93% Of All Foxbody Mustangs Available Are Like This - Or Worse...
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- This 1987 Ford Fox body Mustang 5.0 LX Hatchback is a perfect example of what you can expect to find if you're buying a Foxbody in 2023 and beyond. Follow along as we right the wrongs of this car and make it an above average Mustang 5.0
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This is the exact reason I haven’t replaced my heater core yet.
If I’m pulling the dash, yanking the seats makes it easier to get around in there. If I pull the seats, I might as well recover them while they’re out. But if I’m recovering the seats, I have to pull the rear also. And while THEY are all out, (and now looking snazzy), I need new carpet. And since I have ALL that new stuff, (and since it’s already out), the dash pad needs replaced….
And so on.
….all for a heater core.
😂😂😂😂
Hahahahaha so true buddy! The rabbit hole 😂
Might as well fix the ash tray door, arm rest pad, E-brake boot and shift boot, can't forget the rubber seal cover for the Trans tunnel...
@@cericj99
Exactly.
Well, I don’t have the problematic ash tray door, (‘86 GT), but yeah.
I stopped the list because it could have gotten really out of hand.
More so than it already did.
I have the interior out so I might as well replace the convertible top. And while the top is stripped, I should paint the top frame. And since the interior is out and the top is off and the frame is off, why not re-spray the car….
😂😂😂😂
I wish this was the average fox. Hell, in my area, sadly the "average fox" is closer to what TIP is calling the Shitbox Fox. Lmfao.
😂😂😂
Testify. I've had mine since 1995 and drive it every summer and it literally looks like the Shitbox Fox. But I love it. Seriously reliable cars, but people stare at me wondering why mine is on the road when it looks like it should be in the scrap yard 😂😂
In my area the average fox needs frame rails and or rear main seals repaired or replaced
😂👌
Shitbox condition but without the shitbox price to match
I had an 85 GT just out of high school 33 years ago. Did several modifications to it. Fast forward to last year and I picked up an 88 trunk 2 owner car. It’s never been moded it’s 100% stock right down to crappy ford headers… and I love it!
That’s awesome!
Man!!! I had a few friends with the The Mac Pro chamber ..it sounded good and was unique back in the day!
Agreed!
Always look forward to your Fox build / upgrades content!!
Thx buddy!
Awesome video
Thx pal!
There was no check engine light on 1987's and 1988's. Other than California for 88...just saying, Nice car!
Incorrect. California sold Mustangs in 1987 also had a functional CEL (as my 87 GT does.) The only thing keeping any non California 87/88 car from having it function is to install the missing light bulb in the instrument cluster. 😎
Oh interesting
The average fox in Michigan will have body rot because people drove these in the winter. 🙄 I have Macs on my 94. Flowmaster is alright but everyone has them and I wanted to be different. Plus they sound a bit better
The average fox in Texas is trashed, hood pins, a few go fast parts, broken or missing interior parts and a huge sound system
i sold my 2011 v6 camaro to hopefully soon get a foxbody i’ve been looking for awhile i really don’t know what’s good and what’s not
My only experience was with my buddy's brothers 1989 fox body LX hatchback 5 speed when they bought it new (the brothers were twins). Back then it seemed like the fastest, most precise car I could have imagined at just 16 years old. I almost hate to drive one again just to not tarnish the memory I have about how great the car was. I have driven several IROC's, back then and since, and to think my friends car whooped their butts is a great memory. It was THE car when I was in high school.
That’s awesome!
87-93 are the greatest Mustangs ever made. Love the T top GT’s the most
The only practical reasons are they were going to road race the car or they had power steering problems and just said get rid of it
you're not wrong about the rose-colored glasses. The rack and pinion steering was better than the cast iron steering boxes from the past, but now there is electronic steering, another step forward. we get into our older cars and sometimes wonder, "what was the allure?" :)
Thats what i want to avoid, lll drop up too 30 k on a good one
All I see are trashed fox’s, or 25k or more for a decent car
That ain't no average fox! The ones around here seem to be hacked up and rednecked to death! I see that no one changed any suspension bushings yet. Still the factory ones in there.
When it comes to changing the rear gears are you doing it yourself? If you are you should do a short how-to.
Excited to see the rest of this series as they come out.
Yeah this seems to be a common trend that folks are saying 🤷♂️. Yes, control arms and bushings are stock. Yes I’ll be doing the gears and will be doing as much of a “how to” as I can while up to my arm pits in gear oil 😂
Would love for you to review my car. 1987 fox coupe. Used to be a 4 cylinder. Now has all new suspension, new blue print 302, new trans. Newer paint. The guy I bought it from spent more than 25k on this car
Sounds awesome!
I really like fixing all of the little things on a car (loose parts, align panels, cleaning etc), and get everything working. That will definitely make a car run, drive and feel totally different. The $100 spent for an hour on the hoist before you buy a car can either make you want to either disregard it, give you some bargaining power, or make you feel even better about your potential purchase. Can't wait to see you work your magic on it!!!
Well said buddy! Thank you 🙏
I picked up a 79 fox coupe in decent shape.
The biggest proplem is you fix a little here and there than all of sudden its stripped and getting ready for paint.
So it gets out hand quick.
I took my bumper cover off that turned into full resto mod.
Got a question I just bought 89 gt fox and the previous owner removed the AC and heat is it difficult to put all back into working order?
No it’s not bad at all 👍
I like that car. Much better than the average in Maryland. The cam from Flowtech raised my eyebrows. I just know Flowtech as a low cost header brand owned by Holley. Maybe a good brand cam when the heads are done might be a good idea.
Average? Not I’m my area either, we have the old clapped out drifted, “I know what I got!” cars😂
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Ive owned my 89 Lx since 95. It looks clapped out. (i'm not a body guy and paint in 89 from ford sucked!) But It's the average .040 302, HCI, gears, exhaust, etc... Old skool build tho. Comp cam, Canfield 192cc heads, and GT40 Intakes. I didn't even know Flowtech made cams! Their headers back in the day weren't great..
Me and my nephew actually found a 91 fox body ultra blue grey first owner from a elderly lady that bought it brand new off the lot With 450 miles on it she had the car for 30 years and she only managed to put 53,000 miles on the vehicle It’s literally brand new she managed to keep it in the garage with tarps it’s just a amazing thing to Find so we bought it off her and we haven’t done anything to the vehicle Sense
That’s weird I just got a 91 vert with 54 thousand on it I think I’m going to start posting some progress on my build
Good finds!!!
WOW!
@@D.MacSays WOW!
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Out of curiosity, I have a '93 LX 5.0 hatchback, no body damage, 59,000 original miles. All factory, no repaint. No mods except for a/c conversion. What are your thoughts?
Id send you a picture, but I don't know how...
Sounds like a great car! Send me an email. Its listed in my "About" page on TH-cam
That fox is well above average in Kentucky.😬
really? interesting...
Does Gearhead704 still have a TH-cam channel?
Yup
So it's the "Average Fox" but is it Cookie Cutter? Lol. Great video brother!
🤣🤣🤣 thanks pal!
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Great vid!
Nice!!!
So what’s the “average fox” worth? 8k cdn?
The best answer I can give you is: “it depends.” I’d say average money is $8-12
Good video Brother! Great advice about having a baseline or establishing a budget before you get started on a project! All in All it's a good Fox! 💯👊🏾
Thx buddy!!!
This guy, why would anyone remove the power steering pump? four minutes later, we’re removing the drums and adding disc brakes in the rear. Why? Are you planning on putting this car on a race circuit?
I have owned my 88 Gt since day one. 102,000 kms. I wanted to get it repainted and add a/c and a few other things. Wicked Garage from Rockland owned by Daniel Scott aka cockroach ripped me off along with 15 other guys. Lost my engine and tranny and everything under the hood. 😢
One of my neighbors has one in the back yard...POOR BABY! It's the exact color scheme I wanted when I was 18! I didn't get it(sad story)! I may still go for it!
That car is a asking 3k and sold for 2300 back in 1998. Thats the biggest issue for me at 49 years of age and a fox body owner x3
My 90 lx 5speed convert. Sadly needs total restoration, new top new interior some body work, missing half the exuast fell off while moving,ect. But i every once in while throw a batt. In her and fire it up and day dream about her all dolled up right.❤😢
O2 sensors unplugged hmmm. Bought my 91 convertible in the winter when the air temperature did not get above freezing for a week. Unusual to find a deal this time of year on a convertible. Well the reason for selling was the car overheated while driving when the air temp went up! It was fine sitting still but not driving. Looking for the cause I noticed the fan had been changed out to one of those aluminum flex fans. Knowing these engines have reverse rotation fans I felt around and yep the air was blowing the wrong way! Didn't overheat when parked. Put the factory stuff back on and all good.
LOL thats amazing
My 02 sensors have been unplugged or gone for the last 7 years. I bought it like that.
Have you ever run the FLOWMASTER SUPER 10's?
No I haven't but always wondered...
@@KASLCustoms I want to try them!
Average 😂the ones I find are worse than that
😂
Man, that car is making me nauseous just thinking about how terrible it drives...I had these cars back in the day when they were new and it's not like they were amazing then, they were cheap and fun but honestly pretty crappy cars overall...most of them have not aged well and look, drive, perform like absolute sht...the only Fox Mustangs I would even consider owning now are super low mile(and at least 90% stock, preferably unmodified) LX 5.0 coupes, a 1989-1993 Saleen, or a 1993 Cobra but even though I can afford the $40k-$50k-$60k and up prices those cars brings they just are seriously not worth it to me. I'd much rather spend that same money and have a 2003-2004 Cobra, a 2002-2004 Saleen, or a 2005-2008 Saleen or a 2011-2012 GT500.
Looks like it can use a mini starter setup too. Easy upgrade to make life easier on the battery.
true!
Great Fox Mustang tour video. But if that's an "Average Fox". Mine is a "Roach" 😆. But really. Super enjoyed the video. You are dead on, on how to go about a build.
Hahahahahah! Thx buddy 🤜🤛
Wait are those BC plates on that car have I noticed this before where are you brother?
Yessir they are. Okanagan
@@KASLCustoms well, we need to chat then you wouldn’t happen to be the guy going to get the SVO in Penticton and beating me to it would you lol I’m not far from you that’s just say right by Rust Valley. Cheers.
@@CoastalAutoReactionCAR No kidding? Yes we absolutely should catch up! My email is listed in my "About" page on TH-cam. No sir, thats not me? I hadn't heard of an SVO for sale...?
@@KASLCustoms I will be in touch my friend. We’re heading south here on Sunday to pick up an 85 SVO I just bought.
@@CoastalAutoReactionCARSounds good my friend. Good luck and I look forward to chatting!
My friend…that is not the average fox, it will vary from state to state and definitely country’s …. Ask Infamous about the clapped out garbage we have here for 15 Plus K
I want that three wheeler!
LOL not for sale 😉
4.10s!!! Dont fear the gear!!
😂
Gawd, every time I watch your videos, I reminisce about my 93 Reef Blue notch. I had the Mac Pro Chamber h pipe and Flowmaster 40s and it sounded mean. Also spent around 7k back in the day to do the top end of the motor. Had a Comp Cams E303 cam put in her. Man I miss that car 💔 great video and look forward to more!! 🤘😷🤘
Hahahaha thanks buddy!
I still have my reef blue LX 5.0L 5 speed notch. Original owner. 100% stock.
Ontario Canada is a joke with these foxbodys and prices. Rustangs.
I don’t understand what are u expecting a new car fox are getting old buddy lol u want new looking car go to dealer.
Just my 2 cents....it already has a manual rack. Do the electric power steering upgrade! No hoses, no fluids ,cleaner engine compartment and no parasitic power loss. All wins in my opinion. Power steering without the noisy Ford power steering pump. And the rack can remain. No alignment due to replacing the rack as well. Great project car 👍
I like the idea
Yesterday l was thinking while driving my S550, l know they made a ton of Fox's back in the day. I wondered why l never see these cars on the street?
yes they are getting few and far between
Bruh this isn’t close to the average foxbody that’s clean af
That’s way above average for the foxes is my area. Awesome car
No kidding!? Thx buddy
So maybe some perspective from my seat as someone who recently installed a manual rack (FR) in my 91 lx vert 5.0. OE rack was shot replacements in my area are all reproductions and you take a gamble with the seals leaking over time in those. For me, it is less maintenance, cleaner in the engine bay, adds clearance, and frees a little weight. Yes power steering would be ‘easier’ to live with in my experience but the manual rack isn’t that bad. Obviously only at low speed really. Wouldn’t let my lady drive it but it keeps me in shape. This is on a weekend car. Plans to eventually add an EPS module since it’s been done by plenty in the past. Maybe that was the idea here. Just a thought!
Yes all good points. My hang up is the car is a bear to maneuver - even at speed… if it had skinny tires up front it might be slightly easier but even with a 245 it’s not a car I would just throw the keys to anyone…
My 89 was noticeably down on power for a trickflow top end kit when I got it . The previous owner had the wrong plugs in it. The timing was way to high. tune was all wrong. Same when I got my 2nd gen camaro. Timing off, wrong plugs again.
Yessir, so often it’s just the little stuff
I miss my 93 hatchback 5.0. A friend of mine has one that hes talked about selling. Recently he told me he's been wanting an SN95 cobra which is what I currently have so I might or might not do a trade. I like my cobra but I do miss the torque of an old school pushrod 5.0.
That’s a tough one…
The 3 wheeler def got my attention. Appears mint!
About that lean on the car...my fox was bought new by my dad and just driven for years. No mods. Anyway... Why he never looked into it I don't know, but since day 1 from the lot new in '90, it's had that same lean to the left....Ive acquired the car and I want it fixed. I remember asking him many times even in my teens what was up with it when it was new!😂 Now I'm in my 40s. What's up with a lean like that from the factory??❓
That’s odd for sure! In this cars case, I’m thinking it’s control arm bushings
I wish I purchased the Mac exhaust before they were unavailable. I always thought flowmaster was the best and I do love them but when I hear the macs I regret my decision
Me too!
Man most of the average foxes i get my hands on are soo much worse than this, granted im breaking them down, but youd hate to see some of the tom foolery i see that's done to these cars. Absolutely delapitated harnesses and custom mods that really make you say wtf!? But you may want to add a bump steer kit to the parts list, those tie rods were aiming pretty high lol
Wow no kidding!? Hahaha yup that is definitely on the list 😂👌
Great Video Gary, yeah I am with a few other guys on here as far as defining "Average" yes it's average if your are looking at The Okanagan or lower mainland. Here in Southern Alberta that would be above average for sure.
Thanks buddy! Interesting- maybe my bar is just set too high 😂
Nice look fox for sure . I have 94/95 GT axle brackets from ford new , just mocked up only , for gt disc . If interested let me know .
Ok sounds good! Thx buddy
I answered my own thought about Flowtech. It might be a custom cam from Flow Tech Induction. In that case will be a good cam. I bought a ported Systemax intake from him but it isn’t installed yet.
I don’t know any of the details on this one buddy. Sorry
Hey Buddy, family first, can’t wait to see what you do to this average Fox and thanks for the honorable mention! 🦊
Amen brother!!! Yessir 🫡
Every fox I ever had leaned to the driver side . I cut half a coil on passenger side to even it out on my current 86 mustang.
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Rear bushings are probably toast causing that lean. All in all though the car is a great foundation for a build.
Agreed!
Very nice.
Waaaay above average for way down here in the middle. 👍👍😎
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my 90 lx 5.0 stick hatch is 95 percent original i love it and the motor is stock...unfortuanaly im so poor i have to take the tag and insurance off it for a while guess ill put a dry out damp rid in there and a car cover and hope to visit it again within a years meanwhile she sleeps....under the lean too in florida...
Too bad 😢
At least you have it for the future.
Don't get desperate enough to sell it, you'll never forgive yourself. 👍👍😎
What’s the number on your average fox? When I hear average, it’s the majority of the cars for sale.
In my area that’s nowhere close to the average fox, it’s leaps and bounds above it.🤙🏼👍🏼
This car falls in the $10-15k range. Wow really? Maybe “average” changes depending on where you are…?
Thanks sir!👍🏼that clears up the term average fox😁
Great potential, nice car.
You betcha! Yeah she’s definitely got potential 👌
Garage Queens 💥🔥💥💙💥🔥💥
Wow them Mac flow paths sound nice !🦊🔥👍💪
Yeah buddy!
I will be following all of your updates on this car, especially the steering rack.
Stay tuned!
That’s actually a real clean hatch
Need a video of the 3 wheel death machine! Now that brings back memories of my teen years!!
😂👌
@@KASLCustoms that exhaust is the same as mine. MAC off-road h-pipe and cat back exhaust. I have the MAC h-pipe not the prochambers.
Great video brother! I honestly enjoyed it 👍🏻💪🏻🦊
Thank you!!
Right? Do you brush your hair before or after you put your hat on? Right?
*backwards*
Dude I'm digging the 85 big red 250! Is that yours? I'm looking for another one...😉
It’s super cool! No it’s not, it’s in for a few repairs
Ahh got it👍
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Mac is the god of all mustang exhaust!!! ❤
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way above average.......20% of FB may be like this........
how much did you pay for this? I'd be willing to match+ and come get it RN.
Great video, looking forward to this build
Thank you!
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I was going to comment on that earlier.
Lol
😂🤜🤛
That's definitely above average condition. Maybe average mods.
Interesting take on it. I guess this theory I’m running with is very subjective 🤷♂️
@@KASLCustoms most of the fox bodies around here are rotted junk.
Looks like pretty solid starting point. The manual rack is a weird mod since it doesn't look like they were going in a hardcore drag race direction with this car. Love those MAC mufflers. You know I'm biased towards those!
Yessir! Yeah the rack is super odd…? It’s not fun to drive at all. And Mac for the win!!!
the secret back then was the first few years of the Fox had a power steering delete, and you could hunt the junkyards for an OEM manual rack. someone posted someplace that Summit (i think) had a cheaper price on FL manual racks because they'd bought up in bulk.
Door jam sticker code M = 2:73, Z = 3:08. Any old school fox owner remembers a few staples like firing order and gearing codes lol
What do you think the lean is from on the fox?
Too many solo chick cruising trips 😉🤣
The car is better than I expected. Not very rusted which is extremely important. An interesting choice of a steering wheel. It looks like a 1984 to 1986 mustang wheel and, while it looked good on the 4 eyes, just seems out of place here.
Nice car, great start can’t wait to watch the progression.
Thx buddy!
Mine is below average then! Lol!
😂😂😂👌
Pro chambers were notorious for scraping holes through the bottom on lowered cars. It may have been replaced at some point.
Still own my 1985 LX 5.0 5spd notch I ordered new. Was the first year for the GT/HO package on the bare bones LX. Paid 9500 for it new and now 69 yrs. old and still enjoy!
That’s awesome!
MAC exhaust was by far the best for a fox. Great video. Maybe I should take my fox for a long drive to meet you! You can do an inspection on mine and see if you consider it an average exhaust.
Anytime 👍
I have a fox project build I just got, it’s a stripped roller 1985 T-Top coupe with capri fenders! She has a rusty floor pan but gonna replace it and put 87 dash and seats in it from a donor roller gt and a 89-93 5.0 roller setup with a t-5 and then paint and body work!! Gonna paint it the original white👍🏻👍🏻
The car also has some cool
Old school parts on it like CGS chassis round subframe connectors and south side engineering lower rear control arms!
Very cool!
Great video 👍 I do scratch my head at the mods done to some of these, all due respect to the owner who did them. Having read MM&FF from the early 90s to the mid 2000s among many other mags...I always assumed the progression was the 10 minute tune up, then other basics like good frame connectors, rear gears, a good shifter and exhaust. Obviously a person can do whatever they want but I don't think I've ever seen one with stock 3.08 gears, no frame connectors but fancy seats,a cam and Cobra intake swap. Just my humble opinion and thoughts 🤘
i have one of their issues explaining the 20 things not to do to your Fox, while the two front cover cars had 'em (like lowering too much). i agree, a Fox with a manual steering rack isn't really "average" unless it's been gutting for the race track. or maybe it's a "regional" thing.
@alertgasper 🤣Funny that you mentioned 2 mods I have that aren't average... lowered too much and a manual rack. It is just a no interior weekend toy though. You can do whatever you want with these cars, they made millions of them and are worthless on the market unless it's a Saleen or special model like 93 Cobra or some such.
@@danfriesen4417 i agree with you except on the "worthless" point. compared to other Foxbodies (t birds, fairmonts, etc) they'll bring in a pretty penny unless you know where to look (like, for example, a local track where notch mustangs race with the OHC 4 banger. they're stripped down, but for the person who wants a stripped car with a cage looking to LS swap, or who wants a slick looking notch with smoked head-and-tailights and a custom interior, it may be an affordable beginning).
but yeah, these things can be either a drag queen or a roundy-race king. that power-to-weight ratio is great, and the suspension design is still useful, even though it was meant for the Fairmont. better than buying an older mustang and trying to ditch the entire rear leaf springs from the era of horse drawn carriages to put in a custom 4 link or IRS. The foxes will take an OEM IRS from cobras or SC thunderbirds without too much fussin' and fabricatin'.
@alertgasper I hear ya, I mean..they are worth more than the other fox platform cars. And the power to weight is nice when you start adding a bit of power. Mine is 2700 lbs no driver and makes the 300 hp feel like 500 in a heavy car. I'll need lighter wheels, aluminum heads and a Tubular K member to get closer to 2500 pounds
@@danfriesen4417 we may never again have 4 wheeled passenger cars that light, with all the push for safety equipment and the customers' desires to have all their techno goodies. the less weight, the less money to spend on braking, handling, and performance. and as you know, the aluminum heads and tube K only help the car. the better a cylinder head flows, the less boost is needed to make a particular power number from the engine, and that can help one run on pump gas so the mustang is cheaper to operate. the K member can shift the wheelbase an inch longer, or can use an even better front suspension design or make space for an engine swap, so they aren't necessary evils but benefits.
Gary, how do you find the podcast that you and Infamous do?
Hey buddy! If you go on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and search: “Rollin in my 5.0” you will find it 🍻
@@KASLCustoms Thank you sir!
Thank you!!! I hope you enjoy it 🍻
@@KASLCustoms For sure! You guys are my favorites for foxbody content. I’ve been looking for one.
Awesome! Thanks buddy!!
What was the initial purchase price for this average fox?
pretty sure like 8-13K
The goat! My favorite Canadian
Hahahaha thx buddy!!! 🍻