Talking to Clive Anderson on his chat show, Brian Clough talks about his recent autobiography, and a section where he blamed the Hillsborough tragedy on the Liverpool fans.
Worth noting that he changed his opinion in later years, admitting that his original view was based more on the hooliganism issues of the era than the policing issues of Hillsborough.
@@pc2405 Agreed. The campaign by the families of the victims was too powerful at that time for anyone in the public eys to disagree with the stance they took. Interesting that Anderson's point was about not causing upset rather than Clough being incorrect.
Apparently he changed his mind years later. But I think this highlights it's everybody's right to have an opinion, even if others don't agree, and even if that opinion is wrong. And you have the right to change your opinion later. Personally I don't see how it can be a crime simply to be one of a large number of people going to a football match. And who wouldn't go through an open gate into a stadium when you have travelled hundreds of miles in the hope of watching a top football match? Shouldn't the blame lie mostly with the authorities who witnessed something very similar at the same ground just a few years earlier - and did absolutely nothing to prevent that disaster so obviously waiting to happen? I write all this, of course, with 20/20 hindsight vision. RIP the 96, and condolences to all their families and friends.
The ground was not fit to hpld a semi final. in 81 wolves v spurs there were fans spilling onto the pitch 87 Leeds v xoventry , the Leeds fans were xrammed into the Leppings lane end . my brother couldn't breathe after the game . he thought he was gonna die. sadly an accident waiting to happen.
I was at that game as a Cov fan on the kop and I heard countless city fans state they should have been at the other end and Leeds on the Kop as it looked rammed full. In the quarter final we played there City were at the leppings lane end and have heard first hand from a family member that it was very uncomfortable to be in that end. A disaster waiting to happen that did not wait long.
Ian Bennett All you fans that know all about football grounds in the 80's amaze me. Every standing area was uncomfortable when it was full. Look at the films from that time. A disaster waiting to happen YES. It just happened to be at Hillsborough. It could have happened at any of the big stadiums with very bad policing and 1500 ticketless fans.
But it didnte and it nearly happened at Hillsbrough multile times before. They didnt even have a fucking Valid safety License and Duckenfield didnt attend the ground ONCE when given the appointment to do his job and see how these types of things could be avoided which even AFTER the crush outside, Could have been by simply directing people AWAY from that pen into the smaller pens there were NO police there doing that. Its their fucking Job. Not there job to make Video recordings go missing and change over 100 statements.
Did he not see the 81 semi final at hillsborough? Major crushing in leppings lane end and 39 injuries Perhaps he would blame the spurs fans? Leppings lane was too small as a standing area for big crowds, should not have been used after 1981 and I read even before that there were crushing episodes!!
0:39 Brian Clough telling it how it is, like he said no one else was pushing that day. Learn to queue up in a normal, civilised manner and this tragedy would never have happened.
All the factors that caused the Hillsborough disaster have happened at countless Football matches before over and over again, but sadly they all came together on that fateful day of April 15th 1989! The saddest day of my life!!! Liverpool F.C. forever! And Justice for the 96 at last!!!
Had Heysel not happened, I don't think that the conventional logic at the time would've been to blame Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. That incident unfairly clouded a different incident 4 years later.
The fans were blamed on minute 1, the police there would have done the same had it been a different club. More than a few 'close encounters' at Hillsborough in the years leading up to this btw
@@lardy70s Perimeter fences, poor design of stadium & Policing at Hillsborough all contributory factors. Anne Williams campaigner for Justice for 96 R.I.P.
@@ianhart8811 yes they're all factors. If it wasn't for the drunken, ticketless yobs that forced their way into the ground then this tragedy wouldn't have happened. Liverpool fans caused this. Open your eyes and stop trying to detract the blame from yourselves. RIP to the 97.
@@lardy70s your immature, how were 15, 14 and 10 year old boys drunk?. You’re a total idiot the police have since admitted it was them that open the gate and it wasn’t broken down by fans. Read history all of it
Cloughie later realised he was wrong and said: "“I now accept the investigations have made me realise I was misinformed. I wasn't trying to be vindictive or unsympathetic, but my opinion has altered over the years. It was never my intention to hurt anyone.” He still shouldn't have ever said this though. How could he not realise how hurtful it was? I'm a lifelong Forest fan btw.
Great comment Simon!! I wasn't aware he admitted he was wrong and to be fair it's little wonder people were under the wrong impression such was the intensity and onesidedness of the media's coverage at the time. I agree though...... how on earth did he think his initial comments could be construed as anything other than deeply offensive???
I dont think for one minute his comments were meant to hurt.......On the face of it , as he saw it on the day , he was right in what he said,.......But didnt realise it was actually the the Fault of the Police that caused the tragedy
@@michaelrudge3927 I wonder what Cloughie would have to say about it now...Now that we know the truth...from what I remember Clough was just going on what he was told happened and certain sections of the media did not do much to convince him otherwise
It wasn't their fault it was the incompetence of the police and the fact that inside the ground there were no stewards directing the fans to either side of the tunnel were there was loads of room. I watched it live and could even see this as a Liverpool fan.
The capacity was wildly overestimated, there were no more Liverpool fans than the stated capacity and the police didn't close off the central pens. The crush was already beginning before the gate was open. The FA had ignored warnings about crushes (due to the capacity of the ground not being as high as claimed) and the potential for congestion at the turnstiles. Liverpool fans (I'm not one) are not to blame.
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
As much as I love Brian Clough, his comments were out of *such* proportion here and insulting to the victims and their families. But again, Hillsborough *will* sadly remain one of Britain's greatest ever cover-ups. I mean, the chief superintendent of Yorkshire police of that day (David Duckenfield) has been legally acquitted twice of lawful wrongdoing. But sadly again, when do English football fans themselves learn (e.g. the Euro 2020 final).
@King Royal Yes there was. Why are people still to this day denying it when the evidence is against the police. Forget about Liverpool for a sec but this is people's lives we are talking about.
@@geoffreyquirk6201 I know the facts, just like everyone else who knows what the Liverpool fans are like . ANY other team and that wouldn’t have happened that day , now they are the facts .
Something happens to you once you make a personal commitment to honour and serve The Truth; it has a subtle and progressive effect of completely taking you over and altering the very nature of your Being until it makes you Whole.
I'm a villa fan but grow up loving liverpool in 70s and 80s made me proud to b English but iv been to a semi final ov the fa cup wd the villa I like a drink shag punch up and sniff u dont turn up 5000 strung at 5 2 3 u get in the ground at 230 soak the atmosphere up thay turned up and rushed the gates couse thay had no tickets same 4 the people that passed theres a lot ov scouser wd boold on there hands great club tho
I'm not defending Clough in any way , although he was wrong in this case . He had no filter when it came to opinions . He said what he thought whether it was wrong or right . I remember when Nott'm Forest played Celtic in a UEFA Cup match in 1983 . A wall collapsed at the Celtic end of the ground. Clough rose from his dugout and went over to the Celtic fans and starting berating them for fighting and causing the mayhem . Later , when the facts emerged , he begrudgingly retracted his condemnation . Cloughie always acted impulsively in such matters .
Easily the best manager ever and I support lfc but total bollocks 96 died prick and oh my god these lfc scum how dare they get stretchers and help each other while pissing and the rest. Rest your head you should be ashamed.
These are Brian Cloughs words in 2001: Finally, in 2001, he said: “I now accept the investigations have made me realise I was misinformed. I wasn't trying to be vindictive or unsympathetic, but my opinion has altered over the years. It was never my intention to hurt anyone.” So, this apparently intelligent man of the people was blinded by the light of truth for 12 long years.
Clough never changed his view. He was ordered to release that statement in 2001 by his employer, as his remarks on Hillsborough had caused controversy regarding his weekly column.
I feel the issue with saying they brought it on themselves is that the ones who died were at the front, with tickets and did absolutely nothing wrong. The Liverpool fans who turned up drunk without a ticket and late are probably partially to blame along with the police.
@@paulcasey4282 "drunk without a ticket and late" is incorrect. Drunk - No arrests for drunkenness and also no photographs of drunk fans or bins full of cans despite the police searching through the vast amount of photos taken that day. Tickets - Using ground cctv the report counted the number of fans that entered the Leppings Lane either by turnstile or the gate (which was opened by the police). The number of fans counted was very close to the number of tickets sold (I think the number of fans counted was actually less than number of tickets sold). Late - It's estimated that 5000 fans were still outside at 14.30 for a match started at 15.00. This is because there was an insufficient amount of turnstiles open to allow fans to enter (it's all there proven in the report). The police first reported a crush outside at 14.30 to a match commander who had arrived at the ground at 14.15.
@@pc2405 Thank you for the information. I don't want it to come across that I support the initial report by the police which was obviously bogus. With regards to alcohol, it seems that the initial report way oversold the story but at any football game, there are going to be small groups who are too drunk. Football hooliganism was/is a problem in all of English football and particularly with Liverpool. Only back in 2018 they threw projectiles at the Man City bus and it was not taken seriously by Liverpool the club or the fans. The reason why I am saying this seemingly irrelevant information is because I admit maybe I am being biased by the fanbase's other actions and assuming there was more blame than there maybe should be.
Clough is effectively saying - if you get on a plane in a casually and slightly disorderly manner through the wrong gate after queuing in a very narrow corridor. with loads of other people And then the plane crashes because of engine failure. It's your own fault.
@@BT-kc3ee And what the inquiry says was "if thousands of you turn up to the plane having not bought a ticket and force your way on, it's the Police to blame, not you".
@@wrath_of_thrawn2163 The police didn't behave very honourably in the aftermath. instead of co-operating with the enquiry, they went into 'self-preservation' mode, muddying the waters in an effort to pre-empt the inevitable accusation of blame by the Liverpool fans. I doubt we will ever know the true chain of events which led to this dreadful disaster.
It's quite apparent that Brian, at least, hadn't nearly a clue exactly how the tragedy came about. I can't fault him for that, because so much of the truth was being hidden and suppressed to the wider public. What I do think is terrible though was his insistence on being right, if only based on a feeling. For such an intelligent man, he let pride get the better of his judgement a little too often, and when it concerns the lives lost at Hillsborough, it becomes a dangerous tool of propaganda. Shame on him for going so many years acting as an authority on what happened.
There was no truth hidden, the main gates opened, people who didn’t have a ticket rushed in and swamped the lower stands, Police opened some gates into the pitch midway through to allow some people to spill out but there was too many. Simple.
@@matthewcoupeofficial There were not more people in there than had tickets. That is an old myth. Its just that more people ended up in the central pens. The two side pens had far less people. The crush started OUTSIDE due to the lax nature of the police. They allowed it to happen. No filtering process.
He was always right. He’s an egotist. Great manager, possibly the best British manager of all time but he was an absolute joke of a man. Blaming drunk fans is ironic considering he was alcoholic himself. He apologised years later but only because he was forced to. He was the male version of Thatcher. Always right, never wrong, seemingly devoid of compassion.
@@lyndoncmp5751 That's what you want to believe but you're wrong because you can't accept that Liverpool fans killed their own that day. There were thousands of drunken Liverpool fans without tickets that stormed the stadium. Liverpool fans are very quiet when it comes to the Heysel disaster. Why is that???
Clough wasnt there. He was in the changing room. Maybe the police should have made all the forest squad and management get into hillsborough by climbing through a toilet window all at the same time.
Its all a matter of opinion hes not blaming anyone for anything hes merely stating his view on the matter. It was liverpools fault when it comes down to it anyway. My granddad died at hillborough and even im saying it was there fault because it was. so all the little buthurt girls on here should stop crying about shit that really doesnt affect them in any way shape or form
It's terrible the way the police forced those fans to travel without tickets and force the gate to be opened and then squashed them all into the ground. Shame on them.
Alan Dunne What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!!
We did (the people of Liverpool) Clough was probably drunk as F anyway and didn't know what he was talking about, Great manager but a top tit when it came to making them comments
Dear oh dear, wherever Brian Clough is now, the victims of Hillsborough will be there with him reminding him how wrong he was. What a shame he had that view.
Brian commented with the facts he believed at the time if the police,s version of events were true then Brian was right,nobody likes to think the police would cover it up,had he had the facts today of the cover up i,m sure he would think differently.
yes Joe Hawkings, I think you have got it just about right there. Although Brian was there, he wasn't outside the turnstiles so he couldn't possibly know what had gone on there. There are many people who have changed their opinion on Hillsborough over time, unfortunately Brian is no longer with us so we can't ask him now.
I Think Brian would have believed the police when they said there was no grooming going on in Rotherham to and the far right were lying,as it turned out the ones only telling the truth, for their own agenda of course, were the far right,Nobody wants to admit police counil social services were lying but the cover up was the same.
Funny the way all these "football fans" have passes comment on fake tickets or fans without tickets like that day was the only game in history that fans tried to get in without tickets..... this happened in every big game with most clubs so the comments are aload of shite! Should never have been held at that stadium with what happened the year before. Police should have been more in control, the cover up and lies after it happened is what got LFC families and fans backs up over the whole tragedy!
Come on if the turnstiles were open any fan would go in the blame is the people running the gates for leaving them open and the police and media blaming the Liverpool fans is a disgrace.
I'm sure Cloughy would change his view if he could. His comments disappoint me greatly for a man I respect immensely. The basic reality is, regardless of how many fans turned up and where they were, the authorities have a duty of care once those supporters arrive at the stadium, to keep them safe. They failed to do that. There is the wider context here in terms of the disgusting behaviour of the establishment at the time and the years and years it took those brave families to correct all the lies that were put out there and thus became people's accepted thought process around Hillsborough. Collusion on a grand scale by the establishment in every corner. The process of the enquiry and the outcome will enable others who seek justice from tragedy, like the those poor souls at Grenfell Towers...
@@MichaelSmith-jt1ffReported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
I remember watching the Hillsborough tragedy unfold at the time. I remember watching the Heysel Stadium tragedy unfold at the time. I remember watching Liverpool fans rushing the turnstiles at the 2007 Champions League Final in Athens. However, the official policy is that there were no Liverpool fans involved at any of these events.
Proven in a court of law. But you watched it on TV?? You must fucking know better then. You also NEVER watched Liverpool fans rushing gates in Athens on the TV you fucking liar.
711honved What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!!
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
He didn't always get it right, calling Tomaschevski a clown was plain ridiculous so was his accusations that Liverpool fans were solely responsible for Hillsborough.
A man who spoke common sense but in this day and age its forbidden. Spot on cloughy as always. Was a horrible tragedy but a tragic accident it was, cant really blame an accident on anyone if you really think about it. Blame the police for not doing more? They were outnumbered and dumbstruck. Blame the liverpool fans for keep piling in? No, they just wanted to get in. So who is at fault? Nobody ffs, it was a tragic accident. We can all play victim and blame someone else but cloughy is bang on as always, it was a pure travesty what happened that day
You can also blame it on hooliganism in general. This led to perimeter fencing that trapped in the fans. And, of course, how can you ignore thousands of fans turning up and the last minute (many, if not most, who had been drinking) and causing a crush outside the ground? Sad thing is, the fans killed were the responsible ones who got there early and were already in the ground. No one seems to be able to make that distinction.
@@pizzaboy3946 Absolutely. It's so tragic but it angers me that Liverpool fans want a scapegoat to detract the blame from themselves. I understand that the families want answers, but they're questioning the wrong people!.
@@lardy70s Yes, it's understandable given the grief suffered. But sad that the families of the responsible fans regard the drunken thugs as their own to ally with. It has become very political (hence the outrage at comments like these) and politics often seems to get on the way of a search for the truth.
I understand that Brian Clough could only go by what he knew at the time, and was expressing an opinion based on what he'd been told by police and Notts Forest staff, but he absolutely didnt need to be pointing the finger of blame in any of the victims direction. He had a habit of feeling he needed to comment on everything. He didnt.
That's why he was called big Ed Not subjective enough Too much of a know it all when in truth we all know fuck all but I know that the organisers, the police then and before the game (wolves v spurs hillsborough) were to control and manage the crowds and the kick off time. RIP what a tragedy 😢😢😢
I liked Brian but think his comment was wrong,this was a disaster waiting to happen as the health and safety at football grounds at that time was virtually none existent,I remember going to an away game at Old Trafford when Man U where building a new stand at our end and it was like a gully leading to the make shift turnstiles and contiplas walls,I was lifted off my feet by the power of the crowd trying to get in so much so that temporary walls collapsed and we just walked in for free,which was great but prior to that it was a very frightening experience.
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
Hillsborough could have happened anytime to any team, it's just horrible fate it happened to Liverpool.They were always qualifying for the big matches where this tragedy was waiting to happen
...There was a radio phone in on Hallam FM (Sheffield's local radio station) that seemed to substantiate what Clough was alluding to. The irony was the Liverpool supporter mentioned who, with some of his mates, arrived late at the ground and was instrumental in the chaos of the surge to get in, was one of the 96 who lost their lives.
It is the police's job to police a football match, I'm an Evertonian, but if you are let into a stadium, you're going to go in. I've met people from Sheffield. They were all scabs. Does that mean everyone from Sheffield is a scab?
@@chrishaws204 ...The actual story was not from anyone in Sheffield. The presenter of the show often worked around the radio network and he got the report from a woman who worked at the Manchester Evening News who knew a reporter at the Liverpool Echo. He used to walk his dog across Stanley Park and saw this Liverpool fan most days and they would talk about the match. The week leading up to the semi final, the Liverpool fan mentioned he had'nt got tickets to the match but him and a few of his mates were going along to spend a few hours in the pub then 20 minutes before kick off, get in the queue and start jostling to cause a surge they knew the stewards could'nt cope with. They had done it at other grounds. The outpouring of grief for the ones who lost their lives overshadowed the part some other fans may have played in igniting the flame! But football fans are saints, are'nt they?
Always had great respect for Clough, loved his sense of humour and attitude. Not anymore! and it's finally been proven he and south yorkshire police were talking bollotics
well, technically speaking, if liverpool fans didnt rush in without tickets there would have been no crush. i don't understand the logic of suddenly disliking a guy just because he said one thing you disagree with. It is incredibly short sighted and judgemental.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Neither did the late Mr Clough, Rip. You should educate yourself if your going to trample of the souls of 96 dead Liverpool fans. The Hillsborough Independent Panel (HIP) report concluded crowd congestion outside the stadium was "not caused by fans arriving late" for the kick-off. The turnstiles, it said, were "inadequate to process the crowd safely" and the rate of entry insufficient to prevent a dangerous build-up outside the ground. The jury's Said The behaviour of Liverpool supporters did not cause or contribute to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles. Giving evidence at the Hillsborough Inquests, Mr Duckenfield admitted: "Everybody knew the truth. The fans and police knew the truth that we'd opened the gates." The jury was asked to consider why he lied - whether it was in panic or fear of public disorder. Or because Mr Duckenfield knew his actions beforehand were responsible for the crushing in the pens. Mr Duckenfield also admitted failing to tell Mr Kelly and Mr Mackrell that it was his order to open the exit gate C - a "lie by omission", The inquests were told that Mr Duckenfield's lie, led to some seriously inaccurate reporting of events. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
@@davidbamford1971 only because the campaign went on and on. No doubt it was badly policed. Did Liverpool fans turn up with out tickets and try to get in?? It’s wrong that it should fall on a man’s shoulders when no one knows what to do in a situation where a mass of fans without tickets try and rush in. Also don’t say they wasn’t drunk because a lot was. We had to rebuild our wall which was kicked down , pick cans out of the garden and stop them pissing in it. We live on the corner of leppings lane. To say they totally blameless is the biggest load of nonsense. Just because they don’t want to take some responsibility in the death of the poor 96 on that day. It’s coward behaviour. To play the victim is sickening to be honestly
@@supermadvillian Liverpool fans behave always is stupid. When they play against FC Porto years after this tragedy in Portugal they behave like idiot. Soon or later they gone kill some of is own again
Complete lie. Liverpool have had a memorial inside Anfield for years now to the victims at Heysel. They also regularly send club representatives whenever memorial services are held in Turin.
People who can't accept that they were wrong to blame Liverpool for Hillsborough for decades could go on about Heysel for ages but ignore when the discussion is actually about something else. Shocking.
The difference between Hillsborough and Heysel. Heysel was premeditated murder and Liverpool fans went to prison. Im a Forest fan, I hold Clough in the greatest regards as a manager, but he was not correct at the time in his view, he didn't have the facts about Hillsborough like he thought he had.
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
@@Marcus__Trance The inquest that was heavily influenced by the Scouse mob? Ticketless fans turning up to the games at the last minute trying to jib in.
Good old Brian, seems he was on the sauce whilst writing his shitty, pompous book. If only he were alive to see the truth finally come out, never mind. YNWA.
They opened the gates because the situation outside looked like it could cause casualties. There was a huge press, even lifting a police horse off the ground, it was claimed. However, common sense tells you that if a crush is bad outside, with room and places to go, it's going to be much worse inside, with nowhere to go. That one decision was the worst made that day, I think, although it was made under pressure. But that's their job. . The fans pushing were foolish but that's what crowds often do, especially if they are trying to get somewhere. Then the police really messed up by trying to blame others.
Just read through all these posts and comments and I reckon there's a few people on here peddling the lies whilst it's still in court. We SEE through YOU ! JFT 96 .
To be fair a lot of people shared this opinion at the time. When faced with facts later he was big enough change it. It's the moronic element who ignore proven fact and cling to this opinion now that you have to feel sorry for.
im just seeing this and frankly im appalled at some of the comments about cloughie. fact: the police lied, fact the police made some incredible mistakes. fact all of those that tragically died were innocent and anything i say after this does not detract from that. fact at 14.30 hillsborough park still had hundreds if not thousands of liverpool fans still there, many drinking i was one of the last forest fans in the ground at about 14.45. Fact police were shit at crowd control in them days it was quite common to rush the turnstiles or gates. i agree with cloughies view i dont think he would change it today, i havent, irrespective of what has been said in the court, though i do believe there should be justice for the 96 because they were innocent. i do know that if i was one of those liverpool fans that rushed in from the back, just after liverpool had a shot on goal and the crowd roared, i would still be carrying my share of the guilt
He did change his opinion though. And the reason fans were rushing in from the back was due to police not doing there fucking jobs. The police staring it in the face couldnt see what was happening why would a uy at the back trying to get in? It was the pens and the police. Justice taylor omitted fans within the first year. But the government tried to smear and blame other people. Chnaging hundreds of police statements for gods sake. Yet STILL YOU know better. Do you think HIllsborough was the ONLY time people have gone to a match and had a few drinks and not had tickets??
nothing to do with hundreds or a thousand Liverpool fans travelling to the game with sole intent of charging turn styles to get in - once again deluded
Fans were completely absolved from any blame by 2 separate investigations but Paul fucking Burgin off youtube knows better. If only theyd had you in there telling the truth because im sure Fans arrived late wasnt a thing they went over and cleared was it? From countless eye witness'.Take your agenda somewhere else you fucking dickhead. I was also there. There was no more or no less people turning up late than ANY other game. Certainly no more than the year before which,ironically, was policed properly and NO ONE died. Late arrivals to a bottleneck that was not looked at before the game by the Chief of police on that day was easily avoided if police did their jobs like they do daily all over the world at sporting events, If the same negligence was show by Authority at huge events like the Semi final then there would be many more disasters. There arent because they are policed and stewarded properly or at least competently and to cover it up afterwards and take blood from barely teenage boys to try and force a 'Drunk fan' story is is fucking disgusting but keep trying to fit everthing in into your tribal narrative. Fans have been cleared of any wrong doing.
Boy Racer no pal the authority’s and media these days are too scared to tell the truth,I’m not putting all the blame on the fans at all but there are fans who were there that day that are part responsible
Absolutely. Don’t care what any report or verdict says. The fans definitely had SOME part to play in it all. It’s ironic that they’ve campaigned for “justice” all these years, yet refused to accept any responsibility whatsoever. You can’t have justice without all involved accepting responsibility
I can still very vividly remember some of the *very* early CCTV pictures that came through from outside the ground, before the full magnitude of what transpired had unraveled. I saw Liverpool fans being *very* aggressive towards the police, throwing bottles at mounted officers and what have you. Do I think that what happened ultimately was their fault? No, not at all. But I do have a certain amount of sympathy with some of those boots on the ground who, in the moment, likely thought that letting them in was the best course of action to avoid escalation *outside* the ground. Once inside, of course there were horrific errors of judgment made by the police and unforgivable delays which caused 96 tragic and needless deaths.
The layout of, the entrances and exits, and the pens and fences of the terrace where indeed a contributing factor. However it was the shear ineptitude and criminal negligence of South Yorkshire Police that was by far the biggest factor in causing the tragedy.
+Jack O'Keefe. I think you'll find It's been proven that it wasn't Liverpool fan's fault. But a nearly 30 yeart cover up by South Yorkshire police and certain sections of the media. That was proven in a court of law and an inquest. So get your facts straight.
my facts I saw with my own eyes at 2-55pm. Organised rush at turn styles dont care what was reported how can those fans not think they contributed laughable
csb73 What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!! How would he know what went on outside the ground from The touch line! Big mouthed git!
Some of the postings on this site blaming the supporters is nothing short of disgraceful written by who ? People I walk cross the road from . Either they are desensitised, or have psychological or emotional trauma effecting their humanity
Shame he is unable to see the various documentaries on You Tube revealing the facts about why our fans were put in that situation so he can take back his words "Well they did" well they fucking did not.
I read on here people blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough and Heysel. Well, LFCs only crime, over both tragedies, was for a tiny minority to respond in the wrong manner. The opening of Leppings Lane’s gates, Was without doubt, the cause of the tragedy. If the police commander in charge that day, had his two daughters in that section, he would never have made such an irresponsible/culpable decision. The tiny minority that pushed against those just walking, may have unwittingly played some part in it, but they did not cause it! The pushing was fully observed by police officers prior to the gates being opened. Responsible policing would have prevented the tragedy 100%. Therefore, North Yorkshire constabulary are culpable, period! As for Heysel, Liverpool FC have a dedicated memorial to the tragedy. Again, poor policing and ground neglect was the cause, with both sets of fans unwittingly adding to the tragedy. Juventus and Liverpool fans began the terrible events by taunting and throwing flares and other objects at each other, but to have two large, opposing sets of fans so close, without any sufficient stewarding/policing to keep them apart was culpable of the event organisers and policing. This was a time when almost every club around the world was suffering crowd hooliganism, including Forest, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea...Juventus had a particularly nasty (minority) element of far-right facist thugs within their fans. I like to think that Liverpool fans have learned not to react to other people’s failings, and truly understand, that even throwing bottles at players coaches, or mishandling/throwing flares, can, under certain circumstances, turn to tragedy! Let’s also be grateful, of many other situations that could have turned into tragedies, far too many to list, but just one recent one below. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2329178/Prison-for-United-fans-who-fought-in-Rome.html
So by Liverpool having a memorial changes everything that happened at Heysel?. Pure scum. They killed 97 of their own and 39 at Heysel. Horrible horrible fans.
Love Cloughy as a leeds fan wish we had given him more time! in todays world of sterile snowflakes at least he spoke his mind and didn't dance around a question like him or not he was true to himself
Still shouldn’t have said it! He obviously didn’t have any facts on the matter anyway so why say anything at all!?! He wrote about this in his book blaming Liverpool fans. Jst one of many occasions in which he should’ve kept his big mouth firmly shut but his ego wouldn’t allow that!!!
It’s his opinion but how would he off felt had Barbara or some of his kids had gone to that game in that end? He wouldn’t of been saying it their fault he’d be broken hearted so nah.
@M Right but I think the point no one wants to make is that liverpool fans definitely excessively packed themselves in...and as he pointed out it was in their end...the fans are not children or mindlessly brain dead, some personal responsibility for the tragedy needs to occur and not just wholesale hand waving.
@@Gaga4Parma With any event, it is quite normal for anyone to channel towards the entrance, and that's all the fans did. And once caught in the sea of people, there was little choice but to go with the tide. This horrific tragedy was ultimately due to poor planning & crowd control decisions and unheeded warnings, not just in '81 but also in '88. For further information, the report of the Hillsborough Independent Panel HC 581 is a long but interesting read, and exposes why Hillsborough '89 was truly a recipe for disaster.
.....and Hen Shitters is a typical numpty who was obviously born after Heysel and thinks he knows all about it, but actually just follows the herd with his unoriginal blend of bullshit.
Before you comment, the full truth of Hillsborough came to light only a few years ago, long after this interview. This is a comments section full of people looking to be shocked and offended. Stop it.
Oh for Christ's sake... All Clough did was make a couple of objective observations regarding the incident. Mistakes were made that day, and the fact is NOT ALL of those mistakes were made by the authorities. The fact that Liverpool Football Club (TO THIS DAY) point-blank refuses to take ANY responsibility for happened at Hillsborough is fucking outrageous! Particularly when you consider the club's history. Case-in-Point: It's well-documented that during the 1980s in particular, English football fans were a known and feared entity in world football, with Liverpool fans being very much at the forefront - a specific example being the Heysel Stadium disaster where, only 4 years prior to Hillsborough, 39 Juventus fans were killed when Liverpool fans CHARGED and BREACHED a fence separating the two sets of supporters, causing the Juventus fans to retreat onto a concrete retaining wall which subsequently collapsed. Now, before I'm summarily garrotted for daring to insinuate that not ALL Liverpool supporters are Jesus Christ reincarnated, let me say this: of course, what happened at Hillsborough was not ENTIRELY the fault of the Liverpool fans... but nor was it ENTIRELY the fault of the authorities! The truth is, based on the behaviour of the Liverpool supporters, both historically and on the night, Clough wasn't wrong to make the observation that he did.
I have no doubt he honestly did think at the time the fans was at fault. and for a long time it did look that way. personally i think cloughy was/is legend and its a disgrace he never managed england...oh how we could do with him now. and this is comming from a life long liverpool fan
Worth noting that he changed his opinion in later years, admitting that his original view was based more on the hooliganism issues of the era than the policing issues of Hillsborough.
He was told to change his opinion by the owner/editor of his magazine column.
@@pc2405 Agreed. The campaign by the families of the victims was too powerful at that time for anyone in the public eys to disagree with the stance they took. Interesting that Anderson's point was about not causing upset rather than Clough being incorrect.
Clough is a legend has only spoken the truth and he wasn’t wrong here.
@@rhythmquest I agree and, even if he were wrong, he should have been allowed to have an opinion.
Everyone has to change their opinions for lefties today as the left have destroyed freedom of speech.
Apparently he changed his mind years later. But I think this highlights it's everybody's right to have an opinion, even if others don't agree, and even if that opinion is wrong. And you have the right to change your opinion later. Personally I don't see how it can be a crime simply to be one of a large number of people going to a football match. And who wouldn't go through an open gate into a stadium when you have travelled hundreds of miles in the hope of watching a top football match? Shouldn't the blame lie mostly with the authorities who witnessed something very similar at the same ground just a few years earlier - and did absolutely nothing to prevent that disaster so obviously waiting to happen? I write all this, of course, with 20/20 hindsight vision. RIP the 96, and condolences to all their families and friends.
Yeah people can have an opinion but but the upset and offence it can cause sometimes they got keep opinion to themselves
He didn't..
If you turn up without a ticket and then cause a crush?
@lifestooshort5392 why you lying for
@@SFNDMK it’s an accepted fact that Liverpool fans turned up without tickets.
The ground was not fit to hpld a semi final. in 81 wolves v spurs there were fans spilling onto the pitch 87 Leeds v xoventry , the Leeds fans were xrammed into the Leppings lane end . my brother couldn't breathe after the game . he thought he was gonna die. sadly an accident waiting to happen.
I was at that game as a Cov fan on the kop and I heard countless city fans state they should have been at the other end and Leeds on the Kop as it looked rammed full. In the quarter final we played there City were at the leppings lane end and have heard first hand from a family member that it was very uncomfortable to be in that end. A disaster waiting to happen that did not wait long.
No accident, a disaster waiting to happen.
Ian Bennett All you fans that know all about football grounds in the 80's amaze me. Every standing area was uncomfortable when it was full. Look at the films from that time. A disaster waiting to happen YES. It just happened to be at Hillsborough. It could have happened at any of the big stadiums with very bad policing and 1500 ticketless fans.
But it didnte and it nearly happened at Hillsbrough multile times before. They didnt even have a fucking Valid safety License and Duckenfield didnt attend the ground ONCE when given the appointment to do his job and see how these types of things could be avoided which even AFTER the crush outside, Could have been by simply directing people AWAY from that pen into the smaller pens there were NO police there doing that. Its their fucking Job. Not there job to make Video recordings go missing and change over 100 statements.
@@craigeast3682 - There were not 1500 ticketless fans, if you're going to open your disgusting mouth then get your facts straight boy.
Did he not see the 81 semi final at hillsborough? Major crushing in leppings lane end and 39 injuries
Perhaps he would blame the spurs fans?
Leppings lane was too small as a standing area for big crowds, should not have been used after 1981 and I read even before that there were crushing episodes!!
He wasn't asked about 81. He was asked about 89.
@@raversrevenge8452 Maybe if he had known about it he wouldn't have looked so ignorant. '89 was not an isolated incident
@@nickmc1142 what did you want him to do? Google it before the Internet existed?
A similar thing also happened in 1988 the year before. Liverpool brought this to the attention of the FA but were ignored.
The ground hadn't been updated since the 30s they find old newspapers from the 30s stuffed in the barriers.
0:39 Brian Clough telling it how it is, like he said no one else was pushing that day.
Learn to queue up in a normal, civilised manner and this tragedy would never have happened.
We did you tool
Reported for misinformation. The Liverpool fans were not to blame, the inquest has vindicated them all and rightly so.
All the factors that caused the Hillsborough disaster have happened at countless Football matches before over and over again, but sadly they all came together on that fateful day of April 15th 1989! The saddest day of my life!!! Liverpool F.C. forever! And Justice for the 96 at last!!!
Very true words bud ya a gent, Up the Toon
I was in Celtic park that day to watch Rangers v St Johnstone, Couldn't believe it when I heard the news. RIP 💙66❤96
@King Royal What airport's this?
@King Royal are you on crack?
@King Royal good, get it round u ya hun rat
Had Heysel not happened, I don't think that the conventional logic at the time would've been to blame Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. That incident unfairly clouded a different incident 4 years later.
It was a simple matter of 'here we go again'.
heysel happened
So did Hillsborough.
I wonder if there is a common factor...
@@MrRodzilla
The fans were blamed on minute 1, the police there would have done the same had it been a different club. More than a few 'close encounters' at Hillsborough in the years leading up to this btw
So did hillsbrogh and so did ibrox?are you choosing the favourite one or not accepting that heysel was accepted and justice served?
Much as I admired Brian Clough. He was totally wrong in what he said on Hillsborough tragedy, lacking sensitivity & compassion towards the victims.
Karmatic justice?
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No he wasn't. He's right. Drunken yobs with no tickets caused this disaster.
@@lardy70s Perimeter fences, poor design of stadium & Policing at Hillsborough all contributory factors. Anne Williams campaigner for Justice for 96 R.I.P.
@@ianhart8811 yes they're all factors. If it wasn't for the drunken, ticketless yobs that forced their way into the ground then this tragedy wouldn't have happened. Liverpool fans caused this. Open your eyes and stop trying to detract the blame from yourselves. RIP to the 97.
@@lardy70s your immature, how were 15, 14 and 10 year old boys drunk?. You’re a total idiot the police have since admitted it was them that open the gate and it wasn’t broken down by fans. Read history all of it
Cloughie later realised he was wrong and said: "“I now accept the investigations have made me realise I was misinformed.
I wasn't trying to be vindictive or unsympathetic, but my opinion has altered over the years. It was never my intention to hurt anyone.”
He still shouldn't have ever said this though. How could he not realise how hurtful it was? I'm a lifelong Forest fan btw.
Great comment Simon!!
I wasn't aware he admitted he was wrong and to be fair it's little wonder people were under the wrong impression such was the intensity and onesidedness of the media's coverage at the time.
I agree though...... how on earth did he think his initial comments could be construed as anything other than deeply offensive???
I dont think for one minute his comments were meant to hurt.......On the face of it , as he saw it on the day , he was right in what he said,.......But didnt realise it was actually the the Fault of the Police that caused the tragedy
@@michaelrudge3927 I wonder what Cloughie would have to say about it now...Now that we know the truth...from what I remember Clough was just going on what he was told happened and certain sections of the media did not do much to convince him otherwise
Why Shouldn’t He Have Said It?
It wasn't their fault it was the incompetence of the police and the fact that inside the ground there were no stewards directing the fans to either side of the tunnel were there was loads of room. I watched it live and could even see this as a Liverpool fan.
To think Scousers are usually quite adapt at climbing fences when they are performing a B&E
What do you know about Liverpudlians shithead 💩
You're worthless
To say that thousands of fans who HAD been drinking turning up with a few minutes to go had NOTHING to do with it is ridiculous
Drink didn't play any part in it you fool. Read the report.
The capacity was wildly overestimated, there were no more Liverpool fans than the stated capacity and the police didn't close off the central pens. The crush was already beginning before the gate was open. The FA had ignored warnings about crushes (due to the capacity of the ground not being as high as claimed) and the potential for congestion at the turnstiles. Liverpool fans (I'm not one) are not to blame.
Shame on BRIAN CLOUGH, I wonder how this tastes now he's in the next life....
Thousands off fans trying to get into 20 odd turnstiles is wa coursed it u fucking bellend
@@lewisbuxton6690 So its the fans fault? Is that what you're saying?
Ticketless fans trying to get in for nothing
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
@@Marcus__Trance always the victims never your fault.
Theatre of Dreams
Ticket-less fans should not have been there. End of.
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
I agree with Brian and love that he doubled down.
Even though he's wrong?
As much as I love Brian Clough, his comments were out of *such* proportion here and insulting to the victims and their families. But again, Hillsborough *will* sadly remain one of Britain's greatest ever cover-ups. I mean, the chief superintendent of Yorkshire police of that day (David Duckenfield) has been legally acquitted twice of lawful wrongdoing. But sadly again, when do English football fans themselves learn (e.g. the Euro 2020 final).
@King Royal Yes there was. Why are people still to this day denying it when the evidence is against the police. Forget about Liverpool for a sec but this is people's lives we are talking about.
The Liverpool fans were 100% to blame.
Spot on Cloughie , he has said what EVERYONE knows is the truth .
As with Cloughy you need to go and research the FACTS and then comment
@@geoffreyquirk6201 I know the facts, just like everyone else who knows what the Liverpool fans are like .
ANY other team and that wouldn’t have happened that day , now they are the facts .
@@kevvo26exactly right. I honestly hate Liverpool as they try and detract the blame from themselves all the time.
@@lardy70sThey always have done and ALWAYS will do.
What do you know about it?? You weren’t there
Something happens to you once you make a personal commitment to honour and serve The Truth; it has a subtle and progressive effect of completely taking you over and altering the very nature of your Being until it makes you Whole.
Nice.
Reading comments on here remind me why I have gone off football. Vile comments from some.
Its worse now though because they can hide behind their computers. Most of these rats wouldnt dare say it in real life.
I'm a villa fan but grow up loving liverpool in 70s and 80s made me proud to b English but iv been to a semi final ov the fa cup wd the villa I like a drink shag punch up and sniff u dont turn up 5000 strung at 5 2 3 u get in the ground at 230 soak the atmosphere up thay turned up and rushed the gates couse thay had no tickets same 4 the people that passed theres a lot ov scouser wd boold on there hands great club tho
Yes
And Hearing his comments remind me why I went off Brian Clough
But none so vile as his
Martin Buttler shut up you fkn idiot the police opened the gates where have you been you moron?
I'm not defending Clough in any way , although he was wrong in this case . He had no filter when it came to opinions . He said what he thought whether it was wrong or right . I remember when Nott'm Forest played Celtic in a UEFA Cup match in 1983 . A wall collapsed at the Celtic end of the ground. Clough rose from his dugout and went over to the Celtic fans and starting berating them for fighting and causing the mayhem . Later , when the facts emerged , he begrudgingly retracted his condemnation . Cloughie always acted impulsively in such matters .
Easily the best manager ever and I support lfc but total bollocks 96 died prick and oh my god these lfc scum how dare they get stretchers and help each other while pissing and the rest. Rest your head you should be ashamed.
It was the Liverpool fans
And how would you know?
@@carlholleran2037 because I know
@@richycairns2735 and what the fuck would you know about it dickhead?
@@richycairns2735 you know nothing ✌️
These are Brian Cloughs words in 2001:
Finally, in 2001, he said: “I now accept the investigations have made me realise I was misinformed. I wasn't trying to be vindictive or unsympathetic, but my opinion has altered over the years. It was never my intention to hurt anyone.”
So, this apparently intelligent man of the people was blinded by the light of truth for 12 long years.
Clough never changed his view. He was ordered to release that statement in 2001 by his employer, as his remarks on Hillsborough had caused controversy regarding his weekly column.
So glad Sir Bernard Ingham never apologised for telling the truth.
I feel the issue with saying they brought it on themselves is that the ones who died were at the front, with tickets and did absolutely nothing wrong. The Liverpool fans who turned up drunk without a ticket and late are probably partially to blame along with the police.
Have a read of the Hillsborough Independent Panel Report, might enlighten a few on here who have no idea what they're talking about.
@@pc2405 is there something in particular that I said which is wrong/ you disagree with?
@@paulcasey4282 "drunk without a ticket and late" is incorrect.
Drunk - No arrests for drunkenness and also no photographs of drunk fans or bins full of cans despite the police searching through the vast amount of photos taken that day.
Tickets - Using ground cctv the report counted the number of fans that entered the Leppings Lane either by turnstile or the gate (which was opened by the police). The number of fans counted was very close to the number of tickets sold (I think the number of fans counted was actually less than number of tickets sold).
Late - It's estimated that 5000 fans were still outside at 14.30 for a match started at 15.00. This is because there was an insufficient amount of turnstiles open to allow fans to enter (it's all there proven in the report). The police first reported a crush outside at 14.30 to a match commander who had arrived at the ground at 14.15.
@@pc2405 Thank you for the information. I don't want it to come across that I support the initial report by the police which was obviously bogus.
With regards to alcohol, it seems that the initial report way oversold the story but at any football game, there are going to be small groups who are too drunk. Football hooliganism was/is a problem in all of English football and particularly with Liverpool. Only back in 2018 they threw projectiles at the Man City bus and it was not taken seriously by Liverpool the club or the fans. The reason why I am saying this seemingly irrelevant information is because I admit maybe I am being biased by the fanbase's other actions and assuming there was more blame than there maybe should be.
@@paulcasey4282 Your a dickhead who clearly has a problem with Liverpool.
Clough is effectively saying - if you get on a plane in a casually and slightly disorderly manner through the wrong gate after queuing in a very narrow corridor. with loads of other people And then the plane crashes because of engine failure. It's your own fault.
No what he's saying is if thousands of you turn up to the plane having not bought a ticket and force your way on, it's probably gonna crash
@@BT-kc3ee And what the inquiry says was "if thousands of you turn up to the plane having not bought a ticket and force your way on, it's the Police to blame, not you".
@@bingola45 exactly
@@wrath_of_thrawn2163 The police didn't behave very honourably in the aftermath.
instead of co-operating with the enquiry, they went into 'self-preservation' mode, muddying the waters in an effort to pre-empt the inevitable accusation of blame by the Liverpool fans.
I doubt we will ever know the true chain of events which led to this dreadful disaster.
you wouldn't get on a plane without a ticket ya clown.
I just wish Cloughie had been around when the truth came out years later
He was well dead by then drunk in a ditch and still think he was the greatest manager ynea
Love the man, but he was wrong what he said,
@@granto6738 He was correct.
@@leefairfield7537 I love the man but he was a bit harsh, big mis
@@granto6738 He’s from an age where people didnt take offence and he was right about what he said
It's quite apparent that Brian, at least, hadn't nearly a clue exactly how the tragedy came about. I can't fault him for that, because so much of the truth was being hidden and suppressed to the wider public. What I do think is terrible though was his insistence on being right, if only based on a feeling. For such an intelligent man, he let pride get the better of his judgement a little too often, and when it concerns the lives lost at Hillsborough, it becomes a dangerous tool of propaganda. Shame on him for going so many years acting as an authority on what happened.
There was no truth hidden, the main gates opened, people who didn’t have a ticket rushed in and swamped the lower stands, Police opened some gates into the pitch midway through to allow some people to spill out but there was too many. Simple.
It was all videoed and recorded.
@@matthewcoupeofficial There were not more people in there than had tickets. That is an old myth. Its just that more people ended up in the central pens. The two side pens had far less people. The crush started OUTSIDE due to the lax nature of the police. They allowed it to happen. No filtering process.
He was always right. He’s an egotist.
Great manager, possibly the best British manager of all time but he was an absolute joke of a man.
Blaming drunk fans is ironic considering he was alcoholic himself.
He apologised years later but only because he was forced to.
He was the male version of Thatcher. Always right, never wrong, seemingly devoid of compassion.
@@lyndoncmp5751 That's what you want to believe but you're wrong because you can't accept that Liverpool fans killed their own that day. There were thousands of drunken Liverpool fans without tickets that stormed the stadium. Liverpool fans are very quiet when it comes to the Heysel disaster. Why is that???
Liverpool.....always the victim...
Clough wasnt there. He was in the changing room.
Maybe the police should have made all the forest squad and management get into hillsborough by climbing through a toilet window all at the same time.
Its all a matter of opinion hes not blaming anyone for anything hes merely stating his view on the matter. It was liverpools fault when it comes down to it anyway. My granddad died at hillborough and even im saying it was there fault because it was. so all the little buthurt girls on here should stop crying about shit that really doesnt affect them in any way shape or form
Tip old big head an amazing man who's entitled to his opinion.
Rip to all 96 who sadly lost their lives 💔
97 now it is and has been for a few years.
It's terrible the way the police forced those fans to travel without tickets and force the gate to be opened and then squashed them all into the ground. Shame on them.
Alan Dunne What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!!
Five years on, are you still thick as shit
100% correct
Back then we still didn’t really know how the disaster started or was caused.
We did (the people of Liverpool) Clough was probably drunk as F anyway and didn't know what he was talking about, Great manager but a top tit when it came to making them comments
No shit sherlock
Dear oh dear, wherever Brian Clough is now, the victims of Hillsborough will be there with him reminding him how wrong he was. What a shame he had that view.
Many people did unfortunately.
Brian commented with the facts he believed at the time if the police,s version of events were true then Brian was right,nobody likes to think the police would cover it up,had he had the facts today of the cover up i,m sure he would think differently.
JOE HAWKINGS I agree,i was annoyed when I watched this clip but things have changed and also time,ynwa
yes Joe Hawkings, I think you have got it just about right there. Although Brian was there, he wasn't outside the turnstiles so he couldn't possibly know what had gone on there. There are many people who have changed their opinion on Hillsborough over time, unfortunately Brian is no longer with us so we can't ask him now.
I Think Brian would have believed the police when they said there was no grooming going on in Rotherham to and the far right were lying,as it turned out the ones only telling the truth, for their own agenda of course, were the far right,Nobody wants to admit police counil social services were lying but the cover up was the same.
The Taylor Report had already exonerated the Liverpool fans years before Clough spoke shite.
knuddle1968 alky twat was probably pissed at the game, like he was in this clip.
Funny the way all these "football fans" have passes comment on fake tickets or fans without tickets like that day was the only game in history that fans tried to get in without tickets..... this happened in every big game with most clubs so the comments are aload of shite! Should never have been held at that stadium with what happened the year before. Police should have been more in control, the cover up and lies after it happened is what got LFC families and fans backs up over the whole tragedy!
Come on if the turnstiles were open any fan would go in the blame is the people running the gates for leaving them open and the police and media blaming the Liverpool fans is a disgrace.
I'm sure Cloughy would change his view if he could. His comments disappoint me greatly for a man I respect immensely. The basic reality is, regardless of how many fans turned up and where they were, the authorities have a duty of care once those supporters arrive at the stadium, to keep them safe. They failed to do that. There is the wider context here in terms of the disgusting behaviour of the establishment at the time and the years and years it took those brave families to correct all the lies that were put out there and thus became people's accepted thought process around Hillsborough. Collusion on a grand scale by the establishment in every corner. The process of the enquiry and the outcome will enable others who seek justice from tragedy, like the those poor souls at Grenfell Towers...
They had responsibility for it tho. People without tickets push in
@@MichaelSmith-jt1ff Go and read a book you cretin.
@@MichaelSmith-jt1ffReported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
I remember watching the Hillsborough tragedy unfold at the time. I remember watching the Heysel Stadium tragedy unfold at the time. I remember watching Liverpool fans rushing the turnstiles at the 2007 Champions League Final in Athens. However, the official policy is that there were no Liverpool fans involved at any of these events.
Proven in a court of law. But you watched it on TV?? You must fucking know better then. You also NEVER watched Liverpool fans rushing gates in Athens on the TV you fucking liar.
711honved What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!!
@@hazelwalsh3269 it was the fans who caused this. Liverpool scum just want to detract the blame from themselves.
Well said
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He’s right Tho it’s was their own fault like it usually is but as always they blame others
Shut up you fucking wanker
Watch Anne's story hopefully you'll change your mind .have a heart .
Scousers, weak mentality.
It wasn't and has been proven it wasn't
Love this man, but was out of line with his comments about Liverpool fans,
Always the victims
@@arthurmorgan7086 They were the victims in this case. Proven now. So fuck off.
Absolutely correct. Entirely their fault
Omg !! Are you a football fan ?
You walloper
Wow, nobheads like you still about
Bellend acting tough on the internet. Wouldn’t say that to anyone’s face
At last someone had the guts to say it
It's tricky and I always respected brian but sometimes it's best to say nowt
Fox m it’s never best to say nothing bro
Worth noting he was seen having a tipple around1,45pm thatday in the executive lounge .. WITH DUCKENFIELD THE MATCH COMMANDER
Proof ?
Oh dear Brian the biggest own goal anyone could score the authorities were to blame the police the fa simple RIP the 96 from a Boro lad
The Liverpool fans caused all of the deaths.
Reported for misinformation. The Liverpool fans were not to blame, the inquest has vindicated them all and rightly so.
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
@@Marcus__Trance The "inquest" was a joke.
The Liverpool fans charged the gate, causing all of the deaths.
@@Marcus__Trance The fans were 100% to blame.
He didn't always get it right, calling Tomaschevski a clown was plain ridiculous so was his accusations that Liverpool fans were solely responsible for Hillsborough.
And saying it was a shame for football when Italy won.
Police and Ground staff issue but fans have to take a certain amount of responsibility but I would have probably done the same.
A man who spoke common sense but in this day and age its forbidden. Spot on cloughy as always. Was a horrible tragedy but a tragic accident it was, cant really blame an accident on anyone if you really think about it. Blame the police for not doing more? They were outnumbered and dumbstruck. Blame the liverpool fans for keep piling in? No, they just wanted to get in. So who is at fault? Nobody ffs, it was a tragic accident. We can all play victim and blame someone else but cloughy is bang on as always, it was a pure travesty what happened that day
You can also blame it on hooliganism in general. This led to perimeter fencing that trapped in the fans. And, of course, how can you ignore thousands of fans turning up and the last minute (many, if not most, who had been drinking) and causing a crush outside the ground?
Sad thing is, the fans killed were the responsible ones who got there early and were already in the ground. No one seems to be able to make that distinction.
Liverpool fans killed their own plain and simple!.
@@lardy70s Agree. Looks to me like they were the ones turning up late, forcing their way in and crushing the fans.
@@pizzaboy3946 Absolutely. It's so tragic but it angers me that Liverpool fans want a scapegoat to detract the blame from themselves. I understand that the families want answers, but they're questioning the wrong people!.
@@lardy70s Yes, it's understandable given the grief suffered. But sad that the families of the responsible fans regard the drunken thugs as their own to ally with. It has become very political (hence the outrage at comments like these) and politics often seems to get on the way of a search for the truth.
I understand that Brian Clough could only go by what he knew at the time, and was expressing an opinion based on what he'd been told by police and Notts Forest staff, but he absolutely didnt need to be pointing the finger of blame in any of the victims direction. He had a habit of feeling he needed to comment on everything. He didnt.
NoMoreHideTheBall exactly. How the hell did he know what went on outside the ground from
The touch line! He just likes mouthing off. Arrogant git!!
That's why he was called big Ed
Not subjective enough
Too much of a know it all
when in truth we all know fuck all
but I know that the organisers, the police then and before the game (wolves v spurs hillsborough) were to control and manage the crowds and the kick off time.
RIP what a tragedy 😢😢😢
I liked Brian but think his comment was wrong,this was a disaster waiting to happen as the health and safety at football grounds at that time was virtually none existent,I remember going to an away game at Old Trafford when Man U where building a new stand at our end and it was like a gully leading to the make shift turnstiles and contiplas walls,I was lifted off my feet by the power of the crowd trying to get in so much so that temporary walls collapsed and we just walked in for free,which was great but prior to that it was a very frightening experience.
Football is taken far too seriously in this life. In the 80s it was chaos. Tragic for many people. Now players are on 100 grand a week. It's surreal.
Typical Liverpool fans turning up without tickets
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
@@Marcus__TranceWhat is red and white and can't climb a fence ???
@@jackkinoff6943your mum on her period✌️
Clough making comments without knowing the facts. Clough I've had enough!
They never want to hear about Heysel though
Hillsborough could have happened anytime to any team, it's just horrible fate it happened to Liverpool.They were always qualifying for the big matches where this tragedy was waiting to happen
Thank you
Only it happened again at Heysel...who was there? Oh yeah, LFC
Happened twice. To Liverpool.
...There was a radio phone in on Hallam FM (Sheffield's local radio station) that seemed to substantiate what Clough was alluding to. The irony was the Liverpool supporter mentioned who, with some of his mates, arrived late at the ground and was instrumental in the chaos of the surge to get in, was one of the 96 who lost their lives.
It is the police's job to police a football match, I'm an Evertonian, but if you are let into a stadium, you're going to go in. I've met people from Sheffield. They were all scabs. Does that mean everyone from Sheffield is a scab?
@@chrishaws204 Coal mining should have been phased out during the 1960s.
@@chrishaws204 ...The actual story was not from anyone in Sheffield. The presenter of the show often worked around the radio network and he got the report from a woman who worked at the Manchester Evening News who knew a reporter at the Liverpool Echo. He used to walk his dog across Stanley Park and saw this Liverpool fan most days and they would talk about the match. The week leading up to the semi final, the Liverpool fan mentioned he had'nt got tickets to the match but him and a few of his mates were going along to spend a few hours in the pub then 20 minutes before kick off, get in the queue and start jostling to cause a surge they knew the stewards could'nt cope with. They had done it at other grounds. The outpouring of grief for the ones who lost their lives overshadowed the part some other fans may have played in igniting the flame! But football fans are saints, are'nt they?
Always had great respect for Clough, loved his sense of humour and attitude. Not anymore! and it's finally been proven he and south yorkshire police were talking bollotics
well, technically speaking, if liverpool fans didnt rush in without tickets there would have been no crush.
i don't understand the logic of suddenly disliking a guy just because he said one thing you disagree with. It is incredibly short sighted and judgemental.
@@adlofheltirchiefadvisortot40 your information about liverpool fans entering ticketless in a high abundance has proved to be incorrect.
Brian didn't know this at the time though
Football is fun but don't get carried away with it.
Spot on Brian
I don't think Clough was wrong too often, but he was wrong here and admitted it later on.
He’s absolutely right.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Neither did the late Mr Clough, Rip.
You should educate yourself if your going to trample of the souls of 96 dead Liverpool fans.
The Hillsborough Independent Panel (HIP) report concluded crowd congestion outside the stadium was "not caused by fans arriving late" for the kick-off. The turnstiles, it said, were "inadequate to process the crowd safely" and the rate of entry insufficient to prevent a dangerous build-up outside the ground.
The jury's Said The behaviour of Liverpool supporters did not cause or contribute to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles.
Giving evidence at the Hillsborough Inquests, Mr Duckenfield admitted: "Everybody knew the truth. The fans and police knew the truth that we'd opened the gates." The jury was asked to consider why he lied - whether it was in panic or fear of public disorder. Or because Mr Duckenfield knew his actions beforehand were responsible for the crushing in the pens. Mr Duckenfield also admitted failing to tell Mr Kelly and Mr Mackrell that it was his order to open the exit gate C - a "lie by omission",
The inquests were told that Mr Duckenfield's lie, led to some seriously inaccurate reporting of events.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
@@davidbamford1971 only because the campaign went on and on. No doubt it was badly policed. Did Liverpool fans turn up with out tickets and try to get in?? It’s wrong that it should fall on a man’s shoulders when no one knows what to do in a situation where a mass of fans without tickets try and rush in. Also don’t say they wasn’t drunk because a lot was. We had to rebuild our wall which was kicked down , pick cans out of the garden and stop them pissing in it. We live on the corner of leppings lane. To say they totally blameless is the biggest load of nonsense. Just because they don’t want to take some responsibility in the death of the poor 96 on that day. It’s coward behaviour. To play the victim is sickening to be honestly
@@supermadvillian Liverpool fans behave always is stupid.
When they play against FC Porto years after this tragedy in Portugal they behave like idiot.
Soon or later they gone kill some of is own again
Exactly right. They killed their own.
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Liverpool could go on about Hillsborough for ages but as a club ignore Heysel. Shocking
Complete lie. Liverpool have had a memorial inside Anfield for years now to the victims at Heysel. They also regularly send club representatives whenever memorial services are held in Turin.
People who can't accept that they were wrong to blame Liverpool for Hillsborough for decades could go on about Heysel for ages but ignore when the discussion is actually about something else. Shocking.
People went to prison over Heysel dickhead
Tommy Steeples I agree he was
The difference between Hillsborough and Heysel. Heysel was premeditated murder and Liverpool fans went to prison. Im a Forest fan, I hold Clough in the greatest regards as a manager, but he was not correct at the time in his view, he didn't have the facts about Hillsborough like he thought he had.
Completely their fault and they know it
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
@@Marcus__Trance The inquest that was heavily influenced by the Scouse mob?
Ticketless fans turning up to the games at the last minute trying to jib in.
@@Marcus__Trance The fans were 100% to blame.
Good old Brian, seems he was on the sauce whilst writing his shitty, pompous book.
If only he were alive to see the truth finally come out, never mind.
YNWA.
They opened the gates because the situation outside looked like it could cause casualties. There was a huge press, even lifting a police horse off the ground, it was claimed.
However, common sense tells you that if a crush is bad outside, with room and places to go, it's going to be much worse inside, with nowhere to go. That one decision was the worst made that day, I think, although it was made under pressure. But that's their job. . The fans pushing were foolish but that's what crowds often do, especially if they are trying to get somewhere. Then the police really messed up by trying to blame others.
Just read through all these posts and comments and I reckon there's a few people on here peddling the lies whilst it's still in court.
We SEE through YOU !
JFT 96 .
To be fair a lot of people shared this opinion at the time. When faced with facts later he was big enough change it. It's the moronic element who ignore proven fact and cling to this opinion now that you have to feel sorry for.
im just seeing this and frankly im appalled at some of the comments about cloughie. fact: the police lied, fact the police made some incredible mistakes. fact all of those that tragically died were innocent and anything i say after this does not detract from that. fact at 14.30 hillsborough park still had hundreds if not thousands of liverpool fans still there, many drinking i was one of the last forest fans in the ground at about 14.45. Fact police were shit at crowd control in them days it was quite common to rush the turnstiles or gates. i agree with cloughies view i dont think he would change it today, i havent, irrespective of what has been said in the court, though i do believe there should be justice for the 96 because they were innocent. i do know that if i was one of those liverpool fans that rushed in from the back, just after liverpool had a shot on goal and the crowd roared, i would still be carrying my share of the guilt
He did change his opinion though. And the reason fans were rushing in from the back was due to police not doing there fucking jobs. The police staring it in the face couldnt see what was happening why would a uy at the back trying to get in? It was the pens and the police. Justice taylor omitted fans within the first year. But the government tried to smear and blame other people. Chnaging hundreds of police statements for gods sake. Yet STILL YOU know better.
Do you think HIllsborough was the ONLY time people have gone to a match and had a few drinks and not had tickets??
nothing to do with hundreds or a thousand Liverpool fans travelling to the game with sole intent of charging turn styles to get in - once again deluded
and yes I was there at 2-55 and Yes I did witness it with my own eyes. As above post said late arrivals and police failings have blood on their hands
Fans were completely absolved from any blame by 2 separate investigations but Paul fucking Burgin off youtube knows better. If only theyd had you in there telling the truth because im sure Fans arrived late wasnt a thing they went over and cleared was it? From countless eye witness'.Take your agenda somewhere else you fucking dickhead. I was also there. There was no more or no less people turning up late than ANY other game. Certainly no more than the year before which,ironically, was policed properly and NO ONE died. Late arrivals to a bottleneck that was not looked at before the game by the Chief of police on that day was easily avoided if police did their jobs like they do daily all over the world at sporting events, If the same negligence was show by Authority at huge events like the Semi final then there would be many more disasters. There arent because they are policed and stewarded properly or at least competently and to cover it up afterwards and take blood from barely teenage boys to try and force a 'Drunk fan' story is is fucking disgusting but keep trying to fit everthing in into your tribal narrative. Fans have been cleared of any wrong doing.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35473732 Try number 1
well said Brian, everyone thinks the same but afraid to say
Respect him so much for saying this everyone else is scared to death to tell the truth
Are you seriously that thick? The truth is out, this clip is decades old.
Boy Racer no pal the authority’s and media these days are too scared to tell the truth,I’m not putting all the blame on the fans at all but there are fans who were there that day that are part responsible
@@liamd6363 - Shame on you Liam, shame on you.
Absolutely. Don’t care what any report or verdict says. The fans definitely had SOME part to play in it all. It’s ironic that they’ve campaigned for “justice” all these years, yet refused to accept any responsibility whatsoever. You can’t have justice without all involved accepting responsibility
@@DJ-ql7eo as we know, people who die in shootings just shouldn't have gotten out of bed, it's partly their fault
I can still very vividly remember some of the *very* early CCTV pictures that came through from outside the ground, before the full magnitude of what transpired had unraveled. I saw Liverpool fans being *very* aggressive towards the police, throwing bottles at mounted officers and what have you. Do I think that what happened ultimately was their fault? No, not at all. But I do have a certain amount of sympathy with some of those boots on the ground who, in the moment, likely thought that letting them in was the best course of action to avoid escalation *outside* the ground. Once inside, of course there were horrific errors of judgment made by the police and unforgivable delays which caused 96 tragic and needless deaths.
Makes me wonder if he was yet again drunk on this clip he was a legend in his own mind
@@jameslamprell4189 offended by everything, responsible for nothing. Absolutely perfect
Moran
@@colmoreilly1323 don't get your. reply if your attempting to wind me up it should be Moron but reading your name it speaks volumes.
@@michaelmoran9399 cry because he’s spot on
Truth hurts
The ground was clearly not fit for purpose to hold a game of that magnitude at the time end of story really?
The layout of, the entrances and exits, and the pens and fences of the terrace where indeed a contributing factor. However it was the shear ineptitude and criminal negligence of South Yorkshire Police that was by far the biggest factor in causing the tragedy.
+Jack O'Keefe. I think you'll find It's been proven that it wasn't Liverpool fan's fault. But a nearly 30 yeart cover up by South Yorkshire police and certain sections of the media. That was proven in a court of law and an inquest. So get your facts straight.
my facts I saw with my own eyes at 2-55pm. Organised rush at turn styles dont care what was reported how can those fans not think they contributed laughable
@@paulburgin9442 See above..
He was right the first time
Felt really sorry for his son nigel after cloughs naive comments when eventually signing for Liverpool
Brian spoke the truth, plain and simple.
csb73 What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!! How would he know what went on outside the ground from
The touch line! Big mouthed git!
how was he allowed at the game that day if as he always was, was pissed?
Pist he was there but he reacted his statement for four for two mag
Different now justice done mr clough
His words still hurt.
JFT 96
Pablo Jablo no they don’t for gods sake!
Some of the postings on this site blaming the supporters is nothing short of disgraceful written by who ? People I walk cross the road from . Either they are desensitised, or have psychological or emotional trauma effecting their humanity
Shame he is unable to see the various documentaries on You Tube revealing the facts about why our fans were put in that situation so he can take back his words "Well they did" well they fucking did not.
Justice for the 97
100% true ...and the truth hurts
I read on here people blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough and Heysel.
Well, LFCs only crime, over both tragedies, was for a tiny minority to respond in the wrong manner.
The opening of Leppings Lane’s gates, Was without doubt, the cause of the tragedy.
If the police commander in charge that day, had his two daughters in that section, he would never have made such an irresponsible/culpable decision.
The tiny minority that pushed against those just walking, may have unwittingly played some part in it, but they did not cause it! The pushing was fully observed by police officers prior to the gates being opened. Responsible policing would have prevented the tragedy 100%.
Therefore, North Yorkshire constabulary are culpable, period!
As for Heysel, Liverpool FC have a dedicated memorial to the tragedy.
Again, poor policing and ground neglect was the cause, with both sets of fans unwittingly adding to the tragedy.
Juventus and Liverpool fans began the terrible events by taunting and throwing flares and other objects at each other, but to have two large, opposing sets of fans so close, without any sufficient stewarding/policing to keep them apart was culpable of the event organisers and policing.
This was a time when almost every club around the world was suffering crowd hooliganism, including Forest, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea...Juventus had a particularly nasty (minority) element of far-right facist thugs within their fans.
I like to think that Liverpool fans have learned not to react to other people’s failings, and truly understand, that even throwing bottles at players coaches, or mishandling/throwing flares, can, under certain circumstances, turn to tragedy!
Let’s also be grateful, of many other situations that could have turned into tragedies, far too many to list, but just one recent one below.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2329178/Prison-for-United-fans-who-fought-in-Rome.html
Erm, why north Yorkshire constabulary? Do you know where Sheffield is located exactly?
So by Liverpool having a memorial changes everything that happened at Heysel?. Pure scum. They killed 97 of their own and 39 at Heysel. Horrible horrible fans.
How wrong can you be...very sad
He's not wrong that often but I think he was on this occasion. Y.N.W.A.
Love Cloughy as a leeds fan wish we had given him more time! in todays world of sterile snowflakes at least he spoke his mind and didn't dance around a question like him or not he was true to himself
Still shouldn’t have said it!
He obviously didn’t have any facts on the matter anyway so why say anything at all!?!
He wrote about this in his book blaming Liverpool fans.
Jst one of many occasions in which he should’ve kept his big mouth firmly shut but his ego wouldn’t allow that!!!
It’s his opinion but how would he off felt had Barbara or some of his kids had gone to that game in that end? He wouldn’t of been saying it their fault he’d be broken hearted so nah.
They'd have been in the Forest end where nothing happened.
The late, Great Brian Clough. He said it as is it is, with nothing held back.
@M Right but I think the point no one wants to make is that liverpool fans definitely excessively packed themselves in...and as he pointed out it was in their end...the fans are not children or mindlessly brain dead, some personal responsibility for the tragedy needs to occur and not just wholesale hand waving.
@@Gaga4Parma With any event, it is quite normal for anyone to channel towards the entrance, and that's all the fans did. And once caught in the sea of people, there was little choice but to go with the tide. This horrific tragedy was ultimately due to poor planning & crowd control decisions and unheeded warnings, not just in '81 but also in '88.
For further information, the report of the Hillsborough Independent Panel HC 581 is a long but interesting read, and exposes why Hillsborough '89 was truly a recipe for disaster.
Gaga4Parma They didn’t-as proven in a court of law
Prick
@@Gaga4Parma so they killed themselves prick
Jesus selling books is more important than people's lifes.
The dead of Heysel R.I.P
Are you a Juventus fan then?......Thought not.
Bryan Bellend wants to remember Hillsborough but forget Heysel or maybe indeed knows nothing about Heysel...definitely a textbook scouser.
.....and Hen Shitters is a typical numpty who was obviously born after Heysel and thinks he knows all about it, but actually just follows the herd with his unoriginal blend of bullshit.
Hahaha your work place is absolutely fuming about what you’ve said online. They want a meeting with me later to apologise on behalf of their company
@@hensmithers9687 I dare you to speak your opinion on this in public not on the comment section on TH-cam??? See what happens you piece of shit
Nothing to do with the state of the ground? Nothing to do with policing? Ok bri, keep reading the sun with your pint of whiskey in the mornings.
Before you comment, the full truth of Hillsborough came to light only a few years ago, long after this interview.
This is a comments section full of people looking to be shocked and offended. Stop it.
Oh for Christ's sake...
All Clough did was make a couple of objective observations regarding the incident. Mistakes were made that day, and the fact is NOT ALL of those mistakes were made by the authorities.
The fact that Liverpool Football Club (TO THIS DAY) point-blank refuses to take ANY responsibility for happened at Hillsborough is fucking outrageous! Particularly when you consider the club's history.
Case-in-Point:
It's well-documented that during the 1980s in particular, English football fans were a known and feared entity in world football, with Liverpool fans being very much at the forefront - a specific example being the Heysel Stadium disaster where, only 4 years prior to Hillsborough, 39 Juventus fans were killed when Liverpool fans CHARGED and BREACHED a fence separating the two sets of supporters, causing the Juventus fans to retreat onto a concrete retaining wall which subsequently collapsed.
Now, before I'm summarily garrotted for daring to insinuate that not ALL Liverpool supporters are Jesus Christ reincarnated, let me say this: of course, what happened at Hillsborough was not ENTIRELY the fault of the Liverpool fans... but nor was it ENTIRELY the fault of the authorities!
The truth is, based on the behaviour of the Liverpool supporters, both historically and on the night, Clough wasn't wrong to make the observation that he did.
it was completely the fault of the officials at the match. that has been proven. stop talking outta your arse.
yes it cant be denied but maybe clough didnt know all the facts at that time after all it took ages to come to light
so maybe he just got caught up in the press and police bullshit
I have no doubt he honestly did think at the time the fans was at fault. and for a long time it did look that way.
personally i think cloughy was/is legend and its a disgrace he never managed england...oh how we could do with him now. and this is comming from a life long liverpool fan
give the job to hoddle he has unfinished business
He would say that he is selling a book. Silly old man.