Would you find an app like this helpful? - Taz. 🔥 Building a fast car? Get $400 OFF the all-inclusive VIP online course package deal: hpcdmy.co/kwz 🚙 Building a fast car? Get $400 OFF the all-inclusive VIP online course package deal: hpcdmy.co/jwp TIME STAMPS: 0:00 - How To Make A Base Map 0:20 - Haltech Connect App 0:33 - Haltech Rebel LS ECU 1:05 - ECU Wiring Made Easy 1:45 - How To Get Started 2:25 - Why Use A Phone App? 3:00 - Tuning Workflow 3:30 - 1.) Vehicle Label 3:40 - 2a.) Engine Type 3:57 - 2b.) Compression Ratio 4:26 - 3.) Cam Shaft Spec 3:34 - 4a.) Aspiration (Turbo, N/A etc) 4:42 - 4b.) Air System/Throttle Body 5:22 - 5.) MAP Sensor 5:47 - 6a.) Fuel System 5:59 - 6b.) Fuel Injectors 6:14 - 7.) Ignition Coils 6:44 - 5 Step Checklist & Test 7:27 - DBW Calibration 7:37 - Fuel Pressure Test 7:50 - Thermofan Test 8:10 - Cranking Test/Trigger Sync 9:08 - Why This Is Critical 9:27 - Other Systems Checks 9:31 - Knock Sensor/s 9:35 - MAP Sensor 9:39 - Injector Output Current Draw 9:50 - Base Map Complete! 10:10 - Driveable, But With Exceptions 11:30 - Cheers Mitch &@haltech 11:52 - BUILD.TUNE.DRIVE
We’ve tuned a few of these now and while the closed loop and long term trim/learning is great it can also cause problems if you’re not keeping a close eye on everything. Best results I’ve seen come from custom base map with human tuning/adjustments long term trims OFF. Then the nice it’s running on target with no ecu feedback tern the trim back on BUT limit their ability to make large changes so they never “run away” trying to correct around a faulty sensor reading (something as simple as a sticky injector, vacuum leak or exhaust leak pre o2 can lead to big issues when only relying on the self tuning”.
@@BrewedMotorsports Yeah I think Andre was mostly being nice by referring to the more "extreme" combos that would still need manual tuning adjustments when he knows that in reality most combos would benefit from it.
Nice to see you guys here. Glad I bought my sr20 aem infinity 506 setup from you guys. Probably will be getting a tune from you guys as well when it’s time.
@@DNightNinja we will be there whenever your ready and keep up with hpa they will have not make owning the sr20 that much better! (Knowledge is power after all)
Brother, you have an incredible talent for making the audience see whether the person you're interviewing is truly knowledgeable or not. Especially in that video where you interviewed the engineer from the company that combined two Hayabusa engines to create the Hayabusa V8. Your questions really showed their expertise and gave us such valuable insight. Keep up the great work!
I just found out that tuning from Android wasn't really that common out there, damn. here in Indonesia, there's a motorcycle oriented performance brand Bintang Racing Team. Their ECU can be tuned with ECU remote, Windows, and Android via Bluetooth. i dont know exactly when they started it, but all i can find is from 2017. im quite proud. edit: all methods can be used on the fly! commonly known as live tuning. honestly really convenient.
I'm surprised that nobody has come up with an ECU that piggybacks then learns what the stock computer wants to do and adapts to end user modifications.
you're saying it like this particular piggyback is all-in-one piggyback, which in my knowledge is impossible since what piggyback does is manipulate some part of the info given by the sensors and received by the ECU. manipulating some part of the information given to the ECU may work just fine, but manipulating the whole information will make the ECU "wait a minute.. somethings not quite right around here" and give you check engine light. it is better, way much better, to just install aftermarket ECU and import your stock tune to it as a baseline like I do.
@@MRworldEtIkA let's say they computer controls much of the car, such as ac, transmission, traction control etc. piggyback may not be the right word. Perhaps clone?
@dirtbike662 hmm.. your suggestion gave me an idea.. I might want to look into it deeper, I am a mechanical engineer, and one of my experiences is working with Komatsu. If it was possible, I might start a new project with my mechanical and electrical engineer students. if it's good enough, it'll be funded by my campus, and I'll make sure your username is credited.
They got piggy backs for sure , but to be able to plug in with stock , let it learn then , unplug stock ecu , and mod standalone from there .. now that would be dope 👌🏽
It have been a decade that bluetooth comm realtime ecu tuning were made available for aftermarket motorcycle race ecu.. Fsr tech/ tuneboss ecu from malaysia impliment this long time ago 🇲🇾 Cheers
Wait, so does this mean you can use any combination of crank and cam reluctors and the ECU will figure it out and make it work? Bc that would be SUPER convenient.
If thats the part that makes tuning convinient for you, i dont know if you should be tuning. Haltech's pretty much a drop down for digital or analog signal already.
@@runesmDK It's the ability to run something like a 58x crank with a 1x cam that's convenient - the Holley Terminator X can't do that. If you're not that familiar with the LS platform, I don't know that you should be commenting on it 🙃
It is the same LTFT and STFT functions. This is essentially a portal to NSP. While it's not the fuel trim functions, Andy has a quick demo here showing the relationship of the app to NSP. Hope that helps - Taz. th-cam.com/video/xsFEU3qLSZo/w-d-xo.html
No. Tuning is currently based on quenching. Given that future engines will use externally-located insulated combustion chambers whose inner walls both ignite and violently accelerate the burn, plus internally water cooled cylinders that segregate combustion, the entire concept of "tuning" reduces to stoichiometry and catalytic staged combustion. If anyone wants to see how this works just let me know.
So much neat tech these days. I just want someone to put together a kit so we can build our own engine dynos with a retarder and all the software. Some of us like to experiment with fabricated intake and exhaust setup and dont want to have to put engines in cars to get the results.
Funny how when asked about software engineering roles in the tuning industry, the Haltech guys said that they didn't employ any... I went to the stall at WTAC and was asking about a job and got nothing but blank states. A mobile app is definitely software!
The app is out so you missed the boat on getting that off the ground to be fair. It can be hard to find the right person within a large company to talk to about such things too. Just because someone works for Haltech doesn't mean they know what staff are needed where and when, let alone being able to hire you. Just keep asking around, making phone calls and sending emails to companies you'd love to work for and with a bit of luck on the timing you might find the right person who knows of something 😎 - Taz.
This is focused on the LS at the moment when it comes to what has been shown here. I'm sure they will add other options in time for popular swap options. That doesn't stop you from using a Haltech on your 940 project already. What is shown is really just a different layout to make what you can already do a little easier to get started with for those new to it all. If your build is mild there is also already a self learning function in Haltechs software you can use too and they're not the only ECU to offer that. Self learning functions are not really suitable for anything crazy and it's not as fast as a competent tuner, but it can be super helpful to get up and running and help you find your way - Taz.
@hpa101 the engine is the stock one for the car there are a few modifications (Gen 1 ls coils ipd turbo cam) and I got it 3rd hand after the modifications I want to keep them but I can't get a baseline for the car to even run it is running a micro squirt ecu but that is working just doesn't offer self learning im not looking to burn the world down in power but need the car to run right now its flooding its self out so bad it can bearly moving under its own power injectors are good but any time i change the tune at all it goes way lean so im needing a beseline tune more that anything or an ecu that can get it running do you have any suggestions
Don't do a full power base line dyno run on a base map. You can only safely do those when you are using an existing tune before you do your modifications. So before you fitted the cam etc, you would have wanted to put the car on the dyno for the base line run but honestly at this it doesn't matter, it will make what it will make and you'll feel the difference even if you don't know the specific increase and where comparatively. If you're on a tight budget, grab an LS base map for the Haltech and do some searching regarding your cam. You can see in their NSP software what that map looks like and 'connect the dots' to transfer it over (manually) to your MicroSquirt. Alternatively if you can find on for a MegaSquirt it will look more familiar. My suggestion though would be to just do some of our courses. They cover all of this 😎 The MegaSquirt example will apply directly to your MicroSquirt project, it even uses the same software - www.hpacademy.com/blog/how-to-tune-using-megasquirt-online-training-course-tunerstudio/ Have a look around the website, we also have some free content and remember there is a 60-day refund policy if you decide HPA isn't for you. Not trying to put the hard sell on you, it's just you are exactly the type of person we have made these courses for so naturally worth a mention - Taz. www.hpacademy.com/search/results/?q=base%20map
Ok, now have the phone app link up to an AI API, load all the maps and logs into AI, AI analyzes and creates new maps. Then phone app makes regular calls out to AI to keep fine tuning the tune, using logs. An ongoing road tune that adapts to conditions.
Andre would probably say the same looking at it from one angle, but also a lot of tuners expect a car to be ready to tune when it shows up to the dyno. Tools like this can only help such tuners as well as help owners get a solid start noting even Haltech themselves say the deeper you get, the sooner you will really want to pull out a laptop. This is just another tool and like any tool there are right and wrong ways to use it depending on your expectations and needs. What we didn't touch on are some ways it might be handy for some quick troubleshooting or interim dash display (I believe you can connect this to an Android etc head unit) so there are a few layers to it for some people/applications beyond initial start up too - Taz.
Hahahahah andre said everyone knows how to download and app lolol everyone has a laptop bit of a gimmick that wont be used but happy they are developing
There is some demand for apps like this, people to ask us about them too. It won't suit everyone and for many it will just be the gateway to NSP on their laptop, but anything to make things smoother for those starting out isn't a bad thing, if used as intended. The checklist after the initial setup is a really solid touch - Taz.
LOLs... You clearly don't know many people over 40 who ABSOLUTELY SUCK at IT technology.... But somehow, they can download and app and swipe a screen. This is for those guys that can wrench on an engine and mechanical things and make them work, but couldn't find a power button on a PC.
Well we technically have stuff like this already. It is just too processing intensive to have current tuning programs reading all of this data AND modifying each table itself all at the same time. That and there's no one formula for the different modifications and driving styles of each car/driver.
Still need an “intellect/reasoning” to set parameters and bounds to which the learning process abides.. a generation of PIDs which are well integrated into OEM Ecu control throughout last decade👌
Would you find an app like this helpful? - Taz.
🔥 Building a fast car? Get $400 OFF the all-inclusive VIP online course package deal: hpcdmy.co/kwz
🚙 Building a fast car? Get $400 OFF the all-inclusive VIP online course package deal: hpcdmy.co/jwp
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - How To Make A Base Map
0:20 - Haltech Connect App
0:33 - Haltech Rebel LS ECU
1:05 - ECU Wiring Made Easy
1:45 - How To Get Started
2:25 - Why Use A Phone App?
3:00 - Tuning Workflow
3:30 - 1.) Vehicle Label
3:40 - 2a.) Engine Type
3:57 - 2b.) Compression Ratio
4:26 - 3.) Cam Shaft Spec
3:34 - 4a.) Aspiration (Turbo, N/A etc)
4:42 - 4b.) Air System/Throttle Body
5:22 - 5.) MAP Sensor
5:47 - 6a.) Fuel System
5:59 - 6b.) Fuel Injectors
6:14 - 7.) Ignition Coils
6:44 - 5 Step Checklist & Test
7:27 - DBW Calibration
7:37 - Fuel Pressure Test
7:50 - Thermofan Test
8:10 - Cranking Test/Trigger Sync
9:08 - Why This Is Critical
9:27 - Other Systems Checks
9:31 - Knock Sensor/s
9:35 - MAP Sensor
9:39 - Injector Output Current Draw
9:50 - Base Map Complete!
10:10 - Driveable, But With Exceptions
11:30 - Cheers Mitch &@haltech
11:52 - BUILD.TUNE.DRIVE
We’ve tuned a few of these now and while the closed loop and long term trim/learning is great it can also cause problems if you’re not keeping a close eye on everything.
Best results I’ve seen come from custom base map with human tuning/adjustments long term trims OFF. Then the nice it’s running on target with no ecu feedback tern the trim back on BUT limit their ability to make large changes so they never “run away” trying to correct around a faulty sensor reading (something as simple as a sticky injector, vacuum leak or exhaust leak pre o2 can lead to big issues when only relying on the self tuning”.
@@BrewedMotorsports Yeah I think Andre was mostly being nice by referring to the more "extreme" combos that would still need manual tuning adjustments when he knows that in reality most combos would benefit from it.
@@nowayjose596 indeed ;)
Nice to see you guys here. Glad I bought my sr20 aem infinity 506 setup from you guys. Probably will be getting a tune from you guys as well when it’s time.
@@DNightNinja we will be there whenever your ready and keep up with hpa they will have not make owning the sr20 that much better! (Knowledge is power after all)
Brother, you have an incredible talent for making the audience see whether the person you're interviewing is truly knowledgeable or not. Especially in that video where you interviewed the engineer from the company that combined two Hayabusa engines to create the Hayabusa V8. Your questions really showed their expertise and gave us such valuable insight. Keep up the great work!
I just found out that tuning from Android wasn't really that common out there, damn. here in Indonesia, there's a motorcycle oriented performance brand Bintang Racing Team. Their ECU can be tuned with ECU remote, Windows, and Android via Bluetooth. i dont know exactly when they started it, but all i can find is from 2017. im quite proud.
edit: all methods can be used on the fly! commonly known as live tuning. honestly really convenient.
I’ll be installing my rebel LS in my rat rod in the coming days. I can’t freakin wait to get this 100year old car running!
I'm surprised that nobody has come up with an ECU that piggybacks then learns what the stock computer wants to do and adapts to end user modifications.
you're saying it like this particular piggyback is all-in-one piggyback, which in my knowledge is impossible since what piggyback does is manipulate some part of the info given by the sensors and received by the ECU.
manipulating some part of the information given to the ECU may work just fine, but manipulating the whole information will make the ECU "wait a minute.. somethings not quite right around here" and give you check engine light. it is better, way much better, to just install aftermarket ECU and import your stock tune to it as a baseline like I do.
@@MRworldEtIkA let's say they computer controls much of the car, such as ac, transmission, traction control etc. piggyback may not be the right word. Perhaps clone?
@dirtbike662 hmm.. your suggestion gave me an idea.. I might want to look into it deeper, I am a mechanical engineer, and one of my experiences is working with Komatsu. If it was possible, I might start a new project with my mechanical and electrical engineer students. if it's good enough, it'll be funded by my campus, and I'll make sure your username is credited.
A complete piggyback it is an actual aftermarket ecu
They got piggy backs for sure , but to be able to plug in with stock , let it learn then , unplug stock ecu , and mod standalone from there .. now that would be dope 👌🏽
Thanks for the video Mitch and Andre!
Fantastic! Looking forward to the ECU kit for the Gen III Hemi.
It have been a decade that bluetooth comm realtime ecu tuning were made available for aftermarket motorcycle race ecu..
Fsr tech/ tuneboss ecu from malaysia impliment this long time ago 🇲🇾
Cheers
Wait, so does this mean you can use any combination of crank and cam reluctors and the ECU will figure it out and make it work? Bc that would be SUPER convenient.
@@nowayjose596 yes, it self detects on first crank
If thats the part that makes tuning convinient for you, i dont know if you should be tuning. Haltech's pretty much a drop down for digital or analog signal already.
@@runesmDK It's the ability to run something like a 58x crank with a 1x cam that's convenient - the Holley Terminator X can't do that. If you're not that familiar with the LS platform, I don't know that you should be commenting on it 🙃
haltech > holley @@nowayjose596
Cool. My 100$ Speeduino ECU has been tuned from my phone for years now though. But good on haltech for cathing up to a super-budget ecu.
Not quite the same, not on iOS and your pricing is off, but people are doing some awesome stuff with some basic Speedunio setups for sure! - Taz.
Is this base map that’s produced similar to what happens when we set all these options up inside of NSP?
It is the same LTFT and STFT functions. This is essentially a portal to NSP.
While it's not the fuel trim functions, Andy has a quick demo here showing the relationship of the app to NSP. Hope that helps - Taz.
th-cam.com/video/xsFEU3qLSZo/w-d-xo.html
This is how to do ECU’s and wiring to suit.
No. Tuning is currently based on quenching. Given that future engines will use externally-located insulated combustion chambers whose inner walls both ignite and violently accelerate the burn, plus internally water cooled cylinders that segregate combustion, the entire concept of "tuning" reduces to stoichiometry and catalytic staged combustion.
If anyone wants to see how this works just let me know.
wow. thats awesome
So much neat tech these days. I just want someone to put together a kit so we can build our own engine dynos with a retarder and all the software. Some of us like to experiment with fabricated intake and exhaust setup and dont want to have to put engines in cars to get the results.
Good to see Holly having some competition
Funny how when asked about software engineering roles in the tuning industry, the Haltech guys said that they didn't employ any...
I went to the stall at WTAC and was asking about a job and got nothing but blank states. A mobile app is definitely software!
The app is out so you missed the boat on getting that off the ground to be fair.
It can be hard to find the right person within a large company to talk to about such things too. Just because someone works for Haltech doesn't mean they know what staff are needed where and when, let alone being able to hire you.
Just keep asking around, making phone calls and sending emails to companies you'd love to work for and with a bit of luck on the timing you might find the right person who knows of something 😎 - Taz.
@@hpa101 Thanks for the response Taz 🙂
I will try Haltech for my test bench I'm still waiting for the motec book
I'm wondering one thing is it ls only or could I put it on my b230ft powered vovlo 940
This is focused on the LS at the moment when it comes to what has been shown here. I'm sure they will add other options in time for popular swap options.
That doesn't stop you from using a Haltech on your 940 project already.
What is shown is really just a different layout to make what you can already do a little easier to get started with for those new to it all. If your build is mild there is also already a self learning function in Haltechs software you can use too and they're not the only ECU to offer that. Self learning functions are not really suitable for anything crazy and it's not as fast as a competent tuner, but it can be super helpful to get up and running and help you find your way - Taz.
@hpa101 the engine is the stock one for the car there are a few modifications (Gen 1 ls coils ipd turbo cam) and I got it 3rd hand after the modifications I want to keep them but I can't get a baseline for the car to even run it is running a micro squirt ecu but that is working just doesn't offer self learning im not looking to burn the world down in power but need the car to run right now its flooding its self out so bad it can bearly moving under its own power injectors are good but any time i change the tune at all it goes way lean so im needing a beseline tune more that anything or an ecu that can get it running do you have any suggestions
Don't do a full power base line dyno run on a base map. You can only safely do those when you are using an existing tune before you do your modifications. So before you fitted the cam etc, you would have wanted to put the car on the dyno for the base line run but honestly at this it doesn't matter, it will make what it will make and you'll feel the difference even if you don't know the specific increase and where comparatively.
If you're on a tight budget, grab an LS base map for the Haltech and do some searching regarding your cam. You can see in their NSP software what that map looks like and 'connect the dots' to transfer it over (manually) to your MicroSquirt.
Alternatively if you can find on for a MegaSquirt it will look more familiar.
My suggestion though would be to just do some of our courses. They cover all of this 😎 The MegaSquirt example will apply directly to your MicroSquirt project, it even uses the same software - www.hpacademy.com/blog/how-to-tune-using-megasquirt-online-training-course-tunerstudio/
Have a look around the website, we also have some free content and remember there is a 60-day refund policy if you decide HPA isn't for you.
Not trying to put the hard sell on you, it's just you are exactly the type of person we have made these courses for so naturally worth a mention - Taz.
www.hpacademy.com/search/results/?q=base%20map
That's awesome 👌
Next step, Elite 550 on a big bore Honda Grom...
Yussss! Excellent life decision right there 😎 - Taz.
Guessing it isn’t possible as different systems are complex
Lol, years ago i asked nistune, why they dont have such a program for a tablet, or so. Now its the next hot thing😅.
It's a hot ticket now because these guys actually made it work. 😉
If it was a Microsoft product…the tutorial would be 4 hours in duration ending the ‘blue screen of death’ and a ‘no crank’ condition
Can anybody in the uk help me install haltech on a 2017 Mini JCW ?
Hit up your Haltech dealer/distributor and ask around the local motorsport circles =) - Taz.
Ok, now have the phone app link up to an AI API, load all the maps and logs into AI, AI analyzes and creates new maps.
Then phone app makes regular calls out to AI to keep fine tuning the tune, using logs.
An ongoing road tune that adapts to conditions.
This cracks me up. I've been cell phone tuning for 7 years now.
People who are unable to Install an .exe on a Laptop, should not touch a standalone ECU. IMO.
Andre would probably say the same looking at it from one angle, but also a lot of tuners expect a car to be ready to tune when it shows up to the dyno.
Tools like this can only help such tuners as well as help owners get a solid start noting even Haltech themselves say the deeper you get, the sooner you will really want to pull out a laptop.
This is just another tool and like any tool there are right and wrong ways to use it depending on your expectations and needs.
What we didn't touch on are some ways it might be handy for some quick troubleshooting or interim dash display (I believe you can connect this to an Android etc head unit) so there are a few layers to it for some people/applications beyond initial start up too - Taz.
Hahahahah andre said everyone knows how to download and app lolol everyone has a laptop bit of a gimmick that wont be used but happy they are developing
There is some demand for apps like this, people to ask us about them too. It won't suit everyone and for many it will just be the gateway to NSP on their laptop, but anything to make things smoother for those starting out isn't a bad thing, if used as intended. The checklist after the initial setup is a really solid touch - Taz.
LOLs... You clearly don't know many people over 40 who ABSOLUTELY SUCK at IT technology.... But somehow, they can download and app and swipe a screen.
This is for those guys that can wrench on an engine and mechanical things and make them work, but couldn't find a power button on a PC.
Hahahahah😂😂 😂😂😂
True the more variety you have will draw more people in
I have 6 grand I understand the software
So sick soon the tuner itself will be no need AI will be doing All tuning soon.
Well we technically have stuff like this already. It is just too processing intensive to have current tuning programs reading all of this data AND modifying each table itself all at the same time. That and there's no one formula for the different modifications and driving styles of each car/driver.
Still need an “intellect/reasoning” to set parameters and bounds to which the learning process abides.. a generation of PIDs which are well integrated into OEM Ecu control throughout last decade👌