Dark Souls 3 Lore ► The Corvians of Ariandel
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"When the Dislikes are two, a flame war alighteth."
Setting the painting aflame equals to letting the first flame die. A new painting will be created, as a new world with new flickering embers will be born after the fire fades in the third ending. The old world has to die for a new prosperous one to be born, instead of keeping it on life support "like the fools on the outside".
Lol late as shit reply but I also thought this was quite obvious That the corvian was mocking the outside world letting the age of fire stagnate instead of letting the age of dark manifest naturally, not sure how vaati stumbled here.
That’s what I thought too.
But it’s interesting how freide, an agent of Londor would want the world to stay in rot?
@@lepistanuda An agent of London? 007? ;-D
So kinda like the emperor of mankind on the golden throne
9:48 He didn't create this world Vaati. He repaired it, repainted it. This "Painted world of Ariandel" is the "Painted world of Ariamis". Even Priscilla's tower is still there. The lever, the statue and etc.
Yeah, there are way to many similarities and straight up same buildings for this to be a completely different world.
Professor Cunt I forget where but I remember reading somewhere where it straight up says that Ariandel is the repairer of the painted world, not the original painter.
sundowave maybe the paintress is the daughter of priscilla so she create a new world like the mother wish with the tower and other thing for remember her.
sundowave Well that's quite the dealbreaker then, haha x)
fulminghost I think She's Priscilla's daughter as well. Since you know... The eyes, the scales, pale skin, cross-breed etc.
I think the parallel is quite simpler: the Corvian says they do it right, because burning away the painting allows for a new painting to be created, thus continuing the cycle (painting is created > eventually rots > is burned away > a new painting is created), while the fools on the outside are purposefully stopping the cycle of light and dark from progressing, by forcibly linking the fire to keep the stagnating world of light going, instead of accepting the cycle and letting the world descend into darkness. Essentially, in the Painted World, setting it aflame is what keeps the cycle going. In the outside, however, NOT setting it aflame is what keeps the cycle going.
I noticed something rather odd. In Dk3, there are a few "mob bosses". Bosses that are not one, but multiple foes at the same time. The Abyss Watchers, Deacons of the Deep, Lothric and Lorian, technically the Soul of Cinders and the Curse Rotted Greatwood(You only fight one thing, but there are multiple souls inside it) too. With all of those bosses, you get boss souls. Note the s.
The Curse rotted Greatwood, you can see in it's art the number of souls trapped inside of it. Lothric and Lorian's soul, you can see both of their souls twirling together in the art. You don't get the Watcher's souls, you get the soul of the Blood of the Wolf, the thing that binds all of them together, therefor you get all of their souls. And the Soul of the Lords, it says lords, plural. If you are fighting a mob boss, you either get a boss Souls, or you can clearly see in the soul art that there are multiple souls inside it. Except in the DLC.
After getting the Soul of Friede, in order to get it you need to kill her, as well as Father Ariandel. You fight two bosses at the same time. So why does it not only look like a single soul, you only get Friede's too.
It could be laziness of From's part, but I doubt that. Maybe Friede did a little more to the Father than just "fooling" him and convincing him to bury the flame, like the corvian NPC said.
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Combustible Lemons cool
Doesnt he say something after he "died" ?
Was thinking about that, too. I suspect he's somehow tied to the world he's the "father" of, with his soul and/or his life. Hell, maybe that provides a - well, partial - explanation how Friede managed to convince him about letting the rot take hold rather than giving the world to the flames.
But you can still get father Ariandels Flair for Soul of Friede
sparkly the crow is the father of corvians. his heirs were birthed from discarded prism stones and prisoner's waistcloths.
Do you actually get something for the waistcloth?
King Poise
I just love how Ariandel is the perfect juxtaposition for Lothric itself. Not only because of the obvious themes of flame and cold, but also how their worlds view the cycle of rebirth. Lothric is built upon the idea of straining the Age of Flame to continue, while Ariandel's citizens are knowledgeable of their duty to burn their world away when it begins to rot for the sake of the next world. I really like it.
That Corvian in the house could easily be talking about the fools outside on the street though.
Mihailo Pisanjuk yeah, but probably not.
+David Gould
Used to watch it every night on Toonami.
That's what I thought.
That's the way I understood it in full playing context too... He is pretty much the only sane Corvian there after all
AND WHAT I THOUGHT TOO. :D
Cause they are all hostile to you even though you could be their Saviour.
When the sane corvian says "Not like the fools outside" I guess he means the other covians who got insane and followed Ariandel's opinion blindly. I think he wasn't talking about people outside the painting rather than outside his building!
Maybe that could work
Yeah, I was thinking he meant the Follower Knights.
The line in question is actually superbly written, as it can be interpreted as the dude's outside his house, or those on the outside of the painting. Given that it makes sense in both cases I would say that this wording is deliberate.
Or maybe he was talking about prince lothric as he refused to link the fire
LevelFear the fact he was discussing their world just before though also insinuates he's talking of the world outside
Perhaps in relation to the rot, here is a bit of the description from the Storyteller's Staff:
_"Expel noxious spores from the formless, parasitical things that inhabit the staff."_
There is this big tombstone outside the Church of Yorksha with a red eyed corvian praising it. It's the one single corvian in the whole Boreal Valley. I don't know why everyone forgets this guys, but to me, it's one of the biggest misteries in DSIII.
The Corvians cemented my interpretation that DS3 and this DLC are about making DS3. Miyazaki has already said that this will be the end of the series for a while at least, and because of that any new DS games will likely be very different. This game basically tells us why: there just wasn't enough creative energy to make it a completely unique experience from the others while still making it a Dark Souls game. They were kind of done story wise, so bringing it all back together felt like scraping the barrel for any last scraps to keep that creative fire lit. Hence a story about the world trying desperately to keep itself going, scraping together every last cool thing in it in a desperate attempt to keep it alive.
What's that? You want to stop? MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE! oh shit I didn't like this, MIYAZAKI YOU FIEND!
Put an end to the painting so that a new one may be created. Put an end to this world, to usher in the next. Let the series close, so that new games may prosper.
They could make a game out of the events leading to all of this, seeing the giant war and brutal dragon vs silver knight battles, hell even extermination missions for the pointy hat legions would be interesting to see
@@khrome7183 dude playing as a silver knight or artorias or something would be siiiiiick
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perhaps every world is painted....
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+VaatiVidya have you ever observed that Havel s armor looks like it is made out of dragon scales?Does he fancy dragons and is angry at seath cuz he betrayed them?And he realized that he likes dragons after he fought with Gwen ,then he made the occult to avenge the dragons?
Sunglasses Boy havel slayed dragons, and his weapon is a tooth of a dragon
haves armor is carved out of straight rock (except maybe dark souls 2) along with his shield, the scales look might be coincidence or your eyes playing tricks
Vaati, the corvian in the beginning is talking about how the humans on the outside don't burn down their world. The linking of the fire is actually the opposite of the burning of the painting, as when Gwyn originally linked the fire, he did so as to forcibly continue his world of Gods and worship when it should have ended. This is much like Father Ariandel, who did not burn his painting out of love for it, and through self-sacrifice sustains it. And just like this, both Gwyn and Ariandel both let their world stagnate out of their own self-interest. A good comparison is that the old corvian you showed in the beginning is Kaathe. Both of them, seeing the world as a fabrication, want to end it for the sake of the people to come, rather than let the world slowly die off to the rot/undead curse. The idea is that the world of Dark Souls, as explained in the second iteration of the series, just continuously keeps linking the fire, and that we never really want the world to burn, even if its for the sake of the next world. And just like that, the player never burns the world. It one day will burn, but we leave that to the little painter girl on the top floor of the chapel. The Corvians are a metaphor for the humans, how while some were looking forward to the Age of Dark, the Corvian Knights/ Frampt, the Lothric bloodline, and the human kings of Vendrick's era all chose to link the fire, prolong the curse, and never solve anything. This game is the last Dark Souls game because DS3 let us step outside the cycle, and the Usurpation of the Flame is the beginning of the new world. I'm sorry for the long comment, but at least we know that Miyazaki won't ever tie up that loose end, since a college student can figure it out. And for the record, the Dark Lord ending is not canon.
What always confused me: In the german version of Ds3 (which I play because I'm german) the corvians are referred to as "crow-demons"
From what we've been able to find, the "demon" moniker is just shorthand for "No longer looks like a true human." Most demons in the Dark Souls games are or once were humans, twisted by some kind of magic or another.
I think I have come to a really interesting realization about the abyss. VaatiVidya describes the abyss as Dark that became disturbed. From his in depth description of the abyss, you would think the abyss was some cornered animal willing to attack anyone and everyone it perceived as a threat. However, I don't think that is the case or at least it quickly evolved from that "corned animal" into something else. I say this because everything that has been corrupted or touched by the abyss still retains reason or at least they retain a fair amount of their own will. The Abyss Watchers are starting to be corrupted by the abyss and yet they still retain the desire and will to stop the spread of the abyss. That is why they are killing each other in the first place. Ludex Gundyr was corrupted by the abyss and yet he still tests unkindled. Some of you may say that Gundyr is a test for the unkindled the same way a mindless beast may be a test. However, if Gundyr kills the Player than Gundyr doesn't run off attacking anything he sees. Some of you will say well that's just a gaming mechanic, that Dark Souls wouldn't give you one chance to fight a boss but I would reply that FromSoftware isn't the type of developer to let game mechanics get in the way of story telling. In Friede's Black Flame form she still retains the desire to prevent the paintings from being consumed by fire. And if Friede's Black Flame is what will consume the painting, then it would be fair to say that is Friede's misunderstanding and not because the abyss made her mindless and unreasonable. Karla is described as a “wretched child of the abyss” and yet she teaches the Player important spells. That sounds like the farthest thing from some mad, mindless animal to me. Artorias even makes a pact with the creatures in the abyss which imply some level of reasoning and even cooperation between those inhabiting the abyss. This might be really obvious to everyone, and I might just be lagging behind the rest of the class, but I found it very interesting.
Manus just wanted his pendant back.
*iudex
The abyss is weak to fire. And unlike the normal Gundyr, the abyssal version activates only when you remove the coiled sword, which happens to produce fire. You can argue he is still doing his duty, but the abyss in this game does not discriminate, it attacks other enemies as well. Same goes for the Watchers. As for Karla, she is not infected by the abyss, she is a fragment of the abyss, a personification of it. It's one thing to be poisonous and another to be poisoned.
Dubious Carim
The Abyss is weak to fire?
Well, that's kind of fitting considering its tendency to turn people into beasts.
Vloggerihardlyknowher paragraphs. Learn to form them.
6:57 "Make the tales true.." that quivering, begging voice and then timed with the piano, OMG I could cry. Such powerful words.
Dunno if you covered it, but Sulyvahn has a tie with the painted world. Specifically the sorcery descriptions.
Merk Intosh he sorta did in the first painted world related vid if i remember correctly
Alex G Awesome. i caught it myself a few days ago. Just now thought of it.
The rot could also be an analogy to the curse of the undead. It always arises whenever the flame is about to die, therefore being directly related to the cycle of the linking of the fire, and becoming an undead and going hollow could be seen as a form of "rotting away".
Well the curse happened when the gods linked humanity to the flame in an effort to feed the fire and continue the age of fire. The fire stops consuming humanity once it is satiated with a powerful sacrifice until it grows weak again. So your theory works.
Honestly Vaati when I get a job I'll donate to you, I love your videos so damn much.
"your safe now this will make you a fine home" gets attacked by everything that moves just outside the cave...
The essential reason why I started to watch your videos is because of your voice. It's so unique and overwhelming :) Keep up the great work ;)
"Make the tales true
and burn this rot away
My lady must see flame
And you have only to show her"
Dude, this is straight up poetry. The writing in Ariandel stands head and shoulders above the rest of the series, even Bloodborne, which had good but some wonky writing and delivery. The writing and delivery of all the lines in Ariandel are read just like prose poetry. It's seriously beautiful dialogue.
"Quick! Go along, find one for yourself.
A sweetly rotting bed to lie upon..."
This is seriously gorgeous.
Nah the wonky stuff in Bloodborne was because of the Old Blood making people into Frank Miller.
" why my pp hard" - God
Yup, sweetly rotting poetry indeed.
I actually think that the Corvian says that they do it right, as apposed to "the outside world," because we're not doing the same thing. I see it that, when they burn their world, they accept that all things must end instead of prolonging the inevitable. The outside world DOES prolong the inevitable when the fire is linked. That's kind of why I consider the (literal) dark ending where you don't kill the Fire Keeper to be the best ending. Maybe at least on par with the Lord of Hollows ending.
Yeah, but you still are within the cycle. Just like the painting, you just are gonna put off any real decisions for the world. The fire will return, you'll live in that world for a while, then trash it again so that you can make a new world. Rather than the cycle of linking the fire, you're in the cycle of life-death-rebirth. Different cycle, same concept, and nothing will change.
By, "Unlike those fools on the outside," they might just mean how Prince Lothric refused to kindle the flame.
"Oh wonderous ash, grant us ou... EYYYES!
That Scythe pull move... Gehrman!
I don't think "it's what we do right, unlike those fools on the outside" is linked to anything other than the plot of DS3 The lords have left their throne and refused to link the flame, in this setting, they are the fools, that don't set the world afire (in DS1 linking the fire start burning you, and then the whole place starts burning, as if the world itself burns).
I really don't think so. The whole "linking the flame" thing didn't come naturally. What would've happened if nature set its course is the flame fading and the age of dark settling. Gwyn rekindled the flame with his soul preventing that from happening, much like Ariandel used blood to prevent his world from setting afire.
mohamed youssef well, that's the thing - burning the painting is not natural - letting it rot out is. Just like age of dark is natural (but it is in human nature to fight the unavoidable), and the rekindling is in natural, as is setting fire to the painted world.
The problem with Vaati is his VERY big bias of AGE OF DARK IS GOOD AND I'LL PULL FACTS OUT OF MY ASS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT.
Kevin Boudard Well that's the thing with the ending of ashes of Ariandel, the fire starts consuming the painting, after you beat the last boss, the girl of the painting says so, and the corvian too but you don't really see it.
The painting wasn't burning before.
Twilight Kartman But burning the painted world IS natural. The only reason it didn't burn on its own is because Ariandel stopped it. The rotting never would've happened if Ariandel didn't appease the flame with blood. If burning the world isn't natural, Ariandel wouldn't have had to even interfere. But he did, as it's said in the rose of ariandel description "A flail used by the bulbous Father of the Painted World to shred his own skin, producing blood to appease the flame."
Also, Good or not, the Age of dark is meant to come.
this channel itself reminds me of listening to stories as a child. there is a strong imagination and visualization along with the amazingly made narrative. it makes the lore of bloodsouls feel real and relatable. amazing work and talent
or rotting could be like the stagnation that happens when we keep linking the flame and not let the dark wash away the world
"When the world rots we plant it into the garden to make the other plants grow heathly." - gwan
I think corvian meant the corvians outside the hut who went crazy
awesome spot+interpretation with the quotation marks around ariandel's dialogue
The corvian that talked of "fools on the outside" could meant different things.
First of all he says those things while inside a warm house, maybe he meant corvians outside the house, the ones that lost it and now just wait for anything to happen at all.
Two: you mentioned how Lothric kingdom was all about linking the fire. But have you forgotten? They failed their duty. Prince Lothric, the nihilistic teenager, refused to link the fire tus why Dark Souls 3 is happening at all. He just couldn't be bothered, for one reason or another. So the world outside was rotting already.
I mean - nor Gael or this Corvian in any way criticize us and our duty fully knowing who we are what we must do. They want us to do the exact same thing we do outside - burn it and let new one take its place.
Bonus thing i noticed while replaying the DLC: have you guys looked at the paintings around Friede in the chapel? There are dozens of them.
Those are ALL painting of her, sitting in her chair in different poses (some repeat themselves).
Perhaps painted by Ariandel himself. So he was either obsessed by her, or they were so bored that this was the only thing to do.
One thing though - one of the paintings is slightly disturbing: on it Freide has no face, instead its covered by a literal burning flame.
Was it a thing that happened? Was it Ariandel's hallucination? Or perhaps his worst nightmare?
Perhaps he knew that she was one of the two outsiders needed to set the painted world aflame.
0:39 i think it moreso represents snuffing the fire, as it gives way to the next era
I think he just meant the Corvians OUTSIDE in the cold, not the people outside of Ariandel. But what I know.
much0J but thats so much less interesting
much0J Sounds like it makes more sense though. From my understanding. Still leave it to speculate, there's nothing confirming or denying thata Vaati's opinion or this opinion could be true or false.
Order of the Pancake shield Not for me :)
ITS DAT BOI Well, Corvians rot OUTSIDE, they have to look for a place to rot on, so I think those wanting the flame will stay inside where it's warm. My thought.
you don't typically say "on the outside" when referring to someone directly outside your house. I think the first use could be either, but the second time he says it he definitely means outside the painted world. It's how Dark Souls does a lot of it's dialogue, by making something sound like something else, then twisting it's meaning when it's repeated to reveal the truthful meaning behind it.
@VaatiVidya Since this video speaks much of parallels I would like to mention a connection that you frequently allude to but never explicitly state...
The Painted World mirrors the world of Dark Souls, but I also believe that the work of Dark Souls mirrors the real world that we all live in.
These games and the time you spend unraveling them... this community and your channel... all of it... has helped so much in my life. More so than I could ever possibly describe or explain.
Thank you so much. For everything.
i always thought it was a real simple thing, "the fools on the outside" cling to their reality and try extend the flame indefinitely in order to hold tight to their world. those in the painting let it all burn once the cycle changes and the end approaches. they understand they can't fight fate and so they paint the new world for those to come, and accept their end.
I absolutely love the bonfire animation at the end of the video. It's just such a perfect climax to each of your videos.
Vaati, have you heard the theory about the hollows who are "infected" with the pus of man and are present on the high wall of lothric because they were being reared in to dragons
Can I just say how much I love the extra animations given to Aria? Like how she excitedly swings her feet, or when she raises her hands towards her canvas?
Taking a little break from fighting Gwyn in Og DS. And a new vaatividya just for my break. Thanks m8
People has been talking on Reddit about what the old corvian says and one guy came to the conclusion that that dialogue may be referred to From itself. How they set afire his game to end the story properly instead the "fools" like CoD or Assasin's Creed that keep doing the same thing again and again. What do you think lads?
Makes sense but I don't think they would have let him put that in the game haha. Unless he tricked the hell out of them
I think that's just a very general sentiment about letting things move on instead of languishing in the past. The whole thing about either dying as a hero or living long enough to become the villain comes to mind.
I think if so it's more just a parallel meaning. Using the game to be symbolic.
Pretty cool idea. That being said, I still want Bloodborne 2
Maybe.
Interesting video, sir Vaati. The history and mistery surrounding the corvians has fascinated me since I saw the trailers and it's nice to see you dedicate a video tot alk about'em :)
One question I have for you: Will you make a video about the Firekeepers? Based on what we see in DS3 their role and goals have changed compared on what we saw in DS1. Plus we have a lot of info (item descriptions, 2 characters, the tower of dead firekeepers) about'em.
Hurry up and release the next one already!
Kenny Smith!!
i haven't played it yet, but the fact that there already Vaati videos makes me so happy. now i won't despair if i don't understand shit of the lore. Thanks buddy
I always saw linking of fire and usurping the fire as mirror images of each other. one may be of fire and the other of dark...but both are just about prolonging the current world. In linking the fire you fill the world with the brilliance of life that comes with fire. In usurping the fire you replace all with the darkness of death. In either case the order of the world is maintained. That is why I favor letting the flame fade. The current world fades with the flame...and as our fire keeper tells us one day flame will be born anew. A true cycle of rebirth.
I interpret the Usurpation of Fire ending as embracing the true nature of humanity, being in a hollow state, and the world returning to the way things were during the grey age of dragons. Ever notice how grey and bland the colour scheme of Lothric is, especially as you get closer to the end? That dragons have returned? That corpses are growing into trees?
If you remember, in Dark Souls 1 it is stated that the true nature of humanity is being hollow, and it was only the Dark Soul that granted them a new form. But in the UoF ending, you embrace being hollow and become the Lord of Hollows. I think the real canon ending of the Dark Souls series is that through the UoF ending, you finally break the cycle of fire and dark, and the world returns to grey.
It could also be that DS3 actually takes place before DS1 and tells the story of how the world turned to be grey and unchanging, with dragons and their arch trees everywhere, and that not only is there the cycle of fire and dark, but also a cycle by which the world returns from the chaos of fire/dark to the order of the unchanging grey world.
Um, we get the knowledge that being hollow is our "true" state from Kathe. But every serpent has an agenda. It certainly fits his that we embrace dark entirely. So I find the assertion that the true face of man is the hollow to be dubious at best. My view is that both faces are the true face of man. That man, like the cycle, can be light or dark. That maybe that is what scared the gods so much about man. Men did not need gods at all. Whatever happened men would go on relentlessly. A world full of light and life? Suberb! The numbers of men would swell. A world full of darkness and death? Excellent! Men would plod on without missing a beat. The old world ends? Men would be there to repopulate the new one.
Jacob Freeman We can also deign that being hollow is the default state of man from the opening cutscene of DS1, where it shows the hollows surrounding the First Flame. Of course, this is a visual representation of an allegory being told by a narrator, who may or may not have complete information, so, to your point, that information does still remain at best dubious.
Still, I really enjoy the interpretation that DS3 is actually the breaking of the light/dark cycle, and the world returning to a grey age instead. I do believe to an extent that the state of Man during the grey age mentioned in DS1 was hollow by default, but you could also be completely right, that there is really no default state, and that mankind itself is in a constant state of flux, cycling through stages.
But this is also what makes the "story" of Dark Souls so interesting, that there is simultaneously so much lore and information to draw from that it gives so many exciting ideas to work with, but enough is withheld that so many different interpretations of the world can be made.
Ever TM Actually...I have begun to wonder if the Age of Ancients truly was the beginning of the world...or just the beginning of that one. We can draw from the fact that that there is supposed to be a never ending cycle of world's being born,living and then dying with the flame that it could be this was far from the first...and that man has always been there along side these worlds. They just go to sleep, of a sorts, in the times in between flame. Dragons, as living but not craft the world. Men, who can live in death, await when the new world rises so they fill it. And other beings come and go as the flame flares, burns and then sputters out. Until one such decided to usurp the cycle and prolong flame. Suppose it is almost poetic in that case if men decide to take that achievement and prolong the world under dark.
makes sense that setting the painting on fire is the same as letting the flame on the outside fade. letting the cycle flow. this sort of explains why there is a painting, a safe have, for the forlorn to escape to, in which they do the opposite of the outside as a measure to create balance. but even the forlorn made the same sin as the first one.
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Theirs the curse ROTTED greatwood which looks like the branches in the boss arena and the greatwood is close to the road of sacrifices where the corvians are
im pretty certain when the crow man says 'im afraid of timidly rotting like those fools on the outside' , hes not speaking of those outside the painting, but rather those literally outside , both of the home he is in, and outside the walls of the city. the ones laying , rotting away
Yeah I always interpreted it that way too
The Coronavirusians of Ariandel.
The music you've chosen here is really good
What's the song in the beginning Vaati???
I really wish he'd tell us.
It's called Deserted 3 by Johannes Börnlof. I've spent about 2 years searching and found it today
@@nono9543 deserted 3 by Johannes Börnlof
@@NorthernFrost96 Thank You Jesus! It's been too long!
Nine Exotic OMG THANK YOU
On the note of the parallells at the beginning. Maybe the corvian knows about the lords outside, fleeing their thrones, not wanting to be part of the linking anymore.
When corvian said "those fools on the outside" I personally thought he meant like literally outside of the small home kitchen he lived in. Some of the corvian have accepted the fact that their world is rotting, but he (the one inside) was smarter, and wanted things to be nice and to have a world of flame rather than darkness.
Vaati lore on Edvard emberpants plizzz!!!
RudeAndObscene k
Why waste a perfect opportunity for deep characters such as Sulyvahn for a gag character? I hope he doesn't, it'll be cringey af just like the actual character.
***** He didn't do a video dedicated to Sulyvahn so nope. Sulyvahn is pretty much the center of everything in DS3, so why waste time with something he can do once everything else is out of the way? Especially something as cringey as Edwad.
RudeAndObscene oh snap. I guess the fact that you have rude in your name is not a quincedence.
***** Damn you're sensitive as hell over an unpopular opinion, huh? Hit a nerve or something? With Obscene as your TH-cam name, irony?
The reason the Corvian guy mentions the whole "Unlike those fools on the outside." line is because of the fact that Prince Lothric never linked the flame like he was supposed to.
I really love his videos. I am abit anoyed because this is the third time he didn't list me under flame-god patrons, when I am pledging him in that tier...
I love this channel so much. I see vaati getting much further than most TH-camrs even if dark souls content itself starts to run thin
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I strongly feel that Friede in fact fooled Ariandel into choosing the rot and the description "Together" is just what Ariandel believed. His dialogue kinda hints that he is fact quite desperate and asks Friede why is she ignoring him while he's locked down under the chapel asking for his flail so he could satisfy the fire (which he choose not to do??).
What if "those fools on the outside" are us, out here in reality?
***** Seems like I'm officially one of those "dangerous philosophers" now aren't I? :-p
Seriously though, restart the video and think about what Vaati himself is saying in terms of what I just said.
*start preparing sacrifices for a nameless god*
Lucas Lemos Praise Kek!
Seriously though, I think I have a semi-legitimate argument in the proposition that Miyazaki was trying to show us how to interpret the message of the base game through this expansion, and its inhabitants' perception of the outside in relation to themselves.
What do people think about that idea?
It makes a lot of sense sir. The same way the painting is inside that dark souls world, dark souls' world is inside ours. Damn inception
"Both worlds have this tradition of setting themselves aflame" but what kind of fire? Real fire - a chemical reaction between a volatile substance with oxygen (mimic flame) or old flame? #nextlevelstrats #CurtainLore
what i find most interesting is that in the outside the fire needs to be fueled so it can and in the paint it has to be suppressed or it will burn. in one it take effort to bring the flame in the other it takes effort to hold it at bay.
I love your videos, are you going to make new Bloodborne Lore videos ?
dude you blew my mind again. -love ya Vaati
The theme at the start is so cool does anyone know the name
there is the descritpion for that that vaati whill add
Yeah he's used it for a few bits of the AoA lore vids and I've been really curious.
Deserted 3 by Johannes Börnlof
@@LunamrathP 2 years late, but it took me two years of searching. Its called deserted 3 by Johannes Börnlof
Great video, as usual, but I wanted to take the mic to praise you FUCKING AWESOME FASHION SOULS. That Solaire+Nameless King thing not only works on a funny lore/fanservice aspect, but it also looks so awesome it makes me feel ashamed of everything I ever wore T____T
Another great video. But sometimes Vaati gets so deep into the levels of lore that I wonder whether Miyazaki actually intended all of it to be there, or if they just made a world with cool shit in it that sort of aligns, and waited to see how the community pieced it together.
He says that the linking of the fire is like letting the painting rot, they aren't starting the next cycle
Gotta say lovin the consistant uploads man
the interpretation that the parallel is with the linking of the flame makes total sense though. Especially considering the entire premise of the game revolves around the fact that the Lords of Cinder are deliberately refraining from linking it. The line "unlike those fools on the outside" can make sense in that particular interpretation if we assume the corvian is talking about the Lords of Cinder, Lothric and Lorian, or both camps.
Overwatch was game of the year....So sad..
Indeed, it's disgusting that that game won GOTY.
aypierre whats wrong with overwatch? DS3 wasnt a perfect game either.
Justin Velo you think that overwatch deserved to be game of the year....when you got ds3...Witcher 3 come on now
Absolution The reason its game of the year is because its a fps almost 'esport' game with tons of tech and teamwork oriented play. While dark souls is limited to only a few players that does not have much tech. First off, each attack button only has 2 moves. Strong and normal. Weapon art as well but theres no variation. Spells are boring and their is no replay value except to pvp which is very small.
Dragon Quest No, Overwatch should never have gotten a GOTY. And yes DS3 is not a perfect game but it does have more content than Overwatch, it is better made than Overwatch. Overwatch is a shell of a game that Blizzard shat out just so they could get in on the money of the growing esports scene. It is not "almost" an esports game. It's an esports game. I'm not saying DS3 should have won, or even been nominated, but imo there were better games in that category than fucking Overwatch. It's a disgrace.
Waking up to a new Lore video literally makes my day. Vaati you are just awesome!!
So either Vaati is a Game of Thrones fan, or him calling the painter "Arya/Aria" is a complete coincidence
He calls her Aria because of the recurring "Aria-xx" names of people who have painted a world. Ariamis, Ariandel etc, so it would make sense for her to also be named something with "Aria".
aypierre I know but it just seems like too much of a coincidence that he would choose Aria. But I guess that would be one of the first "Ari..." names that one could think of
Alberto Ocada Ariamis and Ariandel both start with Aria, so it is a coincidence.
aria or arya is an actual name so...
"unlike the fools from the outside" the salt just that right.
people has foot fetish for Aria..
Miyazaki himself has one apparently (specifically re: priscilla in ds1 so that's not to shocking.
Dark Souls Lores of Vaati literally mean Bedtime stories for me
please go back to bloodborne!
Mad Salt Theres no new content for bloodborne though. I wish their was but not enough things to go on from to make lore videos. Ds3 is newer so Vaat will have to keep up with the updates.
Great video Vaati! I was so happy for the stream tonight 😌😌
Uh, at the start when he said "unlike those fools outside", I figured he literally meant just outside his door, and was referring to the Corvian knights that betrayed their kind in favor of Friede
The difference is that linking the fire keeps the world from ending, whereas burning down the painting replaces the current world with a new one.
At 2:16 , the 'fools of the outside' is refering to the other Corvians. The way he says that feels like he's really hurt, the fools were his own kind, now rot and mindless.
i think the corvian saying "unlike those fools on the outside" is referring to how to lords of cinder are refusing to rekindle the first flame and try to persuade you to not carry on the tradition, to usurp the fire
vaati, thanks for making my morning! I cant wait to see more of this world. havent gotten into the world yet, but soon!
Those giant flies in that one pit makes me wish there was a giant carcass hanging on hooks as a sort of boss fight you have to go up in tiers to chop parts of it off to kill it, like a 3-D version of the Beelzebub fight in Castlevania Symphony of the Night!
I think burning the painting and creating a new one is the equivalent of letting the first flame die out and wait for a new flame to come into existance (that's what the Firekeeper sees in her vision), and keeping the rot in the painting is more like artificially keeping the flame alive by sacrificing strong souls.
+VaatiVidya I would argue with "those fools outside" the corvian means the Lords of Cinder, who have refused their duty to relight the flame. Also, the flame is very near to fading meaning that some Chosen Undead have refused or given up their quest too.
I think what the Corvian is referring to when he refers to "unlike the fools on the outside." Isn't a direct parallel to the action itself, but rather the intent. Much like the first time the flame was re-linked by the lord of sunlight. The purpose of relighting the flame was an attempt to preserve your power and control. While setting fire to the painting means relinquishing those things. Letting yourself give up your rotting home so that a new one can be born.
Your voice officially hit the number 1 spot on my list
It's even smoother than Morgan Freeman's
Hey Vaati, I haven't seen it mentioned and it's been on my mind since the DLC release: one of the biggest lore implications for me was the inference that Sulyvahn is himself a Corvian. And my apologies if people have assumed this since the base game or I missed some reddit thread, but even if it was super obvious this connection is significant for a few reasons. First, what we know about the Corvian knights and their fanatical devotion to Friede could be applied to Sulyvahn as well. This would mean that all of the things we know he's responsible for (sending Vordt to guard the wall, sending the Dancer out, imprisoning the Gods to feed Aldrich) could also be seen as actions taken by the church of Londor, making them the first villainous organization in Dark Souls that purposely makes an effort to obstruct the player character (and giving a little momentum to the theory that Velka has been pulling some strings), even if they weren't scheming against your specific Ashen One that comes along. A foil to this theory is that Friede parted ways with the church, but perhaps this allegiance was made before she left them. It also means that the Corvians meant as sacrifices for Aldrich weren't taken from the painting/their original homeland at random, Sulyvahn offered up his own kind willingly, and they were likely the Corvians terrorized by their knights who did not agree. Anyway, to prevent this from becoming even more of a wall of text I'll leave it at that. I enjoyed the video as always and it seemed like a good place to post this theory, I'm curious what your thoughts are!
One video closer to the Edwad lore video
Saw it this morning already, great content as always! I'm excited to see what a painting made with the dark soul looks like. btw Vaati I started playing Hearthstone again because of you!
I thought "those fools on the outside" were literally the corvians wondering around outside the house. He doesn't come out of the house until you set the painting in motion.
One thing that I want to know is, is the little piece that Gael had everything that was left of the painting or is the original still somewhere? Maybe in londor?
Vaati, I think the parallels that you conclude are spot on. Otherwise, why else would Yuria say something to the effect that Friede has lost her way if in fact Friede was trying to preserve the darkness in the painted world. It makes sense for rot to equal the perpetual cycle. Great video man, I never considered that.