurant, I received silverware that had dried food on it. I got up, left the establishment and didn't return to a Perkins for over 10 years.
Games Workshop Upgraded Epic and then got rid of Epic. It took me at least 5 years to really look at buying any 40K models.
Same here. After the Gilette woke commercial scandal I quit buying any Gilette products and the second place on my "avoid forever list" is logitech cause of their business keyboards which are designed in a way that disables left shift + space "cause it is not a gaming keyboard".
You sound kind of an over-reacting guy ˆˆ'
When I ate at a small restaurant and they gave me a knife with dried food on it, I politely asked to have another knife, they apologized, all was well XD
Downplaying and trivializing the issue is cowardly. Misleading and omg surreptitious. I started on GURPS when there was only the core book. I know in all the hundred of hame i have played over 40 years the story is everything. Immersion is king. What am i going to play next. Hmmm just bought a 3d printer.
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I'm not suprised anymore, seeing as GW has been messing about with the lore in a half baked way for some time now and creating promising things only to ignore them shortly afterwards, that or screwing things up.
Like the Necrons becoming more akin to the tomb kings from the now zombified warhammer fantasy battles or the way they went about the lore for the primaries, as well as letting us think the squats are coming back as a faction (instead of small groups in other GW ganes) only to reveal nope its like squats but not squats.
For me the way they scrapped on us chaos space marines and removing any options for chaos marines in the imperial armoury list.
So I can understand how female Custodies lore was the last straw for so many people, more so with the way GW has been dealing with this issue in the typical half thought out knee jerk way it often does.
I would not be suprised if GW hates us customers/fans base but loves our money.
Things you conveniently forgot:
1. Henry Cavil already quit the Witcher when the studio torched the lore
2. Amazon has already shown us their not so secret agenda with what they did to LotR.
3. There are many people who buy Warhammer who don't play. They're called collectors and hobbyist. Not everyone who participates in 40k or values the lore plays. Check your comments there are a few in there.
4. You dreadfully misread this situation and you just couldn't help yourself from doubling down. Top tier wokie trait.
5. You still can't seem to grasp/acknowledge that this whole thing has much less to do with female Custodes and is really a flash point for WH people to vent frustration over a company they support who openly disdains and gaslights them.
I just wish whatever happens it forces them to reduce their miniature price by 80%
Dude, you can't show a still of Carnivale from TTCombat and not talk about Dropzone Commander or Dropfleet Commander!
If after all the insane price gouging, the $400 FOMO short run special boxed armies to get one damn model, the endless retcons, the churning of codexes so expensive models have an expiration date, the ever endless power creep, and the entire shitty way GW has treated supporters over the last almost 30 years, I'm going to simply die laughing if all it took to bring GW to its knees was the rumor they're putting titties on a Space Marine model. Oh my god, that is f'ing hilarious!!! I love wargaming but there's way too many far better games with excellent backstories to much care what GW does these days.
I would like to point out the Blood angels have titties and abs on their armor.
The Wargaming and the Warhammer Hobby are quite distinct. They look similar but they really are not.
The thing is, IMO, it's really about all the things you just mentioned. A lot of times when married couples blow up and initiate a divorce, it's over some incredibly petty thing that just becomes a flashpoint for years of resentment and mistrust over far more significant factors that just never got resolved.
People have been bottling it up for ages over how GW has treated this franchise and its fans, and this may just be the tiny puff of air that finally makes the bottle burst.
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It's a hobby built around a wargame. The only thing that's been consistent throughout 40K's history is the fact that it's a game. Some hobbyists may only participate in parts of the hobby, some collect models, some are focused on the lore, some are obsessed with tournaments while others prefer casual games... Some do all of it, some only do certain parts of it... and all those folks are 40k hobbyists. But from the start, it was a game and everything around it exists because of the game. If 40k the game dies, it all dies. GW is a game company.
@@unwantedbs2571 You described the warhammer hobby, the wargaming hobby might look similar at first glance, but it is a completely different community with little overlap
"trust me my dad works at Nintendo" is the funniest fucking thing I've seen since that basically flags it as a troll post immediately (or at a stretch a very bad fake) but some people completely missed or intentionally ignored that part and taking it as gospel.
The Black Library is a form of Marketing. People who are getting in to the game may check out some of the books that pertain to the armies they are looking to play. After reading the Lore, they will most likely have a better idea of what models they want to invest in. Also people who already play the game may pick read Warhammer books and buy more models because they were inspired by further reading of the Lore.
I'll accept that there are some hardline types claiming to be fans and inserting their politics into the community, but ....... aren't GW/Amazon/Blackrock/the Evil Mind-controlling Squirrels/Whoever doing that already? I mean they are the ones creating the whole controversy in the first place and coming up with solutions for problems that truly didn't exist in the first place. think about it, before some guy in a suit decided to open this can of worms I doubt even the most Space Marine-like SJW was aware of Warhammer 40K let alone the Starter Custards. There was no Deathkorps of DEI.
BTW anyone who can bend their mind so far as to brand Majorkill as woke needs help. Badly. Either that or they have a sense of humour weirder than mine.
Warhammer actually is unique - not in terms of quality or the topic covered, but quantity.
The amount of novels published about it is immense, even if I personally don't understand their appeal.
"I'm European so I guess all my opinions are too socialist for American audiences."
... my heritage is European, I live in Australia, I have no particular respect for Americans, and I remember how in your ratioed video, you justified the changes as "Frasier, you never said you had a brother".
That justification is not acceptable; the arguments that others have given like "but women have a right to be in Warhammer" are disingenuous seeing as the game had both female characters and female players". And I don't particularly consider you woke. There are people who consider me woke. There are people I consider to be woke and I disagree with them.
I just wish people being insulted for hanging on to the actual reality of the situations weren't being gaslighted or called "American audiences".
Can we also just remember, "the rage over female Custodes" seems to have not remembered that a big, big, JUSTIFIABLE part of the problem is not "females" or "female Custodes" as much as THE WAY GW HANDLED THIS MESS?
That blacklist is hilarious. Was scrolling through the names like "uhuh... mhm... yep, I know and like all of those" xD
I hadn't watched all of them and there were some that I watched a video from and for one reason or another hadn't subscribed to so I'm liking it.
Well Templin generally goes full retard and makes lore videos that often contradict the lore of the setting. Whenever someone points it out he goes "well that's my interpretation of the lore". No guy, you were just wrong.
@@Glaaki13in green section, red are trash
@@9237imagine outing yourself as Arch fanboy trash 😂
@@HistoritorJimaldus green listers are at least reasonable, reds are emotionally unstable, maybe even traumatized people.
Politics decided to enter gaming. That's why this is happening. Those tubers you're talking about aren't injecting anything into it. We are just pointing it out
Ha. Cope
You underestimate the impact producing terrible shows will do to the brand. You are assuming, like Amazon is, that any show regardless of quality will increase interest in the brand and the game.
It won't. Quite the opposite
She quite literally said this
Well, it did work for Fallout, old games are selling like crazy right now and the record of people playing simultaneously has been broken.
Anuerin Bevan was a monster. He was responsible for the destruction of the network of charity hospitals which existed prior to the State-controlled NHS. He replaced efficient, caring hospitals with what we've got now.
Idk, Discourse.. seems somewhat woke to me..
Primaris Space Marines bother me more than female Space Marines or female Adeptus Custodes, at least from a lore standpoint. It implies The Emperor of All Mankind made an oversight when creating the hierarchy of superhumans, and that just flies in the face of all the lore. Female Space Marines have roots in the old Rogue Trader models, so anyone complaining about them might want to check their 1987/1988 copies of White Dwarf.
The emperor didn’t make the space marines in the first place
@@wendiewebb4457 Where do you get that? In the lore, he created the Space Marines from the genetic makeup of the Primarchs.
Empy does have a history of hamstringing his own creations so he can wipe them out later, see Thunder Warriors
I am totally jealous, I made fun of this controversy on my small TH-cam channel and I didn't get on the blacklist. Totally unfair.
Well we can all subscribe to you anyway.
@@Octarinewolf Don’t worry, Octarine. I’ll blacklist you if it’ll perk you up. I’m writing your name down now in crayon and putting a big grumpy face next to it. Happy now? If not I can always put a other even grumpier face.
Nobody that actually plays 40K gives a shit about this lore change. I just think woke + far-right TH-camrs are both just trying to make this a thing when it's not a thing.
Where can I find this "blacklist?" I need more wargaming in my feed, and that sounds like a good start.
Check out Snipe and Wibb. They got added to the list because they complained about not being on it
@@LtBob38 I will. Thanks!
yeah!
@@LtBob38 Oh, Snip and Wib; they are such a treasure 🤗
@@LtBob38that's perfectly in line with their MO. Great job
I was only ever into WH40k for the lore. You know. Those books that Black Library publishes. For money.
And yes, there's plenty of alternatives to warhammer for sci fi and fantasy fiction.
Sometimes in life you have to ask yourself the important questions like, Why the f*** did I just waste 15 minutes of my life watching this video.....
I think the fake 40k defender mob took longer than the fake 40k woke mob. The defender mob is reacting to the woke mob. I really don't even think this is a fight between fans . It's like a 30% woke mob, 30% fake defender, and 40% actual fans. And I think the backlash you are JUST now feeling from the fake defender side is what us lore fans felt from the beginning from the woke mob. Like us lore people just got absolutely trashed for posting anything about why this lore makes no sense and was EXTREMELY poorly implemented. Like I was asking simple questions on reddit about how this is cannon and could it work in the lore. Then some random woke mob began calling me a bigot a sexist that 40k is sexitst and I'm the problem with America. And if you checked that person's account, they never posted on any 40k stuff prior to female custodians, and all they do is post on social justice warrior stuff yelling at people and creating tension. We were outcasted from our own hobby by people who don't even play it, and by this video, I think you can start to understand our problem a bit more with this situation now that it's happening to you.
Mmmmmmm no, you ended up on that list by being dishonest, by saying the canon never claimed that girls "weren't allowed." It doesn't NEED to say that because custodes were exclusively male, and always described as such. That's you fence sitting, as the list indicates, and doing it via deceit. Not very cash money of you.
You engaged in deliberate weasel-wording to spread a lie about the canon. And people don't like that.
Oh, and people choosing to identify you as fence-sitting is not "McCarthyism" at all, you were accused of dishonesty and downplaying the problem and there's clear evidence of that.
People can be wrong about one thing but right about another.
Being homophobic is wrong.
Identifying you as lying about the setting (in this case via word games) is just an accurate take. There's evidence of your dishonesty in your own self-admitted arguments that you even replicated here.
Anyway, GW is trash, and the fact that they're taking a dump on the canon to try to sell more minis (which is what this is, misguided as it was) is just pathetic.
Cavil likes women. He's married too. He doesn't like breaking lore. Not in Warhammer or in Superman, though Zack sure bent the heck out of the lore.
A huge amount of warhammer "players" like me, aren't real wargamers, yet spend a lot of money on GWs products. We buy the miniatures and rule books (for the lore and because they are awesome), paint the things and collect armies, without playing the actual tabletop game for years.
Yeeah, it's not the first time I feel like she's a little too focused on the player's part of the customers, even though polls show that something like 40% of GW customers collect miniature but don't play ˆˆ
Wokeism is the end of our culture and traditions. I have been buying Warhammer 40K books and Miniatures since the mid 80s. I literally have thousands of each. I am disappointed in Games Workshop and will not buy any of their woke products and you are wrong many people are disgusted with this decision.
This anger, however widespread it might really be (my guess is "not very"), is all strange to me, as I am pretty sure I have a female space marine miniature Citadel/GW released in the 80s, and I certainly have multiple female Imperial Guard miniatures made by Citadel/GW. So while they have never made many female models for the Imperium of Man, women have been officially part of the Imperium's armed forces from a very early stage. Why wouldn't there be female Custodes?
It's not that having female custodes is a bad thing, it's GW acting like we are all stupid by saying "It's always been that way" Just say "hey everyone we want to start adding some new lore to the custodes to add more women etc" Don't treat your fanbase as though they are stupid it's that easy. Probably would have been received a lot better if they did.
Who would have thought a company named Amazon might want to include a massive female warrior in something?
Wait until the idiots get mad about the tree people
Karen Elf from Rings of Power agrees with this statement.
You win! 😂
They denied Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle AND Female Inquisitors. They do not want female warriors they want the biggest most op female warrior to fit their narrative...
... as opposed to a big tree-lined river?
Being Woke(tm) is the same as being racist and sexist. Or did you think Identity Politics was somehow not racist?
The problem is not that certain youtubers insert political views in their commentary the problem is Games Workshop inserts political views into our escapism.
How is it political?
If you think 40K didn't have politics in it from the start, you have the media literacy of a pool noodle, mate.
People are boycotting from this bullshirt! I boycotted GW years ago for predatory business practices and utter garbage game design.
The best reason to not buy from them.
I haven't boycotted them, but I only buy made to order miniatures that I like. I don't bother with their current games.
The fact that this is getting more attention than GW cutting entire armies and huge numbers of AoS miniatures just goes to show how ridiculous the Warhammer Fandom is.
Maybe because they didn't cut ou entire armies and number of AoS miniatures? ˆˆ
They over the Beasts of Chaos to the Old World, where they originally belonged, and you're free to continue to play Beasts of Chaos, you'll even have free rules contrary to everyone else who'll have to pay 45 bucks for their rules XD
Aside from that they're retiring some miniatures, like they regularly do, because GW don't really intend to keep production of all their miniatures for ever. Plus, we know that some if not most of them are going to be replaced by new models, so it'll likely be a win ˆˆ
I stayed away from Warhammer 40k since 6th ed. The "People" really put me off. I started a new Admech army a month ago. Now we have all this rubbish. I played since Rogue Trader. You know something. IDGAF about female GSM or even SM. I really don't care. It is kind of putting me off playing again.
I was into warhammer since the mid 90s. I've abandoned GW utterly in the past few years. My group stopped playing shortly after 9th edition. Tried a couple of 10th edition game and gave it away.
I don't even download free copies of the codex anymore.
One Page Rules is so much better.
Recently we have started playing Kings of War as well.
Ill probably keep listening to the audiobooks but I certainly won't be paying for any of them.
GW can burn as far as I'm concerned.
My favorite bit on this was on the podcast Trashfuture where one of the hosts said about a Daily Mail article "Now I didn't know they included woke points in the army balance"
I am playing One Page Rules and have been loving it so much more. And using non games workshop models. "Piper makes" is an incredible 3d stl creator for tau and eldar.
Have you heard of the debating tactic of "Appealing to Triviality". Like you did here by dismissing us lore addicts as trivial and not worth Games Workshop's time and attention so we should just give up and let them do whatever they please.
my issue with the whole thing is that nothing needed to change, there was already plenty of badass female representation and the fact that it wasnt enought and that they changed it because of a minority of people that wanted it just spells trouble with the future, are we going to get Trans marines next or Angron is going to come out as gay??? changes like this WILL kill the game.
I mean realistically some space marines may be trans guys and you'd never know with how roided out they are, plus they don't have sex anyways lol though yeah this is definitely going to hurt their profits.
Oh, some things needed to change. Sisters of Silence need more lore.
Space marines already are trans. They're transhuman. They literally take copious amounts of hormones to function. They have had every gender affirming surgery imaginable to become the ultimate male killing machine. There's a reason Warhammer has been so popular with trans people besides the fact that we are all autistic. Outside of this you're coping and seething about something that's never going to happen.
Either you did little research or just lie, the so called "blacklist" is not that it is a list that puts content creators in woke, fencesitter and rigthwing categories. So the list does not pick any sides.
But well seems like consitency is not your strongpoint.
What happened to Star Wars?
Exactly what is happening now to Warhammer.
A massive movie franchise that made several billion dollars
There are only 6 movies
@@yonghominale8884 Not wrong. But in the Mouse's last shareholder meeting they conveniently left out the fact that the billions SW has made didn't cover the cost of purchase. Each movie earned less than the last, the streaming service has become a black hole, and merchandise sales are so bad even Hasbro is reeling. Same pattern is matched by their other two acquisitions; Marvel and Pixar. Multiple profitable franchises rendered untenable. Multiple fandoms attacked and labelled toxic Istophobes.
@@peterdickinson4599 Which is impossible. it only cost Disney 4 billion dollar in stock to acquire Lucasarts. The new Trilogy plus Rogue one earned at least 6 billion dollars in ticket sales. Disney got their money back. What they really meant was the 11 billion dollar loss caused by Disney+
Yep, & Yes. ( _Çriminal_ )
I'm taking those Little Green Army Men toys you can get in buckets for about $20 and using those incorporated into my WWII: Operation Whitebox games. So much less expensive and a hell of a lot more fun. No putting things together, no painting, no pain in the ass, no fuss. Just straight up fun. The sculpts ain't great but they don't have to be perfect, they just need to work
to answer the boycott question: the people I have talked to are unsubscribing from Warhammer+, and we are switching to 3d printing. we are model painters and we play the table top. I am really liking the new one page game, where we can play with whatever figurines we want, and the game is straight up. we also have groups that stick to the older codex's you can have your own thing outside of games workshop. you are right in that it probably wont make a difference, but we can choose to use or money for other games that line up better with our ideals.
to be clear, I don't mind female custodes. what we mind are the reasons behind the change. the motivations to insert DEI into everything. that is the issue. no one really talks about the argument. they point to the individuals and call us names to deflect from the primary argument. it is dismissive and disingenuous. gaslighting at it's finest.
No one 100% knows the reason behind the change, but we do know black library authors have wanted to do it for years
Ok I have an idea, since the Femstode is cannon now, she could be (the only one) but the potential mother of the star child through immaculate conception……
I love auspex tactics only cares about the meta, it should have also said doesn't get enough sleep!!!
too bad Games Workshop can't follow his lead...
I think retcons and lazy lore changes matter, but it's wild to think that people are making a 'list' because they disagree with something someone else says.
People have different opinions - that's okay.
Just wish more people would talk about Full Spectrum Dominance!
I don't play any GW products, or have any interest in the lore. But I do enjoy your content and applaud your encouragement of people to give some other companies a try.
Yep, expecially as GW are now just a bunch of money grabbing shits. Our lassie here is right about other rule sets though; there are any number of rule sets that can be used to fight Grim Dark games and there are an awful lot of alternative figures out there.
Games like Xenos Rampant, 30k, 40k, aliens, bug hunting, zombies you can stat the lot and use any figures you want.
One, there is no list I am aware of. If there is, it isn't from conservatives. More likely leftist.
Two, the problem has never been about female anything. It is about cultural capture, which why the "retcon" occurred.
The problem you are having, is not recognizing the same infiltration of ideology that led to Rings Of Power or the collapse of Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, or Last of Us Part 2.
Wow. I want to make a 40k rumor now. The next bit of army lore is going to be written by Chuck Tingle.
"Pounded in the Butt by my Handsome Sapient Imperial Creed while Explaining Why Its Heresy To Include Female Costodes."
That would have been great, actually.
It would continue the tradition of GW attracting authors that consistently punch above their weight class. 😊
Well, I would actually preorder. Unless it is instantly sold out to bots of course....
its not about female or not. its the start of the woke bs.... if u can name any good "including" change in games or lore i am suprised
2:28 Coincidently, I am openly gay for Eons of Battle
I didn't know Eons was gay, that's neat tho, keep on keeping on
The go to place when you need someone to remind you how fun and exciting the hobby can be.
@@Scrombo2 I wasn't absolutely certain but he was definitely giving me gay vibes and it's no wonder lol
EoB is a great channel for when you *don't* want to hear about everything "getting worse" or a bunch of controversy, and just want to enjoy your hobby.
Love the Channel.
thanks so much vince!!!
I do believe calling it a brotherhood is pretty explicit in that it's male only or when they said it was an honor to give up your first born son to be a custodes.
Assuming it isn't a translation of something like Nakama. And that High Gothic actually has sex based terms for your children. And we do know High Gothic evolved from Tech and Tech was a patois of multiple languages including Japanese.
The Fallout series has the "Brotherhood of Steel" which has both Female Paladins and Female Elders, a rank typically only obtained by those of Paladin rank, which predates Bethesdas acquisition of the game.
@@Octarinewolf Just... no. It's a space grim dark narrative set 38,000 years into the future written in 1986 and exponentially expanded upon since for 37 and a half years. There is very little interpretation for what you're trying to state. Custodes are male, end of story. Japan has been forgotten, America is barely remembered as some neo-atlantis called Ancient Merika. Nothing of our time is remembered. If anything Nakama is erroneously remembered as some inventor or religious guy who invented one of the founding computer principles in programming. The little scraps of information going back more than forty thousand years even so much as a thousand in the setting of 40k is riddled with mistakes and misinterpretations.
Automatic thumbs down each and every time now for yet another recycled thumbnail pic. How lazy can you get?
JFC. I thought, 'My Enemies' lists only ever appeared where people had diaries....and diary keepers were themselves a bit of a rare breed.
What a world....
Actually, a lot of right-wing groups make lists like this.
And it gets significantly worse when they get in power - my home country has several ever-growing lists of people and organizations, each list imposing limits on their legal rights.
@@SashaS-s2z Not sure why politics is being brought into this but, ok.
@@kdog3908 This whole conflict is about politics, actually.
@@San_Vito Only in the broadest application of the term. My comment isn't written in that context though.
Damn….. I really liked you and your channel but this video is super cringe. I don’t want to rewatch but you seemingly embraced socialism at the beginning even if humorously. I know you’re very intelligent and have a very good grasp of language. You seem to be using those gifts to paint a narrative that the die hard fans of the lore are wrong or maybe wasting their time. I couldn’t disagree more.
You could literally make the same arguments for people being upset about D&D or any of the other countless franchises and intellectual properties that have been destroyed by corporate greed.
You’re right that there may ultimately be more net fans in the short term. Games workshop and Amazon will get paid. You’re wrong though if you think it won’t be at the cost of the soul of the lore of warhammer.
I read a quote recently that said something like “pray the stories and lore you love never get taken over by a corporation.”
Just remind people:
Game Workshop exists to Sell Miniatures....
Then go ahead and remind them further:
Game Workshop has a history of how it's I.P. is handled by other companies, and it has always been... firm. To the point it has killed popular video game series because it couldn't relax that hold any. To think that an American company would get some unique treatment is a little unusual, but then the people using the word 'woke conspiracy' do think there is someone in the shadow mind-controlling C.E.O.'s.
tbf amazon is huge and i could theoretically see them pushing for such a change. i dont think it's likely in this case though. when you consier statements from the blick library writers, the history of gw and gw becoming more popular, a step like this was only a question of when not if. i'm with luetin, i'm honestly surprised they didnt get female space marines going with primaris marines.
So if female Custodes don't sell well, those who hate the idea are correct?
We know how this is going to work out. Get woke go broke is undefeated.
Never trust an Irish person calling themselves 'European'.
My guy blackrock is involved with GW now they strongarm everyone
Of course there's no one controlling big corporations from the shadows. All of those giant companies just decided to go woke at the same time even though it has cost them billions, because giant corporations love losing money. BUT if there were someone like that calling the shots, his name would rhyme with Harry Stink. 🤡
amazong has black lives matter on the front page of amazon prime all the time, they are DEI and woke, this is absolutely not a secret to anyone.
Not to defend Mcarthy but, its only rumored he was gay. The point that you state it as fact displays a level of disingenuousness in your argument. Context matters, unless you only said it to apear clever and to make a point?
I mean this person in the video screams far-left to me. Surely you can see how they double down on destroying lore in the video by way of embracing these retcons? and yes, McCarthy was RUMORED (never confirmed) to be gay.
The change isn't that deep but it's also pretty cringe lol.
It's cringe because it's obvious pandering
I am totally fine with adding females to the Banana Squad but I think GW just blew their own foot off with how they decided to handle it all. If they had simply said, hey we’re ADDING women to the Custodes since there weren’t any before, that would have been ok, but trying to say there have always been female Custodes and in the process “gaslight” fans about it all, that’s just wrong. That’s my own personal issue with this mess. Don’t know about the rest of you. Oh, and I’m still buying GW products.
I think what would help it is maybe make it some revelation from the Big E, basically have him garble up a sentence of "More to fight, more to sacrifice, destroy enemy" or something ominous and give a revelation to Cawl or some other scientist to utilize the other half of the population for potential super soldiers, maybe add in an additional benefit of them being stronger psykers or something as well.
@@smiley4995 the Sisters of Silence are already in gold, so they could just say they’re now an auxiliary force of the Custodes, lol.
@@craiglee3048 True but they apparently want a whole new thing to add, not using the Sisters.
When you're wrong it gets difficult to explain things
And discourse is failing to explain her position.
Is that the reason why you modified your com ? 😁
@@colemboletaor8498 you're and your.
hasty generalization
Lol hurting no one with a boycott besides yourself priceless
Why? I mean saves their wallets from paying hundreds of dollars for paints and plastic that they could easily just 3d print.
Great video! Also speaking of blacklists and rumors, that so called Henry Cavill rumor came from Arch, the guy that has been blacklisted by Warhammer when they told him to change his name. lol
Arch is a great guy and one of the best Warhammer TH-camrs though. So what's your point?
@@scepteredisle Oh my sweet summer child, do a basic google search about "arch warhammer controversy", your reaction will be a litmus test of how okay you are with outdated world views
@@scepteredisle He's a swivel-eyed tosser.
@@scepteredislethe point is he has a reputation as a icky N@z! Or whatever the overblown buzzword of the day is, so his obvious love of the setting and work he puts into his content doesn't matter. /sarc I love how the poster brings up his blackballing from GW as if it actually means something, considering how quick they were to mute / block people for questioning the latest change too hard.
I'm loving the remake of the siege of vraks. Nobody deep dives like his vid
Thanks for the rundown of other options for great minis games. Looking forward to crafting up my Relicblade terrain and minis.
My dad doesn’t work at Nintendo, but I think this whole recent fiasco pangs of ‘any news is good news’ lacklustre marketing.
It’s just sad to witness all these sensationalist knob’eds coming out of the woodwork to sh1t-stir in what to me and hopefully many others has always been a fun loving community that welcomes playing games with anyone, no matter where you or they sit on any spectrum as a common ground in which to break down barriers and unite, for some just in the joy of painting little men to die looking good 😜
It's almost like they didn't see what mra clowns did when there were too many girls in their Star wars movies.
As someone who likes to paint cool miniatures, I dont really care.
When first heard about this, my first thought was, "Does this mean we will get female custodes miniatures?"
The answer is no
Does this mean we will get a cool novel explaining all this?
Nope
I also couldn't think of a worse way to introduce female custodes. Makes me think they are purposefully sabotaging it.
The "always has been" part is probably to allow them to Heresy players.
Because, apparently, there is a wargame about Warhammer 10000 years before.
@user-df5nb8zy7e If they were at least introducing new female models, I would agree.Given there are no plans for female miniatures I'd say they just pissed off a bunch of people for little to no benefit.
Yeah, I already don't care about these kinds of scandals because they're always the same, but here they're pissed off about two sentences in a codex, not even a new miniature range ˆˆ'
Even when it is about stupid topics like this whole "scandal", Your videos tend to cheer me up. Thank You! :)
One Page Rules. There is a reason you are on the Naughty list
That voice though
Oh cool! A model agnostic game that lets me have any race of any gender in my army. Thanks for the suggestion.
Oh to late my guy, you can have female Custodians and Space Marines has been the case for ages. In fact the only even slightly mono-gender army is the all female Battle Sisters army that worship a God Queen who, Cannoncally, Killed OPR's Not God-Emperor for being a freak and got off scott free. Literally ascending to actual Godhood Fighting Daemons while the Clone Betamale of the God King Malds.
@@Bloodthirstier its almost like they didnt change thier lore solely for dei or something
@@SPNKr02 What in the world is DEI?
The same that cry they "didn't gatekeep enough" being gatekept is such a lovely sight.
I think you might be my sister ...... my dad works at Nintendo too!
So here's the REAL question. When are we going to see GW start trying to monetize all this by releasing the SAME custodes models they already sell, and telling their customers there are women under those helmets now, and pretending it's a WHOLE different kit for people to buy now?
We will probably only get head sculpts, which it should be anyways. Genecrsfted warriors have no reason to have secondary sex characteristics also boob armor is literally terrible armor anyways.
@@TheWhimsicalSteve I suspect we'll at least get the woman mentioned in the codex as a single character model with some sort of variations in the sculpt, since this whole hullabaloo has opened up the perfect opportunity for them to do so.
Auspex being yellow for only caring about the tabletop is so goofy. Epitome of "if youre not with us, you're against us" mentality
Isnt the whole point of the yellow section 'youre neither with us or against us'?
(🤔) If proper, *_foundational_*_ Storytelling_ doesn't matter to GW anymore, why should we continue to be invested in The Setting???
And *_iƒ_*_ Femme _*_Custodes_* are so Important & a _potential _*_Money-maker_*_ ƒor GW, _WHY_ didn't they release Femme Custodes (or even just " " Upgrade *Heads* ) to co-inside w/ this new Lore-changed/Ret-con CODEX (??)
*📰NEWSFLASH🗞*
Many *_Intelligent Woman_* (e.g. ⚔Sword & Steel🛡) are against this *_Lazy_*_ virtue-signal Lore Change, and for good reason (& obv. it's __*_not_* because they are *"§exists"* or *"ßigøts"*_ (which is laughable)
Ruin it all for the many, for the benefit of the few, _most_ of which do not even spend/play in the hobby: i.e. "The Audience which does not exist - and *_eschew_* fleshing out an *_EXISTING_* great Female Model Line *SISTER oƒ SILENCE* for one that has *_never_* had females in the setting for over 4 decades & since 40K's Lore & Setting inception. * )
( * Pure, unadulterated *_ÇRlNGE._* ) (** And I also....am a 40K Hobby Vet, since 1995 )
dont tell bro about the prince of the ogdobekh dynasty
No, yellow was for "neutral".
He should be in green list
That list is honestly kind of a subscribe list. 😂 If they are in the same bucket as Discourse, Dana, and Goobertown and make some insecure man-children angry they are lilely worth at least checking out.
Female Inquisitors wear power armor sometimes, so that doesn't make sense even then.
The issue with space marines isn't the power armour, it's that they're very inhuman mutants and it's been long estabilished that this process only works on barely-teen males, since it hijacks the regular development process (and produces stuff like extra hearts)
The rumour goes (and I'm not saying I necessarily believe it) that Amazon wanted a female marine, GW and Henry said 'no, that's against the lore, how about a Sororitas instead?', Amazon didn't fancy that as too religious (dumb if true, have they even met the Imperium?), GW/Henry said 'ok, how about an Inquisitor then?', Amazon said 'no, we want her to still be superhuman out of the armour', so GW/Henry held their noses and offered a Custodes as a compromise.
@@PreceptorGrant If that's the case then I'm doubly angry at Amazon as either an inquisitor or an Adepta Sororitas would have been an amazing choice. I really enjoyed how the latter for instance was written in the recent Rogue Trader RPG which I loved in its entirety.
@@VladimirE.-is2ee Yeah, if it's true then Amazon have a lot to answer for. But that's a big if. We may never know the truth. I'm not about to start rage-mobbing anyone without something more concrete than a 4chan denizen's word, or Arch's 'friend at Amazon says his friend at Amazon says'
And yes, all the love for Sister Argenta. I gave her Kick and Martial Arts, plus every other extra attack I could find. She's an absolute bolter-beast now.
@@VladimirE.-is2ee Wasn’t talking about marines at all there Cpt. Non Sequitur.