The Invention of the Land of Israel - book launch with Shlomo Sand | Frontline Club Talks
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- This event is organised by Verso Books and Independent Jewish Voices, and is dedicated to Eric Hobsbawm.
What is a homeland and when does it become a national territory? Why have so many people been willing to die for such places throughout the twentieth century? What is the essence of the Promised Land?
Join Shlomo Sand and a panel with historian Donald Sassoon and human rights lawyer Geoffrey Bindman to discuss the mysterious sacred land that has become the site of the longest-running national struggle of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.
Following the acclaimed and controversial The Invention of the Jewish People, Sand's pioneering new work The Invention of the Land of Israel deconstructs the age-old legends surrounding the Holy Land and the prejudices that continue to suffocate it.
The Invention of the Land of Israel dissects the concept of "historical right" and tracks the creation of the modern concept of the "Land of Israel" by nineteenth-century Evangelical Protestants and Jewish Zionists. This invention, he argues, not only facilitated the colonization of the Middle East and the establishment of the State of Israel; it is also threatening the existence of the Jewish state today.
The Panel:
Professor Shlomo Sand studied history at the University of Tel Aviv and at the École des hautes études en sciences sociales, in Paris. He currently teaches contemporary history at the University of Tel Aviv. His books include The Invention of the Jewish People, On the Nation and the Jewish People.
Professor Donald Sassoon is Professor of Comparative European History at Queen Mary College, University of London. He received his PhD, supervised by Eric Hobsbawm, from Birkbeck College. His books include One Hundred Years of Socialism and The Culture of the Europeans: 1800 to the present.
Sir Geoffrey Bindman QC (Hon) founded Bindmans in 1974 and throughout his long and distinguished legal career, has specialised in civil liberty and human rights issues. He is a Visiting Professor of Law at University College London and at London South Bank University, an Honorary Fellow in Civil Legal Process at the University of Kent, and a Fellow of the Society of Advanced Legal Studies
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I am amazed by the British-Jew, a citizen of the UK, telling Shlomo to get out of Israel while he enjoys the benefits of residing in the UK society, listening to Shlomo 🧐🧐🧐🧐
that fucker is a pure hypocrite good job shlomo exposing twats like that one in the crowd
I wonder if the guy even speaks Hebrew :)
This man is just a living example of what Shlomo point on Jews is. So sad. I thought UK was a civilised country.
Just became a huge of fan of Shlomo and bought all the books in every language on Amazon
I read his book Arabic Translation.
The Invention of the Land of Israel - book launch with @Shlomo Sand NAZI PROPAGANDA!!! NAZI JEW HATE ADOLPH HITER This event is organised by Verso Books and Independent Jewish Voices, and is dedicated to ADOLPH HITLER.
the untold roots of the horrific conflict we see today.
you both the untold roots of the horrific conflict we see today. to br Nazi Propaganda Jew Hatred Adolph Hitler
You are pushing Adolph Hitler's Hatred against The Jews.
Do you think Germany mass genocide again The Jews was Good? What suddenly makes YOU PEOPLE think The Jews are Evil Monsters? learn more about what Abdullah has Jew Hate like WW2 Adolph Hitler. he Invention of the Land of Israel
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Thank you Professor Shlomo Sand! You are The Man!
Very smart and fair analysis about the history and current status of palestine. Greetings to you Prof. Shlomo Sand for your bravery.
He has since been utterly debunked ...LOL. Am Isreal Chai :)
@@LagolopIsrael peed it's pants whenever someone says Iran , and Israel cry when someone says Hitler, and Israel says Papa whenever someone says USA 😂
@@kumailabbas3844 LOL, you're an imbecile. You know damn well that the one thing Israelis do NOT do, is "pee their pants". You fucking muzrats are all the same; bloody perpetual losers and that drives you INSANE. There is a teeny tiny handful of Jews on this planet (~15 million) and all 1.6 BILLION muzrats are incapable of harming teeny tiny Israel. How embarrassing for you. Even the surrounding arab countries know that the only country that can protect them from iran is ISRAEL. Why do you think so many are making peace right now with Israel and now even Saudi Arabia.
@@Lagolop firstly Israel is not a country, it's a temporary Jewish settlement labelled as illegally occupied land by the UN, and it's a Zionist entity and those coward Jews who ran away from Hitler and were given refuge by the Palestinians ship by ship and like what Jews are famous for " backstabbing" they exactly did the same and start doing thing that was the reason why Hitler started building special luxury gas Chambers for them 😂
Secondly the only country saving Poor jews from Iran is your daddy US, isn't that true my cry baby..? A small group of teens Hamas makes you so scared with it's 1950's tiny rockets and some guns, it has made the entire Zionist entity pee it's pants and go to his daddy US to complain and to get more Aid..I'm not amazed the Jewish habbit of begging is still there.. soon you'll see we'll gather more Jews in Palestine and you'll forget Mr German boy of 1940, you'll remember what Iran will do to you. ♥️😇
@@kumailabbas3844 Do you honestly think, that simply sprouting bullshit, it will be taken as truth? Or do you actually believe the tripe y you are writing .... You are more stupid than I thought.
But in any event, you are making my Chanukah celebration even more delicious because I can clearly see how the tiny JEWISH state of Isreal bothers you.
As for iran, it is impotent to harm Isreal. Am Israel Chai.
You want German? I hope Yiddish will work for you. Du bist a broyne shtik drek. Es kak, shtarb, fun gei in dr'erd. :)
I appreciate fare academics who read the history of the area with justice finally said about the Palestinian land history.
Why is the geographical area we call Palestine called Palestine when we all know it's the name the Roman's gave it.
@@shanehenderson8756 because it’s not the name the Roman’s gave it, it has been in existence for about 2000 years before that
@@radler1955but, you can't back up that claim.
Romans did call the land Palestine.
Israel was a kingdom there and before, there were Canaanites Egyptians etc.
So there are Israelites, Arabs from Arabia, Persians and ottomans, Romans from Italy
And no one through history, never claimed there to be "Palestinians" in Palestine
No one
Barren land of half nomadic tribes
Coming from a muslim , thank you Shlomo for your honesty.
He is an atheist. Wouldn't he burn in hell according to your religion?
@@Deluluissolulumadman if the truth ( that there is a god ) was presented to him in a clear way with proofs, and he was conviced but decided to deny because of Arrogance/Ego , then he will be an infidel yes . i dont know what he beleives in , dont really care , he spoke history and words of truth , and that is always praised regardless of the speakers beleifs
@@Deluluissolulumadman if the truth ( that there is a god ) was presented to him in a clear way with proofs, and he was conviced but decided to deny because of Arrogance/Ego , then he will be an infidel yes . i dont know what he beleives in , dont really care , he spoke history and words of truth , and that is always praised regardless of the speakers beleifs
Being a Muslim you would say that.
@@Deluluissolulumadman there is not a literally burning hell fire in the bible where people burn for ever. This is a myth started by the universal church. Same as other false doctrines. Trinity, Sunday, etc etc!
The lady at minute 51 probably holds a view shared by many zionists, and while ignoring the Iraqi Jews which have a very long history in Babylonia (and a different collective memory from the European Jews), says with entitlement: "the world owes the Jews a small piece of land.." and doesn't for a second pause to think about the inhabitants of the land. And so the Palestinians are remorselessly sacrificed at the altar of expediency.
Nobody owns the Jews anything, and even if they did, they could have given them a land with no inhabitants.. I think half of the earth was empty around that time!
Professor Shlomo is a true child of Israel; a decent, honest and intelligent man who tells the truth.
How truthful is your take on the "truth?"
@@ajarnwordsmith628 Professir Shlomo has akways been a man who believes in telling things as they factually are
That's what you call respecting your intelligence, Sholom is great thinker
Shlomo Sand is a citizen of humanity....bravo....we should all stop with tribalism!!!!!!
58:01 to me this is the most important aspect of Shlomo’s life philosophy, that he has transcended the definition of a what it means to be a human being that is not constrained or conceptualized by religion, ethnicity, race, culture, country of origin.
He is stating, in fact, that he is simply a citizen of the world, of the same world we all inhabit of the same red blood, and the same air.
Anyone who cannot only understand, but also embrace this reality is the freest person in the world.
We need this perspective now more than ever.
At just about 20mins Sands quotes his colleague as saying, “Yes, but it’s not us.” Fascinating.
It’s not them.
If you know you know
I caught that too 🤔🤔🤔
Please explain it to me. I didn’t get it. I listened to it, but didn’t get it. So mizraji where exiled but not the khazarus?
@@4lugan yes
Mr. Sand is fighting against Tribalism. Cheers!
Those who think all jewish culture is monotonous and similar, let them look at the Mizrahi Jews and see how different their culture, traditions, and way of life are compared to the Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jew.
An absorbing discussion. The expression "A land without a people and a people without a land" first used by a Christian clergyman Rev. Alexander Keith in 1843. He wrote that the Jews are "a people without a country; even as their own land, as subsequently to be shown, is in a great measure a country without a people". Later reduced to the better remembered phrase. Rev Keith, as Shlomo stated, was British.
The United States should end military aid to Israel
1. Israel can pay for its own military. Israel has a strong economy, an excellent international credit rating, and runs frequent budget surplus. Israel ran an annual surplus of more than a billion dollars six out of the last ten years.
2. Military aid to Israel is a security risk. Israel is a major supplier of military technology to China. These sales have been instrumental in the modernization of the Chinese military. Israel developed the Lavi fighter from American technology with 1.5 billion in American subsidies. Israel sold the Lavi fighter to China. It is now called the J-10 and is the mainstay of the Chinese Air Force. Israel has also sold China missile guidance systems,, advanced radar systems and targeting systems.
3. Israel is a diplomatic liability.
4. Military aid to Israel is illegal under the Leahy Law because of Israel's human rights violations. Any aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington amendment which prohibits aid to nations with nuclear weapons that have not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and do not permit inspections of their nuclear sites
Same with Iran and Iraq…unfortunately has not stopped Biden from doing so currently…agree with you 1000%
sounds like Israel might be so important to United States foreign policy makers because perhaps it's being used as a sidedoor broker for the United States arms deals with the People's Republic of China. you didn't hear it from me. I don't know nothing. I'm with you btw
In the Bible, the lineage of the Hebrew people always came through the Father, but with the Jews, the lineage comes through the Mother. So, why do Jews say Abraham is the Father of the Jews and does not say that Sarah is the Mother of the Jews? Jewishness seems contrary to the Hebrew Biblical lineage and contrary to Scripture.
John the jews or Juda are only one of the 12 sons of Jacob who's name was changed to Israel. Abraham was not technically a jew but he was what we call a semite a Hebrew the son of Eber. The Isralites became a nation. But eventually split into two nations . The ten tribes of Israel to the north and the three tribes of the south. One of the them being Judah. The 10 tribes of the north we know were eventually taken into captivity and disappeared from history. A few did return to Judah, but the vast majority did not return.
And of course Abraham was to be the father of many nations. That's why Arab nations claim Abraham too.
All Jews are Hebrews/Israelites... but all israelites aren't Jews. If you live in the USA and you live in the state of California, then I will say California's are Americans but not all Americans are California's. Navajos are native Americans but not all native Americans are Navajos. You get the idea
@@purposelyperplexed4240 Edomites, Moabite, and Ammonites were Hebrews as well but none of the three were Israelites. Only one of the 12 tribes were Jews and they are not in the land of Israel at this time. The offspring of Judah are still in the land of their captivity and living among the Gentiles in the Gentile nations. Scripture says they will be returned to the land of Israel at the return of the Messiah by the Messiah. So, according to Scripture, anyone living in the land of Israel at this time is not of the tribe of Judah, they are Jewish converts.
@@johnhbaldwin9178 okay I understand your point of view because I've heard it before. I completely disagree because DNA test shows that the people living there are different and they are of Semitic DNA with that marker within them. You know the Bible gives a lot of prophecies before Messiah returns. You surely don't expect all those prophecies to take place in one day do you? Do you expect Messiah to return immediately when the "real Jews in your eyes" return to that land? The scripture ever say that when the people return to the land that Messiah will come immediately? It's called The Gap theory and sure you don't believe that Messiah comes as soon as one prophecy or two or three are completed do you? They come on the watch of the creator and not our watch. People living in that land are not converts and even if they are converts or a few are converts, does it matter because the Christian Old testament makes it very clear that once a person has converted to Judaism they are a Jew. Ruth converted and David came right through her line generations later and the Messiah came through the line of David. She was a Jew when she converted and that's the way it's always been so I don't know why you're saying that these people are not true Jews even if you're khazarian conspiracy were true. In Judaism if you convert then you are a Jew in site of the Creator. Nice try but you would have to say that Ruth and anyone else that was told in the wilderness that they would be drafted in if they converted, wouldn't be the same in the eyes of the Creator. You do realize that Josephus wrote about the current location of the Lost tribes of Israel during his lifetime? I'm not speaking about the benjamites and the Jews. Josephus said they are a multitude beyond number and they lie beyond Euphrates between the black and Caspian Sea. He and everyone at that time knew exactly where the Lost tribes or the tribes that had lost their identity were located. That was 2,000 years ago and he wrote that he knew exactly where they were and it was common knowledge people during his times. The people between the black and Caspian Sea would be modern day Ukraine kazakistan and other European areas. You know that's where the word Caucasian comes from? The mountains in that area. Don't take my word for it just go read what Josephus said about the Lost tribes of israel. He never said they were lost at all but they did lose their identity over time. Good try though. I've spoken with enough Hebrew Israelites and it was a nice try. Good luck to you
Great work Dr. Sand. Eye opener, indeed.
It is debunked totaly by DNA studies.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/
Prof. !!!
Very interesting. I will now read the books.
When we are on the side of 'strong ppl' - spot on, Professor..
Thank you for this amazing knowledge, I'm sure I'll b listening to it again
Amazing book 📚 sir
Thank you
One thing I wanted to add...We Muslims (including myself a secular Muslem) in every Eid (religious holiday) say Inshallah Next Year in Mecca - does that mean we want to go back and conquer Mecca? (referring to the old saying Next year in Jerusalem) - if you take it from a religious point of view, it is a saying to to go back to the origins of the religion, to its innocent purity.
Islam came out of the original Abrahamic faith. First it was 'Judaism', then 'Christianity' then 'Islam'.
@@angr3819I don't know what's your point, but Muslims name Moses and Jesus as their prophets too. Prophet Muhammad called them "my brothers".. so yes, all religions are one as they came from one God.. if only the Torah and the Bible's original texts still existed!!
THE TRUTH IS FREEDOM.... THE TIME IS HERE ... "SHALOM"
See how severe the injust palastinians were subjected to
I came here to listen to S. Sand. 12 minutes in and the other guys seem determined to not let him open his mouth...
I jumped forward for that very reason.
I'm on min. 14, guy's still talking XD
Good Day Professor, thank you so much for the information. About 30 years ago a Palestinian came to your same conclusion. I read his book and was enlightened by his scholarly work. In his book he talked extensively about the Balfour act. I am an American of African descent. I was once a Christian but no longer believe in the Bible. This doesn’t mean I don’t believe in a higher being. It’s more about obtaining knowledge that obviously reveals itself as man made. You are 100 percent correct regarding how nation building is erected and fortified. Recently here in the U.S. people have been upset with the truth being exposed to the masses. The majority here just like many places are verily upset. Can you please have a discussion on this subject. Have a wonderful day
Watch Forbidden Knowledge Jack Otto
It all becomes crystal clear
@@satraramek9760 Thank you sooo much
you are an israelite.
Thank you.
I wish you would re-upload this with a louder volume though.
Best wishes.
It is good enough. Use a headset.
This is an eye opener!
Its just one man's opinion, and full of faults.
@@shanehenderson8756 read the book, its full of facts
@@shanehenderson8756Definitely NOT one man's point of you. Many thousands of Jews share similar beliefs, including rabbis! It's all on TH-cam for people who seek the truth. Israel is a zionist state, NOT a Jewish state.. it's becoming clearer and clearer nowadays.
Got to give to the Jewish people they have some brave people and I admire them for that.
Stop calling them Jewish. Real Jews looked like Babylonian Arabs who have Black hair and olive skin
@shallymalhotra255 anyone can be Jewish, that’s the entire point. It is a religion, anyone can convert and practice Judaism. It is passed down through generations just like any other religion.
@@shallymalhotra255 they are Jews
Am Israel Chai! Miracle.
Slomo Sand is splendid but science and the truth always collide with mystical thinking.... and fanatism!
It is debunked , DNA studies shows that it is myth.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/
Jewish people don't stick together, that's a very conservative view from the little old lady... her friend, the protesting Jew, Mr Hoffman, he's a great example of the voice of division, but there are many divisions, too many to share.
Mr Shlomo is the most interesting contemporary voice of Isreal, like it or not.
The woman said the the Jews were deprived from having a land, but in fact, whereever they were they didn't identify with the other inhabitants of those lands. Too often they became unwanted.
There is even a Jewish scholar that admited that the cause of antisemitism is the attitude of many Jews.
I'm a Costarican in Canada and my children are Canadian not Costarican. Their children will not be Costarican.
But who cares? They can be happy even if they don't get to speak my language.
I believe it is better to know more cultures but not to stay separated.
Isn't it prevalent that Jewish families don't want their children to mix with the Goyim?
Most people in the whole world love their lands and identify with the other inhabitants unless they are Racists.
Well... that's it. Whether they want to admited or not, many of those Jews are Racists and that's why they aren't happy wherever they might be.
Too many of them believe they are so special, chosen by God to guide humanity.
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If its important for Jews to have a Homeland to run in times of trouble around the world, why is it not important for the Rroma Gypsies to have one,? In 2014 thousands were killed and displaced in Donbas Ukraine., they to suffered the horrors of the extermination camps.
As well as others.
These people in the audience, not one of them said ONE WORD about the Palestinians. Terrifying, really.
I have suspected this point raised at 1:00:50 in the video that the Palestinenains are actuley descendants of the people that lived in Israel back around 2,000 years ago...
Some still are. Of the Abrahamic faiths it was first yudeans, some of whom converted to Christianity of one form or another then Islam of one sort or another. The founder of the House of Saud had been 'Jewish' and converted for business reasons. That is how they are related to all other royals. In England, the y syyc sons, their angels and ju tes then their later northman cousins. Saxons, Angles, Jutes then Normans who had settled and named Normandy in France. They intermarried and interbreed and have misruled here ever since, ensuring only their own bloodlines have the power. Remember, Queen Elisabeth II boasted she could trace her lineage back to King David. Obviously that also meant Abraham. Clearly that also applies to other royal families as they are all related.
My pre-Roman ancestors were invaded by them in too larger numbers to resist. I have word of mouth family history. So have some others still here, same as Native Americans and others have knowledge of their deep history. A recent study has shown that all white traditional white British here are 50% ancient Briton. Unfortunately, most no longer have their ancient family history and are brainwashed.
One or two tribes from Europe, from around the Caucus Mountains, decided to set up a system to take over the world bit by bit. Intermarrying as well as interbreeding (legitimately or not) to infiltrate other countries. The British Empire was theirs, as were other empires. Over time they deluded their masses that they were 'chosen by God'. One can strongly suspect that most of those at the top know the truth.
So, what has been done to the Islamic, Christian and Jewish people of Palestine has been a genocide upon other semites (of European descent).
After WWIII, the new leaders selected to run is(is)ra(men)el(ohim) changed their European names to what they believed sounded more 'Jewish'.
I believe it goes back to ancient Sumaria after the last ice age, and to Europe before that.
FAST FORWARD UNTIL 14:30 WHEN THAT POMPOUS WINDBAG FINISHES DRONING!
Piffle!
Based Shlomo
There were Jews in the German army, Navy and airforce, one surviver said I'm German first then Jewish.
Er...and whch particular Reich are you refering to in your statement?
Yes 150,000 Jews served in the German armed forces during WW2
what country was not invented???
The guy talking at the beginning is the best part of this - brilliant guy.
luke dawson Yes.
Shlomo Sand is the best of all.
My name is Kagan ,!!! I'm so called Russian Jew ,( whatever it means ) but I can be more Jewish if it sute me of course !!!!! 😀😀😀 I salute you Shlomo Sand !!!!! Basically there is no Jews DNA it's mixed with who knows what !!!!!!! First of all I'm just a human being !!! Slomo did good job 👍
Check into your Jewish identity, son!!! But in Russia it has been tough!!! Cheers, Neal Gurevich from Kiev/Radomysl
Kagan, means your ancestors are Khazars
If anyone has any doubts about jews, this video affirms those doubts.
hahaha--- doubts about people eh? Check your anti-semitism!
@@nealhurwitzbut you're not a Semite. You're a white European
The real Hebrews are Yah's hidden ones
we wuz hebrews n shiat
Exactly and this platform has every evidence book artifacts museums ancient art scriptures, film documentaries far too advances for these critics to get off their garbage and let their finger do the walking for staters what the censor on ere Pinterest show on their app thousands and thousands of volumes bible encyclopaedic material both ancient Romans testifying our colour and physics about our brown skin broad noses and demonstrate a ebony black mother and child some in silver gold or painting but not once have they verbalised the truth but display a porcelain white Jesus who they know is false
Real Hebrews had black hair and olive skin.
@@shallymalhotra255 they had dark brown reddish skin like so called black people, there's no such thing as Olive skinned which is greenish 😂
The one concept that is crystal clear is that Israeli nationalism and race started in 1948 . Only after Apartheid is lifted and non -Jewish Israelis receive all their benefits as citizens will Israel become a real country . The mixing of blood and culture is what has created all nations and will continue to change all nations . JUDAISM is without quarrel a religion and easily contested as a race .
and most are not religious
"Race" [sic]. I think not. A people? More likely. Apartheid? Hell, no! If the word Apartheid is applicable, then how is it possible for Israel's Supreme Court to have a non-Jewish Palestinian Arab sitting on the bench with his Jewish brother justices all of whom are Israeli citizens? And what about non-Jewish members of the Knesset, Arab Palestinians who are citizens of the modern State of Israel, as are thousands of non-Jewish Israeli citizens who cast their votes in elections, etc? Whatever Israel is in terms of reality, an Apartheid regime is not an intrinsic term that stands up to any scrutiny. Try again, Mr Picon...
They're a religious group. Claiming a Jewish race is a comical concept. Do you want us to believe White European Jews are the same race as Arab Jews or black African Jews? 😂
@@shukeelc5177 honey, Jews have Jewish genetics. Look it up. Also, try looking up palestinian DNA. If you give palestinians a DNA test they will be sick on the spot to learn that they come from Many other tribes and nations, and that many of them are anywhere from 20-50% Jewish 😂
I would say they most definitely are a race/ethnicity. They’re very easy to pick out bc they have similar features. They look like my Jewish hairstylist - light skin with dark curly hair and the nose thing is just true. Many of them are also short - my hair dude is like 5’2”.
I am in love :)
Still up to date
That is why the romans separeted them
They knew the invention
Piffle!
The last sentence 👏👏👏
I lived in Balfour St. in Jerusalem for a while ... Always wondered why there was such a street name
So Israel is a metaphor for a religious movement that evolved and mutated into the name of a people..and country..
Sort of like two thousand years from now, a sect of Catholics coming back to Italy and renaming it Catholic..
As to the question, is a Jew part of an ethnic group?...
Jews did proselytize in history, competing with pagans and Christians for converts, that being the case, its like calling Christians an ethnic group and they're not..
Jews is a race like 11 other tribe of israel,but jews is jews,11 other is assimilating to other religion
I'd say that Jewish is a religion and culture while Hebrew is the ethnicity (canaanites) something that Palestinians or the people near them such as Lebanese,Syrians, Jordanians possibly Egyptians carry , but not anymore the culture and the religion since they converted and evolved culture and language (arabic , a southern semitic language and culture not anymore a northern western semetic culture and language)
@@WorthToBuyynonsense. Black Jews and Arab Jews and White European Khazarian Jews are clearly not the same race 😂
God said my people ‘Israel’. God meant my people who follow and believe in me, this eventually is to define the Jewish, the Christians and the Muslims. They are monotheistic believers in the Same God of Abraham.
Israel is a first reference to all these people and not to a piece of land! I agree with Mr. s’honore Sand.
I believe Shlomo means Resurrection when he says Redemption.
The Levant region of the Middle East became important to the British when When Fisher pushed the Navy to switch the British Navy from coal fired boilers to oil in 1903 the same Year Herzl met with Chamberlain in the UK and agreed to Uganda becoming the new Jewish State. Not long after he changed his mind and went for Mandated Palestine and Transjordan.
The retired legionnaires were always sent to far or remote places with whole familia to be safer from the revenge coming.
The perception of the families headed to villa (which may not be too glorious) is sad, trails of tears and words of misery.
This is the Jewish history, the word itself means “used” as “levee”. This is the ancient agreement made for them as helots of the khasas empire.
Which is “Hasmonean” the /k/ initial causes lenition to /Kh/ and it is truly “Asmon”.
They are always blamed for everything by Rome and still are chained to the Vatican. But through Sweden which is Sudan which is ancient judan except that initial /j/ gets turned up into that shepherd staff letter we don’t use anyone. Truth is that the Jesuit priests created the modern sense of Israel and even the bulk of its script in the 19th century. An ever evolving script, many times one might flip a modern Hebrew word upside-down and notice you can make out Latin and English words in the turned script.
Like “Likud” in Hebrew script turned up reads “US-OIL” no joke.
Probably have to question standard oil and it’s misty actions in the Middle East during 19th century to make sense of it. Did I say misty? I should have said greasy or snake-oily I guess but that would be rude.
Jews are the helots to the spartan , and are leveed from the society as troops working for the Vatican in a sense easier to connect with words than paper trail these days. Though you can follow the slavery markets to make those connections but this is an unfair connection to assume of the populace to carry the burden of the elites intrigue.
Jews are lovely like my mother and powerful like my father. But so is the traits of all the other “words” that make up that fine pair.
With so many peoples around the world having zero sense of rooted history most prior to 17th century even, I would question the ones who can tell you in every detail thousands of years of tradition at the tips of their tongues. Either that culture is the one who burned everyone else’s books, or they burned everyone else.
I think what “Rome” did was to absorb not only the peoples that they crushed, but their stories as well. Thusly the Romance of Rome IS the Jewish story and the Arabs story and the Samoans story and the Cherokee/Cherusci story… etc
It is our story and it’s both dirty and beautiful.
Now to cover the enmity game that keeps the 3 main branches of “Jew” killing each other in rotation.
But for another time.
Have you ever applied lenition rules to Basque/Algonquin pidgin on Hebrew words?
All words if old enough to have been exiled from “Egypt” will naturally have had an initial consonant. So.. I presume the version of Israel that came out of Egypt is the “Mizraim” making a good candidate for their initial letter to be an M.
Well.. in the maritime-merchantcraft basque/Algonquin pidgin (which for my money is Phoenician 2.0) the letter M initially flips with the letter B in Latin/English and this makes the oldest version of the word Israel “Byzrael” and reversing Lenition by replacing the /el/ between the /ae/ we get “Byzrala” which Rala is “to groan or grumble” and “Byz” gives that sense of bees buzzing whether in business always busy or the whirring of scythes on fields of wheat or the buzz of oarsmen rowing and complaining.
Think of what Moses greatest complaint was, misusing his gold and complaining. Lol I think that covers my personality to a T lol
Now since “byzantine” is an obvious comparison here, you’d say but the buzzanteans expelled the “Jews” so they can’t be Jewish…
But which “kind of Jews” weren’t they?
I’d ask the same question of the Spanish and English expulsions as well. Only in David’s time had the whole of Israel been United and only by his Morning star. The rest of history is about the tribes enmity game against each other.
Revenge back and forth because it’s good business and it creates broken and desperate people of your neighbor to the point where they choose to put the chains on themselves and work for the master at a fraction of their worth.
That, in a nutshell is the purpose of the vaticans military industrial complex that has always belonged to Rome and always done exactly the same thing through all of recorded time. So easy to trace because they burned all other records to the point where you can only trace their guilt.
It’s like a serial killer that thought they were covering their tracks by leaving nothing but their own fingerprints all over the murder scene of time immemorial.
Use nothing I have said for hateful purpose and love your neighbor as yourself, then this word will be a blessing to your life.
Thank you for reading this world is a lonely place for the ancient of heart. - mess, I am
I looked up the question of "The Land of Israel" being stated in the Bible...I can find no phrase "the Land of Israel" in my search engine. There are phrases that can be ASSUMED to mean this. But not the phrase itself.
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Isareal is the name that was given to Yacob/Jacob, and his seeds/sons are Isarelites......That's why you couldn't find Isareal as a place/land.....The land itself was called Canaan.....
@@lisajackson1476So, the Israelites were Canaanites? I'm sure the biblical writers would appreciate your timely correction of their absent-mindedness on this distinction.
The original Hebrews are a race. Jew derives from Judah. One of 12 children of Jacob(Israel). And those there now are NOT in no way shape or form are the people of the bible. They are converts who convinced themselves that they are the people. They are not. They are Europeans. The people of the book are descendants of Shem and were and are still a black people. Ashkenaz is the son of Gomer the son of Japheth. The eldest son of Noah. Who was an albino black man.
An albino black man??? Really. A clear disconnect between what actually is and what the haters think the reality should be. We can theorize about what should be Jewish and what actually constitutes Jewishness as it exists today. It is the modern day version of ancient theologians debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. They exist because they say they exist and your criteria is meaningless.
More than 50% of Israelis are from the middle east region you lying anti Semitic scumbag.
sam samson Nope. 85% of the Jews today are descendants of the Khazars.
Who let the Ernest cuckoo outta the clock??
Where have you been for the last 1000 years, bud?
APTTMH!
Jewish identity is built around victimhood.
They are a meme trying to turn into a gene, the opposite of the normal course of a people emerging as a unity and developing a culture, traditions, ideals.
The first Jews were parts of the lowliest segments of a civilization in Mesopotamia, which developed an idea that would overturn their meekness, their inferiority, and turn it into a superiority.
This idea went viral...particularly when it morphed when coming into contact with Hellenic culture, the Greek meme, becoming Christianity - in the east it became Islam.
With nihilism, because it is a product of inversion, the world, reality, is turned upside down.
Instead of the gene producing a meme, it is the meme trying to produce a gene...and all values are inverted.
In this case, the idea is trying to impose itself as a genetic inheritance, instead f the opposite being the case.
The conflict between Hellenism (paganism) and Judaism (Christianity).
funny how the same applies to the palestinian people, who were invented in the 70's for exactly that reason, to take on the victim role instead of israel in the larger arab-israeli conflict .
bram callebert Palestinians existed there long before the second world war and the resettlement of Jews in the region. As a people with no original homeland many other possible locations were considered before Palestine was chosen....besides you can't blame the Palestinians for adopting the victimhood method of those who use ti so effectively. Jewish identity is founded no being the chosen to suffer....they turned being a slave into being a master, and being a victim into a oppressive passive-aggressive force. The rest is them adopting ancient Egyptian spirituality and Zoroastrianism, and integrating it into their reversal of hierarchies where weak becomes strong, and humility becomes pride...and so on = Nihilism in a nutshell
+bram callebert lol no m8 they weren't invented in the 70's.
and assume that their name "Palestinian" was indeed an invention, does that mean that Jordanians and the Lebanese are also invented and they never lived on Jordan/Lebanon? Because if Jordan was also part of the area that the Colonizing British promised for the Jews, I'm pretty sure the Zionists - whether they are Jews or American hard-core amrageddon evangelical ones like yourself - would also spread the lie that they "never existed".
Palestinians, or whatever the fuck you call them, lived long enough in Palestine (around 1860 years, which is a shit ton of years) to be considered the indigenous population of the land, and if that isn't enough, then I don't know what is, and they have every right to fight back for their stolen land.
i'm not american nor am I a practicing christian. yes there were arabs living there, they didn't consider themselves palestinians. arabs were given lots of land after world war 1, 99% of the middle east. jordan was specifically given to the arab population of british palestine. the palestinian solution was and still is simple: go to your own country.
and yes, the palestinian identity was invented in the 70's as a propaganda tool. all those other national identities are also invented ones, and not ethnic ones. they are mostly arabs, and arabs were given several countries (lebanon, syria, jordan, iraq) so again, these palestinians should simply stop whining and go to one of their own countries if they don't wanne be in israel
Vous êtes une bénédiction je souhaite que vous puissiez traduire en sous titrait en differentes langues toutes vos vidéos.
Pour libérer comme la francophonie la était que élohim vous garde❤❤❤ .
It was British Christianite extremists of the 19th and early 20th Century that produced the messianic concept of Anglo-Israelism. Collaterally, It was Hertl's initial adoption of the late 19th Century's neo-Zionist agenda that included absorbing the Anglo-Israelism ethic to serve its own greater colonial political goals.
Agree completely. There is nothing more disgusting and dangerous than prople using history and mitology as an excuse of actions on the present that, if anybody else did it, they would be justly repudated. I see this all the time being done by "minorities": people defending the nazi-like behavior or israel, the racial discrimination whites suffer in south africa, the way men keep loosing fundamental rigthts because of feminists who think preferential treatment for them is equality. And much more. Now even some LGBT discriminate people who are not like them. This weaponization of victim status must stop.
Whites in South Africa are not experiencing racial discrimination, don’t tell lies. They are still very much in charge, and have never changed. The only difference is that there are laws now and consequences for racism. Here’s the truth: equality feels like discrimination to those who do not like equality with fellow humans that do not look like them.
If anything, white people are the ones weaponising, or trying to weaponise their political minority status and weaponise it. It is not working though in the main. Not having your way in all things is what would make you feel like you are being discriminated against.
According to scripture, isn't the Messiah the one to bring his people into their land? Did scriptures not say that there'll be no more war after they return?
Exactly, folks seem to be selective on scriptures for their point to be made. Making scriptures line up to you versus you lining up to the scripture
Yes and no. Jesus would establish His kingdom in Israel but the scriptures does say that Israel would be attacked by all the Armied of the world and Jesus saves them at the last minute. In order for that to happen there has to be an Israel.
@@MrJoebrooklyn1969, Israel is the people, not the land. Scripture does say that the Messiah will gather his people and bring them out of the land of their 400 years of enslavement, Genesi 15: 14. He also said they will come out of the land of their gentile oppressor with great wealth. Before you say this was Egypt, you should know that Egyptians are not Gentiles. Only Japhetic people are called Gentiles. Again Israel is a people and not a land of a country. The land of Israel can be anywhere the Israelite people live under their own government.
You are right, but after a thousand years he will put a hook in the mouth of Gog and bring him along with a company of others to invade the land. But at that time all the tribes will be one nation living in a land of unwalled villages.
Only Japeth is Gentiles? Break that one down for me. Gentiles means ethnos or nations. So Japeth sons the only ones who own nations? That one is easy to refute
the ancestors of the modern day palestinians were jews who over time first converted to christianity then to islam.
I agree 💯
Truth
You have a room full of people who are European who call themselves Jews or Jewish. They are hearing one of their own say they and a land called Israel is an invention. Shlomo Sand approaches this topic via politics and religion, then shockingly goes into nationality. This is how he defines this invention. He knows that his people are Caucasian Europeans who aren't any different from any other Caucasians living in Europe. Europeans just speak different languages like French, English, Spanish, German, etc., but are biologically the same people. How are a select people in Europe calling themselves Jews and other Europeans are not, when you are all the same people biologically. This does not make any sense. Today the Torah is available for all of Europe but all of Europe is still not saying they are the Jews of antiquity. By his own words Schlomo (19:00) says he's trying to find ONE BOOK on the exile of his people 2000 years ago from Judea. They tell him it's not us. You hear people in the audience laugh. The scholars in the University of Tel Aviv know their people who are calling themselves Jews are not. People who is of European ancestry and calling themselves Jews or Jewish should analyze the story of Moses and Pharoah. This story takes place on the continent of Africa. Where Caucasians in Africa 3000 years ago as slaves? Of course not. Schlomo is basically saying this invention is now on a political and religious foundation. How do you call yourself a people who you are not and maintain it for so long. How does one live this lie?
The question of biology is irrelevant. It is imprecise and there is so much mixture it renders it useless for these purposes. It was anti-semites who invented the Jews as a race. But that is not to say that the Jews of Europe weren’t Jewish. They were absolutely Jewish because they practiced the religion of Judaism. Just like any modern day practicing Jew is in every sense a Jew. There are not now nor were there ever “biological” Jews. It is a made up concept used to make a group the scapegoats for problems in Europe. Just like there’s no such thing as a biological Christian or Muslim. People are born into these traditions and many leave and many stay. Once a person leaves a religion, they are no longer a part of it, regardless of what anyone says. That’s what Professor Sand means by there being no secular Jewish culture. Just like there is no secular Christian culture; both are a contradiction in terms.
Judaeism is a RELIGION not an Ethnicity, but the ZIONAZTIES try to mix everything up to confuse misdirect and deceive everyone...Ashkenasim Jews from Europe were converts from Khazaria (Ukraine/Poland/Hungary) in 8thC AD by their King Bulan. As a religion they are Jewish. Ethnicity they are European.
'The Wandering Who?' A Study of Jewish Identity Politics
Book by Gilad Atzmon
Another similar argument of so-called "Jewish Identity".
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Willy, but what about your identity? Perhaps you might benefit from reading Maimonides' great work, 'A Guide For The Perplexed'.
Agree, thera has to be 2 separate States in Palestine land ❤❤❤❤❤
A good quote from someone who left Germany when the Nazis took over that really reflects the alteration of identity: "I left Germany as a leftist and came back as a Jew." („Ich habe Deutschland als Linker verlassen und bin als Jude zurückgekommen.“)
My mom and her entire family were secular Germans. Her father fought for Germany in WW1. WW2 she lost eighty percent of her family, parents included. After that, guess what, she without a doubt identify as Jewish. That's what indiscriminately killing Jews does to a person
very nice but i will point our there is no anti semitism because all Middle East is semitic and when you say anti semitic then you are against all semitic ppl who are in the Middle East you can say i am anti-jew/zionism, as personally with the Jewish ppl I have no fight only with their government.
He knows who the real Jews are ✌🏿✊🏿🤷🏿♂️
You do know he's an atheist right?
Shlomo Sand appears to be the most prominent Jewish intellectual in Israel; to the extent that throughout his public life he adhered to the ethics of his profession as a reliable and credible historian. His implacable rigor with which he exercises his profession and his astonishing courage to defend the truth give him an unrivaled aura throughout the world. For this, he is highly respected in circles of Arab intellectuals. For example, he was not afraid to publicly reveal that he had searched every library in the West to find a single history book discussing the forced expulsion of Jews from Palestine two thousand years ago; alas he found nothing of the sort. Therefore, such a hunt for Jews never took place, but it is purely a lie of Zionist propaganda to deceive world opinion. During a televised tête-à-tête with Mayer Habib a few years ago, Shlomo Sand ridiculed his opponent by accusing him of his dual nationality, saying "you want two states; a state where you work and a state for your well-deserved vacation..." Bravo Shlomo Sand for your clarity of mind and hats off to your activism with a human and humanist face
The Albanians are the Ilirians who were in Kosovo long before the South slaves "Serbs" showed up. So in that I disagree with your comparison with Jewish land. I thank you for the lecture and deep knowledge of your history.
Yes. The white Romans expelled the black Jews from Rome.
References to an expulsion of Jews from Rome by the Roman emperor Claudius, who was in office AD 41-54, appear in the Acts of the Apostles (18:2), and in the writings of Roman historians Suetonius (c. AD 69 - c. AD 122), Cassius Dio (c. AD 150 - c. 235) and fifth-century Christian author Paulus Orosius. Scholars generally agree that these references refer to the same incident.[1][2]
I find it incredulous that these so called learned people can have a protracted discussion on this matter and never find themselves asking the fundamental question; 'Then who are the real people of the book???'
Why use "incredulous" when you don't know what it means? The word you need is "incredible". Go away and learn what incredulous actually means.
😂 no one! Because the people in this "book" are themselves not real. They are fictitional characters...
Because they are the people who were taken into slavery . That poses a huge problem for 10 % of the world
@@adamclark1972uk Ah, a fellow wordsmith...
Mr. Shlomo how can you consider yourself Shemetic if you're not from the lineage of Shem?
These CAPOS make Galloway look like a nice guy...
49:15 "I don't want Britain [to] define itself as the state only of the Englishman." Is Sholmo rooting for the Scots, Welsh & Ulster Irish? Or was this an oblique reference to us Brits who are a composite lot of Tommies, skirt-wearing Scotch (mine's a pint of Laophraig, squire), rugby-crazy Taffies and boozy Ulster fry Micks? Was he or was he not also pitching a hurrah for those Brits who are the descendants of the denizen-chickens who came "home" to roost from the Empire beyond? I think we should be told.
The north was always different from the south
In the levant
Over 9 minutes in, and I hadn't heard from the person I came to hear. Jeez
There is a jewish land given by Stalin to the jews before Israel's foundation. This is Birobidjan, an oblast of Russia far in the East. But the Zionists didn't want to know about it - since at least 1020 AD their aim was to recapture Palestine
There is a jerusalem or 2 in greece
Evro river
Evro la aguja
... maybe Shlomo moves to LA...
@Puss nBoots And where do you live dear???
@Puss nBoots USA...
The concept of race needs to be understood and defined. It has yet to be but likely will never be in the scheme of things. Ethnicity/ethnicities are less nebulous. DNA is a game changer. Jews are Jews, more or less. More because they are in the diaspora and Israel's modern state. The other side of the equation, which dares not speak its name, cannot be ignored, for they are here and now. Likewise, the Jews, more or less, must be accommodated in the future of the Levant. Israel's Menachim Begin and Egypt's Anwar Sadat accomplished the unthinkable. In that case, there's hope that two great men of their times will emerge from the miasma to accomplish the unthinkable.
Hebrera
Lol....go look in a russian university text book....and
You will find that a chagen (king)...chose his peoples religion....back around the 6th or 7th century...
Khazarians etc?
Yes....khazarians.....also known as....fake gews.....not semite.....satanic
King Bulan of the Khazarian Empire
the deal is give us the holy bank aka west bank and take the rest around us ! and gaza u can be a state !
What they find in archeology it doesnt coincide with the tora
Piffle!
The invention was when they came back from babylon
In 400 bc
They took the indoeuropean alphabet invented their language
The alphabet is from assyria ugarit
That is canaan and anatolia
Greek indoeuropean
Siro sent them back
TooLate to argue over land
God knows where there are.They are forget them self and the world forget them also as the Bible say’s
Jerusalem was in the tribe of Benjamin but it was under the control of the Jebusites, Israel was in Samaria the kingdoms Judah was separated from the Kingdom of Israel.
LEO POLDINA
So, a Jew is just a Culture, but not a race...I like that...Someone posted, that Netanyahu is Polish blood descendant. 😂😂😂😂😂
What is a difference between a culture and a race?
Difference seems to be in how people define Jew during various periods of time throughout history.
However, it appears that none of the definitions account for how GOD has DEMONSTRATED the identity of the seed of Abraham.
Reading the Bible and following the line of descendants and their wives and the lands of their origins you begin to SEE and EXPERIENCE the wonderful tapestry of faithful believers from all the NATIONS of His creation.
Moreover, reading the words of Moses as he speaks with the MIXED MULTITUDE before the go over with Joshua, Moses clearly states the inheritance is the EARTH.
EXODUS 19:4-6
The EARTH is the Lords and the fullness of it. We are heirs to the KINGDOM and that is the New Earth.
Well you have to believe the various books of the compendium of books called the bible are accurate deep history to believe that. Maybe you can read about how many times books were taken out, others put in, there were mistranslations, twistings of truth as well as outright lies for reasons of power. Think a this. Almost all writings of almost any re-legions allow for leaders to call for war or peace.
Also look into etymology. The word amen came from the ancient Egyptian pharoah god Amun (Hyksos proto Jews). DNA of ancient mummies has shown they were white Caucasians, Hyksos or not. The word bless from the word "blood" in old German. God from the old German "guden".
There is a lot in etymology. Also in the phonetics of the English language who has been developed to mislead (read the book by Pao Chang "word magic". Not about candles and cloaks but about the way English words are used to trick us).
Did the Lord tell the dragons to Drakaris?
God Almighty has said, "Come let us make Man in our image" , did not God Almighty also give man a means of doing so. By the "seed" being placed with the man and the woman made to grow and bring forth the man from within her. Too, multiple God's Almighty's Kingdom upon the Earth? Then anything out of the "Will" of God Almighty is "Sin"(against) God Almighty, We as a people trade on Very Dangerous Ground, May HE open your understanding to HIS ways. ❤ LOVE IS TALKING, AMEN
They took from their neibourds
We all need a homeland. Why do they not want anyone else to have one also?
he needs to know about '67 better...
Puerto Rican
Nationalist Party--- people want their land... and Am Israel Chai!
He took part in it.
Exceptionalism was done any with when Jesus came and died for us all we are grafted in now. The Lords wrath did away with all the Jews that dined him. those that loved and followed him were following the Way.