Thank you,Dr.Evans for reminding us all that we as believers have a righteous standard that we are accountable for living up to! Bless you in your rest and restoration.
And that standard my sister, is to Go out into all the world and teach the gospel of JesusChrist. Jesus and his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; Jesus and his disciples were the church of God.
Stop worshipping a false "pastor" who hid his sin for years. He is not honorable. He admitted his secretive sin when he feared being exposed. Evans has $15 million and wants to keep his job to remain a millionaire, preaching about a homeless man named Jesus.
@@user-Dayvid1 *Verses* _Another sleepy Sunday, safe within the walls_ _Outside a dying world in desperation calls_ _But no-one hears the cries, or knows what they're about_ _The doors are locked within, or is it from, without..._ *Chorus* _Looking through rose colored stained glass windows_ _Never allowing the world to come in_ _Seeing no evil and feeling no pain_ _Making the light as it comes from within, so dim..._ *Verses* _Out on the doorstep lay the masses in decay_ _Ignore them long enough, maybe they'll go away_ _When you have so much you think, you have so much to lose_ _You think you have no lack, when you're really destitute_ *Repeat Chorus* *A song by Petra* "Rose Colored Stained Glass Windows"
The statement he gave when he stepped down was sufficient for the "world/Internet/outsiders", however, he owes his (previous) flock a deeper explanation. My church just went through this. The session brought forth the charges against the head pastor in a congregational meeting. The head pastor resigned and still had to answer the to the Presbytery. Currently he is being treated as a unbeliever until he repents.
And that's the Mac and cheese life; loving which is not: do you worship man, or God? because JesusChrist and his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; Jesus and his disciples were the church of God.
But my brother, many of them worship buildings have a covenant, what about the covenant that we have with Almighty God to go out into all the world, Matthew 28:19-20? Jesus and his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; Jesus and his disciples were the church of God.
@@user-Dayvid1 what do your ramblings have to do with my comment? Relax, take a deep breath, type complete and coherent sentences, then proofread your gobbledygook, correct it, and hit send.
@@living_the_mac_and_cheese_life Yes, I was saying JesusChrist nor his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; they were the church of God. When Jesus came into the world, he was the church of God, in flesh and blood; and the whole world knows not what they are worshipping, starting with you.
Concerning Tony Evans, it's not "what sin was committed" that's the issue for me it's the "why publicly repent now after so many years?" The timing is OFF. Also, WHO caused him to repent? I ask, because let's be serious, the WHO makes a difference. If he says he was convicted by the Holy Spirit, most would say "praise God, He's a man of God." BUT if he says he was confronted about it, you know good and well that might be a problem. Most would think "his judgment is off"..."is he qualified to pastor if he isn't convicted about sin in his life?"...etc. Also, while I don't care to know the sin, I've had my pastor exercise church discipline and the elders told us what the sin was and they made sure to tell the congregation that they exposed the sin to cut down on gossip. Guess what? It did just that and we loved the man of God and prayed for his healing! Simple. It seems to me, pastors and congregants don't understand that the office of pastor/teacher/elder/overseer is one with strict criteria and an office where all eyes are on you. YES people are going to hold you to a higher standard. It's human nature. James said in James 3:1, "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." Paul said to Timothy in 1 Timothy 3:1, "Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task." You will be held to a higher standard because of the weightiness of the title of "pastor/teacher/elder/overseer." My question to pastors is are you prepared for that?? Pastors shouldn't put on a show for people, but hey, God's standards are good, but they are high.....everyone is not built for that.
One more thing, many youtubers (especially the ones who are pastors themselves) are rebuking commenters for "being judgmental" but no one is talking about how as a pastor: (1) it's a noble position/job title (1 Tim 3:1), (2) pastors will be judged more harshly (James 3:1), AND (3) most current pastors are being PAID to pastor....so yea it's in a pastor's job description as outlined in 1 Timothy 3 to be a man of good character. A pastor who sins on the job IS NOT the same as a Christian who sinned while working a non-pastoral job really. Yes, pastors deserve grace and restoration but its not some horrible thing that people hold pastors in high regard and have high expectations of them. It comes with the title!
@@tic8259 Of course they will and MUST be held to a higher standard. Our Lord Jesus said "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more" Luke 12:48. That is just how things are and you are also right with respect to the timing. Why did it took YEARS for him to receive this kind of conviction for 'sin' committed back then? Off indeed the timing is.
@@aliciamcdonald7105 Agreed. But I don't think many know that because they don't read their Bibles! Church leaders are held to a higher standard because they have greater influence than most and can sway people. Also, was that a nod to Yoda? Lol.....all in all it's sad. And these moral failures are happening too frequently nowadays compared to the past.
@@tic8259WHAT? Wanna come AGAIN…they have taken the black church AND BLACK IMAGE and did what the hel they wanted to do with it and you think that’s a high standard. Well not all would agree…WITH YOU
No human is above sin 😥 we are all are subject to fall... keep praying saints, the sin battle is over when we turn in this body of death for the glorified body awaiting us in heaven
People who believe in "ism's" add them to the Bible- Not Good. Then they try to explain Bible verses with their "ism's" added- Not Good. One example is *calvinism,* a doctrine created about 1,500 years after the the Bible was completed. God Bless *2 Peter 3:18*
really? How can you be so sure? Jesus could not save himself from the cross. He could defend himself when people stripped him naked. So for me it's impossible human like that could save your sins. That person was so weak. He could not save anyone even for himself.
@@petrukasgar6187 1 Corinthians 1:18-19 (ESV) 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
@@petrukasgar6187 I am saying that they are Holy, would you like to laugh at me too, let's test the scriptures and see, it's your move, I like to stand in line to be slapped too please don't pass me by
Be a Restorer Galatians 6:1 Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.
Well I believe that since JesusChrist nor his disciples ever bought a building and called it a church, that the spiritual leaders of this world are come from another spirit, and people follow another gospel which is not another gospel, but the are certainly many that trouble humankind, who walk not after the spirit, but after the flesh.
@@lamarpfleger4108My brother, building worships period, violates Almighty God in JesusChrist, commands. Because it stops people from Going out into all the world, one is under the authority of Satan, no matter what day it is. JesusChrist came and showed us how to live a life to God the Father, Jesus and his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; because the church of God was him and his disciples, which believed on him, and God added on daily such people who believed in JesusChrist! Today, people have been fooled, tricked, lied to; who said JesusChrist was in a building? What is this building worship, and who them people in the world think they worshipping? Many say they want to go to heaven, but are disobedient unto the sayings of God in JesusChrist.
It does not say the elect will be fooled. It says that the deception will be so great that IF IT WAS POSSIBLE the elect could be fooled. But, since it is God that keeps us from the evil one, it isn't possible. Don't you believe the Gospel that proclaims whoever believes HAS eternal life?
Why are we having different weights and measures for Tony Evans? So we going to go soft and give grace to Tony Evans that we don’t give to other pastors that have been judged on this show. Should not all pastors who have failed be given the same “cover” and patience for judgment as is given to Tony Evans? I have not seen this podcast “spin it like this” before.
@@karlinwilliamson9329oh thank you for the insights. I was never aware he blasphemed the Holy Spirit, that is another dimension to the sin of church ministers we are seeing in recent time. That is heretical and as dangerous as any moral failure
@spiritualdiscovery8320 that person lied...I saw the TH-cam video claiming blasphemy...out of context and untrue...R.c Sproul who was there during the discussion would have said something
I don't know, nor do I want to know what Dr Evans did, but if he is so strongly convicted to step down, then that is what he ought to do, even of it's only for a short time. We need to pray for him, his family and his church.
@bethfollowersofChrist, I will too. Even Tony Evans, people still do not know why he stepped back. Whatever, the reason he stepped back, I applaud him for his action. These nosey people who are speaking negativities about Tony are guilty of a lot of dirt themselves that's why they are thinking the worst about him.
I agree that we should pray for church leaders.I also pray that some of these so-called leaders gets saved. There's hundreds,maybe thousands that are self-decieved,thinking they're saved and might not be.
It is stated in the Bible that our God is a jealous God. And he won’t let anyone receive too much praise outside of Himself. The more a person is honored and looked up to, the more likely that person will be shown to be imperfect, either directly by their own hand, deceitfulness from the devil, or by the hand of God, himself. God does not want us to put people on pedestals because this will be the gateway the devil will use to mislead the multitudes. If we put a person on a pedestal, God will allow that person’s imperfection to be seen. This event serves as a warning to ALL of us. We must be forgiving and understanding, while at the same time refrain ourselves from idle worship.
You cannot have it both ways. It's easy to make videos criticizing other people but when it comes to your favorites, you want to make excuses. Your favorites are not exempt from being judged.
I think this was off base. Corey didn’t make excuses for anyone and brought up others to make a point about which I don’t disagree with all of what he was getting at. I also appreciated that he was open about being a former member of this church
This video did give off that vibe. 🤷🏾♀️. I mentioned in a comment earlier that Evan's congregation is owed a more detailed explanation. The pastor at my church was recently stripped of his title and is being treated as an unbeliever until he repents. We had congregational meetings to inform us of the charges. He is no longer able to teach even if he repents because he is no longer above reproach.
Tony Evans has been a blessing to me, I pray and hope he takes his position again, we as Christians should not run,straight to TH-cam, or Facebook to try to ruin a man of GOD, be careful that we don't become a instrument of the devil
1cor.2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men,but in the power of God..The shaking of the pulpits is not just about Pastors,but the congregation. Sometimes some of these people lift up Pastors more than they lift up Jesus Christ our savior.
Evans saying his sinn was years ago didn't alarm me. What's alarming to me is how these people on social media are claiming the PUBLIC doesn't have a right to know Evans' Hidden Sin.
The fact that ppl think of someone as being a good pastor doesn't mean they are preaching or practicing the truth. Ppl are often too fooled by someone's eloquence and confuse that as them being good pastors. Paul said that he come to anybody with excellent speaking skills. Many "Christians" today would be sooner fooled by the false ministers in the 1st century because they came speaking eloquently and in a captivating matter.
I noticed when he announced marriage it was very tense my thoughts something was going on with the new wife before his wife died but we will probably never know praying for him and family LIFE has so many ups downs God Bless him
How many of us are willing to reveal any of our sins to the world?“Let he without sin cast the first stone.” As far as I know, there was only one perfect man and that was Jesus Christ. Dr. Evans has served and taught for 38 years. Lets pray for him and extend the grace that we would want extended to us.
Pastors are accountable to a higher authority than their church board , the heads of their religious organization, and even their congregation members. Just like the rest of. I believe Tony Evans did what he felt was right in his heart. Pray for him, not condemn him!
I share your thoughts. Imagine if he feels convicted on certain untoward bodily contact with his new wife during their courting period and now was convicted he went too far or violated his own moral standards. That is a personal issue btw him and God , doesn't need any public confession on that
I live in Seattle I listen to Dr Evans almost every Sunday. He Preached a sermon on women Pastors he does not believe in Women Pastors . He feels a Church is out of order who has women Pastors. A thorough message. Pastor MacArthur has a good Sermon concerning Women Pastors
Let’s talk… 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. How does that square with Debra and Barak and Aquila/Pricilla and Apollos. Which Paul did not condemn. Then there’s the “But I…” in 1 Timothy 2:12 that seems to imply that this is from Paul and not God. There appears to be more that needs to be revealed on the matter. But does it really matter!? Quite frankly since my life depends on it, I don’t care what gender teaches me to live the Truth of the Word.
So why is Priscilla his daughter in the pulpit? Oh so it's do as I say and not as I do huh? This is 2024, the year God is exposing ALL of us for being fakes and liars.
I love your comment at the 10 minute mark. Reformers tend to do that. Which as a reformed person it’s ironic, because we accuse listeners of prosperity gospel preachers of that. Turning a blind eye when their pastor does something. My thing is, we’re quick to judge Tony Evans but overlook the fact that John MacArthur has a standard that elders are not fit to be in leadership position if their children are in sin. He sat an associate pastor down because his daughter got pregnant out of wedlock and called that man a disgrace. And yet Johnny Mac’s son bamboozled people for millions of dollars and got busted for it… nobody bats an eye. According to MacArthur’s standards, he’s not fit to be in pastoral ministry. Don’t get me wrong I love Johnny Mac and he’s a faithful Bible teacher, but let’s keep that same energy all across the board. And those people won’t acknowledge that Tony Evans took the necessary biblical steps to step down from ministry.
No way he sat a pastor for their child’s sin??? I’ve never heard of that before! I’m only aware of the lady which her husband’s abuse was indeed a fact. Now this one, that goes to show that he thinks too highly of himself which is concerning. Just like you said he should hold himself to his own standard of discipline. I mean of course if he claims that the pastor was approving of their daughter’s sexual immoral lifestyle.
IMO, I believe reformers will use this isolated situation to DISCREDIT , and “disqualify” tony evans entire ministry. It’s like “yep we got ‘em, he’s not so “perfect after all”. Whole time they have unloving , unforgiving, merciless hearts. A lot of their hearts motivation is wrong. It’s not love and wanting to help someone who has stumbled, but rather let’s go around fault finding! It’s being shown right now , and how their camp is wanting to talk about him like a dog. They are so critical. Nothing wrong with us thinking biblically (obviously) and using critical thinking. But we must be careful, because it can lead you to looking at others, not even recognizing you have a gang load of hidden sin in your heart (pride self righteousness, arrogance). I think reformers have a great deal of self righteousness. The problem is they either are unable to see their own problem (sin). Or they know, and try to hide it behind “being faithful” to the word. Their understanding of the Bible also doesn’t leave any room for God to move in a way that doesn’t fit their box. But it will be hidden behind “we’re holding to the text”. No your a legalist. The Pharisees knew the Bible back and forth, yet they missed its true meaning and they missed Christ every time…. These people tend to be very joyless as well, thinking the more stoic they are, the more serious they are about Christ. They can’t stand the happiness of other believers. They can’t rejoice with others. This comes from God? No. But what I find with them as well, is they have tons of hypocrisy. It’s okay for them to post and say and do things, but if they don’t “qualify “ you, you can’t do what they do.
@@Loveispatient76 I think that’s an absolute statement that’s not totally true. There are reformers like that. “Cage stage Christians” as the Calvinists would call it lol. But all Christians fall under this category.
Why ask him, he turneth away His ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination (Prov.28v9) He eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil! Beware
It is commendable, of him. Our aim is to pursue pleasing God; even when we do faultier, along the way…we are to repent to be restored in Him; therefore to continue, uprightly, in this way of Christ. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I don't really care, it took a real man , a real pastor a real leader to admit that his heart didn't line up with God's heart, I love him still., we need more people that want to be accountable, God bless him and I pray for his restoration and his healing.
We need to remember to take the beam out of our own eyes before fiddlin' with the splinter in others in most situations, unless outright heresy or disobedience to clearly outlined biblical boundries.
Dr. Tony Evans did the right thing, even when it happened years later, unlike John MacArthur who got caught on camera treating Eileen Grey horribly and then played the victim to his congregation and said he was being persecuted! He wouldn't even apologize!
I Literally was thinking the same thing about the John MacArthur. However, we know they won’t let us bring that up. But if it’s anyone else , they are ready to disown them so fast.
Evan's congregation deserves a deeper explanation than a blanket media statement. I hope he had a congregational meeting to do so. My church, which *IS* reformed has stripped our lead pastor of his title and is currently treating as an unbeliever until he repents. He is to never be able to teach because he is no longer above reproach. We as a congregation know the charges against the pastor.
The right thing was to tell the people that Jesus or his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; because they were the church of God, just as they were. People need to read and reconsider what the gospels are saying.
@@LisaSmith-xz9jq Psalm 115:4, their idols are silver and gold, the world of men's hands. Talking about the heathen or the non believer, in Verse 2. 1 Chronicles 17:5, I have not dwelt, remained, or lived, in a house, a temple, a synagogue, a building, or a church, since I brought up Israel ( from the house of bondage, slavery) unto this day, today, but have went from tent to tent... James 1:27, Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is To visit the fatherless and widows in their afflictions and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. Not Christianity, not Hebrew Israelite, not first church of God, not true holiness, not church of God in Christ, not Jehovah's witnesses, Jehovah Tsidkenu in JesusChrist. None of these man made religions in this world, JesusChrist from heaven, and he brought down from heaven with him what they worship up there; Satan tricked the whole world, and made these things down here through man.
I have nothing insightful to say against Pastor Evans' biblical qualifications as an overseer because I'm not familiar with his ministry or the details of this situation, but I agree with your statement. God told us exactly what He deems we need to know concerning salvation. Certainly, there are truths not expressly revealed in scripture that we can reasonably believe based on principles found in other scripture. But if the Holy Scriptures are completely silent in some area, we need to submit to that silence instead of teaching our educated guesses as doctrine.
I dont know your doctrine but i appreciate your spirit on this subject. You seem well balanced on this and not falling into the gossip spirit we call "news" etcs.
Your question on stepping down - why? I don’t think he should step down. We all sin and fall short. If it’s bothering him to a point that the Holy Spirit tells him to step down, then step down and get the restoration that he needs.
I’ve listened to Dr. Tony Evan’s over the years and I truly like some of his sermons. I even purchased his study Bible, which I feel is somewhat informative. However, I feel that his sin should have been addressed when it occurred. Practice what you preach. I don’t need to know the sin, nor care. All sin is bad. Praying for all those involved. Corey, one of your best shows. Stay strong, stay true. Blessings 🙏🏾
Dr. Tony Evans is a true man of God. His knowledge, his teachings are incredible. However he is just a man. I think this current situation shook us so much, because his teachings and his life has been a light house for us all. I listen to him on a weekly basis. His teachings have brought me closer to Christ. The world is full of followers and ridiculer’s. Just waiting in the shadows and some in plain sight. They are waiting to tear down great man of God. No man in the history of the world outside of Jesus is without sin. We need to remember he is human and fallible. However, Christ is still his compass and the Holy Spirit his light. He is a leader who deserves compassion not condemnation.
“ IT DOES NOT MATTER “ The fact is the acknowledgment that he is truly a man of the cloth. Because he is standing on his FAITH . Pause God he is very serious about his walk. So we don’t have a heaven or Hell to put him in. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Pastor Evans has stepped down, answering to God, not us. This is a matter between him and God alone; it's none of our business. We cannot put Pastor Evans in heaven or hell. As Matthew 7 says, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." In this season of judgment, let us stop being concerned about what he did and keep our souls clean before God. Remember, our sovereign God is watching all of our imperfect behavior. This is reflected in John 8:7 when they kept asking him, he lifted himself up and said unto them, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." The only thing we are to do is pray for our brother in Christ.
@@carification are you thinking of the verses in 2 Samuel 12 where king David’s baby died? 2 Samuel 12:22-23 (ESV) 22 He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, ‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ 23 But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”
@@arsynoeford9638we are born with a blank slate, the influences around us shape our conscience. That's why we don't remember being a toddler, innocence
I was a member of oak Cliff Bible fellowship years ago when I lived in Dallas Texas. He is a very good pastor. I love Dr Tony Evans , it's unfortunate that this is called him to step down whatever it is. I hate it that I had to leave Texas because my aunt was ill and my mother was ill. So I ended up staying in New Jersey. I remember his wife believe she was from Africa or he met her in Africa. It's been a long time he told us a story about how he met her. I love oak Cliff Bible fellowship. That's where I really understood and was able to discern the Bible teachings because of Dr Tony Evans. I don't care what he did he is still a good minister and teacher.
Thank you for your comments. You are showing wisdom, compassion and kindness. We can hold to scripture and still make allowances for those who disagree with us. Not to agree with outright sin, but like you said, we will all need someone’s grace toward us and we should show the same.
A good prayerful read of Romans Chapter 2 pretty much clears up God’s dealings with those who have not heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and original sin. Pray for the pastors that have fallen…Galatians 6:1 AMPC Brethren, if any person is overtaken in misconduct or sin of any sort, you who are spiritual [who are responsive to and controlled by the Spirit] should set him right and restore and reinstate him, without any sense of superiority and with all gentleness, keeping an attentive eye on yourself, lest you should be tempted also.
I think tony stepping back for something long long ago doesn't make sense. God forgives, and if he has truly repented and it was a while back, why step back now?
Wow, he is following the direction of scripture and leadership of church. I never heard of him, but that was then now. I'm not sure people would do it the right way now.
Romans 2:12-16 - Verse 13 says, "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." In the scriptures I've listed they say people will be judged: 1) without the law, 2) by the law, 3) according to the gospel that Paul preached.
Priscilla has not "preached" before the congregation. Dr. Evans even pulled her up short when she was moderating a Q&A session with some other ministers. 21 year member.
Very encouraging and edified by this podcast. Solomon is a good example of praying for Wisdom and discernment and also by his own sin in his life through his writings in the Bible
Cory, Thank you for one of your most fundamental teachings, to born-again believers, ever. Sadly, I know of only one of my FB friends who is a brother in Christ who has fully learned this discipline. Thankfully, I know of a handful that are getting there. God bless you brother
*58:47* absolutely just blew me away. I am in awe at this man's wisdom and insight. I have *_NEVER_* considered that before. 😲 Obviously, the same thing can be said about Jonah, but Jonah was more of an example/warning to all of us of what NOT to be and how NOT to think, but Peter was a vital member of the early church whose example we still follow today.
He has stepped down to now allow himself to be ministered to ! It is not for us to judge. I pray for a total refreshing and restoration for him, his family and OCBF. KNOW that you have ministered to me and many others through the years.
This is the nature of people, and sin. Whenever one is in the public eye, everyone seems to know what needs to be done. People are curious, and seem to love details: the more lurid the better. Just like all others, this too will also eventually pass, until the next so called scandal happens. God is watching all of us (both great and small), and in the end payday comes for all.
Depends on how the pastor handles the situation once he is confronted with it. If he truly turns from it. And if he took time out for a time, and the sin, and the deepness of his offense, into iniquity before and afterwards
The best I can do for him, and it is the very best is to bring him before the Lord, that he would be encouraged and lean into Jesus… He has brought great words from God throughout my adulthood…
Cory. What is the biblical reason he's stepping down for NOW? I guess Evans JUST found out Sunday that what he did YEARS AGO was a sin. If Evans knew what he'd done was wrong THEN, then yes, HE should have stepped down THEN. Evans is a PUBLIC LEADER, The People have the right to know this sin. We should not have picking and choosing as to who we are going to question or talk about. None of us know ANYTHING about what these people are doing or have done. So, if Evans don't want lies spread, he should tell ALL the truth. Maybe he doesn't have to tell....then maybe that's the reason he hasn't said anything about what EVERYONE is saying concerning this SIN he's committed. Either way, it sounds like he's trying to get AHEAD of something.
T......H......I ......S!!!!!!! Finally someone that gets it!!!! I was thinking his congregation needed a deeper explanation, but his ministry did reach further than his physical congregation 😨
So how long ago? We all have sinned once upon a time. so that mean we all need to step back. As long as he's has repented and not continuing in his wrong doing God is forgiving. Tony Evans is a good man.
There are no sinless Christians. Everyone one makes mistakes. Some of these people forget that they have sin within them. I totally 💯 agree with you on this matter with Tony Evans.
Those of you who are constantly judging these people, I would love to follow you around for a week and see how your walk with God is. No one is perfect or without sin. Judge yourself before judging someone else, you are flawed just like them.
Father I thank you for Brother Corey and His ministry Lord bless him abundantly Lord I pray for Tony Evan’s and the issue at hand I ask Lord that your will be done and I pray you turn it around for your glory and his good in Christ name amen 🙏
It doesn’t matter he is addressing it by stepping down. God’s Love covers a multitude of sin so wasting time trying to figure his speck when I am working on chipping away at my log in my own eye no it is a 24 hour job. We are a part of one body so if there is an injury or unhealthy part of my body the other parts will care so care and come to the aide of the injured body part so they should very much care.
It’s letting God give a witness to those envolved in leadership, if reformation has been done by the Lord & victim been cleanse & set free. It’s another humbling situation.
Ninety-five mins is rather long! I do love your expositions though and, as a Bible-reading believer myself, tend to agree with most of what you usually have to say.
Romans 2:12-16 addresses the issue of whether a person who has no information can be saved, and says something approximating what Tony Evans said. So shall we condemn Paul? Christians are frequently condemned by other Christians for quoting the Bible.
How much Glory do we receive at the cost of being right? You seem like a righteous judge, name one of your leaders, so us men of weak stature will know who to follow.
Brother Corey I have a question: if a pastor tells his congregation that the bible says we can speak things into existence is that reason to leave that church? Also is that something you believe to be true?
We need to pray for the leader of the churches around the world specifically our country.The leaders are human too and as the body of Christ,we need to pray for our pastor as well. We are all sinner and fall short glory of God.
Also, I was wondering if you look at 2 Samuel 12:23 David declares he will go to his son that died, and David went to Heaven. This is what I believe lets us know that babies and people who cannot mentally understand scripture go to Heaven when they die. What do you think?
I pray we get so nosey about the word of God instead of other people's lives.
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Thank you,Dr.Evans for reminding us all that we as believers have a righteous standard that we are accountable for living up to! Bless you in your rest and restoration.
And that standard my sister, is to Go out into all the world and teach the gospel of JesusChrist.
Jesus and his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; Jesus and his disciples were the church of God.
Stop worshipping a false "pastor" who hid his sin for years. He is not honorable. He admitted his secretive sin when he feared being exposed. Evans has $15 million and wants to keep his job to remain a millionaire, preaching about a homeless man named Jesus.
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*Verses*
_Another sleepy Sunday, safe within the walls_
_Outside a dying world in desperation calls_
_But no-one hears the cries, or knows what they're about_
_The doors are locked within, or is it from, without..._
*Chorus*
_Looking through rose colored stained glass windows_
_Never allowing the world to come in_
_Seeing no evil and feeling no pain_
_Making the light as it comes from within, so dim..._
*Verses*
_Out on the doorstep lay the masses in decay_
_Ignore them long enough, maybe they'll go away_
_When you have so much you think, you have so much to lose_
_You think you have no lack, when you're really destitute_
*Repeat Chorus*
*A song by Petra*
"Rose Colored Stained Glass Windows"
@@aquafishes What scripture is that?
Praying for Dr. Evans, family & church 🙏🏽 & Restoration
This makes me really respect Tony Evans. So many pastors need to do this but are too proud. I pray it is nothing crazy and pray that he comes back.
The statement he gave when he stepped down was sufficient for the "world/Internet/outsiders", however, he owes his (previous) flock a deeper explanation.
My church just went through this. The session brought forth the charges against the head pastor in a congregational meeting. The head pastor resigned and still had to answer the to the Presbytery. Currently he is being treated as a unbeliever until he repents.
And that's the Mac and cheese life; loving which is not: do you worship man, or God? because JesusChrist and his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; Jesus and his disciples were the church of God.
But my brother, many of them worship buildings have a covenant, what about the covenant that we have with Almighty God to go out into all the world, Matthew 28:19-20?
Jesus and his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; Jesus and his disciples were the church of God.
@@user-Dayvid1 what do your ramblings have to do with my comment?
Relax, take a deep breath, type complete and coherent sentences, then proofread your gobbledygook, correct it, and hit send.
@@living_the_mac_and_cheese_life Yes, I was saying JesusChrist nor his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; they were the church of God.
When Jesus came into the world, he was the church of God, in flesh and blood; and the whole world knows not what they are worshipping, starting with you.
Concerning Tony Evans, it's not "what sin was committed" that's the issue for me it's the "why publicly repent now after so many years?" The timing is OFF. Also, WHO caused him to repent?
I ask, because let's be serious, the WHO makes a difference. If he says he was convicted by the Holy Spirit, most would say "praise God, He's a man of God." BUT if he says he was confronted about it, you know good and well that might be a problem. Most would think "his judgment is off"..."is he qualified to pastor if he isn't convicted about sin in his life?"...etc.
Also, while I don't care to know the sin, I've had my pastor exercise church discipline and the elders told us what the sin was and they made sure to tell the congregation that they exposed the sin to cut down on gossip. Guess what? It did just that and we loved the man of God and prayed for his healing! Simple.
It seems to me, pastors and congregants don't understand that the office of pastor/teacher/elder/overseer is one with strict criteria and an office where all eyes are on you. YES people are going to hold you to a higher standard. It's human nature. James said in James 3:1, "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." Paul said to Timothy in 1 Timothy 3:1, "Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task." You will be held to a higher standard because of the weightiness of the title of "pastor/teacher/elder/overseer." My question to pastors is are you prepared for that?? Pastors shouldn't put on a show for people, but hey, God's standards are good, but they are high.....everyone is not built for that.
One more thing, many youtubers (especially the ones who are pastors themselves) are rebuking commenters for "being judgmental" but no one is talking about how as a pastor:
(1) it's a noble position/job title (1 Tim 3:1),
(2) pastors will be judged more harshly (James 3:1), AND
(3) most current pastors are being PAID to pastor....so yea it's in a pastor's job description as outlined in 1 Timothy 3 to be a man of good character. A pastor who sins on the job IS NOT the same as a Christian who sinned while working a non-pastoral job really.
Yes, pastors deserve grace and restoration but its not some horrible thing that people hold pastors in high regard and have high expectations of them. It comes with the title!
@@tic8259 Of course they will and MUST be held to a higher standard. Our Lord Jesus said "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more" Luke 12:48. That is just how things are and you are also right with respect to the timing. Why did it took YEARS for him to receive this kind of conviction for 'sin' committed back then? Off indeed the timing is.
@@aliciamcdonald7105 Agreed. But I don't think many know that because they don't read their Bibles! Church leaders are held to a higher standard because they have greater influence than most and can sway people. Also, was that a nod to Yoda? Lol.....all in all it's sad. And these moral failures are happening too frequently nowadays compared to the past.
the REASON is obvious... PROTESTANT ( esp. Fun Dam* mentalists ) are OFF !! ...
too many judgemental Hypocritical PRETENDERS
@@tic8259WHAT? Wanna come AGAIN…they have taken the black church AND BLACK IMAGE and did what the hel they wanted to do with it and you think that’s a high standard. Well not all would agree…WITH YOU
Wake up body of Christ, we got to pray for each other we are all in spiritual warfare temptation is all over the place
Amen
No human is above sin 😥 we are all are subject to fall... keep praying saints, the sin battle is over when we turn in this body of death for the glorified body awaiting us in heaven
AMEN!!!!!!
Well you’re a jerk. I totally cried reading this.
That's not Biblical Correct. Read Peter 1:10, and you can't interpret it. I'll will
That's not Biblical Correct. Read Peter 1:10, and you can't interpret it. I'll will
That's not Biblical Correct. Read Peter 1:10, and you can't interpret it. I'll will
If it's not in the Bible then no one should be trying to explain anything.
Exactly...smh...
LEGALLISM...🤔
People who believe in "ism's" add them to the Bible- Not Good. Then they try to explain Bible verses with their "ism's" added- Not Good. One example is *calvinism,* a doctrine created about 1,500 years after the the Bible was completed. God Bless *2 Peter 3:18*
Yesss I agree,let God do" his" will
Thank God for Jesus Christ who forgive my sins for the pass present and my future sins
really? How can you be so sure? Jesus could not save himself from the cross. He could defend himself when people stripped him naked.
So for me it's impossible human like that could save your sins. That person was so weak. He could not save anyone even for himself.
@@petrukasgar6187
1 Corinthians 1:18-19 (ESV)
18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
@@petrukasgar6187
Have you read the HOLY SCRIPTURES?
@@kimberleerivera3334 "Have you read the HOLY SCRIPTURES?"
What is it? why the scriptures being holy? Who said that? 😅🤣😂
@@petrukasgar6187 I am saying that they are Holy, would you like to laugh at me too, let's test the scriptures and see, it's your move, I like to stand in line to be slapped too please don't pass me by
Be a Restorer
Galatians 6:1 Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you
who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.
Well, here is some help, get out from sunday worship, it violates the Lord's 4th commandment, which produces sin!
@@lamarpfleger4108 And you dropped this comment here for? Did you see me at church on Sunday? 🤣🤣🤣
Well I believe that since JesusChrist nor his disciples ever bought a building and called it a church, that the spiritual leaders of this world are come from another spirit, and people follow another gospel which is not another gospel, but the are certainly many that trouble humankind, who walk not after the spirit, but after the flesh.
@@lamarpfleger4108My brother, building worships period, violates Almighty God in JesusChrist, commands.
Because it stops people from Going out into all the world, one is under the authority of Satan, no matter what day it is.
JesusChrist came and showed us how to live a life to God the Father, Jesus and his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; because the church of God was him and his disciples, which believed on him, and God added on daily such people who believed in JesusChrist!
Today, people have been fooled, tricked, lied to; who said JesusChrist was in a building? What is this building worship, and who them people in the world think they worshipping?
Many say they want to go to heaven, but are disobedient unto the sayings of God in JesusChrist.
@@lamarpfleger4108People need to read the gospels over, and walk as Jesus walked, and pray that God forgive us, for walking the wrong way.
I'm not looking to pastors. Once they preach, I still go the Word and pray. God said, 'In the last days, the very elect will be fooled'.
It does not say the elect will be fooled. It says that the deception will be so great that IF IT WAS POSSIBLE the elect could be fooled. But, since it is God that keeps us from the evil one, it isn't possible. Don't you believe the Gospel that proclaims whoever believes HAS eternal life?
Why are we having different weights and measures for Tony Evans? So we going to go soft and give grace to Tony Evans that we don’t give to other pastors that have been judged on this show. Should not all pastors who have failed be given the same “cover” and patience for judgment as is given to Tony Evans? I have not seen this podcast “spin it like this” before.
People defended John Macarthur when he blaspened the Holy Spirit. But at least he took the video down, but never repented
@@karlinwilliamson9329oh thank you for the insights. I was never aware he blasphemed the Holy Spirit, that is another dimension to the sin of church ministers we are seeing in recent time. That is heretical and as dangerous as any moral failure
When was this?!?!?! @@karlinwilliamson9329
@spiritualdiscovery8320 that person lied...I saw the TH-cam video claiming blasphemy...out of context and untrue...R.c Sproul who was there during the discussion would have said something
Let he / she without sin throw the first stone.
We certainly have a lot of people and ministers who have never done wrong, never sinned, and know it all!
I don't know, nor do I want to know what Dr Evans did, but if he is so strongly convicted to step down, then that is what he ought to do, even of it's only for a short time. We need to pray for him, his family and his church.
I agree.
He was convicted after severals meetings with the elders.
He was not convicted by the Holy Spirit. Read the statment please
We need repentance and revival in the churches and individually so much.
all 4 of these Pastors have amazing teaching. I will continue to learn from them.
@bethfollowersofChrist, I will too. Even Tony Evans, people still do not know why he stepped back. Whatever, the reason he stepped back, I applaud him for his action. These nosey people who are speaking negativities about Tony are guilty of a lot of dirt themselves that's why they are thinking the worst about him.
I agree that we should pray for church leaders.I also pray that some of these so-called leaders gets saved. There's hundreds,maybe thousands that are self-decieved,thinking they're saved and might not be.
It is stated in the Bible that our God is a jealous God. And he won’t let anyone receive too much praise outside of Himself. The more a person is honored and looked up to, the more likely that person will be shown to be imperfect, either directly by their own hand, deceitfulness from the devil, or by the hand of God, himself. God does not want us to put people on pedestals because this will be the gateway the devil will use to mislead the multitudes. If we put a person on a pedestal, God will allow that person’s imperfection to be seen. This event serves as a warning to ALL of us. We must be forgiving and understanding, while at the same time refrain ourselves from idle worship.
God is exposing all false prophets, pastors, preachers.
I don't see any of these men as false Prophets or teachers . They may have their failings and falterings
You cannot have it both ways. It's easy to make videos criticizing other people but when it comes to your favorites, you want to make excuses. Your favorites are not exempt from being judged.
I believe that's what he's doing, he doesn't agree with everything John MacArthur, Voddie or Tony says but they're not herectics
Who did I make excuses for?
I think this was off base. Corey didn’t make excuses for anyone and brought up others to make a point about which I don’t disagree with all of what he was getting at. I also appreciated that he was open about being a former member of this church
I agree, it's our business to know the sinful deeds of some & put them on blast, but others... It's Not Our Business! 🙄
This video did give off that vibe. 🤷🏾♀️.
I mentioned in a comment earlier that Evan's congregation is owed a more detailed explanation. The pastor at my church was recently stripped of his title and is being treated as an unbeliever until he repents. We had congregational meetings to inform us of the charges. He is no longer able to teach even if he repents because he is no longer above reproach.
Tony Evans has been a blessing to me, I pray and hope he takes his position again, we as Christians should not run,straight to TH-cam, or Facebook to try to ruin a man of GOD, be careful that we don't become a instrument of the devil
I saw in the live chat that a bunch of people's faith is going to be tested , and I pray that you stand in your testing ,above all, God is sovereign
1cor.2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men,but in the power of God..The shaking of the pulpits is not just about Pastors,but the congregation. Sometimes some of these people lift up Pastors more than they lift up Jesus Christ our savior.
I see it as give grace to the humble and law to the proud. This is the best wisdom to have before judging every one
I trust no man but God
AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMEN!
It's alarming that Tony said his sin was years in his past. He's just now talking about this. That's alarming to me and others.
Not alarming to me at all. The Holy Spirit will highlight what is lacking in all of us. And not everyone will disclose what we've done right away.
Evans saying his sinn was years ago didn't alarm me. What's alarming to me is how these people on social media are claiming the PUBLIC doesn't have a right to know Evans' Hidden Sin.
@@qcent2406what are all the sins you e committed? List them now. RIGHT NOW, I deserve to know.
1.)
2.)
3.)
List them.
David committed adultery with Bathsheba for 2 years......
Come clean!!!!!😮
I'd like to why is David Jeremiah in the mix? In my opinion i think David Jermiah is a very good pastor.
The fact that ppl think of someone as being a good pastor doesn't mean they are preaching or practicing the truth. Ppl are often too fooled by someone's eloquence and confuse that as them being good pastors. Paul said that he come to anybody with excellent speaking skills. Many "Christians" today would be sooner fooled by the false ministers in the 1st century because they came speaking eloquently and in a captivating matter.
Right. Was thinking the same thing. Why is David Jeremiah included here?
Following…
I don’t care God has the final say , what I think doesn’t matter God is God and I am not above all else God is Sovereign
I noticed when he announced marriage it was very tense my thoughts something was going on with the new wife before his wife died but we will probably never know praying for him and family LIFE has so many ups downs God Bless him
Nope. She was married and her husband passed around the same time of Lois Evans' death
How many of us are willing to reveal any of our sins to the world?“Let he without sin cast the first stone.” As far as I know, there was only one perfect man and that was Jesus Christ. Dr. Evans has served and taught for 38 years. Lets pray for him and extend the grace that we would want extended to us.
Pastors are accountable to a higher authority than their church board , the heads of their religious organization, and even their congregation members. Just like the rest of. I believe Tony Evans did what he felt was right in his heart. Pray for him, not condemn him!
I share your thoughts. Imagine if he feels convicted on certain untoward bodily contact with his new wife during their courting period and now was convicted he went too far or violated his own moral standards. That is a personal issue btw him and God , doesn't need any public confession on that
I live in Seattle I listen to Dr Evans almost every Sunday.
He Preached a sermon on women Pastors he does not believe in Women Pastors .
He feels a Church is out of order who has women Pastors. A thorough message.
Pastor MacArthur has a good Sermon concerning Women Pastors
Let’s talk…
1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
How does that square with Debra and Barak and Aquila/Pricilla and Apollos. Which Paul did not condemn.
Then there’s the “But I…” in 1 Timothy 2:12 that seems to imply that this is from Paul and not God.
There appears to be more that needs to be revealed on the matter. But does it really matter!?
Quite frankly since my life depends on it, I don’t care what gender teaches me to live the Truth of the Word.
So why is Priscilla his daughter in the pulpit? Oh so it's do as I say and not as I do huh?
This is 2024, the year God is exposing ALL of us for being fakes and liars.
Sunday is the death trap!
@@Winniegarnet.8119 INDEED!
@@lamarpfleger4108spoken like a good SDA
I love your comment at the 10 minute mark. Reformers tend to do that. Which as a reformed person it’s ironic, because we accuse listeners of prosperity gospel preachers of that. Turning a blind eye when their pastor does something. My thing is, we’re quick to judge Tony Evans but overlook the fact that John MacArthur has a standard that elders are not fit to be in leadership position if their children are in sin. He sat an associate pastor down because his daughter got pregnant out of wedlock and called that man a disgrace. And yet Johnny Mac’s son bamboozled people for millions of dollars and got busted for it… nobody bats an eye. According to MacArthur’s standards, he’s not fit to be in pastoral ministry. Don’t get me wrong I love Johnny Mac and he’s a faithful Bible teacher, but let’s keep that same energy all across the board. And those people won’t acknowledge that Tony Evans took the necessary biblical steps to step down from ministry.
No way he sat a pastor for their child’s sin??? I’ve never heard of that before! I’m only aware of the lady which her husband’s abuse was indeed a fact. Now this one, that goes to show that he thinks too highly of himself which is concerning. Just like you said he should hold himself to his own standard of discipline. I mean of course if he claims that the pastor was approving of their daughter’s sexual immoral lifestyle.
I’ve been saying this…. There’s a lot of racism and elitism as well !
IMO, I believe reformers will use this isolated situation to DISCREDIT , and “disqualify” tony evans entire ministry. It’s like “yep we got ‘em, he’s not so “perfect after all”. Whole time they have unloving , unforgiving, merciless hearts. A lot of their hearts motivation is wrong. It’s not love and wanting to help someone who has stumbled, but rather let’s go around fault finding! It’s being shown right now , and how their camp is wanting to talk about him like a dog.
They are so critical. Nothing wrong with us thinking biblically (obviously) and using critical thinking. But we must be careful, because it can lead you to looking at others, not even recognizing you have a gang load of hidden sin in your heart (pride self righteousness, arrogance).
I think reformers have a great deal of self righteousness. The problem is they either are unable to see their own problem (sin). Or they know, and try to hide it behind “being faithful” to the word. Their understanding of the Bible also doesn’t leave any room for God to move in a way that doesn’t fit their box. But it will be hidden behind “we’re holding to the text”. No your a legalist. The Pharisees knew the Bible back and forth, yet they missed its true meaning and they missed Christ every time….
These people tend to be very joyless as well, thinking the more stoic they are, the more serious they are about Christ. They can’t stand the happiness of other believers. They can’t rejoice with others. This comes from God? No. But what I find with them as well, is they have tons of hypocrisy. It’s okay for them to post and say and do things, but if they don’t “qualify “ you, you can’t do what they do.
@@Loveispatient76 I think that’s an absolute statement that’s not totally true. There are reformers like that. “Cage stage Christians” as the Calvinists would call it lol. But all Christians fall under this category.
Corey can you do a live where we all come.together and you lead us in prayer for these men
Why ask him, he turneth away His ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination (Prov.28v9) He eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil! Beware
Really? Not practical. Prayer in your closet or with your current prayer group or prayer partner is good enough.
@@haggaiaura9129 Not if you do not keep the LAW!
@@lamarpfleger4108 ???
I appreciate your balanced Holy Ghost filled anointed analogies and stories as to whatever is going on in the body of Christ right now
Thank you for talking about the John MacArthur situation. A lot of women are blamed- when they come forward about abuse especially by the church.
It is commendable, of him. Our aim is to pursue pleasing God; even when we do faultier, along the way…we are to repent to be restored in Him; therefore to continue, uprightly, in this way of Christ. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I don't really care, it took a real man , a real pastor a real leader to admit that his heart didn't line up with God's heart, I love him still., we need more people that want to be accountable, God bless him and I pray for his restoration and his healing.
We need to remember to take the beam out of our own eyes before fiddlin' with the splinter in others in most situations, unless outright heresy or disobedience to clearly outlined biblical boundries.
Dr. Tony Evans did the right thing, even when it happened years later, unlike John MacArthur who got caught on camera treating Eileen Grey horribly and then played the victim to his congregation and said he was being persecuted! He wouldn't even apologize!
I Literally was thinking the same thing about the John MacArthur. However, we know they won’t let us bring that up. But if it’s anyone else , they are ready to disown them so fast.
Evan's congregation deserves a deeper explanation than a blanket media statement. I hope he had a congregational meeting to do so.
My church, which *IS* reformed has stripped our lead pastor of his title and is currently treating as an unbeliever until he repents. He is to never be able to teach because he is no longer above reproach. We as a congregation know the charges against the pastor.
The right thing was to tell the people that Jesus or his disciples never bought a building and called it a church; because they were the church of God, just as they were.
People need to read and reconsider what the gospels are saying.
The whole story is not proving your here-say
@@LisaSmith-xz9jq Psalm 115:4, their idols are silver and gold, the world of men's hands.
Talking about the heathen or the non believer, in Verse 2.
1 Chronicles 17:5, I have not dwelt, remained, or lived, in a house, a temple, a synagogue, a building, or a church, since I brought up Israel ( from the house of bondage, slavery) unto this day, today, but have went from tent to tent...
James 1:27, Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is To visit the fatherless and widows in their afflictions and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
Not Christianity, not Hebrew Israelite, not first church of God, not true holiness, not church of God in Christ, not Jehovah's witnesses, Jehovah Tsidkenu in JesusChrist.
None of these man made religions in this world, JesusChrist from heaven, and he brought down from heaven with him what they worship up there; Satan tricked the whole world, and made these things down here through man.
We all has sin & comes short of the glory of God 😔
Pray for our pastors.Devil comes to kill steal and destroy.
Yes and many being used inside and outside the church to tear it down!
These are the mysteries of God. We can “assume” all we want. If there is no Biblical basis, we simply don’t know and should tell others so.
Us Catholics pray on the "mysteries of the faith" daily and at every mass.
I have nothing insightful to say against Pastor Evans' biblical qualifications as an overseer because I'm not familiar with his ministry or the details of this situation, but I agree with your statement. God told us exactly what He deems we need to know concerning salvation. Certainly, there are truths not expressly revealed in scripture that we can reasonably believe based on principles found in other scripture. But if the Holy Scriptures are completely silent in some area, we need to submit to that silence instead of teaching our educated guesses as doctrine.
I dont know your doctrine but i appreciate your spirit on this subject. You seem well balanced on this and not falling into the gossip spirit we call "news" etcs.
Your question on stepping down - why? I don’t think he should step down. We all sin and fall short. If it’s bothering him to a point that the Holy Spirit tells him to step down, then step down and get the restoration that he needs.
I’ve listened to Dr. Tony Evan’s over the years and I truly like some of his sermons. I even purchased his study Bible, which I feel is somewhat informative. However, I feel that his sin should have been addressed when it occurred. Practice what you preach. I don’t need to know the sin, nor care. All sin is bad. Praying for all those involved.
Corey, one of your best shows. Stay strong, stay true. Blessings 🙏🏾
Dr. Tony Evans is a true man of God. His knowledge, his teachings are incredible. However he is just a man. I think this current situation shook us so much, because his teachings and his life has been a light house for us all. I listen to him on a weekly basis. His teachings have brought me closer to Christ. The world is full of followers and ridiculer’s. Just waiting in the shadows and some in plain sight. They are waiting to tear down great man of God. No man in the history of the world outside of Jesus is without sin. We need to remember he is human and fallible. However, Christ is still his compass and the Holy Spirit his light. He is a leader who deserves compassion not condemnation.
I believe under the umbrella of God's love and mercy allows babies and people with mental disabilities to go to heaven.
“ IT DOES NOT MATTER “ The fact is the acknowledgment that he is truly a man of the cloth. Because he is standing on his FAITH . Pause God he is very serious about his walk. So we don’t have a heaven or Hell to put him in. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Walk in the Light as He is in The Light and The Blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin, so His Blood cleanses us period.
Pastor Evans has stepped down, answering to God, not us. This is a matter between him and God alone; it's none of our business. We cannot put Pastor Evans in heaven or hell. As Matthew 7 says, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." In this season of judgment, let us stop being concerned about what he did and keep our souls clean before God. Remember, our sovereign God is watching all of our imperfect behavior. This is reflected in John 8:7 when they kept asking him, he lifted himself up and said unto them, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." The only thing we are to do is pray for our brother in Christ.
I really enjoyed the content but also the editing too. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, I beleive that baby will surely go to heaven. That baby never commited a sin.
I wish I could find that old testament scripture on this subject. IG I recall babies do go to heaven 😊.
@@carification are you thinking of the verses in 2 Samuel 12 where king David’s baby died?
2 Samuel 12:22-23 (ESV)
22 He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, ‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ 23 But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”
What about the sin we are born with ?
@@arsynoeford9638we are born with a blank slate, the influences around us shape our conscience. That's why we don't remember being a toddler, innocence
You can believe it, but the Bible doesn't teach it.
As far as I'm concerned all of man is disqualified to represent God. However, the Holy Spirit will empower who God chooses to do his work.
Or maybe the Bible say Titus 1 and Timothy will mention elder qualifications
I was a member of oak Cliff Bible fellowship years ago when I lived in Dallas Texas. He is a very good pastor. I love Dr Tony Evans , it's unfortunate that this is called him to step down whatever it is. I hate it that I had to leave Texas because my aunt was ill and my mother was ill. So I ended up staying in New Jersey. I remember his wife believe she was from Africa or he met her in Africa. It's been a long time he told us a story about how he met her. I love oak Cliff Bible fellowship. That's where I really understood and was able to discern the Bible teachings because of Dr Tony Evans. I don't care what he did he is still a good minister and teacher.
Thank you for your comments. You are showing wisdom, compassion and kindness. We can hold to scripture and still make allowances for those who disagree with us. Not to agree with outright sin, but like you said, we will all need someone’s grace toward us and we should show the same.
A good prayerful read of Romans Chapter 2 pretty much clears up God’s dealings with those who have not heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and original sin. Pray for the pastors that have fallen…Galatians 6:1 AMPC
Brethren, if any person is overtaken in misconduct or sin of any sort, you who are spiritual [who are responsive to and controlled by the Spirit] should set him right and restore and reinstate him, without any sense of superiority and with all gentleness, keeping an attentive eye on yourself, lest you should be tempted also.
Nobody is perfect. We are quick to open our mouth and judge.
I think tony stepping back for something long long ago doesn't make sense. God forgives, and if he has truly repented and it was a while back, why step back now?
Wow, he is following the direction of scripture and leadership of church. I never heard of him, but that was then now. I'm not sure people would do it the right way now.
Romans 2:12-16 - Verse 13 says, "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." In the scriptures I've listed they say people will be judged: 1) without the law, 2) by the law, 3) according to the gospel that Paul preached.
Priscilla has not "preached" before the congregation. Dr. Evans even pulled her up short when she was moderating a Q&A session with some other ministers. 21 year member.
Very encouraging and edified by this podcast. Solomon is a good example of praying for Wisdom and discernment and also by his own sin in his life through his writings in the Bible
Bless you sir I appreciate this video
Cory,
Thank you for one of your most fundamental teachings, to born-again believers, ever.
Sadly, I know of only one of my FB friends who is a brother in Christ who has fully learned this discipline. Thankfully, I know of a handful that are getting there.
God bless you brother
And this gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in ALL the world as a witness to ALL the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14
*58:47* absolutely just blew me away. I am in awe at this man's wisdom and insight. I have *_NEVER_* considered that before. 😲 Obviously, the same thing can be said about Jonah, but Jonah was more of an example/warning to all of us of what NOT to be and how NOT to think, but Peter was a vital member of the early church whose example we still follow today.
SO MANY PREACHERS AND PEOPLE DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD REQUIRES OF THE BELIEVERS.
He has stepped down to now allow himself to be ministered to ! It is not for us to judge. I pray for a total refreshing and restoration for him, his family and OCBF. KNOW that you have ministered to me and many others through the years.
Cory, where do you go to church in the Dallss area. I listen to you often. You make a lot of sense spiritually.
This is the nature of people, and sin. Whenever one is in the public eye, everyone seems to know what needs to be done. People are curious, and seem to love details: the more lurid the better. Just like all others, this too will also eventually pass, until the next so called scandal happens. God is watching all of us (both great and small), and in the end payday comes for all.
We don’t know the reason but he counseled with his elders and they as a whole thought that this was the best thing he could do at this time.
Depends on how the pastor handles the situation once he is confronted with it. If he truly turns from it. And if he took time out for a time, and the sin, and the deepness of his offense, into iniquity before and afterwards
The best I can do for him, and it is the very best is to bring him before the Lord, that he would be encouraged and lean into Jesus… He has brought great words from God throughout my adulthood…
What did Voddie do??
That’s what I was wondering lmao
@@n7ckoo yeah I’m like hold up what I miss ?? 😂😂😂 I haven’t seen nothing crazy
Based on the video, I think Corey is highlighting Voddie Baucham’s association with a prominent Mormon.
Nobody’s perfect or sinless, but I thought the same lol I love Voddie and J-Mac…two of my favorites. I also miss RC….brother Corey too of course 😁
@@davisbelas3516 RC is great I was late being introduced to him & definitely a fan a Jmac & Corey as well 🤝🏽
Brother Corey for your information we have a lot of Christians in Toubouctou Mali.
I haven't watched but what did voddie baucham do? David Jeremiah?
Judge - No
Hold accountable yes but with edification as the intent
We are to judge those in Christ we are not to judge non-believers
1 Corinthians 5:12-13
Cory. What is the biblical reason he's stepping down for NOW? I guess Evans JUST found out Sunday that what he did YEARS AGO was a sin. If Evans knew what he'd done was wrong THEN, then yes, HE should have stepped down THEN.
Evans is a PUBLIC LEADER, The People have the right to know this sin. We should not have picking and choosing as to who we are going to question or talk about. None of us know ANYTHING about what these people are doing or have done. So, if Evans don't want lies spread, he should tell ALL the truth. Maybe he doesn't have to tell....then maybe that's the reason he hasn't said anything about what EVERYONE is saying concerning this SIN he's committed. Either way, it sounds like he's trying to get AHEAD of something.
T......H......I ......S!!!!!!! Finally someone that gets it!!!! I was thinking his congregation needed a deeper explanation, but his ministry did reach further than his physical congregation 😨
We all have sin but as a pastor it depends on the sin we have the 10 commandments as our guide.
When things are taken out of order and context people will believe anything. 1 cor 4-5
So how long ago? We all have sinned once upon a time. so that mean we all need to step back. As long as he's has repented and not continuing in his wrong doing God is forgiving. Tony Evans is a good man.
We can’t even be a Christian conference speaker anymore
I don't understand your comment. Could you explain? Hope I'm not insulting you...
There are no sinless Christians. Everyone one makes mistakes. Some of these people forget that they have sin within them. I totally 💯 agree with you on this matter with Tony Evans.
While we are concentrating on individual pastors, God is looking at a dying world.
Those of you who are constantly judging these people, I would love to follow you around for a week and see how your walk with God is. No one is perfect or without sin. Judge yourself before judging someone else, you are flawed just like them.
We are not all pastor/teachers-- they are to be judged more strictly according to James 3:1
Father I thank you for Brother Corey and His ministry Lord bless him abundantly Lord I pray for Tony Evan’s and the issue at hand I ask Lord that your will be done and I pray you turn it around for your glory and his good in Christ name amen 🙏
It doesn’t matter he is addressing it by stepping down. God’s Love covers a multitude of sin so wasting time trying to figure his speck when I am working on chipping away at my log in my own eye no it is a 24 hour job. We are a part of one body so if there is an injury or unhealthy part of my body the other parts will care so care and come to the aide of the injured body part so they should very much care.
If we don’t know - we don’t speculate! Amen!!!
Great discussion. I agree wholeheartedly with your points about forgiveness and the human factor of our pastors. Keep going, Brother Corey.
It’s letting God give a witness to those envolved in leadership, if reformation has been done by the Lord & victim been cleanse & set free. It’s another humbling situation.
Spot on commentary...ty.
You just said it that sum of the whole show those that put these preachers up on his pedestal, lose sight of Christ!
Ninety-five mins is rather long! I do love your expositions though and, as a Bible-reading believer myself, tend to agree with most of what you usually have to say.
Romans 2:12-16 addresses the issue of whether a person who has no information can be saved, and says something approximating what Tony Evans said. So shall we condemn Paul? Christians are frequently condemned by other Christians for quoting the Bible.
Rather then asking should we judge .
Maybe further God's Kingdom.
Cause all men in Bible fell short
Just as we
23:09 Corey! I heard you talk about that topic 3 times now saying Tony Evans is wrong but you never gave your opinion on the matter, what's your take?
How much Glory do we receive at the cost of being right? You seem like a righteous judge, name one of your leaders, so us men of weak stature will know who to follow.
I bless the Lord for you I gave a thumbs up and I'm going to subscribe😅
Brother Corey I have a question: if a pastor tells his congregation that the bible says we can speak things into existence is that reason to leave that church? Also is that something you believe to be true?
We don’t speak things into existence. We pray for God’s will to be done in our lives.
We need to pray for the leader of the churches around the world specifically our country.The leaders are human too and as the body of Christ,we need to pray for our pastor as well. We are all sinner and fall short glory of God.
Where did you get that shirt? I love it. 😊
Also, I was wondering if you look at 2 Samuel 12:23 David declares he will go to his son that died, and David went to Heaven. This is what I believe lets us know that babies and people who cannot mentally understand scripture go to Heaven when they die. What do you think?