2020 Toyota GR Supra | Review | PistonHeads
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- Finally! The all-new Toyota GR Supra, arguably the most eagerly anticipated new car of 2019, is here. And we’ve been driving it - fast. Can it live up to all that hype, which has been building since the FT-1 concept was revealed way back in 2014? And does it deliver like a true JDM driver’s car - or is the BMW connection too hard to hide? Dan Prosser has the answer to all those questions - and more.
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Editor, please turn down the music when he’s talking. Can barely hear him.
Captions...
@@florence9536 No excuses, this is terrible editing.
I was about to say the same..
All youtubers seem to do it,maybe they haven't got the option to turn the music down?
Cant belive how much better it looks in Yellow than a dark colour...!
I might go for yellow
In white pearl also.. it pops.. love this car.. however, I will only buy it if it has a manual gearbox
Red doesn’t work at all. Yellow though, looks rather good.
@@0tispunkm3y3r Yeah the red they chose doesn't look great. I've seen a photoshop with Mazdas Soul Red and it looks good. Wish they went with something like that
I did a couple of liveries when playing GT Sport today...This car looks amazing in all forms of crazy colours. Chrome red and blue, liquid metal brass and gold. Especially if you make the rear bumper & hood black. Modifications on this car on a purely aesthetic level will be very varied and interesting, that's for sure.
good review but please stop with the music when the presenter is talking, its annoying and distracting, makes it really hard to listen too. In fact I turned off because of this. Sorry.
How true - I've just paused after 3.09 to make the same comment
paul j I had no issues with the music. I like it
@@motormusique they put music over the top of the presenter talking, it made it hard to listen to in my humble opinion
Sad to say the same, clicked out as I’m not here to strain to listen to the speech.
Exactly what I felt
Watch, 1 million people will ask for a manual transmission and 100 people will buy one. Seen that before.
Exactly......that is the only reason manuals are getting extinct.
Lol word.
Maybe in US, not in Europe, Manual sell well
Most people complaining it’s only auto don’t even have the money to buy it even if it was a manual
Surely you're right.. but believe me there is a market this time for this manual
There is nothing wrong with this review. There is nothing wrong with this car. I am excited by neither 🤷♀️
They could of just gave the gt86 300hp instead of this. I would be extremely excited about a stock 300hp gt86.
prefer it over the Z4 but wish it had kept more of the FT-1 concept - that was phenomenal
you cant really compare the z4 to the new supra because they handle so different, and im sure there will be bodykits and aftermarket headlights that make it look more like the ft1 concept
For the price, you can't argue much I guess
be patient, its obvious this is the 'base' car..they would probably be a track focused version, a manual version, limited editions etc...surely be priced higher
A track focused "Supra"? Is that what people want from the Supra?
The old IV (or any supra) was never really a track car. It was a sports tourer (emphasis on tourer) that people made stupid fast. No wonder Toyota lost their way with this car, and Supra-purists hate it.
The Supra has a motorsports history/pedigree shorter than this post. But now its a track car. lol.
Hope So!
@@starfox_wr-45e93 mk4 was a loss project....thanks to fast and furious for the marketing after discontinuing the sales of supra.
@@evolvedmadman7354 I don't understand what you mean.
@@starfox_wr-45e93 only 124 mk4 supra units were sold in america till 1998...sales were horroble and it was very expensive at that time....but when fast and furious the movie released everyone got hyped and wanted back the supra when the mk4 supra was no longer available in the market in 2001.
A lighter, track focused version will definitely be on the way. Can't expect Toyota to not hold anything back with the base model. Also don't forget that this car was made with tuners in mind. The point is you take this excellent starting point and modify it to whatever your ideal is if you so desire
I hope so. A manual transmission equipped model with 100lbs less weight to carry around and more focused components would really cause me to rethink what modern vehicle I most desire.
Can't hear you, Dan.
By any subjective comparison it’s a good car, the previous generation car was very very very expensive back in the day and that’s the reason it was not a volume seller..people look back with rose tinted glasses....it achieved cult status only due to the ability of the fabulous engine to be modified easily to 500 plus bhp.... I drove one about four years old when I was looking to relive my youth in midlife crisis by buying a modern classic, it was standard car and felt very dated ...but that’s the point
you mean objective?
No...? “Subjective “
In my case it’s based on emotional response...objectively it’s obviously not the best car ii it’s class
@@alanwayte1688 It doesn't really make sense to say by 'any subjective comparison', was probably black fish's point. By your subjective opinion, maybe.
It makes absolute sense...objectively the car is not the best in class...subjectively sitting in the car, driving the car, with excellent 50/50 balance and the 6 cylinder engine I am absolutely certain that I certainly and the majority of drivers would agree this is a good car......
Nailed it again, so glad I subscribed. Love how well thought out and put together your reviews are!! Please share links for the music you use!!!
The Zupr4-BAshing is not fair. It's a exciting car with a terrific engine. The probelm is the PRICE. In my country the MRSP starts at 63k Euros. A Corvette C7 Stingray with 460 hp V8 and a big boot started at 70k Euros 2 years ago. And that car you could almost call a supercar (it has beaten the 991.1 Carrera S in track/tests several times).
This is why I've been saying Toyota should give it more than 335 HP. Well according to a few tests they did...so now I say they should have just rated it at what it clearly has (~410hp) so that it doesn't look so bad compared to other cars in the segment, particularly in America.
@@Dolby109 who on earth already managed to dyno a mk5 Supra?
@@BB-zv8tx Nobody, but C&D ran it down the quarter mile and it trapped 113mph, so given it's ~3540lb weight with a driver that means it would have to put down around 340-350whp.
@@BB-zv8tx Check out Car Throttle
Hear the background music and instantly guess it would be Dan as the presenter
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Great review! Music?
It's all about price point. From what I've seen they've got it bang on! Can't wait to buy one.
I hope Toyota puts the S58 engine, lightweight Recaro buckets, manual or dct transmission and six piston front brakes for the higher spec version in the future. Lastly keep the price cheaper than a Cayman S or GTS if possible.
M2 competition?
The ZF 8HP has some clear advantages compared to a DCT, though. Lower weight, better low-speed drivability, lower cost.
if the ZF 8HP can bear the extra power and torque from the S58 engine then it might be ok.
B58 makes a ton of gains tuned. I've seen 340i's with like 450 whp with tune, downpipe, water-meth, and a few other bolt ons.
I doubt it. The only way Toyota can put an S58 engine in the Supra is if BMW puts the same motor in their Z4 according to their contract from what Toyota said. BMW already said they aren't planning to make a Z4M because there's no market for it and its plenty capable with the current set up.
My guess is Toyota will make a more powerful Supra a few years from now and probably bump the horsepower to like 360-380 with some exterior and suspension updates and call it a day. Toyota is way too cheap and conservative to go all out.
Think it looks great, sounds like it drives great, the only criticism I keep hearing is that there's too much BMW. Would you really rather have a Toyota interior than a BMW one? No. Once they release a manual version and the tuning companies set to work on it, it's going to be brilliant. Very well produced video too
Post "HURRR DURR IT'S A BMW ZUPRA" here.
Thank you bmw! The bmw sound! The bmw cabin, it’s everything I dreamed about for the iconic Japanese sports car successor!
Even with its slightly awkward rear arches, I think this has just gone into my dream garage. It's just begging for some wider wheels, firmer suspension and breathing mods.
On that note, surely GR have an aftermarket parts catalogue at the ready, it makes complete sense.
Belgian number plates, this car will spend 90% of his life in traffic jams. 😂
some reviewers make it sound like its a bad thing when you have a bmw interior into any car, especially an affordable sports car.
Dan is an excellent host. Really like the Supra
The new Z4 is a nice car
Are the European models also gonna have pops and bangs when you let go of the gas in sport mode?
Slick production PH way to step your game up!
Interested to know how it compares to the competition in this segment
Very nice looking motor. So Supra, M2 or Birds fettled M240i / Z40i?
Great critique. Have another sub. Many more deserved.
Correct! Toyota does indeed need to build the new Supra with a manual transmission gearbox, coupled with the 3.0-liter inline-6 engine.
That engine revving up sounds heavenly.
A mk4 Supra turbo sold for 50k in 1995 which is equal to 80k in today's money... This is 50k TODAY... Let that sink in.
Really enjoyed that review. A clear concise source of feedback of how the car feels and behaves. Bodes well as being a great base for modification too. I am sure Toyota knew that for some people this would be an excellent blank canvas for tuning. The world is a better place now we have a modern incarnation of the Supra again. Wonder how it would stack up against the new Renault Alpine?
A good base but I wish they'd made it as a 2+2. If it going to be on the heavy side anyway, as bit more space and 2 more little seats would have made very little ovrall kerb weight penalty. As a pure 2 seater then it makes sense Toyota makes a harder version with a manual gearbox, less weight, bigger brakes and more ower circa 400 bhp. Great review Pistonheads!
Is that rear diff new or based on Lexus ones?
I really like the new Supra, I would love to drive one at some point.
I love this car. I'm going to buy one as soon as I can.
Ohhhhh... Why exactly if I my ask?
@@Mexxx65 It looks great, is affordable, has a great engine, has great handling, and is extremely quick.
@@FurkanCemTurfanda Dont worry about others complaining bro...they are just racist.
@@evolvedmadman7354 racist? You're a dummy
Completely agree.. and I will buy it if it has a manual gearbox.
What are the key differences between this and my M240i? I ask because this car costs 10k more but has the same engine, gearbox and switch gear.
ChipZilla69 M240i needs a M Performance Diff, KW suspension and M4 control arms. Maybe an exhaust. Than it‘s not 75% but 95% as much fun I believe. And therefore maybe the better deal. Especially if you buy a used one or a M140i. Or a manual even..!
Fantastic review.... there’s such a clear distinction between a professional auto journalists review of an important new drivers car like this and a whole bunch of amateur reviewers on you tube who have no professional or technical or driving background whatsoever... but for some reason are getting an obscene number of views...
The body lines look exceptional in this color.
...the music is SO LOUD! I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUU...
What are you watching on?
Seems fine to me. Maybe it's just you.
this is a real good video
Superb review. With a manual and a bit more edge plus a revised front end styling it would be perfect.
Manual gear box please?
I can't wait to get mine 😊
Yellow looks the best
Alot of contradictions in this video? The gearbox is good enough, then it's really good out on the road? A car that is balanced and planted on the track but on a tight road, it starts to show it's limits? I'll just form my own conclusions. This is a really good car!
exactly, contradictions within the same sentence multiple times
Of course they can do more with the exhaust. You put Eisenmann or Meisterschaft exhaust on an I6 BMW engine and you have one of the best exhaust notes out there.
Neat body kit on that Z4.
Keep in mind, the Lexus LFA had a torsional rigidity of just over 39,000 Nm/deg: and that was at a sticker of around US$ 375K (these days, you're looking at US$ 500K for basic used ones, with some of the better examples going for close to $1m). And that is a less than 10 year old car. Amazing how far Toyota has come. Clearly, this car was designed for tuning and can easily handle well north of 600 hp with no chassis mods.
Exhaust definitely needs improving, the auto is dulling it down too, a manual will improve the sound as well...be interestedto see how this compares to an Evora
It will be interesting to see how many upgrades and horsepower production will be available by after market companies for this car. Not really a Toyota fan but I think they have positioned themselves well suggesting the after market will offer lots of upgrades, this is based on all the reviews I've seen. Obviously I have not driven or even seen this car in person but it looks and sounds good to me.
Iv owned every Mark of the Supra from an 83 to 84 Celica Supra 87.5 turbo and a na 93.5 mk4 and I'm so excited about the mark 5 . Any Supra owner Will appreciate what a Supra is. Not pure Toyota but pure driver personal car
i can't hear what you're saying when the music plays in the background =\
Manual gear box please
Great review.
The way I see it, the people who can afford these new are old buggers with crook knees and want an auto. Then in the second hand market the manuals are worth 15% more because most people under 40 appreciate the manual.
Could be wrong but that's how I've seen many-a-track day go.
I'm well over forty an only buy cars with a manual,many people under 30 have never driven a manual.
Yeah I prefer an auto with sport mode with a shifter that u need to pull back to up shift not a big fan of paddles but I'll play with them. Never drove a manual. Under 30
Kev hmmm, the way I see it, most people under 40 don't even know what a manual is. Most older people grew up with manuals. Way back when, all there was were manuals. All Sports cars were only offered in manual. If you are a true enthusiast who loves manuals, I salute you. I get when racing, and races are decided by lap times separated by a 100ths of seconds, that a dual clutch is quicker, but when you are looking for emotional connection and driver involvement, a manual can not be beat. And most people 50 years or older, cut their teeth on manuals.
Kev my friend, you have it completely arse about. People of my generation (about 50), are to blame for most of the world's problems but the impending death of the manual transmission lies at the feet (foot), of younger people and for that they should HANG THEIR HEADS IN SHAME.
Already in love with this car. Cant wait to own it next year.
Manual gearbox please
You wont buy anyway.
Toyota, please make a manual version! Been planning for this car since 2014, but I'm holding out until they confirm manual.
Nice car man
Lovely review for a lovely machine. I like it a lot. Can't help but feel it would be much better looking if it looked a bit lower and wider like the FT-1 concept car. Anticipating a manual transmission and a harder edgoer version of this car will be dropped in a year or so. Tuners are gonna have a field day with this one. Make it happen Toyota!
I’d probably take this version with the auto - everyday usability and comfort but really good at 8 or 9 10ths when you want it to be? Sounds great to me. I’m not convinced there are as many ‘hardcore’ enthusiasts out there as videos like this purport, and even if there are, they’re still a minority and won’t pay the bills. Want hardcore? Go aftermarket, this platform is literally made for it.
The new supra has dug itself into my list of attainable dream cars. A car that can give you fun track driving, yet can also sooth you on the streets. & living in the city with horrid traffic jams, that zf8hp sounds like a joy to use.
Love the car. So much more interesting than just another fast BMW. An modern classic in the making Imo.
First person that's mentioned the suspension setup in any of the reviews I've watched. Disappointing, surely a ground up sports car platform would have dual wishbones? Oh wait I forgot the three series uses this exact setup, must be a coincidence.
Worth noting Porsche non GT cars also don't have dual wishones. To me that's disappointing as I thought dual wishbones automatically means better dynamic camber. But you'd hope Porsche and/or BMW/Toyotota know better and not put McPhereson in cause it's cheaper/smaller
Like i said b4 its a lexus lc 500 on the outside with a much nicer front end..need to see it in person
Nice one Dan. Big fan of the new Supra!
Even though I don't really like the way the new Supra looks, I do like this trend of bringing back our beloved 90s Japanese sports car nameplates. Very pleased with the NSX in particular. I wish Honda would give us a new Prelude and/or S2000 (preferably Prelude though)
Man this would be perfect and my next car after an S2000 if these get a manual.
The background music is at some points too loud.
Stand still laddie, stand still!!
Edit to add, I think I still prefer the original supra, not sure about the look of this, just can't get used to it .
Without Supra I wouldn't be master driver!
It is what it is, a sports car, just like original Supra, but faster allround.
i would love a BOV, manual box & a much more expensive but limited lighter chassis version to eliminate certain compromises like thicker door sills for more rigidity but lesser cabin space, better visibility etc, all while maintaining rigidity. considering its a 2 seater, it's not a super light car. i watched the hks video bout them developing their titanium sports muffler for the A90 & the sound is disappointing, it's still a lot of muffling. im guessing they do so as an effort to muff the sound caused by future products like manifold, downpipe, resonator & stuffs. also hoping that aftermarket companies can come up with an aggressive ft-1 inspired front end. lastly, eliminate the artificial engine sound.
I love the BMW Z4 coupe Supra, at its heart lies a straight six of pure German beef, the best car to come out of Japan in recent time. The e86 Z4 M is a keeper for nostalgic drive.
I was with you until you started saying that the brakes couldn't stand up on the track. At the US track event, the journalists here were able to drive 10 laps at a time without issue for 7 hours straight.
Imagine a twin turbo, manual transmission... just imagine 😍
There is more to come. It's designed to be tuned by the aftermarket like the previous generation. They tuned it down so that the aftermarket can tune it up without having to destroy its balanced capabilities.
i think its just like the old supra. you receive its a cool car but if you want to make it great you can do it on your own :)
Why not turn up the music a bit more so we cant hear anything at all
Beautiful car, the no manual geerbox option is puzzling though, depressing even...
"I won't give it grief for having BMW interior bits"
BMW interiors are vastly superior to Toyota interiors and iDrive is the best infotainment system on the market...
Isn't it kinda funny that people are upset that their Toyota looks like a BMW inside? I didn't hear anyone complain when Mazdas looked like Mercedes inside. They said it looked "upscale" and "premium".
Gorgeous car, I wish.....
Good review 👍 would be better with manual gearbox
Manual transmission please!
I hope they make a manual one with over 400 horsepower and a better sounding exhaust, I'll get one then.
Looking forward to the version with the M2 Comp manual drivetrain. Looks great though.
music too loud!
YES PLEASE 100% MANUAL for me in the GRMN model! and open up the vents so they are practical :-)
Lovely in yellow I see why they went this way as opposed to what nissan did with the gtr wanted it more attainable and turn it into more of a sports car as opposed to smacking supercars and there will probably be a faster version as some have dyno the supra and it is running way over quoted figures like 370+ hp and they were sayinf it is a bit restricted up top meaning easy to get to 400+
Dream Car 😩
Yes. Manual please
BWW did alright for itself!
Hell yes, bring us the manual gearbox. I’m not interested without it.
Not a bad review. I'd prefer less loud background music drowning your voice. Your points are quite repetitive when it comes to the handling aspects and at times a little contradictory (when talking about very tight corners). I know how hard it must be to put it all together in a short space of time though. It feels more like an editing issue.
Stop calling the z4 a supra :))
But it is a nice BMW
Zupra.
@@vomErsten good 1
8:55 Why! Why! Why! the front plate? like slapping a bandage on the top lip
Typical BMW dynamics with the mis-matched brakes, I thought they'd remedied that issue on the 'pokey' models?
This (and the new z4) are surely above most other BMWs. Lower centre of gravity, much stiffer. In common is the 50/50 weight distro. You should drive a supra alongside. BMW are good at engines. This engine should be better as it has been through Toyota's quality checks and improved to be more reliable. Could be a bit too smooth an engine though for this car but it's fine. As this car is really a GT car that handles well.
@@andrewnorris5415 '...'BMW are good at engines...'' Hmm? They have a litany of faults on their 'pokey' engines if you wish to look it up...and the brakes? They're well documented as well. This reviewer was being gracious towards the Supra's BMW limitations but he has subtly flagged up his disappointments especially when compared to the launch hype from the manufacturer.
Sounds like the car you really want is an M2 Competition. Maybe if the Supra was cheaper it would be a good option but at this price point I'll have an M2 any day of the week.
I tell you what , and supra has always been that "Tuners car" . Put Intrax 1k2's better pads and fluid with stickier tyres and stage 1 map and im pretty sure you'll have what youre craving . A sharper , tighter , faster car. None of the M range bmws are all that either, but you put some tasty components on them and theres night and day difference in outcome.
This’s a great coupe. Can’t believe all the hate it gets. People are so ungrateful