@Gewel, I like to see how EV is going to smoke combustion engines in race like 24h LeMan or in some rally in Finland in minus 25 °C. Get your head out of your ass and understand EV are not ready to surpass gasoline engines in practicality and ecology, screw your green agenda and learn that to make one lithium battery you are polluting the earth like driving gasoline car for 10 years, and you have to change the battery after 5 years.
My limited experience between the two is the absolute and immediate brute force of a supercharger vs the mild start then overwhelming and uncontrollable kick from a turbo. Love this channel
Nearly 30 years ago I was in charge of production at Sprintex Superchargers (In Perth West Australia ) where we built and exported over 1000 units to Art Whipple (which is now Whipple Chargers and run by his son in Fresno California) There is the common misconception that turbo uses "free" energy from exhaust gas. This is simply incorrect. Many years of R&D at Sprintex and any identical engine with equal amounts of intake manifold pressure. (e.g. 50kpa) will make pretty much the same net BHP. We did diesel, petrol, aircraft, industrial engines, marine and old and new engine design all with fantastic results. Turbos can not take advantage of natural exhaust scavenging either. I agree it is a bit of a historical thing also but Superchargers do sound great..👍🤪🦘
Gen 1 coyote can make 650hp safely with a vortech or Whipple, but It can make over 700hp with a single or twins without ripping the crankshaft input off, kicking a rod thru the side of the block. Turbochargers will always be easier on parts and more efficient because they do not have parasitic loss like a supercharger. This guy is smoking pole.
That limited experience must have been with improperly sized turbos and dumb Honda kids, because the right size turbo for whatever engine it’s on will provide more power everywhere- starting right off idle. Notably more than a supercharger.
I've always preferred superchargers just because of the sound. They rev in sync with the engine, so you end up with a beautiful harmony of engine revs with supercharger whine and it's just the most glorious thing you've ever heard.
They do sound good indeed. I'm an European so I don't get to hear muscle car v8 that often, but when I do its amazing. Turbo chargers are also very popular in Europe because of evolution of diesel engines, which were the norm back in the day and which made small displacement diesel engines both powerful, with lots of torque, and economical. One of the best examples I can think of is BMW which for a 2.0 turbo diesel could get 60+ mpg while having 184 to 213 hp in 2008. Now it doesn't sound that much, but back then I was impressed.
I’m a supercharger fan, mainly for the constant visceral experience from the drivers seat. However I also really like the rush of G’s that comes on when a higher boost turbo set up starts pulling hard. That hot V configuration is sick and having everything right there to work on is so nice. Killer vid man!
I much prefer having 500hp with a turbo than 500hp SC because the turbo car will be faster as it’s power increase is free of charge where the SC costs power to make power. I’m a practicality man. I’ve just turbocharged a 2005 ZX10R too and there is no lag.
This channel is literally a heaven for car enthusiasts and people trying to increase their overall knowledge about internal combustion engines. These illustrations with the voice overs give a tremendous clarification of the engine. Keep up the good work brother!
Great video. Worth noting that the first superchargers used on automobiles were developed by Paul Daimler in the early 1920's. Having previously worked on Roots style compressors for WWI aircraft engines he went on to build World beating race engines for Mercedes, thrashing competitors like Bentley at the Nurburgring etc.
I’m pleased to see this comment. Daimler/Mercedes played a HUGE roll in bringing superchargers to to cars. Personally one of my favorite supercharged engines of all time is AMG’s M113K.
As a Mopar tech of 23 years, I love your vids. Even though I am already very knowledgeable about the information you present, I still learn tidbits of new info you have taken the time to research and I haven't. Plus you present the info in an entertaining, straightforward and easy to understand format with good editing skills. Keep it up!
The problem with hot Vee turbos is heat management. These engines generates a ton of heat and are hard to keep them cool. BMW's first N63 engine (twin turbo Hot Vee) was a disaster; trust me I had one (2010 550i). There were issues with the turbos coolant/oil lines, burning oil; killing batteries because the fan would run for a long time to cool the turbos. I can say BMW improved the engine with each technical update (TU) such as N63TU1-N63TU4. Over the years, I had a '14 550i, '18 M550i and currently a '21 M5 Comp (uses S63 engine with better internal parts) and had no issues (looking for some wood to knock on)! 😄 Last, going forward ('23 models), BMW will only use their M division new plug in hybrid V8 engine (S68) in all their V8 models (the engine will be detuned to differentiate true M cars versus M performance models.
N63 are just absolute trash. M60 was great, M62 already had chain guide problems. N62 took that over and also added valve stem seals to the list. N63 took all these problems and added turbo related problems. Seems as if every iteration just gets worse. BMW V8s are made out of glass. Only get an N63 car if its just had a replacement engine or everything has been replaced before the ticking time bomb comes around
I think it's incredible what Ford has managed to do with the ecoboost series ESPECIALLY on the F-150. Superchargers can definitely get you more power now, but turbos can dramatically increase overall powerplant efficiency.
This Ford is the top dog when it comes to the big American three. Their passenger cars and SUV and nice. GM is only killing it because of the new Corvette and dodge jumped started the new muscle car era. But the dodge 1500 are kinda cheap looking. GM the king of V8s still sucks at making v8s
Great content! I love how you present the info and compare like for like performance and hp between the supercharged cars vs turbo equipped cars! Thank you!
As a former N63 owner, the hot V definitely needed work when it came out. Regularly cooking the oil in the turbos is a terrible side effect, but as he says, it was easier to work on them being up top.
Gotta remember the biggest thing. You were close to saying it. V8s make more low end torque than 6 and 4 cylinder engines. Super chargers give instant torque better for low end power. Turbos build peak boost later in the rev range better for DOHC high revving engines. Usually v8s aren’t Devine as high. Also V style engines are wider making it harder to fit snails next to the heads. Super chargers sit snug on top of the intake manifold
That kinda goes both ways though, because supercharging the i6's and i4's could help offset their relative lack of Torque. I think its mainly down to the fuel costs in US vs EU, Euro car manufactures focused more on turbos because they knew their customers demanded better fuel efficiency due to the higher cost of gas in EU, not to mention the EU's stricter gas guzzler taxes and so forth, which the US stupidly followed suit with later.
A properly sized turbo can start spooling at 2100 rpm. But then fail on the top end of the rpm. But a twin turbo setup matched correctly has both low and top end.
So, my truck makes peak power at 3,000 rpm, and it is turbo charged. It makes very little power at high RPMs, so that kinda blows your stupid comment out of relevancy, huh?
Just discovered your channel. Love the way you thoroughly explain everything in a very understandable & logical format. Good stuff. Keep it coming! Thanks
Man I’m not one to ever comment on videos but I HAVE to say this. I agree with everyone else. Your last 5 ,6 videos ?! Are amazing. I binged watched all of them. You’re knowledgeable , articulate very well , and we can all FEEL the passion you have for this shit. Props bro. These videos are gonna take you places you haven’t even realized yet. Wishing you all the love and blessings brother.
Your channel is awesome. I love that the algo recommended it. If you aren't already, I'd love a video talking about the differences/pros and cons between single, twin, and sequential/compound setups
I've always loved having a built high compression naturally aspirated engine. Something about the drive ability and sound with them even though they don't make as much power after a certain point, they're just way more fun to drive for me.
@@evictioncarpentry2628 throttle-sensitive, noisy as hell, lurching at stop lights the list goes on. You have fun with all that. The rest of us will stick with 10:1 and a turbo, make twice as much power as you, be able to put the car in gear and idle through a parking lot without all the nonsense. To each their own. Some people like to show off their slow and obnoxiously loud small block, some people appreciate a comfortable and reliable 1,000hp.
@@boost1728 I have none of those issues, for the second time. My vehicles run 100% everytime. Everyone of my friends boosted vehicles are constantly broken or having "tune issues", the fact you think 1000hp Boosted is more daily drivable is laughable, so whatever you're smoking in fantasy land, keep on keeping on, jack.
Great vid, love them both! Always wanted a 283 small block Chevy supercharged. Currently I have a supercharged old-school big block Mopar. The torque from the get-go is insane. You were spot on my friend. Thanks for sharing your content.
Fun Fact: One of the early prototypes for the BMW N54 was a positive displacement 3.0 Inline 6. They obviously ended up going with a twin turbocharged setup
You mentioned positive displacement in your other comment, what do you mean by positive displacement? because engines tend to not be the best descriptor of that phenomenon.
@@amorag59 I think he meant supercharged, of which a positive displacement supercharger is a type. Roots blowers and twin screws are positive displacement pumps, as opposed to say a centrifugal supercharger which is a dynamic pump.
This is an amazing video, thank you for sharing. Look forward to watching more. One thing on hot-v systems not noted is the heigher center of gravity due to the weight of the turbos/etc being moved up higher in the car.
I love the look of the computer generated cars and engines and engine parts. Really really liking this channel. Keep it up! As long as you keep posting videos with awesome footage and those amazing 3d animations I’m gonna hang around!
I definitely plan on keeping my 1999 SVT Lightning and my 2014 F-150 Ecoboost. Both trucks have 2 completely different personalities. The Lightning will instantly light the tires, pushing me back in the seat and there's the lovely exhaust note and supercharger whine. I actually most times forget that the Ecoboost has forced induction because of its lack of noise from the turbos and its power delivery being very different than that of my Lightning.
The explanation of the inherent differences between the two was clear as day. Don't know why I was never able to get a clear answer for forced induction comparison back then. Thank you for making this video
im not an expert by any means but aren't those just flutters (i take it you mean the crackles and pops?) intentionally programmed misfires that could occur just as well on any engine setup?
great videos mate. i especially like how you talk at a normal speed... unlike some other creators that talk so slow i have to speed up the video to x1.25. cheers for that.
I think u should mention that newer higher Cost turbo models have a System where if u shift the air valve opens and lets air pass through the turbo so it won't have a turbo lag anymore and has nearly constant power
I don't know if the European engineers came up with the hot v first, but I've seen that setup in a v-12 diesel engine and it was for oil field fracking operations which is probably not the only application. It had 4 turbos and I was really having a hard time figuring out the plumbing since it wasn't torn apart. It was an absolute maze of piping lol.
Thank You so much! I really love your videos and apprciate all the hard work involved in making them. I like the high quality graphics and commentary. A lot of the time I am thinking about something just before you say it. Your videos are just so enjoyable, informative and involving. So, Thank You once again! Can't say enough!, Well done my friend! And i'm looking forward to many more. 👍👋🙏
important thing to note. A supercharger with a pressure bypass that allows n/a performance off and partial throttle only draws as much load as an unloaded alternator
As was probably already mentioned, twin screws are somewhat rare these days; principally limited to the IHI Hellcat blowers. Pretty much everything else in recent history has been Eaton TVS Roots.
I think the "peak" of internal combustion is only limited by metallurgy. 50 years ago blocks couldn't take nearly any boost. Nowadays you see 20PSI without thinking much of it, upwards of 100+PSI on all out race builds. Maybe one day technology will be good enough, and trickle down cost wise enough, that we can cost-effectively have super-strong engine internals and make massive power. That would only be for dedicated enthusiasts though, no doubt all production cars are going to become electric, I think internal combustion will eventually be left solely to the aftermarket. You still have people that like living their lives without electricity or anything like that... Some people just never change, and there will always be a niche for internal combustion, even if it fades away from the main spotlight.
50 years ago nobody made engines with forced induction so there was no reason to fit very strong connecting rods. These engines are turbocharged from factory, naturally the internals are designed to take much more abuse. It's the choice to use boost that has led to manufacturers fitting stronger internals, not the other way around. You're right in the sense that improvements in metallurgy are part of this but mainly on the turbos side rather than the blocks. It used to be much more difficult to machine a turbo with enough precision that it wasn't unbalanced and now we have superalloys that combine light weight, high strength and high tolerance to temperature. We also have direct injection and advanced engine electronics management to make it all work together, turbos and carburettors don't go very well together.
Blocks could take it. The Ford big block 352 loves boost. The pistons, rods, and head gaskets were not there yet in metallurgy or design to take big power though. Even today I'm having issues finding anyone that wants to supply forged rods, pistons, and crank so I can see what 40psi in a Ford 352 will do to my galaxies
I have watched a lot of your videos I love your explanation of the different engines an it's components your narrative is awesome me being a mechanic myself I could only imagine if had a teacher that explained engine's an components an how they worked I probably would have finished gasoline an Diesal engine repair in 30 days versus years You have the perfect t speaking voice for teaching an educating you have updated me on new tech Thanks for all you do best wishes
Your information, Your presentation is different from the mainstream. I love it. Keep up the good work. Keep doing what you have been doing. Keep your originality.
I love this series so much. That would be epic if you collab with Engineering Explained. I love the practical/real world context applied to how these things come to be just as much as I love the hyper technical breakdown. Combining both worlds going back and forth while discussing things would be so much fun.
This man deserves all the subs. Awesome content brother. Absolute LOVE how you lay these videos out. The visuals the accuracy of the facts and details and all in a very easy to digest format. Absolutely brilliant. Here for the long haul my man. Keep um coming.
I love the idea of twincharging setups like Lancia did with the S4. I.e. having both a turbo and a supercharger. A little crazy for a daily driver though.
Nowadays it's also an overly complicated and unnecessary solution. Modern turbos have a very wide usable range, not like those old turbos that were useless before 3500rpm, plus many cars now have 48V mild hybrid systems which can be used to drive an electric compressor on the turbo.
@@BigUriel Won't stop me from loving them due to the audacity of the fundamental setup. (not to mention that when they work, they really work) On the note of hybrid designs of any nature. These will not even come into play when I am entertaining the idea of a twincharged mid engine setup like the S4. They are just something else, as in 'does not apply'. To twist a line from history DAMN THE MERITS, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!!. :P
@@mistersomaru Modern day Lancia gives so few fucks that "Stratos" means so little to them, they have literally given up any legal claim to the name. I mean, its better than sitting on that name and doing nothing with it. But still. wtf Lancia. Lancia's likely answer "minivan go putputputput."
Lancia put that in the s4, supercharger for low revs and turbocharger for high revs. Haven't seen or heard of it since then, maybe it wasn't cost efficient idk.
great video love the content, what i am wondering after watching this if superchargers have these benefits over turbos, how come diesels arent supercharged over turbocharged?
Bro you be making these things seem so easy to understand. I wanna do a engine swap on my Toyota pickup and I never understood the hot V setup but I get it now.
One other thing about hybrids is that the electric motor is well suited to give a quick boost and compensate for turbo lag. The two fit really well together (e.g. McLaren P1)
A myth was stated at the 3:22 mark that the hot-vee setup resulted in less lag. Whether you mount the turbo near the exhaust ports or the intake ports, either the exhaust gases or the intake air has to go to the other side of the cylinder head. There is no reduction in the length of the total path. Mounting the turbos inboard does not decrease the total length of the intake air plus the exhaust gases. It's a wash.
@@-tarificpromo-7196 tell me you were born in the backseat of a tesla without actually telling me that you were born in the backseat of a tesla. Passion for cars has nothing to do with actually going fast or stomping on a single pedal like a zombie. But what do you know, you re 8
One thing you must admit though, is that high performance turbo noises sound pretty damn cool, especially with a blowoff valve and manual transmission. But supercharger whine is so choice.
@@troypatillo1688 back in the early 2000s there were supercharged civics, namely Jackson Racing, but turbo civics were faster. I have to agree that displacement plays a big role in turbo vs supercharger.
as a self taught mechanic, videos like this are really helping me expand my knowledge. keep it up man! hope you can cover the advantage and disadvantage of an H pattern gear box vs sequential gear box
Sequential being in a specific order more so disadvantage would be not going from 1st to 3rd etc like an H pattern could! Advantages over H pattern less shift time no miss shifts etc! That help any??
Sequencial are often only designed for racing, and will have features such as straight cut gears (stronger but lots of gear whine), and the ability to slam shift. You can take the pressure off them by blipping the throttle and just mashing the lever forward or backwards to shift. H pattern is generally able to be shifted fairly quick, but it's hard on the synchros trying to jam gears if you even can at all. You can float the gears without touching the clutch by rev matching but it's way slow.
The fact you don’t have millions of subscribers already is mind blowing to me, you break down everything better than some companies do in their marketing material (350k as of writing is a crime)
I don't think the petrol engins are going to go away let alone quickly like everyone thinks. Fingers crossed I'm right for all our motor head sake.😉😊 what I think may in time give the super charger a run for its money is the electric turbo like Porsche has patented and tinkering with. As the technology grows for that it will be interesting to see how that goes. Because charging and batteries needed to power the electric to spool it. How long can it go how many hits can you get out of a charge. Space saver though because no longer need to hook to exhaust manifold so you can kinda put it where ever it seems. It will be interesting.
Turbos are also very sensitive to temperature so in order for them to be a ✌🏻set it and forget it✌🏻 type situation they have to be dialed back… Also the supercharger is only affected by the intake side of the engine and has amplified effect on the exhaust🤤. Keep all this good stuff coming man!!🤙🏻
What do you mean it's only effected by the intake side? Not sure what you're trying to say there. And what do you mean it has to bs "dialed back"? It seems like you only partially know what you're talking about and you're just making the rest up as you go lol.
@@midnight347 turbos run off exhaust side…superchargers are on the intake… to get max effort out of turbos they take constant tweaking to keep up with temperature swings… superchargers do not. I understand if you don’t get it
Bro keep breaking down the motors like this and you’re gonna go way up. People like me love this kind of stuff
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I really don’t think he understands how up he’s gonna go!
I agree Heavy 😂💪🏾like these videos are me when a friend asks just 1 simple question on air induction or some shit🤌🏾🤌🏾
@@hoagiewhap1006 lol real talk
“Car tech for dummies” type book.
That instant torque is such a beautiful thing for supercharged engines.
Electrics smoke them anyway smh
@@GewelReal Pride month is over.
@Gewel, I like to see how EV is going to smoke combustion engines in race like 24h LeMan or in some rally in Finland in minus 25 °C. Get your head out of your ass and understand EV are not ready to surpass gasoline engines in practicality and ecology, screw your green agenda and learn that to make one lithium battery you are polluting the earth like driving gasoline car for 10 years, and you have to change the battery after 5 years.
@@GewelReal yeah, but push it only once n battery goes low immediately, fuck that shit..
@@P71ScrewHead that's why current electric cars are for suckers.
I'm still waiting for vastly better and safer batteries to become available
My limited experience between the two is the absolute and immediate brute force of a supercharger vs the mild start then overwhelming and uncontrollable kick from a turbo. Love this channel
Nearly 30 years ago I was in charge of production at Sprintex Superchargers (In Perth West Australia ) where we built and exported over 1000 units to Art Whipple (which is now Whipple Chargers and run by his son in Fresno California) There is the common misconception that turbo uses "free" energy from exhaust gas. This is simply incorrect. Many years of R&D at Sprintex and any identical engine with equal amounts of intake manifold pressure. (e.g. 50kpa) will make pretty much the same net BHP. We did diesel, petrol, aircraft, industrial engines, marine and old and new engine design all with fantastic results. Turbos can not take advantage of natural exhaust scavenging either. I agree it is a bit of a historical thing also but Superchargers do sound great..👍🤪🦘
U said it doesn't use exhaust gasses how does it work then would you care to explain?
@@farayimatibiri1724 You missed the important word in his reply, "Free".
Gen 1 coyote can make 650hp safely with a vortech or Whipple, but It can make over 700hp with a single or twins without ripping the crankshaft input off, kicking a rod thru the side of the block. Turbochargers will always be easier on parts and more efficient because they do not have parasitic loss like a supercharger. This guy is smoking pole.
That limited experience must have been with improperly sized turbos and dumb Honda kids, because the right size turbo for whatever engine it’s on will provide more power everywhere- starting right off idle. Notably more than a supercharger.
I've always preferred superchargers just because of the sound. They rev in sync with the engine, so you end up with a beautiful harmony of engine revs with supercharger whine and it's just the most glorious thing you've ever heard.
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They do sound good indeed. I'm an European so I don't get to hear muscle car v8 that often, but when I do its amazing. Turbo chargers are also very popular in Europe because of evolution of diesel engines, which were the norm back in the day and which made small displacement diesel engines both powerful, with lots of torque, and economical. One of the best examples I can think of is BMW which for a 2.0 turbo diesel could get 60+ mpg while having 184 to 213 hp in 2008. Now it doesn't sound that much, but back then I was impressed.
It sounds like a lot to me. Hardly any vehicles today can get 60mpg and produce 200 horsepower.
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I’m a supercharger fan, mainly for the constant visceral experience from the drivers seat. However I also really like the rush of G’s that comes on when a higher boost turbo set up starts pulling hard. That hot V configuration is sick and having everything right there to work on is so nice. Killer vid man!
It may sound silly, but if you ever get a chance.. drive a supercharged BRZ manual, you’ll never stop laughing.
I much prefer having 500hp with a turbo than 500hp SC because the turbo car will be faster as it’s power increase is free of charge where the SC costs power to make power.
I’m a practicality man.
I’ve just turbocharged a 2005 ZX10R too and there is no lag.
Hot V is is sick, eh? *BMW N63 has entered the chat*
Yeah they're sick til you're blowing up your turbo constantly.
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A SC car rated at 500hp is making 500 after the hp loss...
This channel is literally a heaven for car enthusiasts and people trying to increase their overall knowledge about internal combustion engines. These illustrations with the voice overs give a tremendous clarification of the engine. Keep up the good work brother!
Also check out driving 4 answers. He has more math in the videos and it's just beautiful.
Literally was gonna say check "Driving 4 answers"too lol
@@Eduardo_Espinoza 😉
You should look up the words “literally” and “Heaven”.
Fantastic vid
Great video. Worth noting that the first superchargers used on automobiles were developed by Paul Daimler in the early 1920's. Having previously worked on Roots style compressors for WWI aircraft engines he went on to build World beating race engines for Mercedes, thrashing competitors like Bentley at the Nurburgring etc.
I’m pleased to see this comment. Daimler/Mercedes played a HUGE roll in bringing superchargers to to cars. Personally one of my favorite supercharged engines of all time is AMG’s M113K.
Big props man, no nonsense, easy to listen to videos with heaps of awesome info on screen that goes along with your script, great job!
As a Mopar tech of 23 years, I love your vids. Even though I am already very knowledgeable about the information you present, I still learn tidbits of new info you have taken the time to research and I haven't. Plus you present the info in an entertaining, straightforward and easy to understand format with good editing skills. Keep it up!
Im starting school soon to do a high performance automotive mopar course, as a technician with 23 years in how was your experience?
What do you think of a 2.0 dodge neon with a 5th gen m45 supercharger and e85
The problem with hot Vee turbos is heat management. These engines generates a ton of heat and are hard to keep them cool. BMW's first N63 engine (twin turbo Hot Vee) was a disaster; trust me I had one (2010 550i). There were issues with the turbos coolant/oil lines, burning oil; killing batteries because the fan would run for a long time to cool the turbos. I can say BMW improved the engine with each technical update (TU) such as N63TU1-N63TU4. Over the years, I had a '14 550i, '18 M550i and currently a '21 M5 Comp (uses S63 engine with better internal parts) and had no issues (looking for some wood to knock on)! 😄
Last, going forward ('23 models), BMW will only use their M division new plug in hybrid V8 engine (S68) in all their V8 models (the engine will be detuned to differentiate true M cars versus M performance models.
This guy knows his BMW V8s very well
What’s your profession?
"Z06 heat soak" just came to my mind. still, i get your point, its more of a turbo thing.
N63 are just absolute trash. M60 was great, M62 already had chain guide problems. N62 took that over and also added valve stem seals to the list. N63 took all these problems and added turbo related problems. Seems as if every iteration just gets worse. BMW V8s are made out of glass. Only get an N63 car if its just had a replacement engine or everything has been replaced before the ticking time bomb comes around
My uncle had a 650i one of fhe pistons seized from all the excessive heat I'm assuming. The motor was completely toast
I think it's incredible what Ford has managed to do with the ecoboost series ESPECIALLY on the F-150. Superchargers can definitely get you more power now, but turbos can dramatically increase overall powerplant efficiency.
Actually turbos get more power than superchargers
@@soulsweeper1630but akshually🤓🤓🤓
@@soulsweeper1630Ecoboost is turbo charged
The ecoboost is garbage man. At least for the feel of it.
This Ford is the top dog when it comes to the big American three. Their passenger cars and SUV and nice. GM is only killing it because of the new Corvette and dodge jumped started the new muscle car era.
But the dodge 1500 are kinda cheap looking. GM the king of V8s still sucks at making v8s
Great content! I love how you present the info and compare like for like performance and hp between the supercharged cars vs turbo equipped cars! Thank you!
As a former N63 owner, the hot V definitely needed work when it came out. Regularly cooking the oil in the turbos is a terrible side effect, but as he says, it was easier to work on them being up top.
That engine was so unreliable like any BMW engine that’s not a straight 6, the N54 too 💀
@@louistru8652 I think the N20 motor is pretty good. Underrated anyway.
@@louistru8652I love both my n63 and n54. N54 is less needy but that’s expected
As an N54 owner I can bear witness to the labor intensive component of ownership.
Still. Love the platform
Hot v turbos are improving from what they originally used to be
Gotta remember the biggest thing. You were close to saying it.
V8s make more low end torque than 6 and 4 cylinder engines.
Super chargers give instant torque better for low end power.
Turbos build peak boost later in the rev range better for DOHC high revving engines. Usually v8s aren’t Devine as high. Also V style engines are wider making it harder to fit snails next to the heads. Super chargers sit snug on top of the intake manifold
That's with old turbos newer turbos spin up way faster can make power as low as 2.5-3k rpm.
That kinda goes both ways though, because supercharging the i6's and i4's could help offset their relative lack of Torque. I think its mainly down to the fuel costs in US vs EU, Euro car manufactures focused more on turbos because they knew their customers demanded better fuel efficiency due to the higher cost of gas in EU, not to mention the EU's stricter gas guzzler taxes and so forth, which the US stupidly followed suit with later.
A properly sized turbo can start spooling at 2100 rpm. But then fail on the top end of the rpm. But a twin turbo setup matched correctly has both low and top end.
So, my truck makes peak power at 3,000 rpm, and it is turbo charged. It makes very little power at high RPMs, so that kinda blows your stupid comment out of relevancy, huh?
@@charlieodom9107 damn bro chill we’re all learning
Just discovered your channel. Love the way you thoroughly explain everything in a very understandable & logical format. Good stuff. Keep it coming! Thanks
First timer viewer here; I had to hit subscribe! I really appreciate you sticking to the facts. And providing thorough well researched information. 👍🏾
LOL! You had me dead when you were talking about the power steering pump! Just discovered your channel recently and love the work
Man I’m not one to ever comment on videos but I HAVE to say this.
I agree with everyone else. Your last 5 ,6 videos ?! Are amazing. I binged watched all of them. You’re knowledgeable , articulate very well , and we can all FEEL the passion you have for this shit. Props bro. These videos are gonna take you places you haven’t even realized yet. Wishing you all the love and blessings brother.
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Your channel is awesome. I love that the algo recommended it. If you aren't already, I'd love a video talking about the differences/pros and cons between single, twin, and sequential/compound setups
I've always loved having a built high compression naturally aspirated engine. Something about the drive ability and sound with them even though they don't make as much power after a certain point, they're just way more fun to drive for me.
Same here. That's why I enjoy my M62TU (BMW 5 series)
Drivability is ruined with remarkably high compression, not improved, but sure
@@boost1728 Mine were all completely streetable and daily driven with 13.5-14:1 compression. No issues.
@@evictioncarpentry2628 throttle-sensitive, noisy as hell, lurching at stop lights the list goes on. You have fun with all that. The rest of us will stick with 10:1 and a turbo, make twice as much power as you, be able to put the car in gear and idle through a parking lot without all the nonsense. To each their own. Some people like to show off their slow and obnoxiously loud small block, some people appreciate a comfortable and reliable 1,000hp.
@@boost1728 I have none of those issues, for the second time.
My vehicles run 100% everytime. Everyone of my friends boosted vehicles are constantly broken or having "tune issues", the fact you think 1000hp Boosted is more daily drivable is laughable, so whatever you're smoking in fantasy land, keep on keeping on, jack.
"You know when there's a supercharger under the hood or you're low on power steering fluid" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Touché
I’m glad I found this channel. Easy to understand break-downs and I’m learning more and more. Thanks man!
Check out his TikTok account there’s a lot more too
@@asabennett1153 Does he have Instagram?
Great vid, love them both! Always wanted a 283 small block Chevy supercharged. Currently I have a supercharged old-school big block Mopar. The torque from the get-go is insane. You were spot on my friend. Thanks for sharing your content.
Stumbled upon your channel, and really enjoyed the clear explanations, well done graphics. Keep up the good work!
Dude, excellent video and a great balance of being informative but not overly technical. You've got a new subscriber!
Fun Fact: One of the early prototypes for the BMW N54 was a positive displacement 3.0 Inline 6. They obviously ended up going with a twin turbocharged setup
You mentioned positive displacement in your other comment, what do you mean by positive displacement? because engines tend to not be the best descriptor of that phenomenon.
I have a 535xi with that engine configuration. It rips. But I'll take it down with my naturally aspirated hemi magnum...until the 1st bend of course
@@younkinjames8571 you supercharged an n54?
@@amorag59 I think he meant supercharged, of which a positive displacement supercharger is a type. Roots blowers and twin screws are positive displacement pumps, as opposed to say a centrifugal supercharger which is a dynamic pump.
@@BigUriel great answer.
Excellent presentation of both the technological facts and your well-considered opinions. Looking forward to more videos from you
You're content is outstanding man, your videos never get old!
found you on tik tok....staying cuz of the youtube! great educational pieces
I found him on Instagram
Such good educational vids brotha. Keep ‘em coming, absolutely love them.
Thank you! Your narration was clear and highly detailed without repetition.
This channel needs more recognition. Keep em coming man.
This is an amazing video, thank you for sharing. Look forward to watching more. One thing on hot-v systems not noted is the heigher center of gravity due to the weight of the turbos/etc being moved up higher in the car.
I appreciate your videos, you explain everything well and the examples are different from everyone else that i’ve watched.
Awesome video. This spoke directly to my inner car/ engine geek. Keep up the good work.
Great video, I appreciate the hard work you put in to making these engine breakdown videos, keep it up!
I love the look of the computer generated cars and engines and engine parts. Really really liking this channel. Keep it up! As long as you keep posting videos with awesome footage and those amazing 3d animations I’m gonna hang around!
Love these types of videos! Keep up the awesome work!
I definitely plan on keeping my 1999 SVT Lightning and my 2014 F-150 Ecoboost. Both trucks have 2 completely different personalities. The Lightning will instantly light the tires, pushing me back in the seat and there's the lovely exhaust note and supercharger whine. I actually most times forget that the Ecoboost has forced induction because of its lack of noise from the turbos and its power delivery being very different than that of my Lightning.
Love this series, learn quite a bit of stuff watching these vids in the background while I work
The sheer amount of mechanical knowledge shown in your videos is truly impressive.
The explanation of the inherent differences between the two was clear as day. Don't know why I was never able to get a clear answer for forced induction comparison back then. Thank you for making this video
Greatest voice Ive ever heard doing this work. Keep it up. Simple clean and easy on the ear. 👌
Great content, I'm glad that I found your channel, super informative. man you really deserve 1 million subs.
😭 thanks really appreciate it
The exhaust fluttering sound of twin turbos is super sick though.
im not an expert by any means but aren't those just flutters (i take it you mean the crackles and pops?) intentionally programmed misfires that could occur just as well on any engine setup?
@@hazardeur he’s talking about the blow off valve sound not exhaust sound
@@HondaEnjoyer12 Or a turbo with no blow off valve that just ends up having air go back through it
@@SeeFlow-bo1dl yeah that is true in this case
great videos mate. i especially like how you talk at a normal speed... unlike some other creators that talk so slow i have to speed up the video to x1.25. cheers for that.
I think u should mention that newer higher Cost turbo models have a System where if u shift the air valve opens and lets air pass through the turbo so it won't have a turbo lag anymore and has nearly constant power
I don't know if the European engineers came up with the hot v first, but I've seen that setup in a
v-12 diesel engine and it was for oil field fracking operations which is probably not the only application. It had 4 turbos and I was really having a hard time figuring out the plumbing since it wasn't torn apart. It was an absolute maze of piping lol.
Damn these videos are so addicting! Keep ‘em coming bro
An electric muscle car is not a thing.
I agree
I also agree
Thank You so much! I really love your videos and apprciate all the hard work involved in making them. I like the high quality graphics and commentary. A lot of the time I am thinking about something just before you say it. Your videos are just so enjoyable, informative and involving. So, Thank You once again! Can't say enough!, Well done my friend! And i'm looking forward to many more. 👍👋🙏
Keep it up man!
important thing to note. A supercharger with a pressure bypass that allows n/a performance off and partial throttle only draws as much load as an unloaded alternator
Really good and easy to digest vid. I liked the delivery of info
First time seeing your channel and I liked your content. Keep up the good work.
Just came across your channel yesterday and have to say I've really enjoy it and have watch the whole explained series
Thanks! It’s been very rewarding producing these videos and thanks for the feedback🤙
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I LOVE THESE TYPE OF VIDEOS!!!!!, keep up the good work!!!!!
me 2. who knew engines could be so interesting
That was an EXCELLENT explanation of turbo lag and boost threshold!
Hands down great content, I will say that it was worth the editing.. great video
As was probably already mentioned, twin screws are somewhat rare these days; principally limited to the IHI Hellcat blowers. Pretty much everything else in recent history has been Eaton TVS Roots.
I think the "peak" of internal combustion is only limited by metallurgy. 50 years ago blocks couldn't take nearly any boost. Nowadays you see 20PSI without thinking much of it, upwards of 100+PSI on all out race builds. Maybe one day technology will be good enough, and trickle down cost wise enough, that we can cost-effectively have super-strong engine internals and make massive power. That would only be for dedicated enthusiasts though, no doubt all production cars are going to become electric, I think internal combustion will eventually be left solely to the aftermarket. You still have people that like living their lives without electricity or anything like that... Some people just never change, and there will always be a niche for internal combustion, even if it fades away from the main spotlight.
Well said.
50 years ago nobody made engines with forced induction so there was no reason to fit very strong connecting rods. These engines are turbocharged from factory, naturally the internals are designed to take much more abuse. It's the choice to use boost that has led to manufacturers fitting stronger internals, not the other way around.
You're right in the sense that improvements in metallurgy are part of this but mainly on the turbos side rather than the blocks. It used to be much more difficult to machine a turbo with enough precision that it wasn't unbalanced and now we have superalloys that combine light weight, high strength and high tolerance to temperature. We also have direct injection and advanced engine electronics management to make it all work together, turbos and carburettors don't go very well together.
Idk I mean the grid can't sustain electric cars though
Blocks could take it. The Ford big block 352 loves boost.
The pistons, rods, and head gaskets were not there yet in metallurgy or design to take big power though.
Even today I'm having issues finding anyone that wants to supply forged rods, pistons, and crank so I can see what 40psi in a Ford 352 will do to my galaxies
1962 and 1963 Oldsmobile took the Buick Aluminum 215 v8 and turboed it from the factory
I have watched a lot of your videos I love your explanation of the different engines an it's components your narrative is awesome me being a mechanic myself I could only imagine if had a teacher that explained engine's an components an how they worked I probably would have finished gasoline an Diesal engine repair in 30 days versus years You have the perfect t speaking voice for teaching an educating you have updated me on new tech Thanks for all you do best wishes
Your information,
Your presentation is different from the mainstream.
I love it.
Keep up the good work.
Keep doing what you have been doing.
Keep your originality.
Why not both ?
Cost
You can and people have, but its very expensive and takes a damn lot of tuning plus time
Old Detroit engines have a supercharger and a turbo. The supercharger is only there to blow fresh air.
Too complicated, I think Volvo had made one.
Talk to the Germans about this
I love this series so much.
That would be epic if you collab with Engineering Explained. I love the practical/real world context applied to how these things come to be just as much as I love the hyper technical breakdown. Combining both worlds going back and forth while discussing things would be so much fun.
Man this edit and explanation what so good. Loved it and will be back
Great video! Man i enjoyed it
This man deserves all the subs. Awesome content brother. Absolute LOVE how you lay these videos out. The visuals the accuracy of the facts and details and all in a very easy to digest format. Absolutely brilliant. Here for the long haul my man. Keep um coming.
I love the idea of twincharging setups like Lancia did with the S4. I.e. having both a turbo and a supercharger.
A little crazy for a daily driver though.
Volvo has been making twincharged engines in their T6 and T8 models for the past 6 or 7 years, unfortunately they're quite issue-prone.
Nowadays it's also an overly complicated and unnecessary solution. Modern turbos have a very wide usable range, not like those old turbos that were useless before 3500rpm, plus many cars now have 48V mild hybrid systems which can be used to drive an electric compressor on the turbo.
@@BigUriel Won't stop me from loving them due to the audacity of the fundamental setup. (not to mention that when they work, they really work)
On the note of hybrid designs of any nature. These will not even come into play when I am entertaining the idea of a twincharged mid engine setup like the S4. They are just something else, as in 'does not apply'. To twist a line from history DAMN THE MERITS, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!!. :P
I mean, when they were still in their rally days, Lancia was crazy in general.
@@mistersomaru Modern day Lancia gives so few fucks that "Stratos" means so little to them, they have literally given up any legal claim to the name.
I mean, its better than sitting on that name and doing nothing with it. But still. wtf Lancia. Lancia's likely answer "minivan go putputputput."
Very good run down and comparison, keep it up !
I like your videos because you are super clear and straightforward
Fuck it. Twin charge everything.
Only correct answer. Pros of both, cheap, simple, and great response.
Lancia put that in the s4, supercharger for low revs and turbocharger for high revs.
Haven't seen or heard of it since then, maybe it wasn't cost efficient idk.
As a European, I love supercharged V8 over turbocharged V8
First time seeing one of your videos. These are well done.
I had a feeling I knew this guys’ voice from somewhere !!! Dope as videos bro !!
great video love the content, what i am wondering after watching this if superchargers have these benefits over turbos, how come diesels arent supercharged over turbocharged?
Because diesel have already tons of low end torque
I agree this videos are unique and I look forward to seeing the newest videos in this series. Do one on Subaru motors and why they suck.
There ok, if you baby them and let the oil get up to temp before going anywhere
Bro you be making these things seem so easy to understand. I wanna do a engine swap on my Toyota pickup and I never understood the hot V setup but I get it now.
Man I love your TH-cam channel
One other thing about hybrids is that the electric motor is well suited to give a quick boost and compensate for turbo lag. The two fit really well together (e.g. McLaren P1)
No because hybrids are heavy
@@kingdongo4388 They dont have to be
@@SeeFlow-bo1dl What’s weight is a heavy hybrid to you?
@@kingdongo4388 p1 is 3000lb... a chiron is 4400lb.
With these engine explanations. This is now my favorite automotive channel.
First time. Great video. Very informative thank you.
Just found your channel....I love it✊🏾🤘🏾
A myth was stated at the 3:22 mark that the hot-vee setup resulted in less lag. Whether you mount the turbo near the exhaust ports or the intake ports, either the exhaust gases or the intake air has to go to the other side of the cylinder head. There is no reduction in the length of the total path. Mounting the turbos inboard does not decrease the total length of the intake air plus the exhaust gases. It's a wash.
but it minimize energy lost as heat
I like twin turbos and superchargers
But the sound of rolling anti lag is just second to nothing
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Naturally aspirated with ITB… ❤
@@platano4924 loud and slow, let me guess you drive stick shift
@@-tarificpromo-7196 tell me you were born in the backseat of a tesla without actually telling me that you were born in the backseat of a tesla. Passion for cars has nothing to do with actually going fast or stomping on a single pedal like a zombie. But what do you know, you re 8
One thing you must admit though, is that high performance turbo noises sound pretty damn cool, especially with a blowoff valve and manual transmission. But supercharger whine is so choice.
Great video! Keep it up
It seems to me that supercharging still requires big displacement to make a lot of power. And turbos aren't parasitic to run.
True. I see a lot of Civics with turbo kits. Never seen one with a SC.
@@troypatillo1688 back in the early 2000s there were supercharged civics, namely Jackson Racing, but turbo civics were faster. I have to agree that displacement plays a big role in turbo vs supercharger.
@@troypatillo1688 I have BMW Z4 with supercharger.
Stock makes 231hp & 300Nm mine makes 330hp & 380Nm
@@DuBstep115 I’m not sure if you’ve made any mods on the outside but I’ll bet that’s a hell of a sleeper.
@@PhatMikeSP1 Yep that’s a good point. I’ll have to look up Jackson Racing to see if they have some vids.
Wow first video of yours I've seen. Good work, got to the point quick. Great animations and articulations.
as a self taught mechanic, videos like this are really helping me expand my knowledge. keep it up man! hope you can cover the advantage and disadvantage of an H pattern gear box vs sequential gear box
Sequential being in a specific order more so disadvantage would be not going from 1st to 3rd etc like an H pattern could! Advantages over H pattern less shift time no miss shifts etc! That help any??
@@gcook619 nah I already know that. but need a more in dept explanation
Sequencial are often only designed for racing, and will have features such as straight cut gears (stronger but lots of gear whine), and the ability to slam shift. You can take the pressure off them by blipping the throttle and just mashing the lever forward or backwards to shift.
H pattern is generally able to be shifted fairly quick, but it's hard on the synchros trying to jam gears if you even can at all. You can float the gears without touching the clutch by rev matching but it's way slow.
Great Vid pal 🤙🙏
The fact you don’t have millions of subscribers already is mind blowing to me, you break down everything better than some companies do in their marketing material (350k as of writing is a crime)
Installing turbos are very time consuming in regards to superchargers. At least in my experience
Really really really depends on the setup , and how much bang for your buck your trying to get out of it.
Low on power steering fluid🤣🤣🤣.....that ish hit home😮💨
that was so awesome to watch. Nothing like hearing a supercharger whine!!
Fucking recommendations are fire right now. Awesome content.
I don't think the petrol engins are going to go away let alone quickly like everyone thinks. Fingers crossed I'm right for all our motor head sake.😉😊 what I think may in time give the super charger a run for its money is the electric turbo like Porsche has patented and tinkering with. As the technology grows for that it will be interesting to see how that goes. Because charging and batteries needed to power the electric to spool it. How long can it go how many hits can you get out of a charge. Space saver though because no longer need to hook to exhaust manifold so you can kinda put it where ever it seems. It will be interesting.
Turbos are also very sensitive to temperature so in order for them to be a ✌🏻set it and forget it✌🏻 type situation they have to be dialed back… Also the supercharger is only affected by the intake side of the engine and has amplified effect on the exhaust🤤. Keep all this good stuff coming man!!🤙🏻
None of that makes sense 😂
@@mizaqenyad4269 makes perfect sense your comprehension is just low
What do you mean it's only effected by the intake side? Not sure what you're trying to say there. And what do you mean it has to bs "dialed back"? It seems like you only partially know what you're talking about and you're just making the rest up as you go lol.
@@midnight347 exactly hahah. Like the fuck
@@midnight347 turbos run off exhaust side…superchargers are on the intake… to get max effort out of turbos they take constant tweaking to keep up with temperature swings… superchargers do not. I understand if you don’t get it
Excellent video. Very informative.
Every thing about this is 🔥 go up my guy 🎉