Man in Cave by Internet Historian
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I know it was easy to judge Miller at the beginning for just wanting an interview, but he proved to be one hell of a good guy in all of this - going above and beyond for a man he didn't know!
That photo after they declare him dead, where all the workers are sitting around with their heads in their hands, it really hits. They gave it their all. They were so close.
@Syntex366 this was the Wild West era nobody gave too shits about anyone i mean hell you had people takin pictures of their dead relatives
@Syntex366 It's easy to be smart after
They were so close. I mean it’s literally like a freakin movie
3 days. They weren't even close
@@afterdinnercreations936 I guess you missed the part where they almost had him out until the cave in 😒 then they re-opened the squeeze and it collapsed AGAIN despite the walls of the cave being reinforced by the workers there. Perhaps you just enjoy being a contrarian. In summary, they almost had him out, it caved in, the work crew reinforced the walls for Floyds would be rescuers, it collapsed again anyways, they tried to dig straight down, got close, then had setback after setback. Boulders, rain, then ice, all slowing them down. Yes, Floyd was almost out, and after all the effort they put in they must have felt absolutely crushed when they found him dead. Also, three days is a super short amount of time. That's literally the average turnover for a response from a business after you submit paperwork XD oh man, looking at your channel you may actually be a child or teenager, my b kiddo, it's not your fault. You'll get more perspective when you're older.
To answer your question about Geralt. Keep in mind that the first 23 hours no one knew where Floyd was. So in context Geralt only took 2 days to get to Floyd. It's not like modern times when you can just call someone and they can quickly make their way over to someone. It likely took a little for Geralt to get the message in the first place.
Two other points of context… Floyd’s story was the third-biggest non-political story between WW1 and WW2. IH tells you what #1 was: Charles Lindbergh’s trans-Atlantic flight, the first flight ever from NYC to Paris… and that’s still 2 years into the future from when Floyd got trapped… and he didn’t fly that in a 747.
Remember 20 years ago? Oh man… things were so different then. I was like, “Man, those effects in The Matrix movie were so sick~!” Well, 20 years before Floyd getting trapped, things were pretty different too… since that was around the time the Wright Brothers were getting famous for something. What was that again? Oh right, a flying machine with a motor…
So yes, it took a lot longer for people to move around… according to IH’s hour markers, it looks like it might have taken Homer about 7-8 hours to get there from Louisville which is actually quite close… and he received the news directly. The fact that Gerald was there that quickly from wherever he was and potentially without being directly contacted is pretty amazing.
yeah he was probably living a day away and only caught wind when the news started reporting on it.
things were slower on the 1920's stuff happened at a much slower pace, the internet kinda sped things up alot, things we were not ready for yet as a society.
also Geralt was pretty confident in Floyd's abilities as a caver and assumed they could free themselves when he first heard they were trapped, it was only after Floyd was trapped for a few days that he realized it was serious
@@syco579 Was about to say the same thing lmao
But yeah, when he first heard the news, he just shrugged it off and thought to himself 'ehh, he's gotten himself into worse, I'm sure he'll be fine'. But after two days of no progress, he realized 'oh shit, this is actually worse than I thought!'
Miller returned to the cave ~30 years later with some journalists and scientists and explored the cave Collin discovered
Was it worth it?
@@StefanVeenstra iirc afterwards Miller said something like "a paradise of natural beauty"
@@StefanVeenstra All exploration is.
@@steven95N Me, who doesn't like exploring
Man I wish I could see it
There was a lot more water in the coffee and whiskey of the time, so they did provide hydration. The coffee had been boiled and alcohol has been used for millenia to purify water. Just giving him the "pure" water available at the time would have likely given him diarrea.
Right? Coffee and tea are basically just hot water with a bit of plant extracts. Now I assume it’s not like how IH presents it, where there seems to be an open bucket of old coffee there with a ladle… but even cold coffee would have been a source of hydration. I also doubt highly that IH has included every single instance of Floyd being provided food and drink in this video.
Wow this is actually super interesting. Thanks for the tidbit Andreas!
"at the time would have likely given him diarrea." and thats one of the worse torture methods known to man. Ehem... dying inside your own feces ehem... inside a wooden box ehem..
No that's a stupid myth that I can't believe people believe. People have always drank water.
Regarding that question about where Johnnie Gerald had been before he showed up, I checked out a different documentary about this whole thing on a channel called Scary Interesting, which sheds a bit of light on that.
The thing is, Floyd was *really* good at cave exploring. He was so good at it, he legitimately didn't understand why so few people could get to him, because he didn't see any of that whole route as that big of a deal. When Johnnie first heard about Floyd's situation, he basically thought "Well, it's Floyd. He can handle it." It was only after a couple days passed and Floyd was still stuck that he realized "Oh shit, this is actually serious." and made his way over.
Another thing I felt was interesting that Internet Historian didn't get into was that Johnnie was a bigger guy than Homer, Miller, and Burden, and at first couldn't get through that last tunnel. He had to spend three hours widening it just to reach Floyd in the first place.
i just wanna know had he even got to it what tourist is going to go into a 9" tunnle to see it
@@furydeath Tunnels can be widened for tourists, he just wanted to open the entrance to that bit of cave a bit more, before widening the main entrance.
There's no point in wasting time working on the main entrance, when the main attraction is not worth it.
@@GoldSrc_ and how long would it take to widen two 9" tunnles BY HAND
@@furydeath considering that the cave was starting to fall apart... it might not have been as hard as "widening a cave gap" at first sounds, considering how most of the caves you'd think of are made of far sturdier types of stone.
I see a lot of reactors wonder why they gave Floyd coffee or other drinks instead of water, and I have a reason why: back then water purifying was not easy for ordinary people and anyone who drank it kept getting risk infections like cholera, so they had to hydrate with other fluids. Coffee, milk, alcohol, tea, and soda was preferred. Also, orange juice wasn't around until the end of WW2.
In the case of coffee, its more that you were boiling the water anyway to make it safe to drink - and if the water is already hot, why NOT add some coffee?
On top of that, the dude is freezing to death, give the man a hot beverage. May as well be coffee.
Thanks
Third world countries generally default to this position as well.
Remember he died from exposure and exposure can kill much faster than dehydration so hot coffee was a good call other than the horrific prospect of coffee being a sort of natural laxative I believe when Kit watched it he even brought up the idea that he was likely stewing in his own excrement.
I almost thought of that, then decided I definitely didn't want to follow that thought to its conclusion
Yeah, even if they managed to get to him while he was alive, I think he would have died from infections either way.
iirc coffee back then was a lot more watered down than what we have now, so it wouldn’t be as strong as a coffee from today giving u the shits, it might not have been concentrated enough to have a big effect
@@pillowvibes he was trapped for 2 weeks, laxative effects or not, there's no way he didn't soil himself during that time, or if he somehow didn't, he'd be suffering the effects of holding in instead of the effects of being soaked in his own waste...
There were a lot of things killing him all at once down there, the fact he lasted as long as he did is a testament to how durable the human body can be.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC oh, I never denied he was sitting in shit lmao I was just pointing out that the coffee likely wasn’t making him do it
4:14
That's not a photo of him trapped, it's just a photo of him lol
If you lived in 1925, your options for drinks are either alcohol or dirty boiled water; otherwise, you can either drink dirty boiled tea, or dirty boiled coffee
She said why did it take 80 hours for the friend to arrive like this wasn't the 1920s when the internet didn't exist. People were learning about this via newspaper remember?
For news? Yes. But for direct messages to individuals? It still takes time compared to our current technology, but still take time.
I think it was because of something else? I read a comment here about him having confidence that Floyd can get himself out of there at first?
I quote from an article on Mentalfloss:
"When Johnnie Gerald first heard that Floyd Collins was stuck in a cave, he shrugged, boarded a yellow school bus, and spent his evening chaperoning the local high school boys’ basketball team. The news did not trouble him. Gerald had explored caves with Collins. He knew that if anybody could wiggle out of a jam, it was his friend.
But after two days, Gerald felt a creeping dread and visited Sand Cave."
I really wish I could have watched this video without knowing how it ends, the story of Floyd Collins is a story I’ve known for a while. I did a report on a family member in middle school and I chose my great grandfather who I’m named after, he assisted in the later rescue efforts, mainly the mining down to him. Since then I’ve always been fascinated by the story, William Miller is an inspiration of mine. IH does a wonderful job at translating this story
Every main channel Internet Historian video is a freaking ride and a half!
have you seen redoing the ending of game of thrones
I honestly didn't expect to watch the CAVE videos multiple times out of my, ahem, "slight" fear for the tight crawling spaces. The ONLY reason I'm watching the reaction videos is because of you guys.
Can't stop shaking the entire video despite the fact that this is the FOURTH time re-watching it and knowing how it ends, but the commentary is worth facing the "slight" fear.
Haha this is like my 8th, I can't stop recommending it to people either.
My left ear is already loving this.😊
Thank goodness I'm not the only one. A basic fix I can reccomend is switching the audio for the video to Mono instead of Sterio for now.
Lol i watched it using only the left one without knowing about it xD
@@Parelf You just bought Chicago React another view! Thanks!
@@Parelf How do you do that? Is that a youtube thing or something we gotta do through windows settings?
Watching this 3d time. Still shivering. Imo - the worst way to go. And the whole thing really shows both the best and the worst in people - the dentist guy's just a maniac and the crowd of righteous non-believers is just modern day twitter, but there were guys like that Miller, or those others... At least I've rarely heard of a more well-deserved Pulitzer's.
Same. Fourth time for me, and I'm still shaking at the start of the video because of the tone.
First time I've seen it, I kinda hate the ads, but after multiple watching, I REALLY glad it's there...
I know I'd rather die by gun shot than to go out like this. Had I been in Floyd's situation, I'd be begging to eat lead in less than an hour.
The saddest part is if it weren't for people's bad behavior he probably would have lived and it wouldn't have been as close to that he would've probably got out much sooner
I don't know if anyone said this, but the water thing. It's 1920's, they didn't have that many ways to purify water. So they would boil it so people wouldn't get sick. That's why they were drinking so much alcohol, because it was safer. The las thing you want a dude stuck in a cave 60ft deep in the ground is to eject body things
My biggest problem with this whole thing is that if you're gonna open this thing to tourists, you'll have to expand the tunnels. You can not expect random people to go through the "even experienced cavers leave at this point".
So, if you're gonna have to do that anyway, why not expand the path leading to the cavern first so each of the 5000 times you have to get down there it's less of a hassle?
He likely was affraid of colapsing the whole thing or felt unprepared/without the proper equipment to do so but... He would have to do it anyway later anyway!!!
(Edit: Just got to the part in which you say just that. Great minds think alike ;) hahaha )
That's why he was in that cave for months he was making another entrance it's started within the first 5 minutes
@@thedarkderp2520 He was not making a new entrance, he was just expanding the entrance at the end of the tunnel, that when completed, would still require people to go through the squeeze point. So yeah, it probably would've been better to widen the path near the entrance and then move in
@@justinmcgough3958 What Floyd was doing was that he was starting from the end working his way to the entrance
@@reluctantcrusader8455 I know. I was saying that it probably would've been better to work from the entrance forward. Probably would've saved his life then if he got stuck after widening the squeeze point since more people would've been willing to come down and help him. Or in expanding the squeeze point the instability of the cave probably would've made itself known and he would've abandoned the cave
@@justinmcgough3958 "Do you have any idea what a curse it is to have perfect 20/20 hindsight? As soon as something bad happens, I immediately know how it could have been avoided. I can't take it anymore!" -Captain Hindsight
We need more internet historian. more. feed us
We will gladly feed you lol. We’re like the appetizer. Internet Historian himself is the main entrée
see the irony in a man trying to make a cave a profitable business, and achieving his goal in his own death.
PS to headphone users you can probably try turning on mono audio in your settings
Cheers, for some reason that didn't occur to me
As someone who survived 17 years without consuming plain water, Floyd was fine without water, plus back in the day coffee and alcohol were cheaper and safer than water, at that point new Jersey (the first us city to do this) had started treating water like 15 yeas ago, people in the boonies are not gonna have access to that
If he had been given water he would have gotten dysentery or something
Aside from all the scary situations and the sheer anxiety this gave me, it also made me appreciate certain thing we took for granted.
Jokes on you other nerds, I'm listening to the audio through a speaker, both *my* ears are loving this. I'll be running for office next election season, my main policy is drain the ocean, but my secondary goal is filling every cave in America with beanie babies, thereby sealing them all. Vote Dom, 2024.
Not a chance Dom, I need those oceans filled with water to dump all the used car batteries and taxpayer money I don’t have the stomach space to eat. Vote Malloy, 2024
@@formerctgovernordannelmall1452 That's a great segway to my third goal, all of humanities trash shall be launched at the sun via rockets. The sun will burn it up and humanities trash will no longer be earth's problem! Vote Dom, 2024! :D
@@DomR1997 but WHAT ABOUT THE UNEATEN MONEY, DOM?! What if I need it later?!
@Former CT Governor Dannel Malloy
How about hiding the money somewhere safe? Like a “special” jar around the house. Depending on the jar it might give some extra “flavor” to it. And if you have to put it in the ocean, then just chuck it into a community pond, no one gonna risk unknown diseases to maybe find treasure.
This general advisor cat at your service. Vote cat for 2024 for better advice.
these aren't the candidates we needed, but the ones we deserve
about lightbulb thing. it's a possibility that they know that his pulse is stop so they just shut it down in hope that the light bulb just broke and not that he already death. or the lightbulb is the only thing said to colin that people still out there try to help him when the light go out he lose hope and just let go.
Considering the autopsy concluded he died a day after the wire stopped transmitting the signal that indicated he was still breathing, would indicate it was the bulb burning out that caused the signal to stop.
I listen to videos at work in only my right ear, so if one of the people I supervise asks a question, I can hear it from my office. Guess I'm not gonna be watching this video.
Turn on mono audio in your device settings
Have you tried using your left ear instead and rearranging your office so you can still hear them? It'd only be for the one video.
This is an absurdist joke, to be clear, I'm not that dumb.
Let's get some Windegoon content up in here, the guy's videos are great.
Out of empathy I am salty that none of those people were paid for participating in the digging rescue.
My left ear enjoyed this video
I appreciate you pausing and reading the text. also keep in mind that this is before tv and internet. the radio was only just becoming common in homes. this was a big deal
Never before has a cave been so unwilling to let someone go. Sure there was that guy that was trapped in the nutty putty cave and died there but people already knew that getting him out would be nigh impossible. With floyd, it seemed that getting him out would be possible but every time they got close, the cave would send them right back to square one
Eh... tge nutty puddy cave story also got close to a rescue, but then a part of the cave the rope was tied around/looped through broke, hit the rescuer in the head an knocked them out for several minutes, and sent the guy falling deeper onto the hole, resulting in his death(which had been counting down from the moment he got stuck due to being upside down, which has all kinds of negative effects on the body long term)
I'm pretty sure they got his body out after that, didn't they?
@@RipOffProductionsLLC nah they left him in there and sealed off the cave permanently
@@RipOffProductionsLLC nope, poured it full of concrete and closed the cave to visitors.
I appreciate the fact that she pronounced 'pecan' correctly.
The whole tourism to see his body or the crowds gathering for the rescue. Got to remember there was a time people used to picnic while overlooking at active battlefields. And there was those traveling shows where you'd pay money to see the corpse of some criminal in a tent. I remember 1 was a guy who was killed trying to rob a train and tourists would put coins in his mouth. Then the body eventually got misplaced and sold until it was found in a funhouse where the owners didn't realize they purchased a real body until it fell over and they doing bones and coins.
The photo is from before he got stuck, I think. Just him and the photographer exploring.
To be a bit more fair towards Floyd trying to trap that other man in the cave with him, fear makes you do crazy things! Floyd was way closer to death than that man was, that guy could've easily survived the four days it took to dig down to him from above - Floyd couldn't...and didn't. He couldn't feed himself, hydrate or keep warm without help - especially once the lightbulb went out. On the other hand, Floyd didn't know if they were going to be able to get out at all, but I doubt he thought that far ahead, he just wanted to not be alone. The sad part is, if that man stayed; he might've been able to keep Floyd alive for the 4+ days, strategically giving him the coffee, keeping his morale up and using body heat to keep him warm. He still might've perished regardless, but I believe it would've helped him hang on a little longer at the very least - as the hopelessness would've contributed to Floyd giving up when he did.
I completely understand both Floyd's plea AND the man's decision to evacuate the cave, I judge neither harshly at all.
the digging took almost 11 days tho.. 4 days was only the amount of time the light bulb has been out for when they reached him
@@KodakanLP Okay, yes that's true - I forgot to contextualize the whole ordeal. But still, it's possible to survive that long without food and little water (the coffee was still next to Floyd when he left). Not easily, but it can be done. The body can survive without food for a month if you've got water and are healthy. Again, I don't blame the man for leaving at all - it's just a thought.
@25:40 this is what the news reporters USED to be like, they used to actually report news and have journalistic integrity.
Suuuuure....might need to rethink that thesis lol
including the reporters who said Floyd sent a telegram to his dead mother saying he's fine.
Journalists have always been sensationalist. It's just that back then, they had no way of having a constant, 24/7 news cycle like we can now because of TV and the interesting and other technology, so they had to prioritize their stories more.
Some individuals who became Journalists have moral integrity, but that’s not the Norm.
my left year loves this
that poor man
That music that plays when he shows the inside of the cave at 5:05 reminds me of Skyrim for some reason. I swear that music plays when cave diving in game.
I hadn't noticed that despite spending several hundred hours in that game lol. You're right though, that's from the Skyrim soundtrack, the track is called "silent footsteps".
Left ear moments.
I thought my headset was broken lol
such a great story told my the IH, sad the guy didnt survive, whole time i thought the story was a story because he did survive...
My left ear loves this ASMR introduction...
Easily one of IH's best
My left ear is getting way too much love
I just wanna say that your audio only comes through my left ear. Great vid btw c;
Are you kidding me? Anderson cooper wouldn’t even enter the cave
And there's not a hole he WONT go in! *BA DUN TSS*
Coffee is technically a tea, and tea is usually bad for you if you’re dehydrated because it makes you excrete more liquids. I think the source material used for the video doesn’t mention water because it’s obvious he can’t survive 15 days without it, coffee, whiskey and milk are 100% not enough.
So glad I have voicemeter to force mono audio
When ya gonna react to some ColdOnes shenanigans or more Count Dankula memes.
No matter how many times I watch other people react to this video, I still think Floyd's gonna make it out 😭
Drinking game. Drink every time someone in this video makes a bad decision or does something to make a shit situation worse out of stupidity.
43:32 it was between WWI and WWII. They needed something to entertain them.
Mono audio please.
Man that integrity though turning down that much money he would be set im surprised and proud he had that kinda nerve most 9f course would take it good on him. 1:16:29
Water? Back in those days drinking water is a death wish. How is he a terrible friend? It's the early 1900's people don't just know stuff.
water could have killed him. this was before safe drinking water was common.
Someone teach her to use keyboard strokes to navigate TH-cam lol
Also she moved to my left ear at some point which was a little uncomfortable
22:27 🤨
OMG, Whenever she speaks, she goes to left ear... HOW TF did you not check this! This is really bad!
Yall should watch Jacob Geller.
ÞANK YOU! FINALLY, someone else said it!
Audio is fucked
Awww her forehead is sho cute. Even got a lil widows peak.
Are you related to Kit?
Nope. Though you are not the first to ask
NOPE, big old nope
Can anybody else not hear the voices
The funniest tragedy of all time
Why is her voice only on my left ear? very irritating sadly
"If I say something dumb you have to drink!"
Lmfao what a stupid concept
Just saw this channel in my feed, but it must be embarrassing to have your claim to fame be living in a city where 3 million other people also live.
"church were praying for froyd"...........yes sure thank i guess
"Ugggh, christianity bad! I am the smart atheist, i might know zero shit about the Bible or Jesus Christ but iom smard!!!"
@@cooler_carpington "uuugh,atheism bad,how dare they critize our cult with Unlimited Story of corruption,persecution, abuse toward the unfortunate and the weak and constant censorship and trying to stop innovation!!!! Don't you know that Jesus Christ said to love the others!!!!" Yes i know but strangely a lot of people Say they are Christian but when they have to explain what make you Christian have their own preferiti exposition of their own Fanfiction,make funny even more all that people Who Say "you wouldn't Say in real Life bla bla" not only i would Say It,but what would even prove if i didn't ? That your Is a fucking cult where if could would punish not believer by law with physical force and ostraitation?wow you really are the tolerant One...sigh what a joke