It's great to get this kind of story- where a huge problem like the destruction of the coral reef eco systems can be solved with fences and understanding- Kyle Thiermann does a great job making connections that are easy to understand and fun to watch.
Gabriel Dylon I don't remember where but I've definitely heard of pigs living and swimming around remote islands. Look it up they are actually very good swimmers.
70% a year? That sounds like an opportunity for Hawaii to make sausages and sell to the world. Profits should go to helping supporting the coral reef. So important for our world. Our seas are our life.
Awesome story. I think you guys do a really good job discussing the complexity of the issue on all sides. Not to mention everyone in this video is super attractive.
I enjoying seeing two seemingly unrelated events: Coral Bleaching and Feral Pigs, related and distilled into a palatable 5 minutes. If you have a serious beef with the idea that these two events can be related, I suggest you go look for peer reviewed publications or other more in depth resources. This piece is clearly meant to pique your interest to dive deeper not to be a definitive primary resource. Further, arguments from "Common Sense" on large scale ecosystem phenomenon like this are nearly worthless. Keep the healthy skepticism folks and then use that to educate yourself. Thanks Kyle for an entertaining introduction to the complicated dynamics of Island Ecosystems.
Yes, I live in Nevada and there are a lot of Wild Horses here which are 100% not a native species to the state of Nevada and are actually not even native to the U.S.A. either. These mammals put multiple motorists in danger every week and are damaging the desert ecosystems here. Unfortunately the state government here isn't doing anything about the problem and has made it illegal for any civilians to hunt and/trap any of these horses too.
Nutria rats imported from south America destroying the Louisiana coastline. They are also extensively hunted, but it's proving difficult to keep up with the destruction they cause. They burrow into the mud to get at the vegetation, and when it rains the soil is washed away.
Hawai'i specific: Introduction of Blacktail Snapper (To'au), Blue-lined Snapper (Ta'ape), and Blue Argus Grouper (Ro'i) from French Polynesia in the late 1950s by the then territorial government to enhance fishing opportunities since Hawai'i had no native shallow water snappers or groupers. TERRIBLE IDEA! These fish today have exploded in population and eating every native fish they can get into their mouths. Also our freshwater streams are being overrun by non-native species from around the world due to amateur aquarium hobbyist who give up their hobby and dump their fish in our streams. Our native gobies and shrimp are in great danger of extinction. Axis deer on Maui are taking over the landscape adding to the goat, and pig population problem. Impossible to keep population in check because the vast majority of deer, goats, and pigs are on private land, and landowners refuse access for various reasons including liability.
hardy kiwi vines are currently strangling 3 acres of Lenox MA, in addition to our terrible opioid crisis and being an economically depressed county, Berkshire county has enough invasive plant species that you could easily take your pick. Bittersweet and grapevine are actually damaging electrical poles in our town. Wild roses and black raspberries grow in abundance in the summer time. So there are a number of wild edible invasive plants (not bittersweet, thats not food) and a number of poor families, homeless, mentally ill and addicts in our town that need food.
Wild boars have lived in Hawaii for 1,500 years now, making them native. The issue is that there are too many wild boars in Hawaii now, not that there are wild boars. There are too many because they no longer have any predators - humans.
I'm aware of an invasive species! There is this mouse in my house with half it's tail missing. I named it, The Legend of the Half Tail Mouse. I've been at war with him since I moved in my house. He's been on a steady gain and winning victory after victory. It is an invasive species and I need help! I've poisoned it, used glues traps and even shot it with my air rifle. The bastard knows how to do the matrix shit!
I don't know what the impacts is on the ecology but.... in Amsterdam they have wild parrots now. Someone held them in captivity and released them in the 70's. And they now still live and breed in the city.
This is a comment by Mickey Larsen: Killing is a nasty business! When Burt Lancaster, in the movie, "Valdez is Coming" is asked by his nemesis, "How long you been hunting Apache?", his response was, "Long before I knew better." I lived in Appalachia in the 70's and helped my neighbor, 'Ole Man Stout, kill and dress pigs. "Long before I knew better!" These pigs were raised for food by poor subsistence living country folk. We shot them in their pens with a .22 caliber rifle from a distance of one to three feet. We aimed for the center of their foreheads. One eighth of an inch off would have caused that same pig to run around squealing for half an hour. Now imagine a small redwood splinter under your skin. It hurts! Transpose that thought to a two or three foot steel tipped arrow launched from an expensive high tech compound bow into the flesh of a ferrel pig. Chances are a hunter may have to follow the blood trail for hours to catch up with the wounded and tortured animal. Killing is a nasty business! Are there alternatives to killing ferrel pigs in Hawaii? Maybe ... and they might be expensive. Relocation? How about imposing a tax on the over populated Hawaiian tourists specifically for the relocation of the pigs? Another possibility might be a" catch and release" surgical reproduction procedure to keep the population of the pigs in check, one similar to programs with ferrel cats. A question to ponder is how much of the sedimentation caused by pigs is actually responsible for destroying the reefs? Can this be quantified scientifically? Overall, I applaud Kyle's ecological and environmental activism. But posing for the camera with a dead pig across your shoulders under the banner of reef protection is less social activism and more narcissistic machismo. Yes! I am a vegetarian. Yes! Killing is a nasty business. Mickey
Katie Larsen they’re still decimating native flora and fauna on land, relocating them is impractical and not a system built to last they have to be killed, just a harsh reality. There’s no gentle way to go about this feral pigs are s menace in the Continental US and Hawaiian archipelago as well as other land masses on which they don’t belong. Whether you like it or not coral bleaching is just another one of the detriments the pigs are causing in the islands.
Nisse Tomtesson how would it? Predators would control the pig population... They only kill when they have to, they don't kill for sport like we do. Plus only a certain amount can control a certain territory. Do your research, study predators behavior.... Watch some animal documentaries
They may not eat the pigs but instead find an easier prey; invasive species almost always cause some unforeseen problems. And some animals, like the domesticated cat, do hunt for sport even when they are well fed.
keyron Campbell Invasive predators can severely reduce the population sizes of native species or even drive them extinct. If you think the solution is that simple you're the one needing to do some research.
You should do a video about invasive species in Guam. Brown tree snakes and rhino beetles are the most prevalent, but just recently the greater banded hornet has unfortunately made it's appearance here.
could you give your opinion about the dutch VeVa, it is a military program for people around 16 and older for the army, would be nice if you give me your opinion about it :)
Can't they sell the meat of these pigs to other places to hurry the process or is it a meat only appreciated on Hawaii? I know the coral reef in Australia is also bleaching it's life away, is there any reef left that didn't suffer that much damage in the world?
I agree! But factory farming is a thing; They can sell cheap meat everywhere. I still think it would be a great idea to have these be Hawaii's bacon source for a good while.
Thegreatjon88 Hawaii being a tropical island receives a lot of rain. If there's too much soil layer covering the reefs in continuation, the reefs will not be able to get adequate sunlight which results in them eventually dying off.
Golden Trout I know but that's not what I'm saying. I mean what's a bunch of holes going to do when dirt is going to be swept up anyways from the ground?
Thegreatjon88 The foraging of the pigs make them dig up soil across the fields which adds up to a lot. When grass is not present to hold the soil together, it will be easily swept away. Land doesn't erode easily when there are vegetation, so when the pigs dig, the rain easily sweeps it away in large quantities.
thats sad ples hellp that plase i fell so so bad im scerd that the world end ples help that plase i beg you maby make a sine that ses do not kill pigs hellp save the world
Nadie the guy in the video literally asked for it so I tend to disagree with you. Btw I don't know if it's on purpose but your comment is pretty ironic
You can do a better job of saving the reefs by not having kids probably greater effect that way. Go for your eco salvation someplace else, people do more way more harm than animals, Great acting by the way
LOL we introduced the mongoose to kill the rats. All it did was decimate a significant amount of the rare bird population. So introducing predators is not a good idea.
I love how silly humans try to blame the devastation they have caused on wild pigs... They probably contribute 0.00000000000000001% of the destruction. And it's our fault they are there anyway. And this individual coral reef is insignificant compared to global warming and other problems.
Did you watch the same video as me? They explained the effects of sediment on coral reefs, and the way pigs digging around foraging greatly contributes to sediment washed away by rain.
Are you dumb ? Do you know ANYTHING about feral pigs in Hawaii or North America because it seems like you don’t and it’s really cringeworthy, in fact it seems as if you didn’t watch the video at all and are blinded by your vegan agenda Saying a coral reef is insignificant is also another ignorant claim to utter given that the species that live there are found NOWHERE else on earth other than Hawaii
This is why I shake my head at this story. Hawaii has had significant mud run offs before. They coral reefs survive them. It's global warming, pollution and lost of habitat that is endangering the reefs.
Enjoying wild bacon while saving the coral reefs? must be a dream
james Fra ,, Poor excuse to go hunt for pigs.... jus hunt them,, don't blame the destroyed coral on pig..what about lionfish???
@@robertmathurin2544 Hawaii does not have lion fish
It's great to get this kind of story- where a huge problem like the destruction of the coral reef eco systems can be solved with fences and understanding- Kyle Thiermann does a great job making connections that are easy to understand and fun to watch.
Pigs are smart tough and strong they either break through a fence or gets smart enough to overcome it
A pig hunt followed by a Hawaiian bbq luau while saving the coral reefs? Count me in!
Lionfish off the Florida coast eat all of the young natural fish. They have no natural predators in the Gulf. Perfect situation for a Seeker story.
Brian McNay I think they already made a segment
I thought those pigs dive underwater and eat those corals.. and yes I thought this will be my first time seeing a pig swimming :O
Gabriel Dylon I don't remember where but I've definitely heard of pigs living and swimming around remote islands. Look it up they are actually very good swimmers.
That's in the Bahama, but they don't eat coral...
70% a year? That sounds like an opportunity for Hawaii to make sausages and sell to the world. Profits should go to helping supporting the coral reef. So important for our world. Our seas are our life.
Another problem is the every day hunter does not have permission to hunt unless you have money
Awesome story. I think you guys do a really good job discussing the complexity of the issue on all sides. Not to mention everyone in this video is super attractive.
I enjoying seeing two seemingly unrelated events: Coral Bleaching and Feral Pigs, related and distilled into a palatable 5 minutes. If you have a serious beef with the idea that these two events can be related, I suggest you go look for peer reviewed publications or other more in depth resources. This piece is clearly meant to pique your interest to dive deeper not to be a definitive primary resource. Further, arguments from "Common Sense" on large scale ecosystem phenomenon like this are nearly worthless. Keep the healthy skepticism folks and then use that to educate yourself. Thanks Kyle for an entertaining introduction to the complicated dynamics of Island Ecosystems.
Yes, I live in Nevada and there are a lot of Wild Horses here which are 100% not a native species to the state of Nevada and are actually not even native to the U.S.A. either. These mammals put multiple motorists in danger every week and are damaging the desert ecosystems here. Unfortunately the state government here isn't doing anything about the problem and has made it illegal for any civilians to hunt and/trap any of these horses too.
I'd love to help with the hunt. this is the same way my tribe hunts. we give the meat to Elder's or anyone who will need it to survive the winter.
Nutria rats imported from south America destroying the Louisiana coastline. They are also extensively hunted, but it's proving difficult to keep up with the destruction they cause. They burrow into the mud to get at the vegetation, and when it rains the soil is washed away.
Hawai'i specific: Introduction of Blacktail Snapper (To'au), Blue-lined Snapper (Ta'ape), and Blue Argus Grouper (Ro'i) from French Polynesia in the late 1950s by the then territorial government to enhance fishing opportunities since Hawai'i had no native shallow water snappers or groupers. TERRIBLE IDEA! These fish today have exploded in population and eating every native fish they can get into their mouths.
Also our freshwater streams are being overrun by non-native species from around the world due to amateur aquarium hobbyist who give up their hobby and dump their fish in our streams. Our native gobies and shrimp are in great danger of extinction.
Axis deer on Maui are taking over the landscape adding to the goat, and pig population problem. Impossible to keep population in check because the vast majority of deer, goats, and pigs are on private land, and landowners refuse access for various reasons including liability.
Market the pigs as a beauty product.
Well, pigeons are invasive in Europe but I'd rather eat porkchops or bacon...
+Average Joesson absolutely, if anything the film :hobo with a shotgun: have convinced me that it's a great idea
Boula Boulo just get Peruvians to eat them
Birds need no lethal control.
Pigs sometimes need.
Justin and Wayne is awsome
Great video! Thanks for the insight.
hardy kiwi vines are currently strangling 3 acres of Lenox MA, in addition to our terrible opioid crisis and being an economically depressed county, Berkshire county has enough invasive plant species that you could easily take your pick. Bittersweet and grapevine are actually damaging electrical poles in our town. Wild roses and black raspberries grow in abundance in the summer time. So there are a number of wild edible invasive plants (not bittersweet, thats not food) and a number of poor families, homeless, mentally ill and addicts in our town that need food.
Das how Haole boy showing respect on packing that pig!!! I made my friend scale a 10lb UHU after that he was in like flynn!!
Humans is a evasive species 👻
Wild boars have lived in Hawaii for 1,500 years now, making them native. The issue is that there are too many wild boars in Hawaii now, not that there are wild boars. There are too many because they no longer have any predators - humans.
I'm aware of an invasive species! There is this mouse in my house with half it's tail missing. I named it, The Legend of the Half Tail Mouse. I've been at war with him since I moved in my house. He's been on a steady gain and winning victory after victory. It is an invasive species and I need help! I've poisoned it, used glues traps and even shot it with my air rifle. The bastard knows how to do the matrix shit!
I don't know what the impacts is on the ecology but.... in Amsterdam they have wild parrots now.
Someone held them in captivity and released them in the 70's. And they now still live and breed in the city.
Yeah, I know another species threatening reefs nears me....
They're called humans.
Whoever did the editing likes good music. Start the show with Bonobo? I'm in.
Get the kind of round traps used on the mainland and learn how to use them if you really want to save the coral in that area.
This is a comment by Mickey Larsen:
Killing is a nasty business! When Burt Lancaster, in the movie, "Valdez is Coming" is asked by his nemesis, "How long you been hunting Apache?", his response was, "Long before I knew better."
I lived in Appalachia in the 70's and helped my neighbor, 'Ole Man Stout, kill and dress pigs. "Long before I knew better!" These pigs were raised for food by poor subsistence living country folk. We shot them in their pens with a .22 caliber rifle from a distance of one to three feet. We aimed for the center of their foreheads. One eighth of an inch off would have caused that same pig to run around squealing for half an hour.
Now imagine a small redwood splinter under your skin. It hurts! Transpose that thought to a two or three foot steel tipped arrow launched from an expensive high tech compound bow into the flesh of a ferrel pig. Chances are a hunter may have to follow the blood trail for hours to catch up with the wounded and tortured animal. Killing is a nasty business!
Are there alternatives to killing ferrel pigs in Hawaii? Maybe ... and they might be expensive. Relocation?
How about imposing a tax on the over populated Hawaiian tourists specifically for the relocation of the pigs? Another possibility might be a" catch and release" surgical reproduction procedure to keep the population of the pigs in check, one similar to programs with ferrel cats.
A question to ponder is how much of the sedimentation caused by pigs is actually responsible for destroying the reefs? Can this be quantified scientifically? Overall, I applaud Kyle's ecological and environmental activism. But posing for the camera with a dead pig across your shoulders under the banner of reef protection is less social activism and more narcissistic machismo. Yes! I am a vegetarian. Yes! Killing is a nasty business.
Mickey
Katie Larsen they’re still decimating native flora and fauna on land, relocating them is impractical and not a system built to last they have to be killed, just a harsh reality. There’s no gentle way to go about this feral pigs are s menace in the Continental US and Hawaiian archipelago as well as other land masses on which they don’t belong. Whether you like it or not coral bleaching is just another one of the detriments the pigs are causing in the islands.
just bring in a predator.. a cougar or jaguar will help the cause
You don't think that brings more problems to the ecosystem?
Nisse Tomtesson how would it? Predators would control the pig population... They only kill when they have to, they don't kill for sport like we do. Plus only a certain amount can control a certain territory. Do your research, study predators behavior.... Watch some animal documentaries
They may not eat the pigs but instead find an easier prey; invasive species almost always cause some unforeseen problems. And some animals, like the domesticated cat, do hunt for sport even when they are well fed.
keyron Campbell Invasive predators can severely reduce the population sizes of native species or even drive them extinct. If you think the solution is that simple you're the one needing to do some research.
Michael C you don't know what you talking about... You haven't educate yourself or studied anything.
¡Muy interesante! ¡Gracias por la nota! 👍
Yeah, they caused extinction of some native land bird and plants, but i doubt, that they can cause considerable negative impact on coral reefs.
FalconfromRF
Did you not listen to the beginning of the video?
I mean, humans are the biggest threat to coral reefs and the environment... and they introduced the wild pigs. Soooo....
Soooo let all the pigs destroy the islands further since we don’t want to commit mass suicide ? This comment serves no constructive purpose
You should do a video about invasive species in Guam. Brown tree snakes and rhino beetles are the most prevalent, but just recently the greater banded hornet has unfortunately made it's appearance here.
Brazilian Pepper in the Everglades and Hemlock Wooly Adelgia in the Appalachian mountains
we've got californian snakes that are slowly killing rats and lizards that lived here for thousands of wears but they arent a threat to humans
1:55 ... Does he have a clipboard underwater?
On a boat with Noah, lol
The purple flowers in upstate New York are over taking the cattails(the sausages on a stick looking plant) here
in New York we should worry more about Japanese knotweed is killing everything and taking over its one of the most invasive species look around
Make sure we blame capt cook for the pigs just as much as the voyagers lmaaao
Damn vegetarians are destroying our coral. Eat bacon save a reef.
Bacon and Pineapple juice for breakfast everyday!
It's just feel good window dressing unless you plan to fully eradicate them. Any pig you kill by hunting will quickly be replaced.
The only solution is to minimize population, the more residents, the more corals will be destroy due to its waste water.
could you give your opinion about the dutch VeVa, it is a military program for people around 16 and older for the army, would be nice if you give me your opinion about it :)
Can't they sell the meat of these pigs to other places to hurry the process or is it a meat only appreciated on Hawaii?
I know the coral reef in Australia is also bleaching it's life away, is there any reef left that didn't suffer that much damage in the world?
I agree! But factory farming is a thing; They can sell cheap meat everywhere. I still think it would be a great idea to have these be Hawaii's bacon source for a good while.
So, is this from Fukushima?
Awesome! Thanks for the great work you are doing.. Liora
U don't no what you're talking about it's not da pigs u dummy's
So a bunch of holes will ruin the reefs?
Yes as shown on the video. Rain pours and gathers the soil in excessive volumes which adversely affects the reefs there.
Golden Trout yeah but how is that any different from rain mixing with the dirt from the ground?
Thegreatjon88 Hawaii being a tropical island receives a lot of rain. If there's too much soil layer covering the reefs in continuation, the reefs will not be able to get adequate sunlight which results in them eventually dying off.
Golden Trout I know but that's not what I'm saying. I mean what's a bunch of holes going to do when dirt is going to be swept up anyways from the ground?
Thegreatjon88 The foraging of the pigs make them dig up soil across the fields which adds up to a lot. When grass is not present to hold the soil together, it will be easily swept away. Land doesn't erode easily when there are vegetation, so when the pigs dig, the rain easily sweeps it away in large quantities.
Cane Toads in Hawaii and Northern Australaia
You don't think the Fukushima disaster might have a bit to do with it????
Hahahahaha
they should ask the army for help. make a big event or something.
I wonder how Pete feels about this .
it's the so wage and the s as pole they letting in to the water eating the reefs
Axolotl mexican salamander xochimilco
King crab North West of Norway
yes i'm aware of us humans we are the most invasive specie...
thats sad ples hellp that plase i fell so so bad im scerd that the world end ples help that plase i beg you maby make a sine that ses do not kill pigs hellp save the world
And the feral cats?
in Puerto Rico, iguanas are out of hand.
no one cares
Janiel Martell eat them in sure their legs are tasty
Nadie the guy in the video literally asked for it so I tend to disagree with you. Btw I don't know if it's on purpose but your comment is pretty ironic
dudelivestrong That's what the government said and I passed. I think I'll do it again.
Cats in Australia
I highly doubt your theory on feral pigs and the destructive effects they have on the coral reefs here in Hawaii is accurate....
Oh you just straight disrespectful arent ya kid
Feels so wrong.
1%
This is so mean 😭😭😭😭😭😡😡😡😡
Aren't they feral, not wild.
I wish you beacome a wild pig or pig so you can feel the pane
Population of People
lionfish
Bacon mmmm
You can do a better job of saving the reefs by not having kids probably greater effect that way. Go for your eco salvation someplace else, people do more way more harm than animals, Great acting by the way
Has anyone thought about of introducing predators to the island to control the swine population?
Australia has.. didn't turn out well
John Dough I suggest cane toads
It won’t help
LOL we introduced the mongoose to kill the rats. All it did was decimate a significant amount of the rare bird population. So introducing predators is not a good idea.
I mosquitoes eat my feet. fucking sort that out world. sprays aren't worth shit.
Stop blaming pigs for the reef damage the real problem is sun screen and golf courses and run off from highways
I love how silly humans try to blame the devastation they have caused on wild pigs... They probably contribute 0.00000000000000001% of the destruction. And it's our fault they are there anyway. And this individual coral reef is insignificant compared to global warming and other problems.
Did you watch the same video as me? They explained the effects of sediment on coral reefs, and the way pigs digging around foraging greatly contributes to sediment washed away by rain.
Are you dumb ? Do you know ANYTHING about feral pigs in Hawaii or North America because it seems like you don’t and it’s really cringeworthy, in fact it seems as if you didn’t watch the video at all and are blinded by your vegan agenda
Saying a coral reef is insignificant is also another ignorant claim to utter given that the species that live there are found NOWHERE else on earth other than Hawaii
This is why I shake my head at this story. Hawaii has had significant mud run offs before. They coral reefs survive them. It's global warming, pollution and lost of habitat that is endangering the reefs.
How people make excuse to kill!
Good. Now exterminate some superior coral destroyers: Oil Mafia
plant trees where pigs dug, even if these dont dig, water will wash soil to sea because nothing will hold these
Rubbish!!!!!! quit building golf courses and dozing all the land!!!! The spike in people to the islands is the problem.
Angry vegans incoming
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muslims dislike it lol
disgusting. unsubscribe.
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