Super Mario 64 - The Problem with Nostalgia
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2020
- So I was working on this video and then Super Mario 3D All-Stars got announced so that's pretty good luck for me. What a crazy random happenstance.
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BACKGROUND MUSIC (in order of use):
Super Mario 64 Main Theme
Dire, Dire Docks
Super Mario 64 Title Theme
Super Mario 64 - Piranha Plant's Lullaby (Piano)
SOURCES (for gameplay I didn't record myself):
NES Longplay [250] Super Mario Bros (a) from World of Longplays
• NES Longplay [005] Sup...
Backwards Long Jump SM64 from KartKing4ever
• Backwards Long Jump SM64 - เกม
Man you did an awesome job with the drawings and editing here. Idk why but I just got notified. Hopefully youtube starts pushing this to others too
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I'm in a weird place with Ocarina of Time. I can honestly still play it through the eyes of a kid even 20+ years later. I don't worry about restrictions. I just do things the way I want to. Of course it's not the same, though. It lacks the original majesty. Hyrule Field is basically a dead wasteland. I know where all the secrets are. The camera can be restrictive and annoying at times.
But I can still plow through it like I did when I was a kid. I don't worry about the Skultullas. I don't worry about the minigames unless they're _really_ necessary. I don't bother with 100% collecting the heart containers because it'd just be a _drag._
I just sit back to enjoy one of my favorite games.
I 100% that game everytime I play it.
I'm now playing OoT for the first time and I enjoy it a lot. I 100% agree hyrule field is a dead wasteland but most other areas are not. But it's not the graphics that make this game. Despite rage quiting during some sections I keep coming back. It's just a fun game.
I played it for the first time a few years ago on the 3ds, and honestly i was kinda blown away. Imo, there isnt a single game from that generation that has held up perfectly, so i had very low expectations. Its definitely dated, but damn its good, and holds up. I think its the only game of that generation besides Metal Gear Solid that is still a fantastic experience.
@James Gravil I really tried to play it, and i just couldnt get into. I didnt like it, very frustrating for me.
@@TheAlibabatree Nah it's easy. Commonly people hold your opinion before they give it a full attempt
The problem reviewing games online is that there is an obligation to finish a game as quickly as possible. Many games just aren't meant to be finished in 1 or 2 extra long sittings, they were designed to be savored over many sessions. When I was a kid playing SM64DS (the best version) I didn't try to knock out every star in an area for maximum efficiency so I could finish it in time for this week's 10+ minute review to feed the almighty algorithm, I did a few stars here and there, zig-zagging all around the castle to whatever new place I wanted to go to and going back for some later. With school and all, it took me like 2 years to beat, sure, but getting kicked out of a world after every star never struck me as something trying to slow me down or create artificial length because I didn't have to deal with it a hundered times in the span of 7 hours. I'm sure you all can relate to playing this meandering way as kids.
Great perspective, thank you
Exactly, he's tried to get all the stars in a stage then goes on to the next. SM64 just isn't designed specifically to be played like that. Which is probably why he was getting annoyed, I have more fun bouncing from as many different stages as I can. Sure I go back into a stage sometimes but mostly keep it fresh by trying a different stage.
I think we've all forgotten the way we used to play games as kids. Heck, I've probably played the first couple worlds in each Donkey Kong Country game a thousand times because I didn't understand how the save function worked or probably erased the ones that were already there over and over again. I totally meandered through Spyro and Crash Bandicoot, and I barely even remember getting far in Contra. So many games I just played over and over again like this super meanderingly, and I didn't care.
Nowadays I just play through each game to completion because I'm smart enough to learn how the game works. Not because I want to write a "review", but now the way I play games is entirely different. Now, I'm trying to beat the games rather than play them.
I can relate to playing that way for so long that I had to restart (multiple times) because every few months when my little brother decided he wanted to play he would check out what that nifty little "erase" button did.
@PMDP S2806 "always mess up the games out of curiosity?"
*Curiousity*
When SM64 was new, nobody played it with a "focus on one stage and 100% it before moving on" mentality. The developers expected players to do the opposite.
Figuring out where the first level even _is_ was a small challenge. It was normal to try all the doors and read the signs before _finally_ figuring out the level was _in the painting._
After grabbing that first Star, a text prompt tells you that a bunch of doors (which you probably tried earlier) can now be unlocked. Even more options open up at different Star milestones.
Every time this happens, it's an invitation. You can wander away from the level you were just playing, and go explore the exciting new worlds. Why _wouldn't_ you accept that invite?
TL;DR, SM64 is at its best when you meander between levels on a whim, time-waste on your *own* terms, and skip any Stars that don't seem fun to collect.
That is a good point. When I was a kid, I don't think I ever cleaned out all the stars in a single painting one right after another. I just went into the game with an "I want to get a star in this stage today" mentality, and due to that, I didn't even notice that particular bit of repetitiveness. Makes me wonder if that bit of game design is actually bad, or if we've unknowingly been making it more annoying on ourselves this entire time.
And im doing the exact opposite xD
Humm, buddy the "today mentality" Is Just arcade mentality, Is Just another way to play It LMAO, AND THIS Is another problem with nostalgia... TOO nostalgic people lmao
Thats why I think that many of those "in depth" reviews really miss the point. Completing a game 100% is not going "in depth", its just torturing yourself for not enjoying everything a game has to offer. I really don't like Gwent, for ecsample, so I never played it.
And when people complain about "having to scale that mountain over and over again", well, maybe you don't have to finish that world all at once.
You nailed it. 100%ers, 100% game collection obsessed people, competitive gaming and speed-runners have almost destroyed what made gaming great, but that essence is still there for me if I ignore all that stuff.
I have never watched your channel, and you got in my recommended. congrats. also nice vid
Thanks! I'm happy you enjoyed it :)
Whats with the congrats haha, are you that narcissistic?
Abigail ang I was saying congrats for the fact the algorithm recommended him lmao
Same
Abigail ang what are talking about,he’s just congratulating him
To be honest there's a lot of game like this from my childhood I'd give an arm and a leg to experience for the first time again. Some games stay with you for life, but you can only really experience the joy and magic of that first time when everything about them is brand new once. Replaying them can recapture some of that magic but it's never quite the same as it was that first time. Maybe one day we'll figure out how to have that joy again.
How are you going to experience it again if you give an arm though?
This quote sums up my entire experience with hyrule warriors on release. I was on the edge of my seat, awestruck at the many Easter eggs to my favorite games. I adore that game. Oh and, yaaahhhh hyrule warriors 2!!!!
I would say Breath of the Wild is a glowing example of this.
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door.
Eddie Luis underated comment 🤣🤣
Playing Mario 64 again is more frustrating than nostalgic if I’m honest
Edit: funny, his words ring so true to me. Getting 100 coins in each course is much more frustrating than fun. I have 113 stars. Beat bowser and enjoy the game for what it is. Thanks for this
I've gotta say, this video serves as an amazing dissection that Nostalgia and expectations can impact playing through a game, and how the context always matters, for good or bad.
You really had me going in the first half -- in which many of your complaints seemed way too petty for things you shouldn't even be forcing yourself to do -- but then you open yourself up to reveal exactly that. Great job in leading in the mentality you had through the video.
Thanks :) I'm happy you enjoyed it
Good thing he isnt doing a review of mario 64 with nostalgia goggles on lol
Well, I don't think I ever stopped playing games "like a kid" ^^
I mean, I may spent some times on internet watching how to get that or how it's possible to have this, but apart of that, most of my games I played them with one objective: having fun. And so, I skip boring things and lower difficulty if it became too challenging. That's maybe not a gamer thing, but that's how I enjoy video games ^^
I play games like this too, save lowering the difficulty. I stick to the normal difficulty mode and don't usually play anything else. Feels the most natural and balanced to me. Generally I feel like it doesn't take much away, when I have to try a little harder due to it
I usually always play a game on normal fore the first time but when I replay a game, and I do that often I go fore higher dificulties. Becuse of my experience of my first playthrough its not even really harder most of the time.
Ayy same
I usually look up how to get some items and achieve some objectives but other than that I play freely, doing whatever seems fun or interesting. In fact i usually obsess over those items achievements at first because of this.
If a games too hard i lower the difficulty too, i dont care if its not the desired way to play or it makes it a bit too easy, i prefer that to struggling through it though a good middle ground of difficulty is best for me.
Yup - lower the difficulty, skip things I don't wanna do, heck even just not finishing the game at all if it doesn't hold my interest after a while. Life's too short to force yourself to do things you don't like :)
this is a nice reminder of making sure you first of all have fun while gaming, so thank you
the problem with people is that they forget an old game works in old ways. not to mention some people think complete a game 100% = fun, which is not always true
@@JustAWideWeeb that's kind of the point, remember odyssey? where it basically fix that issue, that's why people must remember old games work the old ways, go to and level complete then get sent to the hub. just like happened in smb3 and smw with the map system
The Dark Mario Bros
You are blinded by bias. Let people enjoy games however they want.
I don’t care if Mario 64 works in old ways, if it doesn’t hold up, then it sucks
I think it doesn’t hold up and it’s a smelly turd of a game
@@cumcockproductions6433 I think it's a amazing game, and i have no nostalgia with it.
There are way older games that hold up much better though, like Doom or the 2d Mario games.
It's interesting that I actually had the reverse of this scenario. Back when I was a kid, I could never get into mario 64 despite how cool it looked and how much I would watch my brother and cousin play it I just could not get into this game at all despite how much I wanted to. Fast forward to like 2014 and on a whim I decided to get the game on wii vc and for some reason it just clicked with me more. I don't know what changed and why I suddenly started enjoying it more but suddenly the worlds just felt so nice to move around in, the movement itself was fun and interesting and I didn't even really mind how cryptic some of the stars could be.
I've had this experience with other games too, Star Ocean 3 for instance is a game that I hated when I played it as a kid and still hated it by my second playthrough of it some time back when I got near the end of the story. Now, it's one of my favorite RPG's and not many modern day ones live up to the high regard I have for it and all it does. I guess the things that we play when we're young can also come back and surprise us in ways we wouldn't have known back when we were too young to appreciate what was there.
There’s this one cartoon movie I saw in 2008 (Japanese animation, 2005) that I didn’t completely vibe with then. Now it’s like one of my favorite things ever since going back to it in 2016
growing up I hated nfs prostreet, I found the handling physics annoying and weird, the atmosphere odd and off putting, the way cars were categorized into modes frustrating, and the lack of an open world disappointing. Re-bought it in 2016 and loved it to pieces.
I think it's entirely possible that we all have instances of "reverse nostalgia" every now and then
That's the beauty of human beings
This happened to me with the original Doom games . Never could get into them. A year ago i bought them for the switch (they were just too cheap) and fell in love with them. No nostalgia for me (quite the contrary) and the gameplay still holds up to this day.
Simply put: You rarely ever see gamers playing videogames for legitimate fun anymore. It's quite sad, and I understand what you meant here.
Devil May Cry 3 on the ps2 really messed up my view of games as a kid I was amazed by how many ways you can do the same thing but DMC 3 is a bit of a bad example since the game still holds up aside from the fixed camera
what about among us thats fun
@@WhiteNinja13425 ehh it got kinda old after a month or so. I mean there are still funny moments but it’s not as entertaining to me as it was at first
@@WhiteNinja13425 among us is a bad video game you only enjoy it with other people
@@fkstudios469 you can only play with other dumb hater
People fail to realize that before 64 we had World and SMB3 that were miles better.
And the ones before that were good
There is a similar issue with reviews and takes on TV series, particularly of series from before the modern streaming era. The way episodes are presented is drastically different, as the expectation of binge watching potential simply did not exist. That's why some older shows, even amazing ones, can be hard to sit and watch back to back to back. They aren't designed that way, and aren't paced to accommodate such a viewing method. Shows like Star Trek: The Next Generation can have drastically different and even clashing tones from episode to episode, with characters and actions that seem at odds with each other, yet when viewed from a lens of not perfectly remembering last weeks entire episode or having a cooling off period after tension or character building it often feels more natural.
In old shows, writers were forced to write many episodes in a low time and a low budget. They couldn't afford to plan an entire season from start to end carefully, they had a quota of minimum amount of episodes per season to fill. So, lots of episodes were fillers. Even the best very old series are very inconsistent if you watch all the episodes in a row, guys had to write over 20 episodes per season in a short time, no matter if they 20 episodes were more than needed
to be fair, i have no nostolgia of the game, and i still fucking hated it. which is weird since i love all the original mario games as well as all the 3d ones that came after. the biggest issue was genuinely the camera for me, coupled with some aspects being obscure enough that i needed to look up what had to be done. i enjoyed sunshine infinitely more despite always seeing claims that sunshine does not live up to 64
I think my lack of nostalgia honestly made me enjoy this game more. I played Mario 64 for the first time this past year, as I was born in time to grow up with the Wii and WiiU instead of the N64. My lack of expectations for this game and the N64 in general allowed me to more easily accept their flaws and enjoy what I do like about them. I actually did 100% complete it, but I went in with the expectation that some stars would be frustrating and was pleasantly surprised when I didn't find too many that personally frustrated me. I didn't expect the visuals to blow me away, but I did find that I enjoy the charm of the N64s dated visuals. I had heard that many disliked the controller of the N64, but I came to love it for it's unique design. I never really realized prior to now how much my lack of initial expectations allowed me to enjoy the N64 and Mario 64 as much as I do, but this video has now made this clear to me.
Expectations are a powerful thing. So many of this year's "Mario 64 is garbage now" hot takes seem to be from people going in with the expectation of "The internet/my nostalgia tells me that Mario 64 is the BEST GAME EVER, so if I find any flaws it's overrated and bad." Underneath all the stuff that hasn't aged well, there are plenty of things that can still be enjoyed. The world, the memorable moments like the piano that wants to eat you, the music, Mario's physics, etc.
I wish I had realized this before I went all Angry Reviewer on Ocarina of Time a few years ago.
That's the thing about Nostalgia, it can bring back that special feeling of something you love in the past, or make you realize what you enjoyed in the past isn't going to bring up the same feeling now.
Cant wait for when in 10 years time, Odyssey will be hella Nostalgic.
Odyssey is just okay; not great.
It will never have the same impact Mario 64 did, with the advent of new technology and the 3D gaming landscape. Still a good game though! VR games are the new frontier and will be looked at in 10 years
In my opinion Mario odyssey was really boring, but that’s just me.
Electric Gaming
Enjoy things now. You don’t have to hop on the nostalgia train years later. It undermines the game itself.
I don’t know why everyone thinks Mario odyssey is boring. Maybe it’s just me, someone who never played super Mario sunshine or galaxy until recently, but odyssey was a breath of fresh air. The closest thing I felt like was to what I’ve wanted in a Mario game, like 64 but modern. Mario’s movement on its own is incredible and made me want to play for that fact alone, and Nintendo did really well to reward you for thinking outside the box and going for the impossible looking stars or if you just want to challenge yourself it’s all right there. I had a lot of fun memories with Mario Odyssey and I think a lot of kids today are going to be the same way. But maybe I’m just too easy to please with games, I always go in with an open mind and wanting to understand the mechanics of the game, and want to explore every nook and cranny.
Speedrunning is the reason I still love Super Mario 64. I can see where someone playing it casually for the first time since they were a kid in the year 2020 would find it pretty boring. All the tricks and glitches that go into the speedruns make it way more fun to watch/play for me
this is honestly a beautiful video.
in my case, this game gives me a lot of nostalgia,
i remember playing sm64 ds with my elementary school best friend, the most far i got is getting to the first bowser battle, because i just wasn’t good enough to beat the other stages, now i love to play sm64 (non ds) on my emulator, and im planning to buy a n64 and a mario cartridge ❤️
I can't get over how bad the controls are. When you want to instantly move from left to right, Mario turns around in a small circle, making it very hard to turn around on narrow paths where you can fall off.
To be fair, the DS remake fixed some of the retreading issues from the original, except for the tedium of Dire Dire Docks, Tick Tock Clock, and Rainbow Ride. Although, Tick Tock Clock was made much more bearable due to added floors. An owl was added on Stars 2 and above for Tall Tall Mountain, and a Koopa shell was added to the shore of Jolly Roger bay. Great vid regardless! 👍
The DS remake also added the 'fun' mechanic of having to return to the main lobby, trek through a door, and then through one of 3 other doors to swap from the character you were using just to collect certain stars that didn't have convenient cap locations.
I found the DS version to be inferior just for that frustrating aspect of play. And starting the game off with Yoshi instead of Mario felt very wrong.
TheDaiTenguofFuji
You could always just play as Yoshi and pick whichever Cap you need for any given mission, or just pick on up in the stages when you’re playing as any character once you’ve unlocked them. Mario 64 DS isn’t like Donkey Kong 64 where you’re required to tread back to a designated area to switch out characters. Also, playing as Yoshi for the starting character was quite refreshing, especially with his versatile move-set. I just think a lot of people give 64DS way too much crap and exaggerate many of its quirks and additions.
Callum Sparrow ^^^^^^^
This the version I played, partially cause of nostalgia, but replaying it now as an adult.... it controls better and the phisics are wayyy better even with a dpad. I even got a ds emulator working to try it out with an analog stick and the diference was massive. To this day I prefer the DS remake even if I have to play with a dpad.
The DS version was the one I grew up with and the quality of life improvements are nice but the controls suck.
When I revisit a game a remember adoring when I was younger, it’s not entirely the same. But, there is always a feeling I look forward to - when I play the game for a while, I get this excited feeling inside in spurts from parts I remember. It’s really nice to go back to old favorites and have a goofy smile on your face. (I grew up with Super Mario 3 on the GBA and the Sonic Advance games mostly).
I'm a zoomer, why i'm here lmao
ho Fame I’m sorry, what are you talking about
I didn't have a gaming console when I was a kid, so I would only get to play Mario 64 at friends houses or doctors office waiting rooms and such. So it was always short gaming sessions and a long time between them, which made it so every time I played it was always new and exciting.
Super Mario 64 was the first video game I've ever played. My dad brought it down when I was 3 and that was how I was introduced to the world of video games. It is a very nostalgic game, one I feel very personal towards.
In more recent years, I've grown to dislike nostalgia as an argument, and I've also grown more cynical, pessimistic and critical over games especially when playing with a study-like mindset. With all of this in mind, I still love Super Mario 64. There are some flaws that do hold it back mostly due to when it came out and it's not my go-to 5th Gen 3D platformer anymore (That would be Crash 3, Spyro 3, Tomb Raider and even Toy Story 2 of all games), but there's still a lot about it that holds up. I like its progression structure and how you only really need to play roughly 60% of the entire game to beat it. I also really dig the lack of backtracking that became a problem in 3D collectathon games of the time, and the level design is still superb with a clear increase in challenge and variety. It's not a game I play frequently like I used to, but nonetheless is a game I still think has aged well.
As much fun as I'm having playing Mario 64 for the first time...it really shows that its the first 3d game. I wanted to pull my hair out from how much I have to faneggle just to read a sign, or talk to someone, or grab an object. I remember playing the ds version and thinking it was just hard due to the d pad restriction, but its just...easy to die. The camera is super finicky which makes maneuvering something I have to fight the game for occasionally (something people crucify Sonic Adventure for, by the way, which is in full display in Mario 64.)
Despite my criticisms...I can't get mad at it? The music and levels are wacky and fun, jumping is smooth as butter, and running, while not as fluid as later games, is still a joy. For what was growing pains for 3d gaming as a whole, it does a great job just being a fun game.
The first time I played Mario 64 was the remake on the Nintendo DS because I grew up with a PlayStation, so when I played the original game I was disapointed because there was a lot of missing features, no Luigi, no Yoshi, no Wario, no king boo, no goomboss, no mini games...
I just prefer 64 DS, people just shit on this game because of the D-Pad but honestly, what is a d-pad compared to a bunch of new content? there's a mod that adds 360 movement to the game so you can bypass that issue
That’s… actually a very mature perspective.
Thank you for stopping to think for a moment about why you felt the way you did instead of giving the game the Sonic Adventure/Pokémon Gen 1/Super Mario Sunshine treatment. Yes, these games are old. Yes, these games are flawed. But in the end, they did make a lot of people’s childhoods and they did so for a reason. It really does depend on your approach and I think internet critics are ruining this in a way. They go into these games with a certain approach and their viewers often just take on that same approach without question instead of just experiencing the game for themselves and making up their own mind. This also leads to people developing kind of a constant need of having strong „opinions“ on things they probably really couldn’t care less about.
If I had a nickel for every time I ran into somebody saying that Sonic Adventure 2 is „a crappy game that has aged poorly and only 1/3 of the game is remotely fun“ without actually having played the game and then backpedaling when pressed on their opinions(„It’s just a crappy game from a crappy franchise, why would I care that much?“ or the classic „Just watch Reviewer XY‘s review of it.“), I would be able to afford a physical copy of TTYD by now.
I don’t see why the general consensus needs to inevitably turn on those games and claim they’re suddenly the worst thing ever, for the most part for flaws that can be accounted to the game simply being old and not living up to the expectations set up by people who are extremely nostalgic for them. And it’s fine to just not give a shit about a game you don’t really care for as well.
Sonic adventure 1 and 2 haven’t even aged badly it’s just sonic hate :P
If someone were to unironically backpedal by saying "it's a crappy game from a crappy franchise, why would I care that much?" My thought/ response probably would be
"Well you clearly care enough to post your opinion on it online for the whole world too see."
@@raidoukuzonoha883 Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 have aged badly, but are still fun to play.
Harmon Forbes they’ve not
Harmon Forbes they’ve aged better then banjo kazooie and Mario 64
Excellent, and I mean EXCELLENT video on this game. You proved how nostalgia isn’t always everything and how it might not always mean the game is a masterpiece but that it can also shape how you enjoy it. Mario 3D World was one of my favorite games when I was younger and after 100%ing it multiple times I realized it was a lot more fun to not go for every green star and stamp and instead play the game how I played it; racing my friends through the levels, not worrying about completing it fully.
I played this game two years ago for the first time. It is still good.
This was beautifully written! I very much enjoyed your FRESH take on this. Couldn’t have set it better myself. It IS unreasonable to expect these games from my childhood to bring me back all the way. Thank you
I love super Mario 64, I played it when I was 4 at my aunts house, the smell of incents burning and the pure joy of getting to play the N64. I remember Jolly Roger bay, the music, the beauty, I remember Bomb-mob battlefield, the dessert, and the lava level. I played 3D all stars and oh boy all of it came back, I loved the game, and I still see all of the magic that was there with the game, I boot the game up and I’m taken right back to those places. Not only that playing the game for me is a blast, I go through each level knowing there’s going to be something familiar around the corner. Each turn is a surprise of nostalgia, that’s what makes the game fun for me. Even when I can’t beat the penguin in a race, even when I see the same places again, I see my childhood
I never blinded myself to awkward cons of 64 and sunshine but they don't cancel the pros. As hard as the annoying parts are the game is still super fun. I love when you fail however you have to start over. Makes it feel earned when you finally do it. Even if is super tedious to get through
IMO sunshine is way better than 64
Sunshine has : better levels, better controls, better story
@@cumcockproductions6433 I agree sunshine needs more love.
I've recently replayed Sunshine, and I didn't enjoy it that much. A lot of cleaning with little of it tied to interesting platforming challenges.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 i played it in December and thought the opposite. Platforming by itself isnt what i come to mario for anyway. The story and characters i come. I prefer busy work to platforming anyway
Honestly, both games don't age well in there gameplay department. I will always respect for trying. But I didn't think 3D Mario games hit in the right core of the gameplay till Galaxy and onwards.
Well said. Sometimes I go back to old games to get that "pure" feeling again. It doesn't always work, but in cases where it does, I end up playing them as if it's brand new again, with just a little muscle memory on the side.
My most recent revisit is Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door, and I've found even more appreciation for it now, right down to the menu interfaces (seriously I can still stare at its menu interface all day lol). That's one thing about Nintendo, they usually get presentation on point and it brings you in just looking at it sometimes.
I didn’t ever play this one first. Sunshine was my childhood because i didn’t have an N64 growing up so the appeal for SM64 was never really a game i had any motivation to play. I’ll probably give it a play when i get 3D all stars but i never really cared for it until i started looking into speedruns
You never played Mario 64 DS?
PipeGuy64Bit i did not, my older brother had it but never let me play it
@@parcival3016 Ah I see. If you did than I would completely relate to the order you played these games in. I myself was never into SM64 just from the physics and controls and I wasn't that big on the DS remake further than the initial time I played it as a kid.
here's a tip to move faster in water: Try moving from side to side and all around. Much more swift
finally this is what i always thought with pokemon
Love your video this is so true and not many people sees it that way. I'm 47, i went through the same nostalgia issue every time i played an old game. And i too discovered at one point, that if you play the way you played as a kid, by simply trying to beat the game, and not trying to achieve a 100% completion or a speed run like the pros we see on youtube, your rediscovering the «having fun» factor you had when you we're a child. That's it ! And that's what's video game is all about ! FUN. Cheers !
Nostalgia can be a good powerful feeling for playing games that you loved in the past but now when you replay the same game now you tend to feel underwhelmed because you already know where all the secrets are and know how all the levels end and how to beat the game it's just wow
One of the biggest reasons I really can't enjoy games I've played before is
I've been a completionist of games I like since I was younger, so, ive always inevitably experienced everything a game has to offer, and on a first run, that is quite fun
It feels like doing a lot of different and exotic things for the first time
Not to mention fun challenges if a level is somewhat hard
But then years later, if I try to play a game again, I remember everything I need to do to progress, I'm no longer "exploring" I'm now just "moving through" an area to get to my objective
And that is... Not fun, especially on games like these that are already quite linear despite being 3D
Man this is such a real and amazing video, especially when 3D All Stars is tight around the corner. Just the way this video was executed I was instantly hooked. I’m not sure when exactly I subbed to you but damn this video hit home runs. Glad I was able to find you.
Thank you :) I'm happy you enjoyed it so much
I love that you’re doing gaming content too now, great videos as always!
Couldn't agree with you more. When I first heard of Super Mario 64 coming out on switch I was excited and happy, not because I could finally complete it 100%, but because I could relive my favorite childhood moments. Those days playing Nintendo 64 with my dad as a kid was the best days.
You were in my recommend and now you made me a subscriber, great vid and honestly this is how I felt about Super Mario Sunshine mostly with the secret levels but it's like you said having 0 expectations and playing like you used to can bring the memory and love for the game back
No matter how you rank the games in 3d all stars, one thing is clear: the newest game in that collection is the one that aged the best.
Yeah
I never had nostalgia with this game because I only started playing it about 2 years ago and I love it to this day! Best Mario game ever to be honest!
I don’t know why but this was emotionally moving. Towards the end tears welled up in my eyes...
I really enjoyed this video, thank you 😊
Thank you for this. Recently I went back and replayed it too and I was shocked by how little fun I felt I was having with this game that I would play all the time as a kid. I guess I didn’t realize that Mario 64 is magic because we remember all the good aspects of the game and forget the tedium I wouldn’t have dealt with as a kid the way I would now. By only playing it’s highlights, that magic can come back in a way. Good video.
I see exactly what you mean. I see this a lot with the pokemon games I play now. As a kid, I just played casually and didn't care about teams. I just used what I wanted, didn't know about pokemon natures or evs. I just caught what I thought was cool and went through the games.
Nowadays I know what all those things are and try to make the "best team possible" and wonder why I don't enjoy the games as much. Now that I have all this knowledge of how to "properly" play the game it's ruining my perception of it. It taught me that pokemon isn't fun when you're going out of your way to have a "perfect experience" but for me I had the most fun when I was casually going through it. Now I'm trying to reteach myself how to play the games more casually so I can have the same experience I did as a kid. Also thanks for this great video 👍
That depends of the game. I noticed certain games are not really good (KANTO specially) while others were just incredible games even after replaying it (HG/SS and B2/W2 which I didn't play until recently). That latter point is what make me dissapointed about the franchise nowadays, because they can make so much with the franchise like in the DS era, yet they decide to improve nothing and substract in some corners. To me is not nostalgia, it's incompetence.
@@N12015 I see what you're saying. I was just referencing my own experiences with how I play now versus as a kid. I was just mentioning how as an adult I am trying to hard to play the correct way (having perfect natures, ev training, ect.), and that now I'm trying to take it a bit less seriously and just play pokemon casually again.
However it definitely is frustrating when Nintendo takes out features we enjoy. They need to find a balance between introducing new features and keeping the old ones.
@@CharificGames Sadly we cannot ask Gamefreak too much. They're not great at making quality content or even using the features given by creatures inc.
But after all, we're talking about the same company who had to use around 120 Lylies instead of 2 because they cannot reuse memory (talking about lolicon), has Wailords smaller than their trainers, cannot have a decent framerate with almost static models, made OoT threes and absurd poping in a 2019 game, made Piers not singing but moving his mouth and hearing him tapping (Seriously, in B/W we had the bridge village and in B2/W2 we had that and Roxie. Make him saying "Y. E. L. L." would be enough), and even a mouse in the credits.
@@N12015 We're talking about two different things. I'm not saying Gamefreak doesn't make mistakes I'm talking about recapturing the enjoyment I had as a kid by playing games more casually.
No completionist run is fun the whole time, especially when you try to get er done as fast as possible
I didn't have the same negative experience when playing it again. I enjoyed it and I felt a lot of the same awe. The game was made in 1996 and when I went from the SNES to the N64 it was so amazing to me, and many of those games are still great, like Super Mario 64.
This was such an awesome video. It was able to incorporate so many feelings and contemplations I've had whilst playing this game and others ones, but this one recently. I think you hit every point spot on. Nice fuckin' job m8
A hot take on super Mario 64. OH BOY LEETS GOOOO
You mean LETS-A GOOOO
@Don't Talk Zoomer true
@Ferniand Von Edgy hotel Mario is a gift from god
Bruh Mario 64 sucks
Ngl. I have no nostalgia with Mario 64 when I firsted started playing it 2 months ago and I had the same exact problems.
To me its still exactly the same I remember it.
Something I tend to do with open-world games is I play with the mindset that I cannot move on until I have 100% completed the area that I'm currently at. Because of this, the majority of open-world games I play I don't enjoy. The most recent open-world game I liked was Breath of the Wild, and that happened to be one of the few games I didn't get tired of once.
There's a lesson to be learned here...
Definitely agree the same feel won’t ever be back but replaying an old game you enjoyed as a kid is a lot more fun if you don’t go into it with an adult mindset of trying to perfect it every time and get frustrated.. just enjoy the journey and everything the game has to offer to your inner child..
This is me with Sunshine. I have so much nostalgia for Sunshine, but honestly, the game's progression system just kind of destroys it. But if I try to play the game the way I originally played it, that is playing the levels I loved over and over again, then it's great.
Yeeeeeeah, back then when I played Sunshine I assumed that it playes like SM64 where you need a certain amount of Shines to unlock the final stage. The game is much, much better if you pretend that's how it works lol.
I never had nostalgia for this game. But I still found it fun, especially speedrunning it
God tier. Thank you for this profound look on this timeless classic. Also a look into ourselves. And a perception that we should look at of all our favorite games. To be a kid again see things in there eyes
This was such a well written video man!!
Very different perspective on Mario 64 than other reviews around on youtube!!
Keep killin it!
The first time I've played Mario 64 was the DS version, and it's still enjoyable to this day! But unfortunately it was the last Nintendo console I've bought. And i still do playing with it sometimes, with games like Advance Wars for example!
Cause the modern market is missing some games like this, especially on Console! This might maybe the reason why I'm playing less games over the year, cause not many games kept me interested over a long time but maybe its just my mood!
And my genre's are: Action/Arcade/Sim Sport, Hero games like Batman/Infamous and more are coming in the future, Racing, Open worlds, Trials, Shooter, Action adventure, jump & run!
And if the stuff is animated it intrigues me more! Not only because i like the cartoonish artwork and style which is relatively rare in games, it ages much better...
I don't like the DS version but I respect your opinion
Mario 64 DS is a lot better than the original game, so you experienced the best version of it.
@@They_are_Arthur I have the n64 and ds versions and I prefer the ds version
@@They_are_Arthur damn you got some balls for saying that
@@TheInferno0099 why it uses crappy controls on the ds
Thumbnail: shows how we remember the game vs how it really looks
Me: these images are exactly the same.
Mario 64 sucks
I think you have come across some deep thoughts there. What you said is useful in so many areas. I sometimes feel like as you grow up life starts to feel kind of dull, and I realize that's not fair. I am living more now than as a child, so the way things impacted me had more to do with me being more laid back about things and lacking preconceptions. Thans for this video mate, hope you touch more topics like this!
Thank you for making this video I really enjoyed that I have a 64 console from when my dad was in high school and when my siblings and I started playing it it was really fun and we love to play it and I needed to watch this video. Thank you :)
Real curious about that TTYD script I saw there. Interested to see which side you lean towards regarding the game.
Ill be the judge of this when the 3d all stars comes out lol. I havent played any of those games for a while so maybe ill experience something like you
As someone who played the game on the DS this is the most relatable review of the game (even if a different version) of how relatable playing the game felt after coming back to it.
I loved this!
Nice review man. Perspective and how you play can be huge
gonna get ready for bed, so i'll watch it in a few minutes, but i already know, this is going to be great by the first 10 seconds ^^
Skyrim is a lot emptier than I remember
Such a well edited, well written, well spoken review. Definitely gonna check out more of your videos!
I’m astounded by how accurate this is to me - even in ways I didn’t realize could be put into words until watching?? - just replace “64” with “Sunshine”. All the same feelings. So determined to finally beat it, since I couldn’t back then, that every frustration is magnified. You explained it really, really well.
I had a somewhat similar experience with this game recently when I replayed it on the PC port that was leaked. Although I wouldn't say I got as frustrated as you, I initially went into it with the mindset that I had to 100% this to get the full experience and quickly realized that I was just going through a bunch of frustration to get that 1 extra star that in the grand scheme of things doesn't really matter when I can already just go straight to the final Bowser level and beat the game.
It's funny, it seems like modern games have trained us to feel like we have to consume all the content, and break it all down to a science to consume it as quickly and efficiently as possible, especially because so many games can be rather bloated in length nowadays. In contrast, games like SM64 were really meant to just allow the player to make their own experience and figure things out through exploring and experimenting, not methodically consuming. The simple freedom of controlling Mario in 3D was a huge innovation in itself back in the day, so the game leaned in hard on that.
Also having recently played A Hat in Time which is such a phenomenal platformer, seeing it side-by-side with Mario 64 in contrast made me realize the genre has actually come a long way. Though Mario 64 still has some things going for it that to this day I don't think any other game has captured, and don't know if they ever will. It was just a special thing that is hard to replicate. It still has its place and is worth playing, even if it has a few more warts than I remember.
If anything, I think that this highlights how being a completionist just isn't for everyone, and some games are better for it than others. 100%ing a game really makes you notice all of the tedious shit and flaws in an otherwise great game, so unless a game is borderline perfect or you have a lot of tolerance for bullshit, you're not always gonna have a fun time. This isn't just a Mario 64 problem. I've had the same experience with plenty of modern games (especially open world ones) that make 100% completion absolute hell and make me want to just call it quits at the ending.
I never played this game when I was young and completing it still pissed me off, it really is just awful to complete
Man I thought you would burst in tears at the end
Perspective is very important
Super Paper Mario is a game that still holds up 11 years after first playing it. The story is great for a Mario game, the music is great, and it can be funny sometimes. I still love it as much as I did as a kid and it’s still nostalgic. Sometimes when I play a game from my childhood so much, it loses its nostalgia factor. The nostalgia is still there but not quite as much. Maybe if I play a certain game again after a massive break, it gets its nostalgia factor again. That’s what happened with Mario Party DS. I played it a lot in more recent months but then it just became a chore to play. Maybe now the nostalgia is back since I’ve taken a long enough break.
Dire dire docks' music is so incredible I can't be upset at it
I never asked why when playing this originally.
So why ask yourself these questions this second time? Because you're reviewing the game and trying to "get through" instead of appreciating the experience.
Just think that this is what happens for many games by "professional" reviewers.
Yep
HeroC14 I just see that as critiquing. It might cost some fun, but if you want to make a fair review it's a sacrifice you could make for one playthrough.
Never realized before how much "Piranha Plant's Lullaby" sounds like "Time Adventure" from the Adventure Time finale. Great video, excellent perspective.
This explains why I still love Super Mario 3D World the same I did all those years ago I got my Wii U on my birthday. I’ve seen better games before it but the atmosphere it creates and the amount of personality it throws at me still hits me the same way it did all those years back when I got picked up from school early to purchase my Wii U with my dad.
I hope he never plays grand thef auto, that game is literally going from point a to point b and back from point b to point a
The series was kinda ruined for me when a friend pointed that out years ago. I never saw it that way before, thought everything had reason and the story was proper, but alas.
As a completionist myself, I feel this difference frequently. But as much as I call myself a completionist, I bet more hardcore completionists would call me a liar. See, I only complete so far as it keeps the game going and fun. The second it starts to get tedious, boring, or frustrating beyond just a good challenge, I call it good enough. I "completed" Pokemon Y. My dex is filled out except for legendary pokes from other gens and event-only pokes that I missed. It's not worth the fight or giving away my favorites just to trade for those last few who will most likely be cheated in versions. Same with Chibi-Robo. Finding all the doors became tedious even with a guide. So I just did the side story bits and called it done. The point of playing a game is to have fun. So if you aren't having fun, stop.
This is a great view on old videogames that I never thought about. Thank you for this new perspective!
I finished a 120 star run of this game and man, the game really becomes a boat load of stress if you attempt to play it like that. I'd say the best route for 100%ing the game is unlocking every level with as few stars as possible and then alternating between different levels in order to collect the stars, keeping the environments different and goals interesting.
Super Mario 64 has aged POORLY.
Personally I just couldn't get into Mario 64 I can only finish the game by doing the 16 star speedrun. I'm just not a fan of the (understandably) dated controls and physics that I don't wanna endure collecting 70 stars. I wish they remastered it and gave it better controls and physics because no I don't like playing the DS remake either.
I didnt really share your experience, Mario 64 may very well have been the first video game I ever played and when I went back to it a few months ago, i still found it to be a masterpiece, but this may very well have been because I was expecting that it may not be as good as I remember and I already knew of the many complaints people had with this game, like the camera. So, I think my expectations going back to it were lower and as a result, I had a much better experience. Instead of thinking: "this is going to be the greatest game I've ever played" I was instead thinking: "it's so amazing that they were able to do this back in the 90s." And that gave me a sense of magic similar to what I had as a kid.
man what a great video and I totally get where you are coming from cause even though I owned a nes and snes I never owned a nintendo 64 and I only played this game while borrowing the system and game from other people and remember having great memories but upon replaying it later on yeah not so much it was only later when I got it for the ds that I started to really enjoy it once again it's funny how nostalgia can go both ways even though people don't often talk about it doing so
Nostalgia is not the problem. The issue is YOU. I also had a magical experience with this game as a kid, but playing a decade later, it’s still fun and nothing about it annoys me. You are simply not playing the game correctly.
Holding onto those nostalgia goggles, eh?
@@mariodelrio2387 What nostalgia are you referring to exactly?
@Physical It's not bait. I am expressing a legitimate and valuable point of view about an obviously timeless and high quality game that still surpasses today's games.
It has a special place in gaming history but it's important not to confuse that historical value with game-play value.
I got my N64 a few years after my PS1 so I'd already played other collectathon platformers based on this like spyro 2 by the time i touched it, so it wasn't as special for me. I didn't really like it on N64 (too hard for me at the time, partly because of the awkwardly bulky controller) but when i got it on DS as a late teen i absolutely loved it, dunno what that says about nostalgia. I dunno how many issues like the camera got fixed on the DS version.
I've had the strange experience of loving something on my first experience, then disliking it due to disappointment when i play it a second time, then loving it again when i play it later without the inflated expectations
This seems less a "nostalgia" issue and more a "trying to review the game so feeling obligated to do the optional bits" issue
Nice video. As for me I never have this issue tbh, sure I hold a lot of nostalgia for a lot of games but I always know if I would like it now or not, and the ones I do know I still would like I have replayed, still play to this day sometimes and bring me a lot of joy still, SM64 is one of them, along with SA2 (which I only mention because people won't shut about the adventure games being bad now people liking it only because of nostalgia), the 1st spyro trilogy which I went back on when it got released on the ps3 and replayed it like once every year after that until the reignited trilogy came out, plus a lot of other games.
This video perfectly sums up why I play games the way I do. I may not be the smartest, fastest, best, or any other metric at my gaming, but I strive to just sit down and enjoy the experience with that childlike wonder and exploration.
"youre playing it wrong" is a sentiment i see a lot here and
you could not be more wrong. It does not excuse repetition, padding , and frustrating level design.
Get off your high horse.
great video man. i expect great things from you.
I feel like Mario wasn’t meant to be a “try hard” game more for casual random fun so being critical and not enjoying the game for what it is will definitely down the mood of the game.
i think some games have aged like fine wine with speedrunning and that sm64 might actually be better than i remember
Interesting take on this. I’ve had a similar experience playing Mario 64 this week that it’s not exactly the perfect game I remember (though I was a teenager when it first came out). Still having a blast playing it again, but there are some things that haven’t aged well. Great video, man!
Mario 64 is just wow hard to play. It is very, very dated. If I'm gonna play another 3D platformer from that period, I will play Sonic Adventure
On me, I get nauseous from the camera and didn’t have much fun with it
@@King_Boo_5 probably the worst part of the 3D all stars collection. First time playing it and I just couldn’t get into it
@@thebestofthebest5724 sonic adventure has aged way worse in my opinion.
Call me fake fan but i actually hate Mario 64, it's soo clunky, slow, waird, trippy and in overall controls are terrible to me. I would prefer 64 remaster than emulator on switch
That’s you’re opinion that doesn’t make you fake
After playing Souls games for the past couple of years, going back to Majora's Mask was painful.
What's worse is that it also used as a way to say a blue speedy animal had a rough transition to 3D.
I was born in 1982 and I figured out all the stars on SM64 back in the early N64 days, I learned to deal with the camera angles back then, so today, if I go back, I know exactly how to do that again. I think because your experience was different, having limited access to the game, your memory about it was more fond and thus more jarring to return to.