in my opinion the most sexiest looking of all twin engined fighter aircraft, the me 410 truely is a beauty and I´d never thought i would hear the sound of this thing. I really hope that some day this fantastic machine can take to the skies again.
The best Luftwaffe Destroyer, but again, she came too late to have any impact on the war, and also the Me-410 the last of its kind! this is an amazing aircraft with amazing sound! Fantastic Vid of this rare piece in aviation!
I know I’m late to the party, but the RAF Museum’s Me 410 isn’t the last one left. The Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in America has one as well, though to be fair, the RAF Museum’s example is the only Me 410 on display, while the Smithsonian’s example is in storage, and has not been on display except for guided tours of the storage facility that it’s in right now.
You're never late to the party mate. I'm the user who posted this comment originally, at the time I did believe she was the last 410 in existance. However as you said she's not re-built and is in storage, same as the Ta-152 and Ho-229 aircraft. It'd be nice to see the American example and others re-built to complete status.
I was a member of the Aerospace Society too, in the 80's, I spent many a happy hour working on this beauty, was gutted when it was moved.I once found a letter written in German under the pilots seat, when translated, it turned out to be pornographic. Later, i worked on the Bf110G, Fw190S-8 and He162 at Hendon.
+Mike Shilton What you say about working on this Dora doesn't make any sense. When Doug Champlin bought the plane in 1972 the seat was missing. Champlin contracted an aircraft restorer whose wife worked for Messerschmitt aerospace in Germany, and the plane was shipped to Germany and restored from 1972 to approximately 1975. There is a photo of Champlin sitting with Professor Tank who assisted with the project back then. The plane was fully restored again about six years ago.
Many Thanks for posting, This is great !!! Absolutely fantastic. All the wartime footage of these has no real audio track, so this video of it is our one and only chance to hear one run. Best Regards from Alaska!
I used to be a member of the aerospace museum society in the late 70's/early 80's and the society was responsible for turning the aircraft stored at Cosford into a working museum, the founding of the society was the beginning of it all, then Hendon realised we were making money out of it to improve the museum so took it over lock,stock and barrel then promptly stopped us working on any of the aircraft because it looked 'untidy'. The Me 410A was something of a favourite of mine, it may look ugly to some but for ugly read businneslike, it was designed to do a job not look pretty, the interior of the fuselage I cleared of birds nests, a dead rat, various other rubbish and cleaned up the cockpit in the process. The aircraft left Cosford and spent nine months parked outside at Hendon in all weathers before coming back to Cosford, later it was sent to RAF St Athan, why god only knows, while there they got the engines running which should never have been allowed as the last time they were run was around 1946 and could have suffered internal damage, rumour has it that when the engines were run up she suddenly tried to nose over and the prop tips hit the concrete, thats why an irreplaceable pair of DVM props was butchered having the tips cropped off square, did they hope nobody would notice?. Because of this no engines are run at St Athan now, it was all unofficial anyway and as I said, should never have been allowed, the only way they could do the engine runs was to jury-rig the electrics and throttle, all the electrics in the cockpit and throttle controls etc are either chopped through or disconneccted, safe to say it will never fly again, the Me410 in the Smithsonian Collection is just a fuselage only I was told when I wrote to them (I was in charge of research at Cosford), but in a shot of the fuselage I am possitive I saw a pair of wings with German markings in the background in a vertical storage frame. The Cosford Me410 is in need of considerable restoration as there is signs of corrosion thanks to nine months outside, the serial number 420430 is genuine but markings are all wrong, she was with ZG26 but her original markings are open to debate.
Do you have any knowledge whether the Stuka was ever run up like the Fw190 and Me410? There has been some discussion that is was briefly considered getting it airworthy for the filming of the BoB film in 1968, but the wise choice was made to not do that. I have also read some discussion that it was brought to taxi condition. Even in 1968, the Stuka was too old to risk for flight, but a film of it running would be neat. You are correct about the prop tips on the Me 410 and now they are squared off. You would think that this would be an easy "cosmetic" fix by a competent propeller shop today, if not re-making them for a higher price tag. Perhaps when the NASM gets around to restoring their Me410 they would be able to collaborate and provide assistance with restoration of the Cosford Me 410.
I just saw the video on that beautiful airplane! And of course I saw your comment as of course I find it very interesting! I know very little about that airplane in that museum and I find it very sad that it has been mishandled such as being left outdoor for such long time! But I was very interested regarding the fact that you would never have let them start the engines! The reason I'm writing to you is that I was listening the sound of the engines and I was surprised to hear a strange noise like a wirring especially the first one! First I thought it was the bad quality of the sound but I realized that it was very noticeable! I had the impression that one of the gears inside the engine is "grinding"! Am I wrong? Because if is that no way they should have started those engines!
Paolo Viti The German DB engines utilized an inertia starter that spun up a flywheel which then engaged a starter gear to turn over the engine, which is what you hear at the start. It's a weight-saving feature found on quite a few Allied and Axis planes from the 30s and 40s. The German DB engines also have a very loud and distinctive supercharger whine while running.
I know very well that both the DB and the Jumo engines used the inertia starter as a weight saving measure but it has a distinctive "winning" sound when it is cranked up and it dissipate once the engine starts! Also the compressor "winnes" but after warming up also that will be less noticeable! What I hear was a persistent "wirring" as if some gears are grinding itself out! Of course I might be absolutely wrong but nevertheless I do find it a bit strange!
FiveCentsPlease out of curiosity I listened again to some of the restored Me-109 G4 and the G10 and I confirm that both are "winning" only when the engines are cranking up! I do not hear at all the "wirring" of the Me-410! Of course I'm not an expert but I did restore a couple of engines and after reassembling them they were purring like cats! Nothing to do I love engines!
David Mitchell The DB603A was the first generation of this engine and produced 1750hp, which is pretty good considering it was on only 87 octane B fuel instead of 100/130. There were several other variants of this engine such as the DB603E which was both more powerful and had a higher altitude supercharger. A few were produced. The was the 2250 DB603LA with two stage supercharger as used in Ta 152C. The DB603EM of 2350hp not built due to shortage of C3 fuel, the DB693L of 2400hp (an DB603LA with inter-cooling) and finally DB603N of 2800hp with C3+MW50. I suspect with these engines the Me 410 would have exceeded 450-460mph (cube law)
I was there for that, rained all the time they also ran up the Fw190, never thought I would see anyones video of it, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH NOW I CAN RELIVE THIS MOMENT, which was advertised as part of the open day and not done surrepticiously as one posted, Me410 and Fw190 two seater engine runs, total bliss, Hendon outside sheeesh never knew that, what idiots are in charge of historic aircraft, and to remove the Battle of Britain hall, disgraceful, and what idiots sawed off all 6 prop tips, rather than put a dummy tip on the one blade ?
I've just seen this video and it brings back many great memories but I would like to point out that there several errors in Caliph Nah's comments (1) A full survey of the aircraft systems was carried out before any decision was taken to bring the aircraft to life. (2) There was Never any nose overs during any engine runs on any of the aircraft at St Athan. (3) Only aircraft that had complete throttle linkage were considered. (4) All oil and fuel systems checked and tested over many weeks prior to any engine start were carried out. (5) Many of the aircraft in museums have butchered electrical systems due to many moves over their life's.
+Bill Clark I'm hearing conflicting information that the prop tips on the Me-410 were damaged during a move or a prop strike and they were cut to even them out. Either way, a competent propeller shop would be able to make an easy repair for static purposes or duplicate new ones if future work is carried out on the plane. Can you confirm if the Stuka was ever run up? I have read that it was during the making of the Battle of Britain film, but I have never seen evidence of such.
I reckon I might well have been in that crowd of people as an excited 8 year old! We used to go and watch both that 410 and the twin seat 190 get started up, always remember it was so load!!! They used to have an amazing collection of rare WW2 stuff there. There was a ME163 and some Japanese twin engine fighter there as well wasnt there?
I'm truly amazed to see one of these machines survived being scrapped. I always liked this plane, but its a good thing it didn't work that well for the Luftwaffe.
+ Paul Kent The Smithsonian also has an example in storage. The museum has a lot of rare Luftwaffe stuff but it may be another generation before it can pulled out for restoration.
c' Est bien la première fois que j' entend les bruits des moteurs DB 603 avec des turbocompresseurs je suppose bien sur?! Merci pour cette vidéo vraiment historique...
Wow I've seen this plane on static display and fotos but i didn't know it ran..music to my ears as a Luftwaffe fan. Theres also an Me 110 intact and displayed..i wanto hear that 87 stuka running..jumo engine
+Rene Hettinga An airworthy Stuka will be completed in the US. The Jumo engine has already been tested and delivered to museum. pbs.twimg.com/media/ECHCtQfUEAAgdGk.jpg
@@AC-op4dg A few of the Flugwerk Fw-190A replicas are moving toward Fw-190D conversion with Allison V12s. There are some DB-603s around and I'm surprised that nobody has considered a Fw-190D replica with DB-603 as an alternative to a rare and expensive Jumo 213. Kurt Tank preferred the DB-603 but could not get them during the war.
+ mybluebelly A least experts today can fix the props, or construct accurate replacements pretty easily. These captured aircraft were jumbled and repainted and perhaps one day some of them can be given forensic restorations to wartime condition. The expertise is available now, so it's just time and money.
Really? I had no idea the NASM had one! Probably never be restored in my life time though! They've been working on the He219 for years. I went to the Hazy Center ion 2012 and it was all there but the wings,now they've painted the wings but I haven't seen anything about them finishing it off.
***** There would not be many of these examples surviving today if the AAF had not donated the planes to the Smithsonian. It isn't their mission to have a flying museum but to preserve historical artifacts not just for now but for generations from now. It is doubtful that individuals older than Gen X will have direct interest in WW2. When we are gone WW2 will be as distant as the Civil War. Model companies were given access to the Ta-152 to measure for scale plastic models. If someone finds a Ta-152 wreck to start a rebuild, then perhaps there will be a chance to use modern 3D scanning to get accurate measurements. It is a lot more difficult to conjure another example out of thin air.
***** Which private collectors have stated that they wish to start a Ta-152? The major players with the money to undertake such a project haven't. The NASM has the only aircraft ID that survives in the world. There are no other known wrecks or IDs to start a project from at this time or until a wreck is found. Without an ID, they project doesn't exist.
***** It is my understanding that model kit manufacturers have been given access to the Ta-152 on occasion for accurate measurements. There has been no Ta-152 rebuild activity outside of the NASM because they have the only surviving example. Regarding access to aircraft, you are correct that historically the NASM policy is to provide any blueprints they have upon request with the condition of signing a waiver that they are not to be used to construct a flying example. An aircraft ID is similar to a VIN number on a car and without it you don't have an aircraft. The NASM owns the only known surviving Ta-152 ID, so there would not be much activity elsewhere to build anything for a "complete" Ta-152. New 3D technology could be a game-changer for rapid prototyping to reconstruct new examples of various rare aircraft but so far this has only been applied to a few restorations including a Typhoon project in Canada.
***** The replica Me-262s were only possible from a private restoration agreement with the US Navy to restore their original Me-262 and copy the parts for new-build examples. Original Me-262 production drawings were incomplete to use for construction They even copied a design flaw and had to correct it later with new engineering. The new Me-262s have a separate type designation from the originals, but they were "assigned" original serial numbers starting from the end of the WW2 production line. That Me-262 project began way back in 1993 long before modern 3D techniques that are available today for reverse engineering. It took a long time before they had flyable airframes.
***** I would argue that the new-build Me-262s were easy compared with recreating a Ta-152 from scratch. They just recreated the airframe and hung a modernized power package on them, in essence creating a second-generation Me-262 that was given a new type designation by FAA. (Me-262A-1c, etc...) There is no equivalent solution for a Ta-152.
+magna4100 They don't roll out the Me410 or their Fw190 to do engine runs anymore, so they have likely been inhibited. For preservation, it is not good to just run them and stop because you can introduce moisture and other corrosives into the engines. Running them for long periods or flying would actually be better, but this aircraft will likely never be flown and it is incomplete internally.
Only two survivors, both in museums. Perhaps a wreck will turn up one day, though it would a very ambitious project to copy and build one from scratch. 3D scanning technology will make it possible to image the airframe into CAD software and reverse engineer the structure. Those who have that much money are more interested in single-seat fighters, since you could restore several for the costs to restore an Me-410.
+@ ralfvelmer2098 It hasn't flown since WW2 and it is internally incomplete. It was moved from RAF Museum St. Athan and was on display at RAF Museum Cosford a few years ago. They do not start the engines anymore.
So sexy. For some reason I think of the 410 as a WW2 flyable version of a Mercedes Benz CL65 coupe. (Or S class coupe depending on what year it was made)
Is that a Canberra in the background? Interesting to consider that the Canberra's first flight was only a few years after the 410's first flight. Chalk and cheese.
Very nice, could you do a strafing run and a dogfight with a B1 bomber?
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...but you need two production lines for the engines then. It is effective, but is also very costly. Most piston and turboprop aircraft don't have counter-rotating engines.
Startup is the inertial starter---a heavy flywheel that is spun up to engage a starter dog to the engine. When the engine is running you hear the supercharger impeller, and the super charger is very loud on the DB series engines.
cheeki breeki The Bosch starters could be operated by hand, or electrically. Note the electric start cart in the background that is connected to the plane. The hand crank option was for rough field conditions or perhaps for rapid take off when the ground crews would get things ready in a hurry.
@Craig Wooldridge it is still too rare of an aircraft to risk flying again because even "expert" pilots can make mistakes or something on the plane can fail.
Details details so what was is the story behind this aircraft where is it now, did it ever fly again, is it still around flying? oh and thanks for posting
Quite an interesting aircraft... I feel like if they had managed to somehow pull the perfected Me410 out of the bag in 1941 or 1942, and use it exclusively with single engine fighter cover, they might have had a rather high performance heavy dive bomber. Maybe even into 1943/44 it would have been good in that role. But sadly, not a fighter at all...
+masamune200 They should work but it is no longer rolled out and started. It needs some repairs inside to cockpit and electrics, and the prop tips that were cut off after a mishap need to be repaired or new props should be made for it.
To bad about this bird. One of the more unsung warbird's, to bad they did not maintain her. It's probably to late for it as i'm sure it has sat and deteriorated. Beautiful plane though the 410.
+gowron277a Doubtful that it will every fly again, and I understand that the cockpit and electrics are incomplete and were patched together to make it run. The things is, there are a decent amount of Luftwaffe restorations in progress and I could see that knowledge and interest being used to make the needed repairs and freshen up the plane (and at least repair the props that were squared off years ago.) But, again, they probably won't go flying with it in our lifetimes.
They no longer have any of those Aircraft. Some went to Cosford the rest went to the IWM at Hendon. Saint Athan does have a museum again though, it’s called SWAM, it’s well worth a visit
I never thought I'd see and/or hear an Me410 run. Amazing.
Boy, talk about a once in a lifetime experience in actually being there and filming it. Thanks for the video.
Supercharger whine? Wow! Imagine hearing a squadron of those lifting off! Thanks for posting!
Nah, I'd rather they're charred in hell
in my opinion the most sexiest looking of all twin engined fighter aircraft, the me 410 truely is a beauty and I´d never thought i would hear the sound of this thing. I really hope that some day this fantastic machine can take to the skies again.
I prefer a 335.
Give me a p38 or a mosquito any day.
This plane is nearly 80 years old now...
Good to see it was still running at least 40 years ago =)
My left ear enjoyed this.
My right ear is jealous. Thought my earphone is broken.
I'am deaf at my right ear, since childhood, so I cannot tell the difference!
shit bro i got ring-bell in right ear lol
I'm enjoying the sound of the DB 603's concentrated into my left ear.
A tue beaut, the sound of those motors is awesome...
The best Luftwaffe Destroyer, but again, she came too late to have any impact on the war, and also the Me-410 the last of its kind! this is an amazing aircraft with amazing sound! Fantastic Vid of this rare piece in aviation!
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I know I’m late to the party, but the RAF Museum’s Me 410 isn’t the last one left. The Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in America has one as well, though to be fair, the RAF Museum’s example is the only Me 410 on display, while the Smithsonian’s example is in storage, and has not been on display except for guided tours of the storage facility that it’s in right now.
You're never late to the party mate. I'm the user who posted this comment originally, at the time I did believe she was the last 410 in existance. However as you said she's not re-built and is in storage, same as the Ta-152 and Ho-229 aircraft.
It'd be nice to see the American example and others re-built to complete status.
Listen those superchargers... oh man! Music!
Such a rare beast and nice to hear one power up... shame I wasn't alive when she did engine runs. Still, that supercharger scream... stunning!
I was a member of the Aerospace Society too, in the 80's, I spent many a happy hour working on this beauty, was gutted when it was moved.I once found a letter written in German under the pilots seat, when translated, it turned out to be pornographic. Later, i worked on the Bf110G, Fw190S-8 and He162 at Hendon.
+Mike Shilton What you say about working on this Dora doesn't make any sense. When Doug Champlin bought the plane in 1972 the seat was missing. Champlin contracted an aircraft restorer whose wife worked for Messerschmitt aerospace in Germany, and the plane was shipped to Germany and restored from 1972 to approximately 1975. There is a photo of Champlin sitting with Professor Tank who assisted with the project back then. The plane was fully restored again about six years ago.
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You mean a love letter. Don't be such a prude.
@@FiveCentsPlease why do you call it a Dora? The only Dora I know of is the Fw190 D
@@Jbroker404 Letters used in the naming conventions for variants. D = "Dora." "Anton", "Berta", "Caesar", "Dora", "Emil", "Friedrich", "Gustav", etc.
Many Thanks for posting, This is great !!! Absolutely fantastic. All the wartime footage of these has no real audio track, so this video of it is our one and only chance to hear one run. Best Regards from Alaska!
This ME 410 has a great whistle sound.
I used to be a member of the aerospace museum society in the late 70's/early 80's and the society was responsible for turning the aircraft stored at Cosford into a working museum, the founding of the society was the beginning of it all, then Hendon realised we were making money out of it to improve the museum so took it over lock,stock and barrel then promptly stopped us working on any of the aircraft because it looked 'untidy'.
The Me 410A was something of a favourite of mine, it may look ugly to some but for ugly read businneslike, it was designed to do a job not look pretty, the interior of the fuselage I cleared of birds nests, a dead rat, various other rubbish and cleaned up the cockpit in the process.
The aircraft left Cosford and spent nine months parked outside at Hendon in all weathers before coming back to Cosford, later it was sent to RAF St Athan, why god only knows, while there they got the engines running which should never have been allowed as the last time they were run was around 1946 and could have suffered internal damage, rumour has it that when the engines were run up she suddenly tried to nose over and the prop tips hit the concrete, thats why an irreplaceable pair of DVM props was butchered having the tips cropped off square, did they hope nobody would notice?.
Because of this no engines are run at St Athan now, it was all unofficial anyway and as I said, should never have been allowed, the only way they could do the engine runs was to jury-rig the electrics and throttle, all the electrics in the cockpit and throttle controls etc are either chopped through or disconneccted, safe to say it will never fly again, the Me410 in the Smithsonian Collection is just a fuselage only I was told when I wrote to them (I was in charge of research at Cosford), but in a shot of the fuselage I am possitive I saw a pair of wings with German markings in the background in a vertical storage frame.
The Cosford Me410 is in need of considerable restoration as there is signs of corrosion thanks to nine months outside, the serial number 420430 is genuine but markings are all wrong, she was with ZG26 but her original markings are open to debate.
Do you have any knowledge whether the Stuka was ever run up like the Fw190 and Me410? There has been some discussion that is was briefly considered getting it airworthy for the filming of the BoB film in 1968, but the wise choice was made to not do that. I have also read some discussion that it was brought to taxi condition. Even in 1968, the Stuka was too old to risk for flight, but a film of it running would be neat. You are correct about the prop tips on the Me 410 and now they are squared off. You would think that this would be an easy "cosmetic" fix by a competent propeller shop today, if not re-making them for a higher price tag. Perhaps when the NASM gets around to restoring their Me410 they would be able to collaborate and provide assistance with restoration of the Cosford Me 410.
I just saw the video on that beautiful airplane! And of course I saw your comment as of course I find it very interesting! I know very little about that airplane in that museum and I find it very sad that it has been mishandled such as being left outdoor for such long time! But I was very interested regarding the fact that you would never have let them start the engines! The reason I'm writing to you is that I was listening the sound of the engines and I was surprised to hear a strange noise like a wirring especially the first one! First I thought it was the bad quality of the sound but I realized that it was very noticeable! I had the impression that one of the gears inside the engine is "grinding"! Am I wrong? Because if is that no way they should have started those engines!
Paolo Viti
The German DB engines utilized an inertia starter that spun up a flywheel which then engaged a starter gear to turn over the engine, which is what you hear at the start. It's a weight-saving feature found on quite a few Allied and Axis planes from the 30s and 40s. The German DB engines also have a very loud and distinctive supercharger whine while running.
I know very well that both the DB and the Jumo engines used the inertia starter as a weight saving measure but it has a distinctive "winning" sound when it is cranked up and it dissipate once the engine starts! Also the compressor "winnes" but after warming up also that will be less noticeable! What I hear was a persistent "wirring" as if some gears are grinding itself out! Of course I might be absolutely wrong but nevertheless I do find it a bit strange!
FiveCentsPlease out of curiosity I listened again to some of the restored Me-109 G4 and the G10 and I confirm that both are "winning" only when the engines are cranking up! I do not hear at all the "wirring" of the Me-410! Of course I'm not an expert but I did restore a couple of engines and after reassembling them they were purring like cats! Nothing to do I love engines!
deserves to be given the chance to fly again if not on restricted basis-----its a very valueable aircraft
That's precisely why it should NEVER be flown. Build an exact copy, and risk that.
Such a cool looking twin engine interceptor.
Had no idea there was a pristine Me-410 anywhere! Thx so much for the upload.
Luftwaffe had the coolest looking planes forgetaboutit..love the ju 188 with the giant glass canopy
Beautiful
What a beautiful beast.
Rolls may have been more powerful,but the sound off two DB603s with the whine of the supper charger is cool.
David Mitchell The DB603A was the first generation of this engine and produced 1750hp, which is pretty good considering it was on only 87 octane B fuel instead of 100/130. There were several other variants of this engine such as the DB603E which was both more powerful and had a higher altitude supercharger. A few were produced. The was the 2250 DB603LA with two stage supercharger as used in Ta 152C. The DB603EM of 2350hp not built due to shortage of C3 fuel, the DB693L of 2400hp (an DB603LA with inter-cooling) and finally DB603N of 2800hp with C3+MW50. I suspect with these engines the Me 410 would have exceeded 450-460mph (cube law)
Rolls were never more powerful, but yes, they sound amazing
I was there for that, rained all the time they also ran up the Fw190, never thought I would see anyones video of it, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH NOW I CAN RELIVE THIS MOMENT, which was advertised as part of the open day and not done surrepticiously as one posted, Me410 and Fw190 two seater engine runs, total bliss, Hendon outside sheeesh never knew that, what idiots are in charge of historic aircraft, and to remove the Battle of Britain hall, disgraceful, and what idiots sawed off all 6 prop tips, rather than put a dummy tip on the one blade ?
That supercharger is menacing! Sad that these planes are so rare
Sta.. Stalin.. How could you betray the motherland
Truly amazing!
Awesome video. Priceless
I've just seen this video and it brings back many great memories but I would like to point out that there several errors in Caliph Nah's comments (1) A full survey of the aircraft systems was carried out before any decision was taken to bring the aircraft to life. (2) There was Never any nose overs during any engine runs on any of the aircraft at St Athan. (3) Only aircraft that had complete throttle linkage were considered. (4) All oil and fuel systems checked and tested over many weeks prior to any engine start were carried out. (5) Many of the aircraft in museums have butchered electrical systems due to many moves over their life's.
+Bill Clark I'm hearing conflicting information that the prop tips on the Me-410 were damaged during a move or a prop strike and they were cut to even them out. Either way, a competent propeller shop would be able to make an easy repair for static purposes or duplicate new ones if future work is carried out on the plane. Can you confirm if the Stuka was ever run up? I have read that it was during the making of the Battle of Britain film, but I have never seen evidence of such.
Saburo Sakai, this was filmed at RAF St Athen, and this aircraft is now at the RAF Museum ,Coford
Saburo Sakai? Where?
WAY COOL! Now we just need her to fly!
I saw the same thing - engines being run-up in St Athans as a kid in the 80's
What an intresting DB-engine sound! Oh if it could take off...🤗
fantastic!
Awesome 👍✈️
Beautiful plane
I reckon I might well have been in that crowd of people as an excited 8 year old! We used to go and watch both that 410 and the twin seat 190 get started up, always remember it was so load!!! They used to have an amazing collection of rare WW2 stuff there. There was a ME163 and some Japanese twin engine fighter there as well wasnt there?
Amazing i love it
I wonder if this aircraft is still able to run the engines? What a beauty!
The engines don't run and it's internally incomplete. Overall it wasn't looked after that well.
I'm truly amazed to see one of these machines survived being scrapped. I always liked this plane, but its a good thing it didn't work that well for the Luftwaffe.
+ Paul Kent The Smithsonian also has an example in storage. The museum has a lot of rare Luftwaffe stuff but it may be another generation before it can pulled out for restoration.
c' Est bien la première fois que j' entend les bruits des moteurs DB 603 avec des turbocompresseurs je suppose bien sur?! Merci pour cette vidéo vraiment historique...
+Christophe Schwartz Le DB-603 est dérivé du DB-601.
Wow I've seen this plane on static display and fotos but i didn't know it ran..music to my ears as a Luftwaffe fan. Theres also an Me 110 intact and displayed..i wanto hear that 87 stuka running..jumo engine
+Rene Hettinga An airworthy Stuka will be completed in the US. The Jumo engine has already been tested and delivered to museum. pbs.twimg.com/media/ECHCtQfUEAAgdGk.jpg
my left ear loved this
Probably the only video on TH-cam of a db 603 running and there’s two of them!
+@AC-op4dg Correct, and this aircraft is no longer started.
@@FiveCentsPlease that’s a pity, would die for some higher quality recordings
@@AC-op4dg A few of the Flugwerk Fw-190A replicas are moving toward Fw-190D conversion with Allison V12s. There are some DB-603s around and I'm surprised that nobody has considered a Fw-190D replica with DB-603 as an alternative to a rare and expensive Jumo 213. Kurt Tank preferred the DB-603 but could not get them during the war.
Supercharger sound.
Herrlich!!!!
If i had a penny for every museum modification this bird has seen i`d be pennies in heaven.
+ mybluebelly A least experts today can fix the props, or construct accurate replacements pretty easily. These captured aircraft were jumbled and repainted and perhaps one day some of them can be given forensic restorations to wartime condition. The expertise is available now, so it's just time and money.
Wow, just wow.
Amazing how much those engines sound like the ones on a 109. I guess they are DB 603s after all.
AWESOME...!!!
Wow. Great! 👍🏼
There are two, one in the UK and one in storage with the NASM in the US.
Sounded like that starboard engines supercharger was shredding itself
Eargasmn!
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The Jerry had a Rough Start. But nice Aircraft they built.
Nice aircraft would like to see a junkers 88 flying always liked that aircraft.
Such a weird looking but attractive machine, hope soon it'll fly up there with other war birds again.
Really? I had no idea the NASM had one! Probably never be restored in my life time though! They've been working on the He219 for years. I went to the Hazy Center ion 2012 and it was all there but the wings,now they've painted the wings but I haven't seen anything about them finishing it off.
***** There would not be many of these examples surviving today if the AAF had not donated the planes to the Smithsonian. It isn't their mission to have a flying museum but to preserve historical artifacts not just for now but for generations from now. It is doubtful that individuals older than Gen X will have direct interest in WW2. When we are gone WW2 will be as distant as the Civil War. Model companies were given access to the Ta-152 to measure for scale plastic models. If someone finds a Ta-152 wreck to start a rebuild, then perhaps there will be a chance to use modern 3D scanning to get accurate measurements. It is a lot more difficult to conjure another example out of thin air.
***** Which private collectors have stated that they wish to start a Ta-152? The major players with the money to undertake such a project haven't. The NASM has the only aircraft ID that survives in the world. There are no other known wrecks or IDs to start a project from at this time or until a wreck is found. Without an ID, they project doesn't exist.
***** It is my understanding that model kit manufacturers have been given access to the Ta-152 on occasion for accurate measurements. There has been no Ta-152 rebuild activity outside of the NASM because they have the only surviving example. Regarding access to aircraft, you are correct that historically the NASM policy is to provide any blueprints they have upon request with the condition of signing a waiver that they are not to be used to construct a flying example. An aircraft ID is similar to a VIN number on a car and without it you don't have an aircraft. The NASM owns the only known surviving Ta-152 ID, so there would not be much activity elsewhere to build anything for a "complete" Ta-152. New 3D technology could be a game-changer for rapid prototyping to reconstruct new examples of various rare aircraft but so far this has only been applied to a few restorations including a Typhoon project in Canada.
***** The replica Me-262s were only possible from a private restoration agreement with the US Navy to restore their original Me-262 and copy the parts for new-build examples. Original Me-262 production drawings were incomplete to use for construction They even copied a design flaw and had to correct it later with new engineering. The new Me-262s have a separate type designation from the originals, but they were "assigned" original serial numbers starting from the end of the WW2 production line. That Me-262 project began way back in 1993 long before modern 3D techniques that are available today for reverse engineering. It took a long time before they had flyable airframes.
***** I would argue that the new-build Me-262s were easy compared with recreating a Ta-152 from scratch. They just recreated the airframe and hung a modernized power package on them, in essence creating a second-generation Me-262 that was given a new type designation by FAA. (Me-262A-1c, etc...) There is no equivalent solution for a Ta-152.
I trust those lovely engines have were suitably inhibited after the run.
+magna4100
They don't roll out the Me410 or their Fw190 to do engine runs anymore, so they have likely been inhibited. For preservation, it is not good to just run them and stop because you can introduce moisture and other corrosives into the engines. Running them for long periods or flying would actually be better, but this aircraft will likely never be flown and it is incomplete internally.
Would like to see it flying
+robert altmann Too rare. Maybe a replica one day.
Only two survivors, both in museums. Perhaps a wreck will turn up one day, though it would a very ambitious project to copy and build one from scratch. 3D scanning technology will make it possible to image the airframe into CAD software and reverse engineer the structure. Those who have that much money are more interested in single-seat fighters, since you could restore several for the costs to restore an Me-410.
I want to do this actually, but i need money first.
A war bird !!! Beauty I love it!!!
Яке видавництво виготовляє модель цього літака з паперу 1-33.??????
Zwilling version of me109. Just noticed the propeller hub
i don't think the BF-109 had the same engines
@@tB3o3tR9o9 It did not. The Me-410 has DB-603 engines with the extended reduction gear.
É como ter dois 109G lado a lado. Incrível.
Realy? You are a genius
Where is this aircraft now? It will be nice to see it fly again. Great Sound!
+@ ralfvelmer2098 It hasn't flown since WW2 and it is internally incomplete. It was moved from RAF Museum St. Athan and was on display at RAF Museum Cosford a few years ago. They do not start the engines anymore.
So sexy. For some reason I think of the 410 as a WW2 flyable version of a Mercedes Benz CL65 coupe. (Or S class coupe depending on what year it was made)
Is that a Canberra in the background?
Interesting to consider that the Canberra's first flight was only a few years after the 410's first flight.
Chalk and cheese.
Why didn't you phone me?!?! I'dve come over from Calgary for this?
Wow!
Very nice, could you do a strafing run and a dogfight with a B1 bomber?
...but you need two production lines for the engines then. It is effective, but is also very costly. Most piston and turboprop aircraft don't have counter-rotating engines.
Dat DB603.
In3x0rable DB605, isnt it?
Michal Milko Must be DB603 If I'm not mistaken or if they didn't change it.
Yes, you are right, it has DB603
Never knew this ever happened.
forgive me but is the winding sound the gear driven supercharger? all the other vids of the Daimler-Benz DB 603 don't have this sound.
Startup is the inertial starter---a heavy flywheel that is spun up to engage a starter dog to the engine. When the engine is running you hear the supercharger impeller, and the super charger is very loud on the DB series engines.
FiveCentsPlease was the inertia start on these hand cranked like the BF 109 or was it spun by a motor like the fw 190?
cheeki breeki
The Bosch starters could be operated by hand, or electrically. Note the electric start cart in the background that is connected to the plane. The hand crank option was for rough field conditions or perhaps for rapid take off when the ground crews would get things ready in a hurry.
FiveCentsPlease wow you know your stuff
Awesome! Is this 410 airworthy?
È il 410 conservato nel RAF museum? la musica dei 2 DB 603 è fantastica
It's been in Cosford Museum for years in the UK.
Please, make it fly again
It is too rare of an aircraft to risk flying again.
Maybe, it's possible to make an exact replica of this plane some day
Thats what I thought. Maybe using Allison engines as substitutes.
It uses inverted V12 engines. Using Allisons or any other ''upright'' V12 would require too much re-engineering. @@WarbirdKid1940
@Craig Wooldridge it is still too rare of an aircraft to risk flying again because even "expert" pilots can make mistakes or something on the plane can fail.
the engines... DB603 or DB 605? they have a distinct whistle to their engine sounds, don't they?
The me 410 used the dB 603 the me 110 G used the dB 605
Немчура самолеты строить умела, красавец.
Details details so what was is the story behind this aircraft where is it now, did it ever fly again, is it still around flying? oh and thanks for posting
cruiza I doesn’t fly anymore and it doesn’t run either, but it is still on display at RAF Cosford in Shropshire
Quite an interesting aircraft... I feel like if they had managed to somehow pull the perfected Me410 out of the bag in 1941 or 1942, and use it exclusively with single engine fighter cover, they might have had a rather high performance heavy dive bomber. Maybe even into 1943/44 it would have been good in that role. But sadly, not a fighter at all...
Not so much a fighter, but a "heavy fighter". Used for shooting down bombers.
The aircraft has not flown and it is still on display. The engine runs are no longer performed either.
Where is this? Germany I assume? Strange that the props rotate the same way, since counter rotation (like P-38s) eliminates the torque.
saburu sakai it’s in whales
This was filmed at the former RAF Saint Athan museum in South Wales
Uh, where's the audio???
Sounds like the fan belt’s slipping.
supercharger sounds , my friend . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_603
Does this aircraft still have functioning engines?
+masamune200 They should work but it is no longer rolled out and started. It needs some repairs inside to cockpit and electrics, and the prop tips that were cut off after a mishap need to be repaired or new props should be made for it.
So what do you believe seeing here?
What are they, Jumos or DBs
+ Anthony Xuereb DB-603 engines.
@@FiveCentsPlease thanks for that
When was this?
pretty bird
sympa ...
Where is it now?
Cosford Museum, UK.
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20/12/89
Who has an airworthy Me410?🙀👍🏻
Nobody. Only two survivors worldwide, this one and another still in storage with the NASM.
Adolf Hitler :-)
To bad about this bird. One of the more unsung warbird's, to bad they did not maintain her. It's probably to late for it as i'm sure it has sat and deteriorated. Beautiful plane though the 410.
+gowron277a
Doubtful that it will every fly again, and I understand that the cockpit and electrics are incomplete and were patched together to make it run. The things is, there are a decent amount of Luftwaffe restorations in progress and I could see that knowledge and interest being used to make the needed repairs and freshen up the plane (and at least repair the props that were squared off years ago.) But, again, they probably won't go flying with it in our lifetimes.
Would be quite a sight though.
How does something so bad sound so fucking good? It can look good all it wants BUT WHY DOES IT HAVE TO SOUND EVEN BETTER?
No. And engine runs are no longer conducted.
DB605 engines?
+ Allan Davidson DB-603.
Bad bearing?
Superchargers I think ...... my race car have the same whine , but much smaller engine --- 😀
DB603
Sound like the ball bearings have suffered from oil starvation and are grinding :(
nah the bf 410 just has real beefy superchargers
ШмелЁчек!)
RAF Museum, St. Athan back in the 80s. They no longer run the aircraft.
They no longer have any of those Aircraft. Some went to Cosford the rest went to the IWM at Hendon.
Saint Athan does have a museum again though, it’s called SWAM, it’s well worth a visit